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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, January seventh, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stack knight of headlines everybody. Nick Reiner's

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Speaker 2: defense has officially dropped him, so he is no longer

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Speaker 2: being represented by Alan Jackson.

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Speaker 3: What does that even mean?

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Speaker 2: Plus what the Brown University shooter has said in his

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Speaker 2: newly released confessional and inside the infamous Metropolitan Detention Center

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Speaker 2: in Brooklyn. Boy, has that had a celeb filled, notorious

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Speaker 2: bunch of what do we call it? Residentss? Inmates? That's

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Speaker 2: a better word. And listen here to break down all

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Speaker 2: the legal stuff for us, we have Jarrett Farentino, our

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Speaker 2: most favorite prosecutor in the House, to answer any of

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Speaker 2: our questions. Hey, if you want to join the combo

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Speaker 2: eight eight eight three one crime, you can call us

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Speaker 2: live or you could always hit us up on our socials.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little for Klempt. I'm not gonna lie just

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Speaker 2: before air. I know we're probably all seeing this newly

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Speaker 2: released footage in Minneapolis, a young woman lost her life

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Speaker 2: with an altercation with ice. Will unpack it a bit,

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Speaker 2: trying to keep it not political, but I will say

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Speaker 2: it's really hard to see the footage of a person

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Speaker 2: losing their life, no matter where you sit in this,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm so sick of turning on the

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Speaker 2: news and seeing it's too much for us to see.

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Speaker 2: And we work in true crime and it's too much.

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Speaker 2: So I say that with a heavy heart, and I

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Speaker 2: know there's so much to unfold with that, and we

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Speaker 2: don't have all the details right now. It will be

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Speaker 2: unfolding throughout the evening, but our hearts are with everyone

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Speaker 2: and hopefully we don't get too desensitized, just in general.

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Speaker 2: So huddle up, everybody, Let's put our arms around each other,

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Speaker 2: and please pull up a chair because we have some

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Speaker 2: legal discussions to have.

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Speaker 4: Jared, Happy New Year. We're so glad that you're here.

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Speaker 5: Great to see everyone, and taha.

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Speaker 2: Oh and we have Sam and Adam in the house.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I got a laser facial so

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Speaker 2: my face is on fire. I have a very red,

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Speaker 2: slightly burnt face at the moment.

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Speaker 4: So you can't stop her. Beauty can't stop. Beauty shines through. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I figured in the in the the one year anniversary

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Speaker 2: or the Palisades Fire, I figured it was perfectly appropriate

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Speaker 2: to start anew So I will be glowing in a week.

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Speaker 2: I think I'll be happy to share the ongoings as

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Speaker 4: So Courtney, let's go. Where should we start?

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Speaker 6: So we have a lot, particularly that we've been stacking

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Speaker 6: up for Jarrett.

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Speaker 4: So let's get right into Nick Reiner.

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Speaker 6: So, the thirty two year old son of famed Hollywood

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Speaker 6: director Rob and Michelle Reiner. He did not enter a

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Speaker 6: plea today, which was expected, and that's because his high

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Speaker 6: profile defense attorney, Alan Jackson abruptly withdrew from the case,

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Speaker 6: and that happened during a scheduled arraignment in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 6: You may recognize Alan Jackson's name from his work as

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Speaker 6: very recently the defense attorney, the lead defense attorney for

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Speaker 6: Karen Reid. He's also represented Harvey Weinstein and other notables.

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Speaker 6: But as a result of a defense attorney Alan Jackson withdrawing,

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Speaker 6: now suspect Nick Reiner's arraignment has been rescheduled and pushed

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Speaker 6: to fibr twenty third, Nick Reiner will now be represented

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Speaker 6: by a public defender. Murder charges of the deaths of

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Speaker 6: his parents are moving forward. Of course, this case it

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Speaker 6: stems from the December fourteenth, twenty twenty five killings, when

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Speaker 6: dispute the night before. So I think we maybe Jared

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Speaker 6: right before we go to you. We'd love to start

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Speaker 6: with a clip of defense Attorney Alan Jackson.

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Speaker 7: Good morning. Do you know my name is Alan Jackson.

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Speaker 5: This morning.

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Speaker 8: I had to withdraw as Nick Reiner's counsel. Circumstances beyond

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Speaker 8: our control, but more importantly, circumstances beyond Nick's control have

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Speaker 7: But be clear, be very very clear, about this.

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Speaker 8: My team and I remain deeply, deeply.

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Speaker 7: Committed to Nick Reiner to his best interests.

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Speaker 2: Kind of, I don't know, deeply committed. It seems like

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Speaker 2: you just dropped your client. Is that the case, Jarrett,

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Speaker 5: Well that's a curious statement on your way out in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like you're not that committed at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, look, he made a lot of interesting statements

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Speaker 5: as so many to watch him work. Yes, I'm not

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Speaker 5: suggests to me that mister green money is not in

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Speaker 5: up to pay Alan Jackson. I think it's that simple.

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Speaker 5: It may reference some kind of a mental infirmity that

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Speaker 5: Nick isn't in control of his senses and is under

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Speaker 5: the care of a trustee something like that, and that

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Speaker 5: person is not going with Alan Jackson. But I'm willing

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Speaker 5: to bet this is about money, and money didn't show up.

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Speaker 5: And this is a business, and he's a private attorney

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Speaker 5: who commands a lot of money. He's not going to

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Speaker 5: do this for free. You're here.

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Speaker 2: As my first thought too, we had asked this question

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Speaker 2: when the first the first we heard of Alan Jackson, who,

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Speaker 2: again we all have agreed, is a tremendous attorney. If

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Speaker 2: defending you. Obviously it's worked for many. That said, we

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Speaker 2: were curious who's paying the bill? Is it the estate

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Speaker 2: I'm speculating alleged to in fact, allegedly allegedly allegedly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like not free. You know, Alan Jackson's not an intern.

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Speaker 3: Right I mean? And that you know, also there's that

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Speaker 3: California statute, that California slayer rule, where you know, the

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Speaker 3: last time we had talked about there possibly being a

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Speaker 3: if there was a trust that was set up for

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Speaker 3: which I can't imagine. I can't imagine there's trust.

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Speaker 5: He's a candidate for a trust because he was they

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Speaker 5: were unable to give him or trust in pardon the pun,

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Speaker 5: with all that money at once. That's the big thing. So,

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Speaker 5: I Agreeddy, I think you're spot on. The problem is

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Speaker 5: He's saying, we could technically declare Nick indigen and get

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Speaker 5: a public defender and not expend those funds. So and

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Speaker 5: that's where we're at, And there's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: Right, Can I just ask one question too to that end,

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Speaker 2: I'm Alan Jackson. I'm stepping into the spotlight here in

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Speaker 2: a very high profile case, and I take it on

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Speaker 2: head first. It sounds like, according to his press conference,

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Speaker 2: of a bad look if you're in a loser case. Also,

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Speaker 2: so a money is being questioned, and who wants to

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Speaker 2: great defense. You know that's probably not an Alan Jackson's

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Speaker 2: best interest either. Even if money was pouring from this guy,

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Speaker 2: I would have to assume so for Nick Reiner, not

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Speaker 2: a great day in court.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a step backwards for the defense, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, you know, Alan Jackson, every

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Speaker 5: case isn't an acquittal situation. Although he did say the

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Speaker 3: Sure dead, he's under California law, right.

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Speaker 5: That's and well, we could talk about exactly what he's

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Speaker 5: says about it. It's a mitigation. It's looking like a

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Speaker 5: mitigation or mental infirmity situation. I know we're speculating, but

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Speaker 5: looking at everything we know as of right now, that

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Speaker 6: It would seem and listen if you you are just

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Speaker 4: I'm Courtney.

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Speaker 6: I'm so lucky to be here with Body Moven and

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Speaker 6: Stephanie Leidecker, and we are thankfully joined by Prosecutor Extraordinaiy

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Speaker 6: Jarrett Farantino, and we are discussing what is going on

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Speaker 6: in the Nick Reiner case and the fact that his

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Speaker 6: defense attorney, Alan Jackson has stepped back, and we'd actually

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Speaker 8: Well, we've learned, and you can take this to the bank,

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Speaker 8: is it pursue it to the laws of this state.

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Speaker 8: Pursuant to the law in California, Nick Reiner is not

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Speaker 4: Because he's not that Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, take it to the bank because there's no money

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Speaker 2: in it for me, Alan Jackson. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 2: take that to the bank, not my check.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 5: What does that mean, Jarrett, Well, to me, it means

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Speaker 5: Nick Reiner is suffering from a mental infirmity that will

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Speaker 5: result in Alan Jackson's mind of him being declared not

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Speaker 5: guilty of these crimes. And we talked about it last time.

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Speaker 5: The threshold of insanity in California is a high high

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Speaker 5: bart you are and just so we get it right,

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Speaker 5: you're incapable of knowing or understanding the nature and quality

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Speaker 5: moment of the killing. That's what it is. High bar

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Speaker 5: not easy. Alan Jackson has seen enough and low the

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Speaker 5: past two weeks to feel like they're going to get.

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Speaker 3: There and they're really going to look into his actions

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Speaker 3: after the murder happened and leading up to it right

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Speaker 3: to determine and you know, tell the jury like listen, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's saying he has these things and he's been diagnosed

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Speaker 3: with this, that and the other. But he cleaned up,

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Speaker 3: he did this, he did that, he knew what he'd

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Speaker 3: did was wrong. Therefore he is criminally responsible. I think

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Speaker 3: that's going to be something that happens.

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Speaker 5: They're huge and I've had cases like this where you

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Speaker 5: look at the pre murder conduct the post murder conduct.

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Speaker 5: Can you say this is someone who is committing intentional acts,

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Speaker 5: is capable of thinking clearly, understands what he did was wrong,

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Speaker 5: Him getting out of there, him going to the hotel.

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Speaker 5: As a prosecutor, I say, flight evading, planning his next step, control,

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Speaker 5: understanding what he did was wrong, like a scalded dog.

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Speaker 5: If he sat there and painted the walls in their blood,

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Speaker 5: that's a different story. This is someone who is not

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Speaker 2: And is it possible if you're Alan Jackson and you

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Speaker 2: things Nick Reiner. Nick Reiner obviously has been arrested for

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Speaker 4: So today was a big upset.

