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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Kolee Waitt, and today we have very

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Speaker 1: special guest actor, writer, producer Miguel Nunez is in the building. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not broke and he ain't broke. It was

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: Funny because you were like, wait, what we go to

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Speaker 2: what broke?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna take you back.

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Speaker 2: You gotta write, Miguel.

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Speaker 1: It's awkward always pitching someone on taking on the show

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Speaker 1: because They're like, what are you trying to say, And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, trying to take you

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Speaker 1: back to when you were broke.

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Speaker 2: I actually got that soon as I said Eating While Broke,

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Speaker 2: I immediately thought it was an interview about when you were.

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Speaker 1: When you were when you were struggling. Yeah, I want

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Speaker 1: to know your rise to success story, all starting with

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Speaker 1: this original dish. And by the way, you let me

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Speaker 1: know what you're gonna have me eating today.

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Speaker 2: Well, you gotta remember when I first came here, I

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Speaker 2: lived in the streets.

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Speaker 1: When you lived in the streets.

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Speaker 2: I lived in the streets. I was homeless because I

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Speaker 2: ran away from home, bought a bus ticket, I ran

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Speaker 2: away to California. I didn't care. I didn't know. All

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Speaker 2: I knew is I was going to be a movie star.

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Speaker 2: That's all I ever said. So soon as I graduated

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Speaker 2: July July August, what is it? June July, August, September, October,

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Speaker 2: three months later, I mean three Belogney sandwiches and got

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Speaker 2: on a bus and came to California And no no money,

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Speaker 2: no relatives, no nothing, from where North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: From North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: And because I had been telling everybody since I was

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Speaker 2: a kid, I'm gonna be a movie start, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go round away to Hollywood as soon as I graduated,

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Speaker 2: running away to Hollywood. I said it from the first

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Speaker 2: grade through the twelfth and I did it.

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Speaker 1: When you say, you read away, So does that mean

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Speaker 1: your parents were all the way in on this journey?

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Speaker 2: No, I was. I ran away. When you run away,

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Speaker 2: you don't.

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Speaker 1: Usually you know, you don't include them men on that.

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Speaker 2: No, you leave if you let them know. But I

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Speaker 2: know I wrote a note. I literally wrote a note.

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Speaker 2: Wait till everybody left the house, rolle a note, got

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Speaker 2: on the bus. I looked like I was ten. I

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Speaker 2: was forty eleven and weighed seventy five pounds when I graduated.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, probably say, dang, you grew after high school. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what happened to my little My older brother, he

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Speaker 1: was like really small and then right when he hit college,

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Speaker 1: he like grew.

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Speaker 2: You know why black people are taller? Why because their negroes.

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Speaker 1: Ohious, So you get on the bus with these baloney sandwiches,

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Speaker 1: but today, what are you gonna have it?

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Speaker 2: Oh So anyway, so once I got here and I

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Speaker 2: started to coming up and one of the things that

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Speaker 2: I men didn't have a lot of money for food

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Speaker 2: because I didn't really eat a lot so and I

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Speaker 2: was just always got my go to and that is

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Speaker 2: can you hear me? Junk show? And I'm sorry, and

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Speaker 2: this is a good plug. So y'all can send me

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Speaker 2: some spam spam spam, egg and cheese. And I would

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Speaker 2: eat that every So I would eat it for breakfast,

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Speaker 2: and I would eat it for dinner and lunch every

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Speaker 2: single day because I had a whole thing. So I

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Speaker 2: could eat that that that'd be breakfast, and that'd be lunch,

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Speaker 2: and that'd be dinner. But you gotta kind of fix

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Speaker 2: it up. Now, can't just eat spam because spam is

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Speaker 2: a little too salty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had this on the show before and I

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Speaker 1: try to slither of it once, like just straight out

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Speaker 1: the cant and it was extremely salty.

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Speaker 2: It's very salty. But that's why if I put my

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Speaker 2: egg in the cheese, that's gonna you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: dilute the salt because you I don't have to put

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Speaker 2: any salt in the eggs because that helps with the eggs.

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Speaker 2: So it takes a little bit. And then you put

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Speaker 2: that miracle whip on our mayonnaise. You put that miracle

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Speaker 2: whip on him.

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Speaker 1: I love how you were very like, don't forget the

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Speaker 1: miracle whip.

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Speaker 2: Nope, you can't forget the miracle. I wouldn't. I don't

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Speaker 2: think if I made a sandwich, so funny because that's

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Speaker 2: the commercial to have. If I made a sandwich and

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Speaker 2: I ran to get the America whip after it was

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Speaker 2: already and there wasn't any, I probably wouldn't eat the sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Really. Wow, Okay, that's how important it is.

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Speaker 2: That's how important it is.

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Speaker 1: All right, So while you start cooking, so you have

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Speaker 1: the just so all our listeners know we have the spam,

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Speaker 1: the bread, the egg, the cheese, and the miracle with

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Speaker 1: this meal is less than a couple of bucks, right,

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Speaker 1: you know exactly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you won't know. For bread and and and and

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Speaker 2: and and the cannon spam could last you two days,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy. And and a carton of eggs. I'm straight

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Speaker 2: for the week. Cut some slash, cut two pieces real thin,

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Speaker 2: but then cook an.

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Speaker 1: Egg two But you started eating this when you started

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Speaker 1: booking gigs or oh no, it's a rotation between blowney

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Speaker 1: sandwiches and.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no no. I ate that when I was

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Speaker 2: coming out, you know, because that was that could last

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Speaker 2: the longest. And you go the furthest and and and

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Speaker 2: like I said, I still eat today.

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Speaker 1: I probably still will eat it today.

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Speaker 2: I got probably five cans right now. I have never

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Speaker 2: been without spam. What absolutely all right?

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Speaker 1: You know Hawaii Sam Eggs sandwich maker, I've ever tried.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you gotta be a spam lover. You're ever been

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Speaker 2: to Hawaii? No, Hawaii. It's the number one met in Hawaii.

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Speaker 2: It's the number one spam Burger's spam, egg and cheese

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Speaker 2: breakfast in McDonald's line around the corner. It's the number

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Speaker 2: one selling breakfast in every single fast food has it

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Speaker 2: only only Hawaii. They have spam burgers, spam breakfast, uh,

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Speaker 2: spam burritos, everything, and that's all they eat because.

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Speaker 1: You probably love it there, you're like, I did, hello, And.

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Speaker 2: That's because of you know, the world with the war.

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Speaker 2: When they were having a tournament camps, that's what they

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Speaker 2: gave them. They dropped spam in them, so it became

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Speaker 2: like a staple.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. I was talking to my girlfriend yesterday and

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Speaker 1: sometimes when we'll go out to eat, they'll order bone

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Speaker 1: marrow and I look at her and I'm like, yo,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe people are paying for bone marrow. Like

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, my mom would like force

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Speaker 1: us to eat it, and that was like something you

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And now it's like really expensive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My girlfriend was like, and when we order marrow,

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Speaker 1: don't say nothing at the table. I'm like, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: It just baffles me that you guys are literally eating

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Speaker 2: Wait, okay. So I've never had what this bone marrow tastes.

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Speaker 1: It is basically like fat grease in the bone. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it has a little bit of taste

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Speaker 1: to it. I'm Jamaica. You have yeah, my mom, you

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Speaker 1: know that in Jamaica that's like the best part of

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Speaker 1: the meal. But growing up, it was.

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Speaker 2: Like, wait, what does it taste like? It's for the viewers,

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Speaker 2: like soap.

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Speaker 1: Looks like the meat juices, I guess like the meat

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Speaker 2: It's like if you cook something and then it has

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Speaker 2: some like leftover stuff and you break the things, it

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Speaker 2: tastes horrible. Let me tell you what about chits.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't have you ever had chien?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I have.

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Speaker 2: But you know, that's like the grossest thing you can eat.

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Speaker 1: Really, it is really I don't know, because I as

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Speaker 1: a Jamaican, I eat tripe. You don't tripe, how stomach.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what that's not.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you have cow silming, okay, it'll be

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Speaker 1: that's chilling.

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Speaker 2: Chiling is the part what the go through. That's why

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Speaker 2: the whole house stink.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But and I hated Chitling's and because the whole house

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Speaker 2: stink because you know, it's got this stuff in And

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Speaker 2: but then I went to a family reunion in North

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Speaker 2: Carolina because I was raised in North Carolina. The mom

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Speaker 2: she I was born in New York. My mother was

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Speaker 2: the writer of it. It's a Man's World, James Brown's

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Speaker 2: biggest hit. And I was born in New York.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys grew up with a lot of money?

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Speaker 1: Because she wrote that she did.

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Speaker 2: We didn't. She did, but we didn't. That's a whole

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Speaker 2: another story. No, none of that. It's a whole freaking

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Speaker 2: other story. She gave us to our grandmother when we

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Speaker 2: and whatever. And but she gave us to our grandma.

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Speaker 2: So I at three, I went to North Carolina. I

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Speaker 2: was raised on a farm. Okay, so I forgot where

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Speaker 2: we were going with that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, oh you got a good story. Will start

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Speaker 1: cooking for me please.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you some spam. I don't tell the

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Speaker 2: people how to do it, but you gotta bust it out.

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Speaker 1: You gotta bust it out now.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you gotta turn it on. How the hell? I

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Speaker 2: don't know how to do all that.

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Speaker 1: You don't cook at home?

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Speaker 2: Now? Yeah, but I got the old fire ones the gas.

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Speaker 1: Look, I love when people do this, just for the record,

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Speaker 1: so everybody knows we have fake insurance at our studio.

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Speaker 1: Did you really just put your hand on it on

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Speaker 1: the red I just.

