1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: What do we even do? What are we even doing? 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: Okay, well, welcome to What are we even doing? I'm 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: your host, Kyle MacLachlan. Try to spell that. It's impossible. 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: This is the show where we sit down with your 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: favorite actors, creatives, Internet sensations. We dice and sliced, We 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: talk creativity, We talk ambition and the wild world of 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 2: social media. We basically get weird weird together in a 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: good way. Today, I'm very very happy to welcome actor, writer, producer, 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: very funny, hysterical comedian and as Marty Short likes to 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: call you, Jim Cole Booster, which made. 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Me laugh, I will tell you in studio that lasted. 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 3: He did it many other times and it lasted so 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: much longer than the the final. 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: Well, this is Joel Kim Booster. 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if Marty has this or me. I 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: don't know if you have this too. But when I 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: sometimes if I get in a situation the pressure like 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: I'm let's say we're at a party and that I 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: need to introduce, make an introduction, right, which I'm not 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: very good at, I sometimes will go it could be 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: my best friend, and the name just pumps right out 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 2: of my head for the moment, does it ever happen? 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Hasn't started to happen to me? 25 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: I has to give it a couple of years. 26 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: One of my great talents is introducing people. Actually though 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: I like, well, I'm I don't remember everyone's names, but 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: I do it. I introduce people a lot in order 29 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 3: to get someone else's name. That's the best part about 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 3: being married, by the way, is having someone eternally there. 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: To introduce to people so that you can be like, 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: what is this? 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: But my thing is is like I'm always like I 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 3: will introduce someone and be like, this is Justin. He 35 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 3: has his PhD In chemistry and he works for Apple 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: to make sure that our phones aren't poisoning us. And 37 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: this is Zane. He is a D and D dungeon master. 38 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: And now talk and like, I love doing That's the secret. 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: Is I love distilling a person down to a fun fact. 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, But I think I think that's the way 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: to do it. I think you have to have like 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: the two or three like you have to have that 43 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: little short two second not two second, but two line bio. 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, give them something to talk about exactly. 45 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 2: And I tend to be like Hey, it's uh. And 46 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: that's about as far as like they have to people like, oh, 47 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: I guess it might turn to talk now. 48 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: You know. 49 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: What my secret is to when I mean a new 50 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 3: person and I'm having that awful malta conversation and it's 51 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: paramount in LA to do this is I always say, like, 52 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: answer this question in any way you want, but what 53 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: do you do in LA? And that I find because 54 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: a lot of people when you just say what do 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: you do? They default to work? But like, sometimes that 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 3: is the more interesting answer, but sometimes I don't need 57 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: to hear that you're a consultant at Deloitte. 58 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: That's a conversation killer, you know. 59 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: So I've had people be like, when I've phrased and 60 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 3: I've proposed the question that way, They'll be like they'll 61 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: stop and they'll be like, I garden and I'm. 62 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: Like, okay, tell me about that. 63 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 4: I love. 64 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: That sounds way more interesting than whatever talking. Yeah, you know, 65 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: And so it's been fun. 66 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: That's a little bit of what we I think what 67 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: we do here. What I do is just like we 68 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: have a list of things, but I'm mostly curious to 69 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: just talk with you about whatever is sort of happening. 70 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: In the moment, and obviously to learn more about you 71 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: and talk about gardening. Well, I do love gardening, That's 72 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: that's for sure. 73 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 1: I've killed every plan you Yeah, okay. 74 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: I can help you with that. I've only killed half 75 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: of what which is a pretty good Yeah, that's a 76 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: pretty good ratio. We start out here just for talking 77 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: very generally. But the one question that I would like 78 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: to ask you is just about the moment when you 79 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: kind of realized this is what I meant to do, 80 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: this is this is my passion, but also something that 81 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: I want to spend my life doing. Is creative side 82 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: of you. 83 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: You know, It's interesting because I feel like I've had 84 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: that moment a number of times, and it's like re 85 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: upping sometimes because you have the moment and that keeps 86 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: you going. That's like that fills your gas tank for 87 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: a certain an amount of time, and then slowly you 88 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: get every no imaginable you you know, the things happened, 89 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: They things don't move forward in the way you thought 90 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: they would, and then your tank starts to deplete, and 91 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: then you finally get something that feels it back up again. 92 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: And I would say the first time, the first time 93 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: I would say this happened. It was in high school. 94 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: I was mister McAfee and Bye Bye Birdie. It was 95 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: the first like big singing part in the musical I'd 96 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 3: ever had, and I sang kids on opening night the 97 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: song his big like made number that he sings, and 98 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: I literally had never gotten a response like that, like 99 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: for me, Like it was like people just like a 100 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 3: lot of my friends from and the kids from like 101 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 3: my sister high school, their drama programmer in the audience 102 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 3: and were just like up on their feet at the 103 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: end of the song. I felt like such a fucking 104 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: rock star. And that was like an early moment of like, oh, 105 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: I think I'm good at this, and I think, like 106 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: that's like when I really started thinking seriously about studying 107 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: it and in college, and and that was like that 108 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: filled the tank for a whisle and I spent the 109 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 3: next you know while, chasing that feeling again. 110 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: And then I would say the next time was. 111 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 3: When I wrote my first play in college and people 112 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: came to see that. The response to that really like 113 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: sort of propelled me into like, Okay, now this is 114 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: what I should be doing, not singing and dancing, but 115 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: this right. 