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Speaker 4: made it midway through July twenty twenty four and we
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Speaker 4: It's a real thing. Still FedEx in the We've got
Speaker 4: a great UAP story, a little bit more insurance. We've
Speaker 4: been going through an insurance rabbit hole, and some responses
Speaker 4: to our ideas about how best to create micro generation.
Speaker 4: Before we do any of that, we were talking off
Speaker 4: here about about something that really really stood out to
Speaker 4: me and I think a lot of us in the
Speaker 4: crowdsnight are going to identify it. With this I don't
Speaker 4: know about you, guys, but I anthropomorphize so many inanimate objects.
Speaker 4: I am in like deep, it's not quite parasocial, but
Speaker 4: I'm in deep sustained relationships with weird things like the
Speaker 4: good fork and so like.
Speaker 3: The one that doesn't have the time, that somewhat bet
Speaker 3: where it's giving you the finger. You guys, have you
Speaker 3: ever seen those little hooks they use in bathrooms where
Speaker 3: you can hang up like your jacket or whatever. If
Speaker 3: you look at them, they kind of look like an
Speaker 3: octopus that's trying to box with you. That's sort of
Speaker 3: squinting an eye at you. You know, Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3: Dude's whole Instagram accounts things that look like basins. There's
Speaker 3: also one called like Sinister toilets. I really think it
Speaker 3: is a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: So maybe for this as we get into tonight's program, uh,
Speaker 4: just think along, look around your environment while you're while
Speaker 4: you're hanging out with us this evening, folks, and tell
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Speaker 4: us your favorite inanimate object that you have ascribed a
Speaker 4: personality too.
Speaker 3: We want to learn all about.
Speaker 4: It, especially if there's one that you anthropomorphize and don't
Speaker 4: care for you know what.
Speaker 3: I means, like a sinister toilet perhaps, Yeah, all right,
Speaker 3: it's time to jump into listener mail. This one comes
Speaker 3: to us, uh via the side pocket kid, which I love.
Speaker 3: I don't exactly know what that means, but I think
Speaker 3: it's cool. I mean, I guess it's sort of like
Speaker 3: a Western Yeah, oh, that's right, the side pocket. Yeah.
Speaker 3: For some reason, I'm thinking of like our all pockets
Speaker 3: on the side, But no, certainly some are on the
Speaker 3: back and some are on the front. But traditional pants pockets,
Speaker 3: you know, do reside on the side. But this is
Speaker 3: most definitely a pool reference, a Billiard's reference.
Speaker 4: Or pants kind of just themselves a pocket for your left.
Speaker 3: Two open ends. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, everything is a
Speaker 3: pocket if you really think about it. The ever anthromomorphized
Speaker 3: pockets is that the good pocket?
Speaker 2: I know what the good pocket is?
Speaker 3: Yeah you do. Yeah, Well, it's always like, well it
Speaker 3: depends side or what hands you write with.
Speaker 4: I think every living entity or every entity in general,
Speaker 4: has its own like personal mythology of these little beliefs,
Speaker 4: like the idea that maybe the left hand is for
Speaker 4: taking energy the right hand is for giving it.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that. Side. Yes.
Speaker 4: Oh man, dude, have you ever been in a majority
Speaker 4: Muslim country and eaten with your left hand? Not a
Speaker 4: good look. People won't get mad at you, but they
Speaker 4: will assume that you are dirty fair enough.
Speaker 3: I do like it when things are in the pocket,
Speaker 3: as they say, which this email most definitely is. Ben
Speaker 3: You tease it beautifully. Hey, guys, just listen to your
Speaker 3: most recent strange news episode and I really enjoyed the
Speaker 3: conversation about converting the heat from the ai GPUs into
Speaker 3: usable power. I am an electrical technologist who works for
Speaker 3: a private utility company, and thinking of different methods to
Speaker 3: harness power into already built infrastructure is something that I
Speaker 3: love to do. Personally, I would love to see micro
Speaker 3: generation everywhere, aside from the usual solar panels and wind
Speaker 3: turbines on roofs. One pilot project caught my eye was
Speaker 3: run in Portland, Oregon. They tested installing micro water turbines, turbines,
Speaker 3: turbines whatever, I think, they're interchangeable roughly into the existing
Speaker 3: water main system. I found the article from good Net
Speaker 3: to be a decent read. Guys. I linked to that
Speaker 3: in the dock if you want to take a quick
Speaker 3: look it is in fact quite a good read coming
Speaker 3: to us from good Net Gateway to Doing Good, written
Speaker 3: by Bonnie Reva Rass, the deputy editor there at good Neet.
Speaker 3: Going on with the email, thinking about all that Rabbit
Speaker 3: hold me into thinking about the Venus Project, particularly about
Speaker 3: city design and how we should be developing cities and
Speaker 3: buildings and incorporate natural geographic features into the design process.
Speaker 3: I think the Venus Project would make an excellent episode,
Speaker 3: and I would love to hear you guys do a
Speaker 3: deep dive and hear your thoughts on it. Anyways, I
Speaker 3: love the show and all the work you guys put
Speaker 3: into it kept me company on mini a car ride.
Speaker 3: Feel free to use this on air. If you guys
Speaker 3: find any value in it, you can call me side
Speaker 3: pocket kid, cheers and say weird. I love everything about this.
Speaker 3: This is one of those things where week I think, Matt,
Speaker 3: it was you where it was just like, this has
Speaker 3: to happen. This has to be a thing someone's thinking about.
Speaker 3: This is a perfect example of parallel thinking or just
Speaker 3: seeing a need where it just doesn't make sense for
Speaker 3: this kind of technology not to exist. Unfortunately, as we know,
Speaker 3: with many companies, their primary focus isn't necessarily helping the environment.
Speaker 3: It is more making money for their shareholders and you know,
Speaker 3: making their bottom line, and of course than some above
Speaker 3: their bottom line preferably. But this pilot program, we'll get
Speaker 3: to the Venus project in a bit. That might be
Speaker 3: bigger discussion for another day. But this program in Portland,
Speaker 3: Oregon is essentially just that. There is a field known
Speaker 3: as micro generation where you can essentially funnel pre existing infrastructure,
Speaker 3: tap pre existing infrastructure into other forms of electrical generation.
Speaker 3: And we know hydroelectric power is already created by the
Speaker 3: movement of water. And in the city of Portland they
Speaker 3: installed a hydropower system that captures energy as water flows
Speaker 3: through its main pipelines and.
Speaker 4: Very pollish and hydropower so cool.
