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Speaker 1: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to another a new edition of
Speaker 1: Courts Love Supreme. I'm quests love this team Supreme Supreme.
Speaker 1: Yes two point zero Courts Love Supreme. Our guest with
Speaker 1: us today. She is a breath of fresh air. I
Speaker 1: shall say I've been a long time admirer of this. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'll say songbird for a voice or music, her artistry.
Speaker 1: She came out the gate in two thousand as a
Speaker 1: solo artist with her debut Woe Nelly. That kind of
Speaker 1: captured our hearts and our minds in our ears with
Speaker 1: hits like turn off the Light. Uh ship on the
Speaker 1: radio and I said it, I didn't say ellipses, ellipses.
Speaker 3: On the radio.
Speaker 1: Uh. And of course like a bird, she won multiple
Speaker 1: Juno Awards, Grammy Awards.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: Not stopping there, she collaborated with uh megastar acts like
Speaker 1: any r D, Missy.
Speaker 3: Elliott and the Roots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on Sacrifice, I forgot that she collaborated on my
Speaker 1: own song.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Uh. Therese also Nos Jurassic fives to well remembers, uh
Speaker 1: chaos Knon.
Speaker 3: It just goes on and on. Paul can feel.
Speaker 1: Tiesto probably her most important collaboration. I was in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six with her uh her third album which
Speaker 1: is Loose uh with Templand, and she didn't stop a
Speaker 1: lot of Yeah, twelve million amazing.
Speaker 6: If I sold twelve million copies, I wouldn't anything, answer,
Speaker 6: would never see me anything exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: I said, twelve million t Shirtain it's over Fi. She
Speaker 3: stopped there.
Speaker 1: She released an all Spanish record in two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine with me, I'm not used to mirror the Wikipedia.
Speaker 3: Man, this is this is well, I'm trying to human.
Speaker 8: Cook.
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 8: Starting to begin. Let him cook.
Speaker 3: This is great.
Speaker 1: You understand how much changed this is. This is I
Speaker 1: thought I thought I was coming in like you know,
Speaker 1: I just thought I.
Speaker 11: Wasn't used to it.
Speaker 10: I was appreciated.
Speaker 6: This is great, this is this is amazing own anyway,
Speaker 6: thank you all for interrupting me.
Speaker 3: Guys, no problem, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone else anything there in the studio.
Speaker 3: Tell you.
Speaker 1: She's offering us her sixth U studio album entitled well,
Speaker 1: he missed the part about my Latin Grammy mentioned that.
Speaker 6: I mentioned, I mentioned that, but interrupt about Yes.
Speaker 3: I covered your whole life.
Speaker 10: Thank you good. That was good.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's the social Security it's five five five.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, childhood memory.
Speaker 1: Yes, and she's also heading up the Donald Trump russigate investigations.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Nelly for t.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 11: Thanks. I was such a nice intro.
Speaker 8: It was my first to see you again.
Speaker 3: It's great to see you too.
Speaker 10: What the hell?
Speaker 11: Yeah, man, it's it's we occasionally send tweets to each other.
Speaker 3: So you guys are close.
Speaker 11: I guess we've I've been to Philly, that's legit.
Speaker 10: I've been there in the old studio.
Speaker 11: Well, I don't know before then it was ready join.
Speaker 3: E've been in that studio forever. Have you ever seen
Speaker 3: a stripper in the studio?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 11: Yeah, that was so long ago.
Speaker 10: That was like in two thousand and one when we
Speaker 10: went together and Philly and you guys like had the
Speaker 10: whole thing written already, the chorus.
Speaker 11: And I was bummed out because I thought I'd get
Speaker 11: to co write with you.
Speaker 3: Because I don't think sacrifice.
Speaker 10: Is I'm like, okay, like this is cool.
Speaker 3: Right now, Like, yeah, you should have done that.
Speaker 10: It was like really it was fun though, I like,
Speaker 10: I mean that album is amazing, but like, yeah, so
Speaker 10: I was just happy to be there.
Speaker 8: It was fine.
Speaker 9: You felt like Missy, like, I'm gonna be on your
Speaker 9: records just singing no hooks. That's kind of ew like because.
Speaker 10: I always wrote my own song, so I had Actually
Speaker 10: that was the first time someone had like written a
Speaker 10: thing for me to sing.
Speaker 11: So I was like, but it's the roots.
Speaker 10: So I was like, of course, like I'm just happy
Speaker 10: to be here and be on your album, and I say, fun,
Speaker 10: how did you.
Speaker 3: Get that postion check?
Speaker 10: Next time Gott and I was one of.
Speaker 1: There's always the future, exactly, There's always the future, you
Speaker 1: know when I when I first met you, I think
Speaker 1: the very first time we opened.
Speaker 11: For you, we walked Area one.
Speaker 3: No, this we we did.
Speaker 11: We also sang together a bunch on Area one tour. Yeah,
Speaker 11: but even before Area one and performed live with you, there.
Speaker 1: Was there was a show we did together, and I
Speaker 1: know that we You came on first and then we
Speaker 1: came on, But I came in right when you were
Speaker 1: dancing to BBD's Poison.
Speaker 10: What Dutch, and I was like, you know my interlude
Speaker 10: that I did in my in my head.
Speaker 1: I already had it pecked out that you were just
Speaker 1: a pop showing two that I saw on t r
Speaker 1: L and you know, like like a bird leads you
Speaker 1: to believe, at least at that time when the single
Speaker 1: was just out and we all looked at each other like, wait,
Speaker 1: who is this on stage?
Speaker 3: Like Nelly for titles is the same person doing the
Speaker 3: like she was doing the dance that they were doing
Speaker 3: in the video.
Speaker 1: In the video, and so it was like it was
Speaker 1: a well Nelly moment, like we hardly knew.
Speaker 10: You as I got to do Hello Cool Jay and
Speaker 10: Mary and one other act something Pepa on the same
Speaker 10: little routine.
Speaker 3: Yeah I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you explained to me about your days
Speaker 1: even before your sold, the career with Neil Starr and
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 10: So yeah, there's always so much, right, I mean, you
Speaker 10: know this, You're an artist, So it's like there's so
Speaker 10: much that goes into who you are that people don't
Speaker 10: see when you make like a product or a packaged
Speaker 10: thing and you just roll with it. It's okay, you know,
Speaker 10: but but the people you know who end up like
Speaker 10: digging deeper into maybe what you do, we are going
Speaker 10: to see. I make the same mistake today, like I
Speaker 10: judge artists all the time, and then I listen to
Speaker 10: their catalog and I feel so guilty or see their show,
Speaker 10: you know, and I'm like, oh, damn, I should never
Speaker 10: judge an artist until I actually, like last night, I
Speaker 10: was listening to the new Drake album because I'm like, well,
Speaker 10: let me just put this on and listen to it.
Speaker 10: You know what, I mean so like, you can't speak
Speaker 10: on something unless you listen to unless you go to
Speaker 10: the show.
Speaker 1: He took you to South I feel like, you know
Speaker 1: what's fair, he took you to South Africa.
Speaker 3: Right now he's making South Africa house the No.
Speaker 11: But like, honestly, like I feel like, I really feel.
Speaker 10: Like you can't judge an artist until you listen to
Speaker 10: something a whole album of one album at least, and
Speaker 10: you go to their live show or watch like YouTube
Speaker 10: live clips or something.
Speaker 9: But is it fair to listen to the first album,
Speaker 9: because sometimes it's not fair. I always listen to the
Speaker 9: first one.
Speaker 10: Because you know, sometimes you have to dig deeper. Yeah,
Speaker 10: you have to dig a little deeper. I don't know,
Speaker 10: I mean, but anyway, thanks for talking about that, because
Speaker 10: I mean, well.
Speaker 3: I wanted to know what your beginnings.
Speaker 1: I said the word, Uh, what they were that at
Speaker 1: least led you to wanting to start a music career.
Speaker 12: Oh god, I was young.
Speaker 11: I was young, Like there was no Mickey Mouse Club.
Speaker 11: I was from a small town lot of Victoria, BC.
Speaker 11: But they weren't even any talent shows.
Speaker 10: But I had a church, I had a Portuguese church community,
Speaker 10: so like I got to sing there. I get to
Speaker 10: sing at church at our festivals. We call them fashtach.
Speaker 13: Where yeah, fashduje at the fashtaka And I sang with
Speaker 13: my mom in Portuguese when I was four years old,
Speaker 13: and I got up on the stage and I just
Speaker 13: knew that I loved it.
Speaker 10: I just knew that I wanted to be doing that
Speaker 10: because I felt like I was spreading joy and love
Speaker 10: and good vibes, and I just I felt that at
Speaker 10: the age of four, it was really kind of weird,
Speaker 10: but I'd always sing songs like I would make up
Speaker 10: songs on the spot from when I was apparently I
Speaker 10: was two or three no around the house and my
Speaker 10: sister would literally be like sing sing, make up a
Speaker 10: song because my eyes would well up with tears and
Speaker 10: I'd get super emotional.
Speaker 11: So it was always inside of me.
Speaker 10: I did an experiment at moment PS one in the fall.
Speaker 10: I did an installation where I wrote songs with one
Speaker 10: hundred strangers in the course of three hours, and I
Speaker 10: was trying to explore this connection. We have to like
Speaker 10: the source and why we write songs and why it
Speaker 10: comes to you, and how we can tap into that
Speaker 10: and prove that it's an empathic thing and prove that,
Speaker 10: like a song can prove how we're all similar rather
Speaker 10: than different.
Speaker 3: And can I keep back up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, without me making any Houston five hundred references.
Speaker 3: So you there are a hundred people in the room.
Speaker 11: No, okay. So it was anywhere from like one person.
Speaker 10: The smallest group was one person, and then the largest
Speaker 10: group was ten people and a dog the last group
Speaker 10: and the moment passed. One had this back to school
Speaker 10: fundraiser and I'm friends with this performance. Aren't his name
Speaker 10: Ryan McNamara, And he told me I could do anything
Speaker 10: with the one room. He's like, do you want a
Speaker 10: room with this thing? And I was like I do
Speaker 10: because I have this idea. I want to do this
Speaker 10: experiment where I sit with my guitar. And this started
Speaker 10: in I used to do songwriting workshops or ongoing like
Speaker 10: in this place called Nara Kenya and with these girls
Speaker 10: at this high school called Lali. So I go there
Speaker 10: all the time. Made a bunch of friends are over
Speaker 10: years working with this nonprofit. And what I do is
Speaker 10: do a songwriting workshop. When we write a song, but
Speaker 10: it just exists in that moment and then it's over,
Speaker 10: you know. So I'm very into this idea that a
Speaker 10: song is just this expression and it because you know
Speaker 10: as well as I, we don't record everything we write.
Speaker 11: We just do it to do it, you know what
Speaker 11: I mean.
Speaker 10: So I wanted to in that room like okay, So,
Speaker 10: like one person will walk in and sit down.
Speaker 11: I'd have my guitar. I'd tape it on tape.
Speaker 10: Recorder because I didn't want it to be like this
Speaker 10: branded moment that was videotaped.
Speaker 11: I wanted it to exist in that moment.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And so I'd come and sit down and I'd
Speaker 10: be like, Okay, what did you dream last night? And
Speaker 10: they tell me about their dream the night before, or
Speaker 10: I'd be like, what was your favorite childhood vacation? And
Speaker 10: then I'd start singing a song and they would contribute,
Speaker 10: sometimes if they had any.
Speaker 11: Musical ability or not.
Speaker 10: And by the end, after fifteen minutes, if someone would
Speaker 10: knock on the door when I had two minutes left,
Speaker 10: then I would record the thing. Then I would wrap
Speaker 10: the cassette in the paper with all our lyrics.
Speaker 11: And usually there.
Speaker 10: Were different reactions. Some people would cry there were two
Speaker 10: people fighting, because some people didn't know each other in
Speaker 10: the groups, because everybody was trying to get into the thing,
Speaker 10: and they'd.
Speaker 11: Be like some people didn't like each other.
