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Speaker 1: Oh it's out and Away week. Hey, welcome to a

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Speaker 1: championship edition of the No Breaks Podcast, a Formula one

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Speaker 1: call joining the podcast. Today. We got a spicy one

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Speaker 1: grade and I'm your host, Trey Kirby. We got JD

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Speaker 1: on the phone with Michael Massey trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: what happened to Nabu Dhabi. And of course we've got

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Speaker 1: our local F one expert, Great and Gordian who's been

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Speaker 1: searching through the entire Formula one rule book this morning

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out if the right calls were made

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Speaker 1: in Nabu Dhabi. Great and great to be talking to

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Speaker 1: you this morning, buddy.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've no words for what we've just witnessed,

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Speaker 2: but this is a podcast, so I guess we'll have

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Speaker 2: to find some. Just an incredible ending. I think we'll

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Speaker 2: discuss whether it was a fair or just ending, but

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Speaker 2: an incredible one to an incredible season. Somebody I saw

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Speaker 2: somebody on Twitter saying that it felt like it was,

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Speaker 2: you know, a bad ending, But I actually feel like

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Speaker 2: it was incredibly fitting. Giving the insanity and the drama

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Speaker 2: and the mania that has just been wall to wall

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Speaker 2: this year, it feels like this was right on par

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Speaker 2: with everything else, so unlike anything we've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it shouldn't have come down to the very very

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Speaker 1: at one hundred percent did. And like you're saying, graydon

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Speaker 1: you say, I don't have words for what happened. I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of notes for what happened. But we

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Speaker 1: had to throw him out at about lap fifty three.

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's when Nicholas Latifi went out,

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Speaker 1: oh baby, and that's when the safety car came out.

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Speaker 1: Safety car is the safety car taking home driver of

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Speaker 1: the day today. We shall see. Uh, let's just hop

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Speaker 1: They're in the middle of the safety car right now.

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Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton is in P one, Max Verstappen is in

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Speaker 1: P two. After Latifi crashes, Verstappen pitts for fresh soft tires.

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Speaker 1: Hamilton stays out and you could hear him he was

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Speaker 1: Typical decision. His engineer says, class like a recording a

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Speaker 1: No Dunks podcast. But wait, there's more. Lap fifty seven. Wait,

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Speaker 1: we are racing. Let those cars through, or at least

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Speaker 1: race basically between for Stappin and Hamilton for the championship.

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Speaker 1: For Stappen eventually takes it. Graydon breakdown of the things

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Speaker 2: This is an incredibly wild and peculiar ending. Obviously, I

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Speaker 2: think that you know, Massy and everybody involved did not

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Speaker 2: didn't want to end the season under safety card. That's

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Speaker 2: you know, does not feel like this. You know the fitting,

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Speaker 2: that being said that, they find themselves an incredibly peculiar spot,

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Speaker 2: because if you let everyone unlap themselves, you're risking that

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Speaker 2: They were right there on the edge. And what is

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Speaker 2: an incredibly peculiar move They only let five cars on

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Speaker 2: you get why they did this, those were the only

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Speaker 2: it's it's completely unclear why they did that because that

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Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, I don't know the rules well enough. But

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Speaker 2: Massi's response to Total with Michael Massey, race director who

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Speaker 2: So it so, and they didn't want that. They wanted

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Speaker 1: Oh Man, Nicholas Latifi's going to be getting a gift

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Speaker 1: don't know, Graydon, It felt completely nonsensical to me the

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Speaker 1: But I mean, it's not really his call, or was it.

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Speaker 2: I I don't know what else you could have done here.

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Speaker 1: They should do. It period, Why I have to drive

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Speaker 2: we let's preserve the lapse. Now it allows everybody to

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Speaker 2: It totally negates that the Hamilton time advantage, but that

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Speaker 2: of failed to garner So.

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Speaker 1: Why is that Why has he failed to garner the

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Speaker 1: same respect? Is it just because he's the new guy?

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Speaker 1: Is it because he's Sassy Massy?

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Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of a new guy thing.

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Speaker 2: I also think that you know, Whiting, who I did

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Speaker 2: have a lot of respect for, you know, but he

439
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Speaker 2: did have the pleasure of largely overseeing a bunch of

440
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Speaker 2: years in which nothing quite like this ever happened. I mean,

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Speaker 2: in Massy's defense, these are incredibly tough moments to arbitrate

442
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Speaker 2: and incredibly high stakes decisions he's making on the fly.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's, you know, he's just in a place

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Speaker 2: where I think, no matter what he does, some camp

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Speaker 2: is going to be very unhappy. Right, So there is

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Speaker 2: no decision that saves him from criticism here, I would argue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. But it's also a problem

448
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Speaker 1: when an official becomes one of the three main characters

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Speaker 1: in a championship race, right, Like, I mean yeah, but

450
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Speaker 1: also like, what's he supposed to do. He's supposed toss

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Speaker 1: it up to the higher ups and be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we'll let the stewards figure it out. Because if he

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Speaker 1: does that, it's like, why didn't you make the call?

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Speaker 1: You know, if you go back and watch the first

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Speaker 1: twenty five laps this race, you're thinking, oh, this thing

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Speaker 1: is rigged for Mercedes with the calls that Michael Massey's making.

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Speaker 1: Even Verstappen and his engineers were like classic decision screwing

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Speaker 1: us here right at the end. Oh wait, actually maybe

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Speaker 1: never never mind. So yeah, I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: do you do you usually hear this much back and forth?

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Speaker 1: Is that part of it too? We're getting more access?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you do. I mean there is always

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Speaker 2: a lot of complaining. There's always a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: you know, mouthing off to the race director complaining about decisions.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's fairly common. I just think in this

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Speaker 2: instance that the stakes are so high and this is

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Speaker 2: you know, was truly decided by the championship was decided

468
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Speaker 2: by mere meters in the end. You know, it's you know,

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Speaker 2: so I think people just have a you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it's I don't think. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: we're seeing an abnormal amount of complaining. It's just the

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Speaker 2: complaint so maybe abnormally intense, or they're just a high stakes.

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Speaker 2: They're just regarding things that are incredibly high stakes versus

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Speaker 2: I'm whining about something that happened between cars eight and

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Speaker 2: nine when they got pushed off the track or something

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Speaker 2: like that, which is also happening, but we're just not

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Speaker 2: hearing on the shoot because it's it's not nearly as

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Speaker 2: much interest to us.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you agree with this take, Graydon,

480
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Speaker 1: but it made me laugh. Michael Massey equals Scott Foster,

481
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Speaker 1: says DJ in the Slipstream team, and it makes me

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Speaker 1: think maybe the NBA should take a page from the

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Speaker 1: Formula one playbook and give us the back and forth

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Speaker 1: between coaches and referees. That would be hilarious to hear.

