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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.

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Speaker 2: What exactly is an influencer? And for those of you

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Speaker 2: that can't see me, I'm absolutely using air quotes right now.

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Speaker 2: An influencer, What does that really mean? I mean, I've

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Speaker 2: seen influencers at parties, turking, I've seen them writhing up

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Speaker 2: against statutes and historic sites all across Europe and the US.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean to be an influencer? And what

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Speaker 2: does that mean when you're an influencer with literally millions

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Speaker 2: of so called followers, When you're child sneaks out of

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Speaker 2: a window, completely emaciated, starved, with signs all their bodies

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Speaker 2: that they have been bound tied up, likely with at

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Speaker 2: least duct tape, what kind of an influencer is that? Well,

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Speaker 2: according to me, that's the kind of influencer that would

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Speaker 2: best spend their time behind bars. Let's see who they

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Speaker 2: can influence in the CI Correctional Institute. That's where I'm

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Speaker 2: coming from. But I'll let you judge for yourself. Let's

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Speaker 2: kick it off with our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 3: Arrest documents saying the child escape to a neighbor's home.

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Speaker 3: The twelve year old child described by that neighbor in

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Speaker 3: a phone call to police as emaciated and malnourished with

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Speaker 3: open wounds. Core documents also describing deep lacerations from being

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Speaker 3: tied up with a rope.

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Speaker 2: About the thing.

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Speaker 4: Back at the homeless bum.

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Speaker 5: Police say they also found Frankie's ten year old daughter malnourished.

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Speaker 5: Frankie is known for her strict parenting advice to millions

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Speaker 6: Police say a clearly malnourished twelve year old child crawled

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Speaker 6: out of the window of Hildebrand's Ivans Area home. A

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Speaker 6: neighbor called nine one one when he showed up out

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Speaker 6: their house asking for food and water. Officers say his

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Speaker 6: wrists were duct taped, he had wounds for being tied

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Speaker 6: up across his body. Investigators say they found a ten

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Speaker 6: year old girl inside the same house who was also malnourished.

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Speaker 2: And also hearing our friends at KSL. So we have

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Speaker 2: at least one child who had apparently just turned twelve,

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Speaker 2: crawling out the window of the family home starved. And

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Speaker 2: believe you me, if you haven't ever seen it, I

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Speaker 2: hope you never do. I pray to God you never do,

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Speaker 2: because when you see a child that has been starved,

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Speaker 2: as I have it's something you never forget. I remember

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Speaker 2: when I was going to North Carolina just recently to

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Speaker 2: cover the Alex Mardog double murder trial. I passed a

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Speaker 2: yard and there was a dog tied up in the

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Speaker 2: front yard to a steak, and I could see the

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Speaker 2: dog's ribs, and it reminds me when I went to

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Speaker 2: Aruba with Natalie Holloway's mother just recently, tried to turn

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Speaker 2: up new evidence far at the end of the island

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Speaker 2: where the lighthouse is. There was a pack of dogs,

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Speaker 2: maybe four or five of them, that kept coming up

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Speaker 2: to us, chasing after us, and they looked like skeletons

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Speaker 2: that their ribs were poking out, and it just I

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Speaker 2: thought about them over and over and over. And when

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Speaker 2: you see a child with their ribs poking out, clearly emaciated,

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Speaker 2: I can't even get the dogs out of my mind,

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Speaker 2: much less the children that I saw that way as

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Speaker 2: a prosecutor, and not just once, over and over and

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Speaker 2: over food deprivation, starving your child. I think about this

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Speaker 2: twelve year old little boy to the point where he

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Speaker 2: for food, and the neighbor sees lacerations, lacerations for the

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Speaker 2: child has been tied up, and then we learn that

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Speaker 2: there's another child in the home, a ten year old

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Speaker 2: little girl with the same lacerations, mal nutrition, malnourished living

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Speaker 2: in that home. Who and the hell is the mommy?

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Speaker 2: Who and the hell is the dad that would do

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Speaker 2: this to their childre children? Well, I hope you're sitting down.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at GMA.