Speaker 10: But then there was a lot of laughter, and I
Speaker 10: felt great because sometimes you wonder like will your inspiration
Speaker 10: ever run out?
Speaker 11: You know what I mean? Will it ever just like end?
Speaker 10: And then the truth is more and more like the
Speaker 10: more you share with people, like the more you.
Speaker 8: Get how's it?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just trying to figure the logistics, like
Speaker 1: if I'm a fan of Nelly for Tylo, like, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you be freaking out and all it? Like how do
Speaker 1: you just calm them down? Just to get to the
Speaker 1: point of the experiment.
Speaker 11: I think they saw how chill I was.
Speaker 10: And Ryan had left the room in this like really
Speaker 10: moody orange light, and it was like a back to
Speaker 10: school theme that night at the museum. So it was
Speaker 10: almost like I was a teacher, So you were coming
Speaker 10: into a classroom it was maybe just one or two people,
Speaker 10: maybe you were with a friend, and so some people, yeah,
Speaker 10: maybe I got them in this.
Speaker 11: Weird, vulnerable moment where they're like, whoa, this is weird.
Speaker 11: You got the place and why is she so chill?
Speaker 14: And and they're probably like the version of me in
Speaker 14: that room is nothing like anything they've seen in a
Speaker 14: video or something. So I'm just like, hey, you know,
Speaker 14: I start writing because you know, it's a different vibe
Speaker 14: when you write a song.
Speaker 10: It's nothing like your stage persona or anything like that.
Speaker 10: It's a whole other thing.
Speaker 11: So most people were pretty calm. Some people, I don't know.
Speaker 10: Some people were songwriters aspiring songwriters, and they would they
Speaker 10: were just enjoying it.
Speaker 11: They're like, sweet, this is so cool.
Speaker 3: Were there any particular moments in that experiment that stood
Speaker 3: out to.
Speaker 10: You, Like these two people were arguing because like the
Speaker 10: lady didn't like the lyrics this younger guy was writing
Speaker 10: because they were kind of goofy. They had like some
Speaker 10: like Prince Arthur reverence or like something something crazy or
Speaker 10: perverted or something. And then and then the lady was
Speaker 10: all like I.
Speaker 11: Don't like those, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10: We had to agree, So it was like, oh, there
Speaker 10: were some people who weren't really participating.
Speaker 11: They were just staring at me.
Speaker 10: But I was still I know you would have been
Speaker 10: you would have been like, show me how you're going
Speaker 10: to do this if I don't participate, Yeah, but you
Speaker 10: asked me, you asked me. Then I wrote this whole
Speaker 10: statement about it. And the whole point was, since I
Speaker 10: was little, I never understood where the.
Speaker 11: Songs came from.
Speaker 10: I was like, where's this words coming from? The melodies
Speaker 10: blah blah blah, the music in my head. I never
Speaker 10: really understood it. So I just wanted to explore that
Speaker 10: a little bit more, I guess. But the answered to
Speaker 10: your question is I eventually moved to Toronto after I
Speaker 10: graduated high school from Victoria, a very small small town,
Speaker 10: and I moved to Toronto and I got immersed in
Speaker 10: the scene. There was an urban scene that was burgeoning,
Speaker 10: and so I started a trip hop group with my
Speaker 10: friend Talis and we called it Nelstar, and I just
Speaker 10: kind of did my thing. And I was seventeen, eighteen
Speaker 10: years old. I missed my parents. I moved back home
Speaker 10: and went to college for a year in Victoria, I
Speaker 10: bought a guitar. I started playing at like coffee shops
Speaker 10: and trying to get my songwriting better. And then but
Speaker 10: right before I left, I sang in a talent show
Speaker 10: called the Honey Jam.
Speaker 11: I was eighteen, and it was mostly rappers in R and.
Speaker 10: B, singers all female, and then I kind of came
Speaker 10: up there and did this like weird little trip hop song.
Speaker 10: And my manager at the time was there, and I
Speaker 10: met him that night and sort of kept in touch
Speaker 10: and ended up this.
Speaker 11: It was like a Cinderella type thing. It was like, Ooh,
Speaker 11: You're getting flown to New York because they like your demo.
Speaker 10: I think the reason why I was because do you
Speaker 10: remember back in the day when people had professional writers
Speaker 10: write their bio and you got a professional headshot.
Speaker 3: For your photos.
Speaker 10: So when you had a demo and you were an
Speaker 10: artist who wanted a record deal, you like would have
Speaker 10: a professional photo and a pio.
Speaker 11: So I said, I don't want that. I want to
Speaker 11: stand out.
Speaker 10: So I went to the local gallery of mall photo booth,
Speaker 10: like down the street from my aunts where I was
Speaker 10: staying on her sofa bed, and I took strip mall
Speaker 10: photos of myself. I scanned them at work because I
Speaker 10: had a job doing customer service at an alarm company.
Speaker 10: I was like snuck into the room with the scanners
Speaker 10: and the computer and I made friends with the systems
Speaker 10: guy who worked there let music, and I photocopied my
Speaker 10: own like strip mall photo like cool, the.
Speaker 9: Crazy background like did you have liked Michael Jackson like.
Speaker 8: Coming out of a war?
Speaker 6: Yeah, not the Tupac not the club background was like
Speaker 6: to champagne.
Speaker 10: And like a dusty like orange curtain behind your blue
Speaker 10: and I just made it look all like trippy and
Speaker 10: then I wrote not a bio. I wrote like a
Speaker 10: weird mantra, like I just did like a journal entry
Speaker 10: style bio and at the time nobody was doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, what made you do that?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 11: My manager was cool, he was just like, this is great,
Speaker 11: this will make you stand out.
Speaker 10: That's cool that you did this. Write down what you
Speaker 10: said to me in your office that day, you know where.
Speaker 10: I said some super like megalomaniacle stuff like I want
Speaker 10: to be Gandhi and mother Tosa, like you have that
Speaker 10: ambition that burning like get me out of my circumstance ambition,
Speaker 10: and you're just like, I.
Speaker 11: Wrote this bio myself.
Speaker 10: I wrote some crazy like mantra journal entry style bio
Speaker 10: and people were like, who's this curl?
Speaker 11: We want to meet her? And I had a demo
Speaker 11: to go with it.
Speaker 8: That was maybe I.
Speaker 3: Should have done that.
Speaker 1: No, because the protocol, uh the least that I learned
Speaker 1: is whatever critic pans your album the most, when when
Speaker 1: it's reviewed, you get that person to write the bio,
Speaker 1: to write your bio, So that way it's a conflict
Speaker 1: of interest from them reviewing your album again.
Speaker 10: Music industry hack, same ones, the same ones will get
Speaker 10: you again.
Speaker 11: What I'm saying, if they don't like you, will continue to.
Speaker 1: Writer blah blah blah has written your bio, your record,
Speaker 1: he'll pass at Rolling Stone from giving you another you know,
Speaker 1: Mundane three star writing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, black black man. If you you.
Speaker 8: Know, we get a.
Speaker 10: Can we just say man that the reviews all us
Speaker 10: artists were like, we don't care.
Speaker 8: We almost so care.
Speaker 11: It hurts when someone writes a bad review, I think.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying that you're your friend.
Speaker 1: Was it came out the gate as in, I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone universally agreed that it was an unusual record for starters.
Speaker 1: I the thing that impressed me about it the most
Speaker 1: was well as as Bill and I were noting before
Speaker 1: I realized that your production team was definitely into quote
Speaker 1: unquote real hip hop. This is when I say real
Speaker 1: hip hop, it's it's from the when the old guy,
Speaker 1: the old hip hop fans is real hip hop, but
Speaker 1: it's just certain nuances, certain snares used that I realized, like, oh,
Speaker 1: whoever's producing this record really is dipped in the hip
Speaker 1: hop culture because but it wasn't done in a way
Speaker 1: where it exploits it, like you didn't come out the gate,
Speaker 1: or you weren't marketed as a hip hop artist.
Speaker 10: Yet there were a lot let it come to us.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was probably the most pure, you know because at
Speaker 1: least in between like nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand,
Speaker 1: you know, people's version of hip like hip hop being
Speaker 1: infused inside the pop music.
Speaker 3: Was like all right, let's steal my sunshine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get the piece of President's there, like the
Speaker 1: theme of Scrubs right or or you know Atlantis Marsett
Speaker 1: using a piece of President or George Michael using Funky Jones.
Speaker 3: Exactly without prejudice album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like okay, like you know, let me
Speaker 1: just put this loop there. But your people were using
Speaker 1: like some obscure shit and using it the right way
Speaker 1: that real hip hop hits were like, hmm, okay, cheat,
Speaker 1: she she just isn't the average guy the culture vulture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you say, yeah, you're coming on some real shit.
Speaker 1: So what was the process like doing the first record?
Speaker 11: I'm glad you asked me that.
Speaker 10: So we we started with a demo and we did
Speaker 10: it in Brian West's like attic studio. Three of us me,
Speaker 10: Jerald Eaton, and Brian West. They were part of an
Speaker 10: R and B group called the Philosopher Kings, kind of
Speaker 10: like what used to be called acid jazz pop, like
Speaker 10: that kind of band. They were really good live and
Speaker 10: really talented musicians. They've all gone on to have their
Speaker 10: own production and writing careers, but anyway, I got two
Speaker 10: of them. I got Brian West and Gerald Eaton, who
Speaker 10: was a singer in the band. That was really key
Speaker 10: because Gerald Eaton was such a good singer that he
Speaker 10: really knew how to vocal arrange me. He really knew
Speaker 10: how to like make sure that the vocals were interesting
Speaker 10: and make sure that my harmonies were interesting on the album.
Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of ideas floating around.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and the three of us we co produced the
Speaker 10: album to other we actually worked as a team and
Speaker 10: we I actually programmed like the baseline on Turn Off
Speaker 10: all Lit like, I just like actually played it on
Speaker 10: the keyboard and ship on the radio. I wrote on guitar,
Speaker 10: I played the guitar on the record, and I think
Speaker 10: that the three of us were so invested in just
Speaker 10: having fun. You know. Pro Tools had just been invented,
Speaker 10: so the actual process was interesting. We were working in
Speaker 10: this really cold it had no heating, this like studio
Speaker 10: place in Toronto, in a warehouse building, and pro Tools
Speaker 10: kept crashing because Brian didn't really know how to use
Speaker 10: it yet and it was bugging out.
Speaker 11: So in the long spells.
Speaker 10: Of time, yeah, looking at me, like, no, it still.
Speaker 11: Crashes all the time.
Speaker 10: But like imagine like when it first like literally but
Speaker 10: you know, like when it first came out, there were
Speaker 10: like a lot of glitches and like he was trying
Speaker 10: to merge them. He was trying to merge the midi
Speaker 10: with it all the sounds, and that was causing problems
Speaker 10: for us. And so I just like take naps and stuff.
Speaker 10: So I'd wake up and Gerald will be like, your
Speaker 10: voice sounds so cool right now. You got to sing
Speaker 10: the vocal for this song right now. And it'd be
Speaker 10: three in the morning. I'd be like really be like yeah,
Speaker 10: and I'd sing this this like hook or whatever.
Speaker 11: The other thing we were doing was we're one of
Speaker 11: the records store a lot.
Speaker 10: We were going to our friend Aki Aki store called
Speaker 10: Cosmos in Toronto.
Speaker 11: E've been that one the best you should go.
Speaker 10: Anyway, So we we would go there and get a
Speaker 10: lot of Brazilian music and stuff like that and just
Speaker 10: kind of listen and get inspired, you know, everything from
Speaker 10: Milch Andasimento to like Martinho de Villa or whatever, and
Speaker 10: we would sample it and kind of create things that
Speaker 10: way right on. Vocally too, I had experimented with a
Speaker 10: lot of things in New Star that I kind of
Speaker 10: like ended up kind of bringing that kind of like
Speaker 10: that sort of uh sort of scat like singing, you know,
Speaker 10: that kind of sing rap type.
Speaker 8: Of when you started when you do this, I don't
Speaker 8: know what you call.