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Speaker 2: Want to make sure it's working.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what anybody would turn a stove on

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Speaker 1: and put their hand directly on it, but we do

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Speaker 1: not have insurance here. So if anything were to happen. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's how you get it out, Okay. I was wondering

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Speaker 1: that the whole time. So you just put some air

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Speaker 1: in the bottles and it comes right out ktch.

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Speaker 2: It hat okay, and then you gotta slice it. Now,

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Speaker 2: it's not good when you make it really really fat.

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Speaker 1: Actually, the smell of it. You used to this, but.

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Speaker 2: You don't like this, man, smell like old socks. You

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Speaker 2: can eat some.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat. You have to cook for both of us, oh,

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Speaker 1: for two people today.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you're the woman you're supposed to be cooking.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you how, nah man, on this show,

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Speaker 1: I get to see y'all cook for me. Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: good enough, all right? And then okay, so we got

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Speaker 1: the thin slices. So take me back to what was

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Speaker 1: going on exactly in the moment that you were eating

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Speaker 1: this spam sandwich. Is at the earliest, since you still

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Speaker 1: like them.

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Speaker 2: Oh, at the earliest, like when I was coming.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, let's just say, well, yeah, yeah, let's go back,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like your mom situation sounds a little interesting.

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Speaker 2: To Okay, let's go back. Do you want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with your mom. Okay, because it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: of interesting, it is, Okay, Let me.

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Speaker 2: Story my mother, right, My mother was wild. Put to

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Speaker 2: But all of my other brother my mom had seven

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Speaker 2: me back to my mother. Three of my brother's fathers

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Speaker 2: So we were so we were all raised in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: So that's how. And when my mom would come home,

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Speaker 2: it would be like sug Avy. I swear I thought

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Speaker 2: North Carolina. One, you have no clue this her story?

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Speaker 1: Damn that sounds good, all right, continue, So none of

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Speaker 1: So was your dad?

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Speaker 2: My dad was some Dominican guy she met in New York.

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Speaker 2: And what happened with my dad? My dad? I guess

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Speaker 2: when she took me to North Carolina. I never met him.

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Speaker 2: They don't know who he is, never met him. But

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Speaker 2: talk to him. He said, okay, we'll come back. He

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Speaker 2: working tomorrow. When she went back there next day, he

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Speaker 2: I never knew my father. Oh wow, I always wanted

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Speaker 2: to know, you know, you see. Yeah, see people their

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Speaker 2: dad didn't want know what it was like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, but you don't even know his name or anything.

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Speaker 2: Miguel Anna I'm a junior.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: He was from Dominican Republic. He was worked at a

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Speaker 2: zipper factory. I got that stuff. But even when I

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Speaker 2: looked up Miguel Nunya that set seven hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: they were look, they would't open the door. I don't

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you end up being raised by your grandmother.

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Speaker 1: Is your mom at least sending money back to take

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Speaker 2: Well she was doing that for Yes, she was sending

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Speaker 2: money to take care of us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, definitely, you guys still had a good relationship.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, my mom. Uh. First of all, like

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Speaker 2: a player.

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Speaker 3: First of all, the the the the m v P

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Speaker 3: of players, absolute play, I give you the sugar, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was that.

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Speaker 2: It really was that. The whole neighborhood would be there,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna pull a picture of your mom.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's one online. We heard in her first coat

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Speaker 2: and and uh we call it Betty Jean because we

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Speaker 1: Okay, I heard.

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Speaker 2: At least twenty times in my life. Don't ever call

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Speaker 2: me mother. I have never had an ugly style. I

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Speaker 2: like you before in my life? Ugly what child? Like

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Speaker 2: you before? In my life?

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Speaker 1: What she would say that life you got? Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: But now she lives with me? No way.

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Speaker 1: This is a crazy question. I really shouldn't ask it,

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Speaker 1: but I'm curious because because now that I'm older and

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Speaker 1: I meet guys that have like some kind of mommy

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Speaker 1: dynamic that's a little off. Did you have any type

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Speaker 1: of this is terrible?

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Speaker 2: But I ain't no terrible And if you're going to

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Speaker 2: start being I'm gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you have Do you have mommy issues?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: In your relationships?

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Speaker 2: I think so because when I'm with a girl, I

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Speaker 2: like to be with them. I'm very affectionate. I just

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Speaker 2: do all the things that I didn't get, so I

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Speaker 2: think I do.

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Speaker 1: Okay as a woman ever said that to you?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: I just, I just, I know it is women love affections.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because my mind. Because here's when my mom come on.

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Speaker 2: She would give us money, and all everybody else would

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Speaker 2: back then she would hundred hundred I know that. Back

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Speaker 2: then that's like a thousand. Yeah, except me. I take

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Speaker 2: all right, And and I used to go in everyone

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Speaker 2: go and look and stay there. When she would leave,

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Speaker 2: I would go into her room and I would take

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Speaker 2: left they did. They would all run.

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Speaker 1: Were you the baby, middle child?

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Speaker 2: Ye, oldest, second oldest?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I like how you're smashing the breath. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So you you definitely adored your mom?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, well, I mean yeah, I adored the thought

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Speaker 1: What did your grandma say about your mom? Did she

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Speaker 2: Never, she never said anything about her. We never heard

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Speaker 2: anything about her. And then she would come home. I say,

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Speaker 2: in my entire life growing up, I saw her probably

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Speaker 2: three days. I probably saw her twenty minutes. Wow, that

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Speaker 2: was all we were allowed. And never knew when she left.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she didn't even say goodbye.

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Speaker 2: We were like, where's the Jeanet boy, get your skinny

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Speaker 2: ice out here? She left two days ago? Never ever?

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so take me back to uh damn. So

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Speaker 1: was she rich? I'm just curious she was? And okay,

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Speaker 1: And but you you didn't really necessarily see the fruits

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Speaker 2: The only thing we saw when she came home, when

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Speaker 2: she had about twenty million dollars worth of jury on

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Speaker 2: and now who's here my other brother, right, Frankie, when

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Speaker 2: and I wish I had that photo when she first

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Speaker 2: brought them home to leave, when they got three, she

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Speaker 2: had on a Frankie. He was probably three. He had

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Speaker 2: on a little white mink coat original meat, probably about

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Speaker 2: two thousand and three thousand dollars, little mink white boots

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Speaker 2: and a mink white hat. And he had on a

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Speaker 2: black one, oh wow. And she had on a black

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Speaker 2: and white one. And she always came home with She

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Speaker 2: loves to have stacks of money on her that's her

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Speaker 1: Your mom was definitely a player. Okay, okay, she's one

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Speaker 1: hundred player hot lady, Okay, yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: She know she was. She's older now, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm taking care of her because you know she's a

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Speaker 2: little she's eighty four years old, but she's still like

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Speaker 2: she's sixteen. She wants to go out every.

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Speaker 1: Club, no way, really.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. There's no difference than her now and

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Speaker 2: when she was sixteen now.

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Speaker 1: So like she'll get up at like nine o'clock and

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Speaker 1: be like, I'm going out.

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Speaker 2: And no she can't, but I have a driver take her.

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Speaker 2: Wish it. But if you said, if I say, if

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Speaker 2: like right now, she was like, where y'all go? And

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Speaker 2: we told her where we're going? Why y'all could have

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Speaker 2: told men, she'll jump up and get ready and be

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Speaker 2: ready to go, no matter where you're going, no matter

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Speaker 2: what you're doing, always in the mix.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so I'm gonna skip to the part where

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So, well, before that, you said, from the age of sixties.

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Speaker 2: Since I was born, I said I was going to

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Speaker 2: move move to Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And where do you think that that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know because I this is before I even

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Speaker 2: knew my mam was even involved. This is before I'd

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Speaker 2: ever even watched television. It was the first thing I

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Speaker 2: ever said I was going to do it. And to this.

441
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 1: Day, watch out that that's melting?

442
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 2: What on that sh shit? You're hilarious, idiot? Oh thank

443
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,640
Speaker 2: god you're here. And to this day I still say,

444
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 2: and I I tell people, I don't know where it

445
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 2: came from. Every side way, your mama's doing it. No,

446
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 2: But that was before I was saying I wanted to

447
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,160
Speaker 2: be a movie star. And now that I think about it,

448
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 2: that was even before I even knew what a movie

449
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 2: star was. I didn't even think I had watched television yet. Wow.

450
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So take me back to when you start plotting

451
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: on running Away, because it was it wasn't.

452
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,199
Speaker 2: Oh, it was just it was never every day. I

453
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: had already had my job. I was working. I knew

454
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 2: what I was gonna do Friday, Da da dah. I

455
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: was planning the whole thing. And I'd got a job

456
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 2: and I got my first check. It was God, that's

457
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 2: how I know. And literally I was like out of

458
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 2: the clipbl the s guys to shoot. This is enough

459
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 2: to get to Hollywood, packed a little suitcase and made

460
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 2: me three blown the sandwiches. Which one is this one?

461
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,959
Speaker 1: The one that you're touching another one? Yeah?

462
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: And it down.

463
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: And I literally you be leaving all this stuff on

464
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: the You're hilarious. How do you cook at home? You

465
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 1: put he puts like tissues, uh, spatulas on the stove

466
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 1: like everything.

467
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: You're not no, no, but see if it was fire, I

468
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 2: wouldn't because I see it. But now this looked like

469
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 2: a cabinet.

470
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So so you so you run away from home.

471
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 1: What's what's the letter in a note saying?

472
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 2: I said, I said, where's that note? I said, I

473
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: know somebody had a long time ago. I don't even

474
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 2: know they had found it, But I don't know. I

475
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 2: should have went home and got it I kept one

476
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: that I got when I was living at the Union

477
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: Rescue Mission. When I had been at the Union Rescue

478
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: Mission for a long time and I finally decided to

479
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: write home. And I was so excited to get this.

480
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: You got a letter, And I was like, and I

481
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: got opened up and all I opened up. All I

482
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: said was call home food, Call home food. I swear

483
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 2: to God. And I found that letter. I got it.

