WEBVTT - Catching Up with Week Three of the UC Strike 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:08.360 Hi, everyone, it's James here. Welcome to it could happen 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.360 here today. It's just me and we're talking again about 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.600 the UC strike. But the audio is not great. We 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.400 had some technical issues on my end, not not on 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:19.759 Matt's end, but we wanted to put it out in 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:21.800 one the list because we thought it was very important 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.560 episode and things of developing very rapidly at the u 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.639 C and we thought that listeners would like it. So 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.000 apologies for the poor quality of the audio. We hope 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.199 you can get through it anyway. All right, So I'm 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.159 talking today with Matthew, a literally the seven seventh to 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.960 PhD candidate in the history department. Matthew, would you like 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.560 to explain a little bit of who you are and 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.159 what you've been doing with reference to the strike in 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.600 the last three weeks and maybe before as well. Yes. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:55.600 So I studied Spanish history like you set Empire for 0:00:55.720 --> 0:01:02.240 seven years, US in Spain for two years during the 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.560 COVID pandemic. So there was sort of great in my 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:11.199 university of participation between my mind qual of buying exams 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.440 for the three years I was there, um and then 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:15.880 I left and I came back and I go on 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.040 the campus was was quite different both from COVID and 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.560 from the increasingly economic hardships UM. So in the last 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:28.800 few year UH we involved in UM targeting UM trying 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.600 to buy a new contract UM as I'm sure all 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:36.000 your listeners are aware by this point, UH riting on 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.800 for more than a year, in eighteen months in some 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.840 cases without a successful resolution, and with all I know 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.080 about bare labor practices on behalf of the UC administration 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.920 I saw in November fifteen, I believe was today we 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:55.520 walked out on strength. I had signed up several months 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.640 earlier to be a strike captain for the History Department 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.360 U s assist too by a sort of the informable 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:06.440 committee of five of the younger equals sort of due 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.679 to the pandemic of a lot of my colleagues and 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.799 my code board UM and we're not able to go 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.160 do their research. So they're generally out of the country 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.000 right now doing their field research. So we have a 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.480 really great department of primarily first through third years that 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.400 are participating UM and and kind of meeting the younger 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.200 I also ad signed up to be a ticket UH, 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.799 a ticket leader UM and boiled down to But I've 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:40.760 been really occupying myself and saying has been uh being 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.040 a food captain. So we've been cooking for about a 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:48.000 hundred fifty people at our regul location on campus. Um, 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:52.800 we've been getting lots of great donations um food and 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.240 and fashion even reinvesting that to feed the hungry picketers 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.880 and strate locations. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I think that's 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:05.160 really nice to to bring up. Actually, because that we 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.360 were speaking about before the core right. So many people 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.320 are familiar with and supportive of the concept of unions 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.560 and unionization and workers right, but I think relatively few 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.480 people have actually been on strike and seeing what it 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.960 takes to organize and all the little things you have 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.480 to take care of. And so did you just step 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.880 into that food captain role like kind of ad hoc Yeah, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:27.720 more or less. Night I showed up on the first 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.720 day and I realized we had been marching around and 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:35.800 shouting ourselves for the rotary story night, and I bought 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.400 a bunch of water, and that's sort of snowballed into cooking. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.920 Now we have about eight or night. UM, we rotate 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.160 shifts and fil planning. We actually used the History of 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:53.720 Parking graduate lounge. But yeah, you know that statut our 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:59.360 experience of ticketting is for all the organization and signing 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.480 up for different asks that need to be more hand 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.240 hitting the ground and seeing what uh what has needed 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:11.120 to sustain that a level as has been a journey, Yeah, 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:12.360 I bet, but it seems to have been a lot 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:16.599 to be a successful one. Like everyone is out energetic. Um, 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.720 there have been some really impressive actions actually, like I 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:24.000 don't know if you're part of the village drive shut down, 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:25.520 I know what you want to call that yesterday, but 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.200 did you take part in that? No? I was, I 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.800 was okay, yeah, yeah, the people who were amazing Yeah yeah. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.039 We actually found a faculty spy at the day before 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.599 who went in and asked what time that was? One game? 