Speaker 10: It was very influenced by like Brazilian vocal percussion, but
Speaker 10: the process was long. So the reason, well, Nelly, that
Speaker 10: first record sounds like that and it sounds like this
Speaker 10: crazy postiche is because it was very conscious the making
Speaker 10: of it. Like I brought in albums that I love,
Speaker 10: like I was really into Corner Shop at the time
Speaker 10: when I was born.
Speaker 11: For the seventh time.
Speaker 10: Yeah, first groups to really merge pop with like cultural music,
Speaker 10: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: A lot of Indian yeah influence. Thank you for seeing
Speaker 3: me on that years.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but we'd find like street buskers, street musicians in
Speaker 10: the subway, like pillon, vibraphone or sitar, and we'd be like,
Speaker 10: can you come to the studio today, Like we had
Speaker 10: lots of people come play and we just sample them.
Speaker 10: And well we'd not sample them, like we wouldn't pay them.
Speaker 10: We'd pay them for their session and then we would
Speaker 10: use it in different ways. But there's even Brazilian. There's
Speaker 10: some quirky instruments on there. So anyway, all that hard
Speaker 10: work and time and energy and technical difficulties led to
Speaker 10: the sound of the album.
Speaker 3: Technical so you say mistakes, yeah.
Speaker 10: Man, like pro tools crashing, you know, and things like
Speaker 10: taking longer to like what there's a song on that
Speaker 10: album that took one month to record, and I mean
Speaker 10: we were in the studio every day experimenting.
Speaker 11: It's called trying to find a.
Speaker 3: Way, Okay, okay, yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 11: In San Francisco, kidst some way that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So were you how did you feel about the
Speaker 1: reception of the record.
Speaker 10: In the first album, it was weird because I wanted
Speaker 10: Ship on the Radio to be the first single. I'm glad.
Speaker 8: I was going to.
Speaker 1: Say, how do you present that idea, like as I'm
Speaker 1: going to criticize the radio and to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it came out the gate thinking.
Speaker 3: No, it was weird.
Speaker 11: You know what it was?
Speaker 10: It was my friend, Like you know, your friends and
Speaker 10: then your real friends, so it's like there's always like
Speaker 10: the Peanut gallery who's like too cool for everything, and
Speaker 10: it's like, oh, I feel like it was a random
Speaker 10: conversation in a car and somebody said, I.
Speaker 3: No, no, I mean.
Speaker 1: Us as if we are too cool and we're snobs,
Speaker 1: and yeah, but that's cool.
Speaker 11: You can do that, but not to your friends. So
Speaker 11: like somebody had a car I.
Speaker 10: No, but like should on the radio happened because I
Speaker 10: was in a car with a friend from back home.
Speaker 10: It was a group of people and someone said to me, hey,
Speaker 10: it was like more like an acquaintance.
Speaker 11: Was like, you signed a record deal.
Speaker 10: Make sure you don't make cheesy music, make sure you
Speaker 10: don't make bad music, make sure you make cool music.
Speaker 10: And I was like, excuse me, Like that was like
Speaker 10: it's like really hating before you even had a chance
Speaker 10: to do anything, and people just hate just to hate,
Speaker 10: and soh on radio was out that I was like,
Speaker 10: you know what, I don't need to prove myself to
Speaker 10: you or anyone. I can just like do what I
Speaker 10: want to do and I don't need to worry about shoegazing,
Speaker 10: you know. And so yeah, so anyway, so present into
Speaker 10: a record label. Yeah, Mo Austin, I don't know, do
Speaker 10: you know Mo Austin?
Speaker 3: Yes, we know the legend of movie.
Speaker 11: Yeah, man, like.
Speaker 10: He worked at dream Works, like my label had like.
Speaker 11: Lenny wren Coode Mo Austin and like.
Speaker 3: Yeah nice, Yeah, they were like the classic.
Speaker 10: Yeah Prince not real lucky. You know. I had these
Speaker 10: like amazing seasoned people behind me and they believed in
Speaker 10: everything I did. And Lenny Waronker came to the studio
Speaker 10: when we're almost done well Nelly, and he go he
Speaker 10: looked at me and he goes, savor this moment. You
Speaker 10: will never make music like this again because you're just
Speaker 10: starting out and your impression and the way you think
Speaker 10: and the way you create will never be the same again.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that innocence and you can you
Speaker 1: can feel and hear that innocence, like the boundaries of
Speaker 1: they're not being boundaries, you coloring outside the lines and
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. You sort of you get the
Speaker 1: sense of that, like, oh, this is a person that's
Speaker 1: just discovering their body parts metaphorically speaking, like you know,
Speaker 1: like oh, the limited.
Speaker 3: Power I have.
Speaker 1: And then it's almost like you get tainted or uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a pressure on your hands when
Speaker 1: you work up on following material like did you how
Speaker 1: did you feel afterwards?
Speaker 10: Like I know exactly what you mean because I hear
Speaker 10: that on records when I listen to them, now, you
Speaker 10: know what I mean? So like I heard I think
Speaker 10: I heard drums album and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 10: love how he doesn't care and it just seems so
Speaker 10: you know, like there's an intentional and it will never
Speaker 10: happen again.
Speaker 11: I was like, oh my.
Speaker 10: God, this is so beautiful because it's so free, you
Speaker 10: know what I mean, Like, oh, this is so free,
Speaker 10: you know.
Speaker 11: But anyway myself, yeah, oh my god, you kidding me. Pressure.
Speaker 10: Plus I was a girl. It was like a twenty
Speaker 10: twenty one year old girl, like all of a sudden,
Speaker 10: like what like I'm nominated for Grammy and like my
Speaker 10: mom's sitting next to me, and were at the Grammys
Speaker 10: and I went a grant like it was all surreal.
Speaker 3: How'd you feel when they announced your name that night?
Speaker 3: I think I was there that night when you won
Speaker 3: Year Year.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you were probably there, Yeah, back in the good
Speaker 10: old days. I mean it was amazing.
Speaker 11: I was like, what you.
Speaker 1: Kind of I mean you expected to win. I mean
Speaker 1: you were unstoppable.
Speaker 10: I don't know, like it's still cool, like it's still
Speaker 10: the funny thing that happens is afterwards. I remember I
Speaker 10: was living in it. I remember, actually exactly because I
Speaker 10: was living in LA for like a year. I remember
Speaker 10: you invited me to a party one night and I
Speaker 10: couldn't go, and I don't remember why. I couldn't convince
Speaker 10: my friend to come out with me, and I didn't
Speaker 10: go right my roommate, my friend. But around that time,
Speaker 10: I remember starting to feel like, oh, I got a
Speaker 10: deal with all the other ways I actually feel about
Speaker 10: this business, you know what I mean.
Speaker 11: The starry eyes are gone.
Speaker 10: I'm now wondering does it all come down to wearing
Speaker 10: a pretty dress on the red carpet? And that really
Speaker 10: messes with you when you're only twenty two.
Speaker 8: This is before the second album.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it was right when.
Speaker 1: I was about a record when you're worrying that you
Speaker 1: might become the establishment that you were.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's why my first single on Folklore is
Speaker 10: called Powerless where magically sign of the times.
Speaker 11: I asked me to sing it tomorrow on the Today Show.
Speaker 11: I was like, is this a typo?
Speaker 8: Do you think?
Speaker 11: Ris right?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 10: Do you know what I mean? Like people want to
Speaker 10: hear songs like Powerless now, which was a kind of
Speaker 10: like a protest song at the time. The first line says.
Speaker 6: I mean, look at the times we're living in those
Speaker 6: I know it's now, I think I know.
Speaker 10: But it's amazing to me that music can live on
Speaker 10: in that way and still inspire people. Because the first
Speaker 10: line says, paint my face in your magazines, make it
Speaker 10: look whiter than it seems. Paint me over with your dreams,
Speaker 10: shove away my ethnicity because this life is too short
Speaker 10: to live it just for you. But if you feel
Speaker 10: when you feel so powerless, what are.
Speaker 11: You going to do?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 11: Wait, I got to learn lyrics before tomorrow? Are you
Speaker 11: yeah gonna do?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 11: Say what you want?
Speaker 8: But is that true now?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 9: Really at some point somebody because you're a part of
Speaker 9: yeah sound, So somebody really came at you in a
Speaker 9: label type that.
Speaker 11: Way in photo shoots. Yeah, I felt like there was.
Speaker 10: An how do I say anglizations anglicization, Yeah, anglicization on me.
Speaker 10: I've always had olive skin, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10: I was aware of that because I grew up in
Speaker 10: a small town British colony.
Speaker 11: I was like the only ethnic kid in.
Speaker 10: My class in kindergarten, so it's all, you know, relative
Speaker 10: and then I and so by the time I was
Speaker 10: done with my first record and I was doing Powerless,
Speaker 10: I was like, well, what about who am I really?
Speaker 11: You know what I mean?
Speaker 10: Like, what what am I really about? And what do
Speaker 10: I want to say on this next record? So I
Speaker 10: started talking about the next record. I have a song
Speaker 10: called like Fresh off the Boat. You know, my parents
Speaker 10: are immigrants. I was born in Canada. I have a
Speaker 10: song called picture Perfect about my dad's like immigrant dream
Speaker 10: of like coming to Canada and how everything looks so
Speaker 10: good in the old seventies photographs when you look at it.
Speaker 11: So anyway, yeah, that's that's what happened. Yeah, sometimes I
Speaker 11: would feel, do you.
Speaker 10: Like there was a paradigm you needed to fit into
Speaker 10: At the time, I actually it didn't always match how
Speaker 10: I felt.
Speaker 11: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a theory about folklore, which is, you
Speaker 1: know how like Weezer fans will now swear by Pinkerton, right,
Speaker 1: like that's their picketon. I actually think that your your
Speaker 1: folklore could be your Pinkerton moment.
Speaker 3: Okay, because even though it again, you could.
Speaker 1: Tell that you were older, wiser, sort of cynical eyes
Speaker 1: even based on the album cover, because when I copped
Speaker 1: the record, that's the first thing I noticed. I love
Speaker 1: the fact that you've always kept your logo the same, right,
Speaker 1: But based on the album cover even I was like, oh, Nelly,
Speaker 1: it's serious here, like it's my tone, my face.
Speaker 10: Right, So I got little Nevus in my belly too
Speaker 10: a four months there.
Speaker 1: But also I also know that, I mean, what we
Speaker 1: also have in common is that, well both of us
Speaker 1: got shipped to Geffen.
Speaker 14: Oh my god, you were in that crazy well yeah,
Speaker 14: because every are before well we were on m c A.
Speaker 1: And when they announced in two thousand and three, like
Speaker 1: you know, we're getting ready of the following eleven.
Speaker 8: Labels, it was such a weird feeling.
Speaker 1: We all got shipped and it was like the racial draft.
Speaker 11: Like why is a cooler company buying me?
Speaker 3: It was the it was the racial draft of labels.
Speaker 3: All the black ones, all the black art is pretty
Speaker 3: much went over to Geffen, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was it was a weird process. Like
Speaker 1: doctor dre told Ah, I mean doctor Drake kind of
Speaker 1: kind of you know told uh uh president of Interscope
Speaker 1: to Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I told Jimmy like, Okay, here are the cool
Speaker 3: artists and wow, what Yeah.
Speaker 9: He comes through, Oh because he picked you. But I'm
Speaker 9: not you know what I'm saying, Like that's people who.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that Unfortunately, a lot of notable
Speaker 1: records got overlooked in the shift of getting to that moment.
Speaker 1: So I mean, how did you How did you personally feel,
Speaker 1: uh when that album sort of got lost in translation
Speaker 1: as far as the commercial.
Speaker 11: It was kind of weird because like I felt like,
Speaker 11: because I.
Speaker 10: Was like kind of playing guitar more songs and kind
Speaker 10: of being more I guess traditionally what you would see
Speaker 10: like more like a rock aesthetic, I felt like it
Speaker 10: wasn't accepted because people just wanted maybe that girl with
Speaker 10: the pigtails and like, you know, like the fun ethnic
Speaker 10: girl with whop dare bouncing around. It's like she was
Speaker 10: so happy. Why is she mad?