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Speaker 2: Alan Jackson, his attorney, very high powered, will remember her

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Speaker 3: An almost impossible situation, right, I mean, let's say credit

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Speaker 2: It was a dazzling courtroom performance. You know, we all

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Speaker 5: You know, public defenders get a bad rap. Stephanie, I

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Speaker 3: Well in Courtney, you remember your favorite curtain ermy public

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Speaker 5: She's a member of that office. I don't know that's

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean, and you don't do that kind

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Speaker 6: Right, And especially I had not realized that she's death qualified,

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Speaker 2: Just to that end too, the death qualified thing, in

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Speaker 2: You brought up Kirk Nermi, who defended infamously Jodiarius, who

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Speaker 4: At some point he did.

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Speaker 2: If you're a public defender, do you just show up

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Speaker 5: I think either could happen. You know that Unfortunately a

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Speaker 4: That's a tough job. I have that done.

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Speaker 2: This question of her if nothing you ever ask is

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Speaker 3: This maybe implies that it's unethical, and I don't mean

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Speaker 5: It sounds that way. I mean, it sounds like that

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Speaker 5: I know there's the civil stuff coming up, but he's

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Speaker 5: a criminal defense lawyer, right, you do. This is like

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Speaker 3: Well he did, I mean with what he said was like,

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Speaker 5: Because I mean, I just think they could multi ten,

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Speaker 2: Okay, I would eat it up to see you in

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Speaker 4: I know me too.

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Speaker 2: Are probably like money, honestly, like if I you're the call, Honestly,

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Speaker 2: if something goes to place, you know not that it will.

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Speaker 2: Not One last question, just about the schizophrenia angle.

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Speaker 4: Are the insanity angle?

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Speaker 2: You know we've seen this in movies, right, Whatever the

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Speaker 2: Is there a universe that Nick Reiner? I guess this

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Speaker 2: Is that what has to have and like what has

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Speaker 5: So you begin with a crazy act, you have a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: It has a stigma in the system too.

435
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Speaker 2: Because people try to pretend their craziness even while they're

436
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Speaker 2: going through this part of the process. I assume, right, right,

437
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: and what that would mean, and I'm sorry I won't

438
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: belabor this last question. If the insanity thing holds up,

439
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: what does that really mean that he is not put

440
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Speaker 2: in prison. He is therefore put in a padded room

441
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Speaker 2: at a sanitarium. That's what it looks like in the movies.

442
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Speaker 5: He would basically be in a facility for the rest.

443
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Speaker 5: Unless you know, there's there's people that I had a

444
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 5: situation with the defendant in California was deemed insane, but

445
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 5: then reclaim sanity, and there was then put on trial

446
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 5: where the insanity they say, carried on after the crime.

447
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 5: He was deemed sane and then went on trial, was

448
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 5: ultimately convicted. And so again this is nuanced and there's

449
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 5: really no way to predict other than if Nick was convicted,

450
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Speaker 5: If Nick was determined to have an infirmity and deemed

451
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Speaker 5: insane and that never changed, he would be in a

452
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Speaker 5: facility in all likelihood for the rest of his life.

453
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Speaker 4: Such a tragic story it is. This is true crime.

454
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Speaker 6: Tonight, we are talking about the Nick ryin our case,

455
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 6: and we will be looking forward into February when his

456
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 6: next court appearance is scheduled. We're here with Jarrett Farentino.

457
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Speaker 6: So if you have legal questions, give us a call.

458
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 6: Eighty eight three to one Crime and Body. I think

459
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Speaker 6: you were going to update us on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was kind of crazy in Uvaldi. So there's

461
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: a lot of notes that you know, I have to

462
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: go through and I've only got like five minutes, so

463
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to make it as discinct as possible,

464
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 3: but get it all in. So the former or the

465
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 3: trial for the former, you've all these school Officer Adrian

466
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: Gonzalez it's going to continue tomorrow after court was halted today.

467
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: So court was canceled today due to disputes over key

468
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: witness testimony. So the defendant, Adrian Gonzalez, has pled not

469
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: guilty to twenty nine counts of child endangerment for allegedly

470
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: failing to act during the May twenty twenty two rob

471
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: Elementary school shooting, which killed nineteen students and two teachers.

472
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: So investigators highlighted a seventy seven minute delay in police response,

473
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: making this only the second case in US history where

474
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Speaker 3: a law enforcement's officer faces criminal charges for their conduct

475
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: during a school massacre. So this is only the second time.

476
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: The first one was Parkland High School in Florida and

477
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: he was acquitted. So this is number two. Okay, So

478
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: the rob Elementary teacher, this is the crux of the matter.

479
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: The teacher testified yesterday. Her name is Stephanie Hale, and

480
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: she testified that she said, as we were running into

481
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Speaker 3: the classroom, I saw the I don't know if you

482
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: call him horrible person walking. She testified, saying that she

483
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: identified the gunman based on the dust that was kicked up. Okay.

484
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: The problem with this is and that he shot at

485
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 3: her and at the south end of the building, and

486
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 3: that's where the school resource officers, and that's why it's important.

487
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: The issue is is that after this happened, like a

488
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 3: couple of days after this happened, she met with the

489
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 3: investigators and never said anything about this. Okay, so this

490
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: is new information, and the defense is saying, hey, listen,

491
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: when did the state learn that she apparently saw the

492
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: shooter at the south end of the building where my

493
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: client was, and why didn't we know about it? So

494
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 3: this could be a potential Brady violation, which is a

495
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: big problem. So the judge, I'm trying to be as

496
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: suscinct as possible. The judge kind of agreed. Halted. Court

497
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: had a hearing today hearing. The defense is asking for

498
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: a mistrial over this. I mean, this is a big deal.

499
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: So there's a lot to unpack here. But again the

500
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: testimony that was given. Oh and the judge in a

501
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: really rare move, the judge let the defense cross the prosecutor. Yeah,

502
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: so they and you guys, this is like I said,

503
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to get through my nose as quickly as possible.

504
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: Ash too, we can always just keep her okay, get

505
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 4: all your.

506
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: Out a lot, and I don't really want to ask

507
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: Jared about it because I'm like, oh my gosh, okay. Jareded,

508
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: so this is, like I said, a rare move. And

509
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: the teacher got on the stand and she said, the

510
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: prosecutor's acknowledge that in an interview with the state four

511
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: days after the shooting, the teacher Stephanie Hall, never said

512
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 3: anything about the shooter or being shot at. Okay, And

513
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: the defense asked the teacher, you would agree with me

514
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: and listening to the totality of your interview four days

515
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: after that, you never tell the investigator that you saw

516
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: anybody was dressed in black with long hair and firing

517
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: a gun. And she said correct. And the defense said,

518
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: you agree that you never told him you saw the

519
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: dirt flying up in the playground you felt like you

520
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: were being shot at, which was your opinion, Hale said,

521
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: And she said, yes, never mentioned it. So, according to

522
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: the defense attorney his name is Jason Goss, prosecutors did

523
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: not provide the required notice that Stephanie's testimony was changing.

524
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: So this was a complete shock to the defense, right

525
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: and defense went on to say, if she did report

526
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: these things to the prosecution, we were entitled to that

527
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: to prepare for this, and this is a trial by ambush,

528
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: is what the defense is saying. In a rarely seen move,

529
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: the judge allowed the defense attorney to cross examine Uvalde

530
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: County District Attorney Christina Mitchell and one of her investigators

531
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Speaker 3: about the change in testimony. I have never heard of

532
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: this happening. The prosecutor got on this stand and the

533
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: defense was allowed to question her.

534
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Speaker 4: I've never heard of that either, Jared.

535
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Speaker 3: I don't know, and I don't know if the dream

536
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: was there either.

537
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Speaker 2: And listen, it's Wednesday, so we have our most favorite

538
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: prosecutor with us tonight. Jarrett Farantino is answering all your

539
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: favorite legal questions and hours, I might add.

540
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 4: So we're knee deep into day.

541
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: One of the Uvaldi police officer trial. Remember this Uvaldi

542
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: police officer is standing trial for his inaction when the

543
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: active shooting event happened, which led to the lives of

544
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: so many children and two teachers as well. So extremely

545
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: important and very controversial. Body was just laying it out

546
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Speaker 2: for us. What a day in the courtroom. It sounds

547
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: like the the defense was cross examining the prosecution. Yeah,

548
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: this seems very rare.

549
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in the you know, the all the research

550
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: that I've done on the reporting on this, it's pretty

551
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: rare for the judge to do this. The judge's name

552
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: is sid Harrel, and Gloss was at the defense attorney

553
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: was allowed to cross examine the Valde County District Attorney,

554
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: Christina Mitchell and and one of her investigators about the

555
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: change in the testimony of Stephanie Hale, who is the teacher,

556
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: and the teacher is saying now that she and the children,

557
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: you know that she was trying to get out of

558
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: the building kind of ran into the south area of

559
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: the building where the defendant was apparently stationed, and she

560
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: saw the gunman, which would imply that he saw the

561
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: gunman and didn't do anything right, which is why it's

562
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: kind of a big deal.

563
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: Now.

564
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: The issue is is that, you know, in all the

565
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: pre trial hearings and you know, all the discovery the

566
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: defense has gotten from the state thus far, that is

567
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: never mentioned. In fact, four days after this happened back

568
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, Stephanie Hall, the witness that's you know,

569
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: causing all that, well, her testimony causing all this, she

570
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: never mentioned it to investigators, and so the defense is

571
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: upset and rightly. So if this is all true, you

572
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: know that this could put be a potential Brady violation.