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Speaker 1: But man, honestly, like Joey Crawford would be proud to

486
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Speaker 1: see her an official that involved with the decisions of

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Speaker 1: a game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I mean, I think your point that

489
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Speaker 2: you never want the referee to be the main character

490
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Speaker 2: in the NBA is a great comparison. You really don't

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Speaker 2: want the race director to be such a you know,

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Speaker 2: the subject of so much discussion and debate as he

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Speaker 2: has been over the last several races. Is it something

494
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Speaker 2: he could have avoided? I don't know. The answer is

495
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Speaker 2: probably not. You know, somebody you know in the comments

496
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Speaker 2: here just said it, damned if you do, damned if

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Speaker 2: you don't. I think that's that's about right. But but

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Speaker 2: it is should this is you know, he is, you know,

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Speaker 2: a centerpiece of this season in a way that you know,

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Speaker 2: ideally the race director is not. So that's a shame.

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Speaker 1: Maybe hopefully we get some massy uh interviews on Drive

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Speaker 1: to Survive this next season. We'd love to hear more

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Speaker 1: from Michael Massey. We did hear from some of the

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Speaker 1: drivers afterwards. George Russell hopped on Twitter. Feels like as

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Speaker 1: soon as he got out of his car, this is unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: Max is an absolutely fantastic driver who has had an

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Speaker 1: incredible season, and I have nothing but huge respect for him.

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Speaker 1: But what I just happened is absolutely unacceptable. I cannot

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Speaker 1: believe what we've just seen. That's spicy talk. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who is going to be a

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Speaker 1: Mercedes driver next season, but he.

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Speaker 2: Knows where his bread is buttered exactly exactly right.

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Speaker 1: I imagine we'll hear some more coming out over the

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Speaker 1: next couple of days and it will be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what actually comes of this protest. But we're going

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Speaker 1: to take our first break here. When we come back,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about the other fifty three laps of the

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Speaker 1: race and the other eighteen cars which were out there

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Speaker 1: I should say seventeen cars stick around. We'll talk more

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Speaker 1: after the break. Welcome back to No Breaks if you're

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Speaker 1: just now joining us live. Max Versteppin won the Abbi

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Speaker 1: Dabi Grand Prix and became the first Dutch Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: World Champion, Formula One World champion, his first world championship

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Speaker 1: in a dramatic finish that Mercedes is protesting Graydon against

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Speaker 1: the classification established at the end of the competition relating

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Speaker 1: to alleged breaches of articles forty eight point eight and

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Speaker 1: forty eight point one two two of my personal favorite

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Speaker 1: ARTICLESFIA sporting regulations. Yeah, I like to go deep into

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Speaker 1: the forty eights personally, you know how forty.

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Speaker 2: Eight and some uh on Twitter it was it was

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Speaker 2: Hazel Southwell, who writes for the Drive and Racing Fans

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Speaker 2: dot Net. You know an interesting point just now that

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Speaker 2: they could even choose to take action here and nullify

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Speaker 2: the race result, saying that the race director failed to

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Speaker 2: follow the regulations and that disadvantaged them. But if they

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Speaker 2: nullified the race result, Max is still the world champion, So.

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Speaker 1: It's even with the poisters.

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Speaker 2: They kind of could. The only thing that would really

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Speaker 2: change it is if they decided to reset the standings

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Speaker 2: to lap fifty seven and then say and that's the

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Speaker 2: end of the race, which I think is incredibly unlikely

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Speaker 2: at this point. So as much as I think.

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Speaker 1: What you don't want to see Lewis Hamilton win a

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Speaker 1: record eighth championship in a court battle.

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Speaker 2: I think, I I it's it would it would feel fit?

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Speaker 2: I guess it would. It would feel fitting.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, totally Graydon once we uh, you got me

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Speaker 1: into Watch and Drive to Survive, I told you my

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Speaker 1: favorite part is when they're talking about the rules and

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Speaker 1: regulations with the Stewards and the Marshalls. That's the most

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Speaker 1: thrilling part of any of the paperwork.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Twitter, some other stuff has been coming across.

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Speaker 1: Joel Embiid as soon as the race was over, tweeted

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Speaker 1: goat stapping along with him, celebrating uh Max's victory. I

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Speaker 1: would say Joel Embiid is the perfect person to be

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Speaker 1: a Max Verstappen fan.

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Speaker 2: If I'm being quite honestly, that feels right.

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Speaker 1: And it's two perfect surprised to be stuff there right,

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Speaker 1: a serious heel action there, like whatever twists the knife,

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Speaker 1: I feel like Joelle is going to go for it

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Speaker 1: and oh totally and like, I mean that guy is

563
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Speaker 1: great at grifting his way to free throws in the

564
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Speaker 1: NBA with his pump fakes and his physicality, so I

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Speaker 1: think that is a perfect mix. He also said, Latifi,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're safe, but you deserve a raise. Great

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Speaker 1: race for lich there on the Red Bull squad. I'm

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Speaker 1: also seeing here in the slipstream Team Graydon people are

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Speaker 1: debating whether Toto Wolf is more of a Tom Thibodeaux

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Speaker 1: or more of a Greg Popovitch. What's your take?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Wow, wow wow, I don't see him as a

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Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau. I he's I think is Tona wins a

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Speaker 2: lot not you know, but I think that I mean,

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Speaker 2: Greg Papovich is an interesting comparison. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: intensity there, there's a lot of intellect, there's like long

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Speaker 2: standing you know, you know, management of a championship organization.

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Speaker 2: He feels to me, maybe almost you know, just a

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Speaker 2: cross sports over a bit, maybe more like a Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick and nobody likes its kind of like a little

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Speaker 2: bit like you know, Bill Belichick and his like kind

581
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Speaker 2: of like cut sleeve hobo football coach look, isn't you know?

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Speaker 2: He probably doesn't have the you know, the buttoned up

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Speaker 2: your style of a Toto. But you know, the Patriots

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Speaker 2: to me are probably the best American sports comparison for

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Speaker 2: what Mercedes does. And this feels like a Patriots Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl loss kind of right, like something he didn't see coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly right, exactly right. And for a while

588
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Speaker 1: there it felt like a Patriots Super Bowl win. In particular,

589
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Speaker 1: the Patriots beat in the Atlanta Falcons after being down

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Speaker 1: twenty eight to three. This could have easily been another

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Speaker 1: Mercedes title. Great and let's get into what happened in

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Speaker 1: the first fifty three laps of this race, because there

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Speaker 1: was drama from lap one Lewis Hamilton starting a second

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Speaker 1: behind Max Hamilton Hamilton or Max Hamilton Max Verstoppin who

595
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Speaker 1: is in p one on pole with UH with a

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Speaker 1: soft tire after flat spotting a tire and qualifying. What

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Speaker 1: is flat spotting me.

