WEBVTT - Loose Ends [10] 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:15.480 You may start the conversation now what you're the world? 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:21.840 Hell those strains. I'm finally out the hold of everything. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.560 I'm doing great. They let me out yesterday. You know, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.120 it was the craziest thing. And boy, how the incident happened. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.440 Boy will be a separate podcast except but you would 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.520 never believe. Maybe it's a good thing that went down 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.920 because a lot of role bluffs got out on the 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.400 way and a lot of rules got over pain. Wayne 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.760 was out of the hole and I dearly calls with him. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.960 We're now back in full swing. They let me out 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.519 yesterday at the institute. You know, they were weigh out 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.320 of from listening on to said, yeah, it's going good 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.240 and all that, you know, and they're telling me they've 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.640 been following it all and and they explained it. And 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.680 I sat down with the ward and all three of them, 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:57.720 and I explained the whole project what we do sat 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.520 gen way, he said, because I was played him. I said, 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.320 you know, I'm not trying to talk to me. I said, 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:03.840 we're trying to do stuff to pace out on FLA. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.120 He said, well, the people you need to get in 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.720 here and see like t I like, he said, do 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.600 you get with me and the lawyer and I'll make 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:12.640 it happen. They put me back in the same though 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.360 back it was, but everything they did a complete reset. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:19.600 It had been a month since I last talked to Wayne. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.240 Before I could ask him any more questions, it was 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.360 strictly business. He first set up a conference call with 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:30.319 Dwayne and I was up. It was hold on one second. 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:35.080 Wayne is on the other lines. Yeah, I've got Dwayne 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.920 here in Pain, and I want to reiterate the saying 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.840 they would Wayne on the line when we said to 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:44.280 make sure that everybody's off in fact, same page. Nobody 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.040 speaks for Wayne but Wayne. But I've never delegated chairman 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.000 to him. All the contexts regarding the interurnacy and the 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.320 legal affairs on that some Pain understands because that anything 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.840 regarding to release some documents and uh anything like the 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.120 case needs to come through Dwayne, because Dwayne is the 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.120 most knowledge below in this case. And my guys playing 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.600 to pay. You're the only person to Jim that could 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.440 actually what we're him to the neighborhoods. We introduce it 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.560 to the people he's gonna really need to see because 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.200 they're not going to talk with him otherwise. To to 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.480 beat the bushes and all see anything regarding my legal 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.720 case to the way where I'm delegating the things pay 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.639 regarding the legal case in contact, you go through Jimmy 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.280 on all of that, make that happen. And then they 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.160 regarding the documents or whatever, we have to go through 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.799 Dwayne and says in the institute of people I trust 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.280 to do that. The podcast was airing now and it 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.200 seemed like it was making Wayne a little antsy. Next, 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.760 he set up a conference call with his friend Jimmy. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.040 You're gonna have to get mcgimpy. He's gonna have to 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.639 kick you meet all of these different people in all 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.160 of that takes money. It is you understand what I'm saying. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.120 Like that, Dwayne is gonna do the same thing. When 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.440 they're gonna be suspects. They're gonna meet people who eye 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.680 witnesses to these things, but they have to take you 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.040 into goods. Did you cant going I'm being funny pay 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.320 but being a young white boy that places, you can't 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.639 go about yourself with this. They're gonna happen to you. Yes, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.880 to you understanding what I'm saying is about He didn't 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.600 have one minute lesson they're the eyes. Yes, to get 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.760 it right, they'd be able to tell you know, it 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.040 didn't happen. That's what, Yes, it did happen that way. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.160 Go by the would any of them say unless you 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.920 hear that for me? They could give you input and all. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.600 But basically the ball, the ball stops will be paid. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:31.200 That's what I'm trying to say. Wayne would have never 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:36.520 been cans if he was smarter. But the reason Wayne 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.640 was convicted was because of what he did understand when 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.040 he went off the way he went on in court. Now, 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:48.000 part of that was it was very welcome is at 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.240 Chinese fault. The first two days that Wayne was testifying, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.440 he was cool. They was asking him questions about being 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.440 gay and all of this different stuff, and he was saying, look, man, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.080 I don't know nothing about this stuff. I didn't do this. