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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we're gonna give you some

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Speaker 1: of our takeaways from Ravens rookie mini Camp, which happened

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Speaker 1: this past weekend. John Harball started by saying, you know

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Speaker 1: the often used phrases, it's like Christmas, right, you get

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Speaker 1: these rookies on the field for the first time, you

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Speaker 1: see him for the first time, it's like opening those

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Speaker 1: presidents presence. Not quite that good, not quite that good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Christmas is tough to beat, yeah, right, but

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Speaker 1: still an exciting weekend for the Ravens seeing these guys

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Speaker 1: take the first the field for the first time. So

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Speaker 1: heard from John, heard from Harves afterwards, and a few

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Speaker 1: of the Ravens rookies, and just want to kind of

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Speaker 1: talk about first impressions. And Garrett, let's start with Nate Wiggins.

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Speaker 1: You know guy obviously from athletics standpoint, you gotta like

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Speaker 1: what you see on the field. Just a smooth mover, fast,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. So really strong first impression. I think

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Speaker 1: when you see him in the UNI from you see

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Speaker 1: how lean this dude is. He is lean, you know.

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Speaker 1: And John Harbes and Eric Tkassa have not made any

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Speaker 1: bones about it, Like he needs he needs to put

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Speaker 1: on more weight. He can do that. That's fixable, right,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of part of the reason

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Speaker 1: why I think the Ravens felt very comfortable taking him

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Speaker 1: at thirty. Okay, if the biggest knock on the guy

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Speaker 1: is that he's skinny, we can fix that. That's what

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Speaker 1: the NFL weight room and cafeteria for, you know. So

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Speaker 1: John Harbal talked about there's some technique things that he

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Speaker 1: needs to clean up and that he's very open to

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Speaker 1: that that coaching and will and uh, I think Nate

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Speaker 1: Wiggins it's it's all positive from that h I mean,

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Speaker 2: It was good, like like when you just get it

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Speaker 2: out there, you see him move around, and we've posted

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Speaker 2: some videos from mini camp, like you see how fluid

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Speaker 2: he is, and like that's what that's something that is

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Speaker 2: hard to change, Like that ability to run at the

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Speaker 2: speed that he runs.

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Speaker 1: Not many guys can do that either have that or

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Speaker 1: you don't. That cannot be taught that he can't teach

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Speaker 1: that you and some pounds that we can fix that exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I think that like just the way that he moves.

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Speaker 2: I think he's fluid and like it's it's smooth and

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Speaker 2: it looks good. Like I just think that, like he

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Speaker 2: is a he's graceful in his movements, which like is

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Speaker 2: important for a cornerback.

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Speaker 1: And so I think he's twitchy too. It's not just

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Speaker 1: like you have to have that fast twitch too as

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Speaker 1: a cornerback. He's got it all.

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Speaker 2: So like I think that, yeah, I mean you do

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Speaker 2: look at him and he's lean like he is, like

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Speaker 2: he's he's he's got weight.

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Speaker 1: To put on.

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Speaker 2: And I think that, like that is evident. And I

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Speaker 2: think that when you look at even just looking at

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Speaker 2: him and TJ. Tampa next to each other, and I

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Speaker 2: know we're going to talk about most of the guys

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Speaker 2: in this class, but like TJ. Tampa physically, like if

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Speaker 2: you were just kind of looking at them walk taking

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Speaker 2: the field, you might think TJ. Tampa was was the

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Speaker 2: first pick just because he looks like more physically ready

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Speaker 2: from the eye tests to step in to play at

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Speaker 2: the NFL level. But like I have felt this way

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Speaker 2: from the time that the Ravens drafted him, and like

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Speaker 2: people have talked about, uh, Nate Wiggins is a little

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Speaker 2: bit light a little bit lean.

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything.

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Speaker 2: You you can add pounds and he will, but like

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Speaker 2: I'm also just not that worried about that. I think that,

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Speaker 2: like I kind of think that a little too much

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Speaker 2: is being made of that. Like you want, you want

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Speaker 2: every player to be big and fast and strong and

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Speaker 2: all that stuff, but like for a cornerback, I'm really

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Speaker 2: more concerned about your ability to cover and run than

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Speaker 2: I am your ability to be a physical defender.

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Speaker 1: Like eat, you want it all, I want it all,

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Speaker 1: of course, but like I'm more concerned with the cover

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Speaker 1: piece for sure. And that's why Marlon Humphrey went higher

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Speaker 1: than number thirty in the draft, right, was because he

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Speaker 1: ran like a four to four. He had the speed,

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Speaker 1: and he's a bigger guy. Yeah right, Nate Wiggins like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's not a bigger guy. But the Ravens feel confident.

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Speaker 1: Eric Costa came on this very this very podcast and

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to that interview that we had

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Speaker 1: with the Ravens GM if you haven't done so already,

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Speaker 1: and said, you know, the Ravens aren't fooled by people

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Speaker 1: thinking that this guy doesn't hit and isn't aggressive and

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Speaker 1: You know, he's got to do that all the time, right,

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Speaker 1: And you're going to face a stronger, bigger athlete in

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Speaker 1: needs to have the strength and the size to bring

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't need Nate Wiggins blowing up guys.

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Speaker 1: I just need him to get him to the ground.

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Speaker 1: And heck, hey, you know how will we just get

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Speaker 1: make exactly I'll take that the best of all, right,

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Speaker 1: But like, yeah, he's going to need to make tackles,

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Speaker 1: and so if if he's too light to do that

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Speaker 1: think he is. He can put on weight and muscle

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Speaker 1: the NFL, and that's what they'll do. Yeah, But the

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Speaker 2: The piece exactly where I'm more the only thing I'm

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Speaker 2: like on the on the on the weight piece of

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Speaker 2: it where I have like any level of concern. It's

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Speaker 2: like if he's playing up against like a George Picken,

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Speaker 2: physical at the line, and there's some hand fighting and

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Speaker 2: there's some press. He's trying to press a big, physical

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Speaker 2: and running back. Right.

