1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's James here. Welcome to it could happen 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: here today. It's just me and we're talking again about 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: the UC strike. But the audio is not great. We 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: had some technical issues on my end, not not on 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: Matt's end, but we wanted to put it out in 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: one the list because we thought it was very important 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: episode and things of developing very rapidly at the u 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: C and we thought that listeners would like it. So 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: apologies for the poor quality of the audio. We hope 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: you can get through it anyway. All right, So I'm 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: talking today with Matthew, a literally the seven seventh to 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: PhD candidate in the history department. Matthew, would you like 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: to explain a little bit of who you are and 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: what you've been doing with reference to the strike in 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: the last three weeks and maybe before as well. Yes. 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: So I studied Spanish history like you set Empire for 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: seven years, US in Spain for two years during the 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: COVID pandemic. So there was sort of great in my 19 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: university of participation between my mind qual of buying exams 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: for the three years I was there, um and then 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: I left and I came back and I go on 22 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: the campus was was quite different both from COVID and 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: from the increasingly economic hardships UM. So in the last 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: few year UH we involved in UM targeting UM trying 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: to buy a new contract UM as I'm sure all 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: your listeners are aware by this point, UH riting on 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: for more than a year, in eighteen months in some 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: cases without a successful resolution, and with all I know 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: about bare labor practices on behalf of the UC administration 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: I saw in November fifteen, I believe was today we 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: walked out on strength. I had signed up several months 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: earlier to be a strike captain for the History Department 33 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: U s assist too by a sort of the informable 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: committee of five of the younger equals sort of due 35 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: to the pandemic of a lot of my colleagues and 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: my code board UM and we're not able to go 37 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: do their research. So they're generally out of the country 38 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: right now doing their field research. So we have a 39 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: really great department of primarily first through third years that 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: are participating UM and and kind of meeting the younger 41 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: I also ad signed up to be a ticket UH, 42 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: a ticket leader UM and boiled down to But I've 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: been really occupying myself and saying has been uh being 44 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: a food captain. So we've been cooking for about a 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: hundred fifty people at our regul location on campus. Um, 46 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: we've been getting lots of great donations um food and 47 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: and fashion even reinvesting that to feed the hungry picketers 48 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: and strate locations. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I think that's 49 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: really nice to to bring up. Actually, because that we 50 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: were speaking about before the core right. So many people 51 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: are familiar with and supportive of the concept of unions 52 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: and unionization and workers right, but I think relatively few 53 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: people have actually been on strike and seeing what it 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: takes to organize and all the little things you have 55 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: to take care of. And so did you just step 56 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: into that food captain role like kind of ad hoc Yeah, 57 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: more or less. Night I showed up on the first 58 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: day and I realized we had been marching around and 59 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: shouting ourselves for the rotary story night, and I bought 60 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of water, and that's sort of snowballed into cooking. 61 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: Now we have about eight or night. UM, we rotate 62 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: shifts and fil planning. We actually used the History of 63 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: Parking graduate lounge. But yeah, you know that statut our 64 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: experience of ticketting is for all the organization and signing 65 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: up for different asks that need to be more hand 66 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: hitting the ground and seeing what uh what has needed 67 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: to sustain that a level as has been a journey, Yeah, 68 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: I bet, but it seems to have been a lot 69 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: to be a successful one. Like everyone is out energetic. Um, 70 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: there have been some really impressive actions actually, like I 71 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: don't know if you're part of the village drive shut down, 72 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: I know what you want to call that yesterday, but 73 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: did you take part in that? No? I was, I 74 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: was okay, yeah, yeah, the people who were amazing Yeah yeah. 75 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: We actually found a faculty spy at the day before 76 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: who went in and asked what time that was? One game? 77 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: Sort of uh, our window. There's been a lot of 78 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: direct action and it's been very successful the moral perspective 79 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: and conversational and I'm sure you're a where we uh 80 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: approached Chancellor Balslaw yesterday the day before and even though 81 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: obviously we didn't get a promise from him that he 82 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: would raise our wages or President Drake to raise our wages, Uh, 83 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: it was you know, very energizing for people who have 84 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: you been been not able to show up because things 85 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: give me great or involved between their people. The direct 86 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: nation is one of our strong suits at this point. Yeah, yeah, 87 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: yeah it is. It is wonderful