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.240 I wasn't there. And he was cool, calm and collected 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.000 the dispense. Attorney told him to fight back on the 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.240 stand and that's what ended up really getting Wayne for 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.480 getting the guilty verdict. Because people was like, oh, he 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.280 is a doctor, Dico, Mr. The high person. It was 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.160 they heard come to me and do that was a 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:25.680 new story. Channel five ran he said Wayne Williams of tears, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.000 too cool and calm. They were responded to a dirt 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.160 blue story. God, she told me Wayne, you need to 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.680 be more forceable. You're looking too calm and cool and 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.360 very threat quit if I didn't do that. And Atlanta, 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.839 another party was discovering today a police task force headquarters. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.040 There are twenty seven faces on the wall. Twenty six murdered, 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.719 wasn't missing. We do not know the person or persons 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.640 that are responsible. Therefore, we do not have the morte 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.040 from tender for TV and house to forks in Atlanta. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.839 Like a lot of other recent victims in Atlanta, Rogers 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:02.359 apparently was asphyxiated. Atlanta unlikely to catch the killer unless 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:06.320 he keeps on killing. This is a man of monster. 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.040 The first thing I asked Wayne was about the trial 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.960 when he lost his cool on the witness stand. Are 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.240 you're going to find out all of what happened behind 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.920 the scenes on this? Wayne doesn't agree with this, but 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.120 this is my theory behind that. I really think that 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.159 she was a plant. Dwayne is convinced that Wayne's attorney 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.200 Mary Welcome with some sort of plant, but he had 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.719 no evidence to back that theory. Even Wayne himself disagreed. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.040 I was the one that shows Mary. They didn't choose me. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.560 You know what I'm saying that was that was a 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.800 s furnament And you know, because I had known him 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.200 before another and be honest with you, I liked as 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.960 a person, how strong over and that's I didn't live. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:58.160 He was fine. But that thing they do. But I mean, 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.720 but they didn't bring it to mind, that annoy yet 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:09.000 you would find she was fine, fine, It was fine, okay, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.920 apparently it was pretty fun and Mary welcome. I asked 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.760 him about to blow up on the witness stand. This 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.760 was I think my second day on the witness stand. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.240 And that was an article in the paper and in 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.400 one of the TV stations has been said that I 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.920 was being too cool and calm on the witness stand. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.000 So my attorneys saw that and they were saying that 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.159 we need to do something we never they were a friend. 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.360 That was Lewis and jury. I was cutting off, being 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.120 too calm and colined, whatever the hick that means, and 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.160 so fid they say, why we need you to be 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.560 more possible and project yourself And I said, how do 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.080 I do this? I mean, how do you try to 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.480 present yourself in such a way because I don't think 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.080 most people realize there isn't a story book that is 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.600 the guy to how you respond to the witness that 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.080 I don't care what we can tell you about what 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:03.640 kind of perform as you move to. And I just responded, 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.800 you know. And and I was so upset that I 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.800 under sense. And that was a tragic misa me because 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.560 people thought I exploded and I thought, no, I was 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.920 well under control. I wasn't. I wasn't upset at district 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.760 Attorney's over saying I was upset and my laudeous but 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.480 put me in such a tragic situation. So that's what 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.880 my frustration was over. So do you need to that 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:30.080 played a big role in your conviction, no doubt, no doubt. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:31.920 We we talked for a lot of the journ of 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.080 us afterwards, and and and I believe it or not, 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.800 you could actually see the look on their face and 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.800 I could sense it, you know, it was like they 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.080 were like, oh my god, you know. And the dad 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.680 I literally played myself by the stupidity into the teenage 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.320 hands and and and it was it was the turning 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.320 point in the trial. We felled out later on, you know, 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.560 and talking to Wayne and looking at the evidence of 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.440 this case. The entire case was built on fiber evidence. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.400 There were no fingerprints. I mean, there are allegations that 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.360 some of Wayne's victims were at his house or in 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.760 his car. You mean not one fingerprint was found in 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.080 Wayne's house. He was that methodical that he cleaned all 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.400 of these fingerprints. No neighbors ever said, hey, we saw 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.160 these little boys going in the Wayne's house prison. Right. