1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Unger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and ninety nine, 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: little momentous, getting toward the two hundredth that'll be exciting. 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: This episode is on all Things Summer. We are in 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: late May. This is first airing May twenty fifth, coming 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: into the wonderful summer season here in Pennsylvania, less so 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: of the wonderful summer's season in the greater Miami area. 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: But Sarah grew up around here. In fact, her parents 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: live about five miles from my house. So do you 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: have any particular summer memories, like really those those quintessential 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: summer memories from growing up in a more temperate climate Sarah, 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: I will share three. The first is that I spent 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: many years going to I don't know if it still exists, 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: but Episcopal Academy used to have a day camp and 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: I went there for years, and then I was a 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: counselor there and I loved it. I still have like 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: dreams about that place. It was great. So that's number one. 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Number two is that we used to go to Vermont, 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: alahcause my grandparents, who aren't have since passed, but they 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: used to rent. They lived in Florida, and they would 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: go up north every summer because they were smart and retired, 30 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: and they would rent like a little house in Vermont 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: or New Hampshire, and we would all come, like the 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: families would usually come at different times, but we would 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: drive up from Philly to Vermont or New Hampshire, which 34 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: is like eight ten. It was far, but that was 35 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: like our typical family trips because my parents were very frugal, 36 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: not going to say cheap, but perhaps maybe so that 37 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: was our trip every year. But actually, in retrospect it 38 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: was kind of nice. I think I complained about it 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: as like a teenager, that it was a boring thing 40 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: to keep doing it, But now I'm like, really, it 41 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: sounds good to me now, so maybe my parents actually 42 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: knew better. And I guess the third, which is kind 43 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: of overlaps with what you guys sometimes do, is that 44 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: I did have a lot of Jersey Shore experiences, particularly 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: as an older teen. I had a friend where they 46 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: used to go to Cape May, and I would actually 47 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: go with her family, and so lots of lovely memories 48 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: of New Jersey nights and New Jersey boardwalk nights. Cape 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: May is not so much. It has some of the boardwalk, 50 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: but then you can go north to Wildwood, which is 51 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: the real boardwalk Jersey scene. So you might want to 52 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: check that out if people are in the area and 53 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: looking for a little bit of a ski ball and 54 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: snow cone and loud music and other such Jersey fun. 55 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: But do you ever meet people who are like the 56 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: Jersey shorecast? Do you have any memory of that sort 57 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: of scene? I mean, well, I was once on an 58 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: MTV episode that was in some Jersey beach like and 59 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: I had like a line I don't even know my 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: friends and I like we and it was like it 61 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: was an the late nineties, and it was like supposed 62 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: to be like the Jersey scene, and this was like 63 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: right before that, So I guess I participated in it 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: to some extent. It was a Carson Daily Show. Oh god, 65 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: the Carson Daily Show. Oh my goodness. I would love 66 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: to find my like line somewhere MTV archives. It's there somewhere. 67 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: Do you want to hear my line at all? Right, 68 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: let's hear it. So it was a Dawson's Creek show 69 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: and they were like interviewing the creator and they planted 70 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: questions and my line was, so, who does Pacey get 71 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: some from? Next? Well, there you go. I mean you 72 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: can like die happy after that. I mean really pretty 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: much pretty much? Yeah. We uh, I don't know. I 74 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: can't really tap that. I have no summer memories that are, 75 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, beyond being on the Carson Daily Show. I 76 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: guess on the Jersey Shore. On the Jersey Shore, I 77 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: went to a camp. When I lived in North Carolina. 78 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: I went to a summer camp. It was called Presbyterian Point, 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: was associated with the Dinner Domination, and it was outdoor oriented. 80 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: We went to camping. I learned to sail there one year, 81 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: so we'd sail to this island in the middle of 82 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: the lake and then camp there overnight and sail back. 83 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: I remember getting very sunburned. I probably did not take 84 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: my sun's screen as seriously as I might have, which 85 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: I now see with my own kids. Sam went with 86 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: a friend to the Jersey Shore recently and I sent 87 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: him I thought was sunscreen or told him to pack 88 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: it and somehow didn't wind up on him. But he 89 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: had this nice little mask he was wearing his mask, 90 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: so good for him, but it had sunburn above the mask, 91 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: like a row of freckles right on the top of 92 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: the mask, right under the eyes. It's quite a look 93 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: mask tan, I guess we'd call it anyway. And then, 94 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, moving to Indiana, I'm trying to even think 95 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: what we had there. I don't know. Maybe I've put 96 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: it out on my mind, so I feel like there 97 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: must have been a country county fair is there kind 98 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: of well, no, I don't think we really did that 99 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: sort of things so much. We go to Lake Michigan sometimes, 100 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: although now my Lake Michigan memories are kind of tempered 101 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: from having more recent ones because we'll go visit some 102 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: of Michael's relatives who have a house on Lake Michigan. 