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:45.520 Sort of uh, our window. There's been a lot of 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:51.160 direct action and it's been very successful the moral perspective 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.280 and conversational and I'm sure you're a where we uh 0:04:55.680 --> 0:05:00.960 approached Chancellor Balslaw yesterday the day before and even though 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.719 obviously we didn't get a promise from him that he 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:08.160 would raise our wages or President Drake to raise our wages, Uh, 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.320 it was you know, very energizing for people who have 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.640 you been been not able to show up because things 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:20.360 give me great or involved between their people. The direct 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.560 nation is one of our strong suits at this point. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.120 yeah it is. It is wonderful to see actually, like 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.479 so many of us spent so much of our lives 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.479 like studying workers movements and unionization and strikes, and it's 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.560 cool to see people walking to talk out a little bit, 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.719 also very import What are the really great things about 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:44.600 going on strength with a bunch of the smartest minds 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.440 in practically every field to get you know, colmatients that 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.640 are are working on emails and yers and and such. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:06:05.160 You've got philosophy, who are you know best? You know 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:11.560 quoting working class movements of the past of shape our strategy. Yeah, 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.440 it's it's a cool thing to see. I remember a 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.440 long time ago in like and when last time we 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.000 were on strike, and yeah, it was very cool. One 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.080 of the professors I was working with with a lit 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.560 professor and she came and read some stuff and then 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.520 you know, made people listen to me talking about the 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.560 ruty for a while, and I enjoyed myself, even if 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.920 maybe they didn't. So yeah, I want to talk a 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.679 little bit as well about like you're in week three 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.200 now and you said, like you've been maintaining the energy 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.000 and you're feeding people, which is great. How has obviously, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.760 like strikes come with an element of economic hardship and 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.040 that that's somewhat offset by union strike funds, but it's 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.560 given the economic procarity of people who are graduate students anyway, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.680 it could be really tough. So how has that been 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.479 with not quite a descent first yet? Which would that 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.080 be the first miss paycheck? If people are going to 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:09.440 not get paid, yes, uh we are. Most of us 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.640 could vince that the you see will not have gotten 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.080 their their house in order by this point. We were 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.920 working until November fifteen, so at least you get kind 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.840 to have a month to day. But because there's no 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.960 real way for you see to determine exactly which workers 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.520 are withholding labor and exactly which workers runs right, it 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:36.400 seems like the majority of workers will be receiving their 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.840 first that there there novem pay check UM tomorrow. UH. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:46.240 We have also been received the strikerssistant sprom communion w UM. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.920 We're all aware that if we do receive our p 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.080 check from the university, we will have to return that 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:55.400 money so that we feel future uh strike assistance. Um, 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.160 and we're very large okay with that, Uh you know that, 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.440 and so iound out between that actually meek before it 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:07.200 makes me ay, they double the strict existence holiday. Okay. 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.280 So for this month, one way or another, UM, we 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.000 are all very hopeful that will be able to make 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.880 ends meet. Uh. Next month is is you know, if 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.560 the strike does continue, um, sort of which that will 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.520 have to cross. I've spoken to a lot of words 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:28.440 in the intibute parts who are very concerned about about this, 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.840 ahx uh, particularly also in the program that I teach 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:37.240 for the Making of the Modern World, which recruits heavily 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.480 from the history of party non student t a s 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.960 and are not covered by the union and are not 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.079 uh I whish forts strict fully their labored solidarity, but 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.840 they're very concerned that uh you know, they're primarily working 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.640 as their full time job. Yeah, that's tough. Actually, I've 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.439 tinned that program to you both as a student and 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.319 a non student, and it's a good program, but it 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.360 doesn't pay a to and and you don't save a 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.760 lot of money living in southern California, so it could 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:15.679 be tough. Is there a way to contribute? People want 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.600 to contribute to those people who are withholding labor and solidarity. Yes, 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.480 so we are. There is a U a W strike 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:31.360 hardship funds have the yeah, yeah, I'll including the notes people. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.520 And there's also av mode that we're echecting donations for 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:43.520 which the natural that's on the UCS embassy moment and 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.000 just overwhelmed with good will with the sizes. Yeah, but 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.160 you know, depending on how want to strike those is 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:53.840 would definitely do something like large partect support anything I 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.760 think that the public of large and be doing is 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:04.920 concerning the compression on the US too. Uh yeah, and yeah, 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.439 I hope they continue to do so. And let's talk 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.400 a little bit about everyone we've talked to so far 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.200 has been a science or engineering person, and obviously the 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.199 experience is a little different when you're a historian or 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.719 rupt so humanities person because you you don't go to 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.160 a lab, right you don't. Your research is a bit 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.400 different and your work is a bit different. So can 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.080 you explain a little bit about the work the work 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.480 that one does as a history grad student, that the 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.959 labor that one does for the university, and and that 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.880 what the differences in what it's like withholding that labor 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.120 the differences is that we can be are the vast 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:42.600 majority of us that our industry department are A S S. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.080 We are t A S. And of the majority of 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.800 US teach for either the writing programs for for thestory department. UM. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.120 So when we look at what we can contribute to 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.320 the strike, we are looking at the withholding only a grade, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.640 the type of grading that cannot be replaced. Uh. The 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.640 course I'm between or now there's five or six E 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.160 A S. There's six hundred and fifty students. I'm responsible 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.120 for sixty of those PRIs. Each of those students has 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:17.000 a weekly discussion, UH, analysm cious six words. They have 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.400 a content analysis papers which there's now two of them 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.640 are missing. Those are things that can that cannot be 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.719 reverted to choice into writing. It's not a formula. It's 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:36.240 not something that be easily uh placed. The are aware 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.400 that there has been some tension in terms of strategic 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:43.320 planning between the A S S and and S are 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:48.000 using in the STEM fields. UH That, on the one hand, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.120 in their in their teaching duties, UM, they are very 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.319 great that their professors will be able to co opt 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.600 the teaching process UM by made the exams will choice 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.199 or or something else, and I'm not sure how that 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.720 would work. I know that that's just not really possible 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.200 be uh in humanities UM and the other the issue 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.520 which can I can't really speak to, but I'm sure 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:14.040 your other contributors have explained this is we don't work 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.680 in labs. Are researching is a much more long term 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:23.400 We primarily that research either in uh AN absentia during 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:28.000 this warrior with external fellowships or during the summer, whereas 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.400 SR used and to be working in their labs more 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.319 or less constantly. I've heard it said that one of 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.400 the reasons that SR use are RUDD to be less 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:42.640 uh committed to a long term strike is because missing 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.480 two weeks in a lab since that back price six 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:50.000 months in their career, or for the mass majority of 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.599 humanities uh A, s C S and I talked to, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:59.320 two weeks is is very to be picked up here 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.319 reading a book in year spare time, and it's not 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.439 something that we need to be in with buns and 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:09.720 burners and to animals. So there seems to be uh 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:19.160 A material conditions divide. I start using sus on one, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.360 unanity spam and unanities fada, right, yeah, yeah, there are 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.680 definitely like two week periods I spent on my research 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.360 and stuff that I never used in any of my 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.920 final projects. We could trying to get an archive to 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:34.800 open in Spain can often take that long. So I 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.959 think one thing I'd like to talk about is like 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.760 the as it stands now, what you're hearing from the 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.599 bargaining team and how that's being received. Like I know, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.439 there are a lot of different demands, a lot of 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.680 different things that brought people to strike, right the access 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.599 needs to COLA, the NFL labor practices, etcetera, etcetera. So 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.840 what are you hearing on the picket line and how 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.400 is it being received? So the news for the first 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.360 week was on day for the s r U margating 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:09.040 team of week to accept a seven percent yearly increase 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.199 cerviuss he adjustment that would be paid, and I believed 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:18.199 to the median uh rent increase in I think that 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.360 the most expensive cities to help work WHI mean San 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.920 Diego and serment system Um. And to be honest, the 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.360 strike was sold to the vast majority of of the 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.760 uh N radicalized on fund educated rank and file as 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:38.480 being about the fifty four thousand days paying as well 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.280 as the access needs as well as uh you know, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.960 uh hearing the timber employment for some units, um and 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:50.120 and various different things. But there was a lot of 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.920 consternation in on day four, and I think a lot 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.120 of us became very radicalized, um when we realized that 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:02.360 not only at the uh SRU bargaining team apparently made 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.560 a concession on day four of what was what was 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.920 supposed to be a very powerful strike. Um. But that 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:15.000 concession didn't really resolve the issue of skyrocketing inflation and 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.440 rent process and um, you know, different campuses weighing in 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.720 the saying beyond Santa Cruz rent went up something like 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:27.760 sixty percent in the last year. Seven black increase doesn't 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.040 help us at all. Like the University of California, the 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.640 largest employee and the largest landlord in the state of California, 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.960 is raising you know, their wages by a black rate, 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:44.200 and then all the landlords in that area will continue 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:48.600 to raise time of a rent even higher. UM. So 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.680 a lot of us who were really I wasn't around 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.960 for the two thousand and twenty Cola Wildcat strike. Um. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:16:00.120 But in the process of this consternation of the are 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:05.280 UBT giving off this uh whole out that spakes to 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.040 the media e rent um. A lot of us we 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.600 think very UM I also a disillusioned but very radicalized 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:17.600 and UM start looking into it more uh hu identities. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.120 I could say that our pig DeLine where we have 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.840 a philosophy, literature, UH, history, UM, a number of other 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.520 related departments blots very militant. Uh. That was the first 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:35.680 kind of moment of uh consciousness of awareness, I think 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:40.320 for a lot of us UM and over the last 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.480 week is the last two weeks is I'm kind of 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:52.480 internal um struggle over over tactics and strategy, whether it's 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.880 feasonable to expect that we can hold out for our 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.880 aimed the bargaining teams on our campus at least, and 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:06.920 there are exceptions, U had generally have generally advanced a 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.879 sort of moderate line that yeah, been before. A thousand 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.760 is high in the sky is great to me. But 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.280 you know, the way the bargaining works is is you 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.040 walk or something high and you can get something low. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.639 I think we're all, you know, willing to accept that 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.040 that is how bargaining works. But we have, at least 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.960 in my big of mine, at least in the humanity 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.680 has been very uncerted by the tactical decisions to make 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:35.320 certain possessions at certain stages without letting the full power 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.480 of our strike take hold, especially the reholding of grains 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.400 which is uting up this week an test week. Um. 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.480 Another thing which you know most of us have not 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.439 been on the bargaining team and a lot of us 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.040 are just kind of checking in, uh to this this 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.359 very long term process. Pretty late the game. We watched 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:02.440 these bargaining processions and see ceres operating definitely does not 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.720 seem like the bargaining strategy of operating possession or to 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:11.960 get something else there is working at all. Um. The 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.760 I think made some compromises on accessibility needs up in 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:20.080 the hopes that would provoke the u SEE to offer 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:24.639 a compresensivey no package last time we gain included the 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.000 one white mi percent increase for the s R U 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.920 S proposal and nothing for the A S C S wo. Wow. Yeah, 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.400 that's that's a that's you're still a long way apart then, 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.080 so in both in both the grouple of Pola on 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.879 day four bargaining, I think there's real concerned that the 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:47.640 bargaining team is getting the short edit state. Yeah, that's 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.600 tough if people don't remember from the last time. By 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.399 the way, color is the cost of living adjustment that 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:57.159 was the initial cause of thelcats. Right, Yes, COLA is 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:02.080 possibility adjustment. And there is a lot of uh, really 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:06.840 interesting discourse from out kind of what that people are changing. 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:11.639 No Holler contracts data mine COLA as as meaning specifically 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:17.200 a yearly percentage increase that is tied to expedient rent 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:23.879 exmedi man whereas Barton team has had argued that a 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:30.600 seven percent yearly increase qualify as form right, but maybe 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.280 less in inflation given and certainly less in rent given 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:35.760 what rent has done in the last couple of years. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.880 And these universities are in very desirable places to live 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.879 with very high rents. They don't offer subsidut or they 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.520 didn't offer significantly subsidized housing, especially to grad students. Often 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.520 assess you not to all grad students, and so yeah, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.880 it becomes very difficult to live even on what would 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:57.000 seem like a decent wage, and unless you want to 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.680 commute a long way something like nine we're and I 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:06.639 another story, and political scientists that the vast majority of 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.360 graduate students who are bold said that they were men 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.760 burned that they persigned or how they're anyone to meant 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:19.120 most people not too against more like seventy yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.480 And you can find yourself in that situation working for 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.000 the university and with the university also as your landlord, 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.800 and you're paying the senses, which you know it has 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.720 control over both ends, and it's not doing much to 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:43.080 help anyone. Let's talk about withholding grades because that's coming up, right, 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.359 and that's kind of the next level of escalation I suppose, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.240 or like the next hurdle um that's coming up. So 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.040 what do is withholding grades look like? Can