484
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 2: That was from aunt, But that was.

485
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: From your aunt. Shout out to the aunt.

486
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: But listen, I just literally thought of at that minute

487
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 2: and did it and went home and I went to

488
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 2: the bus station. Matter of fact, the last person I

489
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: saw was him sneaking to school late when I left

490
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 2: North Carolina.

491
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what you were up?

492
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: Nobody did. Nobody did, Okay, nobody did. Okay, what am

493
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: I gonna do? Okay, girl, you about to get it.

494
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: Don't you have to make four slices of bread?

495
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: Nope, I'm gonna just eat a half a sandwich. You're

496
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 2: gonna eat half?

497
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay?

498
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 2: Oh I should have made two squad them. Okay.

499
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: So now, oh, you know, at one point, what are

500
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: you gonna cook? Eggs? I love judging you you're a

501
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: great storyteller.

502
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: By the way, it's easy when it's coming from here.

503
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: So okay, so you run, so you're you run away

504
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: below the sandwich.

505
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 2: I walked down the street walk that and this is

506
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: I know is God because it's like fifteen people in

507
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: the house because all my brothers are there, seven brothers

508
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: plus my five aunts, and so there's never a time

509
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: where there's nobody in the house.

510
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: So it was my grandmother that raised you. It was

511
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: your arms, Tair, it.

512
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: Was my grandmother. They had five daughters, so they took

513
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: us in and they was all of a sudden in

514
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: the same house. So there was never time there was

515
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: nobody there. So when I walk home and get home,

516
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: there's nobody there.

517
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: Oh that's how you know it was God.

518
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: Exactly, you walked in like, oh shoot, I said, I said,

519
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: I said, I said my mother. I said, I'm running.

520
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to Hollywood and make something of myself. That's

521
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: exactly what I said. And and I just went down

522
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: to walked down the train track, and I would look

523
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: think about all the memories. And I got in the

524
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: bus and I was hiding because the bus station in

525
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: the middle of town, and my grandparents have to pass

526
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: there to come home from work. So I was just

527
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: in the back holding down. As soon as the bus

528
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: start taking off, I never once realized the seriousness of

529
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: what I had, did not even eyeoda I saw geting

530
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: on that bus and where I am now. There was

531
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind what soever I was gonna

532
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 2: be where I'm man. None, none, that's what I saw.

533
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: I figured. I didn't know what the hell was gonna

534
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: happen in the middle, but whatever that was, it's gonna

535
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: work out, because I know that's gonna happen.

536
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's certain.

537
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: Certain, one hundred percent. Now that's the difference between that's

538
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: what you gotta have. You don't one hundred percent truly

539
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 2: absolutely believe in yourself and what you do, you're gonna

540
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 2: end up turning back if you nobody could go through

541
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: what I went through. And I'm gonna share tell you,

542
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: nobody could go through it. Sleeping behind the bus station,

543
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: waking up with lice every day and having to get

544
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: sprayed with poison and and that's the kind of stuff

545
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: that make people turn around and go back home. Yeah,

546
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: they can't take it because somebody told them they were cute,

547
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: somebody told them that they can. They were a good actor,

548
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: and they didn't really have the desire the desire with

549
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: somebody else. I used to sit on the porch my uncle,

550
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: who was a Cadillac dealer. He would come home for

551
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: family union, and once he had a Cadillact that had

552
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: hollyo A California license plates, and I was about eleven

553
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: years old. I sat outside on the street touching it

554
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: all day long, going, this car is in California. That's

555
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: where I'm gonna leave. You really left where I knew it.

556
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: I knew it, and and that's why you got it.

557
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: You can't pinpoint what was the initial trigger or how

558
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: you found out about it. I found out about what

559
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: like Hollywood and all that.

560
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: I don't know where it came from my mom, but

561
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: we had that regular encyclopedia thing and that people have

562
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: bring and every time I would come home, I would

563
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: run home and grab a Psyclepe and look up Hollywood

564
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: and just read everything I could on Hollywood, and I

565
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 2: would send letters.

566
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: I love that there's an encyclopedia involved in this story.

567
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: The old one, and that's what I did. And I

568
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: mean I just knew, I just knew I was I

569
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: didn't know why I was gonna do it, and I

570
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: never realized the seriousness of what I'd done until I

571
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: actually got here, because I ended up. I went to

572
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: the bus station and I said, can I get a

573
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: ticket to a thought like this? When I first got here,

574
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: my nickname was country boy, so I talked this like

575
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 2: this A nice my name again, New Years. I from

576
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: West North Carolina. I want to be a actor. I

577
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: was gonna get a ticket of Hollywood. He said no,

578
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: And I thought you had to be an actor to

579
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: get in Hollywood, which I found out later as I

580
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: was at the trailway station. Trailway goes downtown, Oh, skid Row,

581
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: Oh Greyhound, I went to Hollywood. I didn't know that.

582
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: I just thought you had to be an actor. So

583
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: he said you can go to Los Angeles, and I

584
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: said okay. When I got me a ticket and hid

585
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: in the back and I just got here. I had

586
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: about twenty eight dollars and two dollars when I land,

587
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: and I thought I was gonna get here six and

588
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: main the worst place ever, right across from a bus station.

589
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be the movie Star

590
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: lights and I was to meet somebody, and that was

591
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: going to be it. And it wasn't until I got

592
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: here on the worst possible street. You come, man, skid row. Yeah,

593
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: and then I look outside. That was the first time

594
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: I won. I realized seriousness of what I had done.

595
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: You're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, this is

596
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: the Hollywood I mentioned. So then what was your initial thought?

597
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: Were you like, oh shit, because you said that's when

598
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: you realize the gratitude of what you did.

599
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: What I did. What I did was no, no, I did.

600
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: I tried to sleep in the bus station. He kicked

601
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: me out, So you can't stay in the bus station.

602
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 2: So he me out of the bus station. And then

603
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: I said I would walk around in the street and

604
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: walk around in the streets and walk around the street.

605
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: And I had one of those box raizors that we

606
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: keeping in a climb. So I had two dollars left.

607
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: And there was an all night movie theater. That's a

608
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: place for one dollar.

609
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: Oh smart, oh good.

610
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: So I was go in the movie theater. Yeah right,

611
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: So I go in the movie. There I'm sitting in

612
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: my seats and I had to put my feet up

613
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: like this because.

614
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: There's rats running around and in the movie theater and

615
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm like this.

616
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: Every five minutes. I wait five and I got my

617
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: razor right here like this. And this was just God

618
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: protecting me, giving me a warning early. And I'm sitting

619
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: in the movie theater and all the way down there's

620
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: like a few people in there. There's a guy. He

621
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: could see a head, and every time I wake up,

622
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: the head was closer, closer, closer. And the last time

623
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: I walk up some big, nasty, homeless person, when I

624
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: popped my raisor out like that, he jumped up and ran.

625
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: That was guy's way of telling me to watch out.

626
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: So from that point on, I would walk around at

627
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: night and sleep in the day.

628
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh smart.

629
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: So then one time I was sleeping on a park

630
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: bench and it was raining and some guy was like, like,

631
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: I said, I looked like I was ten. He was like, hey,

632
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: what are you doing out here? And I said I

633
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: was telling. The guy was like, you know, my name

634
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: micguil noony other from what six Ford, the Cemetery Street,

635
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: what's north Clown? I came here to be an actor.

636
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: I love your accent.

637
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: And he was like, oh oh god, he said, while

638
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: you on the street And I told him I had

639
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: no way to stay, and he said why don't you

640
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: go to the mission? I was like, what is that?

641
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: So he told me out to the Union Rescue Mission.

642
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: I ain't up moving to the Union Rescue Mission. I

643
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: lived there for a while, got on welfare, got a job,

644
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: quit the job, started sneaking in the studios, getting kicked.

645
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: Out, trying to sneaking into acting to the what studios.

646
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: I would tell my friends, I want to go into

647
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: Universal Studio and I want to take the I want

648
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 2: to go to Universe Studio and I want to walk

649
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: around on the sense and I want to see how

650
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: it's done and I can learn. They was like, man,

651
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: they ain't gonna let you do that. I'm like, ain't

652
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: gonna let me go? Nothing to do with that. So

653
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: then I went there when Day I said name, my

654
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: name is mcgil now short Universal. My name is Miguel

655
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: Noon is from Wistle nor Kline. I just want to

656
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: walk around. I'm not gonna bother nobody's get your skinny

657
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: ass out of here. You can't do that. And I'm like,

658
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: he not gonna let you. You can't. Those things don't

659
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: compute to me. So I sit around the watch. So

660
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: next thing I know, I noticed what's going So I said, okay,

661
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: I get how I'm gonna do this. So I saved

662
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: my money. I started selling my blood plasma, so so

663
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: I saved all my money. And then I take the

664
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: Universal's studio tour.

665
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

666
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: And then after a while they said, well, we're gonna

667
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: get off here. I went, it's okay. I hope they

668
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: can't see this anyway. He goes, all right, guys, we're

669
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: gonna go inside this thing here and we're gonna show

670
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: you how it's a simulation of how we do TV shows.

671
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I want to go to the real thing.

672
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: So I thought. He said, all right, everybody, come this way,

673
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: come this way, come this way, Come this way to

674
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: the Traim's gonna pick us up on the other side.

675
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: Come this way, come this way. While everybody was coming

676
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: this way, coming this way, I went that way, that way,

677
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: that way, and I went around and did exactly what

678
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: I do everything they said. I couldn't do everything, he

679
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: said they won't let me do. And then at the

680
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: end of the day, I came in and got on

681
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: the last train, and I would go to all those

682
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: TV shows and movies and sit at the top of

683
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: the thing. They were doing big movies and just sit

684
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: there all day and look. And that's how I learned.