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Speaker 1: Part of his advantage with that is he has good length. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: You don't necessarily, you know, if guys can get in

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Speaker 1: If you have good length and good technique with your press. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we can make that work. He's probably he's never going

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to find other ways, and his length,

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Speaker 1: his natural length, will help with that. I also, you

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Speaker 1: talk about TJ. Tampa, just real quick, Okay, TJ Tampa,

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Speaker 1: maybe look past the eye test. Looks more like an

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Speaker 1: at the end of the fourth Exactly exactly that. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know, these guys, there's speeds in games are measured.

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Speaker 1: Teams know that, and I think the Ravens felt comfortable.

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Speaker 1: You see TJ. Tampa running guys down right, so he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's and again that's why one goes at

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Speaker 2: thirty in large part. It's not the only thing, but

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Speaker 2: I also liked what I heard from Nay Wiggins this week,

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Speaker 2: which is when he talked with the media, he talked

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Speaker 2: about how something he's focused on early on is not

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Speaker 2: being grabby as a cornerback and basically said that was interesting,

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Speaker 2: John Harball even said when he talked with the media too,

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Speaker 2: but there's things that he can improve on. As all

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Speaker 2: like you know, from the very start, the Ravens are saying, like,

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Speaker 2: to work And I like that Nay Wiggins is taking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of interesting that Nywigan said, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I expect that he'll make it. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I think Nate Wiggins is in a really good spot

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Speaker 1: into a starting position right away, right. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't have to go out there week one

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Speaker 1: him probably, Yeah, And so I think that's a good

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Speaker 1: a technique and a physicality standpoint. Yeah, so I thought

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Speaker 2: still ramping up, but the tempo can be very quick,

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Speaker 2: that when rookies get here, like we've seen that over

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Speaker 2: the years, Like you get here and you realize, like.

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Speaker 1: Whoa, this is a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Nate had that realization a little bit too.

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Speaker 1: I also like that he's been texting with Marlon Humphrey

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Speaker 1: and Roquins Beth. Yeah that's pretty that's a good sign

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Speaker 1: and I and I like that those guys reached out

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Speaker 2: And he also, you know, an easy transition for him

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Speaker 2: is he's got the same roommate here as he did

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Speaker 2: at the Combine. Yep, that's DJ Tampa. They were random

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Speaker 2: Combine roommates and they are roommates here at the early

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Speaker 2: part of the off season program.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Pretty cool. We have some roommate news to report

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Speaker 1: on here within the lounge, which we'll get to later.

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Speaker 1: Let's just the teaser for you all. You're all gonna

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Speaker 1: want to hang around for this, all right. So Roger

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Speaker 1: Rosengarten the second round pick. Uh, you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was It was cool hearing from Harves about him that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Harves had seen him play in the National

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Speaker 1: Championship game. Now, you know, John was there to root

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Speaker 1: for his brother, but he was there as a fan.

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Speaker 2: He was there and he was like, you know what,

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Speaker 2: there's this Rose Garden right to happen. I'm gonna watch

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Speaker 2: very close in this game. He had his no pad out.

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Speaker 2: He was watching that diligently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so so. So John said it

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Speaker 1: was it was really his first time seeing his his

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Speaker 1: guy had ninety five targets, fifty catches for eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty one yards a seven touchdowns to be a

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Speaker 1: nice rookie season for davonte On Montees. Walker is not

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Speaker 1: going to have that kind of rookie season. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I hope, but I am doubtful. Yeah he's going to

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Speaker 1: have that. But I ultimately think, yeah, davantees Walker could

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Speaker 1: could turn out to be a Tory Smith like player

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Speaker 1: for the Ravens and that would be, like you say, great,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's feasible. I mean, devantees Walker is

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Speaker 1: every bit, if not a little bit, faster than Tory Smith. Well,

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Speaker 1: the forty time is faster. The forty time is faster, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And he's just as big as Tory Smith. I think

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Speaker 1: he's Yeah, there were the questions about the Senior Bowl drops,

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Speaker 1: but Tory Smith was not a natural ball catcher either.

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Speaker 1: He had to kind of relearn the way he caught

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Speaker 1: the ball. Drops were a bit of a question mark

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Speaker 1: for him coming out too. I mean, if Devantes Walker

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Speaker 1: had not been a you know, had the eligibility stuff

449
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Speaker 1: and been sidelined and had all this kind of come

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere a little bit, he could have been

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Speaker 1: a second round pick. Yeah, and and he certainly could

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Speaker 1: have been a higher pick, a third round pick. The

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Speaker 1: other reason that he's got picked in the fourth round

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Speaker 1: were compared to Tory in the second round. Is there's

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Speaker 1: just much deeper but there's more talented wide receiver coming

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Speaker 1: out of these drafts in recent years. It's just a

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Speaker 1: much deeper class. So you ultimately just get pushed down

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Speaker 1: the board like this. Maybe it sounds crazy, but if

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Speaker 1: we're just talking about how good a player Devontes Walker

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Speaker 1: is coming out of college compared to how good a

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Speaker 1: player Tory Smith was coming out of college, and this

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Speaker 1: is coming from a turp okay, I think Devantes Walker

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Speaker 1: might be just as good.

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Speaker 2: I think we'll see I'm not. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: I'm convinced of that. I like Devontees Walker a lot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Tory Smith was you ran to his rookie

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Speaker 2: year stats, you know, just.

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Speaker 1: A little bit. Well, part of that is a veil

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Speaker 1: is oportunity, opportunity a huge part of that. Tory Smith

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Speaker 1: was thrown into the starting lineup a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: into his rookie season. I mean he had three touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: They put him out there starting against the Rams. I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget it. I scored three touchdowns on his first

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Speaker 1: three catches. Yep, crazy, yep. And so yeah, he was

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Speaker 1: thrust into a major role again kind of like to

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Speaker 1: my point of Nate about Nate Wiggins, that's not going

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Speaker 1: to be devontees Walker, you know. I mean, he is

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Speaker 1: not going to be a start as a Flowers or

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Speaker 1: shot Babemen're gonna be starters. And Nelly's ahead of him

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Speaker 1: on the depth chart. I think that he'll be He'll

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Speaker 1: get some meaningful offensive snaps. He'll be working to the rotation.