116 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: And then the. 117 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: Next time that probably happened. Was the first time I 118 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: did stand up in Chicago. It was a random I 119 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: was a part of a theater company and we were 120 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: doing a fundraiser of variety show and they asked me 121 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 3: to do five minutes. 122 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: They said, fill this your first Yeah. 123 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: They were like, you can do anything for five minutes, 124 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: we just need someone to do in a garden or 125 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: I had a couple of friends who were doing stand 126 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 3: up at the time, and I was like, I think 127 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: I could do that. And I crushed the first time. 128 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: Now this was followed by many times bombing well, but 129 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: I think like that first moment, it was, you know, 130 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: a moment of like clarity of like, oh my god, 131 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: I want to do this. I want to feel that forever, 132 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: and you spend I think I spent the first couple 133 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: of years of doing stand up chasing that moment for 134 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 3: a while. 135 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: Where did you so the stand up You're obviously drawing 136 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: material from your life or was it experience or situation. 137 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: Or early So I've been doing it for while, almost 138 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: sixteen years, and I would say the first decade was 139 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: all pretty my life, generated from my life and stories 140 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 3: from my childhood and dating stories and what have you. 141 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: But I think like it's it's sort of I've gotten 142 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: to the point now where I'm like, well, I've I've 143 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: talked about pretty. 144 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: Much every interesting part of my life. 145 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: I no longer have anything interesting to say about the 146 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 3: way I was brought up, or you know, the way 147 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: I developed, or my early or my early twenties. And 148 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 3: so now it's much more in the last several years 149 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: has been has I've pivoted much heavily more to like 150 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: observational humor, Like right now, I have a lot of 151 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: jokes about Elmira Gulch from The Wizard of Us The 152 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: Wicked Witch Avatar, and I find her to be an 153 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: endlessly fascinating character because of one line that Anam says 154 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: to elm Regultu at the beginning of The Wizard of 155 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: when she comes to take tote away, she says, my regults, 156 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 3: I don't. 157 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: Care if you do own half the county. And it's 158 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: like this. 159 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: Bitch owned half the county in Kansas in the nineteen 160 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: thirty Okay, like that's crazy. 161 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: Yes, where's her movie? 162 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: And we villainize her for what because she didn't want 163 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: to get attacked by a dog? 164 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: You know, makes sense. 165 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: I'll exactly like Wicked did it for the other side, 166 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: the Wicked Witch, give me the Wicked, But. 167 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: For Elm I think this is something you should rehab 168 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: her ready, I'm ready. 169 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 170 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: So it's a lot more, it's a lot more in 171 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: that world. It's just a little bit more absurd and 172 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: it's a little stupid. But I'm having a lot of fun. 173 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: That is fun. Well, that's that's that reminds me a 174 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: little bit of what you're doing on the show with Malute, 175 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: which is the the insanity of that relationship and the 176 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: observations that you make of her world and she to 177 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: you is just incredible. And the improv part of that, 178 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: and there's got to be some of that happening is 179 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: really impressive. And I have done I've worked with you know, 180 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: Fred Armiston and Kry Brownstein and did Portlandia tremendous amount 181 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: of improv, which was kind of my first time doing 182 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: that unscripted. I had a great, great time, But I've 183 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: found that my brain would melt by the end of 184 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: the day because I feel like it's spinning at like 185 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: sixteen thousand RPMs because you're constantly, you know, you're constantly 186 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: trying to push forward. 187 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: Totally so quickly. 188 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: Well, it's so I find that, Like I've never taken 189 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,679 Speaker 3: an improv class, right, but we improvise a lot on Loot, 190 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: and we improvise a lot on now Scrubs that I've 191 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 3: just got I just wrapped shooting, and both shows are 192 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: are the creators and showners are really generous in that, 193 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: Like we give a couple takes as scripted, and then 194 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: the last couple it's sort of like, yeah, just have 195 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 3: fun with it, you see it comes. And I've never 196 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: taken an improv class, but I think like a lot 197 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: of the acting training I've done is sort of it 198 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: was very much grounded in like, understand the reality that 199 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: this character is living in, believe that reality, and then 200 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: sort of you know, go from there. And I think like, 201 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: if you you are a good dramatic actor in that sense, 202 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 3: if you just believe, if you just know the character 203 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: inside and out and believe the sort of given circumstances 204 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 3: of what you're of the scene, then like it's sort 205 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: of natural what comes out of that. Now, I will 206 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 3: say my like comedy writing brain is a lot more 207 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: what I use on Loot because it's it's very easy 208 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: for me to like, I know that character's voice, and 209 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 3: I will be like looking at the sides in my 210 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 3: trailer in the beginning of the day, and I don't 211 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: it's not not all of my improv is like in 212 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: the moment in that case, you know, like my response 213 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: is to Maya, like if Maya throws something at my way, 214 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: the volley of that is like based in improv. But 215 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: I'm I'm using my writer brain a lot in those. 216 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. I love that you use the word 217 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 2: volley because that really, to me is is it's what 218 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: I think we're all after at the end of the day, 219 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: is like you're basically just hitting the ball back and forth. 220 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: When I was in school for training, we talked. We 221 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: just call it talking and listening. It's just so simple, 222 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: but so difficult to do, to take yourself and be 223 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: really in the moment, both when you're and unscripted working improv, 224 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: because I think that's that was the key, and I 225 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: think understanding the character, I think you really hit the 226 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: nail on the head with that. Where did you go 227 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: to school. 