Speaker 8: Wait?
Speaker 10: Because Giuso Freako came at what point in.
Speaker 11: The early times?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 10: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean? That's
Speaker 10: how I organically fell. Just to be completely honest with you,
Speaker 10: I felt like, oh, I'm not allowed to be angry okay,
Speaker 10: Like I'm not allowed to like speak sing my truth.
Speaker 11: I'm not allowed to be more emo? Why you put it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 11: Why am I like you? It's that first feeling of like,
Speaker 11: oh shoot, I'm in a box.
Speaker 8: Oh shoot, you never blamed it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just kind of blame.
Speaker 11: It on like just people and perceptions.
Speaker 10: And luckily the album took off in some markets, thank god,
Speaker 10: it really took off established in other markets. Yeah, Like
Speaker 10: I think the song was number one in Canada and
Speaker 10: like Germany and some other places. And I've really felt
Speaker 10: the love on many levels, so it was okay. But yeah,
Speaker 10: in the US, I was kind of like, oh, well,
Speaker 10: I guess nobody wants to hear me singing about stuff
Speaker 10: I don't like and biting the hand that feeds.
Speaker 8: Are aren't we America. It's just weird interesting.
Speaker 10: I never really thought it was about the label folding.
Speaker 3: Really, maybe I was wrong. Maybe it helps.
Speaker 10: It helps A really good song Try could have maybe
Speaker 10: been on the radio.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it helps to have I don't
Speaker 1: know your label intact during the six or seven month it.
Speaker 10: Would have helped a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably because the same the same happened with Comic
Speaker 1: Electric Circus, and then the transition happened because.
Speaker 8: I was sitting here thinking of Electric Circus.
Speaker 9: That might have been Actually when Nelly thought about like
Speaker 9: Folklore was maybe a little bit of a the same thing.
Speaker 3: She released it and then dream Works sort of imploded.
Speaker 6: This was all happening simultaneously, but it's still a different project.
Speaker 9: So it's kind of like you'll never really feel like,
Speaker 9: you know, if it was a lefty type project and
Speaker 9: you know, no, you bring up.
Speaker 10: An important point because I think it's perception too, So
Speaker 10: you as an artist, you start to believe the hype
Speaker 10: of like that album wasn't as commercial and then you
Speaker 10: forget that wait a minute, label that other people to blame.
Speaker 11: I because people will say the same thing about Electric Circus.
Speaker 11: They won't remember that the.
Speaker 10: Label folded, they'll be like, oh, it's just a weird album, but.
Speaker 8: It wasn't right because they had it still had life
Speaker 8: in Oh.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I loved it. I mean but again, if for
Speaker 9: common core fans, it might.
Speaker 10: But then if wo Nellie never blew up, they could
Speaker 10: have been like, well Nellie, her debut was a little
Speaker 10: bit weird, so it never connected, you know what I'm
Speaker 10: trying to say. It's weird how that worked.
Speaker 8: But his second it.
Speaker 6: Is always weird when it don't sell, that's you know,
Speaker 6: it always get the weird title, you know, when it
Speaker 6: don't sell.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the thing was I think Well Nelly was
Speaker 1: I think the charm of will Nelly was the weirdness
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: It was a weird record. But this one was more focused.
Speaker 11: And yeah, it had more of a concept straight.
Speaker 3: Head, which really leads to.
Speaker 11: It was like an exploration of identity really.
Speaker 3: But that leads to when Loose came out, pay Dirt.
Speaker 4: What.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing something. My introduction to Loose though was
Speaker 3: when you did S N L and.
Speaker 8: Right and in like a brawl.
Speaker 9: It was seriously, I always showed my midriff on tour.
Speaker 10: You remember, I know you with Moby with like a
Speaker 10: bikini top on.
Speaker 3: You were.
Speaker 1: You were like hippie Nelly, like that's what I was
Speaker 1: used to. I seen it more than I've seen it
Speaker 1: in shoes. So what was okay?
Speaker 8: Did you feel I've never.
Speaker 10: Seen your feet and high heels. I saw them in sneakers.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sometimes you just walk around bears with your bare feedbackstage.
Speaker 3: But with loose was it just all systems go and
Speaker 3: let me just.
Speaker 9: I had to you said the internet, that's what you typed?
Speaker 10: No I did, Oh my god, that's so funny. No,
Speaker 10: but you're right. It's a far cry from like my
Speaker 10: like moon boots and crazy.
Speaker 11: Like raver pants the first time I did.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So why you.
Speaker 1: Mentioned why you mentioned that you you did work on
Speaker 1: the Get your Freak on uh remix?
Speaker 11: Was that full tomboy like, no, no.
Speaker 3: No, but that was?
Speaker 1: That was That was a crucial summit meeting between you
Speaker 1: and the Timberland group.
Speaker 14: It was, And everybody forgot about it because they were like,
Speaker 14: how did you meet Timbaland there.
Speaker 3: Was actually didn't forget about it. There was actually guys.
Speaker 3: You guys worked together.
Speaker 11: The hip hop people, they know what's going on.
Speaker 1: You guys, you worked with Timbling before before that remix
Speaker 1: though right a remix, I can't remix.
Speaker 10: We did three things before Loose like we did on
Speaker 10: the radio and Turn Off Light remix. We toured together
Speaker 10: on that tour.
Speaker 11: We toured together. He was he came on the road
Speaker 11: with Miss Jade for at least six or seven.
Speaker 3: Show I forgot about because I was on Tim j.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 10: So Jimmy Ivan actually told me to go work with
Speaker 10: Timberland again, and he's.
Speaker 3: Like, of course, why that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he was like, you know, you guys made a
Speaker 10: promise with the work you've done together and you haven't
Speaker 10: fulfilled on it. I think you should go to Miami.
Speaker 10: Timberland's in a really great creative space right now.
Speaker 11: And I was like sure.
Speaker 10: At that point, I had already worked with Pharrell, Scott Storge,
Speaker 10: Nellie Hooper in England. I was just like enjoying my
Speaker 10: record contract, flying around with my daughter recording recording with people.
Speaker 10: So I was like, okay, sure. And so because she's
Speaker 10: a toddler, you're not in school yet or anything and
Speaker 10: just having fun. So we flew to Miami and worked
Speaker 10: with tim first day Speaker caught Fire straight up. We
Speaker 10: did man Eater and the speaker caught fire.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's got to be a good sign, right, it
Speaker 3: sounds bad.
Speaker 1: Edi speakers caught on fire when Eddie van Halen did
Speaker 1: his solo and yeah, notable hits have had burning speakers.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's hair actually live on fire.
Speaker 3: Because the commercial was so hot, and.
Speaker 6: Cameron was actually covered by fire on the Confessions of Fire.
Speaker 3: Is it Everyone? So? So?
Speaker 1: And Eater was the first song you guys worked on. Yes,
Speaker 1: what is the process.
Speaker 11: Or was it glow?
Speaker 10: You know when you like got your a game on
Speaker 10: and you're like, I'm gonna pull out all the tricks.
Speaker 11: In this first session.
Speaker 10: You know, I'm gonna knock his socks off Timberland, timber
Speaker 10: Land and yeah. So I was all like, like, dorite
Speaker 10: his top with my vocals, like in this glow that's
Speaker 10: on the record, And then we did man Eater that
Speaker 10: same day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what is he one of those? Is he
Speaker 3: one of those?
Speaker 1: Is he one of those work from scratch producers or
Speaker 1: is it like.
Speaker 8: You like from dance?
Speaker 11: Yeah, work from dance.
Speaker 10: So if he's dancing and he's hearing the beat and
Speaker 10: his hand wants to do something different, like the body's
Speaker 10: missing something. He'll add a sound so that he can
Speaker 10: complete that physical, physical connection.
Speaker 1: First, and then it's figure out what it's all vibe.
Speaker 8: It's all vibe.
Speaker 11: He's I don't know, he's just powerful. He has this
Speaker 11: he has this connection. I don't know.
Speaker 10: It's neat and him and I were weird, like when
Speaker 10: we get together, we hardly see each other. I just
Speaker 10: saw him because he invited me to come, like meet
Speaker 10: some kids he was mentoring on a show called The
Speaker 10: Pop Game for HLN or something.
Speaker 11: I think, I hope that's a network. But we get
Speaker 11: together we like old people like we talk. We talk
Speaker 11: about life, death, love, marriage, divorced.
Speaker 10: We talk about big things. There's no small talk with Timberland.
Speaker 10: Timberland doesn't do small talk, and right, you don't. Yeah, no,
Speaker 10: tim doesn't do small talk. So it's the same approach
Speaker 10: to music.
Speaker 11: There's no small talk. It's either good or it's over
Speaker 11: and I don't care, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 11: either popping.
Speaker 10: It's either I'm moving and I'm loving it or forgot
Speaker 10: lost interest, you know, So you're constantly trying to get
Speaker 10: his interest back when you're writing.
Speaker 11: So it's like all right.
Speaker 10: You did feel like you're like at the World Series.
Speaker 11: And you gotta like, you know, you gotta knock it
Speaker 11: out of the park.
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're building a song from scratch, yeah,
Speaker 1: which I imagine.
Speaker 11: He came up with the cadence the flow for man Eater.
Speaker 10: He was like.
Speaker 3: About and roses at all was welcome to the Jungle.
Speaker 10: And then I wrote the hook, and then he wrote
Speaker 10: the cadence for that, and then I I wrote the
Speaker 10: lyrics okay, and then we had an amazing vocal producer
Speaker 10: named Jim Beans in there, and he was just coming
Speaker 10: up with really cool like harmonies and things like say
Speaker 10: it right.
Speaker 11: Half the reason it's cool is because there's all those
Speaker 11: little from about it, I can tell you.
Speaker 10: You know, like all those little like calling responses, right,
Speaker 10: That's what I think it takes it to the next level.
Speaker 10: We were watching a Pink Foyd movie that day when
Speaker 10: we did say it right. I put an alien effect
Speaker 10: on my voice to inspire myself, and then you're just
Speaker 10: kind of like, mmm, you know, just started singing that
Speaker 10: and then uh yeah, him and I just kind of
Speaker 10: just like.
Speaker 3: Ping pong, you know, in that type.
Speaker 10: But Nate Danjehans was in that session, like Nate Hills,
Speaker 10: who's an incredible programmer and producer. Yes, so, and that
Speaker 10: was early days when they just started working together. This
Speaker 10: is before right before they did justin Timberlake's album. We
Speaker 10: had finished our album.
Speaker 3: So okay, Well, in that type of collaboration process.
Speaker 1: Where it's it's you and him Loan working and with
Speaker 1: danger as well, and you're kind of building this Jenga
Speaker 1: game piece. Has there ever been a time where you
Speaker 1: build something and the idea doesn't work? Like how do
Speaker 1: you stingule? Or is it just everything you work on
Speaker 1: adjust it until it works. Because usually, like in a
Speaker 1: band scenario like if I'm if we're if me and
Speaker 1: the guys are playing a groove and maybe it could
Speaker 1: stay out to forty five minutes, or I could clearly
Speaker 1: see that the client isn't feeling this, then I'll just
Speaker 1: throw it away and then we'll start all over again.
Speaker 1: But because of the intricacy of Timberland's production, you know,
Speaker 1: does every song have to be take no prisoners?
Speaker 3: Like yeah, does it have to.
Speaker 1: Be finished to completion or do you have like five
Speaker 1: songs that we worked on that didn't make the record
Speaker 1: and you know, it is just sitting in.
Speaker 10: The him and I had a really cool experience with
Speaker 10: Loose because every single song we made was on the album.
Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to know. Everything made it. It
Speaker 3: was nothing left over.
Speaker 10: Okay, there were two things that didn't end up getting completed.