to see actually, like 88 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: so many of us spent so much of our lives 89 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: like studying workers movements and unionization and strikes, and it's 90 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: cool to see people walking to talk out a little bit, 91 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: also very import What are the really great things about 92 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: going on strength with a bunch of the smartest minds 93 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: in practically every field to get you know, colmatients that 94 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: are are working on emails and yers and and such. 95 00:05:53,800 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: You've got philosophy, who are you know best? You know 96 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: quoting working class movements of the past of shape our strategy. Yeah, 97 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: it's it's a cool thing to see. I remember a 98 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: long time ago in like and when last time we 99 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: were on strike, and yeah, it was very cool. One 100 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: of the professors I was working with with a lit 101 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: professor and she came and read some stuff and then 102 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, made people listen to me talking about the 103 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: ruty for a while, and I enjoyed myself, even if 104 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't. So yeah, I want to talk a 105 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: little bit as well about like you're in week three 106 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: now and you said, like you've been maintaining the energy 107 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: and you're feeding people, which is great. How has obviously, 108 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: like strikes come with an element of economic hardship and 109 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: that that's somewhat offset by union strike funds, but it's 110 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: given the economic procarity of people who are graduate students anyway, 111 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: it could be really tough. So how has that been 112 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: with not quite a descent first yet? Which would that 113 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: be the first miss paycheck? If people are going to 114 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: not get paid, yes, uh we are. Most of us 115 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: could vince that the you see will not have gotten 116 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: their their house in order by this point. We were 117 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: working until November fifteen, so at least you get kind 118 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: to have a month to day. But because there's no 119 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: real way for you see to determine exactly which workers 120 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: are withholding labor and exactly which workers runs right, it 121 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: seems like the majority of workers will be receiving their 122 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: first that there there novem pay check UM tomorrow. UH. 123 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: We have also been received the strikerssistant sprom communion w UM. 124 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: We're all aware that if we do receive our p 125 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: check from the university, we will have to return that 126 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: money so that we feel future uh strike assistance. Um, 127 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: and we're very large okay with that, Uh you know that, 128 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: and so iound out between that actually meek before it 129 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: makes me ay, they double the strict existence holiday. Okay. 130 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: So for this month, one way or another, UM, we 131 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: are all very hopeful that will be able to make 132 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: ends meet. Uh. Next month is is you know, if 133 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: the strike does continue, um, sort of which that will 134 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: have to cross. I've spoken to a lot of words 135 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: in the intibute parts who are very concerned about about this, 136 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: ahx uh, particularly also in the program that I teach 137 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: for the Making of the Modern World, which recruits heavily 138 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: from the history of party non student t a s 139 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: and are not covered by the union and are not 140 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: uh I whish forts strict fully their labored solidarity, but 141 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: they're very concerned that uh you know, they're primarily working 142 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: as their full time job. Yeah, that's tough. Actually, I've 143 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: tinned that program to you both as a student and 144 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: a non student, and it's a good program, but it 145 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: doesn't pay a to and and you don't save a 146 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: lot of money living in southern California, so it could 147 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: be tough. Is there a way to contribute? People want 148 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: to contribute to those people who are withholding labor and solidarity. Yes, 149 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: so we are. There is a U a W strike 150 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: hardship funds have the yeah, yeah, I'll including the notes people. 151 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: And there's also av mode that we're echecting donations for 152 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: which the natural that's on the UCS embassy moment and 153 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: just overwhelmed with good will with the sizes. Yeah, but 154 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, depending on how want to strike those is 155 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: would definitely do something like large partect support anything I 156 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: think that the public of large and be doing is 157 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: concerning the compression on the US too. Uh yeah, and yeah, 158 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: I hope they continue to do so. And let's talk 159 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: a little bit about everyone we've talked to so far 160 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: has been a science or engineering person, and obviously the 161 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: experience is a little different when you're a historian or 162 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: rupt so humanities person because you you don't go to 163 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: a lab, right you don't. Your research is a bit 164 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: different and your work is a bit different. So can 165 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: you explain a little bit about the work the work 166 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: that one does as a history grad student, that the 167 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: labor that one does for the university, and and that 168 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: what the differences in what it's like withholding that labor 169 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: the differences is that we can be are the vast 170 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: majority of us that our industry department are A S S. 171 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: We are t A S. And of the majority of 172 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: US teach for either the writing programs for for thestory