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Speaker 2: It means he just locks it up and he's like

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Speaker 2: and it's basically he's he's like rubbed off a piece

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Speaker 2: of the tire on a specific spot, so it's not

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Speaker 2: getting like consistent traction. It kind of like, is what

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Speaker 2: it sounds like. There's like a spot where you kind

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Speaker 2: of tattened out, rubbed it down and that and that's

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Speaker 2: going to cause vibrations. It's gonna cause the tire to

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Speaker 2: not stick as well. It's gonna it can those vibrations

606
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Speaker 2: you can get from flat spot and can mess up suspension.

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Speaker 2: They can you know, have all sorts of issues over

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Speaker 2: the course of a race, and it just meant that

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Speaker 2: there was no way for him to realistically start on

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Speaker 2: that tire at that point, which for them was incredibly suboptimal.

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Speaker 2: It was not what they wanted to start on. The

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Speaker 2: sauce for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the only good part of it would have been

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Speaker 1: being able to get perhaps a better start than Hamilton

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Speaker 1: and leaving him in the dust off the jump. But

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Speaker 1: Hamilton gets a great start from P two. Uh gets

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Speaker 1: by Hamilton on the start. It's in the middle of

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Speaker 1: lap one, I think corner seven that Max makes a

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Speaker 1: lunch on Lewis. They nearly touched, They maybe touch. Hamilton

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Speaker 1: takes the escape route and he takes it wide verstopping style,

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Speaker 1: comes out way ahead still in P one. We hear

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Speaker 1: pretty quickly on no investigation necessary because Hamilton's advantage was

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Speaker 1: given back before the end of lap one. Seemed like

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Speaker 1: this was going to be the most dramatic call of

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Speaker 1: the day.

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Speaker 2: And it did confuse me. I get after what occurred

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Speaker 2: in Brazil, the you know, the idea to say, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're just gonna let him race here. You know, they

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Speaker 2: don't touch, and despite the fact that Hamilton does gain

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Speaker 2: a fairly large advantage from going off, you know, Brundle,

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Speaker 2: Martin Brundle and a few other people were arguing, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, unlike Brazil, you know, Max kept it entirely

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Speaker 2: on the road and the door was open, which I

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Speaker 2: do agree. I actually don't think it was an inappropriate

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Speaker 2: moment to take a lunch like that. I think that

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Speaker 2: was just good hard racing. What it didn't make sense

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Speaker 2: to me was the argument that Max gave back excuse me,

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Speaker 2: that Lewis gave back the advantage and he comes out

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Speaker 2: well up the road from Max. I never saw a

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Speaker 2: point where he backed off and let Max close the gap.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know what they meant by that, and

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00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: Red Bull didn't either. They were unclear on you know,

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Speaker 2: when that had occurred. So, you know, to me, it's

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Speaker 2: it definitely feels like it would have been something where

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now, if they had said, Louis,

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Speaker 2: you have to give the you have to give the

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Speaker 2: place back. I don't think anybody would have been shocked

648
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: by that, including Mercedes. Like so, so it does feel

649
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: a little peculiar the choice they made, but you know,

650
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: it's you know, a few minutes later, it seemed like

651
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: it didn't matter because Lewis was off up the road

652
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: and you know, and it seemed like he was going

653
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: to perhaps even cruise to the title at that moment

654
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: in time.

655
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was more surprising that they didn't

656
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: make Hamilton give the place back, and especially the reasoning

657
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: they gave that he gave the advantage back. I thought

658
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: he got like a twice as big advantage by the

659
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: time all of that was done.

660
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: Agree, So that was.

661
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: Very strange to me. But the explanation and like you're saying,

662
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: and like all of you know, they had a bunch

663
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: of former champions on Rossberg Hill and Button they were

664
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: all basically saying this is good racing, like this is

665
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: hard racing. Even Brundle said at one point used to

666
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: call it motor racing in my day, you know, And

667
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: I think that's what it was. Like. That was a

668
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: great move by Max to take the corner. Hamilton didn't

669
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: have the space, but to me, he didn't give anything

670
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: back there. That was That was a strange call by Massy,

671
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: And it definitely felt like that could have been the

672
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: race because Hamilton then opens up a pretty big lead,

673
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: and like we've been saying, Mercedes seemed to have the

674
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: faster car for most of the day but didn't matter eventually.

675
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I don't know. That was that was

676
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: strange to me. The only thing I can see is

677
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: that if you're looking at the if you're looking at

678
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: all of the calls for the whole day, you would

679
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: at least be able to say that Massi was consistent

680
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: in that he screwed both teams a little bit here,

681
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: and that both incidents he kind of aired on the

682
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: side of let's stay racing here, you know, rather than

683
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: doing some rather than trying to make the calls with

684
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: regards to where everybody's at. But man, weird stuff on

685
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: that one.

686
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: It definitely was, you know, everybody's immediate reaction from Crafty

687
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: and Bundle to Horner and Max and everybody was he's

688
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: going to need to give that place, you know, back.

689
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: So the fact that it didn't at all happen is

690
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: fairly shocked. I mean, it isn't fairly shocking, but it

691
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: you know again, I guess ends up. We'll feel like

692
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: just like a footnote in terms of the controversies of today, you.

693
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I think Kravitz was eventually on the broadcast

694
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: saying that Mercedes argument was that Hamilton the reason he

695
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: went off is because he avoided the collision. Agreed, But

696
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: man like that was the total Verstappen move. Weird stuff. Anyways,

697
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: the next interesting stuff between Mercedes and red Bull starts

698
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: happening on lap twenty and twenty one. An awesome duel

699
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: between check Operez and Lewis Hamilton. Great as far if

700
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: we've thrown out the very last lap and how that

701
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: all came down to the very last couple of seconds.

702
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: This was the coolest moment of the race. Man check

703
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: O playing defense, elbows out him and Hamilton going back

704
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: and forth through a few different corners. Then you eventually

705
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: get that shot of verstopin coming in from behind because

706
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: Checko has held Hamilton off so much. That was exciting, great.

707
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: And incredible racing, an incredible defensive performance from Perez. At

708
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: the time, it looked like, you know, verstappens, you know

709
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: best and truly last hope to get back into this,

710
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: into this title fight, and you know, and and for

711
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: Pees to do all of that on old softs while

712
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: Hamilton's on you know, fresh new tires. Truly spectacular racing.

713
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: I think, you know, hopefully, you know, a symbol of

714
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: Perez's ability to maybe you know, be a little bit

715
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: more in the mix next year now that he's a

716
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: little bit more used to the car, because he can

717
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: do some truly awesome stuff out there. On the track,

718
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: you know when he's locked in. So I thought one

719
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: of the great instances of like team racing, you know,

720
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: in the history of the sport is Perez battling him

721
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: there is slowing up to let him catch him and

722
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: then battling him to let Max close the gap.