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.240 If Wayne was not on that bridge, the case would 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.520 have been solved a different way, or it would still 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:31.040 be unsolved. Take that bridge out of the equation, then 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.840 what do you have? Vincent Hill reiterated several episodes back 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.960 the overall importance of the bridge fiber evidence aside. If 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.000 you take the bridge out of the equation, you don't 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.840 have Wayne to begin with. Let's listen back to Wayne's 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.640 version of the bridge. In Cent from one of my 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:49.480 first calls with him. Alpha doors of Pitch is Alpa 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:54.559 bed sized and one that was the first time I 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.360 a Woyd talk to her about thirty four o'clock. That's 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.240 what she said, you know, I to audition. I said, well, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.520 before the audition, he needs to interview. He tried to 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.000 persuade the jury he really was out near a bridge 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.120 that night looking for us Cheryl Johnson, who still remains 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.240 a mystery to this trial. The state implied he fabricated 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.920 the story, but Williams didn't much from it, claiming the 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.680 woman simply gave him a wrong number and wrong address. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.599 And I was suspicious because the information she gave me 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.520 there from evers Cansey. I said always she knows some people, 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:27.840 knowing that the stunt calls some names, and she didn't 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.360 know him for that kind of reason to plan to say, well, 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.719 why don't you come body apartment were I'm staying with 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.760 the thread. I think she did about seven futigue. I 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.959 gotta be a working at an apartment. That's when she 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.079 gave me the address. I mean you should by that 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.199 address and TVA and I told people are to see 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.840 you tomorrow morning. So as a matter of fact, if 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.080 you look at my statements, I even tell the police 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.560 said the on CONTs not when I took the address 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.680 B because I felt it was a fake address. That's 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.959 why I'm going out to shaking in the first place. 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.040 I don't know if we should. That's her name. That 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:58.920 was just the name that she did. We were doing 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.960 a public ord a lot of people being fat names 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.880 and sat address, so I say all the hoopla over 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.240 Cheryl Johnson's name. You know, she was a plane call. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.600 The prosecution claimed that Wayne Williams had fabricated the entire 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.000 story of Cheryl Johnson, saying she was fake, and now 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.760 years later, Wayne agrees he was receiving hundreds of calls 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.040 from music auditions and every so often he get a 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.280 prank call, this being one of them. But regardless whether 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.760 or not Ryl Johnson was a prank call, Wayne still 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.760 claims that she called him. Well, at least somebody did. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.680 Over the course of a few weeks, I kept asking 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.760 him about it, trying to pinpoint an exact timeline for everything, 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.559 and according to Wayne, it starts like this. Do you 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.200 originally did not call me? This was the key point. 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.920 She called my mother, En left a note, you know, 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.719 and my mother left her notes and I and this 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.280 was one of the one if I was leading. Now, 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.280 according to Wayne, Cheryl Johnson originally did not call him. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.920 She called the number on Wayne's flyer, which at the 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.240 time was his house phone. He wasn't there, so his 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.080 mother answered. This happened the day before the bridge incident. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.440 Anytimes about a call about an autist and I want 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:09.840 their UH college to do it, she would just write 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.439 a post it note you know about I talked to 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.600 her the next day. My mom was the one who 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:20.640 wrote the college. My mom wrote that. So Wayne's mom 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.839 took the call from Cheryl Johnson the day before the 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.160 bridge incident and wrote down her information on a slip 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.080 of paper to give Dwayne. But what exactly did Wayne's 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.079 mom write on the piece of paper? See this wrote comment, 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.960 See your mom wrote down her number and then where'd 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.599 you get the address from? For her pet On the 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.720 note his mom left him was Sheryl Johnson's name, phone number, 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.240 and her address. But Wayne did not make contact with 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.000 her until the next day, around four pm on the 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.880 same night of the bridge incident. According to Wayne, he 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.760 didn't call her. She called his house phone again, but 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.599 this time he was there to answer it. And and 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.720 the next day, um, she called back about four o'clock. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:59.599 That's when I answered, you know, and I you know, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.480 I think if something was wrong with this woman, because 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.440 how information didn't add up many it didn't add up. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.600 This is where things started to get a little confusing. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.480 So I'll do my best to break it down, Wayne says. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.959 The next day he didn't call Sheryl Johnson back, but 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.400 she called his house phone again. Even though Wayne had 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.520 the information to call back himself. With so much emphasis 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.480 on the note from his mom, it seemed to add 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.600 for him to point out. So I asked him about 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.040 it again, just for clarity. No, no, no, she called 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.520 me pain the phone. I don't know what number she 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.000 called I called. I did. I did not call her back, 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.240 That's what I'm saying. I talked to her the after 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.319 the whole This woman claimed she was on the afternoon 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.120 of the twenty one, about four o'clock. We talked about 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.840 maybe five minutes, and when she missed the address, that's 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.480 when you know she was talking. I gotta be at work. 