Speaker 10: One was a song I started with justin Timberlake and
Speaker 10: it was called crowd Control, but that was late in
Speaker 10: the game because I was almost done. And then there
Speaker 10: was like a song that some other weird song. I
Speaker 10: just remember it feeling like a Shakira song. I don't
Speaker 10: remember what it was, but it was like it just
Speaker 10: had that feel, but I did. We never finished it,
Speaker 10: and then we just it just fell to the wayside,
Speaker 10: you know. But it was very potent our time together
Speaker 10: in that particular wave and we just finished all the
Speaker 10: songs all in the same section of time.
Speaker 3: Now, did you feel.
Speaker 10: Nervous And it's like we couldn't make a bad song
Speaker 10: at that time or something.
Speaker 11: It was weird.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's easy to be in the zone.
Speaker 10: And at the time, I like kids met too, you know,
Speaker 10: because like Chris Martin from Coldplay was in town, so
Speaker 10: we invited him. I knew him Timblin did not know
Speaker 10: him but admired him and was from a big Coldplay
Speaker 10: wave at the time. I invited Chris In and he
Speaker 10: wrote the hook All Good Things Come to an End
Speaker 10: would end up being a huge hit around the world.
Speaker 3: Really, uh huh okay, okay.
Speaker 10: So things like that happened too, Like it was just
Speaker 10: a wave. It was just a moment were.
Speaker 1: You at all worried about not the label, but in
Speaker 1: terms of your original, everyone has their original. In my case,
Speaker 1: it's almost like the barbershop theory. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you ever have the your barbershop thoughts, like
Speaker 1: Tarik has barbershop thoughts.
Speaker 3: This verse. I got to face the.
Speaker 1: Dudes in the barbershop when I do this verse, which
Speaker 1: is like yeah, his his sounding his soundboy his which
Speaker 1: could be an okay thing and sometimes can also be
Speaker 1: a handicap.
Speaker 3: And I see it more as a handicap than anything.
Speaker 3: What why is it a handicap for you?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 1: I see it because it's a handicap because if your
Speaker 1: initial say, if her crew of six has those thoughts
Speaker 1: about if that's echoing in her head, like yo, don't
Speaker 1: make shit on the radio or keep it real or
Speaker 1: what you know, whatever music fans be like, you know
Speaker 1: the side I am ready for you?
Speaker 3: Are you thinking? Yo? What is my.
Speaker 1: Original crew back at home going to think when I
Speaker 1: drop this record with Timberland, which has the potential to
Speaker 1: sell gajillions, which it did. I mean, but it's also
Speaker 1: a risk because it's such a one eighty from how
Speaker 1: you started, Like, were you worried at all?
Speaker 10: I was really just kind of would loose? I just
Speaker 10: kind of well two things. I came up with the
Speaker 10: title loose about two years before I got in a
Speaker 10: studio with Timlin. I wanted to make a more broad
Speaker 10: project because I found that my early material didn't translate
Speaker 10: well to larger arena festival shows because of the sounds.
Speaker 10: So I really dreamed of playing arenas with a broader
Speaker 10: sounding album.
Speaker 11: So I wanted to also prove.
Speaker 10: To myself that I could make a big, shiny pop
Speaker 10: album like any other pop star. And I just set
Speaker 10: myself to that challenge because I'm real challenge motivated. So
Speaker 10: I just set that goal for myself.
Speaker 11: I was like, I want to make something huge.
Speaker 3: I admire that shit because.
Speaker 11: To see if I can do it, you know.
Speaker 1: I admire it because I know that most people, especially
Speaker 1: that are hip hop based, are so again, so at
Speaker 1: least my generation was so keep it real and anti.
Speaker 11: Pop that well, then I knew I could do it
Speaker 11: in a way that I still loved.
Speaker 3: Right, But I'm saying that I think it's actually.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think pop is is noble, which
Speaker 1: I know it's weird to say. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm the world's biggest tailors with fan, but
Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, I respect her steez, it's
Speaker 1: like kind of like a fifty million of his fans
Speaker 1: can't be wrong with anything.
Speaker 3: Not even that, not even that. No, no, no, no, not
Speaker 3: even that.
Speaker 1: It's just that I feel like with pop music, it's
Speaker 1: hard to write a song that millions and millions and
Speaker 1: millions of people all feel is great.
Speaker 3: At the same time, I think it's harder to.
Speaker 10: Like.
Speaker 1: Okay, some of the producers that we've interviewed on the
Speaker 1: show have made some of their best work with limited materials.
Speaker 10: Oh hell yeah, and then or even with.
Speaker 1: Like prints or whatever. Like, when you have limited materials,
Speaker 1: you're your most creative, But when you're giving the world
Speaker 1: then suddenly like results here, if he's best I think
Speaker 1: it's harder to write simple pop songs.
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1: If again, I always say, like for Nazi's Water, like
Speaker 1: eleven minutes, I had the whole diagram out. Okay, so
Speaker 1: minute number seven, we're gonna go, you know, free jazz here,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to pans left and right and
Speaker 1: do all this crazy ship. I could do ship like
Speaker 1: that my sleep. I could never do a three minutes.
Speaker 6: It's like you could just throw colors up against the
Speaker 6: canvas and call the ship abstract. But it's harder to
Speaker 6: draw a perfect circle.
Speaker 8: You know what I mean, A pop on by accident.
Speaker 3: No, but there's a there's a beauty of the simplicity.
Speaker 3: It's all math.
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to ship. It's hard to be disciplined.
Speaker 1: It's hard to be disciplined. It's hard to bullseye something
Speaker 1: that can can translate to millions.
Speaker 10: But I will I willn't want you.
Speaker 3: I was just saying.
Speaker 6: I do think once you find out what that formula is,
Speaker 6: it's easy to replicate it though, like if you, but
Speaker 6: the hard thing is finding it.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, and cared about it because
Speaker 8: you know it, but you just don't feel like doing it.
Speaker 8: Sometimes that is true.
Speaker 9: I think that's the time you always give us a
Speaker 9: girl record. On the Roots album, we talked about like
Speaker 9: you but no.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing though, I think the misperception, especially
Speaker 1: with the Roots, is that, oh, you guys are artists.
Speaker 1: You don't want to sell, you don't want to get radio.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do it.
Speaker 10: But you knew Water was not going to be a
Speaker 10: pop record. No.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I know how to do what I do well, which
Speaker 1: is the opposite. But until I became a DJ in
Speaker 1: the last five years and really understand what people respond to,
Speaker 1: now I know what the answer is.
Speaker 3: I still don't know if I know. No, I don't
Speaker 3: know how.
Speaker 1: To execute it. But I'm just saying that I know
Speaker 1: what the answer is now. Back then, I thought, hey,
Speaker 1: just put a girl on the hook, then it will
Speaker 1: be a hit. No, man, so much more.
Speaker 6: Than there's so much of its image, and I think
Speaker 6: and like lifestyle because I mean, it's not really you're
Speaker 6: selling the music like you're selling the lifestyle. You're selling
Speaker 6: you know, it's like some kind of colder personality shit, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, it's way different now, yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta be a personality.
Speaker 3: Four your even talented.
Speaker 6: So it's yeah, because like I could make a future record,
Speaker 6: but like I'm a dad of two.
Speaker 8: I mean not the futures, but he's the dad of six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, who's gonna believe that?
Speaker 3: Shit's like, no, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Well let me ask, because by that time you had
Speaker 1: a daughter, Like, yeah, I did change you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, a few things, like I feel like, okay, So
Speaker 10: my inspiration for Luis was definitely like I look to
Speaker 10: albums like Madonna Ray of Light, right, it was pop,
Speaker 10: but it had so much artistry and direction, and it
Speaker 10: had a sheen and a kind of mystery too to it,
Speaker 10: I thought.
Speaker 11: And then Janet Jackson's album when she came out as Janet,
Speaker 11: when she had the photo with someone holding her one behind.
Speaker 10: I was so inspired by that album as a I
Speaker 10: guess fourteen fifteen year old. My friends and I they
Speaker 10: called us the Janets, who all had very curly, long hair,
Speaker 10: and I really wanted Loose to be like my Janet album.
Speaker 10: I did, and it was yeah, my version right, vanilla
Speaker 10: version and yeah, and so with Promiscuous, I had trepidations.
Speaker 10: I was like, wow, I've never sang a song like
Speaker 10: this before.
Speaker 1: But well, I'll say you sold it well because when
Speaker 1: I saw SNL, I was like, whoa, I I hardly
Speaker 1: knew you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you must have been like that because you had
Speaker 10: known me like real early days.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no, it's not even criticism. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I'm with this.
Speaker 10: But it came for my heart because I always I
Speaker 10: did grow up in R and B and hip hop music,
Speaker 10: so for me, it was very natural to sing that way.
Speaker 10: It was very natural to sing that type of music.
Speaker 10: You know, it was in my heart. So I just
Speaker 10: you know what I really think it is. I think
Speaker 10: my musical vocabulary is large, so that's why I can't.
Speaker 10: I don't fit into a box. And every album is
Speaker 10: different because I just I didn't like to speak the
Speaker 10: language in different ways, the music music language. You know,
Speaker 10: when you grow up playing instruments, you play the black
Speaker 10: notes on a page, like there's no genre. You know,
Speaker 10: it should be a democratic thing. I think music, you.
Speaker 9: Know, do you feel freedom in that because you know,
Speaker 9: a lot of artists don't really have that at the
Speaker 9: end of it, like some people would want to do
Speaker 9: other things. But I feel like what you you can
Speaker 9: do so many things because you're not in a box.
Speaker 9: But do you feel that privilege in that way?
Speaker 10: I guess so, because I don't know how to do
Speaker 10: it any other way, Like I don't know how to
Speaker 10: adhere to a genre. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 10: I don't I don't know what that is.
Speaker 11: You know what I mean?
Speaker 10: Or if I did know, I would get bored after
Speaker 10: doing it once. I get so bored, I get bored.
Speaker 10: It's pretty much, that's all it is. I'm just very
Speaker 10: curious person. I'm just led by my curiosity, and if
Speaker 10: I can be interested in something, then I'll do it,
Speaker 10: you know. But if I have no interest, I just can't.
Speaker 10: I just can't do it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: The success of Loose was really impressed in it, Like
Speaker 1: did you expect, especially coming off of Folklore, was just like,
Speaker 1: let me throw the spaghetti on the wall and see
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 11: There's nothing to lose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But then sudden it's like, I mean, twelve million
Speaker 3: is done in the sky fit.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 1: So at the height of the madness of you surpassing
Speaker 1: even your debut record, I mean, what was what was
Speaker 1: it like? Suddenly like especially when you having to be
Speaker 1: an artist, having to be a mommy, ye, having to
Speaker 1: be a songwriter at like wearing all these hats.
Speaker 3: Where does that? You know? What does ten million feel like?
Speaker 3: At the height of the madness?
Speaker 11: It was exhausting.
Speaker 10: I was so tired because I was traveling with my
Speaker 10: daughter around the world.
Speaker 3: I took for two years, right, two years.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Like I toured like I was making the record
Speaker 10: when I made Loose, she had she was almost two.
Speaker 10: Who were you on tour with at the time or
Speaker 10: who were well, okay, so I made the record. Then
Speaker 10: it was like, I guess she was three when I
Speaker 10: brought her on the road, because by the time we
Speaker 10: went on the road, I was just like three, three years,
Speaker 10: four years old anyway, So I was really tired.
Speaker 11: I was on the road.
Speaker 10: It was amazing because I got to play these arena
Speaker 10: shows that I dreamed of. Right, it was like, ooh,
Speaker 10: these songs sound great in an arena. This is cool,
Speaker 10: and I'll fit in all the old songs too, and
Speaker 10: it was like really fun. But yeah, it's a lot
Speaker 10: of pressure because this is okay, this is what I
Speaker 10: will tell you. And I sympathize when I see pop
Speaker 10: stars with these huge careers because I know what they're
Speaker 10: really thinking, and what they're really thinking is, wow, I
Speaker 10: had two number ones. Why was my third single not
Speaker 10: number one? I feel like a failure. I have an
Speaker 10: arena tour. Why isn't Hamburg sold out? I have a
Speaker 10: sold out arena tour. Why didn't we sell out Hamburg
Speaker 10: and Munich?
