WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Nelly Furtado 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.240 Couest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:09.360 episode was produced by the team at Pandora Ladies and Gentlemen. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:13.880 This is QLs classic from May seventeen, fifty twenty seventeen. 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.200 Were talking to our old pal Ellie for Time about 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.880 our Portuguese Canadian roots and her work with Timbaland and 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.400 the ups and downs of touch in a career, motherhood, 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.400 squashing beef and normalcy. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:25.239 We hope you. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:30.160 Enjoy this episode of Quest Love Supreme with Nelly for Time. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:42.200 Here we go, Supremo, Supremo, Roll Call, Suprema Son Sun Supremo, 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:48.720 Roll Call, Supremo, Roll Supremo. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:54.680 Supremo, the twenty Dollars Challenge. Yeah, We're you, Supreme fam Nerds. Yeah, 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.400 whose opening bars don't rhyme? 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:07.440 We're miscuous up Birds, Suprema my name. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:12.000 Is Fante on this instrumental My Whole Family with jam 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:14.040 to Nellie on Dance Central. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.880 Suprema Sure, roll Call, my. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.880 Name is Sugar, say it right, Yeah, Nellie for Tato, 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:29.840 turn off the light. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:38.400 Oh car Subrever, Suprema. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:42.680 Role paid Bill. I can't take no more. Yeah, I 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.800 guess I'll go knock there on one hundred. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:50.800 Doors, Suprema Supremo roll call. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.840 Sure So Supremo. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.720 Roll is my nombre. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:01.080 For goodness sakes, Yeah, Canada is not only that young 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:02.480 boy Drake roll. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.480 Roll Supremo Supremo roll call. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:17.720 I'm yeah, wold number one fan. Yeah, pottles here Yeah, man. 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.320 So supple roll. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:27.720 Roll Nelly. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.840 Yeah, that's who I am. 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:37.799 Excited to rock requests because he's my jam Supremo. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:44.280 Roll came Supremo. Some some Supremo roll call Supremo. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:48.560 So So Supremo, roll came Suprema Son. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.320 Supremo roll. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:03:00.000 Roll so so I one two, three four, one hundred dollars. 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.960 Wait a minute, no, because, like you said, whoa. 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.079 Who number one fan, I didn't rhyme it with woda O. 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.720 You saying that that deserves the black guy thinking pointing 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:13.000 to his. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:17.640 That's what that belongs to. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:23.120 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to another a new edition of 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:29.600 Courts Love Supreme. I'm quests love this team Supreme Supreme. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:34.840 Yes two point zero Courts Love Supreme. Our guest with 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.400 us today. She is a breath of fresh air. I 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:44.240 shall say I've been a long time admirer of this. Uh. 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:49.000 I'll say songbird for a voice or music, her artistry. 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.040 She came out the gate in two thousand as a 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.520 solo artist with her debut Woe Nelly. That kind of 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.680 captured our hearts and our minds in our ears with 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.560 hits like turn off the Light. Uh ship on the 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:05.960 radio and I said it, I didn't say ellipses, ellipses. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:06.040 On the radio. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.080 Uh. And of course like a bird, she won multiple 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.240 Juno Awards, Grammy Awards. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:11.840 Uh. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.960 Not stopping there, she collaborated with uh megastar acts like 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:17.520 any r D, Missy. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:18.839 Elliott and the Roots. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.560 Yeah, on Sacrifice, I forgot that she collaborated on my 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:24.200 own song. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:26.880 I appreciate that. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.040 Uh. Therese also Nos Jurassic fives to well remembers, uh 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:32.680 chaos Knon. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.560 It just goes on and on. Paul can feel. 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.680 Tiesto probably her most important collaboration. I was in two 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:42.400 thousand and six with her uh her third album which 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.760 is Loose uh with Templand, and she didn't stop a 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.200 lot of Yeah, twelve million amazing. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.839 If I sold twelve million copies, I wouldn't anything, answer, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.640 would never see me anything exactly exactly. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:05:00.040 I said, twelve million t Shirtain it's over Fi. She 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:00.640 stopped there. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.680 She released an all Spanish record in two thousand and 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:11.839 nine with me, I'm not used to mirror the Wikipedia. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.560 Man, this is this is well, I'm trying to human. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:16.240 Cook. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:17.640 Yeah, this is. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:25.240 Starting to begin. Let him cook. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:26.400 This is great. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.600 You understand how much changed this is. This is I 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.800 thought I thought I was coming in like you know, 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:33.760 I just thought I. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:34.320 Wasn't used to it. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.599 I was appreciated. 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:40.560 This is great, this is this is amazing own anyway, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:41.880 thank you all for interrupting me. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.440 Guys, no problem, yeah. 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:49.480 Yeah, anyone else anything there in the studio. 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:51.800 Tell you. 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.920 She's offering us her sixth U studio album entitled well, 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.039 he missed the part about my Latin Grammy mentioned that. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:09.320 I mentioned, I mentioned that, but interrupt about Yes. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:11.680 I covered your whole life. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.280 Thank you good. That was good. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:20.120 I don't know what's the social Security it's five five five. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.800 Ladies and gentlemen, childhood memory. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:27.440 Yes, and she's also heading up the Donald Trump russigate investigations. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.440 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Nelly for t. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:32.520 Thank you. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:33.960 Thanks. I was such a nice intro. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.559 It was my first to see you again. 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:37.960 It's great to see you too. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:38.640 What the hell? 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.120 Yeah, man, it's it's we occasionally send tweets to each other. 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:44.400 So you guys are close. 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:52.000 I guess we've I've been to Philly, that's legit. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.920 I've been there in the old studio. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.400 Well, I don't know before then it was ready join. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.279 E've been in that studio forever. Have you ever seen 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:04.520 a stripper in the studio? 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:04.800 Yes? 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:10.440 Yeah, that was so long ago. 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:11.920 That was like in two thousand and one when we 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.200 went together and Philly and you guys like had the 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.440 whole thing written already, the chorus. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.600 And I was bummed out because I thought I'd get 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:19.720 to co write with you. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.080 Because I don't think sacrifice. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.400 Is I'm like, okay, like this is cool. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.920 Right now, Like, yeah, you should have done that. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.760 It was like really it was fun though, I like, 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.320 I mean that album is amazing, but like, yeah, so 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:37.440 I was just happy to be there. 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:37.920 It was fine. 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.520 You felt like Missy, like, I'm gonna be on your 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.440 records just singing no hooks. That's kind of ew like because. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.680 I always wrote my own song, so I had Actually 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.960 that was the first time someone had like written a 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:49.000 thing for me to sing. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:50.960 So I was like, but it's the roots. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.560 So I was like, of course, like I'm just happy 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.360 to be here and be on your album, and I say, fun, 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:56.160 how did you. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:56.960 Get that postion check? 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.840 Next time Gott and I was one of. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:06.600 There's always the future, exactly, There's always the future, you 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.360 know when I when I first met you, I think 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.640 the very first time we opened. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.480 For you, we walked Area one. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:17.400 No, this we we did. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.600 We also sang together a bunch on Area one tour. Yeah, 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.480 but even before Area one and performed live with you, there. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.040 Was there was a show we did together, and I 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.520 know that we You came on first and then we 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.080 came on, But I came in right when you were 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.280 dancing to BBD's Poison. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.520 What Dutch, and I was like, you know my interlude 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.079 that I did in my in my head. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.320 I already had it pecked out that you were just 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.959 a pop showing two that I saw on t r 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.640 L and you know, like like a bird leads you 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.560 to believe, at least at that time when the single 0:08:55.640 --> 0:09:00.520 was just out and we all looked at each other like, wait, 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.200 who is this on stage? 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.959 Like Nelly for titles is the same person doing the 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.240 like she was doing the dance that they were doing 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:07.840 in the video. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.920 In the video, and so it was like it was 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.199 a well Nelly moment, like we hardly knew. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.480 You as I got to do Hello Cool Jay and 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.760 Mary and one other act something Pepa on the same 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:19.439 little routine. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.080 Yeah I didn't know. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.880 Yeah, but then you explained to me about your days 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.440 even before your sold, the career with Neil Starr and 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:26.960 that stuff. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.520 So yeah, there's always so much, right, I mean, you 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.680 know this, You're an artist, So it's like there's so 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.840 much that goes into who you are that people don't 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.800 see when you make like a product or a packaged 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.400 thing and you just roll with it. It's okay, you know, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.320 but but the people you know who end up like 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.640 digging deeper into maybe what you do, we are going 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.559 to see. I make the same mistake today, like I 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.760 judge artists all the time, and then I listen to 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.600 their catalog and I feel so guilty or see their show, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.320 you know, and I'm like, oh, damn, I should never 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.440 judge an artist until I actually, like last night, I 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.920 was listening to the new Drake album because I'm like, well, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.560 let me just put this on and listen to it. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.640 You know what, I mean so like, you can't speak 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.640 on something unless you listen to unless you go to 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:03.960 the show. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:05.760 He took you to South I feel like, you know 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.640 what's fair, he took you to South Africa. 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.160 Right now he's making South Africa house the No. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.000 But like, honestly, like I feel like, I really feel. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.880 Like you can't judge an artist until you listen to 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.720 something a whole album of one album at least, and 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.600 you go to their live show or watch like YouTube 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:22.600 live clips or something. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.920 But is it fair to listen to the first album, 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.679 because sometimes it's not fair. I always listen to the 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:27.160 first one. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:31.400 Because you know, sometimes you have to dig deeper. Yeah, 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.079 you have to dig a little deeper. I don't know, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:37.560 I mean, but anyway, thanks for talking about that, because 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:39.319 I mean, well. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.040 I wanted to know what your beginnings. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.080 I said the word, Uh, what they were that at 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.319 least led you to wanting to start a music career. 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.440 Oh god, I was young. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.840 I was young, Like there was no Mickey Mouse Club. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.040 I was from a small town lot of Victoria, BC. 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.199 But they weren't even any talent shows. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.600 But I had a church, I had a Portuguese church community, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.400 so like I got to sing there. I get to 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.319 sing at church at our festivals. We call them fashtach. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:17.280 Where yeah, fashduje at the fashtaka And I sang with 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.600 my mom in Portuguese when I was four years old, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.719 and I got up on the stage and I just 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:22.679 knew that I loved it. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.920 I just knew that I wanted to be doing that 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.760 because I felt like I was spreading joy and love 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.880 and good vibes, and I just I felt that at 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.160 the age of four, it was really kind of weird, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:34.920 but I'd always sing songs like I would make up 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.240 songs on the spot from when I was apparently I 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.480 was two or three no around the house and my 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.200 sister would literally be like sing sing, make up a 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.480 song because my eyes would well up with tears and 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:45.800 I'd get super emotional. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:47.480 So it was always inside of me. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.880 I did an experiment at moment PS one in the fall. 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.160 I did an installation where I wrote songs with one 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.200 hundred strangers in the course of three hours, and I 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.240 was trying to explore this connection. We have to like 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.880 the source and why we write songs and why it 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.200 comes to you, and how we can tap into that 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.800 and prove that it's an empathic thing and prove that, 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.920 like a song can prove how we're all similar rather 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:12.440 than different. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.679 And can I keep back up? 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.800 Yeah, without me making any Houston five hundred references. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.960 So you there are a hundred people in the room. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.080 No, okay. So it was anywhere from like one person. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.360 The smallest group was one person, and then the largest 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.720 group was ten people and a dog the last group 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.439 and the moment passed. One had this back to school 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.480 fundraiser and I'm friends with this performance. Aren't his name 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.440 Ryan McNamara, And he told me I could do anything 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:41.760 with the one room. He's like, do you want a 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.800 room with this thing? And I was like I do 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.880 because I have this idea. I want to do this 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.800 experiment where I sit with my guitar. And this started 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.000 in I used to do songwriting workshops or ongoing like 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.319 in this place called Nara Kenya and with these girls 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.559 at this high school called Lali. So I go there 0:12:58.559 --> 0:12:59.960 all the time. Made a bunch of friends are over 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.079 years working with this nonprofit. And what I do is 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.480 do a songwriting workshop. When we write a song, but 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.600 it just exists in that moment and then it's over, 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:09.600 you know. So I'm very into this idea that a 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.720 song is just this expression and it because you know 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.240 as well as I, we don't record everything we write. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:16.839 We just do it to do it, you know what 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:17.199 I mean. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.160 So I wanted to in that room like okay, So, 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:21.800 like one person will walk in and sit down. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.640 I'd have my guitar. I'd tape it on tape. 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:25.800 Recorder because I didn't want it to be like this 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.400 branded moment that was videotaped. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.240 I wanted it to exist in that moment. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.360 Yeah, And so I'd come and sit down and I'd 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.080 be like, Okay, what did you dream last night? And 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.880 they tell me about their dream the night before, or 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.320 I'd be like, what was your favorite childhood vacation? And 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.880 then I'd start singing a song and they would contribute, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.040 sometimes if they had any. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.080 Musical ability or not. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.200 And by the end, after fifteen minutes, if someone would 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:47.960 knock on the door when I had two minutes left, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.040 then I would record the thing. Then I would wrap 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.480 the cassette in the paper with all our lyrics. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:53.920 And usually there. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.480 Were different reactions. Some people would cry there were two 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.400 people fighting, because some people didn't know each other in 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.640 the groups, because everybody was trying to get into the thing, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.760 and they'd. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.640 Be like some people didn't like each other. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.200 But then there was a lot of laughter, and I 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.240 felt great because sometimes you wonder like will your inspiration 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:10.920 ever run out? 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.240 You know what I mean? Will it ever just like end? 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.200 And then the truth is more and more like the 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.040 more you share with people, like the more you. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.320 Get how's it? 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.720 I mean, I'm just trying to figure the logistics, like 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.800 if I'm a fan of Nelly for Tylo, like, wouldn't 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.480 you be freaking out and all it? Like how do 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.080 you just calm them down? Just to get to the 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:30.160 point of the experiment. 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.000 I think they saw how chill I was. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.520 And Ryan had left the room in this like really 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.360 moody orange light, and it was like a back to 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.520 school theme that night at the museum. So it was 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.400 almost like I was a teacher, So you were coming 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.320 into a classroom it was maybe just one or two people, 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:50.000 maybe you were with a friend, and so some people, yeah, 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:51.240 maybe I got them in this. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.320 Weird, vulnerable moment where they're like, whoa, this is weird. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.160 You got the place and why is she so chill? 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.240 And and they're probably like the version of me in 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.200 that room is nothing like anything they've seen in a 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.120 video or something. So I'm just like, hey, you know, 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.240 I start writing because you know, it's a different vibe 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:11.040 when you write a song. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.440 It's nothing like your stage persona or anything like that. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:14.440 It's a whole other thing. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.760 So most people were pretty calm. Some people, I don't know. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.880 Some people were songwriters aspiring songwriters, and they would they 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:22.720 were just enjoying it. 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.440 They're like, sweet, this is so cool. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.000 Were there any particular moments in that experiment that stood 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:27.240 out to. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.920 You, Like these two people were arguing because like the 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.760 lady didn't like the lyrics this younger guy was writing 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.120 because they were kind of goofy. They had like some 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:40.560 like Prince Arthur reverence or like something something crazy or 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.680 perverted or something. And then and then the lady was 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:45.480 all like I. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:46.760 Don't like those, you know what I mean. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.920 We had to agree, So it was like, oh, there 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.640 were some people who weren't really participating. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:53.640 They were just staring at me. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:58.880 But I was still I know you would have been 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.440 you would have been like, show me how you're going 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.160 to do this if I don't participate, Yeah, but you 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.000 asked me, you asked me. Then I wrote this whole 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.960 statement about it. And the whole point was, since I 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.840 was little, I never understood where the. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:11.600 Songs came from. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.760 I was like, where's this words coming from? The melodies 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.520 blah blah blah, the music in my head. I never 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.360 really understood it. So I just wanted to explore that 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.680 a little bit more, I guess. But the answered to 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:23.840 your question is I eventually moved to Toronto after I 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.840 graduated high school from Victoria, a very small small town, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.200 and I moved to Toronto and I got immersed in 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.560 the scene. There was an urban scene that was burgeoning, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.320 and so I started a trip hop group with my 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.560 friend Talis and we called it Nelstar, and I just 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.320 kind of did my thing. And I was seventeen, eighteen 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.960 years old. I missed my parents. I moved back home 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.960 and went to college for a year in Victoria, I 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.640 bought a guitar. I started playing at like coffee shops 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.600 and trying to get my songwriting better. And then but 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.440 right before I left, I sang in a talent show 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:56.640 called the Honey Jam. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.640 I was eighteen, and it was mostly rappers in R and. 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.720 B, singers all female, and then I kind of came 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.879 up there and did this like weird little trip hop song. 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.760 And my manager at the time was there, and I 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.320 met him that night and sort of kept in touch 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:14.919 and ended up this. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.160 It was like a Cinderella type thing. It was like, Ooh, 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.399 You're getting flown to New York because they like your demo. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.159 I think the reason why I was because do you 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.040 remember back in the day when people had professional writers 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.840 write their bio and you got a professional headshot. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:28.960 For your photos. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.080 So when you had a demo and you were an 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.320 artist who wanted a record deal, you like would have 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.040 a professional photo and a pio. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.600 So I said, I don't want that. I want to 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:40.320 stand out. 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.600 So I went to the local gallery of mall photo booth, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.639 like down the street from my aunts where I was 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.480 staying on her sofa bed, and I took strip mall 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.960 photos of myself. I scanned them at work because I 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.600 had a job doing customer service at an alarm company. 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.600 I was like snuck into the room with the scanners 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.840 and the computer and I made friends with the systems 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.840 guy who worked there let music, and I photocopied my 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.160 own like strip mall photo like cool, the. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.800 Crazy background like did you have liked Michael Jackson like. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:12.360 Coming out of a war? 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.000 Yeah, not the Tupac not the club background was like 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:22.520 to champagne. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.359 And like a dusty like orange curtain behind your blue 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.399 and I just made it look all like trippy and 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.959 then I wrote not a bio. I wrote like a 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.720 weird mantra, like I just did like a journal entry 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.240 style bio and at the time nobody was doing that. 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.439 Yeah. I was like, what made you do that? 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:38.159 I don't know. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.320 My manager was cool, he was just like, this is great, 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:41.359 this will make you stand out. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.520 That's cool that you did this. Write down what you 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.480 said to me in your office that day, you know where. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.680 I said some super like megalomaniacle stuff like I want 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.480 to be Gandhi and mother Tosa, like you have that 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.920 ambition that burning like get me out of my circumstance ambition, 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:58.760 and you're just like, I. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.040 Wrote this bio myself. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.440 I wrote some crazy like mantra journal entry style bio 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.280 and people were like, who's this curl? 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:07.720 We want to meet her? And I had a demo 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:08.320 to go with it. 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:09.440 That was maybe I. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:10.160 Should have done that. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.679 No, because the protocol, uh the least that I learned 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:21.280 is whatever critic pans your album the most, when when 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:25.120 it's reviewed, you get that person to write the bio, 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.760 to write your bio, So that way it's a conflict 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.919 of interest from them reviewing your album again. 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.640 Music industry hack, same ones, the same ones will get 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:41.960 you again. 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.880 What I'm saying, if they don't like you, will continue to. 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:49.280 Writer blah blah blah has written your bio, your record, 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.359 he'll pass at Rolling Stone from giving you another you know, 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:54.359 Mundane three star writing. 0:19:54.440 --> 0:20:00.119 But yeah, yeah, yeah, black black man. If you you. 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:00.760 Know, we get a. 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.840 Can we just say man that the reviews all us 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:06.360 artists were like, we don't care. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.320 We almost so care. 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.640 It hurts when someone writes a bad review, I think. 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:13.920 But I'm saying that you're your friend. 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.080 Was it came out the gate as in, I mean, 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:24.359 everyone universally agreed that it was an unusual record for starters. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.000 I the thing that impressed me about it the most 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.359 was well as as Bill and I were noting before 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:39.200 I realized that your production team was definitely into quote 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.160 unquote real hip hop. This is when I say real 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.600 hip hop, it's it's from the when the old guy, 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.640 the old hip hop fans is real hip hop, but 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:55.080 it's just certain nuances, certain snares used that I realized, like, oh, 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.720 whoever's producing this record really is dipped in the hip 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.080 hop culture because but it wasn't done in a way 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.800 where it exploits it, like you didn't come out the gate, 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:09.040 or you weren't marketed as a hip hop artist. 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.000 Yet there were a lot let it come to us. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:13.000 It was. 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.879 It was probably the most pure, you know because at 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.040 least in between like nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand, 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.880 you know, people's version of hip like hip hop being 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:26.639 infused inside the pop music. 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.000 Was like all right, let's steal my sunshine. 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.119 Yeah, let's get the piece of President's there, like the 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:35.240 theme of Scrubs right or or you know Atlantis Marsett 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:40.200 using a piece of President or George Michael using Funky Jones. 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.680 Exactly without prejudice album. 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.080 Yeah, it's just like okay, like you know, let me 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.080 just put this loop there. But your people were using 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:55.480 like some obscure shit and using it the right way 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.920 that real hip hop hits were like, hmm, okay, cheat, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:05.120 she she just isn't the average guy the culture vulture. Yeah, 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.760 like you say, yeah, you're coming on some real shit. 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.240 So what was the process like doing the first record? 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:12.239 I'm glad you asked me that. 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:18.760 So we we started with a demo and we did 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.920 it in Brian West's like attic studio. Three of us me, 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.679 Jerald Eaton, and Brian West. They were part of an 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:29.480 R and B group called the Philosopher Kings, kind of 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.040 like what used to be called acid jazz pop, like 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.280 that kind of band. They were really good live and 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.359 really talented musicians. They've all gone on to have their 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.160 own production and writing careers, but anyway, I got two 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:40.960 of them. I got Brian West and Gerald Eaton, who 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:42.679 was a singer in the band. That was really key 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:44.679 because Gerald Eaton was such a good singer that he 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:46.800 really knew how to vocal arrange me. He really knew 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.600 how to like make sure that the vocals were interesting 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:54.320 and make sure that my harmonies were interesting on the album. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.040 Because there's a lot of ideas floating around. 0:22:57.760 --> 0:22:59.520 Yeah, and the three of us we co produced the 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.159 album to other we actually worked as a team and 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.359 we I actually programmed like the baseline on Turn Off 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:06.960 all Lit like, I just like actually played it on 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.439 the keyboard and ship on the radio. I wrote on guitar, 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:16.200 I played the guitar on the record, and I think 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.159 that the three of us were so invested in just 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.359 having fun. You know. Pro Tools had just been invented, 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:26.359 so the actual process was interesting. We were working in 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.320 this really cold it had no heating, this like studio 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:34.200 place in Toronto, in a warehouse building, and pro Tools 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.159 kept crashing because Brian didn't really know how to use 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:37.800 it yet and it was bugging out. 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.240 So in the long spells. 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:46.400 Of time, yeah, looking at me, like, no, it still. 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:47.000 Crashes all the time. 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.639 But like imagine like when it first like literally but 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.320 you know, like when it first came out, there were 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.440 like a lot of glitches and like he was trying 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:56.960 to merge them. He was trying to merge the midi 0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.600 with it all the sounds, and that was causing problems 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:04.840 for us. And so I just like take naps and stuff. 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:06.800 So I'd wake up and Gerald will be like, your 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:08.800 voice sounds so cool right now. You got to sing 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.800 the vocal for this song right now. And it'd be 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.880 three in the morning. I'd be like really be like yeah, 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.920 and I'd sing this this like hook or whatever. 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:18.159 The other thing we were doing was we're one of 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:19.160 the records store a lot. 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.920 We were going to our friend Aki Aki store called 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:23.399 Cosmos in Toronto. 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:25.800 E've been that one the best you should go. 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:32.000 Anyway, So we we would go there and get a 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.440 lot of Brazilian music and stuff like that and just 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:39.240 kind of listen and get inspired, you know, everything from 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.760 Milch Andasimento to like Martinho de Villa or whatever, and 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.119 we would sample it and kind of create things that 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:48.280 way right on. Vocally too, I had experimented with a 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.399 lot of things in New Star that I kind of 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:54.480 like ended up kind of bringing that kind of like 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:58.000 that sort of uh sort of scat like singing, you know, 0:24:58.080 --> 0:24:59.880 that kind of sing rap type. 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.160 Of when you started when you do this, I don't 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:02.600 know what you call. 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:08.919 It was very influenced by like Brazilian vocal percussion, but 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:11.280 the process was long. So the reason, well, Nelly, that 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:12.920 first record sounds like that and it sounds like this 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:18.240 crazy postiche is because it was very conscious the making 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:19.920 of it. Like I brought in albums that I love, 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.640 like I was really into Corner Shop at the time 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:23.560 when I was born. 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:24.440 For the seventh time. 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:29.280 Yeah, first groups to really merge pop with like cultural music, 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:30.040 you know what I mean. 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.720 A lot of Indian yeah influence. Thank you for seeing 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:36.320 me on that years. 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.920 Yeah, but we'd find like street buskers, street musicians in 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:48.199 the subway, like pillon, vibraphone or sitar, and we'd be like, 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:49.920 can you come to the studio today, Like we had 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.840 lots of people come play and we just sample them. 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.520 And well we'd not sample them, like we wouldn't pay them. 0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:57.400 We'd pay them for their session and then we would 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.720 use it in different ways. But there's even Brazilian. There's 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.240 some quirky instruments on there. So anyway, all that hard 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:08.119 work and time and energy and technical difficulties led to 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:09.000 the sound of the album. 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:12.600 Technical so you say mistakes, yeah. 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.239 Man, like pro tools crashing, you know, and things like 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.159 taking longer to like what there's a song on that 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:21.120 album that took one month to record, and I mean 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.600 we were in the studio every day experimenting. 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:25.400 It's called trying to find a. 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.440 Way, Okay, okay, yeah that makes sense. 0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:34.080 In San Francisco, kidst some way that one. 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:39.360 Okay, So were you how did you feel about the 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:41.240 reception of the record. 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:44.800 In the first album, it was weird because I wanted 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.160 Ship on the Radio to be the first single. I'm glad. 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:49.879 I was going to. 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:56.680 Say, how do you present that idea, like as I'm 0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.480 going to criticize the radio and to be like, hey, 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:02.760 but I don't think it came out the gate thinking. 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:05.400 No, it was weird. 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:06.240 You know what it was? 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.240 It was my friend, Like you know, your friends and 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.119 then your real friends, so it's like there's always like 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:14.240 the Peanut gallery who's like too cool for everything, and 0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.760 it's like, oh, I feel like it was a random 0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.600 conversation in a car and somebody said, I. 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:24.040 No, no, I mean. 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.320 Us as if we are too cool and we're snobs, 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:27.320 and yeah, but that's cool. 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.080 You can do that, but not to your friends. So 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.040 like somebody had a car I. 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.520 No, but like should on the radio happened because I 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.400 was in a car with a friend from back home. 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.320 It was a group of people and someone said to me, hey, 0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:42.760 it was like more like an acquaintance. 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:44.640 Was like, you signed a record deal. 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.440 Make sure you don't make cheesy music, make sure you 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:50.200 don't make bad music, make sure you make cool music. 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:53.639 And I was like, excuse me, Like that was like 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.000 it's like really hating before you even had a chance 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.000 to do anything, and people just hate just to hate, 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:00.680 and soh on radio was out that I was like, 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.679 you know what, I don't need to prove myself to 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:05.600 you or anyone. I can just like do what I 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.640 want to do and I don't need to worry about shoegazing, 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:12.720 you know. And so yeah, so anyway, so present into 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.159 a record label. Yeah, Mo Austin, I don't know, do 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:15.959 you know Mo Austin? 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:17.400 Yes, we know the legend of movie. 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:18.240 Yeah, man, like. 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.480 He worked at dream Works, like my label had like. 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.720 Lenny wren Coode Mo Austin and like. 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:29.560 Yeah nice, Yeah, they were like the classic. 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.680 Yeah Prince not real lucky. You know. I had these 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.520 like amazing seasoned people behind me and they believed in 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:40.400 everything I did. And Lenny Waronker came to the studio 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.480 when we're almost done well Nelly, and he go he 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.160 looked at me and he goes, savor this moment. You 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:48.320 will never make music like this again because you're just 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:51.720 starting out and your impression and the way you think 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.440 and the way you create will never be the same again. 0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.200 I was gonna say that innocence and you can you 0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:02.040 can feel and hear that innocence, like the boundaries of 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.719 they're not being boundaries, you coloring outside the lines and 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:09.040 that sort of stuff. You sort of you get the 0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:10.880 sense of that, like, oh, this is a person that's 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:15.880 just discovering their body parts metaphorically speaking, like you know, 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:17.880 like oh, the limited. 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:18.120 Power I have. 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:24.120 And then it's almost like you get tainted or uh, 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:28.360 you know, there's there's a pressure on your hands when 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:32.680 you work up on following material like did you how 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:33.920 did you feel afterwards? 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.440 Like I know exactly what you mean because I hear 0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:38.760 that on records when I listen to them, now, you 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.120 know what I mean? So like I heard I think 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:42.959 I heard drums album and I was like, oh, I 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.280 love how he doesn't care and it just seems so 0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:48.400 you know, like there's an intentional and it will never 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:49.000 happen again. 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:51.320 I was like, oh my. 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.200 God, this is so beautiful because it's so free, you 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:54.800 know what I mean, Like, oh, this is so free, 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:55.080 you know. 0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.640 But anyway myself, yeah, oh my god, you kidding me. Pressure. 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:02.520 Plus I was a girl. It was like a twenty 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.520 twenty one year old girl, like all of a sudden, 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.880 like what like I'm nominated for Grammy and like my 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.240 mom's sitting next to me, and were at the Grammys 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.080 and I went a grant like it was all surreal. 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.160 How'd you feel when they announced your name that night? 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:16.560 I think I was there that night when you won 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:17.360 Year Year. 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.680 Yeah, you were probably there, Yeah, back in the good 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.800 old days. I mean it was amazing. 0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:25.320 I was like, what you. 0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.440 Kind of I mean you expected to win. I mean 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.240 you were unstoppable. 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:31.800 I don't know, like it's still cool, like it's still 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.680 the funny thing that happens is afterwards. I remember I 0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.880 was living in it. I remember, actually exactly because I 0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.360 was living in LA for like a year. I remember 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.000 you invited me to a party one night and I 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.880 couldn't go, and I don't remember why. I couldn't convince 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:45.200 my friend to come out with me, and I didn't 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.600 go right my roommate, my friend. But around that time, 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.800 I remember starting to feel like, oh, I got a 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:56.400 deal with all the other ways I actually feel about 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:57.680 this business, you know what I mean. 0:30:58.120 --> 0:30:59.360 The starry eyes are gone. 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.440 I'm now wondering does it all come down to wearing 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.120 a pretty dress on the red carpet? And that really 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:06.800 messes with you when you're only twenty two. 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:08.320 This is before the second album. 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:09.480 Yeah, it was right when. 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.200 I was about a record when you're worrying that you 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.720 might become the establishment that you were. 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:18.080 Yeah, and that's why my first single on Folklore is 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:21.240 called Powerless where magically sign of the times. 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.200 I asked me to sing it tomorrow on the Today Show. 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:24.440 I was like, is this a typo? 0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:24.920 Do you think? 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:26.560 Ris right? 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:26.880 Like? 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:28.200 Do you know what I mean? Like people want to 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:32.120 hear songs like Powerless now, which was a kind of 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.560 like a protest song at the time. The first line says. 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:35.920 I mean, look at the times we're living in those 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:37.840 I know it's now, I think I know. 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:40.240 But it's amazing to me that music can live on 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.040 in that way and still inspire people. Because the first 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.920 line says, paint my face in your magazines, make it 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:49.240 look whiter than it seems. Paint me over with your dreams, 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.160 shove away my ethnicity because this life is too short 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.400 to live it just for you. But if you feel 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.280 when you feel so powerless, what are. 0:31:58.200 --> 0:31:58.719 You going to do? 0:31:58.760 --> 0:31:58.840 Oh? 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.520 Wait, I got to learn lyrics before tomorrow? Are you 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:02.680 yeah gonna do? 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:03.000 So? 0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:03.880 Say what you want? 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:04.840 But is that true now? 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:05.120 Like? 0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:08.200 Really at some point somebody because you're a part of 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.040 yeah sound, So somebody really came at you in a 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:12.320 label type that. 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.080 Way in photo shoots. Yeah, I felt like there was. 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:20.400 An how do I say anglizations anglicization, Yeah, anglicization on me. 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.400 I've always had olive skin, you know what I mean. 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.120 I was aware of that because I grew up in 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:25.880 a small town British colony. 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:27.160 I was like the only ethnic kid in. 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.400 My class in kindergarten, so it's all, you know, relative 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.360 and then I and so by the time I was 0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:35.280 done with my first record and I was doing Powerless, 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:36.880 I was like, well, what about who am I really? 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:37.560 You know what I mean? 0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:39.320 Like, what what am I really about? And what do 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:40.560 I want to say on this next record? So I 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.120 started talking about the next record. I have a song 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:44.880 called like Fresh off the Boat. You know, my parents 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.000 are immigrants. I was born in Canada. I have a 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:51.040 song called picture Perfect about my dad's like immigrant dream 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.400 of like coming to Canada and how everything looks so 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.360 good in the old seventies photographs when you look at it. 