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Speaker 5: A Utah mom influencer arrested facing six felony counts of

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Speaker 5: aggravated child abuse. For the first time, we're hearing emergency

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Speaker 5: responders as they see one of Ruby Frankie's children after

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Speaker 5: he allegedly escaped through a window and.

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Speaker 7: Now does have done k Brownie's ankle.

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Speaker 2: He's not telling up to the right and so.

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Speaker 8: That their stores around.

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Speaker 9: His with an ankle.

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Speaker 10: He's becoming correct, he's becoming emotional regarding the child's health.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to have with me an all star panel

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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now. But

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Speaker 2: first I want to go to investigative reporter with KSL

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Speaker 2: dot com out of Utah. Emily Ashcraft is with us. Emily,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Who is this woman

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Speaker 2: And we're hearing a lot about the mom, But as

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Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, the father can go straight to

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Speaker 2: hell too. But first tell me who is she?

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Speaker 11: She is a family YouTuber of Logger and the Family.

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Speaker 11: Actually it's it's YouTube channel faded out or stopped recently

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Speaker 11: and she started up another YouTube channeler as a counselor

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Speaker 11: instead of a mom.

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Speaker 2: What is eight Passengers?

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Speaker 11: So that that's the family's YouTube channel, and you know

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Speaker 11: she said in an article KSL wrote years ago that

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Speaker 11: she started the channel because she wanted other moms who

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Speaker 11: were kind of starting out with infants to see what

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Speaker 11: it's like to have kids that are getting older. Kind

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Speaker 11: of the rewards of motherhood is what she wanted to

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Speaker 11: show off in her in the eight Passengers YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: How many followers did she have? Ruby Ranky YouTuber mom

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Speaker 2: of six Ruby Rankie f R A n k E.

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Speaker 2: How many follow I understand over two point two million

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Speaker 2: subscribers to eight Passengers channel.

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Speaker 11: That's the numbers that I've seen as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who in the hay is drinking the kool aid?

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to know, And I want to

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Speaker 2: go now to Donna Kelly, former Utah Senior Deputy District

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Speaker 2: Attorney and lawyer for Crime Victims Legal Clinic. Donna, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. And I've seen this over

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Speaker 2: and over and over. It's not just a story. It's

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Speaker 2: not something we're reporting on. It's not some fiction or

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Speaker 2: TV made for TV movie. Not only do you have

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Speaker 2: the parents abusing the child horribly, but people around them,

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Speaker 2: they know what's happening and they do nothing. What is

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Speaker 2: wrong with these people? I mean, it's not as if

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Speaker 2: this just happened and they suddenly see, Oh, the child

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Speaker 2: has bruises all over their arms. That's suspicious. They're starved.

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Speaker 2: There a starve that takes a long period of time,

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Speaker 2: Donna Kelly, and nobody noticed.

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Speaker 4: Yes it does.

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Speaker 12: And unfortunately, many abusers are have the mindset that they

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Speaker 12: work hard at portraying themselves as you know, the good parent,

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Speaker 12: the parent you go to when you need advice. That

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Speaker 12: type of thing is not uncommon, and so that appears

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Speaker 12: to be what's going on here is that this particular

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Speaker 12: set of parents decided that they were going to portray

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Speaker 12: to the world. And apparently a lot at least two

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Speaker 12: point two million people.

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Speaker 4: Were fooled.

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Speaker 2: Guys. I just want you to hear something. Take a

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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 13: Independent journalist and YouTuber Katie Paulson tracks child abuse cases.

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Speaker 13: She says Frankie's YouTube Channel eight passengers caught her at time.

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Speaker 14: And she was saying how she would send her daughter

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Speaker 14: to school with no food, and it was almost like

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Speaker 14: she was bragging about it.

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Speaker 13: She recalls another time when Frankie's son openly talked about

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Speaker 13: his punishment on the channel.