723
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was wicked and bought ask just like

724
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: nowhere to be seen in this race. We might have

725
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: gotten thirty seconds of Botas driving. So it was basically

726
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: just Hamilton out there.

727
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: He flamed out from the start. He like loses places

728
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: on the start and then is yeah, never gets back in.

729
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: It just a just a pretty unremarkable final race in

730
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: Mercedes from our boy BELCHERI.

731
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: I'm seeing quite a few people in the Slipstream team

732
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: saying teammate of the year for checkout Perez here. It

733
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: was kind of a rough, rocky season, I would say

734
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: for Perez, you know, maybe he didn't win as many

735
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: races as you would expect him being in a little

736
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: bit better car compared to what he had been driving

737
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: previously in his career. But the way he played holding

738
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: off Hamilton and then the little dr slingshot to sling verse,

739
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: stopping in into P two man that was some special stuff.

740
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: He ended up retiring pretty late in this race, and

741
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: I almost felt like that was them, like like, all right, man,

742
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: take a lap, take a little victory lap here, you know,

743
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: like after somebody off the bench plays an incredible fifteen

744
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: minutes in the third quarter, but it's just gassed at

745
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: the end. That was special stuff from Perez.

746
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little unclear on actually why they they made

747
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: him bring the car in there. It must have been

748
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 2: some mechanical issue that they were concerned about, but you're right,

749
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: his great teammate stuff goes back to before today. Yesterday

750
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: in qualifying, the move they pulled to give him the

751
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: tow and help Max set was what was just an

752
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: absolutely monster qualifying lap, you know, was awesome, you know,

753
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: a brilliant strategic move they absolutely had to nail in

754
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: order to have a chance for today. You know, Max

755
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 2: doesn't really capitalize on it by losing out on the lead,

756
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: you know by the time they're at the first corner.

757
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's yeah, Perez was awesome, and

758
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure they're happy to you know, yeah,

759
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're excited about what they can do together

760
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 2: next year.

761
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: So do you think that Red Bull will man a

762
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: better spot bringing able to be having a little bit

763
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: of continuity with Verstappin and Perez compared to Russell now

764
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: replacing botas there from Mercedes.

765
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's tough to say. You know.

766
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: Patswoboda makes a great point over here in the comments,

767
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: which is that, you know, with the such large changes

768
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: to the regulations in twenty twenty two, I think it's

769
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: really unclear who's going to land. Where we're going to

770
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: see some meaningful movement in the standings. It's just totally

771
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: unclear on where it's going to come from. I think

772
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: there's good reason to suspect that teams like Red Bull

773
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: and Mercedes that have huge strategic advantages in terms of

774
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 2: talent and capital and infrastructure will continue to be right

775
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: near the top of the grid. But there there's you know,

776
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: you always see big movement in the standings every time

777
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: there's a major regulatory change, you know, and so next

778
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: year he is going to be wild in that regard,

779
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: which is super fun. I love it. I love to

780
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: think that you might see somebody, you know, fighting for

781
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: podiums who was totally out of the picture this year.

782
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: So are.

783
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: I guess I'm always a little unsure about how much

784
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: a teammate can actually help in a race, but this one,

785
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: to me was kind of like put a stamp on

786
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: how you can actually use two cars out there to

787
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: your benefit, because it's very strange to look at the

788
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: constructor standings at the end of the season. Mercedes won

789
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: this thing pretty easily from a constructor standings standpoint, because

790
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: Botas finished thirty six points ahead of Paris. Here at

791
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: the end of things, Paraz finishing p. Four on the season,

792
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: Botas P. Three on the season, behind Vers, Stoppin and Hamilton.

793
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: Of course, does Hamilton have a better shot at Botas

794
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: is anywhere near uh near these guys in this race?

795
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: It definitely helps. I think he creates complexity if he

796
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: can put pressure on Max, you know, you know, run

797
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: the risk of you know, affecting Max's pit window. You know,

798
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: even even when Max pitted, you know, he had already

799
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: gained such a lead on Botas that he was you know,

800
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: he came out only behind Signs and you know, maybe Norris.

801
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: I think he came out in front of Leclaire, which

802
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: is that when with Claire kind of went wildly off

803
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: the track for a second there, but that you know,

804
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: so Botos is still behind all those guys. If he

805
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: the Bhotos has the pace to be in front of

806
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: him there and can do a pair as like defensive moment,

807
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: it totally changes, you know, how close he is to Lewis,

808
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: you know, totally covers off on you know, any fears

809
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: that they might have about the power of the undercut,

810
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: things like that. You know, it could have had a

811
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: huge effect, but he just wasn't in the mix right,

812
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: He just wasn't even close to being able to impact it.

813
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, he went swimming right afterwards, which is you know,

814
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: fun for Botas at least. What do you think Mercedes

815
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: is going to do with their Constructors Championship trophy? Is

816
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: that like a doorstop? Maybe give it to Botos on

817
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: his way out, Just yeah, you can have this one

818
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: in your house.

819
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's They've got a lot of them, so

820
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: you might as well just you know, throw it in

821
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: the closet, let it collect some dust. It is actually

822
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: interesting how much the Constructors Championship does take a back

823
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: seat to the Driver's Championship, how much it kind of

824
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like the title in quite the same pace.

825
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's they certainly don't take the

826
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: same pride in it that they do in the drivers Championship.

827
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's definitely true. It's all about those number

828
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: ones out there grade and seeing a lot of people

829
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: in the Slipstream team mentioning that this is Red Bulls

830
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: last year with Honda as their engine manufacturers. Do you

831
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: think that's going to play a factor next year. I

832
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: know they're taking over making their own engines, but they're

833
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: getting guidance basically from Honda engineers on how to keep

834
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: building this same similar engine.

835
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they basically kind of like bought the you know, Honda,

836
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: you know, you know manufactured.

837
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: Send us the blueprints.

838
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: Yeah that you know, it's there will be a lot

839
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: of continuity for next year. You've got to wonder if

840
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 2: a lack of kind of organizational continuity or that support

841
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: from Honda just caused a slight blip in the progress

842
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: of the engine. You know, those sort of handovers are complicated,

843
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: and you know, is it going to cause any sort

844
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: of interruption to the pace of development. It may, it may,

845
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: you know, but at the same time, you know, the

846
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: REGs for the engine, have you know, comparatively minimal changes

847
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: to next year, so a lot of the advancements that

848
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 2: Honda have made in their years with Red Bull will

849
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: still be applicable. So it's it's it's probably, I definitely know.