Speaker 3: Because we know hydropower already exists. I mean, we all
Speaker 3: went to the Hoover Dam together and that was a
Speaker 3: thing to behold. And that's like the very definition of
Speaker 3: industrious thinking behind hydroelectric power. Harnessing the you know, the
Speaker 3: powers of nature or whatever. Why not build smaller generation
Speaker 3: sources like this into the water pipes of a city,
Speaker 3: so every time someone turns on the tap and causes
Speaker 3: the water to flow or change pressure or what have you.
Speaker 3: A little bit of electricity is generated and it either
Speaker 3: goes back into the grid or it's captured or stored
Speaker 3: or whatever. So let's see unlixular power. The article says,
Speaker 3: or wind. The system can generate electricity in any weather, anytime,
Speaker 3: since water is always flowing through them and there's absolutely
Speaker 3: no impact on water delivery or equality. Here comes a
Speaker 3: quote from Greg Semer or similar rept CEO of Lucid Energy,
Speaker 3: the Portland based startup that built the system, and he's
Speaker 3: speaking to fast companies saying, it's pretty rare to find
Speaker 3: a new source of energy where there's no environmental impact.
Speaker 3: But this is inside a pipe, so no fish or
Speaker 3: endangered species are impacted. That's what's exciting. Lucid Energy designed
Speaker 3: and installed four of these. Let's see forty two. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure what this jet with this metric is here.
Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a way of measuring kilowatt. Yes, okay,
Speaker 3: got it, thank you. Forty two inch fifty kilt power
Speaker 3: generating turbine pipes into one of the city's main water lines.
Speaker 3: The power that it generates is then sent right into
Speaker 3: the electrical grid, so it's it doesn't even need to
Speaker 3: be sorted, just adds capacity to the grid. And as
Speaker 3: we know with all of this AI stuff, the issue
Speaker 3: there becomes one of capacity where if we don't plan
Speaker 3: for this stuff, and as we know, you know, with
Speaker 3: the heat this generated in a lot of places, the
Speaker 3: climate rather brownouts, rolling power outages can be a thing.
Speaker 3: I believe Texas was a real offender in that department
Speaker 3: where there were just like tons of these rolling power
Speaker 3: outages due to heat there because they didn't do any
Speaker 3: kind of future proofing to this infrastructure. So, you know,
Speaker 3: we know Portland is a pretty liberal and technologically forward
Speaker 3: thinking part of the country, so it kind of makes
Speaker 3: sense that a pilot program like this would be there.
Speaker 3: It says here too, since water utilities use a huge
Speaker 3: amount of electricity, this type of system can make it
Speaker 3: cheaper to provide water for municipalities that can use the
Speaker 3: power themselves or sell it as a source of revenue.
Speaker 3: I do think this is really really interesting. I don't
Speaker 3: know how exactly we would be able to where folks
Speaker 3: would be able to accomplish this with harnessing the GPUs,
Speaker 3: But I don't see how Matt's idea of just adding
Speaker 3: an additional small turbine to these potentially hundreds of thousands
Speaker 3: of processors that are generating heat and causing them to spin,
Speaker 3: couldn't generate some meaningful amount of energy. I don't know,
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we go back to that, because it does
Speaker 3: seem like the question then becomes one of scale and
Speaker 3: is it worth doing if it's not done on a
Speaker 3: large enough scale. But this seemed to be like one municipality,
Speaker 3: one city, and it does seem to be of value.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I do think that there's some
Speaker 3: something to think about here.
Speaker 2: Let's just make the GPU's waterproof, put them in the
Speaker 2: water mains. We'll just ligne our water mains with GPUs.
Speaker 2: That are all I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, no, no, like I Like I said earlier,
Speaker 4: I think the hydro power is the way to go,
Speaker 4: you know, if the geography works out similar to geothermal
Speaker 4: power in Iceland. There's some great fascinating thing. First off side,
Speaker 4: pocket kid S, if I could be familiar with you,
Speaker 4: thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I've been on a.
Speaker 4: Little rabbit hole about exactly what an electrical technologist does,
Speaker 4: and I find it amazing and important, so you must also,
Speaker 4: I'm sure be well aware of the tidal power experiments
Speaker 4: that we mentioned briefly. I think out in Europe there
Speaker 4: is tremendous opportunity here. The ideas are to the point
Speaker 4: and no made earlier side pocket kit. The idea of
Speaker 4: microgeneration and the threshold of scale is endlessly fascinating to
Speaker 4: me because it's decentralizing in a way. It's decentralizing some
Speaker 4: of the power grid. Like if we get a toolkit
Speaker 4: of microgenerators from all sorts of different energy sources, then
Speaker 4: we're also we're addressing some of the problems of centralized
Speaker 4: power sources, and we're addressing the all your chickens and
Speaker 4: when all your eggs one kind of basket situation, because
Speaker 4: then if for some reason one kind of power source
Speaker 4: is no longer as feasible or as viable, then we
Speaker 4: automatically have some backups baked in. It is an awesome idea.
Speaker 4: It'd be really cool to roll it out and SPK
Speaker 4: if you can write to us again and let us
Speaker 4: know after you hear this, we'll follow up as well.
Speaker 4: Why do you think this has not been rolled out
Speaker 4: at a larger scale to Knowle's original question here, because
Speaker 4: it really could be a game changer, and I think
Speaker 4: we're all on the same page with that.
Speaker 3: Well, when I google like harnessing GPU for electric energy generation,
Speaker 3: the only articles I get are talking about I guess,
Speaker 3: streamlining the way GPUs consume power. So it does not
Speaker 3: seem that this is something that is being discussed. And
Speaker 3: it may And you know, if this individual who wrote
Speaker 3: to a side pocket kid, you know, has a background
Speaker 3: and stuff, he didn't immediately say we were full of crap,
Speaker 3: I do think there might be something to that, you know,
Speaker 3: and the fact that no one's talking about this it
Speaker 3: may just be that question of scale, but we know that. Well,
Speaker 3: here's the thing. I guess what we're talking about is
Speaker 3: the fans that are in play here are being powered
Speaker 3: by electricity and designed to cool the GPUs, but we
Speaker 3: do know they also get really hot, and I'm wondering
Speaker 3: if there's a way to funnel that heat into some
Speaker 3: other form of energy, and if there's enough of them
Speaker 3: happening at the same time, then it maybe could be meaningful.
Speaker 3: Or maybe it's just not nearly enough. It's a drop
Speaker 3: in the bucket and we're totally barking up the wrong tree.
