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Speaker 1: You better so subscribe. Look man, oh I see you?
Speaker 1: Why why? And look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness?
Speaker 1: Well lost culture? Just calling I fellow? This one under
Speaker 1: a big day. This is a pretty big day. File
Speaker 1: under a big day. And then put it in the cabinet,
Speaker 1: cabinet of my heart, of your heart? Can I say something? Yes?
Speaker 1: You remember? Do you recall? You recollect When we hosted
Speaker 1: a show for our guests, and our guests gave a
Speaker 1: speech to all the performers, and then she walked away,
Speaker 1: and you said, you turned to me, fill up your
Speaker 1: hands and said, she's the most cultured person I've ever seen. Oh,
Speaker 1: so our guest put on this comedy show, brought champagne
Speaker 1: for everybody, poured it for everybody, had had people pass
Speaker 1: it around, gave an eloquent, eloquent toast, just so gracious,
Speaker 1: thanking us for being there. Meanwhile, we're just we're like,
Speaker 1: why this is so? We love inverted And then yeah,
Speaker 1: as soon as the toast and I turned to you,
Speaker 1: I go, I'm I'm truly captivated, like in a way
Speaker 1: that I haven't. It's crazy that we would ever call
Speaker 1: ourselves lost culture reestus. I mean, while my culture is
Speaker 1: like I've been to Epcot. Yeah, my culture is um,
Speaker 1: eyes are very sweet. I'm gonna take you with me. Everyone,
Speaker 1: we need to come. That's what this is about, is
Speaker 1: we need to join you in your world to do um.
Speaker 1: This is and and I just remember the moment too,
Speaker 1: when this moment happened where she just tweeted at us,
Speaker 1: or she followed it when she followed me on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I was at the dentist's office back in Colorado, got
Speaker 1: down at your little phone. I was about to get
Speaker 1: a root canal. I was so strong. I was like,
Speaker 1: what a terrible day this is going to be. I've
Speaker 1: been there, and then but then you you just turn
Speaker 1: it all around for me with with within a matter
Speaker 1: of seconds. I truly, I mean that this is the
Speaker 1: power of this person. Before before we get into it,
Speaker 1: let's just say not only is this person famously the
Speaker 1: host of the Emmy Award winning Top Chef and it's
Speaker 1: sixteen season it was Insane hosted the show since season two. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, award winning best selling author, activists, model, actress, mother,
Speaker 1: a CLU ambassador. Hello. Also wait um, I just want
Speaker 1: to say the season that I got into into Top
Speaker 1: Chef was five, which was New York, right, yes, And
Speaker 1: that was the that was the year that I moved
Speaker 1: to New York. That was the year we started college.
Speaker 1: And it was just her. So her, she like her
Speaker 1: presence is very tied into the company. For you, we'll
Speaker 1: just me moving to New York like she was. She
Speaker 1: was in that mythos in a way she don't have.
Speaker 1: So this is true. That was part of your coming
Speaker 1: to New York origin stories of New Yorker. Yes, it
Speaker 1: was like pat Well Patten is in New York with
Speaker 1: the Top Chef, like I gotta go and here we are.
Speaker 1: If you don't know who we're talking about everyone. Please welcome,
Speaker 1: and I'm so excited to be here on this rainy,
Speaker 1: cold night with you, and we thank you for joining
Speaker 1: us in Brooklyn. Umre, We're truly like, where are you
Speaker 1: downtown brook It's born Hell, it's your your Michelle Williams
Speaker 1: is your in Hathaway's your Ethan Hawks all sort of
Speaker 1: wander around here and Mat and bow and Matt and
Speaker 1: bowen Ethan Hawk, Ethan Hawk is that Brooklyn Inn which
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite bars in the neighborhood. He's
Speaker 1: there all the time. Um, I should say, I think
Speaker 1: Anne has since moved away, Miss Hathaway. Although Mr bru
Speaker 1: big Leia I see wandering around in his pajamas. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's because he's a new dad. So dad, he doesn't
Speaker 1: get out of his pajamas unless he goes on a stage,
Speaker 1: and after that not much. After that, not much, and
Speaker 1: even on stage it's debatable. But anyway, Uma, how how
Speaker 1: often are you splitting time between the coast But you're
Speaker 1: mostly are you mostly here? I'm not splitting any time
Speaker 1: between the coast. I go to l A if I
Speaker 1: need to, and then when I'm done, I come back.
Speaker 1: I remember my mom, I come back. If I'm working,
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I live in New York. I'm such
Speaker 1: a New Yorker through and through. Would you say that
Speaker 1: was your favorite season of Top Chef? Then what was? No?
Speaker 1: Because I was home Usually you know, I have to
Speaker 1: go away to film the show, and I worked so intensely,
Speaker 1: but at least you know, I'm not home, so I
Speaker 1: don't have like the normal responsibility days of my house
Speaker 1: or my work or whatever. And when it was in
Speaker 1: New York, I found I had all the responsibilities of
Speaker 1: when I'm home with all the responsibilities of being away
Speaker 1: on location together, thank you. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is too much. It's too much now. But I
Speaker 1: feel like as the years go by, you seem to
Speaker 1: be picking up more and more just I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like you're just you're out there more and more
Speaker 1: in this way that is I mean inspiring, but also
Speaker 1: like truly it like defies all sort of like career fatigue,
Speaker 1: Like I at this point feel very tired and not
Speaker 1: even like nowhere close to that level quote unquote, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm disgusted at myself or even speaking about myself
Speaker 1: in these terms, but like, how how do you so?
Speaker 1: Then has it been like what what's been the challenge
Speaker 1: and managing all that as like things, things grow and grow. Well,
Speaker 1: it is hard, you know, Um we've been on air
Speaker 1: for sixteen seasons, and you know, I also I come
Speaker 1: at it as a food writer and I'm a writer first,
Speaker 1: so I always have my writing to you know, procrastinate against.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, it's like an old marriage. You
Speaker 1: have to keep it fresh, it really is. And you know,
Speaker 1: luckily we go to a different city every season, which
Speaker 1: keeps this show really fresh. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I have been speaking out um a lot more as
Speaker 1: I've gotten more comfortable in life and feel secure that
Speaker 1: I've you know, I'm able to do that. You know.
Speaker 1: I think when you're young, you're just so afraid people.
Speaker 1: It's gonna not ruin your career, but like you don't
Speaker 1: want to. You want everyone to like you because you
Speaker 1: need them to like you to book you and give
Speaker 1: you work. And you know, ours is a personality driven business,
Speaker 1: and so you're so busy charming people. You sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: you forget that you have opinion or you know you
Speaker 1: have opinions, but you forget that you can express them
Speaker 1: for greater good. I guess and um, there was so
Speaker 1: much to talk about, you know. Um, when I did
Speaker 1: start talking that, I just was like, okay, here we go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean famously, you started the show off that we
Speaker 1: hosted few with Fuck Louis and it killed. There was
Speaker 1: a successful stand up and there well I had like
Speaker 1: just do one joke because I'm not a comic and
Speaker 1: I have immense respect for stand up comics and so um,
Speaker 1: that show was amazing and I had to tell you
Speaker 1: it was such a fluke and literally like every single
Speaker 1: person we asked, unless they were already booked around the
Speaker 1: town said yes. And you know you were saying I
Speaker 1: brought champagne. That's because we weren't paying anyone. We brought
Speaker 1: pizza and champagne just because to say thank you, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: And it was so nice that we just put it
Speaker 1: on Twitter and we didn't even put it on Instagram
Speaker 1: and it's sold out within minutes, hours, hours, hours, And
Speaker 1: then we had to add a second show, as you know,
Speaker 1: and everyone said yes again who could And you know,
Speaker 1: it was really like the goodwill in the room was
Speaker 1: quite palpable. In a really great experience for me because
Speaker 1: when we filmed the show, we do it largely in secret,
Speaker 1: and it's a told different thing, you know, energy. But
Speaker 1: I started in live television in Italy, um, and so
Speaker 1: I like having I like doing live TV, but I
Speaker 1: also like having an audience, you know, a live audience,
Speaker 1: so you really you really feed off of them. And
Speaker 1: it was wonderful to experience just for a second what
Speaker 1: you guys experienced all the time or on the road
Speaker 1: or whatever. That was a really special one though. And
Speaker 1: I will say you did nail it with the lineup,
Speaker 1: because that really is like those are all the most
Speaker 1: those it's crazy that they're all our friends, but it
Speaker 1: is truly the most exciting. Like Pat Regan and Catherine,
Speaker 1: I have coution, how did you find everybody? Like how
Speaker 1: did you initially like start following everyone? Like, well, we
Speaker 1: I followed him. Yeah, I saw something you had posted
Speaker 1: some videos, some wacky video almost like lying on your side,
Speaker 1: and it was a little way And this is a
Speaker 1: while ago. I don't even remember what you were parodying,
Speaker 1: but it was so funny. I like, this person is crazy.
Speaker 1: This is I just went thing. You know, I had
Speaker 1: no clue that you guys had a podcast or that whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, I just thought you were funny. Also follow
Speaker 1: this Haitian nurse from you know, like every now and
Speaker 1: then I do these random you know, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: just like to see you know, because you just remember
Speaker 1: I started out there was no social media, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I think social media has actually given
Speaker 1: me a megaphone that brown girls didn't get before the internet,
Speaker 1: you know, in this country. And so for me, it
Speaker 1: was a great, um pleasant surprise to find people who
Speaker 1: were like me out there, you know, gay Asian boy,
Speaker 1: you know, like all these people that were my people,
Speaker 1: and it was really nice to find them. And so
Speaker 1: I just go random trolling. And but I mean I
Speaker 1: knew Michelle Wolf and I didn't know her, but I
Speaker 1: had I had seen her work, and a couple of
Speaker 1: the others had also seen some I had and and
Speaker 1: then um, but you know, I obviously there are other
Speaker 1: comedians that I I know, like I had gone to
Speaker 1: see Leslie Jones around that time, who was doing stand
Speaker 1: up at Caroline's. I you know, I love Ali wong
Speaker 1: Um because I also think like Asian culture is such
Speaker 1: that just to just to speak up and make fun
Speaker 1: of anything is so antithetical to how you know, at
Speaker 1: least for women, but across the board you have to
Speaker 1: be more reserved, you know, um the expectation in a way.
Speaker 1: And and so it's wonderful to just discover these people online.
Speaker 1: And I just thought, you know, there's so many interesting people.
Speaker 1: Why do we have to pick this pervert? It's so true.
Speaker 1: I actually was just talking about it before we got here.
Speaker 1: And it's also interesting with like the whole Kevin Hart stuff,
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what, we can move on. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of other people who we can have. There's
Speaker 1: all you know, interesting comics, there's there's there's that oh wait,
Speaker 1: maybe we just won't have a home. It's having a
Speaker 1: white man. How about this way man? How about you know?