103 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: Those are more current memories. I know I did go 104 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: to Lake, Michigan as a kid, and to this in fact, 105 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: same beach, but without access to the beach else, which 106 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: is much nicer. So there you go. If only i'd known, 107 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: I could have gone and like knocked on their door, like, 108 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm going to marry your nephew in 109 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: ten years, could I come in? It's too bad life 110 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: doesn't work that way, because to be sure, yeah, you 111 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: could use our bathroom, go for it. So anyway, we're 112 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: going to be talking about all things summer, So what 113 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: would what did you wind up de signing on the 114 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: camp front? Like you've got your kids in camp most 115 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: of the summer, right, yes? I also we both had 116 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: to create camp spreadsheets this year, and I initially was 117 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: going to try to have them all in the same 118 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: place all summer, but somehow I didn't because I sort 119 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: of decided that plans, Yeah, the place that's best for Genevieve, 120 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: I think might be a little boring for the others 121 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: to stay the whole summer. So I kind of compromised 122 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: by making two weeks stints of like specialty camps for 123 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: the big kids. But I think that's going to result 124 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: in like four weeks of two different drop offs and pickups. 125 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: So oh well, but yeah, they're going to do day camp. 126 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: Nobody's going to overnight camp. I don't you know. Thus far, 127 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: I think they'll probably you know, be masked and kind 128 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: of keep things the way things are in school except 129 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: when they're doing outside things. But I think it'll be great. 130 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean a million times better than last summer when 131 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: they were home. I mean honestly, if we had restrictions 132 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: here that prevented camp from happening and they just went 133 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: to school, that would be better than last summer. So 134 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: anything to get them continued out of the house with 135 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: some physical activity will be an enormous step up. So 136 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm excited. And Annabelle is going to get to do 137 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: some horse camp, Cameron's going to get to do some 138 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: soccer camp, and then Annabelle has some art camp as well, 139 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: so I think that's great. Oh and Genevieve is going 140 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: to be doing swim lessons awesome also, key very important 141 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: to have that. Yeah, but you have a short summer, right, 142 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's only eight Yeah, it's like eight weeks. 143 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: It's crazy because the school started late and they're ending late. 144 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: But then next year I think they're going back to 145 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: their more normal timeframe. So it only left eight weeks 146 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: and we're going to take a family trip for a 147 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: week of that, so camp is really just a six 148 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: week spread. I'd say you're saving money, but you're sending 149 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: the kids to private school, so it's all just you're 150 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: paying for it one way or the other, not saving money. 151 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: Saving money. Now the short summer would it does start 152 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: to add up And I'm not even looking at I mean, 153 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: obviously I have the numbers because I paid for it, 154 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: but like I just am trying not to internalize it 155 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: because that will just make me feel. Yeah, but yes, 156 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: we have four children going to various different camps this summer. 157 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: I made a camp spreadsheet as well for our listeners 158 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: who maybe were not with us in previous summers. This 159 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: involves having if you have multiple kids, you put the names. 160 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Here's how I do it. You put the names of 161 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: the kids along the top, and then down the left 162 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: hand side you have the weeks of summer and so 163 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: this way you can see what each kid is doing 164 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: each week. And this allows you to ask various pertinent 165 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: questions like do I have three children in different camps 166 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: that are on the opposite sides of town starting at 167 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: the exact same time, and if so, how on earth 168 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: do we plan to get them there? You need three drivers, 169 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: I guess, or sign one of them up for early 170 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: drop off or whatever, but you would at least be 171 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: aware of that situation, or try to sign multiple kids 172 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: up for the same camps or camps nearby or whatever 173 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: you want to do. But that way you can also 174 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: see the vacation weeks as well. So yeah, we have 175 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: the full on camp spreadsheet. It's going to be fun. Though. 176 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: We have theater camp for two of the children. Some 177 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: of the time. We have rock climbing camp for one 178 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: of the kids. Probably the others would have liked it too, 179 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: but we've been doing rock climbing lessons all year and 180 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: so I think they're not needing to do too much 181 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: more of it. Computer camp, nature camp, pottery camp, ceramics 182 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: for teens and pre teens. There's this art studio around 183 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: here that runs teen and preteen classes. Those are good 184 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: for them. One overnight camp a boy Scout camp for 185 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: one one child and not boy Scouts, sorry Scouts now 186 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: they call it it's open to boys and girls. But 187 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: there may be another one associated with the church. But 188 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's going to go or not. 189 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: We're still in a reopening phase around here, and yeah, 190 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: it sounds fun to me. I'm like, geez, I want 191 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: to go to camp, like I want to spend a 192 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: week to being ceramics, but to spend a week like 193 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: probably inside. I'm not so big on a outdoor camp. 194 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: I kind of like my air conditioning and maybe not 195 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: being in a tent or a cabin with sixteen other people. 