228 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: I went to school at a very small liberal arts 229 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 3: school in downstate Illinois called Milliken University. It was a 230 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: very good theater program. I will say I learned a 231 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: lot any theater program outside of the big ones that 232 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: will guarantee you sort of an entry point, a foot 233 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: in the door in this industry. At this point in time, 234 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: I would not recommend anyone take out a lot of 235 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 3: debt to do them, which is what I did. And 236 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: this was like sort of this was right at the 237 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: inflection point of like before we started having conversations about 238 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: predatory student loans, and boy was I a victim of those. 239 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: And it just was like, I'm so lucky that things 240 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: turn out the way they did, because I would be 241 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: paying those loans off until my forties or fifties because 242 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 3: of the nature of the interest payments and all that stuff. Now, 243 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: and I just can't look when I look at a student, 244 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: a high school student, or somebody who's asking me like 245 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: what to do I look at I can't look at 246 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: them in the eyes and say, like, put yourself in 247 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: financial peril to go to a theater program. I just 248 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 3: can't one that, especially one that's not necessarily going to be. 249 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: A huge job. Like, yes, you'll learn stuff, but. 250 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: I just if you really want to get in this industry, 251 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: just move to New York and take an acting class. 252 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: I mean, get in there, you know, pretty simple. 253 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I do think sort of the biggest things that 254 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: I learned in at a liberal arts school was how 255 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: to be an adult. Like that four year buffer period 256 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: before I had to really engage with the real world 257 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: was sort of paramount for me, and I learned a lot. 258 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: But and so and so I'm not sure how I 259 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 3: would have what I would be doing if I just 260 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: skip that part and move straight to New York and 261 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: try to you know, wait tables and take an acting class. 262 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: I think, like, I don't know if I was stuck 263 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: with it. 264 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't think. I mean, because I 265 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: had sim like I came from a very small town 266 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: in eastern Washington. I went to the state school when 267 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: University of Washington, because that's what you did at that time. 268 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: I think it was five hundred dollars a quarter or 269 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: something like that. I mean, it was ridiculous. I still 270 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: had a student loan forgot second my senior year. My 271 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: dad cut me off, but I was like, okay, whatever, 272 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: But it wasn't you know, kind of what you're talking about. 273 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: But I don't think I was. I mean, because the 274 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: option was I was there for two years of Liberal Arts, 275 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: and I got accepted into a training program that was there, 276 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: which really worked out. But at the same time, before 277 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 2: I did that, I was auditioning for like Neighborhood Playhouse, 278 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 2: I was auditioning for other schools in New York. I 279 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: don't think I was ready for New York. I think 280 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: I would have just been like too much. You were 281 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: speaking earlier about how you something would fill your tank, 282 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: you know, and you'd you'd get going. I always liken 283 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: it to like a door. So you're going along, you're 284 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: doing something, and you're trying something, and then oh, there's 285 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: the door door open, so you're like, go and go through. 286 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: And you go through the door, and you're like, okay, 287 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: new world, here we go. And you start exercising your craft, 288 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: learning your thing, doing your stuff, and you just propel 289 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: yourself forward like this, And that was kind of kind 290 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: of Mike Well. 291 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: And I think the most really tricky part of it 292 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: is moving the goalpost for yourself. And because I was 293 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: like you, like, I'm jealous of people who are so 294 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: self possessed too, like, are like I am good at this, 295 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: and like fully own that, fully own that that has 296 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 3: never been me, that is always like I've always sort 297 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 3: of been exactly the. 298 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: Way you phrased it, like maybe I'm good at this. 299 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: I set my expectations for myself very modestly, like, you know, 300 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: growing up in the Midwest, in a suburb like outside 301 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 3: of Chicago, you don't have a lot of frame of 302 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: reference for how to break into the entertainment industry, and 303 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: so theater school, because I did theater in high school, 304 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: that's seemed like the natural next step. 305 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: And I was like, maybe, at best, you. 306 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: Know, go move to Chicago and become a working stage 307 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: actor in Chicago, of which there are maybe seven who 308 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: are making it good that you know, but I was like, 309 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: maybe that'll be the path forward for me. And then 310 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 3: in college it sort of became like, well, maybe I'll 311 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: get a good day job and be able to do 312 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: storefront theater at night, and that seems like a life 313 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: that I could live. And then, you know, it just 314 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: slowly became like, well, maybe I can make it as 315 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: a as a stand up community, like a working stand 316 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: up comedian, and that'll be good. Maybe I can get 317 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 3: a job writing on television but never be on television. 318 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: And then and then it's it's slowly, you like sort 319 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: of if you're very lucky like myself, you you surpass 320 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: all of the expectations, the low expectations you suffer yourself, 321 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: and then you're sort of stuck and you're like, well, 322 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: what could I possibly. 323 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: Go to next? 324 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: You know, and you want it to be reasonable and 325 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: and for yourself, but it is just it's the hardest 326 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: thing to reimagine what you could accomplish when you aren't 327 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: necessarily like bought in to yourself all the time. 328 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: And it's it's it's kind of that strange same thing. 329 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a similar to you, but 330 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: to dream big is kind of. 331 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, that's a fools Let's just go. 332 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: Here and then see where we are, because that whole. 333 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: Shoot for the moon and you'll still land upon stars 334 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: or whatever that was never me. I will shoot for 335 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: or the lower atmosphere and if I get past it, 336 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: lucky man. 337 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: Good. 338 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: But you also talk about how preparation is everything and 339 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: working towards something, and I'm sure when you set yourself 340 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: these goals, whether it was stand up, writing on a show, 341 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: whatever it was, you didn't just sort of like, oh, 342 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: wouldn't it be great? You'd like put the work in no. 343 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: And I always say that to people who ask me 344 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: like how can I get where you are? How can 345 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: I do this? Or how can I get this job 346 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: or whatever? And I always say, you can't really create 347 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: that moment for yourself when the door opens in this industry. 