573
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: I don't think it's necessarily a Brady violation because it

574
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: doesn't it's not exculpatory in anyway. It actually makes them

575
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: look worse. So I don't know how it's a Brady

576
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: violation AnyWho. This is what they said, Okay. Now the judge,

577
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: like I said, the judge allowed that. And what the

578
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: prosecutor said was neither the or the defense attorney went

579
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: on the cross. Okay. So the prosecutors on the stand right,

580
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: and the defense attorney is asking the prosecutor questions, okay,

581
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: And this is what the defense attorney says. Neither the

582
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: prosecutor nor anyone in the room thought to ask her

583
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: where did you see the shooter? That wasn't a question

584
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: that came in anybody's mind to ask her where the

585
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: shooter was. And the district attorney responded and said, you know,

586
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: you're getting pretty nit You're getting very nitpicky. Let me

587
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: tell you something. When we were preparing these witnesses, I

588
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: was running a law office. I was in and out

589
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: of interview, so I can't say that. I like, oh god,

590
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: oh my god. You know I wasn't that type of

591
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: reaction for me. What nitpicky? You think the defense attorney's

592
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: getting nitpicky about key witness testimony. Hello, I'm stunned. I'm

593
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: literally stunned, and I don't know if I'm overreacting, but

594
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: this seems like a massive deal to me. What do

595
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: you think you're it?

596
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's nitpicky trying to figure out

597
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 5: where the shooter.

598
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.

599
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 5: But I think the issue here, though, is whether or

600
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 5: not and where this an oversight can become a Brady

601
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 5: violation if the prosecution deliberately withheld this information from this Okay,

602
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 5: and here's the defense's problem. Number one, they're saying, we're

603
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 5: getting completely ambushed by this information. Number two, because their

604
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 5: defense is that this shooter was nowhere near their client

605
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 5: right now, How do they say that when it teacher

606
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 5: is saying no, that I saw he was kicking up

607
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 5: dust and walking around the south side of the school.

608
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 5: That kneecaps the ability for the defense to say their

609
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: client should be acquitted because he was not in a

610
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: position to save these children from harm. That's why they're

611
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: saying it's an ambush and it was deliberately withheld the

612
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 5: fact that the defense attorney is asking the prosecute these questions.

613
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: They're trying to get to the core issue of what

614
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 5: did you know? When? Did you know it? Or is

615
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 5: this something that just organically slipped out in Hale's testimony

616
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 5: as she's testifying a trial. The judge has denied the

617
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 5: mistrial request. Right, the judge says, you can aggressively cross

618
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 5: examine whatever that means, and you can play the old

619
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 5: interview from four days out and say, by the way, Dale,

620
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 5: you forgot that the shooter was in the south side

621
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 5: of the building four days later, and you expect us

622
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 5: to believe it now, all these years later.

623
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 4: Can I ask a question?

624
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 6: I feel like and thank you for explaining that, because

625
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 6: I understand it much better. Sort of what is at issue?

626
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 6: My mind goes to the fact that the defense attorney

627
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 6: would almost be put on their back foot by quote

628
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 6: aggressively cross examining this teacher who was there and gave

629
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 6: very deeply emotional testimony.

630
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?

631
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Speaker 6: Like, I know that the judge is giving a solve

632
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 6: and saying, hey, you can counter it. But would that

633
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 6: be a bad look for the defense to aggressively anything

634
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 6: one of these teachers.

635
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 5: That's a really good question, Corny, that's a strategy question

636
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 5: you say to yourself, like do you want to go

637
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 5: after a woman who witnessed her own students being shot,

638
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 5: was fear of her own life, her ability to recall

639
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 5: those events in the days after like that. See, So

640
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 5: whether or not the defense does it is one thing.

641
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 5: The fact that the judge is giving them the right

642
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 5: to do it and to open the door and get

643
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 5: into all this other evidence that maybe he wouldn't have

644
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 5: allowed in just says if there was a mistake, we

645
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 5: can cure that mistake with some aggressive cross and the

646
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 5: right to view that previously initially made statements. So again

647
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 5: there's some legal significance in opening that door for the defense.

648
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 5: Whether or not they go through it is another question

649
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 5: for strategy.

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Speaker 3: Scary, So what do you think?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So there's autopsy photos of these children, okay, and

653
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Speaker 3: which are I'm sure are terrible, and the defense opposed

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Speaker 3: them being shown, and the judge initially allowed them but

655
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Speaker 3: later barred them during opening statements. Do you think does

656
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Speaker 3: that mean anything for you?

657
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Speaker 5: These so first of all, these are photos of dead children.

658
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Speaker 5: Anytime you're dealing with inflammatory prejudicial photographs, the hope is

659
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Speaker 5: that they don't blow up in your face, like a

660
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Speaker 5: jury can look at these and say, we're here to

661
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Speaker 5: answer the question of whether or not that officer could

662
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Speaker 5: have stopped it. There is no doubt these children were

663
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Speaker 5: shot and murdered. Why are you jamming this. You're trying

664
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Speaker 5: to inflame us, And they could hold that against the state.

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Speaker 5: The counter argument is they can look at it from

666
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Speaker 5: a defense side and say or against the defense and say,

667
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Speaker 5: we're seeing these horrible images, We're seeing this horrible result,

668
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Speaker 5: these children were injured. We're going to hold the only

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Speaker 5: person in the courtroom sitting in the defense chair accountable,

670
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Speaker 5: and your client's guilty. That's the fear. So it's a

671
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 5: double edged sword. I don't think they're necessary in this case,

672
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Speaker 5: and the only reason you'd be using them is for

673
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Speaker 5: a prejudicial effect, and that could haunt them down the

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Speaker 5: road in an appeal, because this case is going to

675
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Speaker 5: be scrutinized well into the Cappelic courts because of the

676
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 5: novelty of Zales's prosecution. So I think that that could

677
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Speaker 5: come back to bite them.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully you're gonna You've given us a lot to chew on,

679
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Speaker 3: so we really really do appreciate your analysis. This is

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Speaker 3: your Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking to crime all

681
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Speaker 3: the time. We were right in the middle of talking

682
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Speaker 3: about the uv All Day Resource School resource officer trial.

683
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Speaker 3: He's on trial for basically in action in the Uvalde

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Speaker 3: school shooting back in twenty twenty two. And we're gonna

685
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Speaker 3: get We're gonna shift a little bit. We have a

686
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Speaker 3: couple cases where there's some jurisdictional issues and we wanted

687
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Speaker 3: to ask Jarrett while he's here some opinions about this stuff. Right,

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Speaker 3: So the first one that we're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: is Melody Buzzard, and very quickly Melody Buzzard. She was

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Speaker 3: a nine year old girl from Lompoc, California. She was

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Speaker 3: reporting missing in October of twenty twenty five, so just

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Speaker 3: a few months ago. Her body was found later in

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Speaker 3: a rural area of Utah with gunshot wounds to the head.

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Speaker 3: Her mother, Ashley Buzzard's forty years old. She was arrested

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Speaker 3: on December twenty third and charged in California was first

696
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Speaker 3: degree murder, including allegations of lying in wait in personal

697
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Speaker 3: discharging a firearm. Prosecutors are saying that the case is

698
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Speaker 3: being handled in California because the murder was planned there.

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Speaker 3: Ashley Buzzard has pled not guilty and is being held

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Speaker 3: without bail. Okay, So people are up at arms because

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Speaker 3: you know, there's a moratorium on the death penalty in

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Speaker 3: California and people want this tried in Utah. People are

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Speaker 3: you know, outraged about this case because Melody Buzzard was

704
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Speaker 3: such a cute little girl and oh my gosh, I

705
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Speaker 3: can't believe this happened. Her mother killed her terrible allegedly,

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Speaker 3: and so people are up at arms asking why isn't

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Speaker 3: this being tried in Utah? This she was murdered in Utah.

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Speaker 3: They should have jurisdiction. Can you explain what this all means, Jared,

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Speaker 3: Your camera is.

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Speaker 5: Created so by the timing of that zoom in with

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Speaker 5: so well, basically California has jurisdiction under the law where

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Speaker 5: you it's not it's not really a geography question. It's

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Speaker 5: a nature of the crime question, the elements of the

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Speaker 5: offense question. Where did the intent happen, Where did the

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Speaker 5: planning happen? Where did Buzzard come up with this idea?

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Speaker 5: She traveled from California with, in the prosecution's theory, no

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Speaker 5: intent to ever return with Melody, so that the design

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Speaker 5: and murder was planned and plotted in California the folks

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Speaker 5: in so her ties to Utah are very tangential. She

720
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Speaker 5: gets there, the killing, the curs We assume they're right,

721
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Speaker 5: body is found there. They have jurisdiction, there's no doubt,

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Speaker 5: but it is dual jurisdiction, so California can and they

723
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Speaker 5: jumped out in front of this pursue it and they

724
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Speaker 5: feel like they can prove it and they're going to

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Speaker 5: convict her. There. I get why people are irrec the moratorium,

726
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Speaker 5: but under the law, this could be pursued in either plot.

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Speaker 3: She was a citizen of California, like you know, California

728
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Speaker 3: is like, hey listen, she's our person, right and this

729
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Speaker 3: was planned here. Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain the word someone doesn't know?

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Speaker 4: Moratorium? Does that mean?

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Speaker 5: Sure? So there's a moratorium on the death penalty, which

733
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Speaker 5: basically says we have forbade or we will not impose

734
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Speaker 5: the death penalty even if it is imposed by a court.

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Speaker 5: We have ceased the imposition of the death penalties or

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Speaker 5: basically I'm using these big Warrior where its basically death

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Speaker 5: will not be carried out.

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Speaker 2: In California specifically, So if she's going to be tried

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Speaker 2: in California, death sentence.

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Speaker 4: Is off the table.

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Speaker 2: If she was just like be tried in the other

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Speaker 2: state where you know, the sweet melody was found, perhaps

743
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Speaker 2: the death penalty would be on the table.

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Speaker 9: That's the big debate, right, The death penalty is on

745
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Speaker 9: the table in both whether or not it's going to

746
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Speaker 9: be carried out. So you could be convicted, get it,

747
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Speaker 9: and not be put to death in California under a miraitorium.

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Speaker 5: So that's the issue.

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Speaker 4: Interesting. But thank you for that, Jared.

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Speaker 6: So as you said that Utah, where the crime, as

751
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Speaker 6: far as we know took place, had jurisdiction, and then

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Speaker 6: you explain why California did as well. Who makes a decision,

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Speaker 6: I mean, if these two like, who's arguing against each

754
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Speaker 6: other the attorney generals.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't know that they are arguing against each other.