196 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: That sounds like a spa retreat. Yes, I mean, like 197 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: if I have my own my own cabin, that would 198 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: be great. But yeah, probably not drinking bug juice as 199 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: they call it in the camp cafeteria. But yeah, I 200 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: mean ceramic ceramic camp sounds pretty fun. I'd love to 201 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: do that. Which which one would you do? Of your kids? Oh? 202 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: I guess the art camp. I mean, I definitely don't 203 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: want to do horseback running camp. No would you have 204 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: wanted to do? Well? You did? I gots no? Did 205 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: you do? No? Horses? No? No, no horses No? That 206 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: was never something that appealed. No. Interesting, I had friends 207 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: that did. Actually, some of my fellow daycamp friends left 208 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: because they wanted to go to horse camp. But I 209 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: wasn't into it. Yeah, I've never been that into it either. 210 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: I don't really get it, but yes, I know there 211 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: is a big appeal for many people. Not a horse 212 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: person personally, but many people. Bananaval's very excited. So yeah, 213 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: all right, So we've got the camp spreadsheets. Definitely recommend 214 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: making one if people haven't yet. Summer Adventures was where 215 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: are you guys gone? So we're mostly staying well, we 216 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: are entirely staying in Florida, but we're gonna make some 217 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: make the rounds. So Josh and I are doing a 218 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: little West coast trip. I think I mentioned it on 219 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: a prior episode. That's just us a little short jaunt. 220 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: Then we are doing a trip with friends, which is Oh, 221 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Our friends are have requested we all 222 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: get tested prior, even though all the adults a vaccinated, 223 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: but it's fine. We're going to do whatever. It's good. 224 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: And so just to be super safe, I think is 225 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: more for the kids because obviously our kids are not 226 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: old enough and so we want to make sure we 227 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: don't mix. If we're going to let the kids like 228 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: really really play together, this will make us feel better 229 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: about that. And we are going to go to the Keys, 230 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: and we're staying at a place where you can actually 231 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: like touch a dolphins. We're doing that, so all kinds 232 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: of fun stuff. And then just our family is going 233 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: to do a week in Amelia Island, which I think 234 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: is going to be an interesting contract. We're going to 235 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: redeem a Damelia Island, yes, but we are not staying 236 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: at a hotel. We rented a vrbo. We'll have plenty 237 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: of space in our own kitchen, and I think this 238 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: one will go better. Plus we do have the benefit 239 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: of everyone being two years older than they were than 240 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: they were last time. If any of our listeners want 241 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: to go back and listen to the recap on that 242 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: experience of Sarah with a toddler in the Ritz and 243 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Amelia Island, it was sort of you know, it's a memory. 244 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: It was bittersweet, bitter sweet, let's just put it that way. 245 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: People may have wondered why there was a gentleman holding 246 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: a toddler walking on the beach at three am in 247 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: Amelia Island during that experience, but you know, these things, 248 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone wondered because nobody else was out there, 249 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: nobody else was dumb enough to bring their own toddler, 250 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: so yeah, exactly. Yeah, Well, we have a summer fun list, 251 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: as we always do. I have not made it right now, 252 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: but it will be. We're recording, but it will be 253 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: up on the blog by the time this episode airs. 254 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: There'd be a lot of the usual stuff, strawberry picking 255 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: and you know, peach and blueberry picking. I now have 256 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: all the farm seasons, like where we can go my kids, 257 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: like it's like something all the kids can do and 258 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: be entertained for an hour, and so why not if 259 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: you can do it. I'm hoping to do some early 260 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: morning runs. My running has been in a horrible place 261 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: of late. Not really sure why, just it's life. I 262 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: don't know, it's not happening sitting on the porch after dinner, 263 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: enjoying our back porch, you know, for our last summer 264 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: in this house, which is really quite pleasant at night, 265 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: like was the sun's going down around here. It's almost 266 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: never too hot to be outside and pleasant under in 267 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: the shade. So that's a benefit of this area of 268 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: the world. Family bike rides, some pool time. We are 269 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: definitely you know, we're opening the pool here this week 270 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: when we're recording that we may at our new house 271 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: as well, although that may be not. I don't know. 272 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: It's hard to know, because if we do, we know 273 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: we're going to find everything that needs to be fixed. 274 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: It's like maybe we just don't want to know about 275 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: that until next year, but then we'd be sad if 276 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: like we couldn't actually be in our pool next summer. 