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Speaker 14: He was talking about how he had been sleeping on

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Speaker 14: the floor on a bean bag chair and how his

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Speaker 14: mom had taken away his bed and is taking away

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Speaker 2: That child had to sleep on a bean bag chair

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Speaker 2: for seven plus months for pulling a prank on his brother,

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Speaker 2: A prank, i might add, that didn't even cause any

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Speaker 2: physical harm. What he did was he told the brother

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Speaker 2: they were going to Disneyland the next morning, and the

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Speaker 2: didn't go to Disneyland. That was a prank, and this

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: I've watched the videos this mom brags about withholding food.

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Speaker 2: You know, last night John David was away too late

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Speaker 2: on a school night, and I thought he was hungry.

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Speaker 2: Some made toast with honey. And this was at eleven

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Speaker 2: o'clock at night when he has to get up at six. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I know he's up too late. I brought that to

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Speaker 2: his attention, But he's six ' five. What am I

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Speaker 2: gonna do? Hold him down and sit on him in

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Speaker 2: with a glass of milk. And he went straight to

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Speaker 2: sleep after that. And here we've got a mom starving

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Speaker 2: the children and ragging about it online. But I also

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Speaker 2: don't understand. To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychology and consultant.

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Speaker 2: You can find her at psychologydoctor dot com. She's bad enough,

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Speaker 2: but who are the two point two million people that

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Speaker 2: tune in to watch her gibberish?

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Speaker 15: Well, I can tell you I certainly wasn't tuning in.

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Speaker 15: I've never even heard of Ruby frank until this came up.

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Speaker 15: But what's more deplorables her sidekick, Jodie Hildebrandt, who's a

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Speaker 15: license professional, who's observing this the whole time.

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Speaker 2: Two point two million people are following this witch straight

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Speaker 2: from hell. I want you to hear more of what

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Speaker 2: we have learned. Take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 2: Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 13: Diane Nevins remembers being horrified at what she was watching

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Speaker 16: It was kind of like every video there was something

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Speaker 16: he was like two and a half years old, and

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Speaker 16: she never got any help. And she admitted that she

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Speaker 16: had a one point he'd fallen off the couch or

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Speaker 16: she dropped him. He had got no no physical therapy anything.

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Speaker 13: Nevin says when she commented her concerns, she was blocked

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Speaker 2: What exactly to Emily Askoff, joining us investigative reporter for

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Speaker 2: KSL dot com, what was found in the home after

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Speaker 2: the neighbor has to call nine one one when she

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Speaker 2: gets a twelve year old little boy who says his

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Speaker 2: ten year old sisters inside of the same injuries, starved,

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Speaker 2: starved and covered in lacerations showing the child had been

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Speaker 2: tied up. What the cops find when they go inside.

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Speaker 11: They found a second child, and that the two youngest

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Speaker 11: children in the family were both so starved. The one

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Speaker 11: that didn't crawl out and initially refused medical care, but

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Speaker 11: they after interacting with her for a while, they kind

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Speaker 11: of said, let's go to the hospital as well. And

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Speaker 11: both of the women were churched with six counts, three

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Speaker 11: for each child of aggravated child abuse.

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Speaker 2: Authorities say. The children were described as quote their words,

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Speaker 2: not mine, emaciated and malnourished, with open wounds and duct

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Speaker 2: tapes around the extremities, begging for food and water, begging

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Speaker 2: for food and water. And this woman. And don't think

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Speaker 2: I'm letting the husband off, Oh no, I'm getting to him.

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Speaker 2: This woman actually has a YouTube channel where she dispenses advice.

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Speaker 2: I'm just imagining the inside of that home and how

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Speaker 2: the children were bound with duct tape and apparently their

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Speaker 2: skin was burned with ropes having tied them up. What

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Speaker 2: kind of mothering and fathering is that? And it brings

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Speaker 2: to mind the so called House of Horrors. Yes, the

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Speaker 2: evil Turpin parents. Their daughter crawled out of the house

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Speaker 2: found in the same exact condition. Take listen to our

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Speaker 17: They're changed up to their bed guys.

