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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this special edition of big Fish

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Speaker 1: Small Pod. This is our first big Fish Small Pod

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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four off season.

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Speaker 2: No, we're very excited to bring this to you.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know what the big Fish Small Pod is,

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Speaker 1: here we give you all the information about the Marlins

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Speaker 1: and what is happening on that particular day. And on

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Speaker 1: this edition, I am joined with mister Kevin Barral to

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Speaker 1: talk to.

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Speaker 2: You about the Rule five draft.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready, Kevin, I'm ready a lot to go

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Speaker 3: through for the decisions the Marlins made.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the first decision, the one that has

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Speaker 1: all Marlons fans up in arms, Troy Johnston not being protected.

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Speaker 1: Coming off a twenty twenty season, he could say he

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Speaker 1: was a top five player in the whole organization Troy

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Speaker 1: Johnston was last season and him not getting protected and

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Speaker 1: most likely he will be on another roster, maybe even

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Speaker 3: So definitely a puzzling move for the Marlins to not

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Speaker 3: protect Johnson. Obviously, he's the twenty twenty three mind Me

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Speaker 3: Marlins Minor League Player of the Year. This is a

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Speaker 3: guy who hit over three hundred and both at both

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Speaker 3: stops in Triple A and Double A this season. Although

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Speaker 3: you can make the argument that he was a little

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Speaker 3: spent a decent amount of time there, and found success.

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Speaker 3: As you mentioned, the twenty twenty season first to do

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Speaker 3: it first, mind me, Marlins mind the leagueer to have

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Speaker 3: a twenty twenty season since two thousand and eight. So

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Speaker 3: found it extremely weird. Johnson wasn't protected that he could

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Speaker 3: easily meet the opening day roster. And yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: he said it. Well, I think he's probably gonna get selected.

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Speaker 3: I don't he'll probably be a top ten pick in

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Speaker 3: them Rule five draft, but usually these drafts tend to

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Speaker 3: be reliever heavy. So I'm i'm I'm. You know, I'm

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Speaker 3: last year, and I believe some other teams as well,

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Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens. Wishing Troy the best hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you know, he's the nicest guy in this organization.

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Speaker 3: If he does get selected, he's gonna be a big leaguer.

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Speaker 3: So and he gets to be on the twenty six

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned relievers, and there is one reliever that

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Speaker 1: the Marlins did protect in the Rule of five draft

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Speaker 1: as Anthony Maldonado getting protected as well as Victor Mesa

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Speaker 1: Junior getting along to VMJ a little bit on the pot.

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Speaker 1: But with Maldonado, what are the Marlins getting with him

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Speaker 1: on their forty man roster. Maybe what's his outlook now

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Speaker 1: as maybe they see him more long term in the bullpen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Maldonado obviously two seasons in a row with an

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Speaker 3: it's obviously higher than the ERA in this case, but

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Speaker 3: slider fastball combo really relies on the slider mainly, and

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Speaker 3: this is a guy who's gonna get a lot of

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: The only difference with Nardi and Maldonado, obviously is just

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Speaker 3: the pitch mix. Maldonada's limit only goes with two pitches

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Speaker 3: bit more pitches. But Maldonado's definitely a great lock into

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, well, we've seen him how he played in

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Speaker 1: twenty four season. And the other guy that Marlin's protected,

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, is he the best position player in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is by far the best position player in

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I think he agreed with us that

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Speaker 3: he is the best position player master junior. Honestly, man,

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Speaker 3: seventy six RBI, sixteen stolen bases, all career highs for him.

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Speaker 3: Despite not being a one over one hundred WRC plus player,

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Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens. He definitely could be a

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Speaker 1: Does he had twenty twenty potential VMJ.

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Speaker 3: He was close. He was pretty close this past year.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll steal twenty bags. He definitely

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Speaker 1: Speaking of stealing bags, let's talk about you could say

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Speaker 3: So above the forty man roster, just under that, you

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Speaker 3: he's ever done it. That's very encouraging. A lot of

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Speaker 3: both positions he and just to clarify, the Arizona Fall

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Speaker 3: So definitely a guy who we want to have on

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Speaker 3: he definitely has a good shot at not getting drafted.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the easiest way he could say. You know,

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Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens. As I mentioned, it's a

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Speaker 2: And the last guy we have to talk about.

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Speaker 1: MLB dot Com put on an article on players that

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Speaker 1: each team should protect on their way to the Rule

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Speaker 2: Protecting him not protecting him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was always on the on the fence

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Speaker 3: with this Will Banfield situation. He's a very good defensive catcher.

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Speaker 3: He is the best defensive catcher in the Marlins organization,

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Speaker 3: On a major league team. But this is the first

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Speaker 3: real season Banfield looks has success offensively, you know, as

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Speaker 3: Aside from that, he just doesn't get on base of

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Speaker 3: Mary much. We'll see what happens with Banfield. I do

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Speaker 3: it's not a very risky decision to leave him unprotected.

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Speaker 3: I do think he starts with triple at Jacksonville, and

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Speaker 3: are not to acquire a catcher in the offseason. Obviously

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Speaker 3: a catcher outside of the organization.

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Speaker 1: And keV lasting before we go, I'm not gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you to give me a player, but what position would

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Speaker 1: you like to see the Marlins draft into Rule five.

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Speaker 1: I believe Dane Myers was selected, not too long ago

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Speaker 2: Like you mentioned? What what would do you think? What

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Speaker 3: I don't know, honestly, I would love to see them

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Speaker 3: go after a reliever. That's usually the way this draft works. Now,

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Speaker 3: that would obviously be a good sign. But this is

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Speaker 3: Most likely reliever is what makes a lot of sense. Now,

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Speaker 3: I know a guy. If they think there's a first

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Speaker 3: highly doubt. I think Troy is gonna be the best

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Speaker 3: do that, but I would one reliever here. They could

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Speaker 3: develop this reliever as much as they want. Obviously the

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Speaker 3: one and right last season that didn't end up working out.

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Speaker 3: But Miami really likes to find a lot of success.

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Speaker 3: They tend to find success in the Triple A portion

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Speaker 3: they went with Dane Myers, two guys who made it

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Speaker 3: is now a free agent, Dane Myers is still here

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Speaker 3: and he has a good chance at making that twenty

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Speaker 3: six man roster through spring training, So we'll see what

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Speaker 3: happens on that case, but definitely the Triple A portions

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Speaker 3: where you should be looking at least for the Marlins

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Speaker 3: to make an aggressive selection, most likely a position player.

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Speaker 2: All right, Kevin, I want to thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 1: This has been a great little conversation about the Rule

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Speaker 1: five draft and talking about Troy Johnson, who we're still

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Speaker 1: a little thinking about that protection what was going to

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Speaker 1: happen there, But again, always a pleasure talking to you

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Speaker 1: and always for you guys listening.

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Speaker 2: This is big fish, small pod. Always go Fish.