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Speaker 1: There's this missing sub that went down looking for the Titanic,

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Speaker 1: and ironically seems to be it seems to have gone

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Speaker 1: down itself and is lost right in that same area.

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Speaker 1: So what is the latest on this. Five people on board,

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Speaker 1: most of them pretty wealthy. We don't know if they're alive,

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Speaker 1: but there may be some signs to give us hope.

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Speaker 1: Alex Stone is our ABC News correspondent and he's been

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Speaker 1: covering this. Alex more noises coming from the depths.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like, yeah, hey there, Chris. So we know

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Speaker 2: that there is a P three Canadian submarine hunter aircraft

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Speaker 2: that he's been putting sodar booies into the water and

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Speaker 2: that they are hearing noises. It started late yesterday. They

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Speaker 2: have been getting banging noises or pinging noises today as well.

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Speaker 2: On bottom line, they don't know what they are. Is

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Speaker 2: it the five men banging from inside of the titan

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Speaker 2: for help? They don't know. Is it something else in

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Speaker 2: the water. And there's a lot of science involved in

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Speaker 2: how the audio the moves in the water and what

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Speaker 2: would Creed sounds like that. But Captain Jimmie Frederick today

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Speaker 2: he says that they started hearing the noises yesterday. They

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Speaker 2: have been searching that area. They have found nothing. He's saying,

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Speaker 2: we don't know what they are.

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Speaker 3: But to be frank with you, the P three detective noises,

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Speaker 3: that's why they're up there.

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Speaker 4: That's why they're doing what they're doing. That's why they

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Speaker 4: put so on our booes in the water. The good

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Speaker 4: news is what I could tell you is we're searching

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Speaker 4: in the area where the noises were detected and will

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of science going into it right

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Speaker 2: now with a lot of people analyzing that audio Carl Hartsfield,

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Speaker 2: he is a ocean physics expert helping out in the

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Speaker 2: search effort. He was saying today Chris and those underwater

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Speaker 2: noises that it is complex that they have to analyze them.

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Speaker 2: Could be sea life, could be the many boats in

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Speaker 2: the area making the noise, could even be the Titanic

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Speaker 2: Or it could be the titan and they're banging trying

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Speaker 2: to let people know where they are. He said that they're.

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Speaker 4: Trying to put all the pieces together. The noises have

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Speaker 4: been described as banging noises. But again they have to

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Speaker 4: put the whole picture together in context, and they have

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Speaker 4: to eliminate potential man made sources other than the Titans.

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Speaker 2: And commanders don't want the families to get their hopes

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Speaker 2: of that the men are alive or that they're making

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Speaker 2: these noises. They don't know. But even if they are alive, Chris,

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Speaker 2: and they're trapped inside, what do they do. Time is

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Speaker 2: running out. It's believed that they will be out of

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Speaker 2: oxygen tomorrow if everything works perfectly. This is all based

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Speaker 2: on calculations. Nobody is actually in the real world tried

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Speaker 2: see when they run out of air. That it is

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Speaker 2: based on the manufacture saying it will last this long.

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Speaker 2: They have three systems. The mean scrubbing system that scrubs

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Speaker 2: Then scuba like tanks on board. So that is if

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Speaker 2: the calculations and not real world, are exactly how they

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Speaker 2: Guard was saying, they just don't know. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: the real possibility that they've been gone since the very

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Speaker 1: is what are the possibilities? As you mentioned, there could

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Speaker 1: Could also be the absolute worst scenario if we don't

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Speaker 2: And how do we get to them in time when

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Speaker 2: are a lot of smart minds trying to put together

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Speaker 1: Alex Done is our ABC News correspondent, Alex Why do

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Speaker 1: you think it is? I mean, the tragedies happen around

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with this one, it's it's several things.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of the the interest in MHD seventy

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Speaker 2: the names who were on board. These are billionaires who

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Speaker 2: You got it sounds good. Put him your voice, Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Chris, Thanks buddy. All right, So suppose that you are

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Speaker 1: But what do you say, pose it's like to be

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Speaker 1: Ken KFI AM six forty were live everywhere on your

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris merrill In for John and Ken. And at

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Speaker 1: Camping World, which is fine, frankly, not even sarcastically, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: NASA developed light bulb. So that's fine. But there are

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Speaker 1: Chris merrill In for John and Ken headlines all across