Speaker 1: So you're one of the people that if one hundred
Speaker 1: people love if ninety nine people in the room love you,
Speaker 1: you only care about the one that's like indifferent.
Speaker 10: It's the nature of the business because all business models
Speaker 10: are based on growth in Yeah, So that's the problem
Speaker 10: with the music business is because you can never stay
Speaker 10: on top. So it's like you're on top and all
Speaker 10: your worsorried about and every single person who's number one
Speaker 10: right now, all they're worried about is is this album
Speaker 10: gonna hit? Is this gonna hit?
Speaker 13: Like?
Speaker 11: Am I gonna like?
Speaker 9: That?
Speaker 10: Never goes away? Like I was at a sting concert
Speaker 10: and like somewhere strange like Latvia ended up there because
Speaker 10: I had a show and he saw me. Was he
Speaker 10: going to his car and goes, oh, thank god, I
Speaker 10: didn't know you were here. I would have been so nervous,
Speaker 10: and I'm thinking you're saying it's never good enough for
Speaker 10: these habitative artists. If you're still that nerd who like
Speaker 10: nobody likes me, you do it's not crazy, it's so weird,
Speaker 10: or you're worried that you don't have credibility, or you're
Speaker 10: worried so that the Peanut Gallery doesn't like you anymore,
Speaker 10: because it's like you know what I'm saying, like you're
Speaker 10: it's always somebody to prove something to. It's never there
Speaker 10: is no yellow bricks people to keep me in line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no that's why. But no, no, no, that that happens
Speaker 1: a lot. Like you'll you'll find out that you do
Speaker 1: your best shows ever in obscure towns that you know,
Speaker 1: industry people weren't watching you totally. Like have you ever
Speaker 1: had a really really good LA show, really good New
Speaker 1: York show?
Speaker 10: A handful, you know, Columbia.
Speaker 8: It's like.
Speaker 11: With us, I can remember maybe one.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it's it's always a fail.
Speaker 1: But yet you know, Montana the best show ever because yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's no pressure of of of.
Speaker 3: People watching you.
Speaker 1: You know, the people there are actually want to be there,
Speaker 1: they're trying to be seen waits.
Speaker 10: The other thing, when you have radio singles, you think
Speaker 10: people are just there to be cool, and they're just
Speaker 10: there because your thing is the cool.
Speaker 11: Thing to do that night.
Speaker 10: It's very different than when you have an album that's
Speaker 10: less successful and you know everybody who's there they actually
Speaker 10: want to be there, not because the radio had commercial.
Speaker 10: Your friend invited you. You like my outfit in the video.
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying, because it's real stuff. It's
Speaker 10: real stuff you think about.
Speaker 3: So okay, so how do you have you think?
Speaker 8: I'm don't what is she?
Speaker 9: Because I'm on I was on the other side of
Speaker 9: radio for the last years, so I'm just really thinking
Speaker 9: about it in an artist way.
Speaker 8: I never thought about that, like.
Speaker 10: It's true everything it makes perfect okay, cool, Okay.
Speaker 3: I think you're crazy.
Speaker 12: If you try to workshop, that would be good.
Speaker 3: You would fit writing at the songwriting workshop. I want
Speaker 3: to see one of these Montana Root shows. What anyway? No,
Speaker 3: so with with uh?
Speaker 10: But that's so self defeating. It's a horrible attitude to
Speaker 10: be like they're only here because because they're they're following
Speaker 10: a wave.
Speaker 9: That't mean I don't think that happens though you don't
Speaker 9: come out the house just because your outfit was keeping
Speaker 9: it in the video you come out the house at
Speaker 9: least out like.
Speaker 3: One to two songs like it totally happens. It does,
Speaker 3: it does, and the thing is Okay.
Speaker 11: An obscure way to look at it.
Speaker 1: But if your breakout, if your true breakout arena album
Speaker 1: is your third record, and you know you had some
Speaker 1: heat on the first, like how do you if you
Speaker 1: have a lot of broth and.
Speaker 3: Very little chicken?
Speaker 1: Yeah meat, did you ever have moments where you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well yeah, a lot of strange uh now yeah right,
Speaker 1: so good on the radio broth.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I'm just saying that.
Speaker 1: If you're there because you know, a particular fan is
Speaker 1: really there for permit, like oh, they're going to come
Speaker 1: in line when I start whatever, then it's like how
Speaker 1: do you pace your show?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 3: Like okay, well you want to get the die hards
Speaker 3: and the news.
Speaker 10: It's hard. You know what I used to do on
Speaker 10: the Looster, I'd play parties just begun this track from
Speaker 10: my first album, it's like that he's just big gun
Speaker 10: and I do this whole like you know, yeah, like
Speaker 10: this like Dodgy, did I do this whole? Like vocal
Speaker 10: percussion thing, and that kind of got my jolly's off
Speaker 10: in that song. Like I was like, Okay, I'm being
Speaker 10: artistic in this song, and any of my old fans
Speaker 10: might know this one.
Speaker 11: And I enjoyed all that.
Speaker 10: I love playing that role. I love putting on the
Speaker 10: fancy ball gown and singing show time like it was fun,
Speaker 10: but it was fun times. I enjoy it all. It's
Speaker 10: fun learning a new skill. It's fun learning how to
Speaker 10: act on stage and do choreography.
Speaker 11: And that was cool.
Speaker 8: I liked it.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Oh, wait a minute, Wait a minute. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just had a moment. I just had
Speaker 1: a moment that I totally forgot about. Okay, damn, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm about to have a Liya moment. Okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm also going to mirror it up because I
Speaker 1: gotta be sort of ambiguous with the question.
Speaker 3: I love these because I don't want to be.
Speaker 8: He's still disclaiming, yeah, there's a lot of yeah.
Speaker 3: I can be more preface than it is. Yea question,
Speaker 3: we understand. This is the safe.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you really hit TLC? No, I'm playing, I'm
Speaker 1: playing playing. That was as your question whoa, Okay, I
Speaker 1: have a question about give it to me?
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, yeah, Now we know.
Speaker 1: Who Timberland was busting shots at the purple guy that
Speaker 1: was that was Justin. That was oh Justin Oh and
Speaker 1: tim Old Timberland particularly yea, that was a.
Speaker 3: Scott st and we know that Justin was.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're just laying all the team because because people listen,
Speaker 1: they don't know all the Give it to Me was
Speaker 1: just just don't.
Speaker 3: Established this show as a common denominator.
Speaker 6: All right, But everybody asked listener context. So Justin was
Speaker 6: talking about Prince Timberland, was this Scott Storage.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a questions? Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question? And we don't have to mention the name.
Speaker 11: A disclaimer, no, my disclaimers. Let me just say it
Speaker 11: was like at the.
Speaker 10: End of the movie, it's like the thoughts and feelings
Speaker 10: of the artists not reflect the artists because like I,
Speaker 10: nobody we recorded the verses separately. I was there to
Speaker 10: help write the hook, right, and I wrote my verse,
Speaker 10: but I was not present when Justin recorded his verse,
Speaker 10: and I was not present when Timberland recorded his.
Speaker 1: Wait, that's not that first question. My question is just yes,
Speaker 1: or no, yeah, were you bucking a shot at someone.
Speaker 3: In your verse? I was okay, no, I'm not even
Speaker 3: gonna go. I'm also here's the thing, though.
Speaker 10: Though I was egged on in the studio and I
Speaker 10: want the name names, it wasn't necessarily timbling.
Speaker 11: Secondly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: Secondly, I told you here's.
Speaker 10: The bad story because we made up.
Speaker 11: We've made up because there's but I was honest with
Speaker 11: her about it when she I was hired.
Speaker 1: I was hired by that person to do their birthday party.
Speaker 1: Oh and I didn't know nothing about this.
Speaker 8: Played the record?
Speaker 10: Who is it?
Speaker 3: Dude? Did I play the record? I don't know who
Speaker 3: it is? Who?
Speaker 7: Twice?
Speaker 8: No, he's given us context clues.
Speaker 3: This is like how many years ago was it? Like?
Speaker 1: No, no, no status of limitations. I'm establishing a precedence
Speaker 1: of the show that I'm not. I'm not throwing people
Speaker 1: under the bus.
Speaker 3: The history.
Speaker 1: I will tell you off air, I will tell you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This is where I got a quest of
Speaker 1: supreme moment. I got set the press. Anyway, I was
Speaker 1: hired by this particular person to do their birthday party,
Speaker 1: not knowing the history of the song.
Speaker 3: And this is just when the ship came out.
Speaker 1: So this was like usually my first five records, two
Speaker 1: thirds records is going to be the song of the moment.
Speaker 1: And I played this ship and god damn, the whole
Speaker 1: party just looked at me and ran up to me
Speaker 1: like are you crazy? And I was like huh. And
Speaker 1: then finally the person came to me and someone explains.
Speaker 1: Someone explained to me, and then I was.
Speaker 3: I just just silently took the record off and put
Speaker 3: Billy Gene on.
Speaker 8: We made up.
Speaker 10: We made up at Princess Diana's memorial show at Wembley
Speaker 10: Arena in London, England.
Speaker 11: That it was a beautiful moment.
Speaker 3: I'm glad right now, I'm thinking about the man.
Speaker 11: Making a this song.
Speaker 10: Ever, it's bad karma, Bad Karma came back. Yeah, it's
Speaker 10: bad karma, bad karma.
Speaker 3: Wait, what do you mean it came back?
Speaker 10: Well, it was a number one song, so at first
Speaker 10: you're like kid, you know, and it was fine, you know,
Speaker 10: like the hook, you know this that's just like the
Speaker 10: little things we said in our verses.
Speaker 11: But like we didn't need to do that.
Speaker 10: We could have probably done it without it being like that,
Speaker 10: Like that was just a subplot and you didn't even
Speaker 10: know about it when you played it at the show, and.
Speaker 3: I regret it. I don't think i've touched nextivity fading out.
Speaker 10: It's never a good thing, but you know, it was
Speaker 10: a good experience. It was a good experience, and I
Speaker 10: was I was, I guess, as honorable as one could
Speaker 10: be doing that type of thing. Like she asked me
Speaker 10: about it to my face at an event, and I
Speaker 10: actually said, yes, it is, and.
Speaker 1: This is why you're so polite though I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: I say, that's awfully considered of you.
Speaker 10: And she didn't agree, and she didn't agree with what
Speaker 10: I said.
Speaker 3: With the lyrics if you don't know, but it was fine.
Speaker 11: We kind of worked it out, like.
Speaker 3: I think we can talk.
Speaker 10: Have you ever publicly talked about this, not really detailed? No, Actually,
Speaker 10: oh my god.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be on my own show.
Speaker 8: We're not. We're talking about history.
Speaker 1: If I bring up the Holocaust and it's only.
Speaker 9: The womanly thing that was interested that you admitted that
Speaker 9: it was your fault.
Speaker 11: No, well, I think so there was no real reason
Speaker 11: for me to just go for the writer.
Speaker 10: And do that.
Speaker 3: It's like it would she was continuing.
Speaker 11: My creativity is all it was.
Speaker 10: But it was like as if I need my creativity
Speaker 10: or that's how I saw it, and I might have
Speaker 10: been wrong about the things I was kind of thought
Speaker 10: the things that motivated it, and she kind of also
Speaker 10: like explained that, and and it was still kind of
Speaker 10: heated at that moment, but we made up, which was
Speaker 10: so beautiful.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we made up.
Speaker 3: Let's move on a listeners.
Speaker 1: Know if we can, if we can talk the listeners Google,
Speaker 1: if we are listeners, we can talk to Prodigy about
Speaker 1: the jay z Beef, how about all of it, because
Speaker 1: the world knows there was a prodigy Jayson.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna tell you I googled Nelly for childle Beef
Speaker 9: and her name was came up immediately.
Speaker 3: Listeners, do that.
Speaker 11: I just don't want to say I went down beef
Speaker 11: lane again. You know, I learned my lesson.