and can 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.560 you explain why there's sort of a pedagogical reason that 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.600 people would be obviously like worried about doing that, all right, 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:04.320 so it's this is sort of barrier and what it 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.200 would do to the university and what it would do 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:11.800 to your students as well. Yes, so fundamentally, the withholding 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.720 grades is the withholding of the alternate finishing product of 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.720 our labor um. We can talk about pedagogy and ideology 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.840 and that, you know, high the Ivory Tower rush as 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:25.640 we want, but at the end of the day, when 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:31.320 when uh undergraduate at the University of California, pays their fruition, 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.159 they expect to get grades and transcripts in return. And 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:39.720 the reputation that you see that makes it one of 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:44.719 the premier plant institutions in the world is that grading 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.840 is accredited to be reflective of very high quality and 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:52.800 of education. We are saying that we are not providing 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:58.320 that ultimate record, um, which any end is is you know, 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:03.159 uh what a student with uh demonstrate if they were 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.560 applying to graduate school. Uh, if they were um B 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:12.719 D internship, really anything that uh reflax their college experience, 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:17.800 uh would be hide that great. We are also saying that, 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.159 you know, in addition to that very brutal kind of 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:28.640 explicit uh, the result uh, the pedagogy itself is also 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.400 a suffer that you know, students are here to learn 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.760 and and they might complaining it individual class, but by 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.080 largely you get a lot from their education. And if 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:42.720 they're not being actively taught by their teaching assistance, UM, 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.159 they're suffering. In the MMW program that you and I 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:52.800 both up for. The lectures are but they're very you know, 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.119 it's it's a very large lecture hall. It's kind of 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:58.840 a general just be a vast majority of instruction both 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:03.480 in the historical cultural UH content of the person as 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:08.560 well as in the UH the writing UH aspect, which 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:11.240 is the point of the program to deploy a skilled 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:15.680 analytical academic writers. UM, and they are not getting that 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.280 at all. That's something that's a burden that is carried 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.040 on under present by the t A s and by 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:25.919 holding that and UH, it prevents the students from receiving 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:32.040 equality education essentially. So you're the're hoping that, particularly in 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:36.040 the humanities where our labory is completely irreplaceable, UM, that 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.600 will pressure of the university. Now we have been hearing 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:44.480 that UM. Some universities have been given laterally extending the 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.840 deadline for final bids. I believe that UH either Riverside 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.560 or Irvine and just a message about this kind of 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:55.399 extended January. There's a lot of sort of confusion about 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.880 what that would entail it. You know, the strike is over, 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:06.360 we all go back. We then have to facto. UM. 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:11.399 It seems like some faculty have either in solidarity or 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:18.200 in UH desperation, tided to to final exam change the 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:22.920 format of those exams. UM. We are I think that 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:27.840 route the most afraid that the university will UH grant 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:33.439 some sort of or it doesn't how everybody gets passd uh. 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:39.960 If it would, it would theory weaken the union's power, 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:46.560 but it would also weaken the universities to required those 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:52.080 rates to uh progress in their college education in their life. 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.439 It would be a huge low for them to receive 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:59.320 not a letter grade. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, that would 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.480 be a massive step for the university to take in 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:05.080 undermining their own status and the well being of their students. 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.439 Right Like if you have a required class or required 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.800 grade in a certain class to progress to graduate school 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:13.240 or to breas to a vocational degree, then um, yeah, 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.600 that that would make it. They could have long term 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:19.800 implications for those students, right yeah, yeah, that would be 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.200 a big step for them. So will I suppose Yeah, 0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:24.320 that's interesting if they extend it, what are you are 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:26.879 required to go back and redo? That's a huge amount 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.760 of labor that you would then be doing in a 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:34.119 very compact amount of time to grade three MW assignments 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:38.080 is an endurance challenge grade to normally due in mid December? 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.159 Is that still the case UCSD? Right now? This is 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.320 this is weekend. Yeah, the clock is taking So how 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.480 does the how does this strike look if you go 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:48.480 past week ten right if you go, not just in 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:51.080 terms of withholding grades, but obviously campus is very different 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:56.560 when the undergrads aren't there. They don't think really we 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.159 have discussions about whether or not Ward did it for 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:04.679 the long we are I think at the moment hedging 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:08.680 our bets on the next two weeks being in some 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:15.359