Speaker 1: It's like hello, yeah, yeah, I mean that's just I
Speaker 1: feel like it's just sort of built into you have
Speaker 1: a conversation about something that you have a strong feeling about,
Speaker 1: and therefore it's like to drive clicks. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: let's keep talking about this one thing that everyone is
Speaker 1: upset about or has an emotion. I didn't think about
Speaker 1: it like that, but yeah, but like the Oscar host
Speaker 1: thing specifically is we can't find one. And so now
Speaker 1: it's like we're all on a wild goose chase to
Speaker 1: find who's going to be the next. Everyone is like me,
Speaker 1: you've heard online online fell Yeah, I saw other people too.
Speaker 1: I feel like, would would you ever do it? I
Speaker 1: feel like you would be great. I don't think I
Speaker 1: would start out that big two shows at the Bellhouse.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling pretty good with that. I want to build.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many people that are I think
Speaker 1: one to Sikes would be amazing. Wos so funny and
Speaker 1: you never even hear her name discussed. The first White
Speaker 1: House Correspondence Dinner of Obama. I went to that dinner
Speaker 1: and Wanda Sykes was doing it, and she was amazing.
Speaker 1: She killed, she killed. I thought I was gonna be
Speaker 1: in my pants. God, and I wasn't wearing very much.
Speaker 1: But you know, God, thank god you kept it together.
Speaker 1: But you were pants at least I didn't. You know what.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I even brought up my wardrobe because that
Speaker 1: was my biggest regret. It was a wardrobe malfunction. The
Speaker 1: worst places Chiffon gown, which was really beautiful, and it
Speaker 1: was two layers of burgundy, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: had my little flesh colored or the pedic thong on
Speaker 1: it so nothing would show, and like everything showed because
Speaker 1: the lights. The Luckily Natalie apartment also had a wardrobe
Speaker 1: malfunctioned at the table and her nipple came out, So
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay. Later I saw in the paper
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god. You know in
Speaker 1: that light there, You've never like at Pacha at five
Speaker 1: in the morning, any bisa, you know, in the nineties
Speaker 1: when everybody's you know, likes me at the White House below. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Natalie Portman didn't have it together. My god,
Speaker 1: I loved at least so much. Do you know her? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do? She um. She came to Top Chef when
Speaker 1: we were in Vegas. You know, I think the Vegas
Speaker 1: season was the hardest for me, just because of the heat.
Speaker 1: We were there August and I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was horrible, but she made it better. I'm not
Speaker 1: a gambler, so you know, I don't I don't care,
Speaker 1: you know, I see I see chips going, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this could be a bair of Luputan's right. Yeah. Both
Speaker 1: times I've been to Vegas, I've performed that. So they've
Speaker 1: been paying me to go there. And one time I
Speaker 1: was on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Um, but
Speaker 1: it was crazy Vegas. The film in Vegas. So it
Speaker 1: was kind of like, it makes sense though a little bit.
Speaker 1: They used to film in like Connecticut or something very
Speaker 1: easy to No, no, they've they've never shot in l
Speaker 1: It's always be New York. And then it was Connecticut,
Speaker 1: and then I now they shoot in Vegas, and so
Speaker 1: I went out there. And so I did make a
Speaker 1: little bit of money on the show, okay, god, but
Speaker 1: it was so it was kind of like, oh, I
Speaker 1: can feel good about like rolling a her of dice.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing with but like, we'll
Speaker 1: see how it happens. And I lost money, but in
Speaker 1: the grand scheme, I was up and I would never
Speaker 1: go like voluntarily, Yeah, well we were shooting there because
Speaker 1: I think a lot of chefs have big restaurants there,
Speaker 1: and it made sense. And um, Natalie came up from
Speaker 1: l A and she was just so funny. She's really
Speaker 1: really funny. I've known her a little bit for a
Speaker 1: really long time, you know, since she did like V
Speaker 1: I want to say V for Vendetta, Um, and I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan of hers, you know, I I see
Speaker 1: this is scary, but I'm scary. But when I see
Speaker 1: when I'm hanging out with my daughter, Christian would walk
Speaker 1: in like in the city, in the village or in
Speaker 1: East village or to me, like I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: with Natalie Portman and I'm Sean re No, you think
Speaker 1: Christian Christian? Yes, wow, she has really long hair in
Speaker 1: that sense in her like I'm grown up. Yes, since
Speaker 1: like she she's edgy. It has always carried herself as
Speaker 1: if she was in her mid thirties and the best
Speaker 1: in the best way. Now are you? Are you trying
Speaker 1: to raise christ to become a certain way, to become
Speaker 1: a Natalie port No, I can't. I couldn't do that
Speaker 1: if I tried. But I'm an activist, a political activist.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's very active. Not already she um. She
Speaker 1: complained about not having enough lunchtime, and she ran for
Speaker 1: student council and she got it from a class and
Speaker 1: she ran on a platform of you know, we don't
Speaker 1: have enough term for lunch and we need more chicken nuggets.
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't even need chicken nuggets. She's like,
Speaker 1: that's why I needed more at school. She's able to
Speaker 1: code switch. She's a code switcher. She's great, She's going
Speaker 1: to be awesome. What does she want to do? Because
Speaker 1: less I saw an interview where she said she had
Speaker 1: pop star aspiration, still still going strong. Think I think
Speaker 1: we can make it happen, and we as a together
Speaker 1: will manage her and then the two of us well after,
Speaker 1: I will play you a song on my iPhone. I
Speaker 1: can't play it on Arab No, no no, She'll be
Speaker 1: like copyright of that ship from this and I love that.
Speaker 1: I think Krishna can just be a mononym one name
Speaker 1: Christian anonymously as Krishna Christia. And then and then you
Speaker 1: have some divine aspect to it, which have you the
Speaker 1: god's name, and that you have accessible name for everyone
Speaker 1: to pronounce all over the world in any language. I think.
Speaker 1: I think this is now. She has to do the
Speaker 1: sing well. She sings incredibly well. Speaking of speaking of
Speaker 1: Natalie Apportman and pop star, have you heard of vox
Speaker 1: Lux and do you think it will come? Is it out?
Speaker 1: I think she's doing press actually, so I must be
Speaker 1: out soon. I can't wait. The radar. I think it
Speaker 1: is because the subject matter is pretty, it is pretty,
Speaker 1: very dark, very dark, like it did you hear what
Speaker 1: it's about? It's she survives. She's just a young girl
Speaker 1: who survives a school shooting. And so then at the
Speaker 1: memorial for her friends who passed, she performs a song
Speaker 1: that she wrote, and then they make her a pop star,
Speaker 1: and this video from the memorial goes viral and then
Speaker 1: she becomes, so she becomes. It's it's a movie that
Speaker 1: I think it's really the comment. It's definitely a comment
Speaker 1: the intersection of tragedy with like very that and I think,
Speaker 1: like then it flashes forward many years and Natalie Apartment
Speaker 1: is playing the adult version and she's this sort of like,
Speaker 1: you know, pop star. We recognize that's like crazy, and
Speaker 1: it's been kind of driven nuts by the fact that
Speaker 1: like not only is this expectation of being a pop star,
Speaker 1: but also how she got famous and the ghosts figuratively
Speaker 1: and right. And then then like it on, there's like
Speaker 1: another tragedy that happens that it's clear that they were
Speaker 1: mimicking the one from when she was young. It just
Speaker 1: sounds like a fascinating I can't wait. I saw a
Speaker 1: clip of it because she was on ellen Um the
Speaker 1: episode I was on, and I was like, I have
Speaker 1: to see this movie. Yeah, I love all her movies.
Speaker 1: I do. I'm a huge fan. We we actually we
Speaker 1: were in college when when The Black Swan came out,
Speaker 1: and that's one of my favorites. I didn't homage to
Speaker 1: Black Swans Halloween, remember, Trishner was homaging Angelina Jolie is
Speaker 1: um Star and Pama told me this in person at
Speaker 1: the Bellhouse show too, and I forgot already know. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't see pictures on this podcast, but
Speaker 1: if you go on to my Instagram you can see
Speaker 1: pictures and videos. We had so much fun. We were
Speaker 1: just walking around soh like, yeah, we know we look
Speaker 1: better than you bitches. Do people recognize you in costume? Um?
Speaker 1: Well yes, when actually recognized my voice. It's really funny.
Speaker 1: Um Like, I'll be at a restaurant and then the
Speaker 1: person with their back to me, like I heard your voice.
Speaker 1: I thought that was just some local signature. That's the
Speaker 1: Tamber it's the Tamber Cross. Yeah, you do have a
Speaker 1: fantastic voice. And we were discussing before before the before
Speaker 1: we went on that W magazine does the celebrity SR videos,
Speaker 1: Patma would be fantastic and you can't see that. You
Speaker 1: can't see the photos of her and Chrishna dressed up
Speaker 1: on Halloween first famously not a visual medium. But when
Speaker 1: you say that, here's the thing, let's talk about Matt
Speaker 1: for a second. Can see a moment? Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: check out at Padma las Yes, I do. I wanted
Speaker 1: to thank you for the plug. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about let's just dig into Matt for a second. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Because we were I know where this is going. Patma
Speaker 1: was very playfully ribbing about how you you know. She
Speaker 1: was like, one of you doesn't read, and we were like,
Speaker 1: it's Matt. She knew that going in. But I feel
Speaker 1: like Matt is able to break down any piece of
Speaker 1: art in a way that is really well I have.
Speaker 1: I started talking about I was a dramatic writing major,
Speaker 1: and so like I am also I also acted and act,
Speaker 1: and you know, I do lots of different things. But
Speaker 1: but you, I think you are able to analyze and
Speaker 1: break You're able to give the cliffs notes version of anything.
Speaker 1: I think better than most people. And I think that
Speaker 1: you're robbing yourself and other people by not reading more.
Speaker 1: This is a runaway train. I do read. I just
Speaker 1: don't read all the time. We have packman at her
Speaker 1: thinking I don't read well, No, you know you can
Speaker 1: also I read very slowly, I really do. And I
Speaker 1: have started listening to books on audible and whatever audio
Speaker 1: books and I love them. I love them so much.
Speaker 1: And I you know, when I was um and living
Speaker 1: in l A and auditioning as an actress, I would
Speaker 1: be in the car all the time, and there was
Speaker 1: this place that was like a video rental um when
Speaker 1: we had vhs and we rent it. Then we went
Speaker 1: to places and got them and come back and then
Speaker 1: gave them back in a timely fashion. But there was
Speaker 1: like Talking Book World and you could get these boxes
Speaker 1: of like Jeremy Irons narrating the Leader. Yeah, creepy in
Speaker 1: the I when you were in the late nineties. Yeah, definitely. Anyway, UM,
Speaker 1: I think you should start there. I'm going to I'm
Speaker 1: going to do audio books and I would love especially
Speaker 1: because a lot of the books that I enjoy reading
Speaker 1: are memoirs and I love to hear someone read their
Speaker 1: on like I would love to read your book. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Absorb the book. I'm trying to you
Speaker 1: know what it is. I'm very sensitive and so the
Speaker 1: last book I tried to read was A Little Life.
Speaker 1: Do you know? A Little Life Kanye's last book, And
Speaker 1: it's kind of about like it's sort of like a
Speaker 1: coming of age. It doesn't take place in any specific time,
Speaker 1: but it's about um uh. I think it's the nineties.
Speaker 1: A couple of them are. It's a group of friends,
Speaker 1: and one of them has like sort of like a
Speaker 1: debilitating um chronic pain. And it's just a really emotional book.