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Speaker 18: According to an arrest report obtained by WFTV, wolf Thal

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Speaker 2: listen to doctor free has joining us pediatrician, pediatric emergency

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Speaker 2: That's what makes her different from the Turpin family or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you think you know your neighbor, You

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Speaker 2: Jensenprivate Investigations dot com. This is in your neck of

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Speaker 2: the woods. What do you have to say.

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, there's a lot that can be said here.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting that, you know the outer image that was

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Speaker 2: Jason Jensen, isn't it true that your children have actually

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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, Actually, my two kids were the ones that

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Speaker 2: Let me understand something. Emily Ashcroft joining us from KSL

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Speaker 2: Child Protective Services went to the hall even though now

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Speaker 11: Yet they went to the home to talk about those

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Speaker 2: I watched it. She brags about withholding food from her children.

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Speaker 2: This is Ruby Frankie in eight Passengers.

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Speaker 10: I just got a text message from Eve's teacher and

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Speaker 19: Kevin and I have decided that we are going to

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Speaker 19: presents to open and that they will have the gift

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Speaker 19: of love from their dad.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, okay, let's just examine what we just heard. Donna

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Speaker 2: Kelly joining me, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney. Donna.

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Speaker 2: She says the youngest two, which I believe to be

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Speaker 2: around the ages of six and seven, were unwilling to

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Speaker 2: quote repent. So therefore, while all the other children were

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Speaker 2: visited by Santa, the two little ones were not because

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Speaker 2: they would not quote repent. I didn't make that up,

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Speaker 2: she said that. And after you speak, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: need a shrink on this. Go ahead, Donna Kelly, and Donna,

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Speaker 2: I know you've seen this, as have I, where one

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Speaker 2: or more children are picked out as the targets. Although

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Speaker 2: I think all of these children have been abused and

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Speaker 2: mistreated seemingly one usually is picked out as the most

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Speaker 2: despised and hated, and they're tortured more than anyone else.

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Speaker 2: These two children, as they watch their sisters and brothers

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Speaker 2: get Christmas Morning surprises, they get nothing. And then there

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Speaker 2: are two children that are bound with duct tape and

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Speaker 2: ropes and starved. I just want to get my hands

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Speaker 2: around this woman's neck. Then not only does she do

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Speaker 2: this to her children behind closed doors, she brags about

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Speaker 2: it on a YouTube channel that is two point two

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Speaker 2: million followers.

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Speaker 12: It's just absolutely heartbreaking to listen to her portray herself

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Speaker 12: as the victim. You know, we told these two children

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Speaker 12: that their dad and I were very sorrowful, and so

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Speaker 12: she's portraying herself as the victim, which is a very

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Speaker 12: common abuser tactic, you know, gaslighting the victim. And these

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Speaker 12: are children. They need to learn by trial and error

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Speaker 12: as they go along, and the parents need to be

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Speaker 12: responding to them in that way, in a kind and

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Speaker 12: loving way, and it's just absolutely heartbreaking. I can see

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Speaker 12: why they were charged with severe emotional harm of these

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Speaker 12: two children. In the charging document, they're charged with not

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Speaker 12: only torture maltrition, but also severe emotional harm, which it

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Speaker 12: absolutely is.

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Speaker 2: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologists and consultant, what do

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Speaker 2: you make of the other children, four of them getting

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Speaker 2: all their Christmas gifts from Santa and these two being

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Speaker 2: left out on Christmas morning, one of the biggest days,

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Speaker 2: one of the two biggest days in the Christian year,

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Speaker 2: that being Christmas and Easter, and they're left out because

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't quote repent.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, she wants to make an example out of them,

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Speaker 15: punish them, humiliate them. You know, it's all this sort

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Speaker 15: of brainwashing, gaslightingness.

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Speaker 2: On a six year old, gaslighting, manipulating, abusing a six

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Speaker 2: year old child and her brother. So let me understand something.

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Speaker 2: The Emily Ashcroft, the six year old child that had

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Speaker 2: food withheld, would that be the now ten year old

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Speaker 2: child left behind in the home, starving and tied up

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Speaker 2: when the twelve year old brother escapes through the window.