Speaker 3: But it does seem like in the face of this
Speaker 3: increased demand that there ought to be some quid pro
Speaker 3: quo way of kind of giving back to the grid,
Speaker 3: you know, balancing the scales a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, it's really tough because you got to first have
Speaker 2: the idea somehow, then know how to actually implement a prototype,
Speaker 2: then convince a bunch of investors somewhere either on a
Speaker 2: city level, state level, a level, a company level. Then
Speaker 2: you gotta pay a lot of money to make it
Speaker 2: happen for the first time, and then spread those costs
Speaker 2: out over you know, years and years and years. So
Speaker 2: when you're thinking when we're talking about the water main
Speaker 2: hydro electric generation, you're talking about ben with this article
Speaker 2: we were looking at, I imagine the costs of actually
Speaker 2: going in and retrofitting pipes or adding in new pipes
Speaker 2: so that would have this system in them.
Speaker 3: Especially with aging pipes and infrastructures like we have here
Speaker 3: in Atlanta or in other parts of the country like
Speaker 3: in Michigan. Sorry, they're not, no, no, it is a conundrum.
Speaker 2: You know, it would be tremendously expensive. You'd need an
Speaker 2: infrastructure bill or something, you know, where there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of money injected into a system just shout out, I
Speaker 2: guess to that. But this type of thing we're talking
Speaker 2: about where you use an existing energy source that is
Speaker 2: just out there, that is happening all the time, reliably,
Speaker 2: and maybe even power is used to generate that initial
Speaker 2: energy source, right, So I'm thinking about in that same
Speaker 2: place goodnet dot org. There's an article from twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: about a young inventor who had the idea of setting
Speaker 2: up these plastic sheets along London's rail lines, which would
Speaker 2: then flutter in the wind as a train went by,
Speaker 2: which would generate electricity through the movement of those sheets. Like,
Speaker 2: how brilliant is that? And why wouldn't Why aren't we
Speaker 2: doing stuff like that all over the place? Where cars
Speaker 2: go by on a highway and there's an overpass, you
Speaker 2: set something up down there that just generates electricity, even
Speaker 2: if it's small, if you do it enough times, that
Speaker 2: kind of thing adds up.
Speaker 4: Or material science with pavement we studied this, yeah, and
Speaker 4: car stuff as well, Like going back to the generation
Speaker 4: of power from tides, it's already there, it's just there,
Speaker 4: weighs the channel. I would add one important piece of
Speaker 4: the puzzle that we haven't hit yet. Part of the
Speaker 4: reason and side pocket kid tell me, tell me how
Speaker 4: how real this is or how overblown it is, but
Speaker 4: it seems to be. One of the big stumbling blocks
Speaker 4: is the is the fact that there are embedded stakeholders
Speaker 4: who do quite well with the imperfect status quo as
Speaker 4: it is at this point. So they're the ones you
Speaker 4: have to not antagonize, but you have to pitch them,
Speaker 4: and you have to convince them that this is a
Speaker 4: long term, better aka more profitable concept. And I don't
Speaker 4: think it's a difficult argument to make. I just personally
Speaker 4: don't know enough about the ins and outs of the
Speaker 4: policy horse trading that has to occur to get you know,
Speaker 4: your Georgia powers or what have you, is your cons
Speaker 4: on board with something that, in their opinion, might not
Speaker 4: seem proven at scale. You kind of have to be
Speaker 4: like the first guy who convinced someone to let them
Speaker 4: build a skyscraper, you know what I mean. They want
Speaker 4: to know it's not going to collapse.
Speaker 3: I just want to say that I just found you know,
Speaker 3: it's read it to take it the grain of salt.
Speaker 3: I don't know this person's credentials, but I'm seeing a
Speaker 3: few folks chiming in and it doesn't seem this is
Speaker 3: the most out there perspective on the planet. But this
Speaker 3: person rift Blade MC on this Reddit thread saying GPUs
Speaker 3: are almost as efficient as normal electrical heaters. Energy cannot
Speaker 3: be created or destroyed, only converted. The GPU consumes electricity,
Speaker 3: it converts it into a few types of power. It
Speaker 3: converts a small portion into sound coil wine, which is
Speaker 3: a thing. It's a phenomenon where you can actually have
Speaker 3: an electronic component that generates sounds. It's actually not supposed
Speaker 3: to happen, but it can happen. It converts a small
Speaker 3: portion into kinetic energy the fans on the GPU cooler,
Speaker 3: but almost all of it is converted into heat. GPUs
Speaker 3: are probably around one percent less efficient at converting electricity
Speaker 3: into heat than a normal electric heater. There are a
Speaker 3: few other types of heaters. Some heaters are gas heaters,
Speaker 3: which are less However, I know that usually cheap gas
Speaker 3: is cheaper than electric for the same amount of heating,
Speaker 3: so gas is more cost effective than GPUs. Then there
Speaker 3: are also heat pumps, which this came up in our
Speaker 3: previous conversation, which instead of generating heat from energy, they
Speaker 3: work by extracting heat from the air outside and putting
Speaker 3: that heat into the air in your room. This allows
Speaker 3: heat pumps to be the most energy efficient and cost effective.
Speaker 3: I think there's something to it, guys, I really do.
Speaker 3: Who do we talk to get them on the cakes?
Speaker 3: I mean, this is getting me kind of excited because
Speaker 3: it really does seem like it's a bit of an
Speaker 3: untapped thing, and people have been having these conversations, so
Speaker 3: I don't know. I say thank you kindly to UH
Speaker 3: to a side pocket kid for giving us this way
Speaker 3: in and I want to I want to hear more
Speaker 3: about this. Could you even write back to us or
Speaker 3: maybe leave us a voicemail Side Pocket at A one
Speaker 3: A through three s td W y t K. Let
Speaker 3: us know if we're completely barking up the wrong UH
Speaker 3: microchip when it comes to this idea of the heat
Speaker 3: that's generated by these and could they be harnessed in
Speaker 3: a way that is positive. Let us know. We're gonna
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Speaker 2: And we've returned Jeff Arnold, we know you're still out there,
Speaker 2: Marshall brain Ben I was thinking about conversations way back
Speaker 2: nol I don't think you were here yet. Way back
Speaker 2: with Marshall Brain about car innovations, specifically in road innovation
Speaker 2: with like vehicles that would be electric and they'd be
Speaker 2: powered as they drive, kind of like the way some
Speaker 2: of the new technology with phones where you can just
Speaker 2: place a phone, you know, on a surface that will
Speaker 2: allow it to charge. Yeah, exactly, the exactly with the
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever works science. That stuff gets me
Speaker 2: so excited.