Speaker 1: And I realized, like, as I've gotten older, I've gotten
Speaker 1: much more sensitive where things affect me. And so like
Speaker 1: when the book got a little thick, I had to
Speaker 1: put it away because it was driving me, like I'm
Speaker 1: very sensitive and I'm not saying that stopped me from reading. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for something sad to read. You should read
Speaker 1: this a little I'm serious though. I I this is
Speaker 1: maybe t M I, but I don't care. I had
Speaker 1: this massage therapist slash healer comes to me my normal
Speaker 1: massage therapist set hand surgery. Anyway, so UM and I
Speaker 1: have a little back things. So anyway, after she finished,
Speaker 1: she said, I think you have a lot of sadness
Speaker 1: to get out of you. And I said, um, yeah, probably,
Speaker 1: and so she was saying, if you can't, you know,
Speaker 1: get it out, you could just go watch just you know,
Speaker 1: sad movie or something. And I went to watch at
Speaker 1: ten am, the Julia Rharts movie. Then is Bad. I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring this up. How was it? It's it's
Speaker 1: what you think it is. You know, it is really heartbreaking,
Speaker 1: and they both give great performances. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to spoil the ending, but I'll just say that it's
Speaker 1: it's not a good ending, like it not as in anything.
Speaker 1: It's just like it just stops, and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: I want to know what happens, because I mean the
Speaker 1: reality I kind of you know, and that's frustrating from
Speaker 1: like a narrative standpoint because you're like, oh man, give
Speaker 1: me this Catharsis of knowing what happens, good or bad.
Speaker 1: But also I kind of like that kind of comment
Speaker 1: in a movie like that, because that is something that
Speaker 1: families all across our country. It's it's a true right now.
Speaker 1: And it does end with an ellipsis, So I do
Speaker 1: kind of love that. Do you know what Bad Is
Speaker 1: Back is about? So Lucas how just plays Julia Roberts's son,
Speaker 1: and he has in in drug rehab and he gets
Speaker 1: hooked on drugs as a teenager, like fourteen, and we
Speaker 1: learned that in the movie. And so he's done everything,
Speaker 1: he's dealt. He's like broken into his own mother's house,
Speaker 1: the neighbors houses, and I think, you know, he's he's
Speaker 1: gone deep. And so like the whole community knows he's
Speaker 1: an addict. And it's a rampant problem because throughout the
Speaker 1: movie you meet other people who, you know, we're just
Speaker 1: throwing a frisbee in a call to Sack a few
Speaker 1: years ago, and now they're like these you know, heroin addicts,
Speaker 1: and it's really dark. Did not shed a tear though?
Speaker 1: Really I didn't. It was I am I'm normally sap.
Speaker 1: So maybe she's sent or something. I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I just felt like I really wanted to. It's why
Speaker 1: I went to go see didn't have a good cry
Speaker 1: and I leave it behind. But no, because I just,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's because it's like not melodramatic. It
Speaker 1: was very realistic. It was super slice of life. And
Speaker 1: I like that. I mean, I like, you know, did
Speaker 1: you cry to Stars Born? I cried more? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that was Yeah, it was, I mean, I kind of.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such the subject is frough for me
Speaker 1: because you know, I was in a movie with a
Speaker 1: star the same story, right, Why Lady Gaga wanted to
Speaker 1: be in a movie? Just let her be in a movie.
Speaker 1: As you saw, she's a good actor, right, I think
Speaker 1: she did a great job, you know, very nice and
Speaker 1: kind of on, you know, and that was great. And
Speaker 1: you also got to see the beauty of her voice
Speaker 1: a cappella and really understand that, you know, under all
Speaker 1: those me dresses there's this incredible talent. And it turns
Speaker 1: it turns out she's a great actor too. And for
Speaker 1: the first for the first part of the movie, Jeff
Speaker 1: Bridges way of speaking, heally was distracting for me. I
Speaker 1: was like, why is he speaking like the tall guy
Speaker 1: with the white hair who always plays the character actor
Speaker 1: in a Western or Tommy Jones movie. And then he
Speaker 1: comes on and I'm like, oh, he's playing his brother. Yes,
Speaker 1: so Bradley Cooper as Jackson made aka Jeff Bridges is
Speaker 1: doing it, doing it Jeff Bridges basically, I mean, basically,
Speaker 1: why wasn't Jeff Bridges in it? That was jeffred is
Speaker 1: crazy Heart it's crazy high. Yeah, and and so so
Speaker 1: it's really that I have the same questions too. And
Speaker 1: also the line of the script was like you stole
Speaker 1: my voice. I was like, do we need this? It's so,
Speaker 1: but you are dead on the ending of Glitter, that
Speaker 1: is the ending of Stars Born. Yeah, they're the same.
Speaker 1: It's the same story because the ending of Stars Born
Speaker 1: is just her basically doing a Whitney Maria moment, like literally,
Speaker 1: so sure, I feel like you've always had a sense
Speaker 1: of humor about Glitter, but is this is it's still
Speaker 1: a thing where you are, you are, you're you're watching
Speaker 1: other media and you are sort of still sort of
Speaker 1: seeing things through that lens of like, oh well I was,
Speaker 1: I was in a version of this and like does
Speaker 1: that how does that affect affect me at all? It
Speaker 1: doesn't affect me at all. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: think in defensive glitter like there, you know, it came
Speaker 1: out ten days after nine eleven, right and came out
Speaker 1: the day up, that's right, And it was really you know,
Speaker 1: light popcorny movie. You know, do I think it would
Speaker 1: have been considered this Citizen King anyway? Now? I don't,
Speaker 1: But you know, whatever, it wasn't you know, the worst
Speaker 1: thing out there. But um but I do think that
Speaker 1: you know, when when when a performer who has reached
Speaker 1: a height of Saint Mariah or Gaga, you know, wants
Speaker 1: to get into movies, like, I think we should be
Speaker 1: a little more creative about how we utilize them. Because
Speaker 1: I thought the movie it was lovely. I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: they both gave great performances. Um, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: see more. Yeah, I get that you knew what was
Speaker 1: going to happen, you did. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: very sort of mythic sort of thing where it's like
Speaker 1: everyone knows the story so well, and I feel like
Speaker 1: it does sort of we talked about type right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's a version of you know, there's that myth,
Speaker 1: then there's the pretty woman myth of someday my principill come.
Speaker 1: You know. It's Yeah, so you liked Venus Back despite
Speaker 1: like I really liked it. I wish you wish satter
Speaker 1: and darker. Is I know that's odd to say. I
Speaker 1: was going in with a certain intention and destroy me film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it takes a specific kind of film. I'm not a crier,
Speaker 1: and it takes a very specific kind of I mean
Speaker 1: I remember crying in Out of Africa. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: mean that was beautiful. It's Sophie's choice, bald like a baby,
Speaker 1: you know, I call it happy things. Maybe try that,
Speaker 1: Maybe try like you have, Maybe try this like I'm
Speaker 1: a healer. Now wait, have you seen Big Fish? Yes?
Speaker 1: I love that movie, very nice. It's so sweet and
Speaker 1: it's so magical, so beautiful. I don't think movies are
Speaker 1: missing that now, yes, you know, just good scripts like
Speaker 1: Fish Called Wanda. I was on I was on some
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Speaker 1: Hotiday movie? And you know, they ask you these questions
Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't really watch movies that are
Speaker 1: just you know, like say something. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite movie? Fish Called Wanda? Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good one. That's a really good I you know, I
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Speaker 1: that's come out this year, like now Oscar season? Have
Speaker 1: you seen anything that you're like, oh, hell, Black Panther. Yes,
Speaker 1: every Oscar? I agree. I agree that what's powerful, and
Speaker 1: it's like it was a game change. It was so
Speaker 1: exciting to see the costumes and their the cinematography, the
Speaker 1: battle scenes, just everyone being not white. It's I love
Speaker 1: movies with white people. It's all I've ever seen, so
Speaker 1: just like I want to see. I was so great.
Speaker 1: I saw it four times in the first week and
Speaker 1: came out. I went to the premiere and Leslie Jones
Speaker 1: was like three rose behind me, and I wish I
Speaker 1: could take Leslie Jones to every movie. She was so
Speaker 1: funny screaming at the screen, and because it was really
Speaker 1: packed crowd, it was just such a fun experience. And
Speaker 1: then I wanted to take Christians, so I grabbed her
Speaker 1: out of school, took her street from school to the
Speaker 1: movie with a book bag like at three thirty. Then
Speaker 1: we went to my cousin's house over the weekend, and
Speaker 1: I have two nephews who are around her age. I
Speaker 1: took them to see it um and a couple of
Speaker 1: those times we're in three DS. Well, I think I
Speaker 1: just think I love I love this the soundtrack from
Speaker 1: Hendrick lemont bos and at my boxing gym, like they're like,
Speaker 1: we can't possibly play this anymore, like yes you can.
Speaker 1: You're from Africa. About forever that means forever, essentially rule
Speaker 1: culture number seven whatever means forever. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's a movie that rewards repeat viewings. Truly. I saw
Speaker 1: I saw it. I saw it twice, and the first
Speaker 1: time I saw I I had a bad experience because
Speaker 1: it was a past leader, thank god, but I just
Speaker 1: had this group of like rowdy asked children with like
Speaker 1: some baby some caretaker type, like baby sitter type, just
Speaker 1: like sitting there sort of letting them run them up
Speaker 1: and like being on her phone totally, and I just
Speaker 1: like I literally couldn't take in what was going on.
Speaker 1: And I was like and then by the end of
Speaker 1: bad O Pair I walked out. I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I don't think I understood what
Speaker 1: was happening. In there because because all the chatter I was,
Speaker 1: I didn't have an opinion on the movie, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I have to see this again just to
Speaker 1: like not just clean, just to like know what this is.
Speaker 1: And this sounds so crazy just talking about it now,
Speaker 1: but literally walked out of that the first time not
Speaker 1: having an idea of what it was, but then seeing
Speaker 1: it again, like you, I also just picked up on
Speaker 1: the things that like I had taken in the first time.
Speaker 1: It's just an incredible movie. And that was one of
Speaker 1: the most beautiful, powerful um scenes of the year I think,
Speaker 1: which is you know, spoiler alert right now if you
Speaker 1: haven't seen Black Panther you have, but that scene where
Speaker 1: Michael b. Jordans dies at the end, and it's so beautiful,
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's it's it's just like wow, it's
Speaker 1: just it's just so abuff and beyond. Because you could
Speaker 1: have made you could have done the Superhero movie, but
Speaker 1: they made that art that's better than any more of
Speaker 1: a movie I've ever seen. And I mean also, the
Speaker 1: women characters were not appendages. They were all different, had
Speaker 1: all different personalities, you know, they were so um in
Speaker 1: their own essential selves. Yeah, you know, had inner lives
Speaker 1: and that's something we don't usually see. And I say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, people are talking about Michael B. Jordan's for
Speaker 1: a Supporting Actor nomination, which you know, I think he's
Speaker 1: one of the most famous, so that makes sense. But Nigeria,
Speaker 1: she is stunned the movie as person, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is someone who's multi multitalented and the playwright she's
Speaker 1: I didn't know she was an as powerful as I watch.
