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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: Matt lots of We're getting closer and closer to the

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Speaker 1: We're under two weeks now. We um this time two

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Speaker 1: weeks from now, actually we'll be getting ready to to

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Speaker 1: uh partake in rounds two and three of the draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have one in the books, and presume what he

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Speaker 1: talks about. You know, everybody wants to focus on the

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Speaker 1: first who's the first round guy? Who's Day two's Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they too. I think it is much fun, if not more,

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Speaker 1: because you get double the picks and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to go on. Yeah yeah, And you know, again the

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Speaker 1: main focus is always on that first round guy. But realistically,

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Speaker 1: if you're if you know what you're doing in the draft,

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Speaker 1: your top three picks should all be starters. I would

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Speaker 1: say too. But at some point, at some point during

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Speaker 1: the four years that you have them, you expect that

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Speaker 1: third round pick. Draft. Yeah, for sure. You want to

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Speaker 1: get three play three starters out of every draft. If

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Speaker 1: you're doing real well, if you get three out of

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Speaker 1: every draft. I mean, just do the math. I mean

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Speaker 1: there's only let's say there's twenty four starters, you know,

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Speaker 1: including slots, and I'm included kickers and stuff, and you

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Speaker 1: get three a year and they average, you know, five

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Speaker 1: years of being a starter for you, you know, and

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Speaker 1: they're cheap for four of them or you know, some

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Speaker 1: of them you retain, some of you don't. Some of

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Speaker 1: them are eighteen year starters, like the quarterback, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's you're okay, yeah, which leads me to, uh,

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Speaker 1: this is put out by Greg Rosenthal on dot com

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Speaker 1: where he ranked the general managers for the past five years.

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Speaker 1: That's just just the last five years with what they've

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Speaker 1: done the draft. Fair enough. Um, I would say that's

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Speaker 1: a little tough to do. Kevin and in Belichick against

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Speaker 1: the new guy, against the guys who's only you know,

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Speaker 1: this is his second or third year. Yeah, so uh

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Speaker 1: he actually ranks Chris Ballard of the Colts first. Now

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Speaker 1: can you look at that and say, Okay, well, balance

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Speaker 1: has done a good job. I can't argue, but they've

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Speaker 1: had a ton of like second round pick, second third

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Speaker 1: round picks that they've But I think that's why you

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Speaker 1: give them the benefit of the doubt. Like they did

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Speaker 1: something really smart in the Quentin Nelson draft. They moved

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Speaker 1: from four to six I think that year, and there

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Speaker 1: were six really good prospects they could have used Bradley

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Speaker 1: And one of those they took Darius Leonard, which was

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Speaker 1: but they got Brady Smith with it. I think I

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Speaker 1: think Leonard was there pick and Smith was the one

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Speaker 1: that they got. Draft. Yeah, they got three starters right

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Speaker 1: off the bat, and two of them are bro bowlers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Forest Buckner for a mid first is pretty good deal,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Paul Adams is getting the two twos

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Speaker 1: and clear many didn't have to pay him pay them.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubts. But some of these getting a star

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Speaker 1: paying them usually it costs more than a mid first.

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Speaker 1: Number two. According to Greg Rosenthal, is Kevin Colbert Colayn

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Speaker 1: for me um as he says, you're the Their best

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Speaker 1: the thing when when people, well what about Jarvis Jones,

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Speaker 1: Nobody ever talks about you got t J. Watt with

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Speaker 1: They're not the only one, because so did Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: I think Kevin's done a ton. They've not been you know,

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Speaker 1: They've always been close to the cap they do and

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Speaker 1: some of that's by design keeping your own draft, well,

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Speaker 1: you should be close to the cap year after year.

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Speaker 1: his body of work is Hall of Fame level. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He's been there. He's essentially and here's what Rosenthal says,

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Speaker 1: he's only been the GM since, which technically is correct.

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Speaker 1: That's when he got the title the Steelers general manager.