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.720 I said, well, we need to do not an audition 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.800 like dam but an interview. I said, okay, we gotta 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.559 do an interview before ne York digon. That's when she 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.679 was done. She got to go back to MTIS and 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.800 as when I started questioning her on maybe, I said, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.880 we ought to know songs, so she didn't know anybody. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.120 I mentioned the names that memp my radar went up 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.360 at that point quite a few people in the music 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.199 because she didn't know any straight So that was the 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.280 only time on talk to this one, Will claimed to 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.079 be shared. He talked to her around four pm that 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.480 day for about five minutes, and he claimed he was 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.959 already a little suspicious of her, but he agreed to 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.199 meet her the next morning at her apartment anyway, and 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.240 he said that that phone call was the first and 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.600 last time he ever talked to Sheryl Johnson. So, your 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.840 mom got the call from from Cheryl Johnson and then 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.120 she wrote down the number and the address the back 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.840 the information, right, okay. So did you have that note 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.679 with you when you went driving out that night? Right? Right? 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.280 That's that's the note, right, okay? So you did you 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.880 take the note? I put my clock boy, I had 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.960 about eight notes. In other words, we did, or if 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.400 it hangs about calling you back, okay, I mean After 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.280 confirming his appointment with Caryl Johnson the next morning, Wayne 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.040 left his house later that night to go find her 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.720 address because he was still convinced she was a fake caller. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.199 When he left his house, he brought with him the 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.080 slip of paper his mother wrote down her phone number 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.599 and address on. So the night of the incident. What 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.160 time do you leave your house that night? I left 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.960 about six starting to pick up Willie. His first stop 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.520 that night was not to go find RYL. Johnson's address. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.880 He left around six thirty pm to go to a 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.719 recording studio called Hot Lanta Records to drop off a 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.600 bill for photo shoot services. We went straight to College 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.960 Park meetn Wear Jackie Gado and the people of Hotlins 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.000 bought down about the apple and a little the field 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.680 for the photo services I had done. And we stayed 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:31.320 there until about maybe about about an hour and uh 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.440 I left about seven forty five and I had to run. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.480 That was forgett it was a Thursday because I had 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.840 to rush back home to get the card of a 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.240 dad because he had a kawana's clothes beat that night 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.040 and he was late into the beat. But I had 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.080 to drop Willie when I got backwards about eight, maybe 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.480 a little after eight. I took Willie hon home first 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.320 and put the card of my dad. So after you 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.320 left the hot Landa Records, where did you go after that? 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.280 I went home. It's now around eight pm and he's 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.200 back at his house. You got home at eight, And 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:03.600 then when you leave the house again about one about 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.200 one that morning. Wayne says that he didn't leave the 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.360 house again until one am that night. In the FBI 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.120 case files, Wayne recounts his version of what happened that 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.320 night from that point forward. This is how reads verbat 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:19.600 him from the FBI documents. When Asta recount his activities 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.880 on the night of Williams stated that he had stopped 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.240 at the Santucci Lounge on West Peachtree to see Wilburt 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.320 Jordan's Williams was attempting to pick up a tape recorder 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.120 which he had loaned him. Williams recalled that he had 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.200 talked to a female who he stated was in her 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.920 forties and who was taking admission. The individual informed Williams 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.000 that Jordan had been in but was not around at 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.440 the time. Williams left a message with her regarding the 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.600 tape recorder and then drove to Smyrder, Georgia an attempt 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.000 to find Cheryl Johnson's address. I asked Wayne about this. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.400 You know, when I went out, my intention was to 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.480 go to the club about one thirty that morning, but 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.120 I did get to record my attention about silver before 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.920 leer the club. Let me check on this address first, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.720 and that's when I made the trip up to Cobb 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.640 County and all of his started transpired. But according to 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.760 FBI documents, we made to stop first at a club 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.680 called San Succi Lounge. Hey, I've got to staking I 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.800 sent you my I double made statement to anybody I 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.760 was going to the club. That was my attention to 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.720 get in recorder. I did go to the club until 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.640 the night of the seven. Wayne said he left his 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.640 house with the intention of going to the club, but 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.840 before he made it there, he decided to go check 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.360 on Sheryl Johnson's address first. Contrary to the FBI reports, 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.320 Wayne says he did not go to the club the 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.680 night of the bridge incident, but instead he went the 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:40.440 following night, the night of May. This whole thing was confusing, 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.400 so a few days later I asked him about it again. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:44.640 When I did when I when I went on there 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.720 that night, I went to that, said Susie. First, I 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.120 understand what I'm saying, yep. I went. After I let home, 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.440 I went to the dances at first, all right, I 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.240 asked for uh, what would you all done? Get it 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.640 in the stand, And that was my change. When I'll 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.520 be back later. I left there and I went back 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.000 on I was gonna go home, and I mayn't let 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.639 me check the padress, so I went. I went up 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.280 dead to buy an address. So this would have been 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:17.400 about I'm cancering about two o'clock something like that. Wayne's 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.600 version of the story had changed. Now he's saying he 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.679 did go to the club that night, the same night 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.000 he was pulled over on the bridge. So which one 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.399 was it? I heard different accounts to right out of 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:33.000 Wayne's mouth. But one thing that's really important. Being a 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.920 liar doesn't make you a killer. People I all the 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.920 time doesn't make you a killer. Wayne certainly told me 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.600 two completely different stories about the stands Fugi club, So 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.399 a few days later I asked him about it again. 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.600 I'm confused about when you went to the club. One 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.240 time you told me that you went to the club 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.240 before the bridge, and then one time you told me 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.440 that you went the next day. Okay, then let me 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.240 correct that. Okay, So so we'll we'll understand over all 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.879 the confusion over both the club was is that I 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.960 went to the club first and for the bridge incident. 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.280 I went to the club looking for the manager, who 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.040 was a friend of mine. As a matter of fact 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.040 he was a co producer with my music company. I 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.920 did not go to see him again. The FBI and 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.879 the statements driving to turn it around and claim that 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.720 I went to the club in Salt, you know, Johan, 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.840 I never said that. I never saw you know that night. 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.240 What I did was the next night after the bridge incident, 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.760 which would have been the nine of the twenty second, 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.400 I went to the club and Sal you know, Joan, 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.280 I was going out to pick up the cape recorder, 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.199 and so I did see him at the next night. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.520 Another thing we have pointed out to me in our 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.119 very first conversation about the bridge was something about his 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.199 handwriting and the phone number for RYL. Johnson. You may 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.720 remember this, and the only confusion in the statements was 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.919 over the thing on the telephone number in Cheryl Johnston. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.000 The number was nine three four Seller Stember six six. 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.000 You'll see when you get my riding. I'm going to 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:00.800 see it was four three four of the seven six. 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.679 My boys and my eyes looked alike because I closed 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.719 loop them, so the fours and nines were mixed up 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.960 because his handwriting looked the same on the note, No no, no, no, 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.840 you hear everything. The number I wrote was four three 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.879 four seven seven six six. Okay, they're looking at my 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.359 notes in the car, and my rite thought it was 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.520 a man. You understanding what I'm saying, my mines and 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.520 my foes. Look, I can't tell the difference they assumed 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.760 by my writing was nine three four, and that incorrect 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.280 information lasting to this date. So right, that's where the 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.040 confusing came in on it. So when that's why the 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.040 note was stilling part of because the note would have 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.080 shown it was four three fourth not nine three four. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.240 But Wayne told me earlier that his mother wrote the note, 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.040 the same note he brought with him in the car. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.479 So your mom got the call from some Cheryl Johnson 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.920 and then she wrote down the number and the address 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.480 like the call back information, right, okay, So did you 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.560 have that note with you when you went driving out 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.600 that night? Right? Right? That's that's the note, right, Okay? 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.800 So you did you take the note I put on 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.000 my clipboard. I had about eight notes on this, So 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.560 how was that possible? Wayne's theory about his handwriting would 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.720