685
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: That's how you never never take no for an answer,

686
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: never ever.

687
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: I always say, like, especially, never take no from someone

688
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't have the ability to say yes. I like that, yeah,

689
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: because a lot of people will get rejected. I washed

690
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: all the dishes around here. Look at this sandwich. It

691
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: looks legit. You know what, guys, I noticed about when

692
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: Miguel made his sandwich, which was interesting, is he would

693
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: let the butter marinate the bread, and he would like

694
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: soak it in there, so you know the sandwich is

695
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: gonna taste amazing, just by the way he did the bread.

696
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: Just by the way he did the bread he smashed

697
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: with the butter. I'm so confident that. Look, Jared, you

698
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: want to come in here.

699
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: I love it.

700
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: You need a little like you need to rewrite your story,

701
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: like as a movie.

702
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: I just.

703
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: You are, Yeah, because it sounds like it would be

704
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: a bread y'all have no clue. It sounds like an

705
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: absolutely incredible.

706
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: Movie faith determination, never giving up.

707
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah you have to isn't an amazing story?

708
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: Cage, are you right? Say? I was gonna say, where's

709
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: this tea? I love sweet teeth. You love.

710
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: I just got a kettle by the way, do you

711
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: have one. It's like a kettle that it's like electric thing.

712
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: You put the water in, it keeps it up all day.

713
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: So your tea, your hot water.

714
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: Oh that's a guest today.

715
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: You literally have it at my house.

716
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: I wish I hadn't bring gifts for your guests.

717
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna this is. This is very budget consciously.

718
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: You got to be professional.

719
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is about to try the sad Are

720
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: we going this is? Yeah?

721
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Tell him about my Jared. Are we going? Okay?

722
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: So he soaked it in the butter. It looks like

723
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna taste good. I love that you smashed. It

724
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: makes me feel like you are a condoiseur. So we

725
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: are gonna see if Miguel can make me switch to spam,

726
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: egg and cheese sandwiches with miracle whip.

727
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: They're still salty.

728
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: It's salty, but it's it's good.

729
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: Thank you. Right.

730
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm surprised though, not to set off track, but you

731
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: see how you wipe my mouth. You're so very nice.

732
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: They're minerable. I don't know what the word is, but.

733
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: Because of my aunt's I think and you say. I

734
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: say that because I think they trained us. I think

735
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: they trained us because I swear to God that the

736
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: movie would be it was the real Cinderella. Our aunts

737
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: were older and they lost a lot of things. When

738
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: of them lost their room because we all had the

739
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: same room, we had to take their room. They didn't

740
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: want to vacations because they had to spend the extra money.

741
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: And they were and we were. It was literally Cinderella.

742
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: They and made us do everything. We got beatings because

743
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: of them. They hated us being there in the beginning.

744
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: We've changed, but we had to have all bought us,

745
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: had a night. I had watched dishes every Tuesday, my

746
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: brother Wednesday.

747
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I thought you were going to say that

748
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: they were like extra affectionate with you guys.

749
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Hell no, I a'm affectionate. I don't think I've seen

750
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: in my entire life never ever heard, ever heard the

751
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: way I love you in our house. It wasn't it

752
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: wasn't that kind of a house.

753
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: But then yet you end up growing up to be

754
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: extra affectionate.

755
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: I think it's because you miss it.

756
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I noticed with my daughter too. I'm like that,

757
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I love you, I love you.

758
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: Let me, hug you right.

759
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't ever want you to feel that feeling.

760
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: I could trun do somebody. She was daddy, I can't believe.

761
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: I can't believe.

762
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: Okay, So take me back to okay. You you're on

763
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: the sets, you're learning, and what happens next?

764
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: I made it.

765
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: It don't sound like it was that fast.

766
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: Wait, to be honest with you, I'm lucky because I did.

767
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: I was.

768
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: Still struggling, and I'm on the bus. I see this

769
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: guy going and I'm like, what are you doing? He said,

770
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: I'm an actor. I'm going ready to go to this

771
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: cattle call. I said, my name Migail Nuoniam six forty

772
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: seventire Street, whist North Carolina. I came here to be

773
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: an actor. And he was like that. He was telling

774
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: me what he was going for, and he was like,

775
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: I said, what is that? He's here? This is a resume.

776
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to get one in here. Can I

777
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: keep you can keep it? You got to get a resume.

778
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: You got to get pictured dah damn. He get ready

779
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: to get off again. Sorry, and then he gets off

780
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: the bus. He goes in the park and I look

781
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: up that see cameras. So the next stop I get off,

782
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: I'll go to a Copey place. I'll waite his name out,

783
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: put my name in over and make another copy and

784
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: go back. Get in a line.

785
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.

786
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. As you're street smart, I didn't

787
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: know cattle call that you had to. I didn't know

788
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: what a cattle call. You didn't need any of that,

789
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: but I didn't.

790
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.

791
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, cattle call. What cattle call audition is different. Cattle

792
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: calls means they just want to face. They don't give

793
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: a damn who you are. A major movie. They looking

794
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: for cattle call. They want a new start. So I

795
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: get in line and I got the lead in it.

796
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: It was a National Genos restaurant commercial and I took that.

797
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: He was like I did, and the guy you have

798
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: an agent. I was like, now, I'm no conjact. He said,

799
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: how did you get in? I said, hey, that guy

800
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: right there. And the guy came up. He said, I

801
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 2: said he told me about on the bus. He said,

802
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: what you got it? And I was like that and

803
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: then he said he said, I'll take him to my agent.

804
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: So he takes me to his agent and I get

805
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 2: there and I say my name again, Newia and six

806
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: sort Semis Street wasna I come in to be an

807
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: eight and he was like, hey, okay, okay, I like you.

808
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: I like you. You know what I'm assigning you. I said,

809
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: I want to go more of those cattle call things.

810
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: See me an audition. I said, yeah, you can have

811
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: this money. I want to be in the movies and

812
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: the TV.

813
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: You said you can have the what this money?

814
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: It was a commercial. I'm thinking of the movies and TV.

815
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: I didn't know. He said, no, this is on TV.

816
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: I didn't know, of course, And he goes.

817
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Did you tell him you can have the money from it?

818
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he said, me on more of those things

819
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: for movies and be on TV, okay, you know. So

820
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: then he said, ah, it is on TV to so anyway,

821
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, I like you. So he signed me up.

822
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: And then I think the next thirty jobs, I probably

823
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: got twenty eight of them, thirty eight of them, next forty,

824
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: I probably got thirty eight of them.

825
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: Wow.

826
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: And then three years later I was on a national

827
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: on CBS. I hit the show called Tour of Duty

828
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: on CBS. Wow. And now I work. I just started working.

829
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say.

830
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: I never stopped working all throughout the eighties and nineties.

831
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: I got ninety percent of every job that was.

832
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: Out for acting. So you ended up never having to

833
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: get a real job again.

834
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: I never had a real job again.

835
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: WHOA wow. You talk about determination, perseverance, absolutely and focus.

836
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: Do you think a lot of the people that helped

837
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: you along the way, like the agent wanted to sign you,

838
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: they saw that like that, like in a censor.

839
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: I think no agents and managers. My first manager was

840
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: Sheryl Levane. She's who try to stay with front Hell

841
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: if she really did care, I've never had agent that

842
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: carried as much as she did. Most agents and managers

843
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 2: they won't give a damn.

844
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just want to check.

845
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: They just want to check now. They like if you

846
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: if you got that, that it because they know they

847
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: can get money. But that's the I don't know if

848
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: they truly believe in you, destiny, they truly know, they don't.

849
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: They just hoping that you can get as many jobs

850
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: being that guy right there, as cute as you can

851
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: till I can get somebody else and replace you.

852
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what happened to your first manager?

853
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: Oh? No, you know just like when you start coming up.

854
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: First thing you think, and this is to all your

855
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: young guys out there, you know, I gotta go with

856
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: the bigger management. I gotta go with the bigger you

857
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: show you can go and grow and grow. And all

858
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: the big ones started coming after me and I did.

859
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: But that's not what you should do.

860
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: And I wish I had none, really, yeah, because I

861
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: hear that a lot, like, but it's the standard thing.

862
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: Oh, you need to go with them now because you're

863
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: at a different level. Yeah, and it's like it's been

864
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: going that way forever. No one ever ever win. Anybody

865
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: say hold on, stay, No, you shouldn't do it, you

866
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: should stand it. No one never told that that's that's

867
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: what you're supposed to do. Yeah, it's a it's a step,

868
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: it's a level. I was told by everything. It's a level.

869
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: And then you gotta go with these and then you

870
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: gotta go see a gotta all of this stuff. I

871
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: was knocking them out. I don't care. I would have

872
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: got the same job with her as I would have

873
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: did with the other one, but I didn't know at

874
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: that time.

875
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: So but you don't have any way to contact her

876
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: now she's gone.

877
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: Are you cool with her now, I'm cool with her now.

878
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: Okay.

879
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: Ill was always cool with him. Wow, she's not a

880
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: manager anymore.

881
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay. So since making it, were there any

882
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: hurdles after that you saw that you could you you know,

883
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: like anything that kind of made it hard? That part

884
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: of the journey.

885
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: What your part?

886
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: The part on the rise to the top, the rise.

887
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: To success, the hardest part of my rise, Suss. There's

888
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: always been mo what black production, And to be honest

889
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: with you say that again black production. I had one production.

890
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: I've had one one casting Rictor once didn't bring in

891
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: for a project, and then when I went in for

892
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: another project got it. She was a catching breaktor. I

893
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: asked her why, she said, oh, stop, you get all

894
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: the jobs, let somebody else get some. She didn't bring

895
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: me in because she thought I would get it and

896
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: somebody else wouldn't get it. But that's not your job. Yeah,

897
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: because I was getting all the jobs, they wanted somebody

898
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: else to get one. But that's not your determination. I

899
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: was not brought in for Joana Man. I was told

900
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't right. I was not brought in for sparks.