Speaker 1: I saw her in Eclipse. Ye oh, and she was
Speaker 1: isn't that the play? Yeah, she was amazing. And I
Speaker 1: saw it when it was at Joe's Joseph pat Theater,
Speaker 1: the public theater. I saw it there before it went
Speaker 1: to Broadway. It was so powerful and everyone l Peto
Speaker 1: and Yango was in that too. Everyone in that cast
Speaker 1: was so fantastic. It was brilliant. I mean that's the thing,
Speaker 1: like I want to hear other stories, which is why
Speaker 1: I read, which is why you read. And you too
Speaker 1: have to go see Slave play. Jeremy O. Harris. It's
Speaker 1: at the New York Theater. We're going together. We're going together.
Speaker 1: I'll try to get a ticket. No, but seriously, it's
Speaker 1: Josh Sharp and I went we walked away from that
Speaker 1: thinking and he's the guy who knows theater, our friend,
Speaker 1: but we were both like, that's the best piece of
Speaker 1: theater I've ever seen in my life. Truly, so smart
Speaker 1: leaves no stone unturned when it comes to like there's
Speaker 1: there's something that happens in the play that like just
Speaker 1: blows your mind age and like that's all I can say.
Speaker 1: But like, truly, I'm getting everyone at work like into it,
Speaker 1: like you've been talking about. Colin came over to me,
Speaker 1: he was like, I think I'm gonna go see Slave
Speaker 1: Play this weekend because like you, you're so into it
Speaker 1: and you're so you're like its biggest cheerleader. The thing is,
Speaker 1: I can't. So it starts out with these vignettes of
Speaker 1: like sexual sort of it's essentially like you, like you
Speaker 1: think it's about like sexual sub subjugation in Antebellum times um,
Speaker 1: and then it just like it becomes it becomes all
Speaker 1: these other things, and truly such such such an inspired
Speaker 1: piece of work by Jeremy O. Harris. Check him out.
Speaker 1: He's he's he has a career. He's writing the show
Speaker 1: that Alan Cumming is in called Daddy, that's off Broadway. Um,
Speaker 1: it all takes place in a swimming pool on stage.
Speaker 1: That's all people know about it so far. But everyone's
Speaker 1: like losing their minds over there, like it's going to
Speaker 1: be great, Like we don't know what it's gonna be,
Speaker 1: but like it's gonna be something brilliant. So anyway, we
Speaker 1: do need more pools on stage, and we need more
Speaker 1: pools on stage. Um, But I think I just want
Speaker 1: to I want to ask patn of this before we
Speaker 1: get into the central question of the show, what you want.
Speaker 1: I'm just always stunned at just the way that you're
Speaker 1: able to just not only talk about food like you
Speaker 1: do on on Top Chef and like just in regular
Speaker 1: sort of life, I guess, and the way you write
Speaker 1: about it. But also I just feel like you're someone
Speaker 1: who is so able and so adept at taking in
Speaker 1: all different types of culture. And this is a culture show,
Speaker 1: which is a very broad definition of like everything basically, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what we consume um in all forms is there? Are you?
Speaker 1: What is your discerning element? And like picking out things
Speaker 1: that you like or dislike or just like what you like?
Speaker 1: How do you figure out what to give attention to?
Speaker 1: Is what I'm asking basically it's hard. You know, things
Speaker 1: go across our screens now that um at a velocity
Speaker 1: that it's hard to really absorb them. But I think
Speaker 1: something's always bubble up, whether that's an issue or a
Speaker 1: new thing or lately, I think what there's been such
Speaker 1: a lack of common sense, So I'm attracted to things
Speaker 1: that are just like it's a stupid example, okay, but
Speaker 1: in microcosm, very microcosm, Like I posted a picture of
Speaker 1: this toast with peanut butter, I know, you know what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, and pome and pomegranate, like last minute,
Speaker 1: late at night on a weekend, and you never know,
Speaker 1: and that thing. We've had like hundreds of people posting
Speaker 1: those pictures and sending them to us and we repost
Speaker 1: them and every you know, I've just done Pressed for
Speaker 1: Top Chef because it just premiered um last week, right
Speaker 1: and um, every single interview I did from from Busy
Speaker 1: to like BuzzFeed, I mean everything. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: on Access Hollywood. I got there, they greeted me, it
Speaker 1: was we made this okay, so lust and it's just
Speaker 1: become this random thing because as I think, it tapped
Speaker 1: into something that was so familiar put in a different
Speaker 1: way together, and I think, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: that's what attracts people to to you know, anything I
Speaker 1: say or do, I don't. I don't discriminate between um,
Speaker 1: you know, the importance of tradition or what's better or
Speaker 1: you know, food and politics, I think, and womanhood and
Speaker 1: parenting and family and all of that. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's any different. I treat everything with the same interest
Speaker 1: because if I'm not interested in it, then I leave
Speaker 1: it behind. But you know, I was. It's funny to
Speaker 1: hear you say that you were a drama student. I
Speaker 1: was a theater major in college as well. And so
Speaker 1: I think when you when you think, you know, leaving
Speaker 1: aside the performance aspect of it, when you try to
Speaker 1: find a key into someone you look at you know,
Speaker 1: what are the things they're drawn to, what are things
Speaker 1: they like? And that collection of opinions forms who they
Speaker 1: are because it's informed by what they've gone through. Um,
Speaker 1: And I think it's very important. And you know, social
Speaker 1: media is really bad and evil. However, however, for me
Speaker 1: it's been a way to control my narrative and talk
Speaker 1: about things that I don't get to talk about on
Speaker 1: top Chef because the show is so formatic, and you know,
Speaker 1: in order to do my job well and make sure
Speaker 1: everybody gets heard and the business of the show gets through,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really see a lot of me.
Speaker 1: I mean, you see my opinions about food in an
Speaker 1: analytical way. But um, so it's been great for me
Speaker 1: to UM. I used to write. I used to I
Speaker 1: had a syndicated column for for a bit and then
Speaker 1: for the New York Times. You know, I also um
Speaker 1: due to Style Column and Harper's Bizarre And so I
Speaker 1: come at everything as a writer mostly like whether it
Speaker 1: you know, it's plays, I'm always or movies I'm always
Speaker 1: listening for the script and and I think, what the
Speaker 1: hell was my point is that is, oh well, just
Speaker 1: controlling my own narrative. And I think, like it's it's
Speaker 1: more interesting to see what a full person is like.
Speaker 1: And I'm I can be that um in Instagram or
Speaker 1: Twitter or whatever, especially because you know, like when when
Speaker 1: I would imagine that when you are Pod Malakshmi and
Speaker 1: you are like put up on this pedestal of being
Speaker 1: like the top chef host who has this like cultured
Speaker 1: opinion about food and all these things it's like you
Speaker 1: know you do you there would be a part of
Speaker 1: you that wants to express everyone like get to know
Speaker 1: the real me. I also have like I'm interested in comedy,
Speaker 1: I'm interested in these things. I like these films like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, look, I'm very proud of of
Speaker 1: the show. And I'm you know, like I I am
Speaker 1: genuinely an egghead about food, Like I published an encyclopedia
Speaker 1: for God's sake, you know, you know what you're talking about. Ever,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe the spices and book. I was like,
Speaker 1: there's a whole book about this. Yeah, well I wanted
Speaker 1: one to exist, and I really couldn't find a good one.
Speaker 1: So I was like, darn it, I'm gonna write one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now now everyone knows about green mango powder, everyone truly.
Speaker 1: That was that was crazy for me. That really blew
Speaker 1: it up. Green mango powder, especially in fried chicken crust.
Speaker 1: It delicious because you have this sourness already in should
Speaker 1: we put it into basically like whatever mix and I
Speaker 1: put like rice crispies in there and coin flakes and
Speaker 1: bread crumbs and all that, so you like dredge it
Speaker 1: and in that you season that. You season that with
Speaker 1: salt and cayenne and green mango powders that secret ingredient
Speaker 1: in there. So you're this this season takes place in Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and obviously you think, like every year it gets influenced
Speaker 1: by this city or so here you are, like in Kentucky?
Speaker 1: Does that mean a lot of fried stuff? Are you?
Speaker 1: And are you eating all of it? I'm not eating
Speaker 1: all of it. I ate a good fair amount. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ate my share of it the first half of filming.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, girl, you were eating so much.
Speaker 1: Like I always eat a lot on on set, but
Speaker 1: I do want to try the local specialties of wherever
Speaker 1: I'm going. So I did. I had all these pork
Speaker 1: pies and banana croquettes and I was having mint julip
Speaker 1: s lush, She's bourbon and the like. The second week,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't feel so well right between
Speaker 1: you and Tom, Like you're you're eating much more than
Speaker 1: he does. I eat double what he does. That's crazy
Speaker 1: that there. I mean, he's there for the first quick
Speaker 1: fire at the season, but I'm there for every quick fire. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He just breezes in every other day and gals out
Speaker 1: the whole season. Yeah, yeah, she's actually saw our Last night,
Speaker 1: I was at Andy's holiday party and she looked great. Um,
Speaker 1: she you know, she was very pregnant. And the second
Speaker 1: was the quick fire was for her, was like her
Speaker 1: craving did you see? I was like, this is a
Speaker 1: joke for two days after that to was it was
Speaker 1: it twins that that was a he has a beautiful
Speaker 1: boy to do. So do you feel like, Okay, so
Speaker 1: obviously you can't like have favoritism, but every season, are
Speaker 1: you like, oh, I'm definitely pulling for that person or
Speaker 1: do you stay pretty removed? Are you like a route
Speaker 1: Paul about I'm very RuPaul about it, you know, I am,
Speaker 1: because like I just honestly, I just judge them on
Speaker 1: their food, and then when they make a stupid mistake,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're so capable of more than this.
Speaker 1: You know, you're rooting for all of them in a
Speaker 1: sense to get out of their own way. You know. No,
Speaker 1: and again there's the annoying person. You're like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, like for the most part, I luckily
Speaker 1: stand by all the decisions that we've made at the
Speaker 1: time we made that, So, um, I think this season
Speaker 1: is no different, Like you wind up rooting for the
Speaker 1: three or four it at like mid season, you know,
Speaker 1: aren't doing consistently well, and it's interesting to see their
Speaker 1: cooking styles and how they differ and how they interpret
Speaker 1: the local ingredients or whatever. I don't know, I'm I
Speaker 1: get super into the weeds about stuff like that, like
Speaker 1: I love you know, and when it's at that level,
Speaker 1: especially the later episodes, it really is like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: if there was only one more leaf of Parsley, because
Speaker 1: you have nothing else to judge it on, you know,
Speaker 1: in the whatever. Just in the first quick fire off
Speaker 1: this season, it was just like everyone was pretty solid
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, what do you when you
Speaker 1: realize like it's the true Like you also slayed your
Speaker 1: episode of RuPaul's Dragons, Yeah, you were so good and
Speaker 1: also well I wanted to be constructed. I'm not doing
Speaker 1: any of them a favor if I'm just like, wow,
Speaker 1: you makeup was a little you know, and I got
Speaker 1: it really into that ship because I'm already deep into
Speaker 1: that ship at home badly. I was away filming something,
Speaker 1: so I had bought tickets, but I couldn't go, So
Speaker 1: I made Chrishna's dad take her to dragon Oh my god, yes,
Speaker 1: in New York. And she's like, mom, that was great,
Speaker 1: But next year you're going. I'm like, listen, that start
Speaker 1: just for just for braving that whole braving it. But
Speaker 1: you know, so many people, it's families. It's so many
Speaker 1: families tournament right exactly. Oh my god, my god. Everyone
Speaker 1: would have been a gag to see you there. I
Speaker 1: do you golf dragon girl. We are already planning our outfits. Yes,
Speaker 1: we just we we have a punch for uh, we
Speaker 1: have a punch on for dressing up at home. Yes,
Speaker 1: we start planning on Halloween colastumes at like I don't
Speaker 1: know Easter, literally, like we go to M and J. Jerming's.