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Speaker 1: But right now you look at it and he's competing

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Speaker 1: with Tyler Wallace for the fourth wide receiver spot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he'll probably take it, but you know, and

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Speaker 1: they'll find ways to use him, especially on those vertical

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Speaker 1: routes I think, you know, especially on some of those

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Speaker 1: over the top routes, you know, slot fades. He can

488
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Speaker 1: dominate on those. They'll find that. But it's not going

489
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Speaker 1: to be the full repertoire like Tory Smith had. But

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Speaker 1: he's not going to get ninety five targets, yeah, like

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Speaker 1: Tory Smith did as a rookie. I mean, look, I

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Speaker 1: think the comparison might makes a lot of sense. I

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Speaker 1: think that, like.

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Speaker 2: I'm probably pumping the brakes a little bit. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: he's as good as Tory was coming out, like I'm

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Speaker 2: not there yet. I like we'll see, Like we have

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Speaker 2: still early it's early, so like maybe he will be.

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Speaker 2: I hope that he is. But Toy was a really

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Speaker 2: good player. But I think what I do think is

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Speaker 2: that Devonte's Walker is here. As Eric talked about us

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Speaker 2: last week, he talked with us about this like he

502
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Speaker 2: basically is.

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Speaker 1: A guy that can take the top off the defense.

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Speaker 2: And you know, listeners probably hear John Harbaugh's interview with

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Speaker 2: Rich Eisen recently where he talked about, you know, a

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Speaker 2: focus for this offense is being able to beat press

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Speaker 2: man coverage, and you know, like if you have a

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Speaker 2: guy who can be a vertical threat to take the

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Speaker 2: top off that forces those safeties a hangback, which they

510
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Speaker 2: believe Devontees Walker can be, then that's going to open

511
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Speaker 2: up a lot of different possibilities for this offense.

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Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs came in here and they said,

513
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Speaker 1: you're going to have to beat us over the top.

514
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Speaker 1: We're going to press you, we're gonna have single high safety,

515
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to be deserved the top. And

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Speaker 1: they watched the film and saw the Ravens struggle to

517
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Speaker 1: hit those shots throughout the season, they hit somem, yeah,

518
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Speaker 1: but they did not hit them consistently enough. It was

519
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Speaker 1: a weakness in this passing offense. And the Ravens drafts

520
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Speaker 1: and Devon tis Walker in part to help change that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got and I think that the type of

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Speaker 2: player again, that the type of physical size, speed, combination,

523
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Speaker 2: like all of that is exactly what they were looking

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Speaker 2: for in a receiver. And he has all the attributes,

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Speaker 2: and I think it was a good it was a

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Speaker 2: good start for him.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Look, I know you're you're you're soft, okay,

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Speaker 1: and so you're afraid to make declarative statements like he's

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Speaker 1: as good as story Smith as coming out of college. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So you're solft. You're just afraid, I'm willing to put

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Speaker 1: it out there.

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Speaker 2: You basically you just do the recency bias thing. It's

533
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Speaker 2: like it's the new rookie, they're here. Receivers are better

534
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Speaker 2: coming out of college these days. So it's in front

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Speaker 2: of me, it's in front of me, so like, this

536
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Speaker 2: is the best, this is the best thing I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: That's just basically what you do. It's like it's like

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Speaker 2: kids these days, kids these days. You know, it's like

539
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Speaker 2: the Jordan versus argument. I know, but you're you're jaded

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Speaker 2: by the kids these days. It's like Jordan versus le Bron.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll make I'll make one other declative statements

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Speaker 1: about Devon tes Walker. Okay, he will be the best

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Speaker 1: fourth round wide receiver the Ravens have ever drafted. Okay,

544
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Speaker 1: here's the competition. Tyler Wallace, Jaliel Scott, Chris Moore, Tanden DAWs,

545
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Speaker 1: Marcus Smith, Demetrius Williams, Ron Johnson, Oh, actually I don't

546
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Speaker 1: know about this. And Brandon Stokely Okay, okay, Brandon Stokely

547
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Speaker 1: had a long career, played for like one hundred years.

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Speaker 1: He did, he did. I got to the end there

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Speaker 1: and I had the question. Though, Marandon Stokely had a

550
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Speaker 1: very productive career, And honestly, I mean, Chris Moore has

551
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Speaker 1: been more of a special team, but he's the Ravens

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Speaker 1: for the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Now, you're already hadging you're making for the Ravens, mister,

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Speaker 2: I'll make.

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Speaker 1: I'll make these declarative statements and then can't even backpedal

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Speaker 1: back had a better backpedal than Nate Wiggans.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like your mock draft, which I did appreciate

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Speaker 2: a tweet that I got over the weekend, which was

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Speaker 2: from a fan who read your fifty words or less

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Speaker 2: article where basically said, Mink is just devoting his fifty

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Speaker 2: words a less article to explaining why he got his

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Speaker 2: mock draft strong.

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Speaker 1: Well, my point in the article was that I was

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Speaker 1: on the right track because I went in you know

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Speaker 1: my final prediction. Okay, I went corner tackle because I

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Speaker 1: knew tackles were going to go and thus the Raves

567
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Speaker 1: are gonna have an opportunity to get a corner. And

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Speaker 1: then because so many teams picked the tackles, which Eric

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Speaker 1: compliment me on this this observation, did you pick that up?

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Speaker 1: I heard that. But that's what I lawned you for

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Speaker 1: that observation. That was a great But that's just he

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Speaker 1: aplawed you for any observations you made.

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Speaker 2: He's just buttering it up, like butter you up, just

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Speaker 2: to basically try to get softer questions from you, because

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Speaker 2: he's like, all right, I'll just throw on a bone

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Speaker 2: here and just like, oh yeah, great observation. It's like

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Speaker 2: it's like when you ask a question during a press

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Speaker 2: conference and and uh, you know, whoever in Harball wants

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Speaker 2: to fill abuster.