901
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: Sparks and sparks. I told I was told I wasn't

902
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: right when I took over that show. Every single thing

903
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: I've got in my career I literally had to fight for.

904
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: Nothing has come easy, even like now. All the work

905
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: that I've done and.

906
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: I'm still getting it's done a lot of work.

907
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: By the way, carry the movie for the WB carried

908
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: out to two year movies. And I'm just getting a

909
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: call to audition for two lines on a Tyler Perry movie,

910
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: three lines on this and two lines on a BT

911
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: show TV show. When I'm on the TV show, when

912
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: I'm on the number one show on BT, Yeah, they

913
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: want me. They want me to come in audition for

914
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: this show. What show? This show? Yeah, it wars it on,

915
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: It's on BT B T don't know. It's like it

916
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: was ridiculous. It's absolutely am But I get office every

917
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: day for major network, big shows. They call me in

918
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: say availability and ba ba bone. But somehow, all the

919
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: black shows and all of those things, they're asking me

920
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 2: to read for two or three little lines. I'm better

921
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: than everybody. You cast foods in the whole movie and

922
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: the whole TV show. You asking me to read two

923
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: and three lines. I played a woman. I played a ghost.

924
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 2: I played everything, and you're gonna do that, It's not possible.

925
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna think about.

926
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: You heard the whole What do you think about all that?

927
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: I have no clue. Like I said, I didn't need

928
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: no new minati. Yeah, if there is one, I didn't

929
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: need any of that. I didn't need any games. No

930
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: one ever tried to play for any of that Indian.

931
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying it doesn't happen because I came in.

932
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: I just started working. Yeah, I didn't have to cut

933
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: no corners.

934
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: You didn't have to.

935
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: But I can tell you this, first time I ever

936
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 2: met Cat Williams, I said to my friend. My friend

937
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: standfar said predous. He came out after last of that

938
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: guy right there. It's awesome. When I first met him,

939
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: he had all he had like some girls with him.

940
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, give him this and that and

941
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: that's this, this this. He had like five six seven

942
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: different business ventures. He had a whole different mindset. You

943
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: can tell that no one was gonna put nothing over

944
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: on him. You can already tell that he's not going

945
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: to compromise. I could already tell that he's not going

946
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: to give into anything. He was like me when you

947
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: got confidence. And you know, he didn't come up just

948
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a just comedan. He was already and

949
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: he hadn't even made it yet. He would five of

950
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: the different things. I was like, what is this? Yeah,

951
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 2: that's my this is this and she runs this department

952
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: and she did. I was like, dude, that guy right there,

953
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 2: he's awesome. That's the only thing I know about him. Wow,

954
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: And he's a super hell of a comedian. Yeah.

955
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I've seen I have some favorite comics,

956
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: but I think by Far but there was I think

957
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: I had. I had a talk with my little brother

958
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: once and I was like, I would love to see

959
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: a battle between I think it was Cat Williams. I

960
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: can't remember who the other comic was, but I just

961
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: think Cat Williams by far is one of the ultimate

962
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: golds in comedy.

963
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: I think he's funny as hell. He's here's the thing,

964
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: it's not just I like that he don't just tell jokes. Yeah,

965
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: he's like he kinda tell stories. When he throw that

966
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: thing he put his stuff in, he gives you a

967
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: whole visualization of what it is, which adds to being

968
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: funny and the way he falled on the floor. He

969
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: does these stupid people. I mean, it's a combination of

970
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: it all. He don't just stand there and tell jokes

971
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: and hope that the joe work and you laugh because

972
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 2: you think the joke's funny. He can make the joke funny,

973
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: even if not just by he added his extra stuff

974
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: to it with his crazy look. He's brilliant.

975
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: I think he's brilliant. I think after watching his interview

976
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: it was also beautiful to see the level of integrity

977
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: he had.

978
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I knew this, but people didn't know. They

979
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: didn't think he was as intelligent as he is, and

980
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: he is. I think it was a good thing for him.

981
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know about anything about all this

982
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: other stuff. Lomonnade Bluminadi. I don't know anything about all

983
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: of that stuff. I just think if you just work hard,

984
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: you don't have to do that. I think it's people

985
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: that resort to those kinds of things when they're not

986
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: sure about this self. When you got one confidence yourself

987
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: and they know me, probably why I didn't go through

988
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: any of that Hollywood bullshit because they know me. I'm loud,

989
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: Hell are you talking about?

990
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: So? When the Black production sends you those auditions. Now,

991
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: this far in your career, do you even respond or

992
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: do you know?

993
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it's embarrassed.

994
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: She also heard about like Taraji p Henson came out

995
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: with her whole thing about pay equity.

996
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: Maybe the pay equity and this thing is the worst ever.

997
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: And again like for instance, I'm on Family Business, I

998
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: make less on Family Business in the fifth season. Then

999
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: I made the first season on Tour of Duty in

1000
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. Wow. Wow.

1001
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: And there's nothing really you could do about the screen actors.

1002
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: Girl. We've talked to screen actors. Girl. I don't know

1003
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: why the screen actors get and I don't care. I

1004
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: just think it's the worst ever. They owed us money

1005
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: for over five years. I got an email from says, oh,

1006
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: we're into it in twenty twenty. I got the same

1007
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: one in twenty twenty three. Oh yeah, we're into it.

1008
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: And it's just I don't know how even the residuals

1009
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: when you see one hour drum, I make more in

1010
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: residuals from stuff I did in the eighties that's on now.

1011
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: And when the one hour episode of Family Business comeing

1012
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: on you at you get thirty dollars. Wow. That's because

1013
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: SAG allowed them to. Because when we first came on,

1014
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: we got a twenty seven hundred dollars three thousand seven

1015
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: dollars which was supposed to be every show. I don't

1016
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: know what. SAG let them check whatever box they need.

1017
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: They checked and changed it to thirty dollars. So how

1018
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: could they be paying us that one at thirty three

1019
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: thousand and seven and now it's thirty dollars for one

1020
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: hour show and it's been shown and shown and shown,

1021
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: and they're just raping us. How raping us?

1022
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: How does the whole SAG in actor dynamic work because

1023
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: you keep referencing.

1024
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: What SAG supposed to protect us as our union. So

1025
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: but now if SAG says to you, okay, you got

1026
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: to pay them twenty seven hundred, three thousand dollars per rerun, okay,

1027
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: but you know what, if you can check this box

1028
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: and you can say that you're this kind of prediction,

1029
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: then you only have to pay them thirty dollars and

1030
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: then they do that. Now, the SHAG should not allow

1031
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: them to do what they're doing. We're supposed to get

1032
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: three thousand something dollars for every time you're locked down

1033
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: during the COVID lockdown about ten times. Never got a

1034
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: what and there's so many though, Well that's because I

1035
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: mean the strike was like this, that little thing that

1036
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: they were allowed to do with that little box, wasn't there.

1037
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: That little box is put to give it to an

1038
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: example like say Netflix and all these other studios and

1039
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: streaming services. And they're back way back when when if

1040
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: it did the deal, they said, we can't afford to

1041
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: pay him three thousand something dollars because we don't get

1042
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: the same advertising dollars that the networks get. We don't

1043
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: get the same viewership. Okay, well we'll let you be

1044
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: able to do this little box. Yeah that was then.

1045
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: Now they're getting more viewers than them, they're getting bigger

1046
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: advertising dollars, and they're still they still able to get

1047
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: along with the little box. And SAgs supposed to be

1048
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: doing this. We were either re end this because of

1049
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: SAG and then we SAG. We have to go in

1050
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: strike because of this. I mean, we're all so much

1051
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: money and and and nobody from SAG. You can't call

1052
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: them every time I've called all the time, other actors

1053
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: called it does no good. They they don't want to

1054
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: go against them because you know you're gonna come and go.

1055
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna be giving that some money for other actors

1056
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: for a long time. So I get a feeling. I

1057
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: don't know, but that's my own interpretation of why they

1058
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: won't do anything.

1059
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not in it for the money. You're

1060
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: in it.

1061
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: I've never been in it for the money. I've always

1062
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: said I want to be a movie star. I want

1063
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: to I want to make a career. Because I've bet

1064
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: friends who've been movie starts to follow up and come

1065
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: back down all the way of going up my career.

1066
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: They're like this, hey, and then this, this, this, and

1067
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: now I'm down like this, here's a couple of dollars.

1068
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: Do that. Here's a couple of dollars. Do that. And

1069
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: then another year passed. I see this other actor. Oh

1070
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: he's this, he's that. He come up and he's he's

1071
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: a start, and now I see him. Now I'm down

1072
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: here loaning his money. So I just wanted a steady career,

1073
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: a steady career. I've made over to two hundred thousand

1074
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: dollars every year since i've been here, So well, i'll

1075
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: tell you this.

1076
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: So it was funny, So I of course was I

1077
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: hunted you down. I saw you at it.

1078
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I saw you. I was looking over the

1079
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: balcon I saw you down at there.

1080
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get you. And so I was

1081
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: on a call with the Black Effect, the Bookers and everybody.

1082
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: I was like, how Miguel Nunez? And I remember the

1083
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: booker saying, oh my gosh, that's so exciting because a

1084
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: lot of times you see these actors, they're like every day,

1085
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: you see them on everything, right, but you don't really

1086
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: know their story. You don't know that side of them.

1087
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: So it was kind of fun to be able to

1088
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: be like, everyone's like, just curious about you.

1089
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: You know, I'm curious about you.

1090
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what you know, my sandwich is delicious,

1091
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have to eat it after I interview

1092
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: with you.

1093
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: Of course, Oh yeah, I should have probably did that.