756
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure there was a discussion between these

757
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 5: you know, somebody jumps out first and says, look, we

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Speaker 5: have dual jurisdiction. We're going to move forward on the

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Speaker 5: California prosecution. There's definitely a discussion because the most important

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Speaker 5: thing is getting buzzard for this murder. Okay, So if

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Speaker 5: I'm in California, I call Utah and I say, we're

762
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Speaker 5: moving forward. Here's where we're at. You can join us

763
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Speaker 5: at the press conference. There's no like, there's no priority

764
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Speaker 5: jurisdiction here either. So that's what has to happen. I'm

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Speaker 5: sure they let each other know what their intentions were.

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Speaker 6: One more follow up if I may, because this I

767
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 6: don't know. It's strange to me. So Luigi Maanngion. For example,

768
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Speaker 6: the crime he is accused of took place in Manhattan,

769
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Speaker 6: and Mangeon did not live in the state of New York,

770
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Speaker 6: but traveled there. As far as we know in this moment,

771
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Speaker 6: there was planning before, and I believe at the time

772
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Speaker 6: he was living in Hawaii.

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Speaker 4: Does Hawaii have as much jurisdiction in New York.

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Speaker 5: Here's here's the problem. Okay, arguably yes, by what I

775
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 5: said in our assessment of this particular crime. But when

776
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 5: you look at the the Mangione crime itself, the heart

777
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Speaker 5: of it was he hunts down his Brian Thompson in

778
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Speaker 5: New York, he possesses the gun in New York, he

779
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: flees from New York, it's on video in New York,

780
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 5: all of those contacts. The case is best brought in

781
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Speaker 5: New York, not on the other side of the country.

782
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Speaker 5: So there is a determined It's not just about geography,

783
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 5: it's not just about residency. There has to be a

784
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 5: push and pull between these parties to say where does

785
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Speaker 5: it make the most sense to bring the crime, and

786
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Speaker 5: Mangio it's New York. I mean, there's just it's not

787
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 5: a Hawaii kid. You know, Who's to say, Mangio, you'd

788
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 5: have a tougher time provement he was targeting Brian Thompson

789
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Speaker 5: from Hawaii, as opposed to Buzzard who takes Melody, actually

790
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 5: has her in her custody and care from California to Utah,

791
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 5: a whole different situation.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Washington would have had an opportunity to

793
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Speaker 3: be the ones to prosecute Brian Goberger.

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Speaker 5: Yes, arguably, But again, you have a quadruple homicide in Idaho.

795
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Speaker 5: They're gonna want and the evidence and everything. It makes

796
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 5: more sense than idem It's not really a close call there.

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Speaker 4: So this is good. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: And I feel like I was splitting hairs and kind

799
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 6: of going at you, but you help me understand. It

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00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 6: sounds like the sanctity of the case, the prosecution of

801
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 6: the case is.

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Speaker 4: What rules, which actually warms my.

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Speaker 6: Heart, and so do you, and whenever we have you

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00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 6: on the show, all of our hearts are so warm. Jared.

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00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 6: As always, we can't thank you enough. You help us

806
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 6: understand all these major legal developments. Anyone who wants to

807
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 6: find more of Jared, and everyone should. He is on

808
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 6: Instagram at Jared Farentino, and everyone should be pre ordering

809
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 6: his upcoming book on Amazon. It is called Mother's Murders

810
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 6: and Motivation. So thank you, thank you, Thank you, Jared,

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Speaker 6: and keep it here. We have a lot more coming

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Speaker 6: up True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Jared, Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We're talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker

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Speaker 2: with my two most favorite ladies, Courtney Armstrong and Body

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Speaker 2: Move In. If you've missed any of the show, please

817
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: do not fret. You could always catch us right after

818
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 2: as a podcast. And I got to tell you, guys,

819
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Speaker 2: I am just feeling like, Ugh, Jarrett Farantina is the best,

820
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: but more significantly, just being with you guys, it just

821
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Speaker 2: comes my heart. I was a little worked up before

822
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: the show, I really was, and I think we all are.

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Speaker 4: A boy.

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00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: I suddenly like my heart rate is down, and I

825
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: get to see all your faces, Sam and Adam and

826
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Speaker 2: Taha as well, and I just love you guys so much.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sorry that the world feels crazy, but you

828
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Speaker 2: are de crazying me.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 3: And really I'm not going to say anything, you know

831
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: about anything specific, but the world is does seem crazy,

832
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: and we all need to stay coherent insane, and yes,

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00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: you know, to help to help right the way right, yes,

834
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Speaker 3: to help it. Write the ship. We have to write

835
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Speaker 3: the ship and we can.

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Speaker 6: And I swear, and I have said this at least

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00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 6: once before, mister Rogers, look for the helpers, and look

838
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 6: for the helpers, and whatever your situation is, and there

839
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 6: are many situations going on on many levels, and with

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00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 6: all what everything that does go on, there is still good.

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00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, more good than not, right, So true? Yeah, I

842
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: was really feeling tweaked. And if anybody's listening is having

843
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: any of that themselves, you know, we we what do

844
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: they say? We grow together? I know, and let's grow.

845
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: Now it's on and first we have to let go

846
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Speaker 2: to grow. But I think that we know better.

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Speaker 3: Moment of silence.

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Speaker 6: Huh, moment of silence? Listen, should we with that? And

849
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Speaker 6: well said Stephanie Leidecker, And back at you. I think

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00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 6: this our little community comes all of our heart rates

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00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 6: a little bit. But if we want to get our

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00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 6: heart rates revved up, it's the Ohio dentist case that

853
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 6: is going on that is so many questions. Okay, so

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Speaker 6: dentist Spencer Tempe, excuse me, Tepi and his wife Monique

855
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 6: were found fatally shot inside their home in Columbus, Ohio.

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Speaker 6: This is on December thirtieth, so just about eight days

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Speaker 6: ago they were found. There was no weapon left, so

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Speaker 6: murder and suicide in this moment is off the table.

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Speaker 4: Appears to be homicide.

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Speaker 6: There are children who are four and one years old

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Speaker 6: were found inside of the residents, physically unharmed and are

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Speaker 6: now living with extended family well. Most recently, family members

863
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Speaker 6: are refuting claims that a recently released quote domestic dispute

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Speaker 6: nine on one call was made by Monique Teppe.

865
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Speaker 4: You know one of the two victims.

866
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Speaker 6: And so there was a nine one to one call

867
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Speaker 6: placed at two forty five in the morning back on

868
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 6: April of last year, so that's about seven months before

869
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Speaker 6: the homicide occurred. And the way it was quoted into

870
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 6: the system into the nine er one system was a

871
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 6: domestic dispute and it was traced to the Tepee residence.

872
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 6: So in this call, there is a woman crying. She

873
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 6: is repeatedly apologizing to the dispatcher, saying she's simply emotional.

874
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 6: The caller told the dispatcher that she end quote her

875
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 6: man got into it, unquote, but the woman emphasized that

876
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 6: nothing physical occurred. She declined police or paramedic assistance, and

877
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 6: officers who had been initially dispatched back in April were

878
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 6: canceled and never went to the home. So that's the

879
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 6: nine on one call that was released and again traced

880
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 6: to the Tepee home. But family members again, and it

881
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 6: is specifically Rob, who is both Monique and Spencer's brother

882
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 6: in law, has.

883
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: Said that father, there's husband's brother.

884
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 6: I believe is it the husband's brother or the husband's brother,

885
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 6: because I've also see actually, let's get top. You can

886
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 6: get a quick fast check, because I've heard Rob referred

887
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 6: to as the brother in law of both Monique and Spencer,

888
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 6: which would mean that he's married to a sister of.

889
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 4: One of the victims.

890
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 11: Okay, checking right now.

891
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 6: Okay, so he has related in that capacity to the family.

892
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 6: So Rob the brother in law, has said that the

893
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 6: voice on the call was quote one hundred percent not Monique,

894
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 6: and he said the language, the tone, the phrasing used

895
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 6: by the caller didn't match yep, and it didn't match

896
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 6: anyone else he knew. Specifically, he noted that the caller

897
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 6: used my man and as a phrase and that was

898
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 6: now not how the victim, Monique Teppi spoke, which honestly,

899
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 6: those things are indicative. I mean basically, you know, I

900
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 6: think any of you would know me well enough that

901
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 6: that just wouldn't be in my vernacular to say my man.

902
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 4: You would say your husband, though it's not definitely not bodies.

903
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, except for and yeah yeah, yeah, I wouldn't

904
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 2: say that either. But yeah, for sure, you know your friends,

905
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 2: you know your family, and you know how they sort

906
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: of speak, certainly in an emotional moment.

907
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 11: That's right, what I'm saying. Monique Teppy's brother in law

908
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 11: is married to Nique's siblings, so not Spencer's brother.

909
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Tree, So Monique and her beloved husband, the dentist.

910
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 2: Monique has a sister who's married to this person.

911
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 6: Rob right, Rob, So Rob again is brother in law

912
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: to both, which I have to say, in my fam

913
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 6: have a very large extended family. I actually see that

914
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 6: making a lot of sense because you're one step removed,

915
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 6: not sibling. That's exactly right, and can form a coherent sentence,

916
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 6: not to say anything bad about any of the siblings,

917
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 6: but of course an impossibility if you're you know, brother

918
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 6: or sister died, right, So it's.

919
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: Not her that made the call, but it is somebody

920
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: connected to the home or from that home, right, Well.

921
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 4: I mean what, I don't know the answer to that, and.

922
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 6: Now we don't know ye, so the call, although that's

923
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 6: interesting because I mean I feel like they trace those

924
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 6: pretty good.

925
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: It's a cold party. They were having a party or something, so.

926
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 6: It could have just been someone involved and was having

927
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 6: a fight in.

928
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so what do we make of that?

929
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: So it looks like there's some there's some there's more

930
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 2: behind it, and I guess, you know, we were kind

931
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: of questioning and maybe somebody listening has some some theories

932
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: on this that the nine to one one call that

933
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: was placed by you know, one of the friends who

934
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: was really trying to figure out where they were right

935
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: so neither of them were answering their call. Obviously he

936
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: hadn't gone to work as a dentist that day, so

937
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: friends were looking. And how did they find the body?

938
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: Where they in the house?