348 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: All you can do is be really fucking prepared for 349 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: when that door opens. And so my manager, who I'm 350 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: still with to this day, saw me do a ten 351 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: minute spot, a stand up spot in a gay bar 352 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: in Portland, randomly, randomly, and he called me when I 353 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: got back to New York and was like, let's meet. 354 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: And when we sat down to meet, he was like, 355 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: do you have a comedy script? Do you have a 356 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: five minute like TV ready to tape to submit to places? 357 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: Do you have like this, that and the other thing? 358 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: And I had spent the last six years before meeting 359 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: him at my day job, writing on my lunch breaks, 360 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 3: forcing myself to write when I got home. 361 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: It's not easy. 362 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: Wow, it's not easy to do that prep work when 363 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 3: no one's paying you to do it and no one's 364 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: asking you to do it yet. But like I was 365 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: able to say to him immediately like yes, here's this, 366 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: here's this, here's this, let's go. And like, I think 367 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: that's the only thing you can do is like continue 368 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: to push yourself to do that prep work so that 369 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: when that door finally opens, you are ready. 370 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: To just run right through it, through it. 371 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, where does that come from? Where does that work 372 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: ethic come from? 373 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 4: What is that? 374 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: I mean a lot of it stems from I did 375 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: not grow up with a lot I had. I got 376 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: my first job at fourteen, and it's sick. It's sick 377 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: in this country actually that Like I was having this 378 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: conversation recently with a friend in a bar where I 379 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: was like, I got my first job at fourteen, and 380 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: he was like, oh, I got my first job at thirteen. 381 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: I've been working since I was thirteen years and we 382 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: were talking like sort of about this, and I was like, 383 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: this is such a deeply American disease because it's actually 384 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: quite sad like that, like I've been working, I've had 385 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: a job since I was fourteen, and yes, it's it's admirable, 386 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: but it's also like I shouldn't have had to We 387 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: shouldn't have to do that, you know, like the whole 388 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: like American sort of grind culture of like work until 389 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: you die and I'm very lucky to be on a 390 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: working doing something I love. Not everything is like that, 391 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: but you know, that's a big part of it. And 392 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 3: the other part of it is I moved out when 393 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: I was seventeen. I have not taken a dime of 394 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: my parents' money since I was seventeen, which is a 395 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: cornerstone of my personality now. And I lorded it over everyone, 396 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: sort of having the stakes be raised that early for 397 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: like working like I didn't have a choice to but 398 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 3: to work very hard, and it was this thing of 399 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: like I was only going to pay off my student 400 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: loans if I sold a script someday. I knew that 401 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 3: was like sort of that was like the only way 402 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 3: it would happen. And so when the stakes are that high, 403 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: it's either poverty for life or like you work hard 404 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 3: and do this other thing. And it was also the 405 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 3: only thing I felt really good at too. I mean 406 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 3: I was good at my day jobs, but like this 407 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: was like the only. 408 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: Real skill gave you. 409 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so between that and stakes, it was just 410 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 3: like you got it. 411 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: I had to. 412 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to get into too deeply with your 413 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: family and everything, but was the thing where you felt 414 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: like we're the train. 415 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, And anyone who's even remotely familiar with me 416 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: or my early work has heard these stories at nauseum. 417 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 3: But my family's very conservative, very religious. When they found 418 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 3: out I was gay, they didn't kick me out, but 419 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 3: it was very much like a sort of ultimatum of like, 420 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: you live how we live, or you leave. And I 421 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: called their bluff and I left. And it was a 422 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: struggle and it was not easy, and I didn't talk 423 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: to them again until I was in college, but we 424 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 3: reconciled eventually and are on good terms now. I've bridged 425 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: the gap about as far as it's going to be bridged, 426 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 3: and I've come to terms with that. And like, you know, 427 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 3: my mom didn't come to my wedding, and people are 428 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: sort of like, oh, that's so sad, but it's sort 429 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: of like for me, I stopped asking and expecting certain 430 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: things from my family years and years and years ago, 431 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 3: and I am so much better for it, because once 432 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: you understand what your family can actually provide to you 433 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 3: realistically and stop asking more than that, you find other 434 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: people in your life who can fill in those gaps 435 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 3: and support you in ways that your family can't. And 436 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: I am so grateful to not be thirty eight years 437 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: old still desperate for my family's approval. Yeah, you know, 438 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 3: like because I know a lot of people who are 439 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: in that position and it's not cute, and like, I 440 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: feel very blessed to sort of not need that. 441 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, But you almost put 442 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: yourself in their shoes their position. They have come this 443 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: far based upon where they're from and who they are. 444 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: That's probably they've done the best they can. There's something 445 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: else that I want to talk about really briefly only 446 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: because it's a said I happened to dearly, dearly love 447 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: us in San Francisco. It's called the Exploratorium. Yes, and 448 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: that's where you had I know you had your wedding. Yes, 449 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's such a great idea. It was 450 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: really really Haitian. So what how does that happen? Because 451 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: it is people know about the Exploratorium, I hope, I mean. 452 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: It's yes, it's a it's an interactive science museum in 453 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 3: San Francisco. It's it's really really fun. I highly recommend 454 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: you go if you're ever in San Francisco. It's like 455 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 3: great and our planner, who was great, sent us to 456 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 3: a bunch of different places possible venues, and I would 457 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: say the large majority of them felt like a chase 458 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: bank inside, okay, which was not the vibe we were 459 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: going out for a wedding ultimately, And then this was 460 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: the last place she sent us to and we were like, listen, 461 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 3: if we got to get married indoors, like we might 462 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: as well get there. Crazy. 