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Speaker 1: That's a great question, make Yeah, I don't really get

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Speaker 1: that one.

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Speaker 2: A fair fair So yeah, I think I think that's

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Speaker 2: all that was. Yeah, all right, all right, moving on,

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Speaker 2: let's say, let's take a quick break and then when

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Speaker 2: we come back, well, we'll share some final thoughts from

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Speaker 2: many camp and also share which undrafted rookies I know

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Speaker 2: there's always interested in undrafted rookies. Which undrafted players have

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Speaker 1: So TJ. Tampa, the Ravens other fourth round pick, you

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Speaker 1: already talked about, it looks good coming off the bus.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is a big, physical, long arms. I mean,

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00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: this dude has you talk about having some reach. This

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00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: guy's got it rare, and so I thought the interesting

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Speaker 1: thing for him was John Harwall talked about how the

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Speaker 1: Ravens two cornerbacks have kind of different strengths, you know,

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Speaker 1: Nate Wiggans being your speed cover guy, TJ. Tampa being

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Speaker 1: a longer, more physical press corner, and John Harwall said, quote,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a factor into how we build

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Speaker 1: our defense. And so the interesting thing is everybody kind

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Speaker 1: of looked at this draft and thought, all right, the

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Speaker 1: Ravens are going to have their offensive line rebuild in

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Speaker 1: this year's draft. Roger Rosegarden's a big piece that of

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Speaker 1: the rebuild. But then by not drafting another guard until

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Speaker 1: the seventh round, or really a center until the seventh round,

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Speaker 1: who could possibly play guard? You know, it wasn't as much,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't as addressed as much as I think some

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Speaker 1: people were expecting. The offensive line what was and what

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Speaker 1: was really restocked and built for there was the cornerback room.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you need to talk about Marlon Humphreys getting

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Speaker 1: up you know, he's he's getting up there in age.

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Speaker 1: Don't know whether he'll get another contract from the Ravens

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Speaker 1: or not. We'll see. Brandon Stevens is going into the

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Speaker 1: final year of his rookie deal. The Ravens brought in

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Speaker 1: two corners who I think they very much view as starters.

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Speaker 1: They could be the longtime starters opposite each other. And

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Speaker 1: just John Harwall's comments of it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: factor into how we build our defense with TJ Tampa

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Speaker 1: a fourth round pick kind of tells you how strongly

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Speaker 1: they feel about him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well again, just we keep referencing the TACASA podcast.

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Speaker 2: He was very open about the fact that the Ravens

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Speaker 2: considered taking him on day two, like he was so

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Speaker 2: pick they thought about taking him in the third round,

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Speaker 2: and the fact that he was still sitting there on

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Speaker 2: the board at the end of the fourth like they

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Speaker 2: couldn't hesitate, even though they'd already addressed Corner, but they

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Speaker 2: were like, we just can't.

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Speaker 1: It would it would not be it would be a

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Speaker 1: poor decision. Not to take a player they had that

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Speaker 1: highly rated and that at that position. So it's kind

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Speaker 1: of you know, when they were on the it sounds

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Speaker 1: like when they were on the clock in the third

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Speaker 1: round they were looking at Desa Isaac and TJ. Tampa

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Speaker 1: and said, you know, I don't even know if who

647
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Speaker 1: was ranked higher on their board than the other, but

648
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Speaker 1: they were kind of like, we just picked a corner

649
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Speaker 1: in the first round. Here's a player that we really

650
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Speaker 1: love in a Desa Isaac at a premier position outside

651
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Speaker 1: linebacker that we need to address. Not only is it

652
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Speaker 1: just one of the premier positions on the field, but

653
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Speaker 1: also we need an outside linebacker. Let's take Isaac and

654
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Speaker 1: then lo and behold, TJ. Tampa's still there for you

655
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Speaker 1: in the fourth round. So really, at the end of

656
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Speaker 1: the fourth round, not even your first fourth round, they

657
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Speaker 1: took because they needed a wide receiver too, and loved

658
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Avontez Walkers, so that I think they really feel good

659
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Speaker 1: about that. And TJ. Tampa hearing from him over the weekend,

660
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Speaker 1: you know, he talked about people are still asking my

661
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Speaker 1: you know, how do you feel getting picked so much

662
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: later that people expected he's moved on from that. You

663
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Speaker 1: know it kind of even hearing from him right after

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Speaker 1: the pick. Sure, he said, yeah, a chip on my shoulder,

665
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Speaker 1: and now I have that for my whole career. But

666
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Speaker 1: it doesn't actually feel like he does. You know, it's

667
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Speaker 1: kind of like I'm in the league now, Like what

668
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Speaker 1: that's done. Yeah, Like I'm focused on the job, right

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Speaker 1: and you know, and he also talked about a little

670
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Speaker 1: extra motivation of he has Nate Wiggins in the room

671
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Speaker 1: and he's his roommate, and yeah, you get some friendly

672
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Speaker 1: competition and that's a good thing. We've seen that work

673
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Speaker 1: out with the Ravens when they draft two guys at

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Speaker 1: the same position.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I I kind of wonder with TJ. Tampa,

676
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Speaker 2: like could he turn into this would be great if

677
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Speaker 2: this is the case. But like what Brandon Stevens has,

678
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Speaker 2: Like Brandon Stevens like he was a guy whose physical

679
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Speaker 2: rugged cornerback. It's not like he ran in the four twos.

680
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Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't putting up Nate Wiggans times. But like,

681
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Speaker 2: I just wonder if you know that that could be

682
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Speaker 2: you know, if TJ. Tampa steps into a starting role

683
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Speaker 2: of this defense at some point in his career, could

684
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Speaker 2: he be a player in that mole, the way that

685
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Speaker 2: Brandon Stevens plays the game.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't really see the comps there necessarily. Yeah,

687
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Speaker 1: I think that Stevens is a little bit a little

688
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Speaker 1: bit more. I don't know, if you want to say twitchy,

689
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that

690
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: I see the comp there necessarily. Interesting. Well, we'll see. Yeah,

691
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Speaker 1: I do think that he could evolve into a starter

692
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Speaker 1: like Brandon Stevens has for sure. I don't know that

693
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Speaker 1: he has the versatility that you know, Brandon Stevens played

694
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Speaker 1: safety a year.