1094
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: So how have you not panicked in or even looked

1095
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: at some of the peers that went to the top

1096
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: and said should I? Could I be up there? Do

1097
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: you ever look at their race?

1098
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: Nope? Never. I stay at my lane. And I've been

1099
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: doing all for all of these years. I've been on

1100
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: my first TV show in nineteen eighty seven. It's twenty

1101
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: twenty four on a TV show. Now, it's only been

1102
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: two or three years when I wasn't on one at

1103
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: the end, two and three years straight. No, I'm saying

1104
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: it's only it's probably been about out of the last

1105
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: twenty maybe three or four years that I haven't been

1106
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: on a TV series since nineteen eighty seven. Okay, So

1107
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: I'm right where I wanted. My career is fine because

1108
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: I always I was scared. I really hundred million percent

1109
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: believe knowing how wild I was. If I had been,

1110
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 2: if Sky had not kept me on this, because God

1111
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: protects what God directs. My grandparent was a peak cake.

1112
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: My grandparents will preaching, so and oh you're a preacher's kid.

1113
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

1114
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: And I and if I had a gone and I

1115
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: had been this, if somebody gave me twenty five million

1116
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: dollars for a movie in the nineties, I don't think

1117
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: I'll be here right now. Oh really, I would have

1118
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: been too. While God knows exactly what and level. I'm

1119
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: so satisfied. And like I said, I've seen them go

1120
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: and they dropped some inny drops. So it wasn't about

1121
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 2: shooting that. Mine was about having a career, build a career.

1122
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to do this.

1123
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: You when you see the other people rise and drop,

1124
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: do you see like is there a level of pain

1125
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: that you see? Also, that's like where it's like, man,

1126
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: you get that high and then you hit that low.

1127
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: No. No, I can always look at the drop and

1128
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: the drop and which person is and you know where

1129
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: and where and why and how because a lot of

1130
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 2: people it's all hype. You can't survive on hype. You

1131
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: can shoot up with hype, but you can't stay there,

1132
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, because like I give you an example, like

1133
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: right now, asking me to read for this road in

1134
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: the movie, I'm like, okay, well who's starting it? And

1135
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: then I'm looking at and there's some guy who from

1136
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: the internet who you know, I.

1137
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: Know, the whole following thing now right.

1138
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: You're fucking kidding me? Are you really kidding me? And

1139
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: it's that it's it's so I don't really look at

1140
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't I wish everybody well. I

1141
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: think I'm so happy and proud for anything anybody does,

1142
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 2: because when we struggle so hard anyway as a people,

1143
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: but for anybody black, white, oh young, I'm happy for everybody.

1144
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: If I see you going up, Hey you need some help,

1145
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: I help you. Doesn't. I've never been a jealous. I've

1146
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: never been in me none of that. I've always wished

1147
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: everybody best. And I think if you do that, then

1148
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: you'll be because like the Bible said, whatever place you

1149
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: be content. Even when I was in homeless, I mean

1150
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I was. I was content because I knew

1151
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: where I was going.

1152
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: So I'm curious, from when you were homeless, did you

1153
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: ever make a buddy that you were homeless with that

1154
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: you're still friends with? So today, I know that was random.

1155
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: No, that was That's a good one. There was a

1156
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: guy named Gary, Kay, k Sam, and Carlos. It was

1157
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 2: four of us and we were all like this homeless group.

1158
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: That's all the age.

1159
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were all in this. Say I was the

1160
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: youngest and we were all downtown homeless together. They kind

1161
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: of helped me out because they called me young blood, okay,

1162
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: and so they took care of me. But yeah, we

1163
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: became like a little downtown LA homeless group. So but

1164
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: Gary went back to New York. I don't know where

1165
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: k is. Carlos, I don't know where Carlos went back

1166
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: to Sam and Carlos h and when of them had

1167
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: got into a fight, bad fight, he had to go

1168
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: back to New York. But yeah, but I haven't talked

1169
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: to him a while, and I still see a lot

1170
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: of the people.

1171
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: I remember.

1172
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: I was just in sacks and something in Beverly and

1173
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 2: I'm walking and this girl goes, cut your boy? What

1174
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: the hell? Who the hell said it? And it was

1175
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: this girl she was like and she was one behind

1176
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: the count and she was a country boy. I was like, damn,

1177
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: not country boy anymore. And she was a girl that

1178
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: was we had met when we were homeless. She her

1179
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: family was in that little homeless hotel that they me too.

1180
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: It's it's just warm. It's just warm. It's just warm

1181
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: that I don't like me. It looks like it looks

1182
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: like this.

1183
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Yo, you should always have a gas

1184
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: stove for the rest.

1185
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: Of your life. I agree. And if I had one

1186
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: of these, it would be on all the time. I

1187
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: would never forget to turn off.

1188
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I remember this story. Okay, So I have

1189
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: four there's four siblings, and it was me. I have

1190
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: an older brother, a little brother, and a twin. And

1191
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: one time I left plastic on the stove and my

1192
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: parents had left. My mom is a crazy, abusive Jamaican,

1193
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: full blood Jamaican crazy, So yeah, so I leave this

1194
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: on the stove, catches fire, and I assure you that

1195
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: we were so scared of my mom. Luckily it was snowing.

1196
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: Us three kids managed to grab the fire and the

1197
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: pot and everything and throw it out in the snow.

1198
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean the whole house was like engulfed in black smoke.

1199
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: My mom still beat us, still sends us to the

1200
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: basement and everything. But the firefighters were like, yo, your

1201
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: kids like saved your house.

1202
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: But you know, well, why did it catch fire?

1203
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: Because I had left something been down.

1204
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: In the basement. Your brothers had suffered from you.

1205
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: So she whipped me and like literally I had a

1206
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: scar across my face for a long time.

1207
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: And damn she was abusive, sound like the way we were.

1208
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was abusive.

1209
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: Trust me.

1210
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: I have the same issues you have. But I like

1211
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: talking about it because I'm curious now that I get older,

1212
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: Like I do therapy. Do you go to therapy?

1213
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 2: Have you not? Really?

1214
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: I I'm just so surprised because you're so well rounded,

1215
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: it seems, but you don't have any consistent thing that

1216
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: pops up between you and your personal relationships that stand out. Wow,

1217
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: God definitely had his hand on you.

1218
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: You just have to. I just believe it's here.

1219
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: Every though, Also that you take care of your mom.

1220
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: So what does your mom and your relationship look like?

1221
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: Now? Well, it's not that good. But here's my thing.

1222
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: I got a lot of brothers at all. Everybody's kind

1223
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: of that kind of little have a little thing against her,

1224
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: and you know, because you know you didn't care. Da

1225
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: da da da da da da. But me, I tell

1226
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: my brothers my mom ran away from sixteen when she

1227
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: got to New York. She was this beautiful young girl.

1228
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 2: She was all of these different singers and movie stars.

1229
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: She was used, so she never really knew what love was.

1230
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: So whenever saying she didn't love me, I can't expect

1231
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: her love because she told us she didn't want any kids.

1232
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 2: With all accidents, so she didn't want us to any kids.

1233
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 2: So I get that, and I understand that, and I

1234
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: don't harp on it. And you know, I can't say, oh,

1235
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: she ain't love me. Of course she didn't love me.

1236
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: She didn't want me, So I get it. She was you.

1237
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: She never really knew love, so I'm pasted it all.

1238
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: I block it out because stress cost is all of that,

1239
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: and stress is what ages you.

1240
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you look good, but I don't you let

1241
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: me so good in person. I was surprised that he's I.

1242
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: Let no one, I let nothing ever bothered me. I

1243
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: don't care. Why. If I went somewhere right now and

1244
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: I fell in a ski accident and they said, you

1245
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 2: know what, we're gonna have ampler tap both of your leaders,

1246
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is gonna hurt. That's all

1247
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: I would get. Really, I wouldn't give up. And nothing

1248
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: in my life's gonna change. I promise you. In about

1249
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: another eight months, I'm gonna have some some things on

1250
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: my leg and I'm gonna be running over.

1251
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: There, your brother. If I were to ask your brother, like, hey,

1252
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: was there ever a point where you saw Miguel like broken?

1253
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: No, because he was. He was a little baby when

1254
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 2: I left.

1255
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but even in your whole life, there was

1256
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: nothing that ever had you shook.

1257
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: No, nothing, nothing, nothing could I can't think of anything

1258
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: that could shake me.

1259
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: Nothing in the whole career, nothing brought you to question.

1260
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: Never I already know is it.

1261
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: I wonder how that is possible, that your faith is

1262
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: so strong that it's never.

1263
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: I saw it for some reason. I swear to God

1264
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 2: it was more than a dream. I literally can honestly

1265
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: say I knew it. I knew it. I knew it,

1266
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: and I don't know how I knew it. I don't

1267
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: know where it came from, but I knew it.

1268
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: So did you end up taking acting classes?

1269
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: No, never, don't need you too. What do you do?

1270
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: You just empathize really well with the characters.

1271
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's like I've always studied actors and the

1272
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: good ones, and I watched them how they do it.

1273
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: I did start in the acting class once about I

1274
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: was in there for about two weeks. But then the

1275
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: guy I start doing it, he was like, come on,

1276
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: come on. He was using me to show her about

1277
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: how to do it. Every time. I don't need to

1278
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: be but I just looked at it, look at it

1279
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: like this, and this has always worked for me. My

1280
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 2: philosophy is this, if you do say, think and react

1281
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 2: exactly how you would really think, say, look and react

1282
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 2: in whatever that scene is, you don't have to act.

1283
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: You don't have to act. I was still homeless when

1284
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: I did Friday thirteen and that thing crying and screaming.

1285
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: Everybody else we've been wondering how they look. I got

1286
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 2: kill taking a ship and Friday thirteen, Part five was

1287
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: in my first movie, and I was screaming and crying.