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.920 So anyway, yeah, that's that's what happened. Yeah, sometimes I 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.480 would feel, do you. 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:04.880 Like there was a paradigm you needed to fit into 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.160 At the time, I actually it didn't always match how 0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:09.080 I felt. 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:09.640 Do you know what I mean? 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:10.120 Yeah? 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:18.920 Yeah, I have a theory about folklore, which is, you 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:26.400 know how like Weezer fans will now swear by Pinkerton, right, 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:32.160 like that's their picketon. I actually think that your your 0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:35.440 folklore could be your Pinkerton moment. 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:42.320 Okay, because even though it again, you could. 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:47.000 Tell that you were older, wiser, sort of cynical eyes 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.520 even based on the album cover, because when I copped 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.320 the record, that's the first thing I noticed. I love 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:55.480 the fact that you've always kept your logo the same, right, 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:59.920 But based on the album cover even I was like, oh, Nelly, 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.880 it's serious here, like it's my tone, my face. 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:08.120 Right, So I got little Nevus in my belly too 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:09.560 a four months there. 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.279 But also I also know that, I mean, what we 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:17.440 also have in common is that, well both of us 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:18.960 got shipped to Geffen. 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:22.839 Oh my god, you were in that crazy well yeah, 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:26.520 because every are before well we were on m c A. 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.279 And when they announced in two thousand and three, like 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.759 you know, we're getting ready of the following eleven. 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:34.040 Labels, it was such a weird feeling. 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:40.879 We all got shipped and it was like the racial draft. 0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:41.160 Like why is a cooler company buying me? 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:45.520 It was the it was the racial draft of labels. 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:47.399 All the black ones, all the black art is pretty 0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:48.600 much went over to Geffen, right. 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.200 Yeah, but it was it was a weird process. Like 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:57.040 doctor dre told Ah, I mean doctor Drake kind of 0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:02.600 kind of you know told uh uh president of Interscope 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:03.760 to Jimmy. 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:06.000 Yeah. I told Jimmy like, Okay, here are the cool 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:10.040 artists and wow, what Yeah. 0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:12.759 He comes through, Oh because he picked you. But I'm 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.120 not you know what I'm saying, Like that's people who. 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:24.320 So I'm just saying that Unfortunately, a lot of notable 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:30.080 records got overlooked in the shift of getting to that moment. 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.800 So I mean, how did you How did you personally feel, 0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:39.000 uh when that album sort of got lost in translation 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.040 as far as the commercial. 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:43.480 It was kind of weird because like I felt like, 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:45.440 because I. 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.600 Was like kind of playing guitar more songs and kind 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.160 of being more I guess traditionally what you would see 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.080 like more like a rock aesthetic, I felt like it 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:56.799 wasn't accepted because people just wanted maybe that girl with 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.040 the pigtails and like, you know, like the fun ethnic 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.400 girl with whop dare bouncing around. It's like she was 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.000 so happy. Why is she mad? 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:04.759 Wait? 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.239 Because Giuso Freako came at what point in. 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.200 The early times? 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:09.400 Right? 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.560 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean? That's 0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.960 how I organically fell. Just to be completely honest with you, 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.800 I felt like, oh, I'm not allowed to be angry okay, 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.000 Like I'm not allowed to like speak sing my truth. 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.560 I'm not allowed to be more emo? Why you put it? 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:21.640 Like? 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.759 Why am I like you? It's that first feeling of like, 0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:25.000 oh shoot, I'm in a box. 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:26.400 Oh shoot, you never blamed it. 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:29.840 Yeah, I just kind of blame. 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.360 It on like just people and perceptions. 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.799 And luckily the album took off in some markets, thank god, 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:41.520 it really took off established in other markets. Yeah, Like 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:43.759 I think the song was number one in Canada and 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.560 like Germany and some other places. And I've really felt 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.399 the love on many levels, so it was okay. But yeah, 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:51.839 in the US, I was kind of like, oh, well, 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.000 I guess nobody wants to hear me singing about stuff 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.000 I don't like and biting the hand that feeds. 0:36:55.719 --> 0:37:00.600 Are aren't we America. It's just weird interesting. 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.360 I never really thought it was about the label folding. 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:07.120 Really, maybe I was wrong. Maybe it helps. 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.600 It helps A really good song Try could have maybe 0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:10.240 been on the radio. 0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.439 I don't know, but it helps to have I don't 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:17.680 know your label intact during the six or seven month it. 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:18.440 Would have helped a bit. 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.359 Yeah, probably because the same the same happened with Comic 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:28.239 Electric Circus, and then the transition happened because. 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.000 I was sitting here thinking of Electric Circus. 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.000 That might have been Actually when Nelly thought about like 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.320 Folklore was maybe a little bit of a the same thing. 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.760 She released it and then dream Works sort of imploded. 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.680 This was all happening simultaneously, but it's still a different project. 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:43.560 So it's kind of like you'll never really feel like, 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:45.840 you know, if it was a lefty type project and 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:47.960 you know, no, you bring up. 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:50.279 An important point because I think it's perception too, So 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.600 you as an artist, you start to believe the hype 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:56.560 of like that album wasn't as commercial and then you 0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:01.640 forget that wait a minute, label that other people to blame. 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.960 I because people will say the same thing about Electric Circus. 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:08.960 They won't remember that the. 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.600 Label folded, they'll be like, oh, it's just a weird album, but. 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.840 It wasn't right because they had it still had life 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:16.080 in Oh. 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.040 Yeah, I loved it. I mean but again, if for 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:19.640 common core fans, it might. 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:21.759 But then if wo Nellie never blew up, they could 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:23.600 have been like, well Nellie, her debut was a little 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.200 bit weird, so it never connected, you know what I'm 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.439 trying to say. It's weird how that worked. 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:29.480 But his second it. 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.560 Is always weird when it don't sell, that's you know, 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.520 it always get the weird title, you know, when it 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:35.000 don't sell. 0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:35.439 Yeah. 0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:41.200 Yeah, But the thing was I think Well Nelly was 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.520 I think the charm of will Nelly was the weirdness 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:43.920 of it. 0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.520 It was a weird record. But this one was more focused. 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.920 And yeah, it had more of a concept straight. 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.640 Head, which really leads to. 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.840 It was like an exploration of identity really. 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.800 But that leads to when Loose came out, pay Dirt. 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:01.440 What. 0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:13.799 Here's the thing something. My introduction to Loose though was 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.200 when you did S N L and. 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:19.120 Right and in like a brawl. 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:25.600 It was seriously, I always showed my midriff on tour. 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.799 You remember, I know you with Moby with like a 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:29.719 bikini top on. 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:30.160 You were. 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.800 You were like hippie Nelly, like that's what I was 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.000 used to. I seen it more than I've seen it 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:41.080 in shoes. So what was okay? 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:42.760 Did you feel I've never. 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.960 Seen your feet and high heels. I saw them in sneakers. 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:45.239 Yeah. 0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:49.800 Yeah, Sometimes you just walk around bears with your bare feedbackstage. 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.640 But with loose was it just all systems go and 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:55.399 let me just. 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:04.800 I had to you said the internet, that's what you typed? 0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:11.400 No I did, Oh my god, that's so funny. No, 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:13.759 but you're right. It's a far cry from like my 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.120 like moon boots and crazy. 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:17.640 Like raver pants the first time I did. 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:18.040 I don't know. 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:19.600 So why you. 0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.160 Mentioned why you mentioned that you you did work on 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.240 the Get your Freak on uh remix? 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.280 Was that full tomboy like, no, no. 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:28.640 No, but that was? 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:32.520 That was That was a crucial summit meeting between you 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:33.640 and the Timberland group. 0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:35.800 It was, And everybody forgot about it because they were like, 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:37.319 how did you meet Timbaland there. 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.040 Was actually didn't forget about it. There was actually guys. 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:39.719 You guys worked together. 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.440 The hip hop people, they know what's going on. 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:45.240 You guys, you worked with Timbling before before that remix 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:47.520 though right a remix, I can't remix. 0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:51.520 We did three things before Loose like we did on 0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.560 the radio and Turn Off Light remix. We toured together 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:55.440 on that tour. 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.879 We toured together. He was he came on the road 0:40:57.880 --> 0:40:59.920 with Miss Jade for at least six or seven. 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.719 Show I forgot about because I was on Tim j. 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.440 Yeah, I'm sorry. 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:11.960 So Jimmy Ivan actually told me to go work with 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:13.600 Timberland again, and he's. 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:14.800 Like, of course, why that. 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.160 Yeah, he was like, you know, you guys made a 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.120 promise with the work you've done together and you haven't 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:24.600 fulfilled on it. I think you should go to Miami. 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.200 Timberland's in a really great creative space right now. 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:28.560 And I was like sure. 0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:32.560 At that point, I had already worked with Pharrell, Scott Storge, 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:36.759 Nellie Hooper in England. I was just like enjoying my 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:42.560 record contract, flying around with my daughter recording recording with people. 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.480 So I was like, okay, sure. And so because she's 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.319 a toddler, you're not in school yet or anything and 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:50.839 just having fun. So we flew to Miami and worked 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:55.440 with tim first day Speaker caught Fire straight up. We 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.280 did man Eater and the speaker caught fire. 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:02.880 Yes, that's got to be a good sign, right, it 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:03.439 sounds bad. 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:07.440 Edi speakers caught on fire when Eddie van Halen did 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:11.160 his solo and yeah, notable hits have had burning speakers. 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:16.640 Michael Jackson's hair actually live on fire. 0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:18.360 Because the commercial was so hot, and. 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:24.240 Cameron was actually covered by fire on the Confessions of Fire. 0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:35.920 Is it Everyone? So? So? 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.439 And Eater was the first song you guys worked on. Yes, 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:41.000 what is the process. 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:41.840 Or was it glow? 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:45.319 You know when you like got your a game on 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:47.640 and you're like, I'm gonna pull out all the tricks. 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:48.240 In this first session. 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:53.320 You know, I'm gonna knock his socks off Timberland, timber 0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:57.279 Land and yeah. So I was all like, like, dorite 0:42:57.320 --> 0:43:00.799 his top with my vocals, like in this glow that's 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:02.719 on the record, And then we did man Eater that 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:03.200 same day. 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:07.759 Yeah, so what is he one of those? Is he 0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:08.319 one of those? 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:12.960 Is he one of those work from scratch producers or 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:13.680 is it like. 0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:15.120 You like from dance? 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:18.439 Yeah, work from dance. 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.839 So if he's dancing and he's hearing the beat and 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:24.080 his hand wants to do something different, like the body's 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.120 missing something. He'll add a sound so that he can 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:31.480 complete that physical, physical connection. 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:36.080 First, and then it's figure out what it's all vibe. 0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:37.440 It's all vibe. 0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:41.279 He's I don't know, he's just powerful. He has this 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.200 he has this connection. I don't know. 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.359 It's neat and him and I were weird, like when 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.440 we get together, we hardly see each other. I just 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.800 saw him because he invited me to come, like meet 0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:53.960 some kids he was mentoring on a show called The 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.080 Pop Game for HLN or something. 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.560 I think, I hope that's a network. But we get 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.399 together we like old people like we talk. We talk 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:06.239 about life, death, love, marriage, divorced. 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.120 We talk about big things. There's no small talk with Timberland. 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:14.440 Timberland doesn't do small talk, and right, you don't. Yeah, no, 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.040 tim doesn't do small talk. So it's the same approach 0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:17.439 to music. 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.359 There's no small talk. It's either good or it's over 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.160 and I don't care, you know what I mean. It's 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:22.800 either popping. 