277 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: So who knows, we'll figure that out. Sam and I 278 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: are going to hit that cousin's main lobster food truck 279 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: as frequently as again, I have the app that finds it, 280 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: so now I can. He and I actually went to 281 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: the mall parking lot last week on Tuesday night because 282 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: we knew it was parked there from eleven thirty to 283 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: six thirty, so we went and got our lobster roles 284 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: as an after school snack. It's fun to have a 285 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: kid who likes to do foody stuff with me. And 286 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: I'm planning to do mommy days this summer because now 287 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Henry is old enough to be you know not, I 288 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: don't need to be around him every three hours as 289 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: I did last summer, and we can go places like 290 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: the amusement parks will open and stuff like that. So 291 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: excited about that. Do you have any sort of local 292 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: kind of things like that planned. Are you doing mommy 293 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: days or well we did them? We did them. Yeah, 294 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: we did them in spring break. I wasn't playing going 295 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: to Maybe Josh might want to do his days because 296 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: I think he expressed interest in having z own daddy days. 297 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: So we'll see if that happens. I mean, we're just yeah, 298 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: the weather's just like, you can't count on it being green. 299 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: We'll just there'd be lots of pool time. We'll ride 300 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: our bikes. We all have bikes now, so that'll be good. 301 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: Usually it's about getting outdoors early so that you can 302 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: then like spend the sweltering, storming afternoons comfortably resting in 303 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: your home. Yeah, that's a summer weekend. Thanks, summer weekend. Yeah, 304 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: now that would makes sense. It's always good to be 305 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: inside in the middle of the afternoon. We have two 306 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: trips planned. One is two an all inclusive resort. We 307 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: have not really done this sort of thing before, but 308 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: what I guess we sort of had. We went to 309 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: Saint Lucia in twenty nineteen for spring break and had 310 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: a good time. And part of the appeal the kids 311 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: love it. They love the kids club and so this 312 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: one that we're going to as one of the more 313 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: big commercial ones, like the one we went there was 314 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: more independent, so that sort of in my mind made 315 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: it probably nicer. But this is going to be full on, 316 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: Like you know, kids love these sorts of things because 317 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: they have the Big Kids Club, they have all the 318 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: activities for them, and this place, at least in theory, 319 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: even has toddler care. So in my mind, I'm thinking, well, 320 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: a couple of mornings, Henry will go from like I 321 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: don't know, nine thirty to twelve thirty, and then he 322 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: can come back and nap, and it's like I'll have 323 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: a couple hours of vacation, which sounds nice. Sam and 324 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: Michael can go scuba diving. They're both licensed. I guess 325 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: theoretically I am, but I haven't sixteen years, so you 326 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to put a tank on me and send 327 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: me down. I don't think i'd do well with it. Yeah, 328 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: so I don't know. I mean the all inclusive part, 329 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: like it's not so. We went on a Disney cruise 330 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen as well, and when everything's including my 331 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: sense is that the incentive is never to make like 332 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: the food really good, right, it's more about the quantity, 333 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: like wooh, look, you could order three entrees if you want. 334 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: It's like, well, I don't want three entrees. I want 335 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: one that's really good. Or you know, five water down drinks. 336 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, I don't want five water down drinks. 337 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: I want one drink. And I'd be like willing to 338 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: pay you extra for like the one good drink. But anyway, 339 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: that's either here nor there. I think the kids are 340 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: going to love it. So if it's good, then we 341 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: know that's a concept that could work, you know, for 342 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: the next few years for vacations anyway. And then we're 343 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: going to Ocean Grove in New Jersey, Jersey Shore as 344 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: we often do for a week. You know, life is 345 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: just bittersweet with the changes. Like this house that we're 346 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: renting is when we have several times in the past. 347 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: But it's on the market, so we'll see if it's 348 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: gonna disappear by next summer that you know, they won't, 349 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: but maybe they'll rent it out and they'll just give 350 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: them the list of regular tenants. That would be great, 351 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: but they might not, you know, so who knows. It's tradition. Well, 352 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: we do have to take a quick break, and we 353 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: will be right back with more summer excitement. We are 354 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: back talking all things summer. Yeah, it's just you know, 355 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: I love summer. I mean partly, that's again it's living 356 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania versus you know, Miami, where it's the not 357 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: nice season. But then you know, you probably love January, 358 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: whereas I do love January here, like you don't want 359 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: to be here in January. So the snowbirds really have 360 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: the right idea. You were talking about your grandparents that 361 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: they would go to Vermont and spending half the year 362 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: in Vermont and half well, maybe four months in Vermont 363 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: and the rest in Florida is probably the way to go. 364 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: I think that's got a lot going for it. Even 365 