463 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: It's always like, well, like. 464 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 3: There's like a tornado in our seram. The room we 465 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: had a certain a simulated tornado in where we got 466 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: our ceremony done. You know, it was so wonderful and 467 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: like it was funny because like the room where we 468 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 3: had our reception. They were like, listen, we don't know 469 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 3: what exhibits will be in here when you get married, 470 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 3: so you're kind of rolling the dice here because it 471 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 3: could be anything so an interact, it could be a 472 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 3: cockroach exhibit, and you know, like and so we really 473 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: were like, well, you've crossed your fingers. And it ended 474 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 3: up being the Glow Exhibit, which is like this again, 475 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 3: they didn't know exactly what it was going to be, 476 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: but they knew it would all be light installations and 477 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 3: it ended up being the most beautiful, Like we lucked 478 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 3: out so much because if we spent money on any 479 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: of these light installations, it would have cost a million dollars, 480 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: but we got them for free. 481 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: You're the thing that I love only because I've just 482 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: recently got into it is Pride and Prejudice and the 483 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: show that you did with Bowen, And I said, that 484 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: is kind of inspired because of you talk about the 485 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: politics of Fire Island and you know. 486 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the currency, the different currency, you know, and yes, 487 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 3: because that is like, it's all about class in Jane Austin, 488 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 3: most of her stories are it's sort of a class narrative. 489 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: As we were, Oh, it's always you know, love a 490 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 3: loss across class lines. And it's funny. I recently dug 491 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 3: up an old Facebook post of mine from twenty sixteen 492 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 3: when everyone was posting their twenty sixteen photos and it's 493 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: me on the beach and Fire Island with Pride and 494 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: Prejudice in the photo. And I said, somebody should make 495 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: an all gay Pride and Prejudice sat on Fire Island. 496 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be funny? And then yeah, and I follow 497 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 3: through on the joke. And even then I remember thinking 498 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: about it because I was like, oh, like class here 499 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: is economic class. Certainly, it's economically impenetrable to get to 500 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: Fire Island. It's the biggest problem I think with it. 501 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 3: It's the biggest note I have. But I realized that 502 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: within our community, like class is not just economics. It's race, 503 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: it's body type, it's you know, all these other things. 504 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: And you know, what does class sort of divide? What 505 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: do class divides look like when you you know, don't 506 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: just focus on money. And that's sort of the genesis 507 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: of the entire story. Like the reason that people are 508 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: still re reading Jane Austen is she understood something deeply 509 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 3: fundamental about the way people interact with each other and 510 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: the ways in which people are cruel to each other 511 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: without you know, being obvious about it, and things like that, 512 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: which is shade in gay culture, you know, like it's 513 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: shade is not just an insult. It's an insult with 514 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: plausible deniability. It's me calling you ugly to your face. 515 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 3: But if you try to explain to someone else why 516 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: you were hurt by what I said, you'd look crazy 517 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: because on paper it's not an. 518 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: Insult plausible deniability. I'm so intrigued with the language because 519 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: whereas Shakespeare the language is, you know, it's it's complex 520 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: and it's difficult and you really have to concentrate. Not 521 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: clear all the time, but certainly based on character, pride 522 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: and prejudice. The language is. I'm just transfixed when I 523 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: when I when I hear it spoken, and I have 524 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: a theory that I think certainly read Jane Austen, but 525 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what her stronger is to actually 526 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: hear it, Like Shakespeare, it's like one thing to read Shakespeare. 527 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: That's fine, it's not that interesting. You hear it, you 528 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: see it, and suddenly it's whoa, yeah, you get it. 529 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: That's cool, that's really inspired. So you let it percolate 530 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: a little while and said, you know what I'm gonna Yeah. 531 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 3: It was interesting because I tried to sell it as 532 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: a television show. At first nobody wanted it, and then 533 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 3: I and then Quibi happened and they were like, well, 534 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 3: you write it as a movie and the rest is sistery. 535 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: I'm a dog person, okay, And you've spoken about when 536 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: you first came out it was your dog. 537 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: Early like early like it was definitely like all the 538 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: pets got the tea at a certain point at some 539 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: point or another. But yes, the dog was definitely an 540 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: early whisper. My cat actually sort of if anyone was 541 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 3: paying attention would have outed me immediately because I was 542 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: eight years old. We had a naming convention for all 543 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 3: our pets growing up, and I grew up with at 544 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: one point in another four dogs, five cats, two birds, wow, 545 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: and each of them was named after an old Hollywood icon. 546 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: And so we had a cat named Marlena Dietrich. We 547 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: had a cat named Erle Flynn. 548 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 3: We had San martinoz we had and then I got 549 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: the cat and they were like, what do you want 550 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 3: to name it? And I said Rock Hudson at eight 551 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: years old, eight years rock Cutson. I was like, Rock Hudson, Absolutely, 552 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: that is my guy. It was all the pets because 553 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 3: I was homeschool too, so I wasn't interacting with many. 554 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: People outside of the pets. I love that. 555 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: I love the story about the dogs naming the dogs 556 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: bad dates. I want to talk a little bit about 557 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: bad dates. 558 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 4: So how does that? 559 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: How does that work? 560 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: Your stepping in the show's already. 