Speaker 4: He's electric materials what they're called.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 4: I was super into it a long time ago. So SPK, Yeah,
Speaker 4: please let us know why it's not happening at a
Speaker 4: larger scale.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we all got excited about it back in
Speaker 2: the day when it was like a thing and it
Speaker 2: was like a new You're like, whoa, that's gonna be amazing. Well, hey,
Speaker 2: you know what else people were into back in the day,
Speaker 2: sitting out by the pool back in twenty fifteen, just
Speaker 2: like Burker Berserker was. So we're gonna hear a message
Speaker 2: right now about.
Speaker 3: That irma ger Berker Berserker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 5: He Matt ben Nol and super Producers. My name is
Speaker 5: Burker the Berserker, and I have a UFO or a
Speaker 5: UAP black triangle sighting to get off my chest. Back
Speaker 5: in twenty fifteen, when I was around seventeen or eighteen,
Speaker 5: I was at my neighborhood pool in Oceanside, California. And
Speaker 5: by the way, the name of the neighborhood is just
Speaker 5: a capri if you want to look it up on
Speaker 5: Google Maps. And I was laying down after a mile
Speaker 5: swim with my legs in the hot sub and staring
Speaker 5: at the sky. Now this is important. I was laying
Speaker 5: down with my head pointing south southeast and my legs
Speaker 5: are pointing north northeast. And then when I was laying there,
Speaker 5: you know, it was probably nine or ten at night,
Speaker 5: I saw something like a giant black check mark with
Speaker 5: seven red almost infrared lights underneath it. You know, it
Speaker 5: may have been eight because there was that one. There
Speaker 5: was one light in the very point as well, so
Speaker 5: there were three red infrared lights glowing on the left
Speaker 5: side and there were four on the right side, and
Speaker 5: you know, one in the middle. And it was just
Speaker 5: so creepy. It made no noise at all. It was
Speaker 5: around twenty or thirty feet in length, and it moved
Speaker 5: incredibly slowly, like incredibly slowly. It must have been five
Speaker 5: or ten miles an hour, and it was roughly forty
Speaker 5: to fifty feet above me, and it passed directly overhead.
Speaker 5: And you know, I wasn't I wasn't wearing anything but
Speaker 5: my boxer shorts or my my Chums trunks at the time.
Speaker 5: So and it went directly northwest to southeast, directly over me,
Speaker 5: and I thought that I was being scanned. It looked
Speaker 5: like I was scanned. At first, I thought it was
Speaker 5: a drone. But at the height it was, I would
Speaker 5: have definitely heard the worrying and it made no noise.
Speaker 5: It was absolutely silent. I really couldn't believe my eyes.
Speaker 5: I didn't tell anybody about it that night, but the
Speaker 5: next day I looked it up and I read on
Speaker 5: black Triangles and it was so eerie but so so cool. Anyways,
Speaker 5: i'd like to hear what you have to say about it.
Speaker 5: By the way, I've always enjoyed your show. I'm a
Speaker 5: longtime listener, and you've always given me virtual comfort when
Speaker 5: I was driving home alone through the desert for work.
Speaker 5: And keep up the great contents, keep spreading the truth.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you all. This is Burger the Berserker Fining off.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, dude. Wow, what a cool story.
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you, Burger. I really appreciate that. I find
Speaker 4: the comment about the asymmetry or perceived asymmetry as the
Speaker 4: vehicle quite intriguing.
Speaker 2: Right, was one led just out? Maybe? No the way
Speaker 2: Burger Berserker described this craft as a check mark, which
Speaker 2: is really interesting, and it does make you wonder if
Speaker 2: it's just perception because there was maybe one LED that
Speaker 2: was not working or one light who knows what the
Speaker 2: light source was or was it actually you know, differently
Speaker 2: shaped like that, because that really does change my thoughts
Speaker 2: on what this thing could have potentially been.
Speaker 4: Do you have a running guess, yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 2: I was thinking just because of where that part is.
Speaker 2: Did you guys look up ocean side California. Ocean side
Speaker 2: California is well, I mean it's right on the coast,
Speaker 2: so it's not like interior California it is I don't know,
Speaker 2: let's say it's in between San Diego and Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: closer to San Diego, much closer actually.
Speaker 4: Right down the way from Carlsbad, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly exactly. And you know this this Pacific coast
Speaker 2: over here, there's a lot of activity from the US military,
Speaker 2: from the Navy, but most of it, will you guys
Speaker 2: tell me, I'm aware of most of that activity happening
Speaker 2: closer up to San Francisco, and then closer maybe down
Speaker 2: towards San Diego, but I don't know, maybe something passing
Speaker 2: by or through there. It's interesting how specific Berserker is
Speaker 2: about the direction right northeast, legs pointing northeast, head pointing
Speaker 2: south southeast, and then the way this thing traveled from
Speaker 2: northwest to southeast. Because if we're talking from this location northwest,
Speaker 2: that's along the coast, pretty much like heading up the
Speaker 2: United States, and then heading southeast, that's heading down towards Mexico.
Speaker 2: I don't know, do you guys have any thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: I just really liked the story.
Speaker 4: One of the first things to do here, or what
Speaker 4: I would do if writing an episode on this, would
Speaker 4: be obviously, and Matt you've probably already done this. You
Speaker 4: have as well. I imagine Burger look up the closest
Speaker 4: Air Force baces or closest compounds for experimental craft. That's one,
Speaker 4: you know, you build out the references. The weird thing
Speaker 4: is increasingly it was a little more skeptical in this
Speaker 4: back in earlier evenings. But the weird thing is, there
Speaker 4: are provably strange things in the sky. There are real
Speaker 4: UAP or what we would call UFOs. This doesn't mean
Speaker 4: they're necessarily aliens, doesn't mean they're necessarily all top secret,
Speaker 4: you know, skunk works projects, but there's definitely stuff out there.
Speaker 4: One thing that we are always careful to do, and
Speaker 4: it's a core tenant of our mission is not to
Speaker 4: dismiss a siding out of hands, because that's incredibly unhelpful. Matt,
Speaker 4: did you get a chance to speak with Burker directly
Speaker 4: for any guesses on his part?