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: though I'm terrified of real estate, I do have a 366 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: fantasy of owning a little Vermont enclave, like thinking that 367 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: like climate change will make that a good investment. So 368 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: maybe I will live my grandparents' dream someday. Yeah. Well, 369 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: living here at is, we don't need to like get 370 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: away from it. But you know, we occasionally go through like, oh, 371 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: should we have tried to, like, you know, get a 372 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: beach house, And I'm like, no, I don't want another like, 373 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: renovating this house while I have this one is enough 374 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: of a trouble. I can't even imagine having a situation 375 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: where have two houses that are in my purview forever, 376 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: not my thing. But like I said, then we won't 377 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: be able to rent the place we like because it'll 378 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: sell to somebody else. But anyway, probably one of the 379 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: next door neighbors will have a house. Yeah, basically we'll 380 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: go for that. You know, we've been enjoying. We're gonna 381 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: head we head over to our new yard. That's a 382 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: fun weekend activity too that we just do as a family. 383 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the house itself is under construction, so I 384 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: keep the kids out of there because there's like heavy 385 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: machinery open walls. But the yard has been flowering. It's 386 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: been really cool to see what comes up. So you know, 387 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: we go over and hang out there and sit in 388 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: the yard and play. And I'm writing the manuscript of 389 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: Tranquility by Tuesday, and I'm trying to I'm a little 390 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: bit like, you know, starting a big project like this. 391 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: I have my data, but writing everything is a book 392 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: project is huge, you know, and I need to write 393 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: it like it needs to exist. But I'm trying to 394 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: remind myself, like, I really love doing that. That's the 395 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: part of my job that I fundamentally come back to 396 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: it that I love doing. I love writing long things 397 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: and getting deeply involved in a project. And so once 398 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: I get over the initial hurdle of getting stuff down, 399 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: it'll be turning this into something better and spending my 400 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: summer on a project that I will be really excited 401 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: to be doing. So I'm trying to remember that that 402 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: is just a total gift to have a professional project 403 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: that I am so excited to be doing. Well. I 404 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: am so excited to read it and delve into it, 405 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: and we will, of course, you know, farther down the 406 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: road once it is ready to come out, have some 407 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: episodes dedicated to its findings and all the juicy details 408 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: of it. That summer twenty twenty two, so you guys 409 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: have a while to wait. That's okay. We can have 410 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: some We can have some you know, midyear updates. And 411 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: now I just kidding. I have like a number of 412 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: big projects, but all for work that none of which 413 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: there's not one big one. There's like one research one 414 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: that I'm trying to do related to diabetes. One research 415 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do related to coaching and residents, and 416 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: then like we have orientation and graduation and like there's 417 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: just a lot of moving parts but no one dominating things. 418 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: So I'm just hoping to make incremental progress on all 419 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: my things. That sounds good. That sounds good. Yeah, our 420 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: kids actually don't start school until like September eight, So 421 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: there's two weeks or roughly week and a half at 422 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: the end of the summer that I have not thought 423 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: through at all, and I'm just going to kind of 424 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: leave it open and see what we decide to do. 425 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there'll be some smaller road trips or something, 426 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: or you know, figure out of a fun place to 427 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: do when many other people are back in the school 428 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: by that point. So but it turns out that Rashashana 429 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: is right on top of Labor Day this year, so 430 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: because our district takes both those off and don't start 431 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: till after Labor Day, we start even or after Labor Day. 432 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: So ah, that's so interesting. Yeah, we start in like 433 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: mid August. That's just like a month. It's Floridian South, 434 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: I guess I think like Arizona is similar, and yeah, 435 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, you may as well have the kids in 436 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: the ac if you have it, I guess so, but 437 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: like it doesn't make sense because it's not like it's 438 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hot in May and it's hot in August, 439 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: so like, I don't, I don't know, it's just a 440 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: just a thing. Who even knows? So Summer reading? What 441 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: have you read recently that you think our listeners would 442 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: like to experience over the summer? What I read recently 443 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 1: that everybody should rule? Not everybody? But I loved Greenwood 444 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: by Michael Christie. This book, I have no idea these 445 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: related to, like I get the Christie by the way, 446 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: probably not. I mean, they're very different genres, but it 447 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: makes me think of it every time I say his name. 448 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: Greenwood is a multi generational epic with kind of a 449 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: little bit of a dystopian edge to it in the 450 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: future chapters particularly, and I just thought it was so 451 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: well done. And I don't even like dystopian things very often, 452 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: but I do have to admit that I have a 453 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: soft spot for like books that span the generations, and 454 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: I've been reading a lot of those recently for whatever reason. 