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.360 It's either I'm moving and I'm loving it or forgot 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.399 lost interest, you know, So you're constantly trying to get 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:29.920 his interest back when you're writing. 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:31.279 So it's like all right. 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.280 You did feel like you're like at the World Series. 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.480 And you gotta like, you know, you gotta knock it 0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:37.919 out of the park. 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:41.760 But if you're if you're building a song from scratch, yeah, 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:43.800 which I imagine. 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:45.839 He came up with the cadence the flow for man Eater. 0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:46.560 He was like. 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:52.960 About and roses at all was welcome to the Jungle. 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.520 And then I wrote the hook, and then he wrote 0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:00.320 the cadence for that, and then I I wrote the 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:02.800 lyrics okay, and then we had an amazing vocal producer 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.439 named Jim Beans in there, and he was just coming 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.239 up with really cool like harmonies and things like say 0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:08.600 it right. 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.120 Half the reason it's cool is because there's all those 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.480 little from about it, I can tell you. 0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.120 You know, like all those little like calling responses, right, 0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.160 That's what I think it takes it to the next level. 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.000 We were watching a Pink Foyd movie that day when 0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.320 we did say it right. I put an alien effect 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.520 on my voice to inspire myself, and then you're just 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:30.279 kind of like, mmm, you know, just started singing that 0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.160 and then uh yeah, him and I just kind of 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:34.799 just like. 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:36.919 Ping pong, you know, in that type. 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.640 But Nate Danjehans was in that session, like Nate Hills, 0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:43.320 who's an incredible programmer and producer. Yes, so, and that 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:46.440 was early days when they just started working together. This 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:50.120 is before right before they did justin Timberlake's album. We 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:51.440 had finished our album. 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:56.440 So okay, Well, in that type of collaboration process. 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:01.319 Where it's it's you and him Loan working and with 0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:07.040 danger as well, and you're kind of building this Jenga 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:12.960 game piece. Has there ever been a time where you 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.799 build something and the idea doesn't work? Like how do 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.640 you stingule? Or is it just everything you work on 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:25.480 adjust it until it works. Because usually, like in a 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:28.520 band scenario like if I'm if we're if me and 0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:32.560 the guys are playing a groove and maybe it could 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:34.600 stay out to forty five minutes, or I could clearly 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.600 see that the client isn't feeling this, then I'll just 0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.480 throw it away and then we'll start all over again. 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:47.640 But because of the intricacy of Timberland's production, you know, 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:52.000 does every song have to be take no prisoners? 0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:53.440 Like yeah, does it have to. 0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:56.959 Be finished to completion or do you have like five 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:59.040 songs that we worked on that didn't make the record 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.319 and you know, it is just sitting in. 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.759 The him and I had a really cool experience with 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:10.360 Loose because every single song we made was on the album. 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:12.920 That's what I wanted to know. Everything made it. It 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:13.839 was nothing left over. 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:19.840 Okay, there were two things that didn't end up getting completed. 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:24.239 One was a song I started with justin Timberlake and 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.560 it was called crowd Control, but that was late in 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:30.480 the game because I was almost done. And then there 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:34.000 was like a song that some other weird song. I 0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:36.080 just remember it feeling like a Shakira song. I don't 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:39.080 remember what it was, but it was like it just 0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:42.359 had that feel, but I did. We never finished it, 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:45.640 and then we just it just fell to the wayside, 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:51.120 you know. But it was very potent our time together 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:55.040 in that particular wave and we just finished all the 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.320 songs all in the same section of time. 0:47:58.160 --> 0:47:59.560 Now, did you feel. 0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:04.319 Nervous And it's like we couldn't make a bad song 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:05.280 at that time or something. 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:05.799 It was weird. 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:07.959 I mean, it's easy to be in the zone. 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:11.520 And at the time, I like kids met too, you know, 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:15.560 because like Chris Martin from Coldplay was in town, so 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.799 we invited him. I knew him Timblin did not know 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.240 him but admired him and was from a big Coldplay 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:24.759 wave at the time. I invited Chris In and he 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:26.440 wrote the hook All Good Things Come to an End 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:28.440 would end up being a huge hit around the world. 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:30.959 Really, uh huh okay, okay. 0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:33.360 So things like that happened too, Like it was just 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:36.040 a wave. It was just a moment were. 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:40.920 You at all worried about not the label, but in 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:46.799 terms of your original, everyone has their original. In my case, 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:49.439 it's almost like the barbershop theory. You know, I don't 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.000 know if you ever have the your barbershop thoughts, like 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:53.640 Tarik has barbershop thoughts. 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.200 This verse. I got to face the. 0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:59.560 Dudes in the barbershop when I do this verse, which 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:03.600 is like yeah, his his sounding his soundboy his which 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:07.480 could be an okay thing and sometimes can also be 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:08.200 a handicap. 0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:11.720 And I see it more as a handicap than anything. 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:13.480 What why is it a handicap for you? 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:14.680 Well? 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.960 I see it because it's a handicap because if your 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:22.280 initial say, if her crew of six has those thoughts 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.279 about if that's echoing in her head, like yo, don't 0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:27.719 make shit on the radio or keep it real or 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:31.120 what you know, whatever music fans be like, you know 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:32.719 the side I am ready for you? 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:35.920 Are you thinking? Yo? What is my. 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.000 Original crew back at home going to think when I 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:43.400 drop this record with Timberland, which has the potential to 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.399 sell gajillions, which it did. I mean, but it's also 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.919 a risk because it's such a one eighty from how 0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:53.040 you started, Like, were you worried at all? 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.600 I was really just kind of would loose? I just 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:58.680 kind of well two things. I came up with the 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.840 title loose about two years before I got in a 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:05.080 studio with Timlin. I wanted to make a more broad 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:09.760 project because I found that my early material didn't translate 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.840 well to larger arena festival shows because of the sounds. 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.920 So I really dreamed of playing arenas with a broader 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:19.680 sounding album. 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:21.400 So I wanted to also prove. 0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:23.160 To myself that I could make a big, shiny pop 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.719 album like any other pop star. And I just set 0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.960 myself to that challenge because I'm real challenge motivated. So 0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:31.480 I just set that goal for myself. 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:33.200 I was like, I want to make something huge. 0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:35.360 I admire that shit because. 0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:37.120 To see if I can do it, you know. 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.440 I admire it because I know that most people, especially 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:44.840 that are hip hop based, are so again, so at 0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:48.520 least my generation was so keep it real and anti. 0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:50.560 Pop that well, then I knew I could do it 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:51.680 in a way that I still loved. 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:56.200 Right, But I'm saying that I think it's actually. 0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:00.520 I think it's I think pop is is noble, which 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.279 I know it's weird to say. I'm not saying that. 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:05.440 You know, I'm the world's biggest tailors with fan, but 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:09.839 I kind of, you know, I respect her steez, it's 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:11.640 like kind of like a fifty million of his fans 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:12.759 can't be wrong with anything. 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:17.000 Not even that, not even that. No, no, no, no, not 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:17.400 even that. 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:20.040 It's just that I feel like with pop music, it's 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:21.800 hard to write a song that millions and millions and 0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:23.719 millions of people all feel is great. 0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:25.440 At the same time, I think it's harder to. 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:27.440 Like. 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:30.239 Okay, some of the producers that we've interviewed on the 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:33.400 show have made some of their best work with limited materials. 0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.240 Oh hell yeah, and then or even with. 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.480 Like prints or whatever. Like, when you have limited materials, 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:40.960 you're your most creative, But when you're giving the world 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:45.359 then suddenly like results here, if he's best I think 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.640 it's harder to write simple pop songs. 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:51.560 I agree, I agree. 0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:55.040 If again, I always say, like for Nazi's Water, like 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:58.160 eleven minutes, I had the whole diagram out. Okay, so 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:01.000 minute number seven, we're gonna go, you know, free jazz here, 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:02.680 and then we're going to pans left and right and 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:04.880 do all this crazy ship. I could do ship like 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:10.200 that my sleep. I could never do a three minutes. 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.480 It's like you could just throw colors up against the 0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:16.520 canvas and call the ship abstract. But it's harder to 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:17.920 draw a perfect circle. 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.160 You know what I mean, A pop on by accident. 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:23.759 No, but there's a there's a beauty of the simplicity. 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:25.839 It's all math. 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:29.160 I think it's hard to ship. It's hard to be disciplined. 0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:33.760 It's hard to be disciplined. It's hard to bullseye something 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.000 that can can translate to millions. 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.760 But I will I willn't want you. 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:41.399 I was just saying. 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:43.839 I do think once you find out what that formula is, 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:48.759 it's easy to replicate it though, like if you, but 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:49.920 the hard thing is finding it. 0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:51.520 You know what I'm saying, and cared about it because 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:52.840 you know it, but you just don't feel like doing it. 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:54.759 Sometimes that is true. 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:57.799 I think that's the time you always give us a 0:52:57.800 --> 0:52:59.640 girl record. On the Roots album, we talked about like 0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:00.920 you but no. 0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:05.360 But that's the thing though, I think the misperception, especially 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:07.680 with the Roots, is that, oh, you guys are artists. 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.040 You don't want to sell, you don't want to get radio. 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:13.840 I don't know how to do it. 0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:15.440 But you knew Water was not going to be a 0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:17.000 pop record. No. 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:17.440 I know. 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.879 I know how to do what I do well, which 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:24.600 is the opposite. But until I became a DJ in 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:28.080 the last five years and really understand what people respond to, 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:30.840 now I know what the answer is. 0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:34.200 I still don't know if I know. No, I don't 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:34.480 know how. 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:38.000 To execute it. But I'm just saying that I know 0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.960 what the answer is now. Back then, I thought, hey, 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:42.560 just put a girl on the hook, then it will 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:45.840 be a hit. No, man, so much more. 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:47.440 Than there's so much of its image, and I think 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:49.839 and like lifestyle because I mean, it's not really you're 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:52.280 selling the music like you're selling the lifestyle. You're selling 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.000 you know, it's like some kind of colder personality shit, you. 0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:55.399 Know what I mean. 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:57.279 So it's like, oh, it's way different now, yeah, you 0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:58.640 gotta be a personality. 0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:00.920 Four your even talented. 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.600 So it's yeah, because like I could make a future record, 0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:05.479 but like I'm a dad of two. 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.680 I mean not the futures, but he's the dad of six. 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:12.719 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, who's gonna believe that? 0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:14.600 Shit's like, no, motherfucker. 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:16.719 Well let me ask, because by that time you had 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:20.319 a daughter, Like, yeah, I did change you. 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:22.680 Yeah, a few things, like I feel like, okay, So 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.200 my inspiration for Luis was definitely like I look to 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:29.440 albums like Madonna Ray of Light, right, it was pop, 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:33.040 but it had so much artistry and direction, and it 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:37.839 had a sheen and a kind of mystery too to it, 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:38.360 I thought. 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:42.640 And then Janet Jackson's album when she came out as Janet, 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:46.960 when she had the photo with someone holding her one behind. 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:50.319 I was so inspired by that album as a I 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:52.799 guess fourteen fifteen year old. My friends and I they 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.279 called us the Janets, who all had very curly, long hair, 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.240 and I really wanted Loose to be like my Janet album. 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:06.320 I did, and it was yeah, my version right, vanilla 0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:11.040 version and yeah, and so with Promiscuous, I had trepidations. 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:13.239 I was like, wow, I've never sang a song like 0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:13.800 this before. 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.680 But well, I'll say you sold it well because when 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:25.040 I saw SNL, I was like, whoa, I I hardly 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:26.480 knew you. 