939
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: Was there had to be open the bedrooms on the

940
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 3: second floor.

941
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 4: The person didn't climb to the balcony.

942
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, or get a ladder and break

943
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: the window. I mean, I don't think it would have

944
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: to come from inside the home. And how did that happen?

945
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 3: How did they get in the home? Was the back

946
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 3: door left open? Is this like a random killer on

947
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: the loose, or you know, did he have the person

948
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: that call on anyone one to have maybe the keypad?

949
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 4: Did the killing bad number apad?

950
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy though? I was watching, Yeah, I look, yeah, yeah,

951
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: they have a keypat on the front door. And the

952
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: fire department that showed up, you know, because of those

953
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 3: wellness check they weren't wearing gloves. It really irritated me

954
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 3: they opened the door. But yeah, there's a big old

955
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 3: key pat on the front door. On the back door,

956
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: it looks like it's just a regular lock, but maybe

957
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 3: you know, you know, Listen, they live in the Midwest.

958
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: Is it possible they just went to bed and forgot

959
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: to lock the back door somebody, I don't listen. There's

960
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 3: two possibilities somebody was in the home already, or three,

961
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: somebody was in the home already, or somebody had the

962
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: keypad code, or they left the back door open.

963
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 2: Please don't leave the back door open, and no matter

964
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: where you live, please, please please. I have worked in

965
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: this business for too long and tier one, the days

966
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: of leaving your back door open while you go to sleep,

967
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: they're over. Just for my own peace of mind, please,

968
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: of course, just just lock the door, shut the window

969
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: if you can too.

970
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 6: I'm curious about the keypad. Is there some data that

971
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 6: they're not? Are they less safe?

972
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe this is a little holdover for me

973
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: personally from the Idaho massacre or the Idaho student murders.

974
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 4: Obviously that house had to keypad.

975
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: It just seems like if you're really paying attention and

976
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: you want to know how to get into somebody's house,

977
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,479
Speaker 2: it's easier to do that. You know, you can see

978
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 2: the code. It's repetitive. People get kind of laissez fair

979
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: with it. They give the number out to people news

980
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: travels fast. Yeah, I think it's probably easier to get

981
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: that than to to find the key or to get

982
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: a copy of a key.

983
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 4: I could be wrong.

984
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: This is just my Yeah, I was legitimately based on nothing,

985
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: but I just feel like I work on cases where

986
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm always like, why the keypad?

987
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 4: Feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong.

988
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, you can always hit us on the talkback

989
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 6: so you can go to the iHeartRadio app and then

990
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 6: upper right hand corner you just press on the little

991
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 6: microphone icon and yeah, we'd love to hear from you.

992
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 6: And we also love it when you call in. And

993
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 6: we have a caller now, Michelle.

994
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 4: Hi, Michelle, Welcome to the show.

995
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 10: Hello everyone, Hi everybody, Thank you so much.

996
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 12: I one, I had a question about the Uvalde case.

997
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 12: I'm a school teacher and socustance of obviously very near

998
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,479
Speaker 12: and dear give me this case. And I was thinking

999
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 12: about the teacher's testimony, and so could it be a

1000
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 12: possibility that the teacher did not disclose the location of

1001
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 12: where she saw the shooter because no one asked directly, Yes,

1002
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 12: I see, civilian.

1003
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 10: You know, she's happened right after trauma, and you know

1004
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 10: she's getting the account and probably just you know, disjointed order,

1005
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 10: and she just didn't think that was you know, maybe

1006
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 10: she even thought she said it already.

1007
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: But Ma, Michelle, to me, that would happen to me too.

1008
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: So in the cross examination that I read earlier, the

1009
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: prosecutor or, I'm sorry the defense asked the prosecutor. He said,

1010
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 3: neither the prosecutor nor anyone in the room thought to

1011
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 3: ask her, where did you see the shooter? That wasn't

1012
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: a question that came up in anyone's mind. So yes,

1013
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 3: they did not ask her. I mean that way, but

1014
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: the question gives me to so traumatized. Imagine Michelle. Sure,

1015
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: thankfully you've never been in as or.

1016
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 4: I pray you haven't. And by the way, hats off

1017
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 4: to you as a school teacher.

1018
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 2: We love our school teachers, the most important job on

1019
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: the planet, the most under.

1020
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 4: Underappreciated at times.

1021
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: And just know that we we we love you for

1022
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: that work. But yeah, you're in a traumatic situation. You're

1023
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: completely overwhelmed by the way you probably assume that police

1024
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: officers or whomever there was many there have already identified

1025
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: the placement, et cetera. So what and when that's not

1026
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: top of mind. You've just survived something, You're trying to

1027
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: gain your thoughts, and you know.

1028
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 4: I can't imagine how difficult that must be. I'm with you.

1029
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: I think that maybe she just assumed either she had

1030
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: said it or or you know, just wasn't asked.

1031
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 6: The onus wasn't on her to provide, It was on

1032
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 6: the investigators to ask. And what universe is anyone saying

1033
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 6: I was on the south side of any building.

1034
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 4: I don't even know what that means. Yeah, I couldn't

1035
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 4: tell you in my house exactly. Yeah, good point, Michelle.

1036
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: From the questioning Thank you Michelle for the call, by

1037
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 3: the way, we really really appreciate you calling in. But yeah,

1038
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: from the tone and the wording that the defense used

1039
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 3: to ask the prosecutor, it does seem like they never

1040
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 3: asked her. And that's when the prosecutor responded, why are

1041
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: you being so nitpicky? M Yeah, So that's what it

1042
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: looks like. Show's accessful story.

1043
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: We have to talk about it so much, but it's

1044
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: so heartbreaking because I can only imagine every you know,

1045
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: those teachers who are putting their lives on the line,

1046
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: and the children's parents.

1047
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 4: I mean, god, this says just it's a hole that

1048
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 4: never gets filled, right, right.

1049
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 3: So I have an update to on the Brown shooter,

1050
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna make this. I'm gonna make this quick.

1051
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to make this quick. So tonight, well,

1052
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: I keep all my stories keep getting like like, you know, uh,

1053
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 3: two minutes left, I've gotta go. No, no, no, it's fine,

1054
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: it's just okay. So the authorities have released confession videos,

1055
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: the transcripts from the the good Okay, now I'm all frazzled.

1056
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 3: The shooter at Brown University. His name is Claudio Nevis.

1057
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 3: He committed suicide right well, he released or he filmed

1058
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Speaker 3: four videos like confessing, and authorities have released a series

1059
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Speaker 3: of these confession videos. Okay, So the shooter his name again,

1060
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Speaker 3: He's Claudio Valente. He recorded four confession videos in Portuguese

1061
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: at the storage facility. He was out.

1062
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Speaker 4: Wow.

1063
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

1064
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 3: So he was later found dead at that storage facility.

1065
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Speaker 3: So English translated transcripts were released by the US Attorney's office,

1066
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 3: and he admitted to the Brown university and the MIT shootings,

1067
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Speaker 3: but he did not apologize or offer any motive. In fact,

1068
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 3: he only gave vague references to grievances, and he said,

1069
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm not going to apologize because during my lifetime, no

1070
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 3: one sincerely apologized to me. He's indignant about it. It's

1071
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 3: very weird. He does say though, that it is it

1072
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 3: was hard as hell. I'm using quotes to kill other people,

1073
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Speaker 3: and that he envied people who have no difficulty doing it.

1074
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 3: I thought that was very crazy to this.

1075
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Speaker 2: Guy had like a grudge match for decades, and it's

1076
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Speaker 2: pretty scary.

1077
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Speaker 4: Yes, he said he's been.

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Speaker 3: Guiding this for six semesters, which is three years. Can

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Speaker 3: you believe it?

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Speaker 2: And again, like his crossover seems to be from twenty

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01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: years ago to even getting his education there if I'm

1082
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: not mistaken, So this is like there, it seems so senseless.

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Speaker 2: I even did say too that the students you know,

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Speaker 2: probably could have escaped.

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01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of, he kind.

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Speaker 6: Of, let's finish this up, body, no need to rush

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Speaker 6: through this. I think we'll come back to this and

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Speaker 6: just finish up after the break. And then we also

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01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 6: have a deep dive into a jail. So dangerous judges

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01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 6: hesitate to send people there.

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Speaker 4: Keep it here, yeah, keep it here.

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Speaker 6: True Crime Tonight, where we are talking true crime all

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Speaker 6: the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: and Body. We're talking about the the recent developments and

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01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: the release of the kind of a confession tape in

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01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: forese by the brown shooter. But even as we come

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Speaker 2: on the air right now, we're all getting alert. Body,

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Speaker 2: this is another active shooter. Yeah, so there there's an

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Speaker 2: active shooter in Salt Lake City. Two people have been

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: killed and others are injured after a shooting at a

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Speaker 2: church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints in Salt

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Speaker 2: Lake City. The police department spokesman, his name is Glenn Mills,

1105
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: said there are at least eight victims. Two have died,

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Speaker 2: three are in critical condition, and three others are an

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Speaker 2: unknown condition. Mills said some of the victims were taken

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Speaker 2: by private vehicle to local hospital. Multiple units are unseen

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Speaker 2: near seven hundred North Redwood Road. According to the police

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Speaker 2: chief Mills, there was a funeral going on at the

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01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: church when the incident took place, and there was some

1112
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 2: kind of altercation in the parking lot that led to

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01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 2: the shooting. We don't know all the literally just happening.

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 4: It's just happening in real time.

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Speaker 3: Ye responders have arrived on the scene. I'm just trying

1116
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 3: to go through let me read. I'm just scrolling Twitter.

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01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 5: You know.

1118
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 3: The shooting suspects. Oh, the shooting suspects fled in an

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01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: unknown vehicle and at this time, police are working to

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Speaker 3: determine the number of suspects. The suspect vehicle description is

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01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 3: pretty vague at this point, but it was last seen

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Speaker 3: going north on Redwood Road. The search is currently centered

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01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 3: around the five hundred north to seven hundred north on

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Speaker 3: Redwood Road. And I know that we have an affiliate

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Speaker 3: in SLC and our hearts are with you and we

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Speaker 3: hope that you are safe. And if you are near there,

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Speaker 3: please hunker down and stay safe.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, hunker down, stay safe. And I just

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Speaker 6: wanted to add that the police are asking that if

1130
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Speaker 6: anyone saw anything or has video or any information, that

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Speaker 6: you should please contact officials, you know, call call your

1132
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 6: local police officers.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that, because that's important. Yeah, just nine

1134
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 3: one one, call, you know, like right away.

