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Speaker 1: Welcome to Local Radio Season seven, Take us to your network.

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Speaker 1: Allo La Locomotives, Welcome back to Local Thought our Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm the Assa and I am Ala. Happy New Year

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Speaker 1: to all our locomotives. We hope you had a wonderful,

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Speaker 1: to have. We hope you enjoyed it. Yes, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: wild Um. We've been podcasting since twenty sixteen. Why don't

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Speaker 1: I forget now that it's been so long. When did

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Speaker 1: we start again? Nom? November November November. Yes, we're not

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Speaker 1: rookies anymore. No, we're not not at all. We're not rookies.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're not rookie. We're grown now. We're grown.

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Speaker 1: Like last year, in spite of it all, we did

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Speaker 1: and there's there's a there's a lot of vitriol just

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Speaker 1: being spewed, and Megan, when like the facts are they're

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Speaker 1: like there's evidence, like I don't know. This to me,

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Speaker 1: like seems like a cut and dry case. This is clear,

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Speaker 1: you know, but then there's still like opinions being had.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting too because there's also another broad but like

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Speaker 1: specific conversation about like just women in music and just

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Speaker 1: across the industry women being treated very brutally, from Megan

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Speaker 1: to Kesha to Tina Turner. You know. Uh, even like

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Speaker 1: in Selena the movie, you know, they didn't want to

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Speaker 1: pay her because she's just she's just a woman, right.

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Speaker 1: Jenny Rivera suffered greatly her whole life basically, and there's

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Speaker 1: just um that element there with all of this as

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00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: well that Megan herself has also talked about, like it's

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Speaker 1: like a good old boys club and the men look

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00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: out for each other. And at the same thing that

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Speaker 1: happened with r Kelly where once he was actually arrested

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Speaker 1: and tried and convicted, the way his streaming numbers went

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00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: up and soared, and the way people came out of

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Speaker 1: the woodwork men male artists about women too. Honestly, a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of women came out of the

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Speaker 1: woodwork um to very vocally and firmly, you know, state

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00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: their support of him, even though, like, you know, the

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00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: crimes that he committed are really horrific and vile didn't matter.

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00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: And in this case, it's like Tory Lanes had like

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Speaker 1: won two songs a few years ago that did well

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Speaker 1: on the radio and stuff, and we're like summer bangers.

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Speaker 1: But but but he's not like a superstar with He's

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Speaker 1: not like a legendary talent. Like that's just like he's

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Speaker 1: not like some some huge star. But all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it seems like he has this really really really big

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Speaker 1: fan base support for him, but it seems like it's

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00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: not so much support for him as it is hatred

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00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: for Megan. Yes, people hate her. She's openly so talented,

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00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: confident at least comes off as confident, right, we don't

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00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: know how people have actually feel, but like she's talented,

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Speaker 1: she's accomplished. She is an amazing dancer, rapper. I mean,

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Speaker 1: women rappers in general are hated, but Megan is like

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Speaker 1: so goddamn talented and it's so young, got her got

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Speaker 1: her degree right while she was building her little empire.

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Speaker 1: And people hate her like they hate how so successibul

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Speaker 1: she is, men and women, all folks hate her. And

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Speaker 1: this is just blown up because of the case um

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Speaker 1: where she's like you said, Molla, she's not on trial,

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Speaker 1: she's not the one on trial, and she did not

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Speaker 1: do anything wrong. And then we have folks like another

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Speaker 1: rapper like Drake talking about her in one of his

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Speaker 1: songs and again like making the connection back to our Kelly,

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00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: where like folks came out to support him again like

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Speaker 1: even if he's not like in this lyrics supporting Tori,

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Speaker 1: he mean he is because he's like shooting on Megan

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00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: and talking ship and again folks, folks hate her. And

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Speaker 1: because she's a black woman, she's not being she's not protected,

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Speaker 1: she's vulnerable, and she lost her family, like she's quite

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Speaker 1: literally alone in this right and with a very small

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming trusted circle now right because of this, and

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Speaker 1: so protect her at all costs. That's it. It's wild.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just there's just like something in this

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Speaker 1: world about like once a woman has already been made

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Speaker 1: a victim of violence. It's like this green light for

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Speaker 1: people to pile on more. It's like, well, we're already,

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Speaker 1: we're already hurting her, so let's keep it going. Kind

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Speaker 1: of a thing like I've been following um a couple

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Speaker 1: for for another project. Right on on Twitter. There are

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Speaker 1: a couple of mothers who are mothers from of of

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Speaker 1: of school shooting victims, a Sandy Hook mother and then

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Speaker 1: while their mother who I won't name them specifically, but

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Speaker 1: I've been following them. They're very very very very vocal

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00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: and very active and something that both of them just

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00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: in there and they tweet like every day, you know,

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00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: because they're really tweeting through it, you know, the grief,

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00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: through the grief. So this connection like that I'm making

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Speaker 1: between them, between Megan, between Amber, like these women, it's

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Speaker 1: the notion of kicking someone when they're down, like victims

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Speaker 1: of violence. They've lost their kids, they've been shot. You know,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is um that has happened to these women,

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Speaker 1: it's horrible. It's violent that has not afforded the Valda

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00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: parents or Sandy Hook parents any grace or empathy from

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00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: people like as we know Alex Jones has been horrific, nasty,

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00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: terrorizing Sandy Hook families, tons like tons of like conspiracy theorists,

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00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: threats of violence, stalking like directed towards the Sandy Hook

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Speaker 1: parents in the years since, because it's been years now

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Speaker 1: since Sandy Hook, like those families experienced violence, and then

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00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: people piled on and added more. Same with Uvaldi, like

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Speaker 1: they have been experiencing a lot of violence and threats

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Speaker 1: from like of course local police and local government. And

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00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: then now you have like a Megan the Stallion, you know,

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Speaker 1: dealing with the court system in the public eye, victim

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Speaker 1: of violence, and folks are piling it on. So it's

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Speaker 1: just like this wild thing where it really just reminds

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00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: us this is why women don't come forward. This is

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00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: my victims. This is literally why because who has helped?