695
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Speaker 2: I mean that's where Brandon is such a unicortion in

696
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Speaker 2: that way exactly, he.

697
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Speaker 1: Can play basically any position in the secondary. To go

698
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Speaker 1: from playing safety when you first come into the league,

699
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Speaker 1: now he was a college running back, then a college

700
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Speaker 1: outside corner at SMU, and then to come in and

701
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Speaker 1: play safety, you know, started games as a rookie at

702
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Speaker 1: safety and then go back to outside corner. Yeah, that's

703
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Speaker 1: pretty rare. But I am intrigued by TJ. Tampa, And

704
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Speaker 1: really he's an intriguing competition in that it's really for

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Speaker 1: kind of that number four top outside backup job. I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: not top because Nate Wiggins would be your top outside

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Speaker 1: back up right now to starters Marlon Humphrey and and

708
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Speaker 1: Brandon Stevens. I don't think Marlon Humphrey is going to

709
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Speaker 1: go in the slot like as much as he did

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Speaker 1: earlier in his career.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's an interesting thing, like if they want to

712
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Speaker 2: get Nate Wigs on the field, and they like Marlon

713
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Speaker 2: even talked about that, like, you know, as as Nate

714
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Speaker 2: Wiggins was drafted, like he's you know, that versatility that

715
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Speaker 2: he has would allow the Ravens to get all three

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Speaker 2: of those guys on the field if they want all

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Speaker 2: three of them on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, to have Arthur Mullett to the question is

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Speaker 1: the question is now the Ravens don't have Genostones, So

720
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Speaker 1: presumably right now you have more Kyle Hamilton not playing

721
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Speaker 1: nickel because you don't have that third safety on the

722
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Speaker 1: roster right now that he trust as much as Genostone.

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Speaker 1: M hm. Maybe ourd Arius Washington turns into that that's

724
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Speaker 1: probably the guy who's in that position right now. But

725
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Speaker 1: without Kyle Hamilton in the slot as much. Let's say

726
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Speaker 1: then the question is, all right, how do you feel

727
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Speaker 1: about Arthur Mullett, and it's becomes would you rather have

728
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Speaker 1: on the field Arthur Molett in the slot and then

729
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Speaker 1: you know Marlon and Brandon Stevens outside, or do you

730
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Speaker 1: want Marlin in the slot Nate Wiggins outside? Do you

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Speaker 1: probably like the latter a little bit more, but it'll

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Speaker 1: be rotational. I don't think Marlin's gonna play as much

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Speaker 1: in the slot as he did, you know, earlier in

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Speaker 1: his career when he was playing the majority of the

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Speaker 1: snaps there. I don't expect that to happen, but I

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Speaker 1: do think he will play more than he did last year. Right,

737
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Speaker 1: we saw it some against the forty nine ers. He

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Speaker 1: kicked inside a little bit more of that game. And

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Speaker 1: he can still do it at a high level. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can do it.

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Speaker 2: I think that he likes it in there at times,

742
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Speaker 2: and it's just it gives you another look, gives you

743
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Speaker 2: another option.

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Speaker 1: And then if that's the case, then TJ. Tampa, you know,

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Speaker 1: if Nate Wiggins is playing a lot, then TJ. Tampa

746
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Speaker 1: is in competition with Jalen armor Davis really to be

747
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Speaker 1: the top backup to Nate Wiggins basically at outside corner

748
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Speaker 1: and all those other outside corners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So as we continue looking through this

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Speaker 2: draft class, you know we already mentioned Rasheene Ali.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Devin Learry is the other guy I have a

752
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Speaker 1: note on here. Yeah, and John Harball is kind of funny,

753
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean you can just see even in

754
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Speaker 1: the short clips that we put out from practice that

755
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Speaker 1: guy can spin it. Yeah, he can throw the ball.

756
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Speaker 1: And John Harwall's basically said, he's very understanding of he

757
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: knows what he needs to improve on, and that's not

758
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Speaker 1: throwing it. That's not throwing it to the other team

759
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: too much of that last year at Kentucky. Guy can

760
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Speaker 1: guy can throw the ball with the best of them.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't, if you don't, if you're turning

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Speaker 1: the ball over too much, that goes out the window.

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Speaker 1: So Devin Larry is very aware of that. That'll be

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Speaker 1: something once we have offense versus defense drills. I'm sure

765
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Speaker 1: everybody's going to be paying attention to him not turning

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Speaker 1: the ball over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Devil Larry's just gonna be a fun guy to watch.

768
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Speaker 2: Like he's gonna get a ton of time in the

769
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Speaker 2: preseason and.

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Speaker 1: Gonna have some throws that make you say wow. Yeah,

771
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Speaker 1: like he throws the ball. He throws a great ball.

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Speaker 2: So I think that, like he'll be a fun guy

773
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Speaker 2: to watch over the course of the summer. You know,

774
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Speaker 2: he's gonna compete, like he's he doesn't have a roster

775
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Speaker 2: respond the scene locked up.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be a competition. Like see if he ends

777
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Speaker 1: up making the fifty three or if he goes to

778
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Speaker 1: the practice squad, like he'll have to earn it this summer.

779
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Speaker 1: But the arm talents there.

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Speaker 2: He even said it after he was drafted, like what's

781
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Speaker 2: kind of your strength and he's like, yeah, my arm, Like.