1288
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: I never acted in my life, and all of the

1289
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 2: tales and everything were flowing. But I just I didn't

1290
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 2: know how I was gonna do it. I just knew if, okay,

1291
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 2: if you and now what's gonna happen, Shit, iver hit

1292
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: the gym, You're gonna do it. I just always do exactly. Now,

1293
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: when you go in there with all that bravado, trying

1294
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: to be the movie star and trying to have all

1295
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: this went about how you look and how you're gonna

1296
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: feel and all of that, it's a whole different story.

1297
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: You're not gonna believable.

1298
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was h I hate to throw names out there,

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Speaker 1: but I always feel like some actors give an example,

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00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: like maybe like some of these actors that really almost

1301
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: more care about how they look, they really aren't that actors.

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Speaker 1: I hate to say it. I don't want to call

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00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: out names, but like you know what I no, no,

1304
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: I think is a really good actor. But I think no.

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00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: For instance, like I think Halle Berry and Jennifer Lopez, honestly,

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00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: I think they're really great actors, but they don't really

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00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: care how they look on camera.

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Speaker 2: You can't. You can't, and if you do, I don't

1309
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: care what you think. People see it, yeah and feel it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know. Yeah. So now that So, I was

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00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: talking to a young actor recently and he was talking

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00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: about how there is this thing in Hollywood with the

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00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: black male actors. Do you see any like preference or

1314
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: leaning towards like your typical because it sounds like when

1315
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: you were growing up going through your career, if you

1316
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: were the most chosen, then they were like, well maybe

1317
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: we should skip past him and give someone else a shot.

1318
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: But now I hear young actors saying, well, no, that

1319
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: they want the safe looking dude like the Michael B. Jordan.

1320
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: They want this safe looking black guy in a lot

1321
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Speaker 1: of roles. You don't deal with any of that.

1322
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: No, I'm safe.

1323
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: And then now that your career is so long, do

1324
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: you even have to do a lot of casting or

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00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: do you.

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Speaker 2: Just only for black productions, only for black productions. I

1327
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: don't get it. I don't understand why only black productions

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00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: really every white production. Everything, they just call and start

1329
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: getting into it. Only black production ask me the audition.

1330
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: Only black people. Black productions ask me for that stuff. Now,

1331
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't get it, but it is what it is.

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00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: Would you prefer to work for black productions though?

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00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: I would prefer to work for any productions that has integrity, honesty,

1334
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: and care about the cast, the crew, and everybody except

1335
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: lining their own pockets. Yeah. Yeah, that's my thing, because

1336
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: I think I've never wanted all them. I want everybody

1337
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 2: to make money. I want everybody to be happy. I

1338
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: want everybody. That's the way it should because there is enough.

1339
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: But right now, producers, I want to be doing a

1340
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: big interview very very soon, and I'm gonna break some

1341
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: shit down.

1342
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: Why don't you do it right now?

1343
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: I can't do it right now. I can't do it

1344
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: right now.

1345
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: Why would he say that?

1346
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: I can't do it right now? But you got the

1347
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: first preview, so you can work bad. Yeah, okay, America, come.

1348
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: Back and do it. What's up with this bio pic

1349
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: on you? I feel like it would be really good.

1350
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: I'm writing now. I'll let you read it first.

1351
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: I'll hold you to that.

1352
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: I promise you can give me your opinion, because I'm

1353
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: writing a whole lot of stuff in it, and I

1354
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: was trying to edit some things because I know some ship,

1355
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: and I had to leave out the eighties and nineties

1356
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: because that's going to be Why.

1357
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: Why would you leave anything in your story out?

1358
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: I can't put this ship. That's a whole different book.

1359
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: That's a whole different book.

1360
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: By the way, I love to read.

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 2: So that's like if I was if God dog be

1362
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 2: in the rooms I've been in, princesses kings because movie stars,

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01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: sports stars in the.

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Speaker 1: What is the craziest thing that you've seen in the

1365
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: industry that by far left your speechless? That won't get

1366
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 1: you in trouble that you can.

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01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: I can't tell now because my ship is like Kat

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01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: Williams on steroids, all of this stuff. You remember the

1369
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: places I've been, the people I've been with, the things

1370
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Speaker 2: I hung out with. So I'm already writing a book,

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: but I want to do it tastefully, so I don't

1372
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: expose anybody except the ones that deserve it.

1373
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: Except the ones that deserve it. Can you name some

1374
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: people that you're believing me nothing?

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01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: You know, we'll do a part. Any major star in

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01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties, any one of the biggest on

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: the planet. I hung out with him, chilling at home

1378
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: in private settings and parties everyone and some ship. You

1379
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't that's things that about stars nobody could believe, and

1380
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: it's it's it's weird to me.

1381
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: Well, do you think it's weird that, like like a

1382
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff is coming out now that since

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01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: the me too movement, like with P Diddy and.

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01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: The Man show quest do you believe all that stuff

1385
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: about p Diddy? Me?

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01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: One hundred? Everybody say that, well P Diddy has had

1387
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: a very and I didn't.

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01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: I listened to me. I didn't even know all of

1389
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: that until somebody said it. I mean, you mean me,

1390
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: that ain't true, And everybody keeps saying like you, I'm

1391
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: like really, everybody's like really, really, dude.

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01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: When I first got into seven Guy, I would hear

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01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 1: stories about like you would go into uh his record label,

1394
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: and like the interns would be running up, like asking

1395
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: for food to eat. They were all starving over there.

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01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: I used to I don't believe.

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01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: Then you hear about his publishing deals. You heard that

1398
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: he recently released his publishing but after I think it

1399
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: was the girl from Danny Kane said, yeah, after the

1400
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: publishing was worth absolutely nothing, and then they had to sign.

1401
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: Shop Shop Stop Shop.

1402
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: They had to sign n das so that they could

1403
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: not release any details about.

1404
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So if you're gonna get if you sign an

1405
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: NDA and you're not gonna talk about something for signing

1406
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: something that's worth nothing, that don't make sense to me.

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01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. She didn't sign it, she said.

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01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: She offered to pay everyone out in the group, like,

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01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: I will pay you what it's worth to not sign

1410
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: this NDA. Who there was the what was her name,

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01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: Aubrey Day or something. Okay, So so you so you

1412
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: don't believe none of it.

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've hung out with I was, I've

1414
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: hung out with it. I've never seen nothing but a nice, swell,

1415
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: amazing guy. And everybody always say, Miguel, you keep saying

1416
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: that you ain't seen nothing. Of course you're not gonna

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01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: see nothing. They're not gonna show it around you. I

1418
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: don't think bisexual quality, no, none, whatsoever. None. I don't know.

1419
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: There was rumors swirling about that man for a long time.

1420
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: I know I heard that and then they said, Miguel,

1421
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: I heard that that everybody in the Mama's gay, and

1422
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: I know them all, and I don't never seen anything.

1423
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 2: And then all my friends said, Miguel, they're not gonna

1424
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: do it because they know you. You got a big mouth.

1425
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 2: You'd be like, you know somebody, they.

1426
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: Don't have a big mouth because you haven't said nothing.

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01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: No, but this is no, no, no no. But I

1428
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: would have done it right then if something would have happened,

1429
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: if I'd have been somewhere and somebody had made he

1430
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: talking about I went outside.

1431
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: Megga, you know what just happened.

1432
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: You believe what I just saw them all. I swear

1433
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: to God, they had, I would have been telling everybody.

1434
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have been no wait some years.

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01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: And but I also think that people probably wouldn't do

1436
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: it in front of you, because I think that more

1437
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: people with a high morale, people tend to shield them.

1438
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: From Do you believe in an Illuminati whatever the hell

1439
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: that means.

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01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe in that. And the

1441
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: only reason why I say that is because when I

1442
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: first became Christian later in life, I'm raised Jewish, and

1443
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know that I remember people trying to

1444
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: say that jay Z was an Illuminati, and I was like,

1445
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: no way, he's my favorite rapper of all time. But

1446
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: have YouTube videos.

1447
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: And but hood on think okay, so let me get

1448
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: the track. You said, Oh no, because what is the

1449
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: old No, what what is the Illuminatis? That it would

1450
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 2: be a oh no, what is it? What is the Illuminati?

1451
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be some group of people that

1452
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: I guess worship the devil.

1453
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: I know that's what it is, Okay, I didn't know

1454
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: that worship the devil. That's what I think.

1455
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: Illuminatis they worshiped the devil or they Yeah.

1456
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: I just think, to me, I think that's far far

1457
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: more ludicrous than you, a folks, Ludacris what. I think

1458
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: that's far more ridiculous and ignorant than you.

1459
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. I agree. I saw some

1460
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: of the YouTube videos about jay Z when I was

1461
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: first becoming Christian. This guy was like trying to convince

1462
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: me that, like, you know, he believed in the devil

1463
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: because I listened to jay Z a lot. You saw

1464
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: my big painting of jay right, I try to get everyone.

1465
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: To look at that pain.

1466
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: I said that, and oh you did you like it?

1467
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: You know it's the only one in the world. My

1468
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: mom did it for me when I was like twenty four.

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01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: I paid it. Your mother painted, Yeah, she did.

1470
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: She has way better work than that. That's actually one

1471
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: of her worst works. She's always like, sell it to

1472
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: jay Z. I'm like, I'm never gonna sell it to

1473
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: jay Z. Wow. But if he paid me enough, I'd

1474
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: sell it and then you'd pay you again to make

1475
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: me a second.

1476
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 2: No, you got to keep the original. The risk her

1477
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: to make him one.

1478
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you saw the You know what makes that painting

1479
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,919
Speaker 1: so unique is that in the way when I see

1480
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: that paint.

1481
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: One left this camera and walk out there so they

1482
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: could show him.

1483
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna you.

1484
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: Should show them though, since we're talking about I know.