Speaker 3: You've been down beef lane. I just want to talk
Speaker 3: about the Holocaust.
Speaker 6: The Holocaust question why that was a man unnamed dictator.
Speaker 3: A little mustache. Yeah, we don't want to say his
Speaker 3: name because you know, we don't want to ruffle Lady
Speaker 3: feathers or bring up you know.
Speaker 8: Google it, but Google, just compare that.
Speaker 3: I'm taking my show back, dammit, Nell?
Speaker 10: Did this originate from you watching some old Wild Orchid videos? Wow?
Speaker 8: No, okay, I liked it.
Speaker 10: I liked Wild Orches.
Speaker 8: Okay, can we stop pretty?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I really regret. Move on, Move on, please, Hitler,
Speaker 3: this is so funny. Can we please?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 3: I feel like you're the most proudest of this record.
Speaker 10: I love that record well because it's hard to like
Speaker 10: sing like properly in another language. I mean, when I
Speaker 10: was little, I learned Portuguese. First Spanish came easily by
Speaker 10: like grade nine. I guess I was fourteen when I
Speaker 10: started to learn Spanish. When I came out with Wonelly,
Speaker 10: this amazing artist from Columbia named Juans invited me to
Speaker 10: sing on this song that became an international hit called Photographia.
Speaker 10: So it was a big song, big duet, and uh.
Speaker 10: After that, I just kind of got embraced by like
Speaker 10: the Latin community, and so I decided to do a
Speaker 10: full album in Spanish.
Speaker 11: But I did it, did it.
Speaker 10: It wasn't translations. It was like I had had the
Speaker 10: opportunity to do like a translations album of loose, but
Speaker 10: I wasn't feeling it.
Speaker 11: So I waited till I.
Speaker 10: Could do it right. I hooked up with a great
Speaker 10: co writer named Alex Cuba who's based in Toronto, and
Speaker 10: we started a Spanish album in the snow in Toronto,
Speaker 10: and it ended up way bigger than I ever thought
Speaker 10: because all these artists really just joined on to the
Speaker 10: you know, onto the project and it featured seven or
Speaker 10: eight really great collaborations and.
Speaker 3: My favorite Salon Salam I love Salon.
Speaker 10: Do you guys ever get together?
Speaker 8: Here?
Speaker 1: He is currently working on the never Ending Roots album
Speaker 1: that you know.
Speaker 11: I didn't know that he's on the project with you.
Speaker 3: That's where Yeah, I love that guy.
Speaker 10: I loved them so much, even like he embraced the
Speaker 10: opportunity to do Spanish records, you know, so we worked
Speaker 10: on that.
Speaker 8: Why not Portuguese? Just curious because that's your first.
Speaker 10: I know, see, there's me again doing idiosynocratic right. Everybody
Speaker 10: asks me.
Speaker 11: That, They're like, why why not Portuguese?
Speaker 10: And I'm just like, I don't know. I started. I
Speaker 10: like Latin pop market and if I did Portuguese would
Speaker 10: probably be more BOUTIQUI like foto.
Speaker 9: Music or something, because they don't get nominated for Latin Grammys.
Speaker 8: And does that anything they do.
Speaker 10: Actually to make matters more confusing. So like Laudapusy needs Italian.
Speaker 10: She's won a Latin Grammy. Catanavoso is Brazilia and he's
Speaker 10: won a Latin Grammy. It's kind of broad the whole genre.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 10: Portuguese is Hispanic on the US census form, very confusing,
Speaker 10: very confusing, very confusing. And so I decided to sing
Speaker 10: a Latin pop album kind of like a very inspired
Speaker 10: by like rock and Espanol stuff like that.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 10: Juliet To Venegas, she co wrote a couple of tracks.
Speaker 10: She's a Mexican artist. Had a rapper named Mala la
Speaker 10: Malaro Diriga.
Speaker 11: She's from Spain.
Speaker 10: I had like a proper Mexican run cheryld singer ale
Speaker 10: Jhandro Fernandez Flamenco. I really went there with it. I
Speaker 10: had fun with it, and I collaborated a lot, and honestly,
Speaker 10: the Latin world, the Latin world of music is far
Speaker 10: larger than I ever imagined, and it was welcoming. I
Speaker 10: felt a sense of community that I really really, really.
Speaker 1: Really I was about to say, did you go to
Speaker 1: the Latin Grammys, and like, how did you feel in
Speaker 1: that community?
Speaker 10: Amazing really yeah I did.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I felt.
Speaker 10: I don't know, it was I all felt humbled by
Speaker 10: it too, right, because yeah, here I am this English
Speaker 10: singer and then I decided to make a Spanish album
Speaker 10: and it gets embraced. So it was like, wow, I
Speaker 10: feel very lucky. But I also feel indebted to the
Speaker 10: artists have collaborated with, like oness Right, it takes people
Speaker 10: to kind of bring you in, right, like with any genre, right, yeah,
Speaker 10: you need.
Speaker 3: Somebody to vouch for you spante. He's like, right, not
Speaker 3: not right now, mother, I arrive with a squad in
Speaker 3: good times in bad time.
Speaker 7: Sing this song.
Speaker 10: Josh Grobin's on my Spanish album, so he like, I
Speaker 10: want to sing in Spanish and I was like great,
Speaker 10: I sent him the song and well no, I invited
Speaker 10: him and he said, oh, that would be a good
Speaker 10: opportunity and he's sang. So it was both of us
Speaker 10: like singing the Spanish song together.
Speaker 9: But YO, forgive me for asking this question because I'm
Speaker 9: about to go listen to that album but I haven't
Speaker 9: are there Yeah, is there are there any like samba
Speaker 9: s Boston Nova type influence?
Speaker 11: I really going the samba?
Speaker 9: Sorry, yeah, not really.
Speaker 10: The closest thing. There's a Flamenco song there's like a
Speaker 10: real like like a Salam did that track. That's my favorite.
Speaker 10: I think that's by the best track. It's called Strong
Speaker 10: and Concha is this amazing Flamenco singer with this really throaty,
Speaker 10: powerful voice. She's uh, she's amazing.
Speaker 3: Wait. Salam also worked on the next Joe to a Spirit.
Speaker 10: In Salam and I did a song called Something which
Speaker 10: features nos and Uh. Another track that Salam did on
Speaker 10: Spirit was Oh, he did more than one that ended
Speaker 10: up on the record. He did some B sides too,
Speaker 10: and did a lot together Rodney Jerkins.
Speaker 8: Yeah, dark Child, let me.
Speaker 10: Tell you what was dark amazing. I'll tell you what
Speaker 10: he does. You want to know?
Speaker 3: And how many Michael Jackson stories did you get to hear?
Speaker 11: This is what he's like when you write with him.
Speaker 10: So he'll sit behind the keyboard and he looks at
Speaker 10: you when he's writing, so he'll be like.
Speaker 3: It'll be really he's like a doctor.
Speaker 10: And he's like he's moving and he's looking in your
Speaker 10: eyes while he's writing. And I loved working with Rodney. Actually,
Speaker 10: Rodney is a very good vocal arranger.
Speaker 11: As we all know.
Speaker 10: He produced say my Name. He produced the Boy is
Speaker 10: Mine like Hello, and it wasn't until I was in
Speaker 10: a studio. I walked around and I had this crazy
Speaker 10: moment where I realized he had produced all my favorite
Speaker 10: nineties R and B records, and that's why we did
Speaker 10: the song big Hoops and we referenced all my favorite
Speaker 10: nineties artists on that song. Because I don't know, I
Speaker 10: guess I was in that energy. It was the last
Speaker 10: record I made with Innerscope, and I actually I don't know.
Speaker 10: There was a bit of pressure to make something big
Speaker 10: and bouncy again because it was my next English project
Speaker 10: after Loose, But I was just having fun. Like Rodney
Speaker 10: and I had a genuine connection. We had genuine connection
Speaker 10: and vibe together. I did enjoy making that album.
Speaker 1: As well, which leads us to the right now. The
Speaker 1: thing is when I saw the cover. When I saw
Speaker 1: the cover to the Ride, I was like, why did
Speaker 1: you drop your logo? Who designed your logo? I'm a
Speaker 1: font nerd by the way.
Speaker 11: So I know.
Speaker 9: Do you know?
Speaker 10: It's like a sacred geometry logo and my friend from
Speaker 10: It's called Create. It's like a media company and I'm trying,
Speaker 10: I know, and they did. Yeah, they did a new
Speaker 10: logo for me, and it's basically based on all this
Speaker 10: like mathematical equations of like space and angles and stuff
Speaker 10: like that, and I just really liked. I know, I
Speaker 10: get so bored to.
Speaker 3: Drop your your classic psychedelic logo.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 10: I just got so sick of seeing that big old
Speaker 10: thing on every cover, Like I was like, not a game.
Speaker 10: But it's like I just looked like I had all
Speaker 10: the same album cover every time.
Speaker 11: Like I was just like, oh, here's this.
Speaker 10: I know, but I'm independent now, so I don't care,
Speaker 10: and I'm just like, whatever do that.
Speaker 3: I know. It's just.
Speaker 1: It's just so rare as as a lover of record collecting,
Speaker 1: it's so rare to find product with good consistent logo
Speaker 1: with history Like Earth has their consistent logo, Chicago.
Speaker 3: Chicago has Theirs.
Speaker 1: Uh well who team has more of a local than
Speaker 1: like fonts associated I mean you know, I mean the
Speaker 1: Roots have kept are are are boring? Uh blue Helvitica
Speaker 1: Helvitica American typewriter. Yeah, but when you when you when
Speaker 1: you be thrown off if you saw a roots album
Speaker 1: in any font other than what you're used.
Speaker 8: To seeing I didn't even realize so you said that,
Speaker 8: but I guess.
Speaker 3: Because you don't like the roots Nelly.
Speaker 8: I love them.
Speaker 9: But Nelly's album looks like it reminds me of like
Speaker 9: those eighties albums. Everybody goes to that stage of like
Speaker 9: the Secret Life of Plants when you put the picture
Speaker 9: inside the block of color and I lost everybody.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that I appreciate.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 12: Everybody did a blood anything yeah.
Speaker 10: With my friend on it. Honestly, just wanted to capture
Speaker 10: the energy space of mine that I was in when
Speaker 10: I recorded and and I did that photoshoot for Internet
Speaker 10: stuff and I ended up using it for the album
Speaker 10: cover because it was like snapshot of kind of the week.
Speaker 10: I finished the album in Dallas, Texas, and the artwork
Speaker 10: features local Dallas artists and visual artists. The artwork on
Speaker 10: the front by Samantha Macurity. You can't see the whole
Speaker 10: thing when you buy the vine.
Speaker 8: I should have.
Speaker 10: Brought you a vinyl Yeah, why the hell.
Speaker 11: Did I not bring this final to you?
Speaker 10: It's so cool, but you open it up and it's
Speaker 10: just has a sense of community. Just I met a
Speaker 10: lot of cool people in Dallas, and I ended up
Speaker 10: working on all these projects with them, the video directors
Speaker 10: from Dallas.
Speaker 3: There's a good musical community down there.
Speaker 8: Did you stop Starks Junior?
Speaker 11: You ever met him?
Speaker 3: I've not met him.
Speaker 10: Really talented keyboardists okay, moo clavinet. He plays it all
Speaker 10: on my album.
Speaker 3: There's a really cool I don't know if you go
Speaker 3: to record stores a lot, but I.
Speaker 10: Used to work at my friend's store in Toronto, Okay,
Speaker 10: a couple.
Speaker 8: Of years ago. One of the after selling millions of records,
Speaker 8: you did I did for.
Speaker 1: Fun the key the key to uh I forget this?
Speaker 1: And the leader Ivy, the leader of Polyrhythmic Spree ownth
Speaker 1: Polyphonic Spree owns like one of the coolest record stores,
Speaker 1: mom and pop spots in Dallas right now. It's escaping,
Speaker 1: is it? No, Cliff, don't give me the quote it,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a really.