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:28.520 Yeah, you must have been like that because you had 0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:30.799 known me like real early days. 0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:30.880 You know. 0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.080 Yeah, and no, it's not even criticism. I was like, 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:34.640 oh shit, I'm with this. 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:37.640 But it came for my heart because I always I 0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:40.160 did grow up in R and B and hip hop music, 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:42.839 so for me, it was very natural to sing that way. 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:45.720 It was very natural to sing that type of music. 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:47.319 You know, it was in my heart. So I just 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:49.319 you know what I really think it is. I think 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:53.200 my musical vocabulary is large, so that's why I can't. 0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:55.320 I don't fit into a box. And every album is 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:57.759 different because I just I didn't like to speak the 0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.640 language in different ways, the music music language. You know, 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.479 when you grow up playing instruments, you play the black 0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:05.319 notes on a page, like there's no genre. You know, 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.680 it should be a democratic thing. I think music, you. 0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:09.200 Know, do you feel freedom in that because you know, 0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:11.520 a lot of artists don't really have that at the 0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:13.160 end of it, like some people would want to do 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.719 other things. But I feel like what you you can 0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:18.040 do so many things because you're not in a box. 0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:20.680 But do you feel that privilege in that way? 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.279 I guess so, because I don't know how to do 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:24.719 it any other way, Like I don't know how to 0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:26.480 adhere to a genre. I don't know what that is. 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:28.160 I don't I don't know what that is. 0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:28.799 You know what I mean? 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:30.560 Or if I did know, I would get bored after 0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:32.960 doing it once. I get so bored, I get bored. 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.239 It's pretty much, that's all it is. I'm just very 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:38.759 curious person. I'm just led by my curiosity, and if 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:40.839 I can be interested in something, then I'll do it, 0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:43.480 you know. But if I have no interest, I just can't. 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:44.399 I just can't do it. 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:45.360 Well. 0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:49.520 The success of Loose was really impressed in it, Like 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:54.560 did you expect, especially coming off of Folklore, was just like, 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:56.399 let me throw the spaghetti on the wall and see 0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:56.800 what happens. 0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:57.720 There's nothing to lose. 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:02.760 Yeah, But then sudden it's like, I mean, twelve million 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:03.680 is done in the sky fit. 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:05.680 Yeah, it was crazy. 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:11.080 So at the height of the madness of you surpassing 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:15.680 even your debut record, I mean, what was what was 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:19.240 it like? Suddenly like especially when you having to be 0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:21.840 an artist, having to be a mommy, ye, having to 0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:25.400 be a songwriter at like wearing all these hats. 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:29.560 Where does that? You know? What does ten million feel like? 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:30.840 At the height of the madness? 0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:31.960 It was exhausting. 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:34.920 I was so tired because I was traveling with my 0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:36.200 daughter around the world. 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:41.560 I took for two years, right, two years. 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.800 Yeah, Like I toured like I was making the record 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.680 when I made Loose, she had she was almost two. 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:50.360 Who were you on tour with at the time or 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.680 who were well, okay, so I made the record. Then 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:54.320 it was like, I guess she was three when I 0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:55.800 brought her on the road, because by the time we 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:58.400 went on the road, I was just like three, three years, 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:00.000 four years old anyway, So I was really tired. 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:00.959 I was on the road. 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:02.760 It was amazing because I got to play these arena 0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:05.040 shows that I dreamed of. Right, it was like, ooh, 0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:08.280 these songs sound great in an arena. This is cool, 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.000 and I'll fit in all the old songs too, and 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:15.520 it was like really fun. But yeah, it's a lot 0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:17.160 of pressure because this is okay, this is what I 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.560 will tell you. And I sympathize when I see pop 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:22.640 stars with these huge careers because I know what they're 0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:25.760 really thinking, and what they're really thinking is, wow, I 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.560 had two number ones. Why was my third single not 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:32.200 number one? I feel like a failure. I have an 0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:37.440 arena tour. Why isn't Hamburg sold out? I have a 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:40.240 sold out arena tour. Why didn't we sell out Hamburg 0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:40.800 and Munich? 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:42.480 So you're one of the people that if one hundred 0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:45.320 people love if ninety nine people in the room love you, 0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:47.520 you only care about the one that's like indifferent. 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:50.480 It's the nature of the business because all business models 0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:54.680 are based on growth in Yeah, So that's the problem 0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:56.840 with the music business is because you can never stay 0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.640 on top. So it's like you're on top and all 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:01.960 your worsorried about and every single person who's number one 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.760 right now, all they're worried about is is this album 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:06.160 gonna hit? Is this gonna hit? 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:06.240 Like? 0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:07.240 Am I gonna like? 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:07.680 That? 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:10.200 Never goes away? Like I was at a sting concert 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:13.520 and like somewhere strange like Latvia ended up there because 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:15.320 I had a show and he saw me. Was he 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:17.680 going to his car and goes, oh, thank god, I 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:19.600 didn't know you were here. I would have been so nervous, 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:23.560 and I'm thinking you're saying it's never good enough for 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:28.400 these habitative artists. If you're still that nerd who like 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:31.680 nobody likes me, you do it's not crazy, it's so weird, 0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:34.240 or you're worried that you don't have credibility, or you're 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:36.840 worried so that the Peanut Gallery doesn't like you anymore, 0:59:36.880 --> 0:59:39.240 because it's like you know what I'm saying, like you're 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:42.600 it's always somebody to prove something to. It's never there 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:44.760 is no yellow bricks people to keep me in line. 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:50.320 Yeah, no that's why. But no, no, no, that that happens 0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:52.720 a lot. Like you'll you'll find out that you do 0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:57.600 your best shows ever in obscure towns that you know, 0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:00.240 industry people weren't watching you totally. Like have you ever 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:03.760 had a really really good LA show, really good New 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:04.439 York show? 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:08.880 A handful, you know, Columbia. 1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:09.320 It's like. 1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:13.400 With us, I can remember maybe one. 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:15.560 You know, yeah, it's it's always a fail. 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:23.480 But yet you know, Montana the best show ever because yeah, 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:26.880 I mean there's no pressure of of of. 1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:29.000 People watching you. 1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:31.120 You know, the people there are actually want to be there, 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:33.080 they're trying to be seen waits. 1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:35.640 The other thing, when you have radio singles, you think 1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:37.880 people are just there to be cool, and they're just 1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:39.600 there because your thing is the cool. 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:40.240 Thing to do that night. 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:43.080 It's very different than when you have an album that's 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:45.600 less successful and you know everybody who's there they actually 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:49.280 want to be there, not because the radio had commercial. 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:52.680 Your friend invited you. You like my outfit in the video. 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.600 You know what I'm saying, because it's real stuff. It's 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:56.840 real stuff you think about. 1:00:57.360 --> 1:00:59.720 So okay, so how do you have you think? 1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:01.480 I'm don't what is she? 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:03.680 Because I'm on I was on the other side of 1:01:03.760 --> 1:01:05.960 radio for the last years, so I'm just really thinking 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:06.840 about it in an artist way. 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:07.840 I never thought about that, like. 1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:11.160 It's true everything it makes perfect okay, cool, Okay. 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:13.960 I think you're crazy. 1:01:12.760 --> 1:01:19.680 If you try to workshop, that would be good. 1:01:19.960 --> 1:01:22.600 You would fit writing at the songwriting workshop. I want 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:31.160 to see one of these Montana Root shows. What anyway? No, 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:33.560 so with with uh? 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:38.000 But that's so self defeating. It's a horrible attitude to 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:41.200 be like they're only here because because they're they're following 1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:41.720 a wave. 1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:44.880 That't mean I don't think that happens though you don't 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:46.640 come out the house just because your outfit was keeping 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:48.080 it in the video you come out the house at 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:48.640 least out like. 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:51.400 One to two songs like it totally happens. It does, 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:54.200 it does, and the thing is Okay. 1:01:54.200 --> 1:01:55.600 An obscure way to look at it. 1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:58.960 But if your breakout, if your true breakout arena album 1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:01.400 is your third record, and you know you had some 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:03.960 heat on the first, like how do you if you 1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:05.680 have a lot of broth and. 1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:07.040 Very little chicken? 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:13.680 Yeah meat, did you ever have moments where you're like, okay, 1:02:13.720 --> 1:02:20.919 well yeah, a lot of strange uh now yeah right, 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:23.960 so good on the radio broth. 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:26.040 Yeah. But I'm just saying that. 1:02:27.760 --> 1:02:31.280 If you're there because you know, a particular fan is 1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:33.120 really there for permit, like oh, they're going to come 1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:38.000 in line when I start whatever, then it's like how 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:38.880 do you pace your show? 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:39.120 Then? 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:41.400 Like okay, well you want to get the die hards 1:02:41.440 --> 1:02:42.160 and the news. 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:43.840 It's hard. You know what I used to do on 1:02:43.880 --> 1:02:46.600 the Looster, I'd play parties just begun this track from 1:02:46.600 --> 1:02:48.720 my first album, it's like that he's just big gun 1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:50.800 and I do this whole like you know, yeah, like 1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:53.360 this like Dodgy, did I do this whole? Like vocal 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:56.120 percussion thing, and that kind of got my jolly's off 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:58.080 in that song. Like I was like, Okay, I'm being 1:02:58.520 --> 1:03:01.120 artistic in this song, and any of my old fans 1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:01.959 might know this one. 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:03.200 And I enjoyed all that. 1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:05.280 I love playing that role. I love putting on the 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:08.600 fancy ball gown and singing show time like it was fun, 1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:12.320 but it was fun times. I enjoy it all. It's 1:03:12.360 --> 1:03:14.720 fun learning a new skill. It's fun learning how to 1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:16.760 act on stage and do choreography. 1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:17.800 And that was cool. 1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:18.400 I liked it. 1:03:23.200 --> 1:03:25.880 Wait a minute, Oh, wait a minute, Wait a minute. Okay, 1:03:26.040 --> 1:03:29.520 I'm sorry. I just had a moment. I just had 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:33.240 a moment that I totally forgot about. Okay, damn, I 1:03:33.240 --> 1:03:36.480 feel like I'm about to have a Liya moment. Okay. 1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:41.360 And I'm also going to mirror it up because I 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:44.240 gotta be sort of ambiguous with the question. 1:03:45.000 --> 1:03:47.200 I love these because I don't want to be. 1:03:47.240 --> 1:03:50.240 He's still disclaiming, yeah, there's a lot of yeah. 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:52.840 I can be more preface than it is. Yea question, 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:54.680 we understand. This is the safe. 1:03:57.920 --> 1:04:00.160 Okay, did you really hit TLC? No, I'm playing, I'm 1:04:00.200 --> 1:04:07.600 playing playing. That was as your question whoa, Okay, I 1:04:07.640 --> 1:04:10.880 have a question about give it to me? 1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:16.160 Okay, yeah, yeah, Now we know. 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:21.480 Who Timberland was busting shots at the purple guy that 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:24.920 was that was Justin. That was oh Justin Oh and 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.200 tim Old Timberland particularly yea, that was a. 1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:31.320 Scott st and we know that Justin was. 1:04:31.880 --> 1:04:34.960 Okay, you're just laying all the team because because people listen, 1:04:35.040 --> 1:04:37.480 they don't know all the Give it to Me was 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:38.520 just just don't. 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:42.760 Established this show as a common denominator. 1:04:42.400 --> 1:04:47.320 All right, But everybody asked listener context. So Justin was 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:49.680 talking about Prince Timberland, was this Scott Storage. 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:53.800 Can I ask you a questions? Can I ask you 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:56.280 a question? And we don't have to mention the name. 1:04:58.080 --> 1:05:03.200 A disclaimer, no, my disclaimers. Let me just say it 1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:03.880 was like at the. 1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:07.240 End of the movie, it's like the thoughts and feelings 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:10.800 of the artists not reflect the artists because like I, 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:14.960 nobody we recorded the verses separately. I was there to 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:18.680 help write the hook, right, and I wrote my verse, 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:21.280 but I was not present when Justin recorded his verse, 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:22.960 and I was not present when Timberland recorded his. 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:29.680 Wait, that's not that first question. My question is just yes, 1:05:29.800 --> 1:05:35.480 or no, yeah, were you bucking a shot at someone. 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:39.560 In your verse? I was okay, no, I'm not even 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:42.200 gonna go. I'm also here's the thing, though. 1:05:42.640 --> 1:05:44.920 Though I was egged on in the studio and I 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:47.760 want the name names, it wasn't necessarily timbling. 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:50.560 Secondly, yeah, yeah. 1:05:51.600 --> 1:05:54.280 Secondly, I told you here's. 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:55.480 The bad story because we made up. 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:59.320 We've made up because there's but I was honest with 1:05:59.320 --> 1:06:00.760 her about it when she I was hired. 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:04.120 I was hired by that person to do their birthday party. 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:06.920 Oh and I didn't know nothing about this. 1:06:07.320 --> 1:06:08.040 Played the record? 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:08.640 Who is it? 1:06:09.480 --> 1:06:11.520 Dude? Did I play the record? I don't know who 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:12.080 it is? Who? 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:12.880 Twice? 