department. UM. 173 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: So when we look at what we can contribute to 174 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: the strike, we are looking at the withholding only a grade, 175 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: the type of grading that cannot be replaced. Uh. The 176 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: course I'm between or now there's five or six E 177 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: A S. There's six hundred and fifty students. I'm responsible 178 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: for sixty of those PRIs. Each of those students has 179 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: a weekly discussion, UH, analysm cious six words. They have 180 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: a content analysis papers which there's now two of them 181 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: are missing. Those are things that can that cannot be 182 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: reverted to choice into writing. It's not a formula. It's 183 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: not something that be easily uh placed. The are aware 184 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: that there has been some tension in terms of strategic 185 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: planning between the A S S and and S are 186 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: using in the STEM fields. UH That, on the one hand, 187 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: in their in their teaching duties, UM, they are very 188 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: great that their professors will be able to co opt 189 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: the teaching process UM by made the exams will choice 190 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: or or something else, and I'm not sure how that 191 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: would work. I know that that's just not really possible 192 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: be uh in humanities UM and the other the issue 193 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: which can I can't really speak to, but I'm sure 194 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: your other contributors have explained this is we don't work 195 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: in labs. Are researching is a much more long term 196 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: We primarily that research either in uh AN absentia during 197 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: this warrior with external fellowships or during the summer, whereas 198 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: SR used and to be working in their labs more 199 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: or less constantly. I've heard it said that one of 200 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: the reasons that SR use are RUDD to be less 201 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: uh committed to a long term strike is because missing 202 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: two weeks in a lab since that back price six 203 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: months in their career, or for the mass majority of 204 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 1: humanities uh A, s C S and I talked to, 205 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: two weeks is is very to be picked up here 206 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: reading a book in year spare time, and it's not 207 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: something that we need to be in with buns and 208 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: burners and to animals. So there seems to be uh 209 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: A material conditions divide. I start using sus on one, 210 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: unanity spam and unanities fada, right, yeah, yeah, there are 211 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: definitely like two week periods I spent on my research 212 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: and stuff that I never used in any of my 213 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: final projects. We could trying to get an archive to 214 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: open in Spain can often take that long. So I 215 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: think one thing I'd like to talk about is like 216 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: the as it stands now, what you're hearing from the 217 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,599 Speaker 1: bargaining team and how that's being received. Like I know, 218 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: there are a lot of different demands, a lot of 219 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: different things that brought people to strike, right the access 220 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 1: needs to COLA, the NFL labor practices, etcetera, etcetera. So 221 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: what are you hearing on the picket line and how 222 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: is it being received? So the news for the first 223 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: week was on day for the s r U margating 224 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: team of week to accept a seven percent yearly increase 225 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: cerviuss he adjustment that would be paid, and I believed 226 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: to the median uh rent increase in I think that 227 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: the most expensive cities to help work WHI mean San 228 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: Diego and serment system Um. And to be honest, the 229 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: strike was sold to the vast majority of of the 230 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: uh N radicalized on fund educated rank and file as 231 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: being about the fifty four thousand days paying as well 232 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: as the access needs as well as uh you know, 233 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: uh hearing the timber employment for some units, um and 234 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: and various different things. But there was a lot of 235 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: consternation in on day four, and I think a lot 236 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: of us became very radicalized, um when we realized that 237 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: not only at the uh SRU bargaining team apparently made 238 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: a concession on day four of what was what was 239 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: supposed to be a very powerful strike. Um. But that 240 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: concession didn't really resolve the issue of skyrocketing inflation and 241 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: rent process and um, you know, different campuses weighing in 242 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: the saying beyond Santa Cruz rent went up something like 243 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: sixty percent in the last year. Seven black increase doesn't 244 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: help us at all. Like the University of California, the 245 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: largest employee and the largest landlord in the state of California, 246 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: is raising you know, their wages by a black rate, 247 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: and then all the landlords in that area will continue 248 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: to raise time of a rent even higher. UM. So 249 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: a lot of us who were really I wasn't around 250 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: for the two thousand and twenty Cola Wildcat strike. Um. 251 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: But in the process of this consternation of the are 252 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: UBT giving off this uh whole out that spakes to 253 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: the media e rent um. A lot of us we 254 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: think very UM I also a disillusioned but very radicalized 255 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: and UM start looking into it more uh hu identities. 