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Speaker 1: the country here over the last couple of years. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: would eventually burn out, and so they said, look, we're

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Speaker 1: just banning the sanal of new incandescent light bulbs and

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Speaker 1: eventually we went to those pigtail shaped fluorescent bulbs, and

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Speaker 1: everybody's going to LEDs, and we're accustomed to it. Now

435
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Speaker 1: that the change has taken effect and we've had some

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Speaker 1: years to adjust, we're accustomed to it. In the same way,

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Speaker 1: this whole effort on the gas stoves starts with an

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Speaker 1: effort to say, Okay, we're not putting in new gas stoves,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to retrofit your house. But now LA

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Speaker 1: is saying no, we are going to try to retrofit

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Speaker 1: your house because it is that much of a risk,

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Speaker 1: both the health risk and a risk to the environment.

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Speaker 1: And so the effort here is to turn everything electric,

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Speaker 1: to electrify all buildings by twenty fifty. Now, the angle

445
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Speaker 1: and awful lot of people are taking on this story is, oh,

446
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Speaker 1: what is that going to do to cost of renting?

447
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Speaker 1: Because landlord's going to pass the cost onto renters. Rent

448
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Speaker 1: is already crazy expensive. This is going to create homelessness, right,

449
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Speaker 1: and it's a fair angle to go on. I have

450
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Speaker 1: a little bit different take on this. And then as

451
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Speaker 1: you're trying to electrify all of the appliances because you

452
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Speaker 1: don't care for the health concerns, you don't like the

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Speaker 1: environmental concerns that come with the gas appliances, stoves, water heaters, dryers,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. We don't have the power to make

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Speaker 1: everything electric. We don't have it. Now. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: we can't get there, but we don't have a plan

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Speaker 1: in place to update the infrastructure. We are not consciously

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Speaker 1: moving forward on strong efforts to update the technologies the

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Speaker 1: creation and the transmission of electricity. We're not doing it.

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Speaker 1: We want all electric cars in California. We're banning gas cars.

461
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Speaker 1: And yet when we have a hot summer, we have

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Speaker 1: threats of the grid going down. And why is there

463
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Speaker 1: a thread of the grid going down? Because when it

464
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Speaker 1: gets really hot, what do we do. We all turn

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Speaker 1: on our electric air conditioners. We're using the electric appliances,

466
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Speaker 1: and the electric appliances are overtaxing the grid. We do

467
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Speaker 1: not have the power. Forget that your car still needs

468
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Speaker 1: to charge. Not gonna happen at night, right, that's fine.

469
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Speaker 1: We don't have the power for all of these things

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Speaker 1: to run an electric We can't have gas because it's

471
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Speaker 1: bad for your health and it's bad for the environment.

472
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Speaker 1: In electric can't come from fossil fuels. Because of the

473
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Speaker 1: damage to the environment. Right, the most reasonable solution with

474
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Speaker 1: the technology we currently have is nuclear power, but we

475
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Speaker 1: can't have that because of the fear of the risk

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Speaker 1: to the environment. So what are we doing then? What

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Speaker 1: are we doing? You can't have gas appliances, you can't

478
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Speaker 1: have electric appliances because one, we don't have the infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: In two you can't afford it anyway because everything is

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Speaker 1: so freaking expensive, and updating the infrastructure is going to

481
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Speaker 1: be expensive. And PG and E is gonna go to

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Speaker 1: the state of California and say, well, you know, we'd

483
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Speaker 1: like to update some of our tech, but we're so expensive.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to jack those rates some more. And

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Speaker 1: California's gonna go, wow, that's terrible, Okay, raise those rates

486
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Speaker 1: some more, or so cal Edison or SDG and E,

487
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Speaker 1: whomever it is. I use pgenie guys. I like to

488
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: pick on them because they're the biggest. But either way,

489
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Speaker 1: we're going to have to update our technologies and our

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Speaker 1: means of producing electric if we want everything to be electric,

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Speaker 1: and if you want everything to be electric but not

492
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Speaker 1: fossil fuel electric, you're going to have to explore some

493
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: of these other options. Nuclear power makes the most sense.

494
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Speaker 1: It's the most efficient. But there is also that risk,

495
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Speaker 1: and we know what that risk is. Chernobyl, three Mile Island.