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:16.000 No, he's given us context clues. 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:19.240 This is like how many years ago was it? Like? 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:23.120 No, no, no status of limitations. I'm establishing a precedence 1:06:23.160 --> 1:06:26.800 of the show that I'm not. I'm not throwing people 1:06:26.880 --> 1:06:29.920 under the bus. 1:06:30.160 --> 1:06:30.720 The history. 1:06:30.800 --> 1:06:32.800 I will tell you off air, I will tell you. 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:36.280 I'm sorry. This is where I got a quest of 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:40.000 supreme moment. I got set the press. Anyway, I was 1:06:40.080 --> 1:06:43.440 hired by this particular person to do their birthday party, 1:06:43.760 --> 1:06:45.840 not knowing the history of the song. 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:48.800 And this is just when the ship came out. 1:06:49.960 --> 1:06:54.360 So this was like usually my first five records, two 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:56.280 thirds records is going to be the song of the moment. 1:06:57.200 --> 1:07:00.200 And I played this ship and god damn, the whole 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:03.840 party just looked at me and ran up to me 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:08.800 like are you crazy? And I was like huh. And 1:07:08.840 --> 1:07:15.000 then finally the person came to me and someone explains. 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:18.240 Someone explained to me, and then I was. 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:21.920 I just just silently took the record off and put 1:07:21.960 --> 1:07:22.680 Billy Gene on. 1:07:22.960 --> 1:07:23.640 We made up. 1:07:23.640 --> 1:07:27.360 We made up at Princess Diana's memorial show at Wembley 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:29.760 Arena in London, England. 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:32.040 That it was a beautiful moment. 1:07:32.760 --> 1:07:38.160 I'm glad right now, I'm thinking about the man. 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:38.919 Making a this song. 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:46.000 Ever, it's bad karma, Bad Karma came back. Yeah, it's 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:47.600 bad karma, bad karma. 1:07:47.760 --> 1:07:49.160 Wait, what do you mean it came back? 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:51.360 Well, it was a number one song, so at first 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:54.960 you're like kid, you know, and it was fine, you know, 1:07:55.120 --> 1:07:57.040 like the hook, you know this that's just like the 1:07:57.080 --> 1:07:58.600 little things we said in our verses. 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:00.320 But like we didn't need to do that. 1:08:00.480 --> 1:08:02.480 We could have probably done it without it being like that, 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:04.480 Like that was just a subplot and you didn't even 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:07.320 know about it when you played it at the show, and. 1:08:07.320 --> 1:08:12.320 I regret it. I don't think i've touched nextivity fading out. 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:17.040 It's never a good thing, but you know, it was 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:19.680 a good experience. It was a good experience, and I 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:22.880 was I was, I guess, as honorable as one could 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:24.840 be doing that type of thing. Like she asked me 1:08:24.840 --> 1:08:27.400 about it to my face at an event, and I 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:29.439 actually said, yes, it is, and. 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:32.160 This is why you're so polite though I wouldn't know. 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:41.439 I say, that's awfully considered of you. 1:08:41.520 --> 1:08:44.000 And she didn't agree, and she didn't agree with what 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:44.639 I said. 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:49.280 With the lyrics if you don't know, but it was fine. 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:52.720 We kind of worked it out, like. 1:08:53.360 --> 1:08:53.920 I think we can talk. 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:04.880 Have you ever publicly talked about this, not really detailed? No, Actually, 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:21.479 oh my god. 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:16.000 I'm not going to be on my own show. 1:09:17.960 --> 1:09:20.000 We're not. We're talking about history. 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:22.880 If I bring up the Holocaust and it's only. 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:31.840 The womanly thing that was interested that you admitted that 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:32.920 it was your fault. 1:09:34.120 --> 1:09:36.360 No, well, I think so there was no real reason 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:38.000 for me to just go for the writer. 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:38.160 And do that. 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:42.000 It's like it would she was continuing. 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:43.439 My creativity is all it was. 1:09:43.479 --> 1:09:45.520 But it was like as if I need my creativity 1:09:45.600 --> 1:09:47.800 or that's how I saw it, and I might have 1:09:47.840 --> 1:09:50.240 been wrong about the things I was kind of thought 1:09:50.760 --> 1:09:54.000 the things that motivated it, and she kind of also 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.120 like explained that, and and it was still kind of 1:09:56.120 --> 1:09:58.200 heated at that moment, but we made up, which was 1:09:58.240 --> 1:09:59.240 so beautiful. 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:00.280 Yeah, we made up. 1:10:00.360 --> 1:10:03.439 Let's move on a listeners. 1:10:03.040 --> 1:10:05.320 Know if we can, if we can talk the listeners Google, 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:07.679 if we are listeners, we can talk to Prodigy about 1:10:07.720 --> 1:10:11.120 the jay z Beef, how about all of it, because 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:13.120 the world knows there was a prodigy Jayson. 1:10:13.160 --> 1:10:15.160 I'm gonna tell you I googled Nelly for childle Beef 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:17.120 and her name was came up immediately. 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:19.160 Listeners, do that. 1:10:19.640 --> 1:10:21.679 I just don't want to say I went down beef 1:10:21.760 --> 1:10:26.120 lane again. You know, I learned my lesson. 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:29.320 You've been down beef lane. I just want to talk 1:10:29.320 --> 1:10:32.000 about the Holocaust. 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:39.120 The Holocaust question why that was a man unnamed dictator. 1:10:42.320 --> 1:10:44.840 A little mustache. Yeah, we don't want to say his 1:10:45.040 --> 1:10:47.000 name because you know, we don't want to ruffle Lady 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:49.040 feathers or bring up you know. 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:54.000 Google it, but Google, just compare that. 1:10:54.280 --> 1:10:57.240 I'm taking my show back, dammit, Nell? 1:10:57.400 --> 1:11:00.439 Did this originate from you watching some old Wild Orchid videos? Wow? 1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:02.639 No, okay, I liked it. 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:03.679 I liked Wild Orches. 1:11:03.960 --> 1:11:06.080 Okay, can we stop pretty? 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:10.080 Oh my god, I really regret. Move on, Move on, please, Hitler, 1:11:13.120 --> 1:11:16.320 this is so funny. Can we please? 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:17.799 Yes? 1:11:18.200 --> 1:11:20.799 I feel like you're the most proudest of this record. 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:25.519 I love that record well because it's hard to like 1:11:25.720 --> 1:11:28.680 sing like properly in another language. I mean, when I 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:33.280 was little, I learned Portuguese. First Spanish came easily by 1:11:33.320 --> 1:11:35.200 like grade nine. I guess I was fourteen when I 1:11:35.200 --> 1:11:37.639 started to learn Spanish. When I came out with Wonelly, 1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:40.160 this amazing artist from Columbia named Juans invited me to 1:11:40.200 --> 1:11:43.240 sing on this song that became an international hit called Photographia. 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:46.720 So it was a big song, big duet, and uh. 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:48.519 After that, I just kind of got embraced by like 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:51.400 the Latin community, and so I decided to do a 1:11:51.439 --> 1:11:52.519 full album in Spanish. 1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:53.400 But I did it, did it. 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:55.760 It wasn't translations. It was like I had had the 1:11:55.760 --> 1:11:58.400 opportunity to do like a translations album of loose, but 1:11:58.560 --> 1:11:59.479 I wasn't feeling it. 1:11:59.720 --> 1:12:00.760 So I waited till I. 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:02.400 Could do it right. I hooked up with a great 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:05.720 co writer named Alex Cuba who's based in Toronto, and 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:08.320 we started a Spanish album in the snow in Toronto, 1:12:08.920 --> 1:12:11.679 and it ended up way bigger than I ever thought 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:15.439 because all these artists really just joined on to the 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:18.280 you know, onto the project and it featured seven or 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:21.040 eight really great collaborations and. 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:25.559 My favorite Salon Salam I love Salon. 1:12:26.600 --> 1:12:27.719 Do you guys ever get together? 1:12:27.760 --> 1:12:27.960 Here? 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:33.519 He is currently working on the never Ending Roots album 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:34.240 that you know. 1:12:34.520 --> 1:12:37.200 I didn't know that he's on the project with you. 1:12:37.439 --> 1:12:40.320 That's where Yeah, I love that guy. 1:12:40.680 --> 1:12:43.080 I loved them so much, even like he embraced the 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:45.559 opportunity to do Spanish records, you know, so we worked 1:12:45.600 --> 1:12:45.840 on that. 1:12:46.240 --> 1:12:48.920 Why not Portuguese? Just curious because that's your first. 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:53.759 I know, see, there's me again doing idiosynocratic right. Everybody 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:54.320 asks me. 1:12:54.280 --> 1:12:56.360 That, They're like, why why not Portuguese? 1:12:56.360 --> 1:12:58.120 And I'm just like, I don't know. I started. I 1:12:58.160 --> 1:13:01.920 like Latin pop market and if I did Portuguese would 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:05.520 probably be more BOUTIQUI like foto. 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:08.080 Music or something, because they don't get nominated for Latin Grammys. 1:13:08.120 --> 1:13:09.040 And does that anything they do. 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:12.839 Actually to make matters more confusing. So like Laudapusy needs Italian. 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:15.680 She's won a Latin Grammy. Catanavoso is Brazilia and he's 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:18.519 won a Latin Grammy. It's kind of broad the whole genre. 1:13:18.640 --> 1:13:19.080 But like. 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:24.960 Portuguese is Hispanic on the US census form, very confusing, 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:31.160 very confusing, very confusing. And so I decided to sing 1:13:31.200 --> 1:13:34.479 a Latin pop album kind of like a very inspired 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:36.360 by like rock and Espanol stuff like that. 1:13:36.400 --> 1:13:36.519 You know. 1:13:36.600 --> 1:13:39.000 Juliet To Venegas, she co wrote a couple of tracks. 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:42.360 She's a Mexican artist. Had a rapper named Mala la 1:13:42.360 --> 1:13:43.080 Malaro Diriga. 1:13:43.160 --> 1:13:43.759 She's from Spain. 1:13:44.240 --> 1:13:46.240 I had like a proper Mexican run cheryld singer ale 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:52.040 Jhandro Fernandez Flamenco. I really went there with it. I 1:13:52.080 --> 1:13:54.719 had fun with it, and I collaborated a lot, and honestly, 1:13:54.800 --> 1:13:57.080 the Latin world, the Latin world of music is far 1:13:57.240 --> 1:14:00.920 larger than I ever imagined, and it was welcoming. I 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:03.360 felt a sense of community that I really really, really. 1:14:03.240 --> 1:14:04.479 Really I was about to say, did you go to 1:14:04.520 --> 1:14:07.800 the Latin Grammys, and like, how did you feel in 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:08.760 that community? 1:14:09.400 --> 1:14:11.639 Amazing really yeah I did. 1:14:11.920 --> 1:14:13.040 Yeah, I felt. 1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:17.040 I don't know, it was I all felt humbled by 1:14:17.040 --> 1:14:19.320 it too, right, because yeah, here I am this English 1:14:19.400 --> 1:14:21.799 singer and then I decided to make a Spanish album 1:14:21.800 --> 1:14:24.360 and it gets embraced. So it was like, wow, I 1:14:24.400 --> 1:14:27.439 feel very lucky. But I also feel indebted to the 1:14:27.520 --> 1:14:30.639 artists have collaborated with, like oness Right, it takes people 1:14:30.640 --> 1:14:33.599 to kind of bring you in, right, like with any genre, right, yeah, 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:34.080 you need. 1:14:33.960 --> 1:14:41.840 Somebody to vouch for you spante. He's like, right, not 1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:49.120 not right now, mother, I arrive with a squad in 1:14:49.200 --> 1:14:50.519 good times in bad time. 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:55.759 Sing this song. 1:14:57.040 --> 1:15:00.360 Josh Grobin's on my Spanish album, so he like, I 1:15:00.400 --> 1:15:02.759 want to sing in Spanish and I was like great, 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:06.080 I sent him the song and well no, I invited 1:15:06.160 --> 1:15:07.439 him and he said, oh, that would be a good 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:10.840 opportunity and he's sang. So it was both of us 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:12.719 like singing the Spanish song together. 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.040 But YO, forgive me for asking this question because I'm 1:15:15.120 --> 1:15:16.880 about to go listen to that album but I haven't 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:20.080 are there Yeah, is there are there any like samba 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:22.480 s Boston Nova type influence? 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:25.560 I really going the samba? 1:15:25.640 --> 1:15:34.839 Sorry, yeah, not really. 1:15:35.000 --> 1:15:37.320 The closest thing. There's a Flamenco song there's like a 1:15:37.360 --> 1:15:41.040 real like like a Salam did that track. That's my favorite. 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:45.479 I think that's by the best track. It's called Strong 1:15:47.160 --> 1:15:51.120 and Concha is this amazing Flamenco singer with this really throaty, 1:15:51.240 --> 1:15:55.240 powerful voice. She's uh, she's amazing. 1:15:55.960 --> 1:16:00.120 Wait. Salam also worked on the next Joe to a Spirit. 1:15:59.840 --> 1:16:03.160 In Salam and I did a song called Something which 1:16:03.560 --> 1:16:08.240 features nos and Uh. Another track that Salam did on 1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:12.120 Spirit was Oh, he did more than one that ended 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:15.920 up on the record. He did some B sides too, 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:21.799 and did a lot together Rodney Jerkins. 1:16:22.280 --> 1:16:25.519 Yeah, dark Child, let me. 1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:29.280 Tell you what was dark amazing. I'll tell you what 1:16:29.320 --> 1:16:30.040 he does. You want to know? 1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:32.200 And how many Michael Jackson stories did you get to hear? 1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:35.200 This is what he's like when you write with him. 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:37.880 So he'll sit behind the keyboard and he looks at 1:16:37.920 --> 1:16:39.200 you when he's writing, so he'll be like. 1:16:41.600 --> 1:16:44.560 It'll be really he's like a doctor. 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:47.920 And he's like he's moving and he's looking in your 1:16:47.920 --> 1:16:51.439 eyes while he's writing. And I loved working with Rodney. Actually, 1:16:51.520 --> 1:16:53.160 Rodney is a very good vocal arranger. 1:16:53.920 --> 1:16:54.559 As we all know. 1:16:54.680 --> 1:16:58.000 He produced say my Name. He produced the Boy is 1:16:58.040 --> 1:17:01.120 Mine like Hello, and it wasn't until I was in 1:17:01.120 --> 1:17:03.280 a studio. I walked around and I had this crazy 1:17:03.280 --> 1:17:05.360 moment where I realized he had produced all my favorite 1:17:05.439 --> 1:17:08.439 nineties R and B records, and that's why we did 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:10.400 the song big Hoops and we referenced all my favorite 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:14.000 nineties artists on that song. Because I don't know, I 1:17:14.000 --> 1:17:16.479 guess I was in that energy. It was the last 1:17:16.479 --> 1:17:19.600 record I made with Innerscope, and I actually I don't know. 1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:21.800 There was a bit of pressure to make something big 1:17:21.840 --> 1:17:24.639 and bouncy again because it was my next English project 1:17:24.640 --> 1:17:27.439 after Loose, But I was just having fun. Like Rodney 1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:30.040 and I had a genuine connection. We had genuine connection 1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:35.200 and vibe together. I did enjoy making that album. 1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:39.240 As well, which leads us to the right now. The 1:17:39.280 --> 1:17:44.160 thing is when I saw the cover. When I saw 1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:47.479 the cover to the Ride, I was like, why did 1:17:47.479 --> 1:17:51.519 you drop your logo? Who designed your logo? I'm a 1:17:51.560 --> 1:17:52.879 font nerd by the way. 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:53.479 So I know. 1:17:53.720 --> 1:17:53.960 Do you know? 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:57.040 It's like a sacred geometry logo and my friend from 1:17:57.120 --> 1:18:00.000 It's called Create. It's like a media company and I'm trying, 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:02.599 I know, and they did. Yeah, they did a new 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:04.720 logo for me, and it's basically based on all this 1:18:04.880 --> 1:18:10.240 like mathematical equations of like space and angles and stuff 1:18:10.240 --> 1:18:11.800 like that, and I just really liked. I know, I 1:18:11.800 --> 1:18:13.800 get so bored to. 1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:19.520 Drop your your classic psychedelic logo. 1:18:20.160 --> 1:18:20.479 I think. 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:20.559 So. 1:18:20.600 --> 1:18:22.280 I just got so sick of seeing that big old 1:18:22.280 --> 1:18:25.120 thing on every cover, Like I was like, not a game. 1:18:25.400 --> 1:18:28.240 But it's like I just looked like I had all 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:29.719 the same album cover every time. 1:18:29.840 --> 1:18:32.920 Like I was just like, oh, here's this. 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:35.639 I know, but I'm independent now, so I don't care, 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:38.200 and I'm just like, whatever do that. 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:40.760 I know. It's just. 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:47.080 It's just so rare as as a lover of record collecting, 1:18:47.760 --> 1:18:51.599 it's so rare to find product with good consistent logo 1:18:52.120 --> 1:18:57.040 with history Like Earth has their consistent logo, Chicago. 1:18:56.800 --> 1:18:58.080 Chicago has Theirs. 1:18:58.400 --> 1:19:01.880 Uh well who team has more of a local than 1:19:02.479 --> 1:19:05.800 like fonts associated I mean you know, I mean the 1:19:05.840 --> 1:19:11.000 Roots have kept are are are boring? Uh blue Helvitica 1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:15.760 Helvitica American typewriter. Yeah, but when you when you when 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:18.840 you be thrown off if you saw a roots album 1:19:19.040 --> 1:19:22.120 in any font other than what you're used. 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:24.439 To seeing I didn't even realize so you said that, 1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:25.120 but I guess. 1:19:25.240 --> 1:19:26.880 Because you don't like the roots Nelly. 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:31.080 I love them. 1:19:31.240 --> 1:19:33.400 But Nelly's album looks like it reminds me of like 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:35.640 those eighties albums. Everybody goes to that stage of like 1:19:35.680 --> 1:19:37.519 the Secret Life of Plants when you put the picture 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:41.160 inside the block of color and I lost everybody. 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:45.439 Yeah, that I appreciate. 1:19:45.720 --> 1:19:47.280 Thank you. 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:59.120 Everybody did a blood anything yeah. 