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Speaker 1: He's like, basically, not many people in the world can

783
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Speaker 1: throw the ball better than me. That's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so's start there and then you feel like you

785
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Speaker 2: can work with that. It's kind of like you know

786
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: we're talking, it's different, but like we were having the

787
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Speaker 2: conversation with about Nate Wiggins, like you have great athleticism,

788
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: great speed, if you have a quarterback with a great arm,

789
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Speaker 2: like good place to start and then you can develop

790
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Speaker 2: develop from there. So he's a developmental guy, but you

791
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Speaker 2: know you can you can see the arm talent from

792
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Speaker 2: the time that he gets on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yep, totally. I think one other guy, and this is

794
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Speaker 1: not a rookie that I want to talk about, but

795
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest takeaways from rookie mini camp is

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Speaker 1: Andrew Vorhees being on the fields and so just so

797
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Speaker 1: listeners know, some of the veterans, veterans who are coming

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Speaker 1: off of injuries or were on the practice squad at

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Speaker 1: last at the end of last year, are eligible to

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Speaker 1: participate in these practices as well. Well, this is the

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Speaker 1: first time that reporters that we've seen Andrew bore. He's

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Speaker 1: on the field playing football, and he looks good. I mean,

803
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Speaker 1: no knee brace, he looks unencumbered, he looks back physically

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Speaker 1: and and just looks good from a physical standpoint. John

805
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: Harball and Eric KOs kind of teased that said, this

806
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: dude's stronger than He's very strong right now. He's he's

807
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: done his work in the weight room to prepare for

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Speaker 1: this moment. And you know, John Harwall talked about his

809
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Speaker 1: confidence in you know, I'm not freaking out about the

810
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: guard situation. Basically, maybe some of y'all are out there

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Speaker 1: are out there, but we're not. And part of it

812
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Speaker 1: is because Andrew Boorhes looks so good.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think no knee braces is kind of significant. Now,

814
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Speaker 2: like this isn't a super physical practice, so like I

815
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Speaker 2: don't know that would change.

816
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: But like and whatever, a lot of guys where knee

817
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: brace is for just protection whatever, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think that if you don't have one on, I

819
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: think that that says something about where you are mentally

820
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Speaker 2: in the recovery process, that like you're not thinking about it,

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Speaker 2: you're not worried about that, you feel physically durable with

822
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Speaker 2: the knee, And I think that like that that that

823
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Speaker 2: type of stuff matter. So I honestly feel like, look,

824
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Speaker 2: it's great to see where he's on the field.

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Speaker 1: All the reports have been very positive. You know, he's

826
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Speaker 1: he's got a long way to go. He's got to

827
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Speaker 1: win the job. I mean, he's gonna win the job

828
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Speaker 1: in early May.

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Speaker 2: I want to see Hm with the pass on. I

830
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Speaker 2: want to see him with the pass on in training camp.

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Speaker 2: That to me is when we're really gonna have this

832
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Speaker 2: thing hashed out. Like not in camp.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about it a lot before them,

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Speaker 1: but absolutely it's gonna get real then, yes, and it's

835
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Speaker 1: and it's gonna get real in preseason games. I mean,

836
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Speaker 1: we were all hype and sala. Last offseason he was

837
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Speaker 1: looking good and getting first team reps and we're all

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Speaker 1: talking to a six round rookie really, you know, be

839
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Speaker 1: the starting guard. And he had a kind of a

840
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: tough preseason, and so Andrew vore he's gonna have to

841
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: go out there and have a good preseason if he's

842
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: gonna win that job. Yep, totally.

843
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: And then undrafted rookies, Yeah, because everyone everybody wants to know.

844
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Speaker 2: Everyone always asks about It's like it's funny, like you know,

845
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 2: you go through all this draft talk, the draft classes set,

846
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: and like before before you know they the final round

847
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Speaker 2: is even concluded, everyone's hitting us up on Twitter asking

848
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: about the undrafted rookies before the.

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Speaker 1: Ink is even dry on you write down who you picked.

850
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's crazy. So there's always an interest in that.

851
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Speaker 1: And I think that one of the guys who really

852
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: generated some of the most interests during the lead up

853
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: process was the Maryland kid, Bo Braid Safety, And honestly,

854
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: people were tweeting at us in like the third, fourth, fifth, sixth,

855
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: seventh round saying draft this guy, you know, like there

856
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Speaker 1: was a lot of interest in him locally. Of course,

857
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Speaker 1: he actually did not participate in the open practice that

858
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Speaker 1: the media saw because he rolled his ankle on Friday,

859
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Speaker 1: so didn't get to see him in action at rookie

860
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: many camp, which is a little bit disappointing, But he's

861
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: a talented player who's got a shot there at safety.

862
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I think that they drafted Sannoosie

863
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: Kane was their final pick, and I like that pick,

864
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: but you know, he was I think eight picks away

865
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: from going undrafted. So like, let's not sit here the

866
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: gap there between the exactly, bo Braid was the top

867
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: undrafted safety on the remaining and the Ravens got a

868
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: much I don't know what every team, how every team

869
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: ranked him, but he was one off. I mean a

870
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: lot of Dame Bruler of the Athletic expecting to be

871
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: a borderline fourth or fifth round prospects, you know, maybe

872
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: going the fourth round he's there undrafted. So what's the

873
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: difference between Sanusie canaan bo Braid. I don't know that

874
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: it's big, you know, I don't know there's a big

875
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: gap there. That's a competition that's like, to me, that's

876
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: a straight up legit competition, yep, to make to make

877
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: the team on the fifty three and the practice squad yep,

878
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: and so Bo Braid needs to be healthy, you know,

879
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: not practicing this weekend. Obviously it's not the start you

880
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: want to have. But from a talent standpoint, yeah, I

881
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: think that that it's going to be interesting to see

882
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: can he can he beat out Sanoosie. That'll be a competition.

883
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be definitely one to watch, And there is

884
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: an opportunity there, like and and look, the guy who

885
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: just left was the seventh round pick who signed nice

886
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: contract the Bengals and Geno Stone Yeah, and turn out

887
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: to be, as Eric Tecosta said earlier this offseason, probably

888
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: the best seventh round pick in Ravens history.

889
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

890
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: So you know, the Ravens have had success with late

891
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: round safeties and Gino of course being at the top

892
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: of that list as a seventh router.