Speaker 10: John Congleton produced all the records Polysponic Spree, like I
Speaker 10: who did my record?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. In that area of Dallas.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a vibe. It's like you know what it is,
Speaker 11: It's like.
Speaker 15: That whole like like artists and then like the patrons
Speaker 15: of the arts, you know, and then there's this great divide,
Speaker 15: and I think it creates this wildness to like the
Speaker 15: left side, you know what I mean, Like it just
Speaker 15: creates this.
Speaker 11: More you have to kind of you gotta be even.
Speaker 10: Weirder in Dallas to be weird, you know what I mean?
Speaker 8: They gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 1: Really, how do you how do you feel to be
Speaker 1: how does it feel to be on your own and
Speaker 1: truly independent without without labels.
Speaker 11: Well, I really followed my heart.
Speaker 10: I really wanted to work with John Congleton, and Annie
Speaker 10: from Saint Vincent introduced me to him. We clicked, and
Speaker 10: I just in my heart thought, I want to know
Speaker 10: what it's like to work with like an alternative producer,
Speaker 10: Like I want to see what that's like. I want
Speaker 10: to see if I could do it. And when I
Speaker 10: met him, we started working and interscope. I was still
Speaker 10: with them, but I always kind of go off and
Speaker 10: do my own thing and don't really tell them what
Speaker 10: I'm doing. But eventually I did, and it felt like
Speaker 10: they were kind of like, yeah, well maybe we could
Speaker 10: do this or that or this, and I was like, no,
Speaker 10: I really want to finish this album with John Congleton.
Speaker 10: So I was able to get my album back from them, Wow,
Speaker 10: I own this album masters.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait.
Speaker 1: Time out, Wait a minute. You had a conversation with them.
Speaker 10: No, my manager helped me, like, I haven't.
Speaker 1: Well you yeah literally, but I'm just saying that they
Speaker 1: were willing to amicably part with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they gave me my master, They gave me the
Speaker 10: like I got to keep the masters of this new record.
Speaker 10: And it was a blessing because I was able to
Speaker 10: make this beautifully produced album essentially independently, you know, which
Speaker 10: is you're not usually able to do that, you know,
Speaker 10: because John's a really in demand producer. So it took
Speaker 10: we took her time with it because we were both
Speaker 10: really busy. But yeah, man, you know, sometimes it's just
Speaker 10: time to move on.
Speaker 1: Really confused me, I need that's the sound of my
Speaker 1: brain right now. Which the only thing.
Speaker 10: He has to do more with relationships, Like there's there's
Speaker 10: a lot of old relationships in the music business, like
Speaker 10: the people you don't see on TV. I I guess
Speaker 10: if you ask, And it's like, you know, like between
Speaker 10: business relationships, like sometimes like there's certain people who know
Speaker 10: how to get stuff done quickly. I'm just lucky enough
Speaker 10: to be working with some of them at the time.
Speaker 1: The only reason why mind blown is because now that
Speaker 1: I think of it, I think I did the same thing.
Speaker 8: Good it happened, Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: With the yeah well no Jay.
Speaker 1: I asked Jay, like, yo, take us with you to
Speaker 1: death Cham and he's like this, I want to get
Speaker 1: involved in Jimmy's business.
Speaker 3: And I simply just asked him.
Speaker 1: But my my selling point was I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: you have seventeen mega platinum artists on interscope. I said,
Speaker 1: all we're doing is wasting your money. You won't miss us,
Speaker 1: and he sat and thought about it. I was like, okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: and that was it.
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 10: Because you were respectful, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 10: I think even when I presented what I was working
Speaker 10: on with John, I.
Speaker 8: Was, SA, did you get what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: If you sell, if you I wrote.
Speaker 10: A handwritten note, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If you sell twelve million units, I'd be I kind
Speaker 1: of want to make sure you're good to the last drop. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's yeah.
Speaker 10: Like it's always risk involved, I guess, but like they
Speaker 10: still get the.
Speaker 8: You're at least Jordan five.
Speaker 1: You got some Jordan forty five time left in you,
Speaker 1: so it's like that to me, that to me is
Speaker 1: an amazing like I can't believe that happened.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's like a kind of like a little mini miracle.
Speaker 10: I guess I felt it grateful. But then when I
Speaker 10: signed those documents, I said, wow, I signed this record
Speaker 10: contract in nineteen ninety eight. Nineteen ninety eight's a long
Speaker 10: time ago because I take too much time in between albums.
Speaker 10: So for me signing a six album deal, like at
Speaker 10: that age, I never knew.
Speaker 11: You don't think right when you signed it first record Catchry.
Speaker 10: You're like, like, it's back an album, right, you read it.
Speaker 10: I was always smart about reading my paperwork. But at
Speaker 10: the same time, you're not really processing, like how much time?
Speaker 10: You don't know that it's going to take that long
Speaker 10: to record sex records?
Speaker 3: You know? So what do you?
Speaker 10: What do you hope happens something I wanted?
Speaker 1: I mean you've you've taken I mean you're kind of
Speaker 1: taken the dream as far as an evolution is concerned.
Speaker 1: You made all types of records, done, all types of
Speaker 1: collaborations and musical experiments, like what what I'm never believe
Speaker 1: in happy, I believe in satisfied. So what Yeah, when
Speaker 1: at what point, are you satisfied? Like can if you
Speaker 1: were to stop now you're are you like, okay, you
Speaker 1: have a beautiful daughter, You've pretty much lived in the dream,
Speaker 1: Like what is.
Speaker 3: What is the satisfaction destination for you? For me?
Speaker 10: Okay, if I had to stop today and I was like, okay,
Speaker 10: I'm gonna quit now, I'm never gonna make music again,
Speaker 10: I might regret like never doing like a Portuguese language album. Actually,
Speaker 10: I didn't mean to put that on you.
Speaker 11: Nobody's true, No, it's not you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So so that that could be cool at some point,
Speaker 10: but again I won't know until I cross that bridge.
Speaker 10: But yeah, generally speaking, I just wanted this time. This
Speaker 10: timeout's been really cool. Like a week after I got
Speaker 10: out of my record contract, like like I think a
Speaker 10: month later, I was rehearsing with Dev Hines because we
Speaker 10: were gonna sing together at his charity show he did.
Speaker 11: Did you go to that at the Harlem Apollo?
Speaker 10: It was really cool, it was for it was a fundraiser,
Speaker 10: and so I said to him, hey, Dev, you know
Speaker 10: I'm not with my label anymore, so we could put
Speaker 10: out our new song on cassette like and sell it
Speaker 10: at the merch table for charity. So that's the type
Speaker 10: of stuff you could never do if you're on a
Speaker 10: major label.
Speaker 8: Who is who has a cassette player.
Speaker 9: Don't know it?
Speaker 3: Go to urban outfitters right now and get a boom.
Speaker 10: And also I did it installation at Art Basil this
Speaker 10: year with my friend who's a photographer. So normally, like
Speaker 10: you can't just do that stuff when you're signed to
Speaker 10: a contract. Sound art installations, songwriting, and you know what
Speaker 10: I'm saying, it's just a different flow in your brain
Speaker 10: and it's really nice. I've been experiencementing with that.
Speaker 11: I'm gonta see where that takes me. You know, I
Speaker 11: don't really know.
Speaker 10: I just want us to keep asking questions.
Speaker 11: You know, I took a.
Speaker 10: Playwriting class last year at university. That was fun.
Speaker 11: So maybe writing arrangements or something for like a different
Speaker 11: type of like paradigm may be theatrical.
Speaker 10: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: See, I get the feeling that, you know, the the ongoing,
Speaker 1: the ongoing evolution.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, she'll probably prime minister.
Speaker 9: Well, I was gonna ask you to ronto lot like musically,
Speaker 9: Toronto has been put on the map since you first
Speaker 9: stepped Onto.
Speaker 3: To say, I feel like a forty Drake collaborations.
Speaker 10: Coming up mel so nice.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 10: You know I feel cool because I watched the scene
Speaker 10: grow and I stayed in that city. I've stayed in
Speaker 10: Toronto my whole life and career, well from age eighteen out,
Speaker 10: but like I've watched it grow urban scenes finally on
Speaker 10: the international map. I mean, we were just doing our thing.
Speaker 11: Oh thanks to Fronte, But I mean I need to know.
Speaker 11: Did my sto Maestro Fresh West let your backbone slide?
Speaker 10: Was that a hit over here?
Speaker 3: No afraid it wasn't. That's your back slide?
Speaker 10: Okay because I wouldn't know because we played thirty percent
Speaker 10: can Con and Canada growing up, So you thirty percent
Speaker 10: of everything you see and listened to is Canadian.
Speaker 11: It's it's called kankon. Yeah, it's a government rule.
Speaker 3: Yeah. This was before a Clear Channel took us over
Speaker 3: in ninety seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So so basically speaking, yeah, it's so nice to meet
Speaker 10: these new artists that are coming out and they have
Speaker 10: an appreciation for what happened in the past, but then
Speaker 10: they're moving things forward. So like my favorite from Toronto
Speaker 10: is his name is River Tiber and the record Yeah, man,
Speaker 10: he's based in Toronto. New new artists. You got to
Speaker 10: look out for Mustafa Ahmed. I've known im s he
Speaker 10: was fifteen. He sings, he's a spoken word poet. Really
Speaker 10: got to look out for him. He's making his he's
Speaker 10: managed by Doc actually and he's he's making his for
Speaker 10: his debut right now.
Speaker 8: Thanks Nady. I was literally going to ask you to
Speaker 8: put us on does some new media acts.
Speaker 11: Also, I really like Charlotte da Wilson's EP.
Speaker 10: Have you heard it?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Manager as she's on She's on bad Bat Not Goods
Speaker 10: new album as well.
Speaker 3: Spante's are.
Speaker 1: Voulture Voucher and I feel irrelevant.
Speaker 3: His i Q is way way.
Speaker 11: Coming out.
Speaker 1: Spante's Drake's Spirit Animal. Really, Drake is going on record
Speaker 1: to say that this.
Speaker 3: Man always.
Speaker 8: Animal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he said that in Yeah on On.
Speaker 6: He dedicated his he dedicated his he wanted to be
Speaker 6: m I would, I think, and he dedicated it to me. Really,
Speaker 6: he dedicated it to me. He dedicated to me Andre
Speaker 6: and Kanye Wow. And they asked me what I thought
Speaker 6: about it, and I was like, I think it's great,
Speaker 6: but I wish you would have dedicated time to do
Speaker 6: a verse on my album.
Speaker 3: And we haven't spoke. Let me, you don't love the brother.
Speaker 3: It's all good, you know. I get that gun sound effect.
Speaker 1: I have a soft shots fire, I've Nintendo. Yeah, we've done.
Speaker 6: We worked early, early on in his career, and I
Speaker 6: mean he's always I don't know, oh yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, out till later that he was on the Loose
Speaker 10: tour because he's saying backgrounds for Socrates on a couple
Speaker 10: of shows.
Speaker 11: Yeah, wow, the Canadian tour sang background.
Speaker 8: Start somewhere he did.
Speaker 3: That's all started on the bottom.
Speaker 11: He did doubles and no, he did doubles for Socrates. Yeah,
Speaker 11: on like I think three or four shows on our
Speaker 11: Canadian tour of Loose.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 11: But I didn't know at the time, Like I just
Speaker 11: found this out recently. But everybody loves Drake. Everybody's so
Speaker 11: proud of him, right right.
Speaker 10: Y'all, she said, She said, everybody loves.
Speaker 3: No No No For.
Speaker 10: The c and Tower to be on the cover of
Speaker 10: an album, it's a beautiful building.
Speaker 1: Well, Nellie, thank you very much for joining us today
Speaker 1: at the q LS Peanut Gallery.
Speaker 3: Give it up for.
Speaker 11: Everybody needs the Peanut Gallery album.
Speaker 1: Please get the new album Ride the Right, The Right
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: You got to enjoy it or get off of it.
Speaker 1: Yes, you've been thinking that all day, haven't you just.
Speaker 3: Enjoyed? Get off anyway? Getting off the ride.
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