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Speaker 1: But he's been the general manager. He was he was

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Speaker 1: a director of of of profile operations. Um, that's that

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Speaker 1: previous iterations of the GM Power rankings, and the new

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Speaker 1: Colbrit's legendary run of drafting white outs has continued with

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Speaker 1: in this case, Yvon Hargrave, Yeah, you got a really

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Speaker 1: And of course Tom in the company deserves some credit

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Speaker 1: when the Steelers make a pick, it's not all Kevin Cole.

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Speaker 1: And he also has such a good relationship with the

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Speaker 1: a fair way of doing it. I mean, getting Tom

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Speaker 1: can include Sean McDermott in it, Okay, said Brandon being

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott with the Bills, Okay. I mean some are tough,

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Speaker 1: like Gruden in Shanahan, have the most juice in their

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Speaker 1: building and everyone knows it. But they're not the GM.

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Speaker 1: include Tomlin in that because they both heavily involved. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, in a way that may that diminishes Colbert

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Speaker 1: list Lynn Bowden in the third round. This is his

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Speaker 1: worst pick because they didn't even get the camp. They

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Speaker 1: traded him before. That's the third rounder they traded for

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Speaker 1: like a fifth rounder, a month eater before you even

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Speaker 1: got the camp. It's pretty bad um. But that's not

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Speaker 1: the only bad ones. I mean there's a wealth of

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Speaker 1: the first round pick. What did they get for Khalil

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Speaker 1: mc if you had it all up, not much, not much.

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Speaker 1: I mean, great picks, but they didn't make them count.

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Speaker 1: So that's the guys who are established. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of the so and then he has the newbies. You

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Speaker 1: get Trent Balkie with the Jaguars, Well, he's gonna come

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Speaker 1: out of this like when they do this one three

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Speaker 1: years from now or whatever. You got Trevor Lawrence and

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Speaker 1: you know, the first round, the Jets two or the

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Speaker 1: other one. It's a nice position to inherit. The Jets

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Speaker 1: are a year older. But the same thing with Andrew

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Speaker 1: Berry with the Browns. Really love what Andrew Berry has

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Speaker 1: done with the draft. Well he inherited all those picks.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that with the you know, with the

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Speaker 1: happen Yeah, it was like boy, I mean say what

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Speaker 1: all that. Well, they set things up really well. For

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Speaker 1: the next they kept they kept moving, you know, picks,

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Speaker 1: trading back for future picks and things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: And I kept saying, at some point, you've got to

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Speaker 1: use those picks. This guy sat down to the blackjack

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Speaker 1: table with blackjack, right. Uh. Nick Kissario from the Texans,

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Speaker 1: who knows, not sold on that nasty right now. Joe

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Speaker 1: Douglas from the Jets promising right, and he's got a

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Speaker 1: lot to work with. He got McKay backed in last year. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Scott Fitterer with the Panthers' last year. Uh, Terry Fontineau

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Speaker 1: from the Falcons what they do last year, I mean

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Speaker 1: the last couple of he's not been there a year.

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Speaker 1: I guess huh at all took over this because he's

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Speaker 1: totally complete. Yeah, Brad Holmes with the Lions there. Some

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Speaker 1: of these guys are some of these guys. He comes

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Speaker 1: over from the Rams, so George Patton or Peyton unless

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Speaker 1: sure with whether is a Peyton with the Broncos. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um takes over for el. Wait, we'll see see if

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Speaker 1: he could find a quarterback. Yeah. I mean I heard

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Speaker 1: they thought they had Stafford locked up. I think that

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Speaker 1: they're they've been trying they've been. Yeah, I think like

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. Yeah, um Peyton has a Peyton helped draft

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Speaker 1: Bridgewater in Minnesota. I don't think Bridgewater is gonna be back.

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Speaker 1: He's doing like a seven He will be seven million

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Speaker 1: extra boxer to keep him. So I think that's their

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Speaker 1: fallback plan if they can't get a field or a lance.