1485
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: We always talk about it, they'll get an impost at

1486
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: it or whatever.

1487
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah that's what I mean.

1488
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: But but yeah, one of the things I like about

1489
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: that painting and the reason why it stuck out to

1490
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: me is like, I'm always the broke girl that has

1491
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: these dreams like past my environment. I'm always the one

1492
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: where everyone's like, you're crazy, You're crazy for having that idea.

1493
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: Now after so many years, people are like, she's gonna

1494
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: do whatever she wants to do. But I like that

1495
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: he looked past his environment, and that's kind of what

1496
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: happened with you. That is exactly what happened with you.

1497
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: It didn't matter what your environment was like, You're like,

1498
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: this is where I'm going, and nothing chaotic around me

1499
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: can stop me from reaching that deck.

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01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 2: And that's the problem with kids in America, especially our people,

1501
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: because we are so we're looking at our This world

1502
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 2: is so much bigger than your neighborhood, your click, where

1503
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: you from. It's a great, big world out there. And

1504
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: if some of these kids, I mean you can suffer

1505
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: and anywhere. They just got out of their comfort zone,

1506
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: their little area. They're scared and venture out. I know

1507
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 2: one in mind Fire family had been in California something.

1508
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: My uncle drove a car and sold it here. But

1509
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: now I got kids born here, brothers and families and

1510
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: nephews and nieces. I started at migration in California. You

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01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: could be that person in your hometown, in your neighborhood.

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01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: Get out of that neighborhood. If you're not prospering there,

1513
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: you can do the same thing. If you ain't doing

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01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: nothing there, you can do the same thing somewhere else.

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 2: People are so afraid to get out of their comfort zone.

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01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 2: They're afraid to get out and do whatever it is

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: excuse me that is necessary to do what to achieve

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01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: their goals. They're afraid. Don't be afraid, but I do

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: be understand. It has to be afraid. You have to

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01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: be afraid if you don't have a plan.

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01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be afraid of if you don't

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01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: have a plan. But I've been working on a course

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01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: called like Entrepreneur Mindset, and the first thing I teach

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01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: is getting out of your comfort zone. I'm like, get

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01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: out of your comfort zone.

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Speaker 2: There.

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01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: So, we live in Los Angeles and there's kids that

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01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: live here right now that have never been to the beach.

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait what. And they're in the hood, They're

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01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: not even that far from the beach and they have

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01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: never been to the beach. And I told myself when

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Speaker 1: I think it was Trevor no Have you read Trevor Noah?

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01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 3: No?

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: I want you. I love him.

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01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. One of my favorite books

1536
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: of all time is Trevor Noah's book Born a Crime.

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01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: But one of the things his mom would do when

1538
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: he was younger was she would take him to the

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: rich neighborhoods and show him all the big mansions. And

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01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: I think that's so essential for kids to get out

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01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: of that everyday cycle. And I think that really paid.

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01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: That was a pinnacle thing that she did, that paved

1543
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: the way to now you know, he owns home next

1544
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: time Meltrum, Bendela or whatever. And I think it play.

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01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: It plays a huge role. Even my daughter, she's too

1546
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,879
Speaker 1: She's been on the plane like fourteen times.

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01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: My kids all over the world before there was ten.

1548
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 2: And that's another thing. You got to get him out.

1549
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: Because I want to start an organization I'm thinking about

1550
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: it where taking all these kids from.

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: The hood to Africa because I would love that.

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01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because let me tell you something. If I took

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01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: twenty kids to Africa from the poorest neighborhoods in the

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01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: United States and I take them on tour Africa, and

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01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 2: when every one of them came back, I promise you,

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01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: if anybody in their neighborhood, in their family, in their

1557
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 2: school ever say you we're poor and you're poor, They're

1558
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 2: gonna look at them saying you're a damn lie. We

1559
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: are not poor. You don't even know what poor is.

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01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 2: You won't know what poorst When they come back over there,

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna look at their whole situation differently.

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01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: I've never been to Africa as that amazing.

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01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 2: Huh, it's amazing. But when you go to the poorest

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01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: places and see why they're living in little mud hunts

1565
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: and the ain't got no food and this is for

1566
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 2: the whole family, and they have to sit there and

1567
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: cut it up into eight pieces, that's really and they

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01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: have nothing nothing. You go in their houses and you

1569
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: see and then you come back here and you look

1570
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: at you walk in your nice AS's house, close your door,

1571
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 2: got beds and stuff, and talking about we poor you

1572
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 2: got shit in refrigerator. Over there they got nothing. Every

1573
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 2: one of those kids will come back and all twenty

1574
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 2: five of them will spread out like a cancer and

1575
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,719
Speaker 2: change the mindset of people around them, and their mindsets

1576
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: will be changed. And then they're sure we bring a

1577
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 2: different group next year. Each one of them may be

1578
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: bring somebody who they after telling people who they think

1579
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: need now. Next week, next year we take fifty over.

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01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, Jews have a birthright. Sorry, guys,

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01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 1: I know we're going over bohead, go ahead, but birthright.

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01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: Jews have this thing. I think it's up to the

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: age of twenty seven that if you have Jewish blood

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01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: in you, you could go to Israel for fourteen days

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01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: fully paid for for free.

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01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 2: Right Wait wait, wait, wait say it again.

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01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: If you are is that right now? Yes to this day,

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01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: if all the way up to I think the age

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01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: of twenty seven, if you have jew blood in you,

1590
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: you can go to Israel for fourteen days for free

1591
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: under birthright, so you can go. Yeah, you know what's

1592
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: so crazy?

1593
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: So what if you got something else juwe blood And

1594
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, no, it's.

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01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: So funny because I ended up paying later because when

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01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: I was younger, I was dumb, and I was like,

1597
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: I have so much going on. But then I went

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01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: later and I ended up on a plane where the

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01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: whole birthright group and I was like, I have was

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01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: so silly, but I think African Americans need to go

1601
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: to Africa.

1602
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: Well that's why Ghana, that's why Ghana is doing that.

1603
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 2: Did you know right now doing a birthright type thing

1604
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: if you are African American? H Ghana said, well, you

1605
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: know they told you, well they're going to give you

1606
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: four the acre it's and me, we know they told

1607
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 2: you that. So if you're African American, you set foot

1608
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 2: in Ghana, you're automatic citizen, really and you get a

1609
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: free house? What? Yes, we need to I think it's

1610
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 2: ten acres. I think you are. I think, yes, we

1611
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: need to go to Ghana. You want to?

1612
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: Actually, you can do a Ghana trip.

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01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 2: I would love to do.

1614
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: You really want to know.

1615
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: I'm that serious because I have some some government people

1616
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 2: over there too. Also, there's another.

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01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: You're not gone right, we should do it together.

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 2: Okay, you heard it, you heard it, you canlog it.

1619
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: You heard it. I've done. It'll be huge, all right,

1620
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: go on?

1621
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: So what were you saying?

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01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 2: I said, there's another couple of other African countries that

1623
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 2: I am also doing that Feet to Earth. Yeah, I

1624
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 2: mean Israel did. Why can't in Africa do if you

1625
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 2: want to get people back home, give them automatic citizens.

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01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: Every African American over here should the moment they set

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: foot on any African land, African Union national, you guys

1628
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 2: should do this. There should be a citizen, you know,

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 2: and and that would help.

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01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: I want I want to do the Ghana. I'm gonna

1631
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: look into it.

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01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hold you to you know, Steve, Steve want

1633
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: to move the right.

1634
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: No, I didn't know that.

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 2: Ghana.

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01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: What how long is those flights? So there long?

1637
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 2: Huh a long flight.

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01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. We're gonna do it together.

1639
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: You heard that right here.

1640
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: First, I'm gonna literally all right, Well, thank you so much.

1641
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: What can like, what other projects do you have coming

1642
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: up that we could kind of stay tuned in for?

1643
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: And how can people keep up with you?

1644
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: Well, you can follow me on my I g is

1645
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 2: M and you n easy j R. M. June is Junior,

1646
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: also on TikTok and but I am working on a

1647
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: project right now or you know, Family is season five

1648
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: is coming, but we just finished season five Family, so

1649
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fire surprises coming. But also we're developing

1650
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: a Jawana Man two as well. So and then after that,

1651
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna hit the road for about five

1652
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: years and just travel really all over the world. Well,

1653
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 2: and we can do the GNA trip.

1654
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 1: What about this biopic?

1655
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: What about it? I'm just writing it, so it's ways way.

1656
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll join the five year trip. We'll just be

1657
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: sending sending script. I'll be reading your BioPen.

1658
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 2: Yes, No, I'm gonna give you what I wrote now

1659
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: and you can just read it.

1660
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you right now, if I end

1661
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 1: up reading this, I am going to be the person

1662
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna come back with more questions. You like, I'm

1663
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: not gonna want to.

1664
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: Say that, and I'm gonna be like you have because

1665
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 2: here's that's why we're going to earlier, because say, I'm

1666
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 2: gonna let you read it because and I went into it,

1667
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 2: I forgot where I was. But I'm just letting everything

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01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 2: out and then edit it later, okay, because there's so

1669
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 2: much and that's that's why I said, that's why, that's

1670
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 2: what happened. And I said, except the eighties, and then

1671
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 2: you said why then we got into that. I'm leaving

1672
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 2: out eight but I'm going through a little bit. But

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm literally I'm just telling it. And the reason I'm

1674
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: letting nobody read it is because I'm so much in there.

1675
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, should I say that? Should I do that?

1676
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 2: But I figured it would be better to get it

1677
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 2: out and not edit it on the paper. So I

1678
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,759
Speaker 2: haven't let anybody read it because it's so purple.

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01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: I can I can read it.

1680
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got it. You could give me notes,

1681
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: you could give me not.

1682
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm excited you heard it here first. All right, well,

1683
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Eating.

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