850
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: I'm pretty positive that Christian Horner wasn't thrilled to hear

851
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: that Honda was stepping away. But it's it's, you know,

852
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: is what it is. And Red Bull taking a big

853
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: lead kind of getting into the engine manufacturing game. It's

854
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: a whole different level of complexity here.

855
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Is it unusual to change your engine supplier after a championship?

856
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: I would have to imagine yes.

857
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say that it's, you know, fairly,

858
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: you know, fairly uncommon unless there's some sort of fallout

859
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: or something like that. But in this instance, I don't

860
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: even know if I I feel like they're changing their

861
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: engine manufacturer in name only. Yeah, it's like it's not

862
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: as if they're now going to a Renaud engine or

863
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah.

864
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like the NBA switched from a Spalding ball

865
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: to a Wilson ball, but allegedly it was all the

866
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: same leather and same factories. People are still complaining about it, though, Grayton.

867
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: So I'm sure we'll hear some more news from the

868
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: Red Bull camp next year, but that's for next year.

869
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Greaton you got anything else on Mercedes or Red Bull

870
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: from this race or from this season.

871
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: No other than you know, you know, my hope is

872
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: is that they all do it again next year. I

873
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: think it's really cool after you know a number of

874
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: seasons in which you know Mercedes had been especially dominant,

875
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: you know that to see a season like this, it's

876
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: truly wild and kind of more than you know, and

877
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, as close to a race as a title

878
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: race I've seen in my entire life, all of my

879
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: years of watching, but you know, maybe any of us,

880
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: unless you go back to the role, well my.

881
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: Four years of watching, this was no doubt the most

882
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: thrilling title race, and like like I said earlier verse

883
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: stopping a totally deserving champion he was. He was killing

884
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: it through the first two thirds basically of this season.

885
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: Hamilton put on a great charge to make it close,

886
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: to make it come down to the very last lap

887
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: of the last race, but it wasn't meant to be

888
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: for Lewis to break history become the eighth time world champion. Instead,

889
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: we get a different bit of history ver stopping taking

890
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: home his first title, the first one for the Netherlands

891
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: as well. These two were miles ahead of the field

892
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: for the entirety of this race, for the entirety of

893
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: this season. I know that Hamilton is like a candidate

894
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: for the goat, but where do you put verstappin. Is

895
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: he going to be an all time great? It sure

896
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: feels like it because he's still young. This is his

897
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: first championship. We obviously don't know what happens with the

898
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: new regulations or what Red Bull's going to be doing

899
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: with their engine, But that's a young dude who doesn't

900
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: seem to be going anywhere anytime soon.

901
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think verstap But is definitely on the

902
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: path to being an all time grade. You know, I

903
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: think he got it. He's got a lot of work

904
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: to do. I think, you know, there you got to

905
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: rack up a few titles to make it into the

906
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: conversation with the likes of Senna and Prost and you know, Schumacher.

907
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: But he certainly has the potential to do that. He's

908
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: very young, he's incredibly talented. There's still opportunities for improvement.

909
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: Even I would argue, you know, he's a fantastic driver.

910
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: His ability to hook it up on a single lap

911
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: is among the very best. But there's still elements of

912
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: his race craft that continue to evolve and improve. So

913
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, there's a there's you know,

914
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: he probably will be remembered as one of the greats,

915
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of work to do between now

916
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: and then.

917
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: So well, we can't wait to see it. Can't wait

918
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: to see season four of Netflix's Drive to Survive. Unfortunately,

919
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: no over stop and celebrating his championship in Netflix. Though

920
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: maybe considering the reason he bowed out was because he

921
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: didn't like the narratives that were created around it, probably

922
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: the smart move from Verstopin. I can imagine him getting

923
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of a villain edit, but I imagine

924
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: a Christian Horner will gladly take his place forgetting these

925
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: sort of interviews. Fun stuff to watch. We'll talk about

926
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: everybody else when we come back from our last break here,

927
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: welcome back to No Breaks. We just watched the Abu

928
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: Dhabi Grand Prix. The Formula One season is over. We

929
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: talked about Max Verstoppin winning his first World championship. We

930
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: talked about the dramatic final laps. So let's get into

931
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: everything else out there, graydon verstoppin P one, Hamilton P.

932
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: Two.

933
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: From there we go, Carlos Signs joining them on the

934
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: podium at P three, followed by Yuki Sonoda who had

935
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: a great weekend, Ghostly Botas Norris in P seven, Fernando

936
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: Alonso in eighth, Estebanokan in ninth, Charles Leclair, charl Leclair

937
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: sorry in P ten, vettl Ricardo, Ricardo Stroll, Schumacher, Perez

938
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: La Ti, Fijiava, Nazi Russell. Those last three did not

939
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: finish as well as Kimi Reginan, who did not finish

940
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: in his last race in Formula one Griton what stuck

941
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: out to you from the best of the rest? Great

942
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: race for the Ferrari guy.

943
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: Great incredible, incredible end of the season for Carlos Signs,

944
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: you know, lands him fifth in the overall standing is

945
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: the best of the rest title, and I think he's

946
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: got to feel awesome going into next year. I think

947
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: there's very good reason to believe that Ferrari's car will

948
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: be more competitive next season. They spent a lot of

949
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: the year focused on the twenty twenty two regulations. At

950
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: some point they stopped focusing on this car and turned

951
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of their attention to next season's car.

952
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: And I think that there's a lot of reasons to

953
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 2: suspect that both he and Cheryl Leclaire will be very

954
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: competitive again. I do fully expect to see one, if

955
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 2: not both of them on the top set of the

956
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 2: top step of the podium and win races in twenty

957
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: twenty two. That's a prediction of mine. I think Carlos

958
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: Science gets his first race win next year. So I

959
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: love there. Yeah, and their other got I mean huge

960
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 2: race from Yuki though too, Yuki Sonoda bringing home and forth.

961
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: I mean it's got easily be his best finish of

962
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: the season. Right So, and that's after what's a great

963
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: weekend in general. He looked great and qualifying. You know,

964
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: he just really felt comfortable, you know, hopefully that you know,

965
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: is a symbol of a big step forward for him

966
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: and that you know, some of the kind of the

967
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: self inflicted errors and the kind of rookie messiness that

968
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: we've seen from him were kind of that he'll have,

969
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: you know, worked through those kinks and we'll have a

970
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: much more complete competitive season next year.

971
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: And he's probably still the f one rookie of the year,

972
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: though the competition was not exactly sterling this year. The

973
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: only other first year drivers were Schumacher and Mazapin, right,

974
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, who were in a class by himself? I

975
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: would say was Sonoda as a rookie. But I think

976
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: it's interesting you mentioned that Ferrari stopped working on their

977
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: car for this season, focused all of their energy on

978
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, because when it came down to it, Graydon,

979
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: Ferrari finishes p three in the Constructors Championship, well ahead

980
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: of murclaren, who looked to be the team to beat

981
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 1: around the halfway mark of the season. What happened there?