Speaker 1: We have our blu guns on. We have like we
Speaker 1: only have four packets of clear glue sticks versus fabric
Speaker 1: glue sticks. I think we're better get some more challenge.
Speaker 1: It's so much fun. It's so much was that the
Speaker 1: first or second episode of All Stars that you were on,
Speaker 1: it was like you were on I was on season
Speaker 1: ten but it was early Yeah, and you know, I
Speaker 1: he's so funny and I got to know him really
Speaker 1: well because it was a really long day and he
Speaker 1: was so great. We became friends from that. I had
Speaker 1: known him a little bit again for a long time
Speaker 1: because I would see him at Emmy things or you know,
Speaker 1: just see in l A or whatever. And through that
Speaker 1: filming we became friends and and he's really cool, you know,
Speaker 1: he he was very Sweetie said he drove to all
Speaker 1: the Max stores in the Los Angeles area. He bought
Speaker 1: everyone out of my brown eyeliner because I was like
Speaker 1: a girl, it's really hard to find a brown that
Speaker 1: turns up on I was like, I know, that's why, Yes,
Speaker 1: your brown works on him really well. Yeah, my round,
Speaker 1: I had a I did. I designed a makeup lind
Speaker 1: for mac Um earlier this year, and um he you know,
Speaker 1: he just loved it, because you know, I love makeup.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this step away from being a drag queen
Speaker 1: if you let me go. It's really they were going
Speaker 1: to have a full contour, honestly, wage contouring. Okay, So
Speaker 1: let's ask the question that we ask every every guest,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to hear Padma's answer. So this
Speaker 1: is the question of our show, which is what is
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say? Culture is for me
Speaker 1: the pop culture that was defining in your life that
Speaker 1: from a young age, like still as a touchstone that
Speaker 1: you can call back to. You know. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to go to college until I watched a Different World. Wow.
Speaker 1: You know my parents were always like steady heart study.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, whatever, you know. I saw a
Speaker 1: Different World and I was like, wait, you get to
Speaker 1: live away from your parents? Interesting what I do? Wow,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I've never seen. A Different World
Speaker 1: is a classic. It is the spinoff when Lisa Bone
Speaker 1: got kicked off of Cosby being sexually to Cosby the
Speaker 1: irony and for doing Angel Heart with Milosh you directed
Speaker 1: by Milosh Foreman with what's his name Mickey Roy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a sexy They did not get along. They
Speaker 1: did Lisa and Bill Cosby and so basically they knew Lisa.
Speaker 1: It was a star, and they said, well we're going
Speaker 1: to do this other show was good for her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so and so you watched a Different World and
Speaker 1: you were like, oh, this is I want to be Lisa. Yes, totally.
Speaker 1: But like my culture, all my cultural touchstones start from TV.
Speaker 1: So really I am the generation of MTV. Yes, MTV
Speaker 1: started right at the time I was hitting puberty and
Speaker 1: I was like, what I remember like watching Cindi lauper
Speaker 1: I am Member when we didn't know who was going
Speaker 1: to be the bigger star Cyndy Lauperta. Yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but I mean Michael Jackson. I remember being scared at
Speaker 1: watching Thriller, like really like, oh, maybe I shouldn't watch it,
Speaker 1: and then fall asleep after I know. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: like I grew up with music videos. I remember Annie
Speaker 1: Lennox all that stuff, but it was always TV, like
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up. I say that Oprah was
Speaker 1: a second mother because you know, I would come home
Speaker 1: from school and watch Oprah. We all did. We all
Speaker 1: watched Oprah and baked potatoes in our new microwaves, right,
Speaker 1: that's so funny. Microwaves really came out around the time
Speaker 1: of m Culture number fourteen, but I actually know it's
Speaker 1: and I think it's literally like their articles about this
Speaker 1: about how Velvita came out the same time that MTV did,
Speaker 1: and like making helpmade nachos was like wet hand and
Speaker 1: now Velvito was before. So I may be wrong, but
Speaker 1: you can make Velvita at home without movie with real cheese,
Speaker 1: like you can eat as long as you add sour salt, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, to um cheese, gray cheese. It'll melt better,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Isn't there some irony in a way where
Speaker 1: it's like you're making cheese and like actual cheese into
Speaker 1: something sort of worse than I mean, here's here's a
Speaker 1: real true confession. Please. I like this nasty movie theater
Speaker 1: nachos like hot cheese because it's so creamy. I love it,
Speaker 1: but I won't get it unless they have the pickled
Speaker 1: halapenos like more, no more. You know I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: through half these chips. Oh my god, palapenos are going
Speaker 1: to be gone. This is the beginning of it. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. The halapenos have to be because
Speaker 1: otherwise it's just sodium on its very basic. It's very
Speaker 1: basic without very basic without them. But I love it
Speaker 1: that hot cheese. Did you almost burn your fingers sticking
Speaker 1: into Do you have a favorite music video from that time? Yes, um,
Speaker 1: hungry like the Wolf. They filmed it in Sri Lanka.
Speaker 1: I think Duran durand years later, I um, I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't like the biggest freak. I didn't have posters
Speaker 1: and stuff that was so teenage. I was already like
Speaker 1: in my mid twenties when I was a freshman, like
Speaker 1: mentally and emotionally, but I did I did love Duran Durance.
Speaker 1: So later, when I actually was twenty two or twenty
Speaker 1: four something, I was a model, I met Duran Duran
Speaker 1: and I became friends with them because I don't even
Speaker 1: remember how, and I don't think I could speak full
Speaker 1: sentences for like the first couple of times that I
Speaker 1: was around that because I was so start struck. What
Speaker 1: is is there? What is is there some quality about
Speaker 1: Diranda in that like makes them stand out above What's
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, I mean they were pretty sad. They
Speaker 1: were the only they were the first ones who weren't
Speaker 1: afraid of being beautiful as men like you you know,
Speaker 1: you had all these rock stars and if there were
Speaker 1: guys that you know, yes, Michael Jackson, but he was
Speaker 1: the whole different thing. Prince and Michael Jackson. Yes, I
Speaker 1: remember when we thought Prince was the weird one. Michael, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He was like bracing the Yeah. So like
Speaker 1: these were the first white men that were actually like
Speaker 1: we're going to address like really fabulous and we're eyeliner
Speaker 1: and everything. But we're straight. And you know, I I
Speaker 1: my best friend was gay in high school and so no,
Speaker 1: I mean I I knew he was gay, and he
Speaker 1: knew he was gay, but you know, he came out
Speaker 1: to me like on the phone in college and I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I knew that, but I'm glad you
Speaker 1: told me. You know. But then you were a huge
Speaker 1: part of life then, which is yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we wound up moving in together and then you know,
Speaker 1: and then other stuff happened and whatever. But when I
Speaker 1: moved back after modeling in the nineties, I used to
Speaker 1: live in Milan in Paris, and then I moved back
Speaker 1: to the States at the end of my late twenties
Speaker 1: and so um, I had an apart with apartment with
Speaker 1: him again for a bit. But I mean, most of
Speaker 1: my I'm so embedded in the culture. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just gay without the sex icon and like, so is
Speaker 1: that do gay men like literally throw themselves at you,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm so happy that they do. I think
Speaker 1: my pollen is what every gay b needs, what every
Speaker 1: that's a title of every gay, every gay being gorgeous
Speaker 1: and poetic. You get the sense to some people like
Speaker 1: it takes them a minute to adjust to being a
Speaker 1: gay icon, like even back in the they like share, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like she I think it
Speaker 1: took a second because even remember she had to calibrate
Speaker 1: and adjust to that. Well when Chaz first came out
Speaker 1: as a lean, when was chasted, like it was this
Speaker 1: moment and shares on the record of saying like I
Speaker 1: felt that I had failed as a parent. And that's right, right,
Speaker 1: So she's seventy something years old. That's why. Yeah, I know, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't have to adjust. I mean I was I
Speaker 1: was praying on Ben Didney for the crown, like what
Speaker 1: I mean with on my gays, like I openly invited it,
Speaker 1: like when I was living in Laws. I'm from New
Speaker 1: York and I grew up, you know, my early childhood
Speaker 1: here because I came here when I was four. But
Speaker 1: I was in high school in a suburb of Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and in Santa Monica. People who were you know,
Speaker 1: around in the eighties and l A, We'll remember this.
Speaker 1: There was a gay club on Santa Monica Boulevard where
Speaker 1: the French market still stands, called Peanuts. Peanuts that and
Speaker 1: I used to sneak into Peanuts when I was in
Speaker 1: high school. Wow. But it was a really sexy crowd,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't like now I find that you go
Speaker 1: to gay bars, which I do, and it's mostly men
Speaker 1: and a few of the chosen few like me, or
Speaker 1: or you go to the covey hole that is it,
Speaker 1: and yes, which is fine, but um um, you know,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend doesn't like to go there with me anymore
Speaker 1: because you said it's like worse than fighting off men.
Speaker 1: But like it's I I love going everywhere, like I
Speaker 1: want to meet everyone, but they don't. I want. I
Speaker 1: want peanuts in New York again. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Let me set the scene. So there it's a mixed crowd.
Speaker 1: Everyone smells good and is fashionable. And I'm there and
Speaker 1: they are like these very European elegant um women women,
Speaker 1: lesbians women at the bar. They were probably lesbians, but
Speaker 1: like very you know, lipstick lesbians, like you know, picture
Speaker 1: like Jane Fonda. You know. Yeah, so like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it was just cool. And then
Speaker 1: there were gay men obviously, but then there were straight
Speaker 1: couples there. It was the I mean, put it for you.
Speaker 1: It was the era when Madonna was dating but really
Speaker 1: close to Sandra Bernhardt, three would show up at Peanuts
Speaker 1: so extended there, howord I love that And they would
Speaker 1: have these like balls and dances. And there was one
Speaker 1: woman named Paula that you know, I think she was transgendered.
Speaker 1: But I was like, there's no way that's a guy.
Speaker 1: But I didn't really know about Tucking then, you know,
Speaker 1: so maybe it was a guy. You know, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: So I was really around that a lot, like at fourteen,
Speaker 1: at fifteen sixteen, so you know, I I'm very comfortable
Speaker 1: in that element because it was a part of your culture.
Speaker 1: It is it is really a part of my culture.