256 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: I could say that our pig DeLine where we have 257 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: a philosophy, literature, UH, history, UM, a number of other 258 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: related departments blots very militant. Uh. That was the first 259 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: kind of moment of uh consciousness of awareness, I think 260 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: for a lot of us UM and over the last 261 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: week is the last two weeks is I'm kind of 262 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: internal um struggle over over tactics and strategy, whether it's 263 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: feasonable to expect that we can hold out for our 264 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: aimed the bargaining teams on our campus at least, and 265 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: there are exceptions, U had generally have generally advanced a 266 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: sort of moderate line that yeah, been before. A thousand 267 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: is high in the sky is great to me. But 268 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, the way the bargaining works is is you 269 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: walk or something high and you can get something low. 270 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: I think we're all, you know, willing to accept that 271 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: that is how bargaining works. But we have, at least 272 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: in my big of mine, at least in the humanity 273 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: has been very uncerted by the tactical decisions to make 274 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: certain possessions at certain stages without letting the full power 275 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: of our strike take hold, especially the reholding of grains 276 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: which is uting up this week an test week. Um. 277 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: Another thing which you know most of us have not 278 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: been on the bargaining team and a lot of us 279 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: are just kind of checking in, uh to this this 280 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: very long term process. Pretty late the game. We watched 281 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: these bargaining processions and see ceres operating definitely does not 282 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: seem like the bargaining strategy of operating possession or to 283 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: get something else there is working at all. Um. The 284 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: I think made some compromises on accessibility needs up in 285 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: the hopes that would provoke the u SEE to offer 286 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: a compresensivey no package last time we gain included the 287 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: one white mi percent increase for the s R U 288 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: S proposal and nothing for the A S C S wo. Wow. Yeah, 289 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: that's that's a that's you're still a long way apart then, 290 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: so in both in both the grouple of Pola on 291 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: day four bargaining, I think there's real concerned that the 292 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: bargaining team is getting the short edit state. Yeah, that's 293 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: tough if people don't remember from the last time. By 294 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: the way, color is the cost of living adjustment that 295 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: was the initial cause of thelcats. Right, Yes, COLA is 296 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: possibility adjustment. And there is a lot of uh, really 297 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: interesting discourse from out kind of what that people are changing. 298 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: No Holler contracts data mine COLA as as meaning specifically 299 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: a yearly percentage increase that is tied to expedient rent 300 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: exmedi man whereas Barton team has had argued that a 301 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: seven percent yearly increase qualify as form right, but maybe 302 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: less in inflation given and certainly less in rent given 303 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: what rent has done in the last couple of years. 304 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: And these universities are in very desirable places to live 305 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: with very high rents. They don't offer subsidut or they 306 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: didn't offer significantly subsidized housing, especially to grad students. Often 307 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: assess you not to all grad students, and so yeah, 308 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: it becomes very difficult to live even on what would 309 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: seem like a decent wage, and unless you want to 310 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: commute a long way something like nine we're and I 311 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: another story, and political scientists that the vast majority of 312 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: graduate students who are bold said that they were men 313 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: burned that they persigned or how they're anyone to meant 314 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: most people not too against more like seventy yeah, yeah, yeah, 315 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: And you can find yourself in that situation working for 316 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: the university and with the university also as your landlord, 317 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: and you're paying the senses, which you know it has 318 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: control over both ends, and it's not doing much to 319 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: help anyone. Let's talk about withholding grades because that's coming up, right, 320 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: and that's kind of the next level of escalation I suppose, 321 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: or like the next hurdle um that's coming up. So 322 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: what do is withholding grades look like? Can and can 323 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: you explain why there's sort of a pedagogical reason that 324 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: people would be obviously like worried about doing that, all right, 325 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: so it's this is sort of barrier and what it 326 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: would do to the university and what it would do 327 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: to your students as well. Yes, so fundamentally, the withholding 328 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: grades is the withholding of the alternate finishing product of 329 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: our labor um. We can talk about pedagogy and ideology 330 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: and that, you know, high the Ivory Tower rush as 331 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: we want, but at the end of the day, when 332 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: when uh undergraduate at the University of California, pays their fruition, 333 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: they expect to get grades and transcripts in return. And 334 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: the reputation that you see that makes it one of 335 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: the premier plant institutions in the world is that grading 336 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: is accredited to be reflective of very high quality and 337 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: of education. We are saying that we are not providing 338 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: that ultimate record, um, which any end is is you know, 339 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: uh what a student with uh demonstrate if they were 340 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: applying to graduate school. Uh, if they were um B 341 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: D internship, really anything that uh reflax their college experience, 342 