982
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: How did Ferrari stop working on their cars and get better?

983
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: Meanwhile McLaren kind of blew it starting with Norris spinning

984
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: out in the rain.

985
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that, You're right. It does really start

986
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 2: with the Russian Grand Prix, and you know where Norris

987
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: looks moments away from winning his first race and then

988
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: suddenly ends up, you know, creatoring after they don't come

989
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: in for we that is a you know, they just

990
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: never get their mojo back. I don't know whether part

991
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: of the issue is, you know that they turned their

992
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: attention as well to twenty twenty two. A lot of

993
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: the teams were steadily doing that, you know, over time,

994
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: siphoning off more and more resources to focus on next

995
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 2: year's car, and that just had a bigger negative impact

996
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: on them than it did others. There's some of it's

997
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 2: just bad luck in there, you know, a punctured tire here,

998
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: a punctured tire there, a first lap incident here or there,

999
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 2: you know, and suddenly Norris after a strong qualifying goes

1000
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: back to the bottom of the points, you know, kind

1001
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: of group or something that some incidents the where I

1002
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: think it's it's you only need a handful of those

1003
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: to kind of spoil a season, you know. But definitely,

1004
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: you know, definitely got to feel that McLaren's got to

1005
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: be disappointed because coming out of Manza they looked like,

1006
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: you know, they were head and shoulders above any other

1007
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: midfield team.

1008
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: So, yeah, do you think McLaren is disappointed in the

1009
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: and the performance of Ricardo this season? He had his

1010
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: race win, but I know when we did our first

1011
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: podcast after the first half of the season, part of

1012
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: the talking points was Ricardo's really struggled in the car

1013
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: then obviously put it together in the middle sector there.

1014
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: Not great in these last few races for Danny Rick.

1015
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I think he definitely underperformed down the

1016
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: stretch here as well. Again a little bit flabbergasting, you know,

1017
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: it seemed like it was all clicking and then it

1018
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: kind of fell apart for him again. I mean he

1019
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: you know, he did even meaningfully worse than North, you know,

1020
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: finishing outside the points in a number of the races

1021
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 2: to finish the year. So I don't know, you gotta

1022
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: be I think Dave. However, you know, like Ferrari, they

1023
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: you know, they've certainly been focused on the car next year.

1024
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: I do think they'll be competitive next year. They'll they'll

1025
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: continue to have probably the best engine in the sport

1026
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: with the Mercedes engine powering the car, and you know,

1027
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: I think they'll be looking to also compete at a

1028
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: very high level. But like I said, little you know,

1029
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: technical innovations or ways of solving the puzzle that is

1030
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 2: the new reds you know, can have a huge effect,

1031
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 2: and we've seen teams make really big leaps, you know,

1032
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: and kind of come out of nowhere in terms of

1033
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 2: their competitiveness, So you know, it's it's tough to predict

1034
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: exactly where everybody falls next year.

1035
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I'm going to ask you to do just that

1036
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: right now, Graydon. Eric Harper and the Slipstream team says,

1037
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 1: I know it's early, but what team does everyone think

1038
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: will make the biggest jump next year? You've mentioned that

1039
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of these teams are already working on their cars.

1040
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: Well, so I think there's kind of two ways to

1041
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: answer this question. I think in some sense, I actually

1042
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 2: do think Ferrari will make a hue. I know they

1043
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: were third, and in fact they could like maybe even

1044
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 2: be third again next year. But I think the nature

1045
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: of the leap will be used. They will go back

1046
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: stronger third. Yeah, they will go back to competing for

1047
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: race wins as opposed to competing for fifth and six,

1048
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: you know, in a race which I think there's a

1049
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: huge difference in that. I wouldn't be surprised if you

1050
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 2: saw Alpine make a big leap. You know, they've got

1051
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: a lot of resource, is there. There is a championship pedigree,

1052
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: you know, in that Reno organization. Going back I people

1053
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: have been kind of waiting for them to make that

1054
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 2: leap back up into the top you know group, or

1055
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: backup not but into a more competitive part of the grid. Ye,

1056
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: I don't suspect that, you know. And then Williams is

1057
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 2: another interesting one. You know, they made good progress this year.

1058
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: We continue to see them make progress. It feels like

1059
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: they had nice momentum, you know, and we'll and we'll

1060
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: can they sustain that? But it's it's this is as

1061
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 2: tough a season as ever to predict where things shake

1062
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: out next year.

1063
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: What is it usually like with a change in regulations.

1064
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: Is it a massive reshuffling the field or is a

1065
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, can team stay good?

1066
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: It can be. I mean the you know, lest we

1067
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: forget Mercedes, who we think of as such a dominant force,

1068
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 2: was you know, comparatively mediocre team. You know, they you

1069
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: know in the midfield prior to the new regulations and

1070
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: the introduction of the V six hybrid engine. But they

1071
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: just nailed it from the get go. You know, they

1072
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: were the ones that solved that puzzle fastest and it

1073
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: completely transformed you know, the sport for the you know,

1074
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: for the next eight years or so. Right. So it's

1075
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: it's so people definitely, you know, make huge leaps and

1076
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: you oftentimes see big regulatory moments, ushering big elgatory changes,

1077
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: ushering in an era of dominance for a net new team.

1078
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: So it is possible that, you know, we're looking at

1079
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 2: the next five to ten years being you know, dominated

1080
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: by you know, somebody who we think of as a

1081
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: secondary a secondary team right now.

1082
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: I'd be exciting to see. So final constructor standings for

1083
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: the season Mercedes followed by Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Alpine,

1084
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: Alpha Taari, Aston Martin, Williams, Alfa Romeo and has finished

1085
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: the season with zero points. Unfortunately, of all those teams

1086
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: Graaton that did that were not Mercedes. In Red Bull,

1087
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: I know you're a Ferrari guy, McLaren guy, but I

1088
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: gotta tip my cap. I enjoyed the Alpine team this year.

1089
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: I was not a big Alonzo fan, but he came

1090
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: back with a joy for driving and had a bunch

1091
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: of really fun moments defending Hamilton. The time he asked

1092
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: Okan to defend against Hamilton like a lion, I just thought,

1093
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, his general joy for life was different

1094
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: this time around. I really appreciated it. On the flip side,

1095
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: a little disappointed in Aston Martin only seventy seven points.

1096
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: They finished seventh in the constructor standings. They had a

1097
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: great season in the year prior with the pink Mercedes,

1098
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: but as it turns out, when they had to build

1099
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: their own car, they got hit a little harder with

1100
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: the rake regulations than Merk did.