Speaker 2: No, I did not, But well along those lines, my
Speaker 2: guesses were Camp Pendleton, which is a pretty big name,
Speaker 2: something we've heard before on the show. Even if you're not,
Speaker 2: you know, close to military or have been in the
Speaker 2: military before, Camp Pendleton is a big deal. It is
Speaker 2: just I guess it would be northwest of this area,
Speaker 2: actually just northwest of this specific Vista Caapri neighborhood in Oceanside, California,
Speaker 2: which you know, there's a Marine Air Support squadron hanging
Speaker 2: out right over there, the old you know airport that's
Speaker 2: for military use only. There's also a raising canes by
Speaker 2: the way, on that on Camp Pendleton, just like.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that place was so like Bloodard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a large Department of Homeland Security building that
Speaker 2: is right on the coast basically if you headed straight
Speaker 2: to the co from the house where Berserker was. I
Speaker 2: don't know the shape, you guys, I want to know
Speaker 2: more about that shape? Call in have you? Has anybody
Speaker 2: heard of a check mark shaped craft like that? Because
Speaker 2: it makes me think about some of the symbolism that
Speaker 2: companies use.
Speaker 3: You know, we talk.
Speaker 2: About the well we have talked about before on the show,
Speaker 2: the shape of the NASA on their logo. There's that
Speaker 2: little wisp kind of thing that's on there, and what
Speaker 2: that actually represented. What this the Nike thing actually may
Speaker 2: have been a couple other things like that about shapes
Speaker 2: of craft and shapes of you know or potential craft. Right,
Speaker 2: there's cool stuff out there. What's the check.
Speaker 4: Mark right to us? Especially if you were piloting the
Speaker 4: check mark?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh man from the CLB thirteenth Armory. I
Speaker 2: don't know why they would be flying something like that though,
Speaker 2: classic CLB. All right, so hey, let's jump to another
Speaker 2: quick message here. This time from no One in particular. Guys,
Speaker 2: I didn't know this, and I've always put in our
Speaker 2: voicemail system as no space one in particular. We got
Speaker 2: an email from this person and it is no one
Speaker 2: like NWN, no One, no One.
Speaker 4: In particular and Roan but no one.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly like Rowan but no One. And this person
Speaker 2: that we have come to know and love, had a
Speaker 2: quick comment on something we were talking about about the
Speaker 2: speed of life when we were just kind of briefly
Speaker 2: mentioning that, and all I think you brought that up.
Speaker 2: Uh So here is no One's message.
Speaker 6: This is no One in particular and as usual, you
Speaker 6: are welcome to use this. No One mentioned apparent fluctuation
Speaker 6: in the passage of time between being young and being old,
Speaker 6: and it's far more than a parent I'm sure you're
Speaker 6: about to mention, but I'd like to give you my
Speaker 6: little take on it, which is that when you're vibe,
Speaker 6: year is twenty percent of your life, whereas now that
Speaker 6: I'm fifty, it's only two percent and seems to fly by.
Speaker 6: Just something I thought about one day. You guys have
Speaker 6: a great showy man.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: It makes me think of like the idea of dog years,
Speaker 3: you know, the idea of like, what is the typical
Speaker 3: span of a life and how does that compress and
Speaker 3: contract to a being that inherently does not live as
Speaker 3: long as a human being. And I think the answer
Speaker 3: is simple. It's it's it's it's hugely important. Weeds as
Speaker 3: humans are able to perceive it much more palpably than
Speaker 3: obviously a dog or a cat, you know, or the
Speaker 3: lizards live a really long time like alligators. But I
Speaker 3: do think that matters, and like, how much of your
Speaker 3: life have you lived, and as you live longer, that
Speaker 3: percentage changes, doesn't it. That's I think that's I can't
Speaker 3: believe I've never quite thought.
Speaker 2: About it like that before. It's well put. I think
Speaker 2: that is just yabe. That's what I really appreci shot
Speaker 2: about it, and it makes you think about things different.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about my son's life and just you know,
Speaker 2: he was talking about how the summers are feeling shorter,
Speaker 2: right and he's only eight, Like, oh man.
Speaker 3: Sorry, that's sad. Thing that is so poetically melancholy, you know,
Speaker 3: the summer is the seeming.
Speaker 2: Well just basically commenting how it feels like it's going
Speaker 2: by fast. But in the end. For his perception, it's
Speaker 2: actually good because he's done a lot this summer. Right
Speaker 2: back in the day, summers were a lot less filled
Speaker 2: with going places and doing things and traveling. I think
Speaker 2: it means hopefully that his life is more full than.
Speaker 3: It was before.
Speaker 2: At least that's the way I often think about it
Speaker 2: when I think about how quick stuff goes. Think about, guys,
Speaker 2: do you ever get that feeling when you look at
Speaker 2: our listener mail Strange News doc just about how many
Speaker 2: episodes of this particular thing we have done? And it
Speaker 2: to me, the perception is that we just started making
Speaker 2: these episodes.
Speaker 4: I still can't believe that what I was doing the
Speaker 4: daily Strange News, I can't believe how many like that
Speaker 4: was years ago now, right.
Speaker 2: Ben did start this, well, this whole set of segments
Speaker 2: as as it's open show.
Speaker 4: I saw something that compiled the number of total stuff
Speaker 4: they don't want you to know episodes or segments that
Speaker 4: we have. And it's crazy because folks in full transparency.
Speaker 4: I think one time we tried to count them and
Speaker 4: we could. I don't remember if we could figure it out.
Speaker 4: Did we ever nail down to write the correct thing?
Speaker 4: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I don't know. The number is I think less impressive
Speaker 3: to me. I mean it it's obviously an artifact of
Speaker 3: this phenomenon that we're describing. But it's like every time
Speaker 3: I see it's it's the ten year anniversary of X
Speaker 3: record that was like a big deal to me or whatever,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, no, that's the new one, that's
Speaker 3: the new Arcade Fire record. You know, like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: to think too about things like nineteen ninety is as
Speaker 3: far away from now as like nineteen twenty was from nineteen,
Speaker 3: you know, sixty or whatever. I mean, I'm bad at math,
Speaker 3: but you see what I'm saying. It's all about where
Speaker 3: you stand and your perception of time, and it does
Speaker 3: change as you get older, but not always for the worse.
Speaker 3: I would argue, I don't know, necessarily feel like my
Speaker 3: life is slipping away. I feel like in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways I'm able to enjoy it a little more
Speaker 3: and really, you know, kind of lean in and sort
Speaker 3: of make a meal of it. I don't know why
Speaker 3: I don't always feel like it's a negative thing. It
Speaker 3: just is a phenomenon that I find very.
Speaker 4: Remarkable, and I also, in particular love the percentage observation there.
Speaker 4: I think that is quite well put and quite astute.
Speaker 4: We're a big fan of yours over on this show.