Speaker 1: I mean, I um, I remember also New York in
Speaker 1: the seventies, you know, because my we didn't know any better.
Speaker 1: My mom would let me run around, like I skated
Speaker 1: all over the city when I was in fourth grade alone,
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, you couldn't do that now, but
Speaker 1: you know, we all and people would, you know, the
Speaker 1: kids were carded to these parties, you know what I mean. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not that bad. But I did go to the I
Speaker 1: mean I would have been seven, but but I did
Speaker 1: sneak into Peanuts and I remember it was so sexy
Speaker 1: and you know, like I thought, maybe I'm a little gay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think everyone's a little gay. Everyone's on the kinzie. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree, but um, you know, I just I feel
Speaker 1: at home there. Wow. I mean this is start. A
Speaker 1: lot of our crew on Top Chef is actually really love.
Speaker 1: Do you only get different crews in different seasons. No.
Speaker 1: In fact, we're like a very tight knit family. We
Speaker 1: do hire a lot of locals in each city, but
Speaker 1: there's a group, a core group of us. Like my
Speaker 1: stylist is gay, my makeup artist is gay, My um
Speaker 1: assistant on the show is gay, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: just like my little mini tribe with the larger structure
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I get that from the show. It's weird,
Speaker 1: but I get like a gay thing from the show.
Speaker 1: A lot of the a lot of the chefs are
Speaker 1: come in in the require order and then and there's
Speaker 1: no What I think Top Chef has done that a
Speaker 1: lot of other reality competition shows I didn't used to
Speaker 1: do was that it didn't make They wouldn't make the
Speaker 1: queerness or the sexuality of its of its contestants like central.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a central thing, yes, which I think is
Speaker 1: refreshing and even on Project Right, it doesn't matter, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It matters, but not when cooking doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you're a man or a woman. Yes, exactly when
Speaker 1: you're watching Project One Way two when you find out
Speaker 1: one of the designers is straight, and it's like, whoa,
Speaker 1: what you had to do that with the impedi men
Speaker 1: of like missing. In fact, I think one of the winners,
Speaker 1: one of the one one of the finalists, was like
Speaker 1: a straight man who was just like very European and shot.
Speaker 1: I did not realize he was until the end, and
Speaker 1: I was like Dmitri or something, but like I was like,
Speaker 1: but like he was like so talented, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well you cantinue to open your mind. Man. Actually I
Speaker 1: three years later, but I'm almost like within pages of
Speaker 1: finishing um tinny easy between the world and me. It's
Speaker 1: so good, it's so I've inhaled it like I started yesterday,
Speaker 1: and it's great. It makes me want to have a kid.
Speaker 1: But also it's it's the suffused and tragedy and racial.
Speaker 1: It's so right, it's so succinctly and poetically beautiful, really
Speaker 1: renders the situation palpable. You know, I read all kinds
Speaker 1: of funky things. The other thing I read was The
Speaker 1: Year of Yes, Yes, Yes. I love a celebrity autobiography
Speaker 1: and even if they're like, oh my god, I roll.
Speaker 1: Like when I read Lena Dunham's a lot of page
Speaker 1: to page, I had a different opinion on it, but
Speaker 1: I love it because you get it. It's a true
Speaker 1: slice of life. It's true and like what I like
Speaker 1: about it is like it's someone telling their own story
Speaker 1: which speaks volumes. Yes you know what I mean, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's true. It's like how important they think they are,
Speaker 1: like you know, definitely, how their take on the situations.
Speaker 1: Like I think that some of these different though Lena's
Speaker 1: book is a book of essays, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: different than a memoir looking back. The best memoir, one
Speaker 1: of the best memoirs I think ever written, is called
Speaker 1: The Liars Club by Mary Carr. She's a poet. I mean,
Speaker 1: you will, you'll love it. It feels like um Laura
Speaker 1: during movie like wild at Heart, Like it's just it's
Speaker 1: beautiful and it actually I think, you know, sent this
Speaker 1: kind of rebirth or this renaissance and memoir writing in
Speaker 1: this country like ten years ago whatever she's very talented.
Speaker 1: I I was. I love that book. It's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite books. Yeah. I like memoirs too, I really do.
Speaker 1: I there's if I know something's coming out, I'll always like,
Speaker 1: you know which one I really want to read? Which
Speaker 1: is old now? But I really want to read it
Speaker 1: because what Nia Ferris is great too. I'm sure. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that one is rich. It's so rich. So
Speaker 1: is Jane Fondas. Did you based on the memoir just Talk?
Speaker 1: I thought it was only me who like Sonic of
Speaker 1: my life in periods of the men I've hated. That
Speaker 1: was so phenomenal. We all do that. I mean after
Speaker 1: you get out of school, Like, what are the measure
Speaker 1: do you have? Structure? Just sor I'm a Dave, my Carlos,
Speaker 1: a Teddy. I'm I'm in my post Hansel phase right now.
Speaker 1: Oh my God spoke his name whatever, Hancil. He's great.
Speaker 1: I'm getting dinner with him on Thursday. We're going to
Speaker 1: hang still friends. No, we like. He Literally the day
Speaker 1: that he broke up with me, he was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm giving a talk tomorrow about transgender health. You should come.
Speaker 1: I was like, I think that's too soon. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to just be you know, sometimes you just have
Speaker 1: to cut the finger off the sod my eye lived
Speaker 1: with my X after we broke up for seven more months.
Speaker 1: I'm looking back and I was like, oh, I should
Speaker 1: have gotten out of there. Matt and Matt nurse to
Speaker 1: the finger, Matt polished, I put a new nail on
Speaker 1: the thing. Yes, yes, no, but yeah, you gotta. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm taking my dating advice from Pad. Absolutely. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: She's lived so many, so many and I love the hair,
Speaker 1: the different hairstyles. It wasn't that amazing? Amazing? The clute
Speaker 1: hairstyle is beyond and then the Barbarella. Yes, can we talk? Yes,
Speaker 1: we do? Forget how many, how how much icononography there
Speaker 1: is with Jane found in the Vietnam War, the Aerobic
Speaker 1: That was probably one of my first touchstones really, and
Speaker 1: I was very very young, and I remember my mom
Speaker 1: buying it. Yeah, the Bunch of Steel, Yes, I think
Speaker 1: so we had that. Did you watch soap operas? Yes,
Speaker 1: all my children children, Erica Kane, Erica Caine. This is
Speaker 1: the first time, my first like touchstones of like womenhood, celebrity, idol, worship, fashion, hair.
Speaker 1: I mean when I started watching Erica Caine. She had
Speaker 1: a full on bouffant. She was, but she was the
Speaker 1: bitch goddess she was. She was the first, like fun
Speaker 1: to watch diva's And I think, like people like Susan
Speaker 1: Lucci is like a punchline now because of it, and
Speaker 1: was going to say, Susan Lucci is a part of culture.
Speaker 1: She was, yeah, well, Susan Lucci Eric but my mother one.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's nice. But other than the fact that
Speaker 1: she's a nice person, they're the same person in my mind.
Speaker 1: I met her, I thought I was going to shoot.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, she is even the
Speaker 1: fact that my immigrant mother kept up with all my children,
Speaker 1: like just says it was. I don't know what it
Speaker 1: was because and I don't know when the how I
Speaker 1: watched it except because I went to it. No, but
Speaker 1: it was on at one right even though I guess
Speaker 1: everyone or like you know, Columbus or whatever, because like
Speaker 1: I got sent to India every summer and my mother
Speaker 1: worked full time, so I don't know like when you could,
Speaker 1: but I knew enough like I would watch it, you know,
Speaker 1: every few weeks or months that I knew what the
Speaker 1: hell was going on, and husband seven or eight she
Speaker 1: ends up with husbands. It was fucking crazy. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: just something. She had so many different lots and she
Speaker 1: was always want to watch and Susan she always played
Speaker 1: it for everything. It was worse. It was camp in
Speaker 1: the best way and just on and off the screen.
Speaker 1: It's like you keep up with the marriages. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's the Liz Taylor of it all. I also miss
Speaker 1: on TV. Yeah, I missed the camp of television, right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of it looked like it was
Speaker 1: going to come back with Empire, yes, and it kind
Speaker 1: of didn't didn't. It feels like it's still on and
Speaker 1: I like people still watch it, but it's not as
Speaker 1: like culturally powerful as it was the first reason she
Speaker 1: was fully doing that was such a juicy juice. Well
Speaker 1: that's what I saw glitter as. I saw it as camp,
Speaker 1: But I think we were all in a different movie,
Speaker 1: like I saw it as care But you know you
Speaker 1: were greatly that you singing, Yeah, it's so good, and
Speaker 1: I was actually because it's hard to sing bad. I
Speaker 1: mean I sing that normally, but it's hard to like
Speaker 1: trying to behind my mind, I was in a comedy.
Speaker 1: You know like I don't know. I think I think
Speaker 1: you were. So the moment that you walk into that
Speaker 1: dressing room, like that first scene, I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: like the way that you just back up, They're just
Speaker 1: back up. Yes, they won't matter, like like turn Soak down,
Speaker 1: turn Billy away, Oh my god, it's my life. But
Speaker 1: just the way that Patton walks into the dressing room
Speaker 1: with the manager, I'm just like that Howard. Of course,
Speaker 1: I was like, that person knows the whole thing for me.
Speaker 1: Here's why I played that role the way I did.
Speaker 1: I think because you know I have I have lived
Speaker 1: my life until very recently very like in fear, not
Speaker 1: in fear, but I was really like insecure and felt
Speaker 1: like I didn't belong and in timidated by everyone else
Speaker 1: in the room. And so I know how I perceived
Speaker 1: those people, and that's what I was playing. I was
Speaker 1: playing one of those people who had all the power.
Speaker 1: And it was so fun to experience what that was like,
Speaker 1: you know, and to pretend at that can I ask
Speaker 1: you a character think about Silk? Yeah, do you think
Speaker 1: that Silk knew that Terrence Howard was using Maria's voice
Speaker 1: over her? And then she was in on it. She
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, we'll use this ghost voice. And I
Speaker 1: don't think she cared. She didn't care. She was just out.
Speaker 1: She didn't want to know the details. Just make me
Speaker 1: a fucking start. You heard it from the source herself.
Speaker 1: We've all been asking about what silk motivations. Honestly, that's
Speaker 1: how I played it. You know, there's another scene in
Speaker 1: there which sadly gets cut where you know, there's a
Speaker 1: fight that happens between Mariah and Max Beasley's actor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was doing in that movie either.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you couldn't find somebody from America within Like
Speaker 1: I love Maxi's you know, I used to live in London,
Speaker 1: so I know him a little bit. Great actor and
Speaker 1: a great guy. But I was like, this is such
Speaker 1: weird gasting. It's weird. They couldn't get like, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get someone like like a McConaughey. It's actually
Speaker 1: he's doing Mary Mark drag, but the character was British.