893
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: And you know, these two guys have an opportunity here

894
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: in kan And like.

895
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: You know, in theory, you think that the draft pick

896
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: has the edge, but I think you laid it out well. Also,

897
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: like when you get down into the fifth, sixth, seventh round,

898
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: like nothing is guaranteed. Kyle blue Kelly. Last year, the

899
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: Ravens drafted in the fifth round, didn't make it out

900
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: of camp, So like, nothing is guaranteed at that point,

901
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: and so you're those two guys are definitely going to

902
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 2: be competing.

903
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, And I think the other interesting thing is,

904
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, you have every team hosts a local pro day,

905
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: so you have local colleges, kids, prospects from local colleges

906
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: come out and work out in your facility, and it

907
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: gives you a chance to talk to them, do a

908
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: little recruiting of possible undrafted free agents. You know, a man,

909
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: we like, you did a great out here. If you

910
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: go undrafted, we'd love to have you here, right, Those

911
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: conversations were probably had with Bo Braid, I'm gonna guess,

912
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: And so if they felt like, hey, this is a

913
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: guy who played right down the street from the Ravens

914
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: facility at River Hill High School, you know, played at

915
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: Universe and Maryland, he'd of course love to probably stay

916
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: in the area and play for his hometown team, the Ravens.

917
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: If we have a good chance of getting him undrafted

918
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: and we're late in the seventh round, we're looking at safeties.

919
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: If you feel like we can get him in our

920
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: undrafted class, and draft this other guy who has no

921
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: Maryland connection, you know, in Sanoosi. Then makes it an

922
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: easier decision. He basically you can get both exactly, you

923
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: get both. And so I think that's another kind of interesting.

924
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was the case, but maybe

925
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: that was. Here's here's another player who's got some is

926
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: an intriguing player. Running back Chris Collier out of lock

927
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: Haven D two player put up All American All American

928
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: Big Time production last year almost fourteen hundred yards twelve

929
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: touchdowns in eleven games. He also had two hundred and

930
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: thirty eight yards and three scores catching the ball out

931
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: of the backfield. Now you know, the Ravens have you know,

932
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: pretty good backfield as it stands right now. Drafted Rasheina Lee,

933
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: so you know, they have course signed Derek Canada. They

934
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: have Justice. So they have Keith Mitchell coming back from

935
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: the injury. Not sure exactly when he'll be, you know,

936
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: good to go.

937
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: This is for a practice squat spot, but I think

938
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: that he's an intriguing player. Super It can't be much

939
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: more productive than he was in college small school.

940
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: But like hey, Keith Mitchell last year came in and

941
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: made the team as an undrafted I mean yeah, I

942
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: mean John harpbll really the thing when you're coming from

943
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: a Division two school is can you handle the competition? Jump? Yep?

944
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: And John Horbell said, you know he's not out there

945
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: on the field with NFL players yet, right, So we'll

946
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: see with a bunch of veterans at least, let's say,

947
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: but first signs are positive. John Harball said, looks like

948
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: he looks like he nang and from an athletic standpoint,

949
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: really good. I want to name another intriguing guy, Joe

950
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: Evans from Iowa, and I'll tell you he led Iowa

951
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: with nine and a half sacks and ten quarterback pressures

952
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: last year. He rings fourth time, fourth all time in

953
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: program history in sacks with twenty eight career sacks. I mean,

954
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: there's been some good defensive players coming out of i

955
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: was guy's fourth all time. Now, so you're like, how

956
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: the heck did this guy go undrafted? You know, I

957
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: mean he's a little bit smaller guy. It seems like

958
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: he's almost like the just the effort guy, like just

959
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: a rugged effort, you know, but you look at the

960
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: measurables and it's not great on paper, just great production,

961
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: and there's always the well is that going to work

962
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: in the NFL. The interesting thing about him is he

963
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: could have a potential position change. The Ravens used him.

964
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: He was a d end in college. He could be

965
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, that's where he got his reps here at

966
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: Ravens Mini Caamp rookie Minicamp. But he could also be

967
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: a fullback, maybe a move tight end. John Harwall talked

968
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: about that, do we have another pat Riccard on our hands? Well? Also,

969
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like Ben Mason exactly, it did that as well.

970
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: I mean he was one of the background, one of

971
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: the two dozen players that went out to LA this offseason.

972
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: He's with the Chargers now. Yeah, so you do you

973
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: do you do have an opening kind of for especially

974
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: on the practice squad, for kind of your backup fullback. Yeah.

975
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: I think I think when you look at the practice

976
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: squad standpoint, if you have that ability, like it just

977
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: makes you more valuable.

978
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: Like for sure the old adage of the more you do.

979
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: But I think that really does play into it when

980
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: you're talking about practice squad because you could be, like,

981
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 2: you know what, we could play this guy either way,

982
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: you know, in practice and like you know, that's a

983
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: way to add essentially an extra roster spot. Like it's

984
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: like he's doing that. He's playing one hundred percent of

985
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: the snaps out in practice. But I do think that,

986
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: like it gives you an edge. Yeah, and so I

987
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: think that, like.

988
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Could he be the next Project Pat, that's the question.

989
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, certainly a very different player body type.

990
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: For sure, he's not as big, that's for sure.

991
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: No Pat Pat three hundred pounds coming downhill at you.

992
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: But you know, I think the Ravens kind of tried

993
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: that with Ben Mason too, you know, as a as

994
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: a guy that has some of that positional flexibility.

995
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Last guy out point too, offensive tackle Julian Pearl

996
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: out of Illinois, six foot six, three thirteen. You know,

997
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: sometimes when you have an obvious need, right, they drafted

998
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: Roger Rosegarden, they took one. When you have an obvious need,

999
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: it helps with your recruiting with undrafted free agents. Helped

1000
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: a safety I think for the Ravens too, and also guard.

1001
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: And so you have an offensive lineman here who started

1002
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: twenty four games over the last two years. I mean

1003
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: Dan Brugler had him as a potential six round pick.