Speaker 4: Also want to point out that I was reading this
Speaker 4: fascinating study on the nature of regret as people age,
Speaker 4: right when you when you get counted as elderly in
Speaker 4: a different population or culture, and people don't regret things
Speaker 4: as often as we might assume, like when you're a
Speaker 4: younger person and you think, oh, this is the worst,
Speaker 4: this is the worst thing. You know, I got an
Speaker 4: F on a test, or I didn't get the you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't get my jury duty audition or whatever. And
Speaker 4: I think it's really important to remember that these things
Speaker 4: that can seem very big in the moment, often people
Speaker 4: look back they don't feel that they were led wrong,
Speaker 4: or they don't feel that it was a mistake. So,
Speaker 4: without at the risk of sounding soaboxy and or trite,
Speaker 4: it's very important to remember that because you have a
Speaker 4: problem with one tree, it doesn't mean the entire forest
Speaker 4: is bad. And sometimes the only way out of a
Speaker 4: situation is through that situation. So we've got your back.
Speaker 4: Don't break laws. We're required to say, don't break laws,
Speaker 4: but I think it's just important to hear that sometimes
Speaker 4: that even when things seem that their most dire and
Speaker 4: their most dark, there's always something worth sticking around for.
Speaker 2: That's right, got a bad tree, Chop that down. Ah,
Speaker 2: I'm just choking out on it. Don't do it. Don't
Speaker 2: hurt the trees. We need the trees, all right. Well,
Speaker 2: thanks so much, and hey, if you've got something to say,
Speaker 2: you want to call us, we'll tell you how to
Speaker 2: do that at the end of this episode. Thanks so
Speaker 2: much to everybody.
Speaker 3: Else. A frame.
Speaker 2: We got one for you in the docket for this episode,
Speaker 2: but we're going to get to it at a different time.
Speaker 2: I'll just quickly mention it here. He came to us
Speaker 2: with some real world experience about why certain insurance companies
Speaker 2: are moving out of certain areas, so I think maybe
Speaker 2: we can use that for a further exploration on that subject.
Speaker 2: But it was not what you would think. He lives
Speaker 2: in an area where wildfires have traditionally been the problem.
Speaker 2: It's not the wildfires that are making it untenable for
Speaker 2: or at least the perception of being unt tenable to
Speaker 2: have insurance in certain areas for these insurance companies. It's
Speaker 2: some compounded. Other problem that's added on to what they
Speaker 2: usually already are paying, you know, paying out for wildfires
Speaker 2: in an area that's susceptible to those is when there's
Speaker 2: now flooding in that area too, and they're like, now
Speaker 2: we got to get out of here. Or in his case,
Speaker 2: I think it was hailstorms or something. It was something crazy.
Speaker 2: What All right, that's different. Now we'll be right back
Speaker 2: with more messages from you.
Speaker 4: And we have returned with a couple of things that
Speaker 4: was squirreling away from a conversation with a good friend
Speaker 4: of the show, Rebel on Instagram. I almost didn't want
Speaker 4: to bring these up. Some of these are not news,
Speaker 4: so it might hold them for a different show that
Speaker 4: we do. But Rebel wrote to us recently with something
Speaker 4: that absolutely blew my mind. Nazi drugs or sweeping Europe
Speaker 4: Nazi drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's get into it
Speaker 4: before before you get to our speed. Even weirder MDMA,
Speaker 4: which you don't usually associate with the Militant for Right
Speaker 4: of Neo Nazis, but this has been happening for a
Speaker 4: number of years. Apparently at the end of twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: we'll go to Vice for this excellent article by Simon Doherty.
Speaker 4: The end of twenty twenty three, police in the Netherlands
Speaker 4: pulled over a guy in a car who ignored a
Speaker 4: stop sign. He was not an autonomous driver. He was driving,
Speaker 4: and the cops quickly noticed three things. One his license
Speaker 4: is not valid, no good. Two he's clearly high on something.
Speaker 4: And three in the passenger seat, in the shotgun seat
Speaker 4: right next to him is this huge bag, like a
Speaker 4: trash bag of ecstasy pills that are all stamped with
Speaker 4: Nazi branding, with Nazi insignia. It's the eagle symbol from
Speaker 4: the actual facts Nazis, as our Palor and vocal Bam
Speaker 4: would say.
Speaker 3: Those were really popular nineties rave culture. Man. You had
Speaker 3: the Mitsubishies, the Pokemon and the Nazi Eagles. Those were
Speaker 3: the real banger what they call them rolls.
Speaker 4: Right right, and so this the symbol. You can find
Speaker 4: this article easily. The symbol was, as we know, developed
Speaker 4: by the Nazi Party in the twenties, sometimes called the
Speaker 4: Imperial Eagle. They also found in addition to these Nazi tablets,
Speaker 4: the cops found half a kilogram of weed or cannabis
Speaker 4: and one hundred grams of cocaine. I don't know enough
Speaker 4: about cocaine to know if one hundred grams is a lot,
Speaker 4: but it sounds like a lot.
Speaker 3: Is it a lot?
Speaker 4: It's a lot?
Speaker 3: A lot. It's like, what's a kilo? A kilo is
Speaker 3: I'm bad at weights and measures in addition to math
Speaker 3: they mentioned earlier, But a kilo tends to be the
Speaker 3: standard brick of you know what, you would be a
Speaker 3: unit of the largest quantity you have, like a giant,
Speaker 3: you know, quantity of kilos in a smuggling operation, a
Speaker 3: plane or what have you. But a kilo would be
Speaker 3: the smallest units of that.
Speaker 4: If you're moving weight, right, Yeah, akilo is two point
Speaker 4: two pounds, So if this is half a kilo, that'd
Speaker 4: be like a little over a pound. Still, that's a
Speaker 4: lot of that's a lot of weak, you know, for
Speaker 4: your afternoon drive. It seems like he was probably going
Speaker 4: somewhere instead of just taking a fun road trip to
Speaker 4: get out in the open road. It's strange because furthermore
Speaker 4: we found here and revel thank you again for hippiness
Speaker 4: to this. This was not an isolated incident. It appears
Speaker 4: that there are there is a trend of illegal drugs
Speaker 4: going out through Europe stamped with Nazi insignia, and just
Speaker 4: to me, it's so confusing because you know, I'm I'm okay,
Speaker 4: I'm kind of square though in full, in full honesty,
Speaker 4: I don't know what the effects of ecstasy are like
Speaker 4: experientially or MDMA, but I always pictured it as sort
Speaker 4: of a more lovey dovey thing.