Speaker 1: The character was literally Mark. He came in and did
Speaker 1: the whole mocky mock thing like they had a dialog
Speaker 1: coach on there. I think, So I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was for him, and there were a lot of
Speaker 1: people on set, but I mean, and this was when
Speaker 1: Maria was dating Louis Luis Miguel and you would see
Speaker 1: there this is when people still use limousines. And maybe
Speaker 1: I can tell you from having just seen her in
Speaker 1: Goanas she uses it's like a black Okay, Well, these
Speaker 1: were the days of like those really long and they're
Speaker 1: limousines like parked right next to each other. And then
Speaker 1: he would go visit her in her trailer and they
Speaker 1: would deliver pizza boxes to it, and then like half
Speaker 1: an hour later, the pizza boxes would get thrown out
Speaker 1: of the door for like like whatever the ones that
Speaker 1: hadn't eaten here, you guys going to have the rest.
Speaker 1: She had the craziest boyfriends there and then Derek J. Jeter.
Speaker 1: Did she go out with Derek Jeeter during the like
Speaker 1: butterfly eraw my all when that was a single, she was, well,
Speaker 1: Mariah and that's been in was my number one. They're
Speaker 1: all these holes in my popular And when I was
Speaker 1: not only working, but you know, I was sent back
Speaker 1: to India evere summer, so like when hair came out,
Speaker 1: I was not there for certain like Star Wars movies.
Speaker 1: I don't like Star Wars. I mean, I don't not
Speaker 1: like Star Wars. Actually just come for you. Well my
Speaker 1: prerequisite white mail over there. But you know, like it's
Speaker 1: just it's weird, like you know, so they're all these
Speaker 1: holes in pockets. So I must have missed Derek Jeter
Speaker 1: and everyone was the fact that they were both bi racial.
Speaker 1: That was like a story in the news. But I
Speaker 1: think they and then maybe even it was like something
Speaker 1: for one of them said like we understand each other
Speaker 1: because they're both super famous and also bi racial. But
Speaker 1: that was like a thing or at least that my
Speaker 1: ten year old brain to this day. Um, maybe it
Speaker 1: was just some disc jockey talking about it. But Mariah
Speaker 1: was my number one. Like when I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: I would play the Butterfly album out and so did
Speaker 1: say You've got me feeling emotion. That was so that
Speaker 1: was But this was like once I started to actually
Speaker 1: like music. It was like nineties seven and I I
Speaker 1: love that Butterfly album and so she was like at
Speaker 1: the height for me when later came out. So literally PANDMA.
Speaker 1: On the day of nine eleven, my mother pulled me
Speaker 1: out of school because of what was happening. We lived
Speaker 1: in Long Island, and I was like and I was like,
Speaker 1: are you taking me out? Because you know how excited
Speaker 1: I am to get the Glitter album. My mom was like, no, um,
Speaker 1: something happened in the city and I don't want you
Speaker 1: in school. I want you home with me. And I
Speaker 1: was like, well, we have to go get the Glitter album.
Speaker 1: I'm so I've been so excited for September eleven one
Speaker 1: because that's the day that Glitter is coming out. And
Speaker 1: she was like, I think it's going to be closed, babe,
Speaker 1: and I was like no, and I freaked out. I
Speaker 1: said we have to go to the Tower Records and
Speaker 1: literally four literally, so I was like, I was like whatever.
Speaker 1: I was like, we must go. She was like, you
Speaker 1: don't understand. It's not going to be open. I was like,
Speaker 1: if you don't take me, I'm gonna freak out. So
Speaker 1: then she took me to the store. The workers at
Speaker 1: the store were like, we are not We're gonna go home?
Speaker 1: Are you crazy? My mom was like, just give me
Speaker 1: because like it's just gonna make anything for everyone. And
Speaker 1: we got it. And so, while like everyone was dealing
Speaker 1: with that day, I was listening to like you that
Speaker 1: freaking thing. It's a it's very good front to back.
Speaker 1: I love that ship. Yes, just like just like how
Speaker 1: my coming to New York story has pad mr fused
Speaker 1: in it. You're nine eleven story, but I'm deep in
Speaker 1: it in it, let me tell you. And I actually
Speaker 1: I don't think I saw them in theaters just because eleven,
Speaker 1: but I had the album and I still think hashtag
Speaker 1: Justice for Glitter just like it's true. Like I you know,
Speaker 1: one of my most proud things. There's this ice cream place,
Speaker 1: um called the Big a ice Cream Yeah we know, okay, well, um,
Speaker 1: one year for Balance, I say, they asked if they
Speaker 1: could do my recipe and all of their soft serve
Speaker 1: machine Oh my god, Rose pedal and they did a
Speaker 1: card of him one it's your recipe. Yeah, yeah, from
Speaker 1: one of my books. It was such a huge thing
Speaker 1: that I told like all my family. They were like
Speaker 1: all my friends. I think I sent like a general
Speaker 1: email like hey everybody, I don't even tell them when
Speaker 1: I'm like on the Today Shop, I was like, there's
Speaker 1: this ice cream store in the village and I made
Speaker 1: them make I was like, you don't need have to
Speaker 1: pay me, just give me, like make me a cake
Speaker 1: for Christiana's birthday, because her birthday February. And I was
Speaker 1: so happy because the only other person they have done
Speaker 1: that with at the time was be Arthur, because they
Speaker 1: do the Golden Girls stuff. They have all the Golden
Speaker 1: Girl's characters, and I have made it. Now. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: the title of m I can't let go of this
Speaker 1: thing that hadn't I said earlier where she was like,
Speaker 1: because like what the culture that you take in defines
Speaker 1: who you are. It's how you express yourself. And I
Speaker 1: think that is like, I think that is why you
Speaker 1: are so so well liked, well respected, is because you
Speaker 1: take in so much. You've you've processed so many different
Speaker 1: things from different areas and fields, and that that just
Speaker 1: makes you a complete person in other people's eyes. I mean,
Speaker 1: people come at you with respect but also re relatability
Speaker 1: in this way that is so balanced and so so
Speaker 1: comforting and so wonderful. UM, so thank you for coming on.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I don't think so hunt Yes, which is
Speaker 1: our segment. That's UM Birth Many a live show. We
Speaker 1: are going on tour and you can buy tickets UM online.
Speaker 1: We're on sale now. We're going to be in Portland, Seattle,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Vancouver for JFL, Dallas, Austin, fer Moon Tower, Houston,
Speaker 1: d C, Boston, and Philly. So all those city used
Speaker 1: and probably more going to be added. We're very excited.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be February through April and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: doing I don't think so honey live. So now it's
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey for one minute to rant
Speaker 1: against something in culture. Can I ask you when you're
Speaker 1: gonna be oh April nineteen for south By South but
Speaker 1: not for south By But things could happen when we
Speaker 1: happen where we go. Um yeah, if work, let's up,
Speaker 1: I will definitely if work, let's up, let's up, let's up. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know how they let up? It was this thing
Speaker 1: after I did our comedy show at ascat TV. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. I love them so much
Speaker 1: the last time because I did improv with them years
Speaker 1: and years ago. I remember them, yes, and as part
Speaker 1: of this like you know thing because they were on
Speaker 1: because they did show that. This was like way back
Speaker 1: when I was pregnant and I had a car toon
Speaker 1: on my way there, so like CV since then, but
Speaker 1: it was great. Yeah, it was so cool. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: had to do storytelling you monologues and stuff, and then
Speaker 1: they improvised so fun. You're the perfect estra that I
Speaker 1: wanted to improvise with them, he liked. Of him, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, an improp star. Yeah. Okay, so Matt, Matt
Speaker 1: and I will go first that we have pad Matt,
Speaker 1: and then we'll close out. I have a good one,
Speaker 1: you have a good one. Here. This is Matt Rodgers
Speaker 1: is I don't think so, honey, and his time starts
Speaker 1: and now I don't think so honey. Anyone who says, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know celebrities, like that's supposed to be a
Speaker 1: good thing to impress me that you don't care about
Speaker 1: pop culture. I'm specifically talking honey to my lift driver
Speaker 1: in l A, who was the chattiest of them all,
Speaker 1: and you know they get chatty on the lifts, and
Speaker 1: l A, who said to me after I got out
Speaker 1: of a podcast, said what were you doing? I said,
Speaker 1: I was on a podcast where I talked about pop culture.
Speaker 1: He says, oh, I don't know celebrities. And then somehow
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck gets brought up and he all of a
Speaker 1: sudden has a big opinion on Casey Afflet and Manchester
Speaker 1: by the Sea. And I'm like, okay, so if you
Speaker 1: don't know celebrities, why the hell well do you have
Speaker 1: an opinion on Casey Affleck and this niche ass movie.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. It's because you only said
Speaker 1: that to try to impress, because it's the straight male
Speaker 1: thing that's like heater thing, like, wow, we're too cool
Speaker 1: for pop culture. If you think you're too cool to
Speaker 1: know what's going on in the world, I have another
Speaker 1: thing coming for you, honey. I don't think so, Honey,
Speaker 1: you know about Casey Affleck, you know about culture. Stop
Speaker 1: lying to me bit and oh my god, spirited. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can do this is I don't
Speaker 1: think when you were talking about what were you talking about?
Speaker 1: Just you got fired up about nachos, about the movie
Speaker 1: theater Nachos? I did, But I think I have something better. So,
Speaker 1: but but can you believe I can't believe you think
Speaker 1: it's like cool. Celebrities doesn't mean pop cultures exactly. Pop
Speaker 1: culture is so much more than celebrities to do with people.
Speaker 1: I hate that word celebrity too, because everyone's a celebrity,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone is. That's the problem. That's like five
Speaker 1: minutes and their celebrity. I mean, Matt. I like to
Speaker 1: say people of note people, but I will say Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram, thank you for my new blue check. Got
Speaker 1: you got blue check on Twitter too? Yes, congrats, thank
Speaker 1: you thing. You probably been verified since the age of one,
Speaker 1: so you don't even care started started last. I was
Speaker 1: born before Twitter. My fame was born before Twitter and
Speaker 1: the verified life. Okay, so this is Bowen Yanks. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, And as time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. White elephant, honey, this is the
Speaker 1: Christmas season, do not Yes, white elephants are structurally flawed.
Speaker 1: It's for the fact that other people can steal. Is
Speaker 1: just crushes people's dreams. And I am all for a
Speaker 1: secret Santa with no cap, with no price cap. It
Speaker 1: just means as long as everyone's coming in with the
Speaker 1: understanding that it's not about the price of the gift,
Speaker 1: it's about what, you know what, the sentimentality of it,
Speaker 1: the feeling of it. Whatever. I think white elephant is
Speaker 1: study sexually insane. I was just part of the New
Speaker 1: York Magazine strategist Celebrity White elephant gift exchange. I got
Speaker 1: gorgeous a bars locks um from someone. It was great.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's locks so I'll eat it vacuum
Speaker 1: had they'll ship it to me in a box. I
Speaker 1: just think gift exchanges should be I think, I think
Speaker 1: out with white elephant just Secret Santa's Only. White elephant
Speaker 1: is crazy. It's not personal, it's randomized five seconds not personal.
Speaker 1: It's literally impersonal and therefore Secret Santas only. I'm a
Speaker 1: purist at heart. That's my minute, and that's one minute.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. The white elephant thing is crazy
Speaker 1: because if I if I was given a gift, I like,
Speaker 1: the gift is support and I didn't know if I
Speaker 1: have too much champagne for the mind, A grateful for
Speaker 1: the ground, so grateful for the champions, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't like white elephants. I don't like Secret Santa's either.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, gifts should only be given when
Speaker 1: really felt like there's a reason to give a gift.