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: uh would be hide that great. We are also saying that, 343 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: you know, in addition to that very brutal kind of 344 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: explicit uh, the result uh, the pedagogy itself is also 345 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: a suffer that you know, students are here to learn 346 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: and and they might complaining it individual class, but by 347 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: largely you get a lot from their education. And if 348 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: they're not being actively taught by their teaching assistance, UM, 349 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: they're suffering. In the MMW program that you and I 350 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: both up for. The lectures are but they're very you know, 351 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: it's it's a very large lecture hall. It's kind of 352 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: a general just be a vast majority of instruction both 353 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: in the historical cultural UH content of the person as 354 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: well as in the UH the writing UH aspect, which 355 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: is the point of the program to deploy a skilled 356 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: analytical academic writers. UM, and they are not getting that 357 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: at all. That's something that's a burden that is carried 358 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: on under present by the t A s and by 359 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: holding that and UH, it prevents the students from receiving 360 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: equality education essentially. So you're the're hoping that, particularly in 361 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: the humanities where our labory is completely irreplaceable, UM, that 362 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: will pressure of the university. Now we have been hearing 363 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: that UM. Some universities have been given laterally extending the 364 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: deadline for final bids. I believe that UH either Riverside 365 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: or Irvine and just a message about this kind of 366 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: extended January. There's a lot of sort of confusion about 367 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: what that would entail it. You know, the strike is over, 368 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: we all go back. We then have to facto. UM. 369 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: It seems like some faculty have either in solidarity or 370 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: in UH desperation, tided to to final exam change the 371 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: format of those exams. UM. We are I think that 372 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: route the most afraid that the university will UH grant 373 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: some sort of or it doesn't how everybody gets passd uh. 374 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: If it would, it would theory weaken the union's power, 375 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: but it would also weaken the universities to required those 376 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: rates to uh progress in their college education in their life. 377 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: It would be a huge low for them to receive 378 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: not a letter grade. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, that would 379 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: be a massive step for the university to take in 380 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: undermining their own status and the well being of their students. 381 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: Right Like if you have a required class or required 382 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: grade in a certain class to progress to graduate school 383 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: or to breas to a vocational degree, then um, yeah, 384 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: that that would make it. They could have long term 385 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: implications for those students, right yeah, yeah, that would be 386 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: a big step for them. So will I suppose Yeah, 387 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: that's interesting if they extend it, what are you are 388 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: required to go back and redo? That's a huge amount 389 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: of labor that you would then be doing in a 390 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: very compact amount of time to grade three MW assignments 391 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: is an endurance challenge grade to normally due in mid December? 392 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: Is that still the case UCSD? Right now? This is 393 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: this is weekend. Yeah, the clock is taking So how 394 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: does the how does this strike look if you go 395 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: past week ten right if you go, not just in 396 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: terms of withholding grades, but obviously campus is very different 397 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: when the undergrads aren't there. They don't think really we 398 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: have discussions about whether or not Ward did it for 399 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: the long we are I think at the moment hedging 400 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: our bets on the next two weeks being in some 401 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: ways decisive. There is a fashion uh actually that fel 402 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: that once finals are are over, are power dramatically weakens. 403 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: I'm certainly give the UC decided to uh by us 404 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: the rating for this, It seemed like that would be 405 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: a happnhausis. I'm not convinced that they would do that. 406 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: Um In I do the longer that we wouldhold those rates. 407 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: Um they look, you have the leverage. I don't think 408 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: the US will just throw up their hands, you know, 409 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: we don finally say oh well it's right off, see 410 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: you next quarter. Yeah. Yeah, I think they have been 411 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: back trying to hold you out. I'd love to know, 412 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: like to close out what you've learned through the the 413 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: three in a bit weeks you've been on strike, and 414 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: what you think like people should take from this, Like 415 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: it's an unprecedented era for workers organization in the last 416 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: thirty years. We've seen more strikes in last few years 417 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: and we have in decades. So what can people learn 418 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: from the UC experience? Yes, absolutely, UM. One of the 419 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: things that I have learned which is very salient in 420 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: my mind. UM, as somebody who started organizing about three 421 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: or four months before the strike, I was approached to 422 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: uh be a strength apton and the park. Later, I 423 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: went to various trainings, I went sat in on this 424 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: organizing meetings, UM, and the ship we were given kind 425 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: of before the strike began was that we had an 426 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 1