1135
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Oh my goodness, I know, everybody to take a

1136
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 4: deep breath.

1137
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: And again, our hearts are also in Minnesota with everybody

1138
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: struggling there. I mean, it's just a tricky night. So

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.

1140
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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm that frog in the plot.

1141
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 4: No, you are not the frog.

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01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 6: I know.

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01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 2: Right before we went on air, you know, Body has

1144
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: her favorite West Wing story that she always shares, and

1145
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,959
Speaker 2: just before we went on air, I was like, please

1146
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 2: tell me the story. Please tell me the story, because

1147
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: I was a bit of a puddle of tears. And

1148
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: it works, and you're not alone, and nobody listening is

1149
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: as well. And yeah, it's so you know, anxiety inducing

1150
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: and our little nervous systems kind of can't take it.

1151
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know we can all you can all

1152
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: pray and and send you know, lots of love and

1153
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 2: well wishes.

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Speaker 6: While that because that is all of the information that

1155
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 6: is available in this moment on that. Should we I

1156
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 6: wish I could say should we switch to happier topics,

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01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 6: but Body, it was very important what you were laying out,

1158
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 6: and that is information that has come out in the

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01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 6: series of confession videos that were made by the Brown

1160
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 6: and Mit shooter before his suicide, so you and by.

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01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: The way, yeah, I was going to say the lead

1162
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: to that is something that I think we should just

1163
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: all say. The grudge part of it, right, this this shooter,

1164
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: for in the Brown and Mit case that we were

1165
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 2: just discussing, it seems like this guy was carrying a

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01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: grudge like a resentment for decades. That's so unhealthy and

1167
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: it fuels such terrible things and in this case pure violence.

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Speaker 6: And one body you already said this, but the shooter

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01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 6: in one of the you know, the videos he taped

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Speaker 6: before he took his own life, was I'm not going

1171
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 6: to apologize because during my lifetime no one sincerely apologized

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01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 6: to me, which Stephanie, I think just underlines what you said.

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01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 6: And honestly, having we all spent sort of the past

1174
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 6: few months speaking to different experts about a lot of

1175
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 6: male deep seated resentment is becoming more prevalent and it

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01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 6: is ending literally that kind of resentment and feeling put

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Speaker 6: upon festers and then is turning to outward violence.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy left the country.

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Speaker 2: You know, students when he was a student back in

1181
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 2: the day had said that, you know, he was brilliant,

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01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: he was maybe the smartest guy in the room, but

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01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: he was the guy that had to always be right.

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Speaker 2: He was like the I'm paraphrasing, but kind of the

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01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: you know one upper or if somebody else, you know,

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: thought they had the answer, he typically would have the answer,

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01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 2: but he had to always be like the right one and.

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Speaker 4: A little bit.

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Speaker 2: And then some kind of situation happens and he goes

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Speaker 2: to Portugal, maybe doesn't reach his highest potential or at

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: least the highest potential that he saw for himself. And

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Speaker 2: can you imagine a lifetime later, Frankly, you come back,

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01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: you get a storage facility for three years while you're

1194
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:21,839
Speaker 2: plotting this random, terrible murder of three human beings.

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Speaker 3: Right. He said he had been planning the attacks for

1196
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Speaker 3: more than six semesters and he had that storage facility

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01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,879
Speaker 3: for three years while he was planning.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And he said he was going to attempt at multiple times,

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Speaker 3: but he checked out.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 3: The one thing he did say he the audacity of

1203
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 3: this man. He criticized students for hiding rather than using

1204
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 3: the emergency cell the exit Sorr. I sell that it's

1205
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 3: like even in his last moments, he was like one

1206
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: upping people. It seem you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just it's very annoying to me, these people and the.

1208
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 2: Fact that he know obviously is leaving this sort of

1209
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, message behind, you know, even as he's going

1210
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: to take his own life in this storage facility.

1211
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 4: You guys may have missed it because.

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01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: Hopefully your phones were off as we head out into

1213
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: the holidays. This goes back a few weeks now, and

1214
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 2: you know, there was a standoff and you know, so

1215
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 2: many police were at the scene, and sure enough he

1216
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 2: had already taken his life and had been in there

1217
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 2: for a bit. But he obviously left this message behind

1218
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: because he wanted the notoriety, like there's this like make

1219
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: me famous from doing bad things.

1220
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Speaker 3: Right, But he did say that he didn't want that.

1221
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 3: Of course he's saying it, but he was a big message.

1222
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: And like the little riddle that you're leaving for people

1223
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: after your death is exactly the opposite of that. Despite

1224
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: you didn't want to be famous, why don't you make

1225
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: the world better with that big brain of yours. Instead

1226
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: you're going to take the live senselessly of people and

1227
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 2: then leave some coward message. Nobody apologized to you, So

1228
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: come on, so he said.

1229
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 3: Though during the attack, one thing I thought was interesting

1230
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: was that he sustained a serious eye injury. He got

1231
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 3: hit by one of the shelves and it made him

1232
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 3: stop and leave like he couldn't he couldn't carry it out,

1233
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 3: which I thought was pretty pretty interesting. And he also

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01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 3: didn't provide any explanation at all for shooting the MIT

1235
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 3: professor nun Barrio uh The specifically, although they did attend

1236
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 3: the same university in Portugal. Remember that I that we

1237
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 3: had talked about with them, they write both physics, right.

1238
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 6: And also that that also did not take if I'm

1239
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 6: remembering correctly, and I believe I am, that did not

1240
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,879
Speaker 6: take place at mi T the school that was at

1241
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 6: his house. Yeah, so you know, he just didn't choose

1242
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 6: to say what the connection was. He didn't randomly knock on,

1243
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 6: didn't the guy's door that he went to school with

1244
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 6: in Portugal.

1245
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 13: Right.

1246
01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 3: He also refuted online rumors that Laura Luma started saying

1247
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 3: that he shouted a la a lock bar repeatedly, and

1248
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 3: he didn't also deny being mentally ill. Yeah, so very interesting.

1249
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,480
Speaker 3: He emphasized he had no desire for fame or manifesto,

1250
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: stating that his goal was to leave on his own

1251
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 3: terms manifesto.

1252
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 4: What's the difference?

1253
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 3: What's yourself?

1254
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1255
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 4: Me a break?

1256
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 3: It's a you know, video manifesto. It's the same thing, exactly,

1257
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 3: It's literally the same thing. So he mentioned preparing three emails.

1258
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 3: This is interesting and I don't know how to I

1259
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 3: don't really know what to take of this. He mentioned

1260
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 3: preparing three emails after the shootings, with federal authorities continuing

1261
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 3: to investigate his planning mindset and remaining questions about motive.

1262
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 3: These three emails, who did he send them to? What

1263
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 3: did they say? Why haven't somebody come forward to Oh

1264
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,799
Speaker 3: my god, I got this email? What are these three emails?

1265
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 2: He had a real creepy way about him too, obviously

1266
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 2: knowing what we know now when you look back, he

1267
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 2: has sort of this penguin kind of sinister vibe to him.

1268
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 4: Right.

1269
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 3: So I'm going to wrap this up with, you know,

1270
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 3: letting people know who the victims were, because I think that,

1271
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 3: you know, is very important. So on December fifteenth, twenty

1272
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 3: twenty five, Claudio Nuevez Valente killed two Brown University students,

1273
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 3: Ella Cook and Mohammed Uzzi's Immerzakov during a mass shooting

1274
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 3: in Providence, Rhode Island at Brown University. And now that is.

1275
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: Is that?

1276
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 4: May they rest in peace?

1277
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like I would like to do

1278
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: some paint by numbers court.

1279
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 4: Is that an option? Can we get a little group

1280
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 4: paint by numbers going? Or what I mean?

1281
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: We need a group some you know, I might have

1282
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 3: not appreciated taking a shot.

1283
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 4: It right with me?

1284
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: Let's do a shot of something and start doing some watercolors.

1285
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 4: What's what's choice? Is it candy? Is it bourbon? They

1286
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 4: know I'm like running.

1287
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 11: Over well, I Sam and Adam can shift gears so

1288
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 11: we can go to a nice talk back that could

1289
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 11: lighten the mood and change the energy.

1290
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 13: Because I had producer and I just wanted to say, body,

1291
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 13: I'm so glad that you brought up those tiktoks of

1292
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 13: the bottles filled with marbles rolling down the stairs, because

1293
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 13: when you guys were talking about your favorite like satisfying

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Speaker 13: TikTok brain rot videos, that was the first one that

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01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 13: came to mind. And I also love the hydraulic press videos,

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01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 13: which is exactly what it sounds like. I love those

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01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,440
Speaker 13: items being pushed by a hydraulic press and it's so satisfying.

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01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, especially when they're squishy like a ball

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01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 3: to look at.

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01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 11: They're so good.

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 3: I love the hydraulic press ones like they'll put like

1302
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 3: a teddy bear or like a rubber teddy bear, let's say,

1303
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 3: and then a hydraulic press comes down and then the

1304
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 3: teddy bear that whatever just kind of.

1305
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 4: Like bloops it kind of bloops.

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 3: Out, and I just, I don't know, it's very satisfying.

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 6: That reminds me of back in like two thousand and

1308
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 6: six and two thousand and seven, there was can I

1309
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 6: Blend It? And people were blending like very it was

1310
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 6: a very big deal at that I remember that moment.

1311
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 11: Of time blending, like just throwing any any items.

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 6: On a phone, a you know, hand of soup, A

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01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 6: that's you know, in a case.

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 3: Let's not make that a trend again.

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01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 4: Please please, no, no, no, no no. That was some special guy.

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01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 6: And anyway, just that what you're talking about squishing teddy bears.

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, but.

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01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 6: I did, Okay, I also watched today for the first time.

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01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 4: Rock Cleaning.

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 6: I did, and that I can understand the satisfaction level.