496
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Speaker 1: We know what that risk is, but we can't we

497
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Speaker 1: are we are putting the proverbial cart before the horse

498
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Speaker 1: on this. We want people to start. I want to

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Speaker 1: say making a bunch of analogies, but you get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to I don't need to belabor this

501
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: any longer. It's painful. The other thing that's painful is

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Speaker 1: seeing all the retail crime. It pops up on the news,

503
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Speaker 1: and Fox loves to run all the different pictures of

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Speaker 1: crime happening in California just to say, look how terrible

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Speaker 1: California is. But we know that there's an issue with

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Speaker 1: retail crime. But there's good news. The Attorney General has

507
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: cracked the code. We're stopping crime in California. I will

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Speaker 1: tell you when it all comes to a screeching halt. Next,

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris Merrill in for John and Ken k I

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Speaker 1: am six forty. We're live everywhere in your iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI.

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Speaker 1: A six was reading this article in the La Times

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Speaker 1: about the plan that the Attorney General has, Rob Bonta

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Speaker 1: has to fight retail theft across the state. And it

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Speaker 1: is am I using this word correctly. It is cringe worthy.

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Speaker 1: Did say that right? I cringed, but I did kind

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Speaker 1: of an old man cringe. This isn't like somebody using

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Speaker 1: the wrong term or something. I just looked at it

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Speaker 1: and I went, ooh, you're touting that. Ooh you issued

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Speaker 1: a press release saying this is your plan E. And

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Speaker 1: I cringed. I was cringing. I thought it was cringe E.

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Speaker 1: The article talks about Bonta's plan for a new partnership

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Speaker 1: between the Justice Department and more than a dozen retailers

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Speaker 1: and online market places to crack down an organized retail crime.

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Speaker 1: Here it comes is a crackdown. You hear that. Listen,

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Speaker 1: you're part of the organized retail crime conglomerate. It's you are.

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Speaker 1: You're facing some You're facing some things now. So the

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Speaker 1: partners include Tarja, Albertson's, and Amazon, and they signed a

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Speaker 1: pledge that quote increases information sharing end quote between law

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Speaker 1: enforcement retailers that experience theft and online marketplaces where still

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Speaker 1: in merchandise can be resold. What wow? Crack down on

532
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: my Etsy. That's where I get all the good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Bonta says that organized retail crime will not be tolerated. However,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't apply to other sorts of crimes, just organized

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Speaker 1: retail crime. Organized retail crime will not be tolerated. He

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Speaker 1: does say, quote, it's not about the occasional smash and

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Speaker 1: grab at the local big box store. This is about

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Speaker 1: a multi billion dollar criminal enterprise, criminal schemes that are complex,

539
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: orchestrated and incredibly organized. So reading between the lines, Bonta says,

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Speaker 1: organized retail crime will not be tolerated. Smashing grab crime, however,

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Speaker 1: will be tolerated because it's not about the occasional smash

542
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: and grab. Who doesn't have the occasional smash and grab

543
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: roll through here and there. I mean, that's not really

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Speaker 1: a concern. It is to me, Yeah, it is now.

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00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: I know some people are doing the smash and grab,

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Speaker 1: and then they've got the getaway cars, and then they're

547
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Speaker 1: fleecing it and they're selling it on the internets or

548
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing. I get that that's the organized basically

549
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: the mafioso retail crime stuff. But I'm concerned also about

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Speaker 1: the occasional smashing grabs. That worries me too. I'm concerned

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00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: about things like shoplifting. I'm concerned about inside jobs, employees

552
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: taking crap. They're all concerns. Now, I'm glad that they

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Speaker 1: are approaching a means to try to curtail at least

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Speaker 1: one aspect of retail theft. That's good. Look, one out

555
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: of four is bad, but it's better than zero out

556
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: of four, So that's good. Okay, you're you're you're going

557
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: after the organized crime. You're not worried about smashing grabs,

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00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: you're not worried about shoplifting, you're not worried about uh

559
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Speaker 1: employees grabbing crap. So okay, of those of those, all right,

560
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: but you're doing something cool, all right, great, So what

561
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Speaker 1: is it that you're doing. You're sharing information that that's it,

562
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: sharing information. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, they signed a pledge

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Speaker 1: to increase information sharing between retailers and law enforcement. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, So so hold on, Matt, what do you

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Speaker 1: mean you're sharing You're gonna share information that that's the

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Speaker 1: big that's the big press release. Wow, that's a novel