Speaker 1: We don't. In my family. We only give gifts to
Speaker 1: the kids. And everyone wants to know, you know, Christian
Speaker 1: wants and I'm like, she doesn't need anything about their
Speaker 1: pants which she keeps looking. And she's a New Yorker.
Speaker 1: She wants to become a pop star. She does, and
Speaker 1: she will become when yet Yes, all right, listen, this
Speaker 1: is Poma. I don't think so, honey. And your time
Speaker 1: starts now. Okay, did you steal that from me when
Speaker 1: time starts now? Because that's what I mean. Sure, let's
Speaker 1: say we did. We still your time starts now, we'll
Speaker 1: say let's say, yes, we still love from you. But
Speaker 1: all you have to do is say I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: and go for you steal this from us? Ready, and
Speaker 1: your time starts now? I don't think so, honey. I
Speaker 1: have to tell you what I really get upset about is, um,
Speaker 1: I've been getting a little bit of slut shamming fan mail,
Speaker 1: which I guess is not I almost posted one of
Speaker 1: these letters, but then I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to but I got three. You know,
Speaker 1: the show started two weeks ago, so we've had two
Speaker 1: episodes on air, and after the first episode I got
Speaker 1: a letter about you know how I was wearing something
Speaker 1: too provocative and I was like, what the hell. First
Speaker 1: of all, they're like, you know, the show is not
Speaker 1: about you it's about the chefs. I'm like, well, then,
Speaker 1: why are you talking about my nipples? I don't think. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's just like you're the one fixated on them. I
Speaker 1: am not. And I like to dress the way I
Speaker 1: like to dress. And by the way, I thought everybody
Speaker 1: had nipples seconds, Okay, I really don't understand that. And
Speaker 1: I just want to say that I can be a
Speaker 1: feminist and show my nipples too, And I don't think
Speaker 1: it's fair that you boys get to show your nipples
Speaker 1: and I'm not showing my nipples anyway. And I don't
Speaker 1: think one minute quote unquote fan mail unbelievable. And also there,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not about the look, but the hat
Speaker 1: that you were Television is a visual medium and otherwise
Speaker 1: it's a stainless steel kitchen, and most people in coats
Speaker 1: chef coats, you know what I mean. Like, I like
Speaker 1: to dress the way I like to dress. Like like,
Speaker 1: it's not about your clothes. I'm like, that's right, So
Speaker 1: I can dress how I want. I'm at in the
Speaker 1: kitchen cooking, but that fascinator was happulous. I was going
Speaker 1: to say, I was going to compliment the fascinator that
Speaker 1: look so chic. That was such a good triumph. Albert
Speaker 1: did a great job that day. That was a Brandon
Speaker 1: Maxwell Maxwell Designer jumpsuit. And you know, we tried everything.
Speaker 1: We tried band aids, we tried silicone. Also, our friend
Speaker 1: Dave wants us to tell you it was important to
Speaker 1: him that we tell you that you were a ponytail.
Speaker 1: That fucking slay it for him. Thank you want. The
Speaker 1: only thing I could think of was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have great hair this season. I have like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend Genie Genie who is my hairdresser on the show,
Speaker 1: she also does me, you know in New York. Whenever
Speaker 1: I've read carpet or what if she's fantastic, we just
Speaker 1: get bored. Yes, I'm like, I don't know, funck it.
Speaker 1: Let's you know, like all the way to the floor. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have done like you're going to see there's the
Speaker 1: twenties episode like episode it's a great Bellman dress and
Speaker 1: a real like Louise Brooks BG. Yeah, it's beautiful and
Speaker 1: it's just like it gets you know, we've been doing
Speaker 1: the show for a long time. Like I said, it's
Speaker 1: like an old marriage. So this woman was like, I
Speaker 1: know it really affected me. I was honestly, like really
Speaker 1: upset for two days because she said I'm ashamed to
Speaker 1: watch the show with my teenage and I was like,
Speaker 1: I really took it her personally because you know, I
Speaker 1: have a daughter, so and i find myself on top
Speaker 1: Shop being one of the few things you can watch
Speaker 1: with all your family, and I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going over no no, And I just felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I've done my share for for
Speaker 1: the ladies, you know, as far as fighting, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, I was so mad. You know, I think
Speaker 1: we also we have such a weird relationship to sexuality
Speaker 1: and naturalness. You know that we've forgotten, we've forgotten that
Speaker 1: it's it's a normal part of life. But also but
Speaker 1: not not that, not that the conversation should even be
Speaker 1: about sexuality in that moment, because it's not. I watched
Speaker 1: those I've watched episodes where I'm like, oh, Padma looks nice,
Speaker 1: great and what about the food. I mean, it can
Speaker 1: coexist in this space way. People are not just one thing.
Speaker 1: We're all layered, complicated, multifaceted, dimensional human being, multitudinous people.
Speaker 1: And it's what Matt said that speaks more that's her
Speaker 1: issue and has nothing to do with you. And also
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but there probably is something to do with
Speaker 1: the fact that, like, like, but when when certain women
Speaker 1: wear certain things, people are outraged and if Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: where is that ship all the time? And it is
Speaker 1: about women of color, and it is about women with
Speaker 1: certain body types when they were certain things, like when
Speaker 1: they were alter tops, etcetera. It's a fucking scandal. Meanwhile, literally,
Speaker 1: they're not wearing anything different than a lot of other women.
Speaker 1: So it's like, seriously, sit and spin and I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey, that woman and she's not sending a
Speaker 1: good example for her daughter. Also, I think I'm judged
Speaker 1: much more harshly now than I was when I was
Speaker 1: younger because I have spoken out about women's issues. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, for certain people, I can't be a serious
Speaker 1: thinker or somebody who you know stands for these things
Speaker 1: but also likes to look good in a bikini, like
Speaker 1: you know, can coexist and do coexist, and they will
Speaker 1: continue to exist. They are This was the episode. I
Speaker 1: had so much fun and this is so great. I
Speaker 1: feel like if I'm oh, wait, what we have to
Speaker 1: ask you? What did you do Union Square last. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, Yes, thank you for asking.
Speaker 1: I I got the biggest sugar rush of my life.
Speaker 1: I felt like Daffy Deaf for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: I hosted and judged this holiday bake off Kellogg's. So
Speaker 1: I go to the Union Square green Market and I
Speaker 1: go there like twice a week to buy whatever vegetables
Speaker 1: and brand and stuff. And I always saw this little
Speaker 1: Kellogg's logo across the street by Barnes and No when
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell is that? And I
Speaker 1: actually thought it was like their corporate headquarters. It's actually
Speaker 1: a cafe you go into and it has like a
Speaker 1: cereal bar, like sixteen handles like all of that. That's
Speaker 1: my dreams, WiFi and their couches. It's like, you know
Speaker 1: Central Perk from friends. That's really a cereal bar. It's
Speaker 1: really funny. Anyway, they reached out to me and they
Speaker 1: asked me to do this, and I was like, yeah, sure, okay,
Speaker 1: And so these four finalists had to make a dessert
Speaker 1: using any Kellogg's product cereal at least Kellogg's cereal in
Speaker 1: their holiday dessert. And so I did that just a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago and the winning dish was this
Speaker 1: amazing pear and very frosted flakes tart, and she won
Speaker 1: because she did this genius thing. First of all, she
Speaker 1: ground up the frosted flakes and use them in the
Speaker 1: crust of the tart. And also like these short red
Speaker 1: star cookies that she used to decorate powdered sugar. But
Speaker 1: she also made the cream custard with um Kellogg's frosted
Speaker 1: flakes soaked in the heavy cream until they got super
Speaker 1: soggy for twenty minutes, then strained it, then use that
Speaker 1: so you have cereal milk flavored custard under the fruit,
Speaker 1: which is sliced razor thin with nothing but a pairing knife.
Speaker 1: She didn't Madaline. No Mandoline, I asked her because I
Speaker 1: was like these you are really o c D. And
Speaker 1: it was so beautiful. That's amazing beautiful. You can you
Speaker 1: go on the red side if you want to. If
Speaker 1: you have a death bullish and want to reproduce this,
Speaker 1: we have to go to this. I think we gotta go.
Speaker 1: I will meet you there on Monday. When's your Friday? Now?
Speaker 1: The market isn't on Tuesday and Thursday. Usually they're between
Speaker 1: eleven thirty and twelve thirty love that will buy Our
Speaker 1: preserves are bread and then well, oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: such good preserves. They have a chili jam, which is
Speaker 1: the hottest fire hell have an arrow jam. It loves
Speaker 1: so delicious. Try chili jam on toast with peanut butter.
Speaker 1: You will die A spice spicy queen. I mean different
Speaker 1: than hot hot. No, no, no, I like it hot.
Speaker 1: I mean now, I like like. I can't take it
Speaker 1: as hot because my digestive tech has really taken a
Speaker 1: beating from from sixteen seasons, so I have to be,
Speaker 1: you know, a little mindful of that. But I still
Speaker 1: I love making hot sauces at home. I love making chutney's.
Speaker 1: I'm a big condiment girl, because if you have good
Speaker 1: condiments in the first you can just fling a dollar
Speaker 1: something in a frying pan, grilled some fish or chicken thigh,
Speaker 1: you know, will some spinach in the pan, juices. And
Speaker 1: I actually am so thrilled that we did not do
Speaker 1: the grilled cheese thing, because I don't want you to
Speaker 1: judge me making food. It is not up to tell
Speaker 1: you something. I don't want to talk about that first lady, badly,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: Michelle Obama because I love her and worship the girl
Speaker 1: and she walks on. But I read the preface of
Speaker 1: her autobiography, Becoming, and I almost it was like nails
Speaker 1: on a chalkboard that I was reading that Michelle Obama
Speaker 1: microwave to grilled cheese, and I was like, no, I
Speaker 1: just care about her image. Just fine. But I was
Speaker 1: just like, no, girl, let me show you the way.
Speaker 1: This is an opportunity. It's an opportunity for you to
Speaker 1: just to just strike up a relationship with her where
Speaker 1: you show her the way. Oh. I do have to
Speaker 1: ask Patma, have you seen this video that's this old
Speaker 1: clip from Oprah speaking of Oprah where this woman. Yes,
Speaker 1: I posted it. I know what you're talking about. The
Speaker 1: million dollars million dollar chicken thing. I think it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I used it as a meme's so because I would
Speaker 1: have been I think the same thing so many times
Speaker 1: in a day. And the thing is, I thank God
Speaker 1: and we have to end on that now. Oh my god, Padma,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. The show is
Speaker 1: top chef. I mean, you know what, you love it
Speaker 1: and you know Padma, you love Padma, Um. I want
Speaker 1: you to listen to my memoir. I really do. I
Speaker 1: mean I'm going to. And you said becoming And actually
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that my mother got me
Speaker 1: becoming for Christmas, but I would imagine she is. Um. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll close out with the song as we all is?
Speaker 1: Do you know you will? Here we go? Here, we
Speaker 1: got myself a lover come every times, good daddy, There's
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