1321
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 6: Though it was very I had to scrub through. It

1322
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 6: was very long, but it was very sa What I

1323
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 6: saw was like beautifully shot too, but very satisfying. But

1324
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 6: the videos of the glass jars going downstairs very unsatisfying

1325
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 6: to me.

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01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 4: Maybe I watched the wrong ones. Maybe it's no.

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 3: It really depends on I mean, I don't like all

1328
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 3: of them either. I don't like all the different genres

1329
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 3: of visual things either. But you know, yeah, I do

1330
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,560
Speaker 3: like the marbles on the stairs because I like to

1331
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 3: Here's here's why I like it. It's not satisfying. I

1332
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 3: like to play a game how many stairs can the

1333
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 3: glass bottle go down before it breaks it? And it

1334
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 3: depends on how big it is, you know the how

1335
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 3: how dense it is, how big the but you know

1336
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 3: how thick the glass is, how many marbles are in

1337
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 3: So I really quickly have to go okay, two three stairs,

1338
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 3: and if I get it right, I get a little

1339
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 3: I get a little tasty treat. I reward myself.

1340
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 6: I think the mom brain in me was too strong,

1341
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 6: because all I kept thinking was I hope people are

1342
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 6: wearing protective glasses.

1343
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 2: Because you just have the words out of my mouth.

1344
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, it sounds like a real desert. Why are

1345
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: you guys watching this like crash.

1346
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 4: In the making. Who's gonna walk on this?

1347
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 3: Next me.

1348
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 2: Rolling out of bed with barefoot, not paying attention to

1349
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 2: all the glass at the bottom of the stairs and.

1350
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 4: The only slips on. This is like home alone.

1351
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: This is a sabotage that I'd hate to be a

1352
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 2: home intruder in body's house.

1353
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 10: Never would happened.

1354
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 5: What do you think?

1355
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 11: Do we have time for one more quick one?

1356
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 4: All right, hi, ladies.

1357
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 14: The diamond painting we call it in Pennsylvania we call

1358
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 14: it diamond art.

1359
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:44,799
Speaker 4: Listen.

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01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 14: It is the coolest, most meditative calming thing. If you

1361
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 14: have any kind of anxiety, it takes the anxiety way

1362
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 14: and you're left with this beautiful artwork.

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01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 6: My friend Heley did that in fact now, oh my goodness, Okay,

1364
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 6: I just pulled it up right now, and holy.

1365
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 4: Cow, oh wow.

1366
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 6: Is one of the first things I came upon is

1367
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 6: a bee diamond painting kit for adults and it is

1368
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 6: this beautiful, lush like bees on honeycombs.

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01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, my cousin Jill is super into it. I think

1370
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 3: she sells them like she does them and she sells them.

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01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you're friended.

1372
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 4: That's Dolly party.

1373
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: And it's late but Dolly Parton surrounded by a rainbow.

1374
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,480
Speaker 3: I love Dolly Parton, and it's all these little beautiful diamonds.

1375
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:40,879
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's incredible.

1376
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 6: I need it for that hot tip and taking us

1377
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 6: out of our tears.

1378
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 4: Listen, stick around.

1379
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 6: We've got we've got more coming up. Unsure of what

1380
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 6: it will be, but we've got some talkbacks for sure.

1381
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 6: Keep it her True Crime Tonight, We're talking true crime

1382
01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 6: all the time.

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01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeart Radio. We're

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01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lydecker here

1385
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and body moving. My face is so

1386
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 2: raw right now. I'm very sorry that you all have

1387
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 2: to be staring at me this way.

1388
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 4: But for what it's worried. It kind of hurts as

1389
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 4: bad as it looks. That does what means it's being effective.

1390
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 4: That's good. I hope. I wish you pain and step Yeah,

1391
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 4: you think.

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01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 11: You can't see that it's not that bad when you're

1393
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 11: looking at really.

1394
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 4: It's not good.

1395
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 3: Well, I think your guys are so crazy. Don't lie her.

1396
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 4: I are so biased.

1397
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 3: Thank you. Her classes are Take your glasses. Take your

1398
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 3: glasses off.

1399
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 4: Now you can see it.

1400
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 11: You see what I'm saying.

1401
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 3: I don't lie to her.

1402
01:18:53,520 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 4: I mean, yeas, Stephanie's in a hat, like I want

1403
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 4: to go in a burglaring spree.

1404
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 2: Right after the show, I promised, like, well, can you

1405
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 2: imagine me trying to be a burglar.

1406
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:06,799
Speaker 4: I'm so kletzy.

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01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 6: You're so clumsiest, the messiest most. I was like, is

1408
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 6: that a cake on the Calgary? Then we have a

1409
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 6: quick slice. So he's so clumsy. We went into one

1410
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 6: meeting and it was wicked important. I don't remember where,

1411
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 6: but I know we were like it was important, and

1412
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 6: she walked in, I don't know, tripped and fell through

1413
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 6: the wall.

1414
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I was very very nervous.

1415
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: I feel like I just sweat through my leather jacket

1416
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 2: and I like sat in the like I sat down

1417
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 2: in an imaginary chair like I sat now there was

1418
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: no chair, and I hit my head in my head

1419
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: left a dent in the wall.

1420
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah.

1421
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 2: And then it was like, yeah, everything's cool anyway, So

1422
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: here's the show we're pitching, and like had to pretend

1423
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: like it was normal.

1424
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 4: And I saw like doves over my head.

1425
01:19:59,320 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 4: They made made me.

1427
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: Sign the dents on these because they were like, dude,

1428
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 2: you just left a dent in the wall.

1429
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 4: My head is big and.

1430
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 6: Hard, So STEP's not kidding when she said she's clumsy.

1431
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 4: I believe it. I trip over my.

1432
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 2: Own two feet and do all the time. I'm like,

1433
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 2: I just want to knock my teeth out. Anything else

1434
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 2: I can handle?

1435
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 4: Do you know? Okay, I'm actually curious about this.

1436
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 6: Step Unless this has changed, Stephanie Lydecker has never had

1437
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,919
Speaker 6: a cavity.

1438
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 4: I've never had a cold.

1439
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: Exactly. I can't see, I can't hear. I grind my

1440
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: teeth and I lost my retainer, but I can't wear

1441
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: that at night.

1442
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 4: But I yeah, I don't have any cavities. Beautiful a

1443
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,839
Speaker 4: cavity ever? Yeah, is anyone else in that boat? Remotely?

1444
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 3: I have a full mouth of implants. I have a

1445
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 3: single tooth in my head.

1446
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 4: They're so good though it looks you wouldn't know.

1447
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 3: I mean they I really love my teeth. Yeah, incredible,

1448
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 3: but yeah, they're screwed in see. Oh no, wow, you

1449
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 3: have to adjust that if you have, like I have

1450
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 3: to go every year. No, but I have to go

1451
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 3: every year and they take them out and clean them

1452
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 3: and put them and it's crazy. It's literally like a

1453
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 3: drill that gets them out. And when they when they

1454
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 3: take them out and put them back in, it feels

1455
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 3: like my jaw is going to crack, you know that

1456
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 3: that feet that feeling, And I'm like the whole time,

1457
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, care you just knock me out? But yeah,

1458
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 3: it's pretty it's pretty devastating for those couple of hours

1459
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 3: when I don't have any deta do you take uh?

1460
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 6: First of all, I would really beg you to send

1461
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 6: a picture that I promise I won't share of you

1462
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 6: without your teeth.

1463
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 3: I actually documented the entire process on TikTok you did

1464
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 3: because I wanted other people to know, like, you know,

1465
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 3: it happens. You know, you you you might get into

1466
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 3: an accident, you might lose your teeth gradical reasons. You know,

1467
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 3: there's a lot of reasons people lose their teeth. And

1468
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 3: I don't think that you should be ashamed of it,

1469
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 3: you know, for getting it fixed. And you know, there's

1470
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 3: there's things out there that you can do to have

1471
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 3: a great smile and eat good and you know.

1472
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 11: I have I have one of my front teeth is

1473
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 11: a fake one because it was chipped when I was young,

1474
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 11: when it was little it was they did the you know,

1475
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,919
Speaker 11: the square dances where you take your partners.

1476
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I feel like I've seen this photo with

1477
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 4: a tooth.

1478
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 5: Is that possible?

1479
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: The cutest photo you've ever seen is very the little

1480
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 2: chip tooth, and I'm picturing you in that outfit.

1481
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 11: I have to think about how you saw that. But anyway,

1482
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 11: but the end part of the story is there was

1483
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 11: a girl in the class that hated me. We disliked

1484
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 11: each other. I was paired with her and then they

1485
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,799
Speaker 11: did the square dance they have to take your partner.

1486
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 11: She lifted her arm. I would fly into a wall,

1487
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,959
Speaker 11: chip my tooth, and so don't.

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01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 3: I wish that woman wilty salads for like she stubs

1489
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 3: her toe tonight itching.

1490
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 11: So did you have to have I did?

1491
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1492
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 4: Escalate, get it filed.

1493
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 11: They had to sort of file it down. It looks

1494
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 11: awful to body with they took it out. It's just

1495
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 11: one empty tooth that was horrible there. So it just

1496
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 11: looks like a there's like a little i don't know,

1497
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 11: former two like a point, a point to put the

1498
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 11: thing on top of. I'm sharing so much right now

1499
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 11: that I've never.

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01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: You're talking to everyone off.

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01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I think we're safe. We're very safe.

1502
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm only asking for pictures and videos because I'm like,

1503
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 6: what's next for me?

1504
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 4: So god?

1505
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know they do say you lose a tooth,

1506
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: it's good luck and that means money's coming. So really,

1507
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: I hope, Yeah, let it rain.

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01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got good calcium, You've got good something stuffed

1509
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 3: and every.

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01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 2: Something we count our small blessings, right, Like I said,

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01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 2: that's literally and.

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01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 4: I'm deaf in one ear and you can't anything.

1513
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I'm allergic said literally everything, And in

1514
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 2: this exact moment, my entire faces burnt off.

1515
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 4: So you know, yes, I actually haven't had a cavity.

1516
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 11: So you have no cavity? Perfect a great smile? Oh

1517
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 11: you're exactly what else will make you smile? Courtney? I

1518
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 11: know we were just talking a little earlier about a

1519
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 11: Diddy story. Yeah, sure, we'll make a Stephanie smile.