Speaker 3: Well, that's funny you should say that, Ben. Just this
Speaker 3: immediately made me think of a song by a kind
Speaker 3: of jam band supergroup called oyster Head, which was Les
Speaker 3: Claypool from Primus on the bass, Trey Anastasio from Fish
Speaker 3: on the guitar, and Stuart Copeland from the Police on
Speaker 3: the drums. And I think they maybe had two albums,
Speaker 3: but on their first album they have a song called
Speaker 3: Armies on Ecstasy, and the lyric is the Army's on Ecstasy.
Speaker 3: So they say, I read all about it in USA
Speaker 3: today they stepped up urine testing to make it go
Speaker 3: away because it's hard to kill the enemy on old MDMA. Because, yes,
Speaker 3: to your point, Ben, it does give you the love vibes.
Speaker 3: It's a real love fest. That's the whole point of MDMA.
Speaker 3: It's not conducive to berserker type behavior.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, Burger, but this is yeah, okay, So I'm
Speaker 4: glad to know that perception of from the outside looking
Speaker 4: in is correct. The folks advice stumble on what may
Speaker 4: well be a conspiracy regarding this the idea. We know
Speaker 4: that there's kind of a what the boffins we'll call
Speaker 4: a far right surge in Europe like the political theater there.
Speaker 4: We also know that France got really close to having
Speaker 4: a fascist government, just like.
Speaker 3: Last the other day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so excuse the voice.
Speaker 3: There by the way, apparently when she lost, which the
Speaker 3: internet is making hay with, you know, which I'm fully behind.
Speaker 4: But you know it's it's a big deal to everybody
Speaker 4: who runs for any kind of political office, to be fair.
Speaker 4: But here's the possible conspiracy. What if this far right
Speaker 4: surge is being sort of buoyed up by being associated
Speaker 4: with fun drugs? What if this is like an underground
Speaker 4: pr propaganda campaign for lack of a better word. Do
Speaker 4: we think that's possible. I'm honestly asking because I think
Speaker 4: it could be a brilliant move for politicians in the US.
Speaker 3: I don't think I quite follow to what end exactly
Speaker 3: like propaganda in whose favor.
Speaker 4: To get people to support far right or Nazi like
Speaker 4: ideology by being associated.
Speaker 3: With something good vibes. Yeah, okay, I follow you. I'm
Speaker 3: picking up what you're putting down. Yeah, in the parlance
Speaker 3: of you.
Speaker 2: Know, the hippies popping beans and crosses, that's what we
Speaker 2: do here.
Speaker 4: Clarence Thomas can't be all bad. Look at how much
Speaker 4: weed he gave me earlier.
Speaker 3: But it was total dirt weed though, had stems in
Speaker 3: it and seeds and everything.
Speaker 2: And he just got it from some guy as a gift.
Speaker 4: Yeah, next time, we're just texting alido.
Speaker 3: But the bales of the stuff.
Speaker 4: The bales of it. So it appears that this trend
Speaker 4: has extended to the supply of cocaine as well. In
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, some folks that apport in northern Peru
Speaker 4: caught some smugglers and these guys have fifty eight kilograms
Speaker 4: of cocaine destined for Belgium. And to your point about transportational,
Speaker 4: each individual kilo was wrapped in Nazi regalia, which is
Speaker 4: not the most subtle way to sneak stuff through international borders.
Speaker 4: Please don't look at my Nazi ricks.
Speaker 3: Yes without the insignia stamped into the powder. That doesn't
Speaker 3: seem very smart or very likely. But again, at the
Speaker 3: time though, they sort of had cart blots to do
Speaker 3: whatever they wanted, and maybe they were just like really
Speaker 3: just didn't give it f you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe there's some internal logic, like the.
Speaker 3: Nazis would have loved cocaine. I mean, I'm just saying
Speaker 3: like that. We know about them taking amphetamines. You don't
Speaker 3: really hear much about cocaine per se, but amphetamines was
Speaker 3: just the order of the day. I mean, everyone was
Speaker 3: taking that stuff, you know, the pilots. Hitler apparently it.
Speaker 4: Was like one of his main things. It was not
Speaker 4: his main thing, but it was one of his things.
Speaker 3: But we also had another main thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had another main thing. There's We also know
Speaker 4: that authorities are still trying to suss out this international
Speaker 4: conspiracy because they're not sure whether this kind of branding
Speaker 4: was ordered by neo Nazi gangs who are selling drugs,
Speaker 4: or whether it's unaffiliated drug gangs that have Neo Nazis
Speaker 4: as their prime demographica customer. They really don't know, but
Speaker 4: we do know this seems to be a continuing trend.
Speaker 4: So I want to thank vice again, think you rebel
Speaker 4: because we didn't see a lot of news about this
Speaker 4: or I don't know, had you guys heard about this beforehand?
Speaker 3: Not once.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that we haven't, because you know, I think
Speaker 4: it speaks to our character that we're not plugged into
Speaker 4: the world a neo Nazi cocaine, you know what I mean, Chestnut,
Speaker 4: They may this is interesting, Like I would love to
Speaker 4: hear people's thoughts on this conspiracy diheartradio dot com, just
Speaker 4: because it gives us. I think it's a door into
Speaker 4: something else, into a larger trend, you know. And we
Speaker 4: know that a lot of groups have not considered themselves
Speaker 4: drug cartels per se, but they get involved in the
Speaker 4: drug business because it is such a reliable form of income, right, Like,
Speaker 4: aren't like biker gangs, Are they still big with drugs
Speaker 4: here in the US?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think so if what is it? Sons of anarchy
Speaker 3: has anything to say, Oh that's right, yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, So we we do want to hear from you
Speaker 4: in this regard, folks, because it sounds like there's something
Speaker 4: bigger at play. I want to dig into this and
Speaker 4: it's not. Yeah, I think this one got some headlines
Speaker 4: just because it seems counterintuitive for Nazis to be super
Speaker 4: into you know, ecstasy or as you said, Noel, those
Speaker 4: kind of lovey dove fhiel good drugs. But it also,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I think it could touch other ideologies.
Speaker 4: I'm interested in learning the mechanism. Also shout out to
Speaker 4: you Rebel one last time before he closed, for hipping
Speaker 4: me to that story about scientists dosing octopuses with him.
Speaker 3: Dma, oh that's a good idea. That's just fafo.
Speaker 2: Before we get out of this, I just really quickly
Speaker 2: been you probed something in my mind with the motorcycle gangs.
Speaker 2: Did you guys remember seeing that story a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks back about the Baker's Field Hell's Angels how the
Speaker 2: entirety of the motorcycle club in Bakersfield got arrested, but
Speaker 2: not for selling drugs. It was for assaults, kidnapping, robbery,
Speaker 2: and a bunch of other things. But every single member
Speaker 2: I got picked up.