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Speaker 1: That's that's no fallback to me. That that would be

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Speaker 1: wasting all that receiver talent that you have. I mean,

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Speaker 1: is he better than Walk? I mean I'd rather take

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Speaker 1: my chance. And there was nothing and just to drop

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Speaker 1: in the fantasy football talk, there was nothing more frustrating

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Speaker 1: last year than owning DJ Moore because he's really good.

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Speaker 1: Because he's really good, and he was not you. He

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Speaker 1: would go an entire game without a target, and then

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Speaker 1: the last two minutes of the game, Oh, Teddy's gonna

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Speaker 1: throw the ball downfield and he finished with two catches

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Speaker 1: for fifty five yards. What was there the whole game?

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Speaker 1: And we don't talk about fantasy anymore, but they I

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Speaker 1: don't care what you think about Darnold. I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: Dj more this year because he's gonna be value. He'll

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Speaker 1: throw down the field. Yeah, the last one here is

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Speaker 1: Ron Rivera, Marty Hernie, Martin Mayhew with the football team. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean who knows, who knows who's in charge of Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I kind of think Dick Geron might have the biggest

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Speaker 1: stick in the room, though he maybe. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think Rivera would probably carry some weight. But that's why

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Speaker 1: I mean I called him. Yeah, I think he has

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Speaker 1: the most juice in that room. From what I understand,

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Speaker 1: I think the owners actually backed down a little bit lately,

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Speaker 1: which is good and probably a good thing to keep

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Speaker 1: hearing rumors they're trying to They're still being aggressive to

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Speaker 1: get a quarterback to they need to be. They don't

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Speaker 1: have one. They don't have one, they don't have one

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Speaker 1: a long way to go. I'm kind of surprised that

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Speaker 1: they didn't make a play for Cam Newton. Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: leads me to believe that Rivera thinks that Newton's done right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he knows him well enough. Yeah, he's been

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Speaker 1: around him his entire career, like he I'm sure he

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Speaker 1: sat and watched the tape from last year and going

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Speaker 1: to Cam can't throw anymore. No, And I don't think

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Speaker 1: he actively pursued him a year before that. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: he could be right on that. But that's the GM rankings.

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Speaker 1: You know, again, Kevin Colbert ranking second on that list, uh,

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Speaker 1: for the last five years. Again, you look at what

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Speaker 1: he's done, Um, you know the consistency of it. You know,

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Speaker 1: three super Bowl appearances, um to two super Bowl wins.

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Speaker 1: The only person that can say, the only guy in

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Speaker 1: this list that can say they have more than that

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Speaker 1: is Belichick. Yeah, that makes sense. And again, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what would Kevin do if you gave him if he

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Speaker 1: took over the Jags right now? You know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 1: here's Trevor Lawrence is a present and then you have

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Speaker 1: all these other picks and a blank slate and no

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Speaker 1: bad contracts you have to deal with or you know,

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Speaker 1: like what do you do building a team? You know

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Speaker 1: he's ready to do that, you know, And I get it.

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Speaker 1: That's why there were some rumors out there one the

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Speaker 1: Lions really want Kevin Colbert. Well, he wasn't going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: That's nothing where you want to go either. He's been

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Speaker 1: in that building. I'm sure he knows how. I'm not

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Speaker 1: applying he should leave by any mean, I just wonder

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Speaker 1: would he even shine more if he had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to here's Trevor Lawrence in your lap, you know, one

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Speaker 1: of those type of deals. Yeah, yeah, that's a gift.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of like when you know with

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Speaker 1: the when the you know, you go from the end

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Speaker 1: of of Peyton Manning's career, he gets hurt, you go

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Speaker 1: one in fifteen and you get Andrew happen. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: if it was the year you know Mitch Robiski's Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you miss and yeah, absolutely, it's a big contract.

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Speaker 1: You can't move him. And it's true there are some

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Speaker 1: there are some luck to this too. Yeah, and no

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Speaker 1: doubt about that. But interesting I saw that last night.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about that on the show today,

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Speaker 1: but that is going to do it for this segment

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Speaker 1: and uh, why am I drawing back Kelly? Yeah, Kellen,

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Speaker 1: played off this morning, so my brain is a little fry.

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