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00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely didn't, you know, the choice to basically

1102
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: copy the twenty nineteen Mercedes last season proved very savvy

1103
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 2: in the moment, but very costly in the long run

1104
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: because it didn't set up on a path you know

1105
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: that that was aligned with the REGs this year. That's

1106
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: definitely disappointment, huge loss of momentum for them, you know that.

1107
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: I agree, you know, Alpine had it. Lest we forget,

1108
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't just that Alonso came on, but Ocon became

1109
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: a race winner this year, which is you know that,

1110
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: which is I think coming into the season, not something

1111
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: any of us would have predicted.

1112
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: So what is Okon's rep generally? Because I remember him

1113
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: as the number two to Perez back when I think

1114
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: they were forced India right in the very first season,

1115
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: and then obviously alcan Is gone very quickly after that,

1116
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: but he was always kind of around in the mix

1117
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: and then he had a great year for Alpine this year.

1118
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think people have always thought he

1119
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: was talented, he says total wolf is. Actually his manager

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00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: has been very involved in his career. So it's the

1121
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: weirdest thing, which is so peculiar, the way that like

1122
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: another team's principal would be involved in the career of

1123
00:59:52,760 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: a ras insanely incestuous sport just because I like, what

1124
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: if you know.

1125
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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, look there's Alex Alban he's

1126
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: celebrating with Maxim.

1127
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: Stand if Tom Thibodeau was like Jamar Deroz or something

1128
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: like that. But it's just it's just like that would

1129
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: make no sense. So I think so it's I think

1130
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: that Uh yeah, I mean so I think people think

1131
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: he's talented. He doesn't feel to me like one of

1132
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: the guys. I think he has a good career ahead

1133
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 2: of him. I put him behind that there's an elite

1134
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: group of young guys on the grid, you know, Verstapen, Leclair,

1135
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 2: Norris and then will we'll see if Russell can join

1136
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: them this next year. And then I think you have

1137
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: to acknowledge that Carlos Signs has now joined them, as

1138
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: well as people who you know, we perceive as having

1139
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: the potential to really compete for a title. I don't

1140
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: put Oconn in that group, but you know, but nonetheless,

1141
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: you know, he certainly is super talented, deserving of a seat,

1142
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: and you know, a great you know, a great guy

1143
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: to have as a second driver.

1144
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: So I was happy to hear you put Carlos Signs

1145
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: into the championship contenders. Pale there graydon great season for

1146
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: Signs had I think they said he was tied with

1147
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: Hamilton and Norris for most point finishes this season. He

1148
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: had finished in the points like the last fifteen races

1149
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: of the year or something like that, and how much.

1150
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, how could you not? I mean, he ends up

1151
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: finishing ahead of Leclair. You know that's probably because of

1152
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: a few I still actually would argue that Leclair is

1153
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: the more talented of the two drivers. I think it's

1154
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: mostly strategic missteps and misfortunate that kind of lead to

1155
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 2: Leclair losing some points here or there. Also Leclaire's, you know,

1156
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: the biggest differentiation between them two is, you know, Signs

1157
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: is is so good at bringing the car home, He's

1158
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: so consistent. Leclair's has kind of his risk tolerance, his

1159
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: appetite for taking chances much higher, and that leads to

1160
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: just these these DNFs or these instances where things go awry,

1161
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 2: you know, similar to Norris in Russia. He also wanted

1162
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: to stay out o those tires and he ends up

1163
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: cratering from the top five, you know, And I think

1164
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: finishing outside the points moments like that end up having

1165
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: a huge impact when that race between fifth and seventh

1166
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: was so tight. But but I think, you know, it

1167
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: just seems to me like if you're if your signs

1168
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: and you're hyper consistent and your hyper competitive, and you're

1169
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 2: in a top car, you could easily be right there.

1170
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: You could easily be right there.

1171
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: Totally agree. Looking forward to seeing it. Got a great

1172
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: question from Jack Small who asks, what driver do you

1173
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: think is going into twenty twenty two under the most pressure?

1174
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 2: Oh, that's an interesting one. I think there's a couple

1175
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: guys come to mind. George Russell has to be on

1176
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: the list. You're you're up in the you're in the

1177
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: big seat. Now you know that, you know you've got it,

1178
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: and it's and the expectation is to compete. Mercedes absolutely

1179
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: will want to be competing again for you know, the

1180
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 2: constructors championship, and they'll need in what if it's another

1181
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 2: close drive championship, they'll need a second driver that can

1182
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: actually assist Lewis Hamilton unlike Valtorie Botas and can be

1183
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: a factor in some of these races. So the pressure

1184
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: on Russell to make good on this opportunity, you know,

1185
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: is a big one. I actually think Checho Perez is

1186
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 2: you know, he's don't be wrong. I mean, Red Bull's

1187
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: over the moon with Perez's performance this weekend. I think

1188
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: he's very loved inside the organization. But I also think

1189
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: he had a middling year over all. They were never

1190
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: really in the mix for the Constructor's title, partly because

1191
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: of his inability to perform on Saturdays, and you know,

1192
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: just in general. You know, he certainly didn't nail it,

1193
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: you know, from end to end. So you want to

1194
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: see a better season from him. And the last guy

1195
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: I'll mention is is Daniel Ricardo, who has got to

1196
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: get his form back or else you start. You know,

1197
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: it's they were supposed to be even coming into this year.

1198
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: Norris and Ricardo were kind of you're both supposed to

1199
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: be competitive. Lando absolutely looks like the number one driver

1200
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: inside that organization right now. So if you're Ricardo, I

1201
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: think you've got to figure out a way to get

1202
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: your group back.

1203
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering if he's like feeling this is gonna

1204
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: be the Red Bull situation all over again, where you've

1205
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: got a hot shot star that you're there trying to

1206
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: support and they just want you to support. Because I'm

1207
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: with you, Ricardo needs to bring it a little bit

1208
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: more because he's at least the guy who's pitched could

1209
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: possibly win a championship depending on the car and the

1210
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: way things transpire. So I would love to see him

1211
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: step it up next season for McLaren as well, But

1212
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: that's for next season. Graydon you got any final thoughts

1213
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: on the twenty twenty one F one season.

1214
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 2: It's just absolutely insane. I just cannot believe how this

1215
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: all went down. I cannot believe the way things ended today.

1216
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: I can't believe that we went into today's race even

1217
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: on points for the championship. I can't believe that it

1218
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: came down to the last lap. You know, Max passing

1219
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 2: Hamilton will literally the very last slap of the season

1220
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 2: after you know, an incredibly controversial, an incredibly you know,

1221
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: controversial call by the race director just madness. We may

1222
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: I think we should relish it because we may never

1223
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: see anything like this again. Yeah, it's this. This is

1224
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 2: definitely one for the history books and something this crazy

1225
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 2: may never be replicated.