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Speaker 11: That would be that same child.

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Speaker 2: So this has been going on since the little girl

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Speaker 2: was six and the little boy was eight.

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Speaker 11: One of the things that Ruby Frankie said after her

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Speaker 11: arrest was that those children weren't fit to be around

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Speaker 11: other children. And I'm not sure what she means by that,

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Speaker 11: but it seems like it was specific to those.

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Speaker 2: Where is the dad and all this? What is he

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Speaker 2: doing standing by twiddling his thumbs?

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Speaker 11: So at this point, Ruby Frankie and her children were

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Speaker 11: down in Ivans, which is probably about between three and

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Speaker 11: four hours from Springville. We know that Ruby Frankie was

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Speaker 11: there because she shows up in a video and that's

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Speaker 11: why she was charged. She was in a video that

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Speaker 11: was posted shortly before. We don't know if the dad

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Speaker 11: was down there in Ivans, up in Springville, how long

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Speaker 11: he hadn't been there, or maybe he wasn't Ivans, but

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Speaker 11: he has the children right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he should have the children. Did

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Speaker 2: he not notice two of his children, at least two

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Speaker 2: of them, or being slowly starved and tortured near death?

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Speaker 2: I mean, when neighbors noticed the child is starved and

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Speaker 2: covered in dutt tape on their extremities? Where was the

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Speaker 2: dad during all this? He didn't know what's going on?

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Speaker 2: And apparently this has been going on for some time.

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Speaker 2: At least the little girl was six. Guys, take a

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Speaker 2: listen to our cup thirty.

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Speaker 5: Carturing him stopping.

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Speaker 2: I know you're not, but it looks like you are.

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Speaker 10: I'm only gonna say it one more time and then

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Speaker 10: you're gonna lose the privilege to eat dinner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I hear the laughter. I don't know what's going on,

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Speaker 2: but I also hear you're gonna lose the privilege of

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Speaker 2: eating dinner. I hear Ruby Frankie saying that what makes

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Speaker 2: her any different from all the other abusive parents? Hair

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Speaker 2: and makeup? Two hours of hair and makeup before she

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Speaker 2: gets in front of the camera. To Jason Jensen joining

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Speaker 2: US high profile private investigator out of Utah located in

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Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, Jason Jensen, how are we gonna go

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Speaker 2: about proving this case?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you hit most of it on the head.

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Speaker 4: And basically we have to show that there's a pattern,

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Speaker 4: a history between the actor, the abuser, her and her

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Speaker 4: victim children. And we have that pretty well established from

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Speaker 4: some of the outtakes of the YouTube channel, things that

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Speaker 4: have been brought up by fellow viewers and that we've

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Speaker 4: discussed here during the program. There's a history of this

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Speaker 4: type of neglect and abuse against these two particular children

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Speaker 4: that have been slowly brewing over time, where it was

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Speaker 4: perhaps determined to be minor, not enough to remove the

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Speaker 4: children from the home before, but now we're so severe

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Speaker 4: that they're being bound in duct tape like you know abductees,

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Speaker 4: and they're not even allowed to you know, venture forth

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Speaker 4: from the house and every time that they get in

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Speaker 4: trouble food is taken away as a punishment.

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Speaker 2: Well. Also we're learning that one Abruby Frankie's other daughters

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Speaker 2: says her Muther was reported to police years before for

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Speaker 2: abuse and nothing was done. And sisters of Frankie. Three

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Speaker 2: sisters have also released statements admitting that they quote kept

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Speaker 2: quiet on the subject. What in the hay is that

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Speaker 2: doctor Dana Anderson that the family knows, but they choose

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Speaker 2: to remain quiet and let the children continue to starve

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Speaker 2: and be tied up and bound.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I can't say the extent of what the family knew,

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Speaker 15: but they certainly had some information. And I think it's

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Speaker 15: interesting that they've quickly made statements to the public stating

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Speaker 15: what side they're on. And I wonder if what the

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Speaker 15: phone loongue would show of them attempting to reach out

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Speaker 15: or call CPS or the police.