455 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: But this one's really well done. It was well written. 456 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: The characters are just like burned into my brain, like 457 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: I almost want to read it again, which I never 458 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: do with novels. So I recommend anybody think about putting 459 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: that on their summer list. I think it came out 460 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty or twenty nineteen, and I don't feel 461 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: like it got a lot of buzz. But I heard 462 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: about it on a podcast with somebody raving about it, 463 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: and they were right. Did you ever read Wallace Stegner's 464 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: Angle of Repose? No? I read the other one, Crossing 465 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: to Safety, Yes, and I love it so so. Angle 466 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: of Repose, if you like that multi generational saga kind 467 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: of thing, is slightly more of that. And I was 468 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: just thinking, you know, that was also Western kind of 469 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: as you've been reading a few books lately. I didn't 470 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: like it. I will put that out there. I did 471 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: not like it, but I know a lot of other 472 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: people did. Did you like Crossing to Safety? I like 473 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: Crossing to Safety a lot more. But there were certain 474 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: aspects of Angle of Repose. There's this trope of like, 475 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, just in case, you know, if a female 476 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: commits adulter rait, somebody has to die, Like this is 477 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: a common trope in literature, like somebody has to die 478 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: as a result. Okay, and you're just like, well, why 479 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: like why, like why does that have to happen? I'm 480 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen in real life right like this. There 481 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: are many people out there, I am sure, probably not 482 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: our listeners, but I'm just saying that, you know, this 483 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: is not the inevitable result. But in literature, it's like 484 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: it has to be so that all is right with 485 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: the world. Something has to be sacrificed to a tone 486 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: for this, you know, so outrageous sin and he falls 487 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: right into that trope with it. Maybe I won't read it, 488 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: maybe I won't read it. Yeah, the themes in all 489 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: the books I've read recently are the dust bowl and 490 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: the depression and environmental catastrophes and opioids. Opioids, Well, that 491 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: sounds like such a light and fluffy summer reading book, 492 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: and also like major inequities like contrasting very rich people 493 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: with like the very poor people, like the upstairs downstairs thing. 494 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: There's definitely like some themes in like popular coming into 495 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: a dark summer. Apparently for literature, I'm sure there's bea 496 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: treads and there'll be plenty of those, which just Sarah 497 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: hasn't read any lately. I kind of like the opioid theme. 498 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: I always find that fascinating if it's done well because 499 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: it's a world that I never cared to explore in 500 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: real life. But it's also just so interesting. All right, 501 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: So anything else you want to do a shout out 502 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: for before No, but you had some fun summer. I 503 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: just wanted to tell our listeners you should definitely check 504 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: out our friend and Vogels. She's the modern Missus Darcy. 505 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: Her book guide, her summer reading guide will be out 506 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: at the time that this list comes out, so you 507 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: should definitely go check that out. I think if you 508 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: subscribe to her list or whatever, then she will send 509 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: it to you, and it's just really well done. I 510 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: mean she reads through hundreds of books that are coming 511 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: out over the summer or that have come out in 512 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: the last year and that she thinks would make a 513 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: good summer reading pick, and so it's always just a 514 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: great source. You will definitely find something on there that 515 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: you want to read. And what I think is even 516 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: better about Ann is that you will be able to 517 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: tell if you don't want to read it. It's like, 518 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: so I'm not saying you'll want to read all the 519 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: books she chooses, but from her descriptions and write up, 520 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: you will know, no, that's not for me, which is 521 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: incredibly helpful from a perspective of getting the right book 522 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: to the right reader. Is yeah, she does. I've selected 523 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: like six to ten books from her list every summer 524 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: for the past like three summers, I think, and it's 525 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: been it's just been a fun way to mark a 526 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: new reading season. And yeah, give some her a little 527 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: bit more weight, as we talked about, because it's not 528 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: always pleasant physically here, but it still should be special 529 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: in some way. Yeah, so that's great, so please check 530 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: that out. I recently read a book called The Glitter 531 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: in the Green, which is about hummingbirds, which is something 532 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: of a random topic. I do like nature writing in general, 533 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: and some of this was, you know, there were a 534 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: few annoying political asides or whatever. But the description of 535 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: hummingbirds is just you can see it. And there are 536 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: no pictures in this book that I'm reading it on 537 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: my kendle, so maybe maybe there are in the print, 538 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: but it's all written. But he just describes all these 539 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: species of hummingbirds so vividly that you can kind of 540 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: see them and hear them. The flutter, flutter, flutter of 541 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: the wings that go so fast. And it's also just 542 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: about traveling through Americas from Alaska down to the bottom, 543 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: because hummingbirds are in that whole range, but only in 544 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: the Americas. They're not native to europ or Asia or 545 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: anything like that, so or only in the America. So 546 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: it's a travel journey all across the Americas as well. 547 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: So I enjoyed that A Glitter in the Green I read, well, 548 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: we'll see what you think about this. Jesse singles the 549 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: quick Fix why fad psychology can't cure our social ills. 550 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: So it takes on every hot psychology topic of the 551 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: last ten years or so, you know, all the people 552 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: who've had the ted talks on the different things, and 553 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: basically very little of the research can be replicated or 554 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: can be it didn't show what they showed like, the 555 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: results are not nearly as broadly applicable as then you 556 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: would yet from the popular use of the research in 557 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: broader media and such, which you know, I'm just I 558 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: am a natural debunker. I love when you know everything, 559 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: something everybody believes turns out to be wrong and it's 560 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: wrong for this, you know. I just love stories like that. Don't. 561 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: So I probably like this book way more than I 562 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 1: should have. We just had the episode about Pet Peeves. 563 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: This is like the opposite of a Pet Peeves, like 564 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: the thing that I find uniquely exciting that other people 565 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: be like this is like, why on earth did you 566 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 1: like this book? That's just a book about, you know, 567 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: random psychology experiments that didn't show what they said they showed. 568 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: Well in a way, it sounds like that book probably 569 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: skewers a lot of those narratives that you and I 570 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: both don't love, which is like it's sensationalizing one thing 571 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: and kind of generalizing it and then making it your 572 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: whole life's purpose to continue to seek out data that 573 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: maybe support like what you are trying to say. Anyway, 574 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: So that's fascinating. Although I hope that Angela doesn't mind 575 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: well love it, Angela Duckworth doesn't it's skewered because I'll 576 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: be upset. Well, there is a chapter on her. You 577 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: can read it. You can read it see what she 578 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: thinks she is, I would say, you know, as you 579 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: probably get from her personality, she is far more engaged 580 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: with critics than many other people are. There are some 581 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: folks in the research community that if you question what 582 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: they have come up with, it's like you are a 583 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: heretic who must be not talked to. Like she will 584 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: talk to her critics, and we'll go back through the 585 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: data and look at it and say, well maybe we 586 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: should you know, and actually, you know, look at this stuff. 587 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: And so I think that that says a lot more 588 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: about her than he says that, you know, the versus 589 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: some of the other people that are also written about 590 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: in the book. By the way, I've mentioned her enough 591 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: times that I will admit that I would like to 592 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: get her on this show. So if anyone has any connections, 593 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: let us know. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's just a 594 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: kid summer book, which there's a lot of really cool 595 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: kid literature as well that sort of speaks to summer. 596 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: But we've really liked where. I like Night of the 597 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: Moon Jellies, which is about a little boy who works 598 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: at a seaside food stand apparently sells the best lobster 599 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: roles in New England cousins of Maine, but it's not. 600 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: But it's a little boy working there with his family. 601 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: And then there's a special boat ride at night that 602 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: just has this sort of ecstatic final experience that's really cool, 603 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: and so it says summer to me in a way 604 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: that a lot of other books do not. So I 605 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,239 Speaker 1: just throw that out there as one that people might 606 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: want to check out for reading with their kids. Night 607 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: of the Moon Jellies. So I guess do we do 608 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: Love of the Week? Before the question? I keep forgetting 609 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: what order do we do this in? I have to 610 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: resurrect one because I was going to say Sarah Sarah 611 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: used one that I was from another episode. We've been 612 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: moving around loves of the week. I was going to 613 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: put the one with us both loving working from home 614 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 1: with no one else there. But I guess that can 615 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 1: always be my love of the week. How about you? 616 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: What's yours? This? Uh oh, I'm unprepared. That's okay, we 617 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: could move on. We can move on. I'm gonna give 618 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: you two. I'll give you two next time. Okay, that 619 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: sounds good. So the question is, you know version of one? 620 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: We're getting a lot and I think a lot of 621 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: people are thinking about maybe everyone will have sorted this 622 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: out three weeks from now when this episode comes out. 623 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: But it says, you know, I'm thrilled life as returning 624 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: to normal. The kids are back in school, activity is 625 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: mostly running. However, this means we are shockingly busy again. 626 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: Quarantine life was stressful, but the slow pace had some upsides. 