1004
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: He was kind of on the ESPN board of top

1005
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: prospects available. He was at or near the top of

1006
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: that board for a long time. On three and so

1007
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: an interesting toolsy kind of offensive tackle that the Ravens

1008
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: can kind of groom. Sorry I said one more, but

1009
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: I actually do have one more. Yeah, here's the guard

1010
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: out of Alabama. I mean, anytime you have a guard

1011
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: Alabama interior offensive lineman, I just get Bradley Boseman vibes.

1012
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean Darien Dalcourt guard from Alabama. Sure, Okay, from

1013
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: having a grace right, having a grace, that's you got

1014
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: to get the pronunciation right there. I don't know how

1015
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: to say it. Have ity grace, haveity grace, haveity grace. Yeah,

1016
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: it's up where I grew up there, buddy. Yeah.

1017
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: But so you know local guy, yeah, I mean part

1018
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: time starter at Alabama. Yeah, but what's Alabama?

1019
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: You know, so he'll have a shot exactly. So. Yeah,

1020
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: that there's are some undrafted rookie free agents. There's some

1021
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: interesting wide receivers. I'm not gonna go down the whole list,

1022
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: but there are some guys to keep an eye on.

1023
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: Of course, again, we're very early. It's way too early

1024
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: to say this guy has the best shot of making

1025
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: the fifty three as much as I know.

1026
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at basically positions and opportunity. That's why

1027
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: safety jumps out as an example. So like you look

1028
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: at that and you know these guys, I think there

1029
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: will probably be one undrafted rookie who makes the team.

1030
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: History suggests that's going to be the case. Yep, And

1031
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: you know we'll see you know. Also, there's always a

1032
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: little bit of movement here after a rookie mini camp.

1033
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: There's tryout players who are here. We'll see if any

1034
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: of them end up getting added to the team. So

1035
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: like there's always some roster moves in the days immediately

1036
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: following rookie may camp.

1037
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, last thing for the pod, Garrett. It's a sad day.

1038
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: It is a sad day in the lounge, my friends,

1039
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: because the lounge is dead. The lounge is dead. I'm

1040
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: sorry to let listeners know, but Garrett's big time in me. Okay,

1041
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: he moved out of the lounge. I came in to

1042
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: work this morning empty desk for Garrett. I thought, first,

1043
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: did he get fired? It's about time, you know, I've

1044
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: been waiting for this. I could have offered you some boxes.

1045
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: I have mine always waiting. They're always ready. They always

1046
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: had the ready. But Garrett and I, beginning in twenty eleven,

1047
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: when Garrett was hired, I came on one year before

1048
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: or two years before him. We have shared an office

1049
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: for the past thirteen years, sitting no more than ten

1050
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: feet apart from each other at all times, at all times.

1051
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: First it was just he and I in a tiny

1052
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: little clock glorified closet sharing that, and then we got

1053
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger digs. We had kind of four

1054
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: cubicles in our bigger room. It was me, you, Clifton,

1055
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: and also Johnny Iyes. Johnny I spent some time in there,

1056
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: but Garrett and I were still across from each other,

1057
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: so we could just turn and talk to each other

1058
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: at all times, bicker with each other, argue, yell at

1059
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: each other, tell each other we're idiots. Whatever. That is

1060
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: how the name the Lounge was formed exactly. It felt

1061
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: like a lounge, and it was our conversations that we

1062
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: brought to you in more of a PG version. Yes,

1063
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: and now the lounge is dead. Garrett is big time

1064
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: and he's moved out of the lounge to his own office.

1065
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: He wants his own solo office where he doesn't get

1066
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: bothered by me. I'll ask you, why did you do it, Garrett?

1067
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: Why did you leave me?

1068
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: Well, you know, thirteen years of sitting across from you.

1069
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Speaker 2: I feel like I deserve a medal for that. I

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Speaker 2: feel like that is an accomplishment. That is the accomplishment

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Speaker 2: that I'm most proud of in my Raven's career, surviving

1072
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Speaker 2: thirteen years of sitting across from you. I also, you

1073
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Speaker 2: say the lounge is dead. I think of the lounge.

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Speaker 2: The lounge is bigger than a physical space. It's a

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Speaker 2: frame of that sign started. It's it's how it started.

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Speaker 2: But it's not where it ends. The lounge. The lounge is,

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Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a state of being it is.

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Speaker 2: It is omnipresent. And so I think that that will

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Speaker 2: continue no matter where the physical desks and offices are located.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna crash your office a lot, That's

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. See, Garrett got the big promotion promotion.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, now you buy an office, I'm gonna

1083
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Speaker 2: break free from bank.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you know what the sad thing is, Listeners,

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Speaker 1: he didn't even have the he didn't even have that's

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Speaker 1: not true the goal himself. That didn't even break the news.

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Speaker 1: I found out in a meeting that's Garrett's going to

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00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: I was like, what that is not true. That is

1089
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Speaker 1: not true. It is true. You said there was a possibility.

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Speaker 1: Well you said there's a possibility. That was what you said.

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Speaker 1: It's not locked in. You're like, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's even gonna happen out.

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Speaker 2: And then I found out it's gonna have all found

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Speaker 2: out exactly.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, here's what I'll said. The last thing. I'll say,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna miss me. Hmm, You're gonna miss me. It's

1097
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Speaker 1: gonna feel awfully lonely in there, my friend.

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Speaker 2: It will Well, you just say you're gonna crash it,

1099
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Speaker 2: so I feel like I won't. You're not going too

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Speaker 2: far away, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's fair anyway, Thanks for listening, everybody. Uh, send

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Speaker 1: me send me some nice emails. I need it. I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of crying on the inside to lose my buddy.

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Speaker 1: I am legitimately a little bit sad about this, So

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Speaker 1: send us emails to the lounge at Ravens dot NFL

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Speaker 1: dot net. It's gonna be me and Cliff. Now, Cliff's

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Speaker 1: gonna get real sick and you. Thanks for listening. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back with you later this week.