561 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 3: Going grains from Jamie La jamil ri Ip just as 562 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: the host of the show, not in real life, and 563 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 3: it was a pretty it's a it was a well 564 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: oiled machine. Now I will say by the time this airs, 565 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: there's some big format changes coming to Okay, there is 566 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: some a lot of changes coming to the show. I 567 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 3: think in part because I'm hosting now, and in part 568 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: because you know, it feels like I've sort of inherited 569 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: a format, but also because, like I think, we wanted 570 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: a platform to talk a little bit more generally about 571 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 3: loving relationships and sex and data and whatnot, and then 572 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: just the bad stuff. Because we've had we do like 573 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: bonus episodes where we've had like Paul of Tompkins and 574 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 3: his wife Janey on to talk about their sort of 575 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 3: story of getting together, and we find that that really 576 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 3: wasn't There weren't many bad dates involved in that story, 577 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 3: but we still wanted to talk to them about it, 578 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: and you get their perspective on stuff, and so we're 579 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 3: excited about that because already I've had to kind of 580 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: push it because like I was not a dater, you know, 581 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 3: like I always preface the show by saying, bad dates 582 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: in our show encompasses bad hookups, bad situationships, bad relationships, 583 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 3: bad marriages like anything. It's a spectrum, and like it 584 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 3: doesn't just have to be like one bad first date, 585 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: and that's already opened up the show quite a bit 586 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 3: to many other shows. 587 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: Wow, I wasn't a dater really either. I've sort of 588 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: met someone and then I'm a serial monogamous. 589 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: Well I certainly wasn't that, but I. 590 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: No, no, I literally was so career focused up until 591 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: my early thirties that there wasn't room for a relationship. 592 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 3: I never really considered it because I was working like 593 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 3: fifty hours a week at a tech startup and then 594 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 3: doing open mics at night, and then you know, trying 595 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: to make grind it out, and so all I really 596 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 3: had time for was sex, and I never wanted to. 597 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 3: I never met somebody that made me want to invest 598 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 3: the time into making it a relationship until I'm like you. 599 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 3: I met my husband and I sat on the second 600 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: day after meeting him, I'm going to. 601 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: Marry this man. 602 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: Wow, after never being in a serious relationship as an adult. 603 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: My friend who I told that too, was like, you're 604 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: being crazy. Yeah no, And he he stood up in 605 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 3: my wedding and I said, this is the most elaborate, 606 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 3: expensive I told you so that I've ever orchestrated. 607 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: And you met you talked about how you met. 608 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: It was on a vacation. It was it was the timeline. 609 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: It was twenty twenty one. 610 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 3: It was right after we'd all been vaccinated, but right 611 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: before Delta came out, and so the vibe was very 612 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: much like we did it, we beat it, We'll never 613 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 3: hear about this disease again, and so the spirits were 614 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: up at that point. 615 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: Little did we know what was coming. 616 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: You know. I was with my San Francisco for my 617 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: close group of San Francisco friends. He was living in 618 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 3: San Francisco at the time. We saw each other out 619 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 3: on the first night. They all knew each other sort 620 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: of socially, and we're like, hadn't seen each other in 621 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 3: a while because we've all been indoors for a year 622 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 3: and a half. And then you know, we met, We 623 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: hit it off. We I we went home together, and 624 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 3: then after we stood sat on the beach and watched 625 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: the sunrise and just talked. And then the next night 626 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: I was sort of like we saw each other on 627 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh. 628 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: You don't have to keep talking to me, like I 629 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: know how these vacations were, like you, I don't know that. 630 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 3: I was like, fully like at that but at the 631 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: end of the second night, you know, we both were like, 632 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: you can find night too, guys, you don't have to 633 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: keep engaging with me, Like I know, we've both been 634 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: like cooped up and horny for like a long time, 635 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: so get out there, girl. 636 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 4: And were kind of like, no, no, yeah, we neither 637 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: one of us wanted to be the weird one, and 638 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 4: so we just we have not stopped we I've talked 639 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 4: to him every day since the day we met, and 640 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 4: it was undeniable, like immediately, like we just couldn't stop 641 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 4: talking or spending time with each other. 642 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 3: But luckily he moved to LA and I immediately left 643 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: to New York to shoot Fire Island. And so for 644 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: the first like four months that he was in LA, 645 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: I was making the movie. And I got back and 646 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: we were like, we're not going to date. We're not 647 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: going to date. Mean, while we're hanging out like five 648 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: times a week, constantly sleeping over at each other's places. 649 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 3: It wasn't until I took him to the Disney lot 650 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: to see the very first cut of Fire Island, the 651 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: very first put together cut of Fire Island, and everyone 652 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: was like, wow, that's a bad idea because traditionally, this 653 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: cut is going to be the worst version of the movie. 654 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 3: But making movies is what I really want to do. 655 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: And he knew that, and he was and I think 656 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: both of us were like, until he knows that I'm 657 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: good at this, there's no shot in hell that this 658 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: is going to work, you know, And he saw it, 659 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: Andren is a genius and his director first director's cut 660 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 3: was actually quite good. I think a couple of weeks later, 661 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: like a week after that, was when he started calling 662 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: me his boyfriend because he was like, Okay, okay, yeah, 663 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 3: he's not like, he's not somebody who can lie, who 664 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 3: would have ever been able to lie? Yeah, And so 665 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: he just knew it would never have worked if he 666 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: was constantly like if he couldn't respect me as as 667 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 3: a filmmaker. 668 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: So I want to talk really quickly. I'm just ghosting. 669 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: That you've experienced is so weird to me. 670 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: So I moved into this house in twenty twenty two, 671 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: built in the forties. Is here, it's in Lakay. When 672 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm picking up the keys from the. 673 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: Previous owner, she has a stack of photos of every 674 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: owner of the house in front of the house from 675 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 3: the person who built the house in the forties up 676 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: until today, and she's going through the photos and she's like, 677 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 3: this is Ralph. He was the person who built the house. 