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:03.400 With my friend on it. Honestly, just wanted to capture 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:05.920 the energy space of mine that I was in when 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:09.679 I recorded and and I did that photoshoot for Internet 1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:11.360 stuff and I ended up using it for the album 1:20:11.400 --> 1:20:15.000 cover because it was like snapshot of kind of the week. 1:20:15.040 --> 1:20:18.200 I finished the album in Dallas, Texas, and the artwork 1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:22.439 features local Dallas artists and visual artists. The artwork on 1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:24.559 the front by Samantha Macurity. You can't see the whole 1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:25.240 thing when you buy the vine. 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:25.680 I should have. 1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:28.360 Brought you a vinyl Yeah, why the hell. 1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:29.680 Did I not bring this final to you? 1:20:29.720 --> 1:20:32.519 It's so cool, but you open it up and it's 1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:35.280 just has a sense of community. Just I met a 1:20:35.280 --> 1:20:37.280 lot of cool people in Dallas, and I ended up 1:20:37.320 --> 1:20:39.839 working on all these projects with them, the video directors 1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:40.559 from Dallas. 1:20:40.720 --> 1:20:42.639 There's a good musical community down there. 1:20:43.320 --> 1:20:44.920 Did you stop Starks Junior? 1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:45.599 You ever met him? 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:47.200 I've not met him. 1:20:47.240 --> 1:20:51.559 Really talented keyboardists okay, moo clavinet. He plays it all 1:20:51.600 --> 1:20:52.200 on my album. 1:20:52.320 --> 1:20:53.960 There's a really cool I don't know if you go 1:20:54.040 --> 1:20:55.960 to record stores a lot, but I. 1:20:55.960 --> 1:20:58.120 Used to work at my friend's store in Toronto, Okay, 1:20:58.240 --> 1:20:58.799 a couple. 1:20:58.560 --> 1:21:01.479 Of years ago. One of the after selling millions of records, 1:21:01.520 --> 1:21:02.920 you did I did for. 1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:07.360 Fun the key the key to uh I forget this? 1:21:07.479 --> 1:21:15.040 And the leader Ivy, the leader of Polyrhythmic Spree ownth 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:19.240 Polyphonic Spree owns like one of the coolest record stores, 1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:23.320 mom and pop spots in Dallas right now. It's escaping, 1:21:23.520 --> 1:21:28.200 is it? No, Cliff, don't give me the quote it, 1:21:28.240 --> 1:21:30.360 but it's it's a really. 1:21:30.360 --> 1:21:34.080 John Congleton produced all the records Polysponic Spree, like I 1:21:34.080 --> 1:21:34.920 who did my record? 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:38.240 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. In that area of Dallas. 1:21:38.439 --> 1:21:41.320 Yeah, it's a vibe. It's like you know what it is, 1:21:41.680 --> 1:21:42.160 It's like. 1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:46.160 That whole like like artists and then like the patrons 1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:48.320 of the arts, you know, and then there's this great divide, 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:51.760 and I think it creates this wildness to like the 1:21:51.840 --> 1:21:53.360 left side, you know what I mean, Like it just 1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:54.040 creates this. 1:21:53.960 --> 1:21:57.599 More you have to kind of you gotta be even. 1:21:57.400 --> 1:21:59.880 Weirder in Dallas to be weird, you know what I mean? 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:01.599 They gotta, I gotta. 1:22:01.640 --> 1:22:04.920 Really, how do you how do you feel to be 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:06.600 how does it feel to be on your own and 1:22:06.640 --> 1:22:11.520 truly independent without without labels. 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:13.519 Well, I really followed my heart. 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:16.320 I really wanted to work with John Congleton, and Annie 1:22:16.320 --> 1:22:19.920 from Saint Vincent introduced me to him. We clicked, and 1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:21.960 I just in my heart thought, I want to know 1:22:22.000 --> 1:22:24.080 what it's like to work with like an alternative producer, 1:22:24.200 --> 1:22:26.960 Like I want to see what that's like. I want 1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:30.000 to see if I could do it. And when I 1:22:30.040 --> 1:22:33.120 met him, we started working and interscope. I was still 1:22:33.160 --> 1:22:35.280 with them, but I always kind of go off and 1:22:35.360 --> 1:22:36.920 do my own thing and don't really tell them what 1:22:36.960 --> 1:22:40.360 I'm doing. But eventually I did, and it felt like 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:42.920 they were kind of like, yeah, well maybe we could 1:22:42.960 --> 1:22:45.240 do this or that or this, and I was like, no, 1:22:45.479 --> 1:22:47.639 I really want to finish this album with John Congleton. 1:22:48.040 --> 1:22:51.639 So I was able to get my album back from them, Wow, 1:22:52.240 --> 1:22:54.240 I own this album masters. 1:22:54.640 --> 1:22:55.400 Wait, wait. 1:22:57.880 --> 1:23:02.280 Time out, Wait a minute. You had a conversation with them. 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:04.800 No, my manager helped me, like, I haven't. 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:09.320 Well you yeah literally, but I'm just saying that they 1:23:09.360 --> 1:23:14.960 were willing to amicably part with you. 1:23:16.200 --> 1:23:16.599 Yeah. 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:19.000 Yeah, they gave me my master, They gave me the 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:21.839 like I got to keep the masters of this new record. 1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:25.439 And it was a blessing because I was able to 1:23:25.479 --> 1:23:29.360 make this beautifully produced album essentially independently, you know, which 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:31.280 is you're not usually able to do that, you know, 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:35.559 because John's a really in demand producer. So it took 1:23:35.640 --> 1:23:37.200 we took her time with it because we were both 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:40.920 really busy. But yeah, man, you know, sometimes it's just 1:23:40.960 --> 1:23:41.680 time to move on. 1:23:43.160 --> 1:23:50.640 Really confused me, I need that's the sound of my 1:23:50.680 --> 1:23:53.080 brain right now. Which the only thing. 1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:56.000 He has to do more with relationships, Like there's there's 1:23:56.040 --> 1:23:58.280 a lot of old relationships in the music business, like 1:23:58.320 --> 1:24:00.840 the people you don't see on TV. I I guess 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:04.000 if you ask, And it's like, you know, like between 1:24:04.040 --> 1:24:06.560 business relationships, like sometimes like there's certain people who know 1:24:06.600 --> 1:24:08.920 how to get stuff done quickly. I'm just lucky enough 1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:10.320 to be working with some of them at the time. 1:24:10.880 --> 1:24:14.800 The only reason why mind blown is because now that 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:16.840 I think of it, I think I did the same thing. 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:19.800 Good it happened, Oh yeah. 1:24:19.400 --> 1:24:22.599 With the yeah well no Jay. 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:25.400 I asked Jay, like, yo, take us with you to 1:24:25.439 --> 1:24:28.639 death Cham and he's like this, I want to get 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:30.799 involved in Jimmy's business. 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:33.720 And I simply just asked him. 1:24:33.800 --> 1:24:36.360 But my my selling point was I was like, dude, 1:24:37.120 --> 1:24:42.360 you have seventeen mega platinum artists on interscope. I said, 1:24:42.360 --> 1:24:45.559 all we're doing is wasting your money. You won't miss us, 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:50.280 and he sat and thought about it. I was like, okay, thanks, 1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:51.360 and that was it. 1:24:51.439 --> 1:24:51.720 And I. 1:24:53.800 --> 1:24:56.479 Because you were respectful, you know what I mean. And 1:24:56.560 --> 1:24:58.719 I think even when I presented what I was working 1:24:58.760 --> 1:24:59.479 on with John, I. 1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:01.280 Was, SA, did you get what I'm saying? 1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:03.599 If you sell, if you I wrote. 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:05.200 A handwritten note, you know what I mean. 1:25:05.080 --> 1:25:10.639 If you sell twelve million units, I'd be I kind 1:25:10.640 --> 1:25:16.360 of want to make sure you're good to the last drop. Okay, Okay, 1:25:16.400 --> 1:25:17.240 that's yeah. 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:19.960 Like it's always risk involved, I guess, but like they 1:25:20.000 --> 1:25:20.639 still get the. 1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:22.519 You're at least Jordan five. 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:25.600 You got some Jordan forty five time left in you, 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:28.640 so it's like that to me, that to me is 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:30.839 an amazing like I can't believe that happened. 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:33.360 Yeah, it's like a kind of like a little mini miracle. 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:35.400 I guess I felt it grateful. But then when I 1:25:35.439 --> 1:25:37.880 signed those documents, I said, wow, I signed this record 1:25:37.880 --> 1:25:41.680 contract in nineteen ninety eight. Nineteen ninety eight's a long 1:25:41.720 --> 1:25:44.919 time ago because I take too much time in between albums. 1:25:44.920 --> 1:25:47.880 So for me signing a six album deal, like at 1:25:47.880 --> 1:25:48.880 that age, I never knew. 1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:51.720 You don't think right when you signed it first record Catchry. 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:54.240 You're like, like, it's back an album, right, you read it. 1:25:54.280 --> 1:25:56.519 I was always smart about reading my paperwork. But at 1:25:56.520 --> 1:26:00.000 the same time, you're not really processing, like how much time? 1:26:00.160 --> 1:26:01.680 You don't know that it's going to take that long 1:26:01.720 --> 1:26:02.960 to record sex records? 1:26:03.520 --> 1:26:05.080 You know? So what do you? 1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:08.519 What do you hope happens something I wanted? 1:26:09.240 --> 1:26:11.240 I mean you've you've taken I mean you're kind of 1:26:11.360 --> 1:26:14.599 taken the dream as far as an evolution is concerned. 1:26:15.640 --> 1:26:17.800 You made all types of records, done, all types of 1:26:18.320 --> 1:26:24.759 collaborations and musical experiments, like what what I'm never believe 1:26:24.760 --> 1:26:28.639 in happy, I believe in satisfied. So what Yeah, when 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:31.920 at what point, are you satisfied? Like can if you 1:26:31.960 --> 1:26:35.040 were to stop now you're are you like, okay, you 1:26:35.040 --> 1:26:37.719 have a beautiful daughter, You've pretty much lived in the dream, 1:26:37.800 --> 1:26:39.880 Like what is. 1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:45.160 What is the satisfaction destination for you? For me? 1:26:46.280 --> 1:26:48.599 Okay, if I had to stop today and I was like, okay, 1:26:48.600 --> 1:26:50.920 I'm gonna quit now, I'm never gonna make music again, 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:56.360 I might regret like never doing like a Portuguese language album. Actually, 1:26:57.680 --> 1:26:59.000 I didn't mean to put that on you. 1:26:59.479 --> 1:27:01.280 Nobody's true, No, it's not you. 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:05.040 Yeah, So so that that could be cool at some point, 1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:08.240 but again I won't know until I cross that bridge. 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:12.920 But yeah, generally speaking, I just wanted this time. This 1:27:13.000 --> 1:27:16.080 timeout's been really cool. Like a week after I got 1:27:16.080 --> 1:27:17.600 out of my record contract, like like I think a 1:27:17.640 --> 1:27:20.720 month later, I was rehearsing with Dev Hines because we 1:27:20.720 --> 1:27:25.519 were gonna sing together at his charity show he did. 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:27.200 Did you go to that at the Harlem Apollo? 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:29.440 It was really cool, it was for it was a fundraiser, 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:32.160 and so I said to him, hey, Dev, you know 1:27:32.240 --> 1:27:34.160 I'm not with my label anymore, so we could put 1:27:34.160 --> 1:27:37.200 out our new song on cassette like and sell it 1:27:37.240 --> 1:27:39.200 at the merch table for charity. So that's the type 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:40.519 of stuff you could never do if you're on a 1:27:40.560 --> 1:27:41.120 major label. 1:27:42.000 --> 1:27:43.519 Who is who has a cassette player. 1:27:43.360 --> 1:27:44.840 Don't know it? 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:48.840 Go to urban outfitters right now and get a boom. 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:52.800 And also I did it installation at Art Basil this 1:27:52.880 --> 1:27:55.160 year with my friend who's a photographer. So normally, like 1:27:55.920 --> 1:27:58.559 you can't just do that stuff when you're signed to 1:27:58.680 --> 1:28:03.680 a contract. Sound art installations, songwriting, and you know what 1:28:03.680 --> 1:28:06.719 I'm saying, it's just a different flow in your brain 1:28:07.120 --> 1:28:09.240 and it's really nice. I've been experiencementing with that. 1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:12.120 I'm gonta see where that takes me. You know, I 1:28:12.120 --> 1:28:12.720 don't really know. 1:28:13.120 --> 1:28:14.839 I just want us to keep asking questions. 1:28:14.880 --> 1:28:15.840 You know, I took a. 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:18.439 Playwriting class last year at university. That was fun. 1:28:18.840 --> 1:28:22.439 So maybe writing arrangements or something for like a different 1:28:22.479 --> 1:28:25.200 type of like paradigm may be theatrical. 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:25.880 I'm not sure. 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:30.440 See, I get the feeling that, you know, the the ongoing, 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:32.879 the ongoing evolution. 1:28:33.400 --> 1:28:36.280 Well, you know, she'll probably prime minister. 1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:39.599 Well, I was gonna ask you to ronto lot like musically, 1:28:39.640 --> 1:28:41.960 Toronto has been put on the map since you first 1:28:41.960 --> 1:28:42.519 stepped Onto. 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:46.960 To say, I feel like a forty Drake collaborations. 1:28:46.320 --> 1:28:52.120 Coming up mel so nice. 1:28:52.720 --> 1:28:52.960 Yeah. 1:28:53.000 --> 1:28:57.759 You know I feel cool because I watched the scene 1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:01.080 grow and I stayed in that city. I've stayed in 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:04.840 Toronto my whole life and career, well from age eighteen out, 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:09.200 but like I've watched it grow urban scenes finally on 1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:12.519 the international map. I mean, we were just doing our thing. 1:29:13.200 --> 1:29:16.840 Oh thanks to Fronte, But I mean I need to know. 1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:19.719 Did my sto Maestro Fresh West let your backbone slide? 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:20.679 Was that a hit over here? 1:29:21.120 --> 1:29:24.640 No afraid it wasn't. That's your back slide? 1:29:24.760 --> 1:29:26.880 Okay because I wouldn't know because we played thirty percent 1:29:27.000 --> 1:29:29.120 can Con and Canada growing up, So you thirty percent 1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:30.879 of everything you see and listened to is Canadian. 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:34.080 It's it's called kankon. Yeah, it's a government rule. 1:29:34.439 --> 1:29:38.439 Yeah. This was before a Clear Channel took us over 1:29:38.520 --> 1:29:39.360 in ninety seven. 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:39.840 Yeah. 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:42.519 So so basically speaking, yeah, it's so nice to meet 1:29:42.560 --> 1:29:44.880 these new artists that are coming out and they have 1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:46.760 an appreciation for what happened in the past, but then 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:49.639 they're moving things forward. So like my favorite from Toronto 1:29:49.680 --> 1:29:54.240 is his name is River Tiber and the record Yeah, man, 1:29:54.280 --> 1:29:57.200 he's based in Toronto. New new artists. You got to 1:29:57.200 --> 1:30:00.320 look out for Mustafa Ahmed. I've known im s he 1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:04.760 was fifteen. He sings, he's a spoken word poet. Really 1:30:04.800 --> 1:30:07.920 got to look out for him. He's making his he's 1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:10.519 managed by Doc actually and he's he's making his for 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:11.679 his debut right now. 1:30:12.520 --> 1:30:14.040 Thanks Nady. I was literally going to ask you to 1:30:14.080 --> 1:30:15.599 put us on does some new media acts. 1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:17.599 Also, I really like Charlotte da Wilson's EP. 1:30:17.880 --> 1:30:18.519 Have you heard it? 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:19.479 Yeah? 1:30:20.360 --> 1:30:23.320 Manager as she's on She's on bad Bat Not Goods 1:30:23.400 --> 1:30:24.240 new album as well. 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:28.479 Spante's are. 1:30:30.720 --> 1:30:34.200 Voulture Voucher and I feel irrelevant. 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:36.559 His i Q is way way. 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:39.240 Coming out. 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:43.400 Spante's Drake's Spirit Animal. Really, Drake is going on record 1:30:43.400 --> 1:30:44.200 to say that this. 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:45.720 Man always. 1:30:47.720 --> 1:30:48.080 Animal. 1:30:48.479 --> 1:30:52.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he said that in Yeah on On. 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:57.360 He dedicated his he dedicated his he wanted to be 1:30:57.520 --> 1:31:00.840 m I would, I think, and he dedicated it to me. Really, 1:31:01.000 --> 1:31:03.759 he dedicated it to me. He dedicated to me Andre 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:09.120 and Kanye Wow. And they asked me what I thought 1:31:09.160 --> 1:31:11.280 about it, and I was like, I think it's great, 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:13.280 but I wish you would have dedicated time to do 1:31:13.320 --> 1:31:14.480 a verse on my album. 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:19.720 And we haven't spoke. Let me, you don't love the brother. 1:31:19.800 --> 1:31:21.719 It's all good, you know. I get that gun sound effect. 1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:30.200 I have a soft shots fire, I've Nintendo. Yeah, we've done. 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:33.000 We worked early, early on in his career, and I 1:31:33.000 --> 1:31:36.200 mean he's always I don't know, oh yeah. 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:38.559 Yeah, out till later that he was on the Loose 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:40.840 tour because he's saying backgrounds for Socrates on a couple 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:41.200 of shows. 1:31:41.600 --> 1:31:45.799 Yeah, wow, the Canadian tour sang background. 1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:47.200 Start somewhere he did. 1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:48.519 That's all started on the bottom. 1:31:48.720 --> 1:31:52.760 He did doubles and no, he did doubles for Socrates. Yeah, 1:31:53.160 --> 1:31:54.800 on like I think three or four shows on our 1:31:54.840 --> 1:31:55.960 Canadian tour of Loose. 1:31:56.080 --> 1:31:56.680 Yeah. 1:31:56.720 --> 1:31:58.160 But I didn't know at the time, Like I just 1:31:58.200 --> 1:32:02.080 found this out recently. But everybody loves Drake. Everybody's so 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:04.599 proud of him, right right. 1:32:04.680 --> 1:32:06.879 Y'all, she said, She said, everybody loves. 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:12.479 No No No For. 1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:14.040 The c and Tower to be on the cover of 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:15.519 an album, it's a beautiful building. 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:20.200 Well, Nellie, thank you very much for joining us today 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:23.360 at the q LS Peanut Gallery. 1:32:23.439 --> 1:32:24.000 Give it up for. 1:32:26.080 --> 1:32:28.320 Everybody needs the Peanut Gallery album. 1:32:29.880 --> 1:32:34.240 Please get the new album Ride the Right, The Right 1:32:34.400 --> 1:32:34.880 I'm sorry. 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:36.640 You got to enjoy it or get off of it. 1:32:37.360 --> 1:32:42.599 Yes, you've been thinking that all day, haven't you just. 1:32:45.160 --> 1:32:49.000 Enjoyed? Get off anyway? Getting off the ride. 1:32:50.320 --> 1:32:54.400 On behalf of fran Ticelo and Sugar Steve and wash 1:32:54.479 --> 1:32:56.400 Bill and Unpaid Bill and. 1:32:56.560 --> 1:33:00.920 Laya and Aka off a ride. 1:33:01.640 --> 1:33:04.840 This is Quest Love, Quest Love Supreme. Thank you very much, Nelly, 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:11.880 I appreciate it. Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 1:33:12.320 --> 1:33:15.599 This classic episode was produced by the team App and Door. 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:24.400 For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 1:33:24.800 --> 1:33:26.479 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.