567
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: idea that'll fix all the retail theft woes. Businesses are

568
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: going to tell other businesses when they get robbed, Wow,

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Speaker 1: you cracked the code. How else would they otherwise know

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Speaker 1: other than watching the news the agreement. According to the

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Speaker 1: La Times article, the agreement also establishes specific commitments for

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Speaker 1: the brick and mortar merchants signing the pack. Those specific

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Speaker 1: commitments include maintaining thorough records of incidents, filing police reports,

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Speaker 1: and training personnel to gather appropriate evidence. Okay, so the

575
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: big plan here to curtail organized crime is notice, when

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Speaker 1: you get robbed, write down what was taken and tell

577
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Speaker 1: the police. I don't know about you, but I'm feeling like,

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Speaker 1: whatever this task force is that was working on this,

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Speaker 1: this new partnership with the Justice Department and everything, I

580
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: feel like that was just a lot of people sitting

581
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: around saying, we got to come up with something. What

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00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: if we just write down everything that we're already doing

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Speaker 1: and call that new. Sounds like a plan to us,

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00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: What a great idea? Okay, what is it that we're

585
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: gonna do? Well, when somebody breaks in, we should notice it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I love it. I'm writing that down. And if they

587
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: take something, you should figure out what they took. I

588
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: love it. This is good. We're on a roll. Good.

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00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: What else can we do? We've got notice when people

590
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: have taken crap and notice what people have taken? Yeah, boy,

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00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do after that? I don't know

592
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: what do you think? Target? I don't know. What do

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00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: you think? Albertson's. I don't know what do you think? Amazon?

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Speaker 1: I mean we could we could call the police. W

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00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: mind blown? I love it. Okay, notice when we've been

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00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: stolen from notice what was taken? Tell police, guys. I

597
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: think this will do it. Let's give this the Attorney general.

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00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: You can hammer out a press release a lot. It

599
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: fixed it. This was not worth the paper that it

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00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: was written on. It wasn't. It absolutely is not a plan.

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Speaker 1: If your company is not already noticing what was taken,

602
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: but noticing that you've been robbed, noticing what was taken,

603
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: and telling the police, then you're a moron, absolute buffoonery

604
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: if you're not doing that. This is common sense. But

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00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: it's being released as though this is the new policy

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00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: that will change the way we approach organized crime in California.

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Speaker 1: It's not. It's not, and it's discouraging to me from

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00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: the outside looking in. When I don't want to see

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00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: retail crime anymore. This is the best they come up with.

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Speaker 1: It's discouraging. At this point, we just close all the

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00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: retail outlets. That's it.

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Speaker 3: Close them all.

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Speaker 1: You know what crime is too bad? You close it all.

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Speaker 1: Criminals have to find jobs. That's it. In armored vehicles.

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00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: There it is. Or you know what they used to

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Speaker 1: do in the old days, consider this, go backwards, go

617
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Speaker 1: back like Old West style. Remember the old general stores.

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Speaker 1: Like MA would go into the general store with the

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Speaker 1: shopping list and then give it to the clerk, and

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Speaker 1: the clerk would then go gather up all the things

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Speaker 1: from behind the counter and give it to Ma, and

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Speaker 1: then Ma would put that in her buggy and head

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Speaker 1: on home. So everything was behind the counter, shopping lists

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Speaker 1: delivered to the retailer. Retailer gathers everything up, MA pays for,

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00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 1: picks it up and leaves. Really, that's what car side

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00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: pickup is today. If you order something ahead of time

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Speaker 1: and you say, well, have it ready at two fifteen,

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00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: then you go there at two fifteen. That's basically exactly

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Speaker 1: what they did in the Old West, only now you're

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00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: just calling a head. That's what it is. This is

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Speaker 1: where We're headed where everything is in a secure facility

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Speaker 1: and you have to just go pick it up. There

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Speaker 1: will be no more browsing and you can thank stupid

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Speaker 1: criminals for that. Thanks a lot, jerks appreciate it all right.

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Speaker 1: Wildfires are a major issue in California. Duh, but don't worry.

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Speaker 1: Once again, politicians are willing to grand stand on the

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Speaker 1: issue but not actually do anything about it. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you who's next. It's Chris merrilf I AM six forty

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Speaker 3: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show.

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Speaker 1: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six

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Speaker 1: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday,

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Speaker 1: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeart Rate

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Speaker 1: your app.