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00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: Who has helped? Who's being helped? Here? I mean there's

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00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: like the literal, there's like the the court of law,

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00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: there's that angle of it, and then the public court

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00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: of opinion, right and so on. Both sides, both Amber

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00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: Heard and Mega Stallion in some ways have lost. You know,

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00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: I think Mega Stallion the case is still going. Um,

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00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: she has lots of fans and lots of people supporting her,

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00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: but just as many supporters, she has lots of folks

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00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: that don't believe her, say she's dying, say it's not true,

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00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: that hate her literally, And then we have someone like

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00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Amber heard the same people hate her. They don't believe

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00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: anything that she said, and it's like, oh my god,

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00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: like the and there's this indignity too of like and

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00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: she needs to pay him ten million dollars literally, like

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00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: and she literally has to give him ten million dollars.

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00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: And the thing is like, Johnny Depp will be fine.

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00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Like whereas Amber heard like she had already, you know,

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00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: in this trial, had claimed that her role in Aquamant

534
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: Too had been significantly cut down. She's having trouble getting work,

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00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: Like there's these are the the this is like the result, right,

536
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: and the domino effect of victims coming forward, of survivors

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00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: telling their story, where in her case she didn't even

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00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: name her abuser. And in this case, right, Mega Stallion

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00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: is doing amazing. Tory Lanes clearly has people caping for

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00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: him and that he's more popular now. Yeah, and maybe

541
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: this is a conspiracy theory, but I don't think it is.

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00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: We work in social media. We're in podcasting, we do

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00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: media stuff right, Brands and folks like reach out or

544
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: used to reach out before a network deal. It's different now,

545
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: but brand that of folks used to reach out all

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00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: the time, right to do collabs, to do like interviews

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00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: and like the rates out there, to do like a

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00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: paid post or a paid tweet, or like a sponsored interview.

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00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: Like people like put a lot of money into this stuff,

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00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: into social media stuff, into content online, whether it's a TikTok,

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00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: a tweet and Instagram post. Johnny Depp is literally a

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00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: franchise star like Disney, like literally Pirates of the Caribbean,

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00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: like literally, you know huge. Um. I have no doubt

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00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: that his camp, his team, his people, Disney paid for

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00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: content creation around trial Influencers will partner with anybody for anything,

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00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: really and if there's a paycheck to make your content,

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00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: hell yeah. You know. We have said no to gigs

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00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: in the past over the years, tons of gigs we've

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00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: said no to because they're not right for us or

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00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: because they don't align with what we're doing. Yeah, but again,

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Speaker 1: not everybody does. Not everybody. I would not doubt it

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00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: if Tory Lanes and his people or his friends and

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Speaker 1: supporters have paid content creators to also cover for him,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and adding to that not necessarily even paid,

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00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: but just like bots like or just fake accounts where

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00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: you know they're they're adding to the quote discourse in

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00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: support of him, and it's like the same person. So yeah,

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00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: I hear you. It's like maybe a conspiracy, but also

569
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: maybe not because it makes sense and anything as possible

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00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: as we see via Twitter and the downfall and everything

571
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: that's going on. So yeah, a lot wild, wild stuff.

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00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: Just check your sources, everybody. Uh. You can still read

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00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: the newspaper, you really can. Um, you can still watch

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00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: like cable news, you know, like you can still listen

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00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: to like public radio and hear from vetted trained journalists

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00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: to at least give you something to compare. Round it out. Yes,

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00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: you know you got a round out. The resource the news.

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Speaker 1: The news coverage is what I've learned and what I

579
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: think we should all do. Yes, it's so important. So um,

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00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: thanks for tuning in to look at our radio. We

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00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: can't be your only news sours. We're not. We're not.

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00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: We're not, And I think that's important. Content creators, if

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00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: you're not a news source, say that commenting for analyzing

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00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: your critiquing thing, but are you reporting these words mean things?

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00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: And we can we can be precise and specific. Yeah,

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00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: and I think, I mean, I don't think that we're

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00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: content creators per se. I think we kind of fall

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00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: under that a little bit with like the social media stuff.

589
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: But as on the podcast or end, right, we side

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00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: our sources. We read lots of articles and preparations for episodes.

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00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: We shout out the journalists that we're referencing the news

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00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: articles or the tweet and so even at the very

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00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: that is the bare minimum. If you're aching content and

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00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: you're referencing other people's work or thoughts, the bare minimum

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00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: is to set your sources and so encourage anyone that's

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00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: doing that or wants to get into content creations stepping

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00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: into that lane, like, cite your sources, please lead with ethics,

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00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: think about what ethics mean for you, Like that's that's

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00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: my two cents and the sources, not another content creator. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm in journalism school. Okay, so listen to me. Um

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