1520
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1521
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 6: So Critics' Choice Awards, which I didn't see because it

1522
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 6: was this past Sunday when we were on air, but

1523
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 6: Chelsea Handler hosted, and of course she used to date

1524
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 6: Fitty Cent and she actually had a pretty funny joke

1525
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 6: about your boy Sean Ditty Combs, so she mentioned that, oh.

1526
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 4: Hold on, I just lost so those two used to date.

1527
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 2: Indy Cis, as you guys know, was the executive producer

1528
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 2: of the most recent document Henery about Diddy.

1529
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 6: That's exactly right, and he has downplayed his.

1530
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 4: Diddy, his feud with or Fitty has downplayed with.

1531
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 5: Boy.

1532
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 4: I really set this joke up.

1533
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 6: Great, It's okay, well, Chelsea Hamiler said, and it was

1534
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 6: funny at the time. The cast of K pop Demon

1535
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 6: Hunter is here, not to be confused with Netflix's other

1536
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 6: music movie.

1537
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 4: Fitty said Diddy Hunter.

1538
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 2: I just saw this article because Taha, you and I

1539
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 2: were talking about this earlier.

1540
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 4: What is his name?

1541
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: The guy that was in the documentary who was sort

1542
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 2: of mocking Diddy's ability to rap Mark Curry like Mark

1543
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: Curry exactly, and he was basically like, did he can't

1544
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: wrap a present, let alone an actual rap song? And

1545
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 2: he wrote the lyrics to some of the most famous ones.

1546
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: He kind of sang it for himself in the doc

1547
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 2: You may remember he's basically coming out to basically say

1548
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 2: what I've long suspected is that did he was in

1549
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 2: fact tape in all kinds of you know, parties, as

1550
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 2: we know those freakofs that it wasn't just his girlfriends

1551
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 2: or ex girlfriends that there were, in fact, you know,

1552
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: some high powered people and celebrities that were being blackmailed

1553
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 2: with those videos for political power. And he believes that

1554
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 2: will still come out in that all of the celebs

1555
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 2: and people in those freakoff tapes got real quiet because

1556
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 2: they were paid off.

1557
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 4: I did see that.

1558
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, that's been my personal working

1559
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 2: theory based on nothing that the trial really suggested. You know,

1560
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: we were all looking for those The names were big too.

1561
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to perpetuate them, but there were a

1562
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 2: lot of them.

1563
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 6: But the hinted at accusation that you're referring to that

1564
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 6: Curry made I believe one was. Oh, for a wild example,

1565
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 6: he said, if you had something on someone very high

1566
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 6: up in the NFL, then maybe you get to control

1567
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 6: the content of the super.

1568
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 4: Bowl for a bunch of years. Can you believe it?

1569
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 2: And you know that's sort of throwing a little bit

1570
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: of a dig at Jay Z allegedly allegedly allegedly since

1571
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: he's you know, super Bowl related, So fifty cent, I

1572
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 2: don't say it cool, fittycent. Fitty cent has intimated that

1573
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: there will in fact be a second documentary.

1574
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 4: We don't know what the deal is with it, but

1575
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 4: I have to agree.

1576
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 2: I think those freak offs were being videotaped and it

1577
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 2: went real hush. And you know that some of the

1578
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: names it was like the the Justin Bieber's or the

1579
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 2: not that any of them were doing sexy inappropriate things,

1580
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 2: but those parties were pretty infamous, with a lot of

1581
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 2: big names at them, and by the time the trial

1582
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 2: came around, it got real quiet.

1583
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 4: Nobody came to his defense.

1584
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 2: Nobody stood up for Diddia single person, not one stood

1585
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 2: up for Diddy.

1586
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 4: It was just crickets.

1587
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 11: We didn't even je me. But they videotaped those freakofs though,

1588
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 11: because like you said earlier, like he had cameras following

1589
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 11: him constantly because he was just sort of a narcissist.

1590
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,719
Speaker 11: And also didn't they show some of the the trial.

1591
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 4: I thought it was.

1592
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 11: Awful because his kids had to see. He was sitting

1593
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 11: there and they saw some of it.

1594
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 4: So that's right.

1595
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 11: It's clear that these things were videotaped at some point,

1596
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 11: and you know, the celebrity ones probably oh yeah, and by.

1597
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:32,719
Speaker 4: The way, if you're a celebrity.

1598
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 2: He's being associated with this, whether you were participating in

1599
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 2: a freak off or otherwise.

1600
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, you're like throw some.

1601
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 2: Real money at that, you want the pr to make

1602
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 2: that go away, and that is how it happened, so

1603
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 2: we're told. So yeah, I think there's a little bit

1604
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 2: more to come on that. And allegedly he's he's really

1605
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 2: tight on cash. And I think you mentioned this the

1606
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 2: other night that on uh I guess this is a

1607
01:28:55,120 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 2: streamer or something Zeus that Justin and the other sun

1608
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 2: i'spacing on his name right now.

1609
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 6: They have their kind of clash back Justin and Christian Combs.

1610
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 6: It's going to be on the Zeus network or is

1611
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 6: their trailer He's coming out? But yeah, they're getting the

1612
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 6: docuseries treatment.

1613
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: Or the actual trailer was just them reacting to like

1614
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 2: a trail like a TV So do they actually shoot

1615
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 2: a documentary or they're just made a trailer?

1616
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1617
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 6: On Sunday night, Zeos Network released the trailer for the

1618
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 6: forthcoming series and the release is just slated for some

1619
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 6: time in twenty twenty six, and that's according to the

1620
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 6: network's Instagram page.

1621
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 2: So like they make a doc they say they're going

1622
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 2: to make a dock basically, and they release a trailer

1623
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 2: that they shoot first. Typically you would make the dock

1624
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 2: and then you make a trailer from.

1625
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 4: All the footage you shot. I don't know, we'll see.

1626
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 2: I just something smells fishy and I'm just curious. Well,

1627
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: the fifty month sentence that did is currently serving, have

1628
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 2: you know, be affected at all by these accusations that

1629
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: Fitty Scent has thrown.

1630
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,600
Speaker 11: His way, Let's hope, because I feel like it's not

1631
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:17,719
Speaker 11: enough time for what he's what he's done. So we'll see,

1632
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 11: but I don't know. We're going to keep an eye

1633
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 11: out for that one.

1634
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 4: Well he's done.

1635
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 6: And I actually just not that I need residual madness,

1636
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 6: but apparently it exists somewhere in me because when you

1637
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 6: said not enough time, I remember being so believing, so

1638
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 6: firmly that the judge was going to give a larger sentence,

1639
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 6: because that was what he indicated going in and saying

1640
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 6: that this needed to be done to the extent of

1641
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 6: the law. And you know, and and that just the

1642
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 6: case you feel like, oh, here we go.

1643
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 11: Yes, you know it's going to be awful, and it's

1644
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 11: this amount of.

1645
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 6: Time from the judge's own mouth. That was a bummer

1646
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 6: to me. And remember how confident did he was.

1647
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 2: You know, he was like holding the Bible and dressed

1648
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 2: like Bill Cosby, and he was really like playing it

1649
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 2: up and like you know, being he was pretty confident

1650
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 2: in those final days awaiting his actual sentencing. And according

1651
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 2: to this article, and again this is alleged, and this

1652
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 2: was this one man's opinion, but you know, he was

1653
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 2: close to the source of Diddy and in the world

1654
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 2: that he felt like did he was pretty confident he

1655
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 2: was going to get off because money talks, and he

1656
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 2: was using some of this blackmail for politics and high

1657
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: power as the playbook.

1658
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 5: Right.

1659
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 3: Well, I think he's used to getting his way, right,

1660
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 3: He's always getting his way. And remember he compared himself

1661
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 3: to like Jesus Christ. Yes, you know, so of course

1662
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 3: he was confident. He's gotten away with it forever. His

1663
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 3: whole life's so sobern it's so hard.

1664
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 2: In like day three, he's getting bootlegs.

1665
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I just I feel like it's, you know,

1666
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 3: kind of something that he expected. Yeah, I know that

1667
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 3: he was confident for a reason.

1668
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 2: For kim Porter, we still need just his wife and again,

1669
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 2: you know her first you know, the one of the

1670
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 2: child's father who's the famous rapper body. You love this person, all,

1671
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 2: be sure Alby Sure, he's out there, loud and clear

1672
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 2: saying there was something fishy about her death and he

1673
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 2: believes that didys did he's doing he looks.

1674
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 3: By the way, he looks so good. I was gonna say, really,

1675
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,440
Speaker 3: that's not.

1676
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 2: I love Alvi Suore as much as Courtney arms Strong

1677
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 2: loves kirk nermy the Defense.

1678
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 4: No, I just think he looks.

1679
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I I love that he's also

1680
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 3: fighting for kim Porter. But I was just like really

1681
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 3: stunned to see how good he looks. I mean, he

1682
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 3: looks amazing.

1683
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 4: By the way. He almost died.

1684
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 2: Remember he had that mysterious illness that he claims and

1685
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 2: he tried to kill him.

1686
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:57,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, poison, Yeah, there's smoke, there's fire, there's something there,

1687
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 3: there's something there's go die on the hill.

1688
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. Same here. I'm with you. I don't want you

1689
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 4: to die though, so I.

1690
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 2: But it's been a long Listen, I'm so glad to

1691
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 2: have been here with you guys. Thank you for all

1692
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 2: of all of your great nest period excellent reporting, and

1693
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 2: of course you're at Tarantino, you are the best. At

1694
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: least by the way, the guy was coming for two segments.

1695
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 2: I kept him held in hostage for Eastern Time. The

1696
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 2: guy stayed till midnight. He's got a full time job

1697
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 2: and has.

1698
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 3: Got a very serious job.

1699
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 2: Well, jare, We'll see you for another hour or ten

1700
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 2: next week as well. Listen, guys, have the great rest

1701
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 2: of your Wednesday.

1702
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 4: We love you everybody.

1703
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 2: Please stay safe out there and we will see you

1704
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 2: and hear you tomorrow.

1705
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 4: Thank you for the top backs.