1226
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: Definitely the perfect season to start a Formula one podcast

1227
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: because if we were talking about any other year, these

1228
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: championships are usually done like four races before the season

1229
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: is over. So to actually have it come down to

1230
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: the very last seconds, man, that was exciting stuff. There

1231
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: were so many times that Verstopping and Hamilton were, you know,

1232
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: actually go and wheel the wheel sideboard to sideboard, smashing

1233
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: into each other. They had so many incidents. I don't

1234
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: understand how they are going to be able to get

1235
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: this into one season of Drive to Survive. It feels

1236
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: like just Mercedes versus Red Bull could be an entire

1237
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: your ten episodes. How many times these two uh got

1238
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: into little skirmishes out there on the track and the

1239
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: intervening UH talks with the stewards and the marshalls and

1240
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: the regulations and all that stuff. There was so much

1241
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: and I also love to see after the race was over,

1242
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: actual respect between for Stopping and Hamilton, Like these guys

1243
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: have been going at each other hard for nine months

1244
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: basically at this point and afterwards, like they just were

1245
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: dapping each other up, and I thought it was cool

1246
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: to see Hamilton's dad going over and congratulating verstopping as well.

1247
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: A lot of class from all parties involved after like

1248
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: a super like super dramatic season.

1249
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly, you know, I don't think anybody would

1250
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: have blamed any of the participants if they had just

1251
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: kind of kept their distance in that moment. But he,

1252
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: you know, very classy moved from Hamilton to come over

1253
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: and congratulate for stapping a lot of respect up there

1254
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: on the podium. You know, I certainly know that. I

1255
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: don't know if I would have been able to quite

1256
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 2: the way Lewis did so I so it's definitely a

1257
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: you know, great see that, and I'm sure that he'll

1258
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: be back. You know, Lewis has definitely still got it,

1259
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: so you expect to see him fighting for the title

1260
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: next year.

1261
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would have to imagine. And it's been a

1262
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: long time since Lewis Hamilton finished a season without a championship,

1263
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: so maybe even a little more motivation to come back

1264
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: and actually put number eight on the board. I don't

1265
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: know what else you got great and anything else on

1266
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: Formula One in twenty twenty one.

1267
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: No, man, I mean, I'm just really excited for next year.

1268
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: I think the changes we're going to see. The technical

1269
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: changes are I think an excellent step. I think they're

1270
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: going to lead to much more competitive racing, ability to

1271
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: follow more closely, you know, a lot more overtaking. You know,

1272
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 2: they're designed to aid that. So I think that'll be

1273
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: really cool. And you know, we're even if, even if

1274
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: we can't replicate a title race that's as razor thin

1275
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 2: as this, I think we're in store for a bunch

1276
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: of great racing next year. So there's no reason to

1277
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: be anything but bullish on you know, on the twenty

1278
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: twenty two season.

1279
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: So cannot wait. But before we get to that, we're

1280
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: gonna have the off season. Good question here, is the

1281
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: F one off season anything like the NBA off season

1282
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: or no? Because they do it in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would actually say no, because silly season is

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Speaker 2: happens like midyear, and what is an incredibly peculiar phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: They you know, they decide where you're going to drive

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Speaker 2: next year right in the middle of the previous season.

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Speaker 2: So that's so, I mean, what if free agency was happening,

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Speaker 2: like right, amazing, Yeah, yeah, that would be wild, right,

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Speaker 2: So so I don't it tends to be a little quieter.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of whispers out there, but

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Speaker 2: even the teams themselves, you know, you don't you know,

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Speaker 2: they're in the wind tunnels, they're in the simulators, they're

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Speaker 2: working on the cars, but you don't really know how

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Speaker 2: things are going to shake out until you get to

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Speaker 2: winter testing in Barcelona and you start to see, you

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Speaker 2: know how the cars on the track. So that'll be

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Speaker 2: that'll be a huge moment. But you know, it's definitely

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Speaker 2: not it's not the mania that the.

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Speaker 1: You know, midnight Madness or whatever they do in college

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Speaker 1: basketball right where they're like they're like, oh, we're allowed

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Speaker 1: to practice now, come and come to Cameron indoor and

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Speaker 1: see these guys running around totally Yeah, first time to

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Speaker 1: see him. Man, that'll probably be the next time you

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Speaker 1: see us. Sometime in the new year. The people are saying,

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Speaker 1: we need a Formula One Grand Prix, no breaks recap

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Speaker 1: after every single race. We will see.

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Speaker 2: We'll see about that.

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Speaker 1: We shall see. Thank you Grayton so much. For giving

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Speaker 1: us your time and your expertise in the Formula one world.

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Speaker 1: This has been super duper fun.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: We started doing it once a month, then it became

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Speaker 1: once every couple of weeks. Suddenly we got a weekly

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Speaker 1: Formula one podcast. This has been really awesome, really enjoyed it, Graydon.

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Speaker 1: Please go follow Graydon on Twitter at mister Gordian. Did

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Speaker 1: you watch the Holiday episode of The Great British Bake

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Speaker 1: Off yet?

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Speaker 2: No? Did they release I didn't even realize they had

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Speaker 2: released it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it came out Friday. You'll be happy

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Speaker 1: to know that they brought back one of the worst

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Speaker 1: bakers in bakeoff history and they haven't improved it all.

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Speaker 1: So that was very exciting to see. Fun time.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely love to hear it. So that's I am, I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna go watch that right now.

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Speaker 1: There you go, exactly right. You're gonna love Pru's blue hair.

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Speaker 1: It looks incredible. Fun times JD. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for producing things down there in the Paddock, and thank

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Speaker 1: you to the Slipstream team and the pod squad for

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Speaker 1: joining us on this ride. You can follow Graydon on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at mister Gordian. You can follow us on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, basically anywhere there is social media at No Dunks, Inc.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear more from No Breaks, shoot

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Speaker 1: us an email No Dunks at Theathletic dot com and

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Speaker 1: tell us how awesome this podcast is. And hey, subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the Athletic Athletic dot com slash No Dunks. Silly

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Speaker 1: season maybe over the Formula one season may be over,

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Speaker 1: but in about three days here, Graydon, we're getting to

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Speaker 1: silly season in the NBA when all of these contracts

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Speaker 1: that we're signed during the off season are finally able

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Speaker 1: to be traded. It feels very silly season right now

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Speaker 1: with the way things are going with Lillard and Ben

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Speaker 1: Simmons and Kyrie Irving. Maybe even Bradley Beal is back

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Speaker 1: in the mix. So yeah, we'll go from one crazy

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Speaker 1: sport to another. No Breaks b r e a ks

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Speaker 1: this time. Clipper Bros. You heard it here first. Have

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Speaker 1: a great time, turn up, love you guys, awesome, Stay

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Speaker 1: speedy people,