678 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: And we're going through and then we get to the 679 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: seventies and she sees this photo and she's like, oh, 680 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: that looks like Ralph in the back of that photo. 681 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: That's weird, huh. And then it just keeps going and 682 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: I was. 683 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 3: Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, excuse me. And so 684 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 3: then so this photo has been fascinating to me for 685 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: since I moved in. And my partner is a very 686 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 3: big skeptic, and he was like, well, this is what 687 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: could be happening here, whatever would be me and then 688 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: let me very quickly go through the scenarios, like little 689 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 3: weird stuff would happen, like we would be our bedroom 690 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: is on the lower level and our living room is 691 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: above it, and we would hear like things fall off 692 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: the counter upstairs in the kitchen, and like, of course, 693 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 3: he has every explanation for how that could happen. And 694 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 3: then one night I was doing my laundry and I 695 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 3: am transferring the laundry and I see a man, full 696 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: man walk by the door, and then I made a 697 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 3: sound that my husband has never heard me make and 698 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: has not heard me make sense, and I ran out 699 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 3: in the hallway, gone, totally gone. One night I came home, 700 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: I thought I was standing in the kitchen. I was 701 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 3: like talking to my husband because I thought he was home, 702 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 3: and then I felt someone grab my side from behind me, 703 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 3: and I thought it was him, and then I turned 704 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 3: dot know what was there? No. I think the thing 705 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 3: that really broke my husband was we would be downstairs 706 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: in our room and we'd hear someone not an animal 707 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: but a human run across our living room, like dash 708 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 3: across our living room. We run upstairs, no one would 709 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: be there. And then I was out of town and 710 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: he was sitting in the living room and he heard it, 711 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: but he didn't see it. Wo it happened again in 712 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: the same way. It was the same running across and 713 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: he was sitting right there, and it freaked out so bad. 714 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: My god. 715 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 3: That as a joke kind of we hired this woman 716 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: who remotely exercises your house from Florida, and she's like, 717 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 3: here's my VENMO. And then I pay her and the 718 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 3: next thing I know, I'm getting a receipt from her 719 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 3: that itemizes all the number of spirits that she's exercised. 720 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: I had like forty seven possessions in my body. John 721 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: Michael had like fifty one, and I was like, well, 722 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 3: someone's more popular that was exercised from us. Haven't heard nothing, nothing, 723 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: No weird things have happened. Yeah, I know too many 724 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 3: people who've experienced weird shit to not make room in 725 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 3: my brain for the possibility that that could be true. 726 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree with you. We're going to play 727 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 2: a little game. It's called keep mute or Block. We'll 728 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: explain more when we're back. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we're 729 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 2: back with a segment that I designed. So you are 730 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: wearing lovely set of gold wings cupid wings, and you're 731 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: holding this fantastic bow and arrow with a cool kind 732 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 2: of heart glasses, and I'm wearing just a giant red heart. 733 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: Over my or my top. 734 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 4: It's good. 735 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: It's just I've slipped in. I slipped into it, and 736 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. Okay. 737 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: So this is this is a game. 738 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: It's called keep mute or Block. 739 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: Okay. 740 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: So we've made a list of scenarios that could potentially 741 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: arise prior to or on a first date. Okay, Okay, 742 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: you're a dating expert. 743 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: Yes, sure, Hey, I'm there exactly right. 744 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: Hey he is a dating expert. I am going to 745 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: present these scenarios, and I'm going to let you categorize 746 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: them as either a keep, meaning to go on the date, 747 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: or stay on the date, mute, probably don't speak to 748 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: them again, but if it happens, it happens, yeah, or 749 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: block meaning never see or speak to them again. Okay, yeah, 750 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: so we have fifteen seconds to defend each decision. Okay, 751 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: first date, they arrive wearing an earpiece and keep whispering 752 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: copy that. 753 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: You know what. 754 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 3: I gotta keep that one because I will say this, 755 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 3: like there's a story there at least, you know, like 756 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 3: there's a mystery to unravel. Yes, And I find that 757 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 3: one of the worst sins you can have on a 758 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 3: first date is not having a story, you know, not 759 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 3: having any point of interest at all, and at least 760 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 3: you're bringing something to the table. I like that. 761 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 4: The next one is blowing mind that we even have 762 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 4: in here. 763 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: Okay, you get to the bar and you see them 764 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: waiting outside. They won't go in because they sense paranormal 765 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 2: activity inside. 766 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: I think, mute this person. 767 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 3: Mute, right, Ironically enough, ghost this person literally only because listen, 768 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 3: they might be lovely, but that's high maintenance behavior and 769 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 3: I don't have. 770 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: Time for that. 771 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I understand exactly what you although you do 772 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 2: have someone that could help them. 773 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that's the one to AL say hey, thanks 774 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 3: for the date, here's some information for you, and then 775 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 3: never respond like that. 776 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,479 Speaker 2: Okay, they text you before the date asking your full 777 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: government name and mother's maiden name. I love that he's considering. 778 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 3: I suppose the real answer must be blocked. I would 779 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 3: think about it because I'd say, hey, maybe they're just curious. 780 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: Yea, you know, they're really and they're really, really really curious. 781 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 3: Some people get really I'm really anal when it comes 782 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 3: to putting people in my phone, like I must have 783 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 3: your full name, and you know, maybe this guy also 784 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 3: wants to put something in the notes about my family. 785 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 2: All right, you meet them at a picnic. The only 786 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 2: items they bring are absynthe and ring pops. Absynthe and 787 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: ring pops. 788 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: Keep it sounds like a black I'm with you. Yeah, 789 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. 790 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 3: I find picnics in general to be overrated. I don't 791 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: want to sit on the fucking ground and eat whatever 792 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: you could fit in a basket. I want some interest, 793 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 3: and I think like absence that you're gonna like you 794 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 3: will forget all about sitting on the ground. 795 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: You might even forget their number. 796 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: What happened to day? 797 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 2: Okay? They refuse to speak normally only in Sondheim patter block. 798 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: I am a recovering theater person too. 799 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 2: Well, he didn't recovery, but he might have. 800 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 3: Well, I guess, like, if you're gonna choose something like, 801 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 3: at least there's some Someheime is a very talky writer 802 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 3: and lyricist. 803 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: So what would be the kind of Broadway pattern that 804 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: would send you? 805 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 3: I think, God love him, But Stephen Schwartz, you know 806 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 3: something like that? I think is it would just feel 807 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 3: so corny some time. I think you could actually get 808 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 3: away with for a minute without anyone realize. 809 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 2: Okay, they start brushing their teeth at the table. 810 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: Keep. I love a hygiena king care is perfect better 811 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: than you know. 812 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 2: The reverse alternative of that, yeah, would be bad. Okay, 813 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 2: you meet at the beach, they bring a metal detector 814 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: to search for gold. 815 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: Keep. 816 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 3: I mean, like, listen, I don't know that I would 817 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 3: be hella interested in doing that, but again, at least 818 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 3: they're bringing in activity, because it's sometimes those dates can 819 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 3: be tough when you're just sitting across for each other, right, 820 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 3: and you know you're not active. 821 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: So a conversation story, yeah, for sure. 822 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 2: Okay, you meet for a hike, they're waiting for you 823 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 2: at the bottom with a pet snake on a leash. 824 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to block. 825 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 3: I know that's so obvious, but it's I'm not a 826 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 3: reptile person, and I don't trust people who are interesting. 827 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 2: Okay, draw the line. 828 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: Okay, very good. 829 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 2: Last, they invite you to a show, but it's a 830 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 2: death metal concert and you're on day two of an 831 00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 2: ear infection. 832 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: I mean I still go. I keep, I keep, because again. 833 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 3: I'm interested in I love learning about new things, genres 834 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 3: of music. I don't have a huge frame of reference 835 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 3: for that. And you know, you pop an earplug in. 836 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 3: That's I'm at the age now where that's just I've 837 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 3: lost so many frequencies already from not doing that. 838 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: So you know, I think you'd be Okay. 839 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 3: You know, I'm getting the steroids and the antibiotics from 840 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 3: the doctor anyways, so I think I can I can 841 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 3: handle it. 842 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, the most answer. 843 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 2: That's very good, mostly keeps for you. 844 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 3: Next up, can we talk about something I think by 845 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 3: the time this air, Scrubs will be airing season ten. 846 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: My Scrubs. 847 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 3: It is a not a reboot, It is a revival, 848 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 3: so it is a continuation same a lot of the 849 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 3: og casts, most of the OG cast is back, along 850 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 3: with many people like myself in a spayer. You know, 851 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 3: some amazing young actors who are twenty four and so 852 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 3: therefore I want dead. But they're all very funny and 853 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 3: great and I had a blast doing it. It's it's 854 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 3: it's a lot of fun. So I hope people are 855 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 3: watching it currently and and if you're not, then you 856 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 3: know for sure or Disney Plus or whatever program it's on. 857 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Scrubs. 858 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 3: And then I have dates if you go to my Instagram, 859 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 3: I hlkim. I have dates in DC, Brooklyn, and Boston 860 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 3: at the end of March. 861 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: Stand up. 862 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so I would love if people 863 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 3: would come out to those shows because I am I'm 864 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 3: I'm working on a lot of new stuff and it's 865 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 3: you know, it's fun. It's I'm I'm like having a 866 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 3: lot of fun for the first time in a long 867 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 3: time doing it good, it's work. 868 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 2: I've never done it. I look at it as like 869 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 2: it's like the pinnacle. I think in terms of performance, 870 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 2: it's just it's just you and Mike. 871 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 3: Come on, it is There isn't an immediac I find 872 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 3: to stand up. That is the reason I keep doing it, 873 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 3: because you know, you get success, you book a show, 874 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 3: you do that. You know. Unfortunately, Hollywood is not a meritocracy. 875 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 3: What gets made and who gets cast is not always 876 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 3: the best thing or the best actor. There's a confidence 877 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 3: factors that come up with any of those decisions, and 878 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 3: so it's really easy to let people get in your 879 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 3: ear and diminish your those jobs or things because they 880 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 3: say you're a DEI higher, you're this, that the other thing, 881 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 3: you only got this because of X y Z. But 882 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 3: when I'm on stage and I'm making people laugh in 883 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 3: the room, you can't tell me shit yeah, because that 884 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 3: immediately like no one is forcing themselves to laugh for 885 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 3: an hour straight because of woke. 886 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: It's not happening. That is not how people operate. 887 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 3: And so you it is like it's affirming to me 888 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 3: in a way that I don't find in other aspects 889 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 3: of this, of this industry, and so I'll always want 890 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 3: to keep doing it until I just have nothing interesting 891 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 3: to say. 892 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen. 893 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. 894 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I would like to believe that I'll someday 895 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 3: be so rich and successful that I cannot relate to anyone. 896 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 1: That's the goal. 897 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 2: So well, that's we all wish for these things. Well, 898 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 2: it's what a pleasure. Thank you so much for having 899 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 2: really nice to have you on the show. And that's 900 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 2: the end of our show for I don't know if 901 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 2: we figured out what we were even doing. We tried, 902 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 2: we saw, we conquered, but we are going to keep trying. 903 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 2: So Joel, thank you so much for being here. A 904 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 2: real pleasure. 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