627 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: Is there any way to achieve the best of both 628 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: worlds here? So, Sarah, what do you think? I mean, 629 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't have a strong opinion, but I guess I'll 630 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: say what we are doing, which is that I do 631 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: feel like we have been slower to sign up for things. 632 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: Not from a COVID caution perspective really, but from a 633 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: I don't think I want to rush around as much 634 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: as we did before, and probably like one activity for 635 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: kid is great and also embracing convenience of activities like 636 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: if they're is something offered like through the school which 637 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: involves just staying at school, then it's like a yes. 638 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: And if it's like a travel soccer team, it's like 639 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: a no. I mean, I had like a brief moment 640 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: when I got an email about like travel soccer tryouts 641 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: and my husband was like, do you want to spend 642 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: every weekend going to like Saint Augustine and Florida's and 643 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 1: you are in the state, And I'm like no, And 644 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: the truth is, like I have a seven year old 645 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: who's like, probably not going to be a professional soccer player, 646 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: and even if he was, like probably, if that was 647 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: that strong of an impulse of him, it would happen anyway. 648 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: And there's actually research on sports that says like early 649 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: According to my husband, I haven't read it myself, so 650 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: he says early specialization isn't necessarily good anyway. So there 651 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: you go. I think we are thinking twice about that. 652 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: So I guess a measured approach of like thinking about 653 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: what you really missed and bringing it back and appreciating 654 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: that you can have some days that are slow and 655 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: that puzzles are still a fun way to spend an afternoon. Yeah, 656 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: totally agreed. I mean, I think time is all about 657 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: how you perceive it, and I think partly having a 658 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: lot of options makes people feel busier than they actually are, 659 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: because it's like you could always be doing something else, 660 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: and so that fact that you could be doing something 661 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: else makes the time appear fuller than it may actually 662 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: literally be. And during the pandemic, people didn't have all 663 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: those options, and so people were willing to do sort 664 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: of leisure time activities like legos or puzzles or baking 665 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: or reading longer books with their kids because it's like, well, 666 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: there's nothing else we could do, so we do these things. 667 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: But honestly, you could do those things like in normal 668 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: life too. I mean, you know, a puzzles fills the 669 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: same amount of time that like watching a TV show 670 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: does a you know, if you're reading stories to your 671 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: kids at night, like short stories, like you could read 672 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: chapters in longer books. Like there's no reason not to 673 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: do these longer, bigger things. It's just that you have 674 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more mindful about putting it 675 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: into normal life. So I think two things. One is, 676 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, track your time for a week, see where 677 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: the time actually goes, get a good sense of the landscape, 678 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: because then that helps you to see what time is 679 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: still available even with your busyness. And then also create 680 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: a realistic ideal week. We talk about this a lot 681 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: on this podcast, but a good week when you are 682 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 1: on top of your game and making space for what 683 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: you like to do, like what would that week look like? 684 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: And when you do this, you might make some strategic choices, 685 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: like you might find a way to mostly compress kid 686 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: activities until like Saturday, right instead leaving Sunday open for 687 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, well, you see what we feel 688 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: like doing or doing family activities on that day. Or 689 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: even if you could only get like half a weekend day, 690 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: if all your kid activities are done by let's say 691 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: Sunday at two pm, well that's actually a lot of time. 692 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: Like two thirty pm to bedtime is not a short 693 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: amount of time. But if you've got this story that 694 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: we're so busy, like, you won't see that you have 695 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: this time and could treat it as downtime or you know, 696 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: family time or whatever you want to do, leaving it open, 697 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: doing the family walks, things like that. So you have 698 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: to notice it, and I think that is the key part, 699 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: so you're not telling yourself that I'm so busy story, 700 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: And you might see this for your own leisure time 701 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: at night too. You know, if you have ninety minutes, 702 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: for instance, after the kids go to bed, but before 703 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: you need to get ready for bed, well it's not 704 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: an infinite amount of time, but it's some I mean 705 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: you can bake those muffins in that amount of time. 706 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: I mean you could, you know, do ninety minutes in 707 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: a puzzle, read several chapters in a book, whatever it 708 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: is that you would have done during pandemic slow times, 709 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: you can make sure that you are making space for 710 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: that now well, this has been best of both worlds. 711 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: We've been talking all things summer. We will be back 712 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: next week with more on making work and life fit together. 713 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 714 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 715 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 716 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 717 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 718 00:34:50,920 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: life work together. Four