Speaker 4: Do we know how many people were talking?
Speaker 2: It's like, oh gosh, it wasn't even that many. I
Speaker 2: think it was small. It was just like seven human beings.
Speaker 2: But it was the entire Bakersfield Hell's Army crew that's crazy.
Speaker 4: They might have got recoded.
Speaker 3: That's nuts. Oh that makes sense. Yeah, that's how you
Speaker 3: scoop up a bunch of them, right, isn't that sort
Speaker 3: of the deal? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4: It also reminds me. I didn't talk about this on air,
Speaker 4: but we were talking about road trips stay in my
Speaker 4: head pretty often. It's a good pursuit. I don't know
Speaker 4: about you guys, but I like to take the back
Speaker 4: roads whenever possible. That's where you get to see more
Speaker 4: of the real world. And I remember quite recently I
Speaker 4: had to go to the coast of the Atlantic Ocean,
Speaker 4: and I took back roads on the return leg, and
Speaker 4: I ran into so many sketchy looking motorcycle clubs, And
Speaker 4: we got a lot of bikers in the audience tonight.
Speaker 3: We're glad you're here.
Speaker 4: We know that that very small amount of biker gangs
Speaker 4: are actually what we would consider criminal organizations, called one
Speaker 4: what have you. But I would love to hear from
Speaker 4: someone on the inside who's had experience with this, like
Speaker 4: former outlaw bikers, former Hell's Angels, and so on. Do
Speaker 4: you think do you think we have a good chance
Speaker 4: of getting someone there or should we just stick with
Speaker 4: the doped up octopus and view one of those.
Speaker 3: Doped up octopus. It reminds me back at the beginning
Speaker 3: of the episode where you're talking about the anthropomorphic items
Speaker 3: and you got the little creepy hook guy, you know,
Speaker 3: in the bathroom trying to get into fisticuffs with you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing this thing with my fists right now, like
Speaker 3: the fighting Irish. It looks good.
Speaker 2: I think we need to get in with the Freemason's RC.
Speaker 2: All right, they're the Masonic Riding Club. We need we
Speaker 2: need to get into those guys.
Speaker 3: Creative writing, creative Masonic writing.
Speaker 4: They're a secret from the Shriners, right, Oh, I think.
Speaker 4: So they have the little cars.
Speaker 1: What is wanted?
Speaker 4: One of those sick little cars?
Speaker 3: So I have to say I had a dream the
Speaker 3: other night that all three of us were in an
Speaker 3: improv show to get there, and I woke up and
Speaker 3: just immediately like, we got to take improv class together.
Speaker 3: I know you've mentioned that a million times, Ben, but
Speaker 3: I'm just doubling down on that. I think it would
Speaker 3: be super fun because in my dream we were really
Speaker 3: good at it, and you know, it's kind of what
Speaker 3: we do here to a agree. So we had to
Speaker 3: we had to try that sometime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think everybody should have a little fun with improv. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just it's just good to do no matter what
Speaker 4: your job is. It'll help you be a better communicator
Speaker 4: and more importantly, a better listener, which is what I
Speaker 4: really had to work on.
Speaker 2: All of us need to work on that for sure.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to keep going and talking instead of
Speaker 2: listening and telling you guys that the Iron Knights Masonic
Speaker 2: Writers are in Grovetown, Georgia. We need to go shut
Speaker 2: them out.
Speaker 3: That's right near my neck where I grew up. And
Speaker 3: again that's right like in my neck of the woods.
Speaker 3: I know Grovetown very well. I didn't know anything about
Speaker 3: that being the case, though, I have to say, yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, the thing that just show up and act like
Speaker 4: we belong there there, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Interview mode, yes, and them into exactly.
Speaker 4: There's something else we would need to look for, look
Speaker 4: out for if we're on the road to Grovetown and
Speaker 4: this is our last thing tonight inste have a letter
Speaker 4: from home. Our longtime friend of the show, Brock aka
Speaker 4: the brock Nest Monster, has written and hipped us to
Speaker 4: something frightening it's been kind of an on the road
Speaker 4: week for us, and in that we're talking about a
Speaker 4: lot of automotive conspiracies. I did not know this until
Speaker 4: Brock told us. But FedEx has their own police force
Speaker 4: and they've had it for twenty years.
Speaker 3: Wait for like investigating, or for guarding and protecting.
Speaker 4: Guarding, protecting. Yeah, there's a that kind of stuff. There's
Speaker 4: an excellent Forbes article by Thomas Brewster that came out
Speaker 4: that hipped us to this. Forbes recently learned that FedEx
Speaker 4: is using some AI tools by a company called Flock
Speaker 4: Safety four billion dollars startup for car survey, and it's
Speaker 4: monitoring its cargo and distro facilities across the US. It's
Speaker 4: also providing the information that gets to law enforcement, which
Speaker 4: is not inherently unusual. You know a lot of companies,
Speaker 4: a lot of private companies do that even without being
Speaker 4: forced to do so. They volunteer it. But it appears
Speaker 4: that local police departments are also giving their own surveillance
Speaker 4: and Flock feeds back to FedEx. It's a two way street.
Speaker 4: They're building a public private surveillance apparatus.
Speaker 3: Oh Man, sound very good.
Speaker 2: Match it up with all the nest cams or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, all the.
Speaker 3: Did we talk about did we talk about those nest
Speaker 3: cams that like will shoot paintballs at people? The startup company. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was like, I mean, yeah, maybe I mentioned it
Speaker 3: just like in conversation or not on the show, But
Speaker 3: there was like a sum like gofund me for a
Speaker 3: home ring cam type situation that will threaten you with
Speaker 3: like a automated voice saying intruder, identify yourself or whatever,
Speaker 3: and if not, then it will help you with paintballs. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's really without sounding hyperbolic, it's a
Speaker 4: brave new world.
Speaker 3: We're not ready.
Speaker 4: Civilization's not ready for the technology that's rolling out at scale.
Speaker 4: Folks like the Electronic Frontier Foundation in the case of
Speaker 4: FedEx and Flock network, they are very concerned that this
Speaker 4: could go wrong quickly because, simply put, private entities are
Speaker 4: not subject to the same transparency laws that police are
Speaker 4: in theory subject to, So this could extend a silent,
Speaker 4: unseen mass surveillance network and it might be legal for
Speaker 4: the public to be left in the dark about it.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, Flock apparently specializes in license plate reading too,
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