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Speaker 2: Because they've issued a statement and I'm quoting them, we

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Speaker 2: quote kept quiet on the subject. Now, the daughter Sherry

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Speaker 2: has something to say. Take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 2: twenty box thirteen.

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Speaker 13: Frank's oldest daughter, Sherry Frank, who is twenty years old,

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Speaker 13: posted to her public Instagram today a photo of police

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Speaker 13: with the caption. Finally, she added another story, saying, me

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Speaker 13: and my family are so glad justice is being served.

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Speaker 13: We've been trying to tell the police and CPS for

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Speaker 13: years about this and so glad they finally decided to

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Speaker 13: step up. Kids are safe, but there's a long road ahead.

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Speaker 13: Please keep them in your prayers and also respect their privacy.

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Speaker 13: As of now, four children have been taken into custody

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Speaker 13: of Child and Family Services.

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Speaker 2: The sisters, who are also YouTubers stay this is their quote.

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Speaker 2: For the last three years, we have kept quiet on

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Speaker 2: the subject of our sister Ruby Frankie for the sake

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Speaker 2: of her children, behind the public saying We've done everything

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Speaker 2: we could to try and make sure the kids were

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Speaker 2: Say really, because they weren't the three sisters. They were starving,

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Speaker 2: they were being bound by ropes and duct tape, and

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Speaker 2: what if anything did you do about it? Sounds like

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Speaker 2: nothing Because I have a very strong suspicion that if

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Speaker 2: they had called Defects Department Family, Children's Services, CPS, CHOP

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Speaker 2: protect of Services, and some jurisdictions that there would have

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Speaker 2: been a response, would you agree, Donna Kelly.

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Speaker 12: Oh, absolutely absolutely. In this case, I am very encouraged

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Speaker 12: by a couple of things, and those are that a

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Speaker 12: lot of the evidence is going to be admissible without

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Speaker 12: the children even having to testify about some of these things.

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Speaker 12: Because when this little boy ran to the neighbor for help,

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Speaker 12: you know, they have observations. And also anything that he

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Speaker 12: told them will be admissible. Anything that he told and

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Speaker 12: the little girl, we're all told to the medical personnel

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Speaker 12: will be admissible at trial. So at the very least,

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Speaker 12: this case has very strong cooperation going forward, and I'm

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Speaker 12: very encouraged by that.

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Speaker 2: Guys, there's another person arrested. Take alist nowur cut eighteen

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Speaker 2: Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 13: Eight passengers was taken down earlier this year, and that's

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Speaker 13: when Frankie partnered with Jody Hildebrandt, a licensed therapist, in

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Speaker 13: a channel called Connections, where they gave parenting and life advice.

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Speaker 13: Here they are pictured in Hildebrant's home, the same place

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Speaker 13: Frankie's son escaped from and where her daughter was found

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Speaker 13: being held captive in the basement.

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Speaker 14: It's heartbreaking, and I think it's heartbreaking for the community

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Speaker 14: that watched this family knew that something was wrong.

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Speaker 2: So people watched the family and knew something was wrong

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Speaker 2: and did nothing. Now I want you to hear more

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Speaker 2: of what the sisters said. We wouldn't feel right about

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Speaker 2: moving forward with regular content without addressing the most recent events,

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Speaker 2: their sister getting arrested and her friend Jody Hildebrandt. But

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Speaker 2: they say once we do, we will not be commenting

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Speaker 2: on it further. Ruby was arrested, which needed to happen.

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Speaker 2: Jody was arrested, which needed to happen. The kids are

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Speaker 2: now safe, which is number one priority, Really the number

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Speaker 2: one priority. You say you've remained silent for three years.

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Speaker 2: Why did you stand by and let this happen to

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Speaker 2: these children? And where is the father? Why is he

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Speaker 2: not behind bars? Right now? We wait as justice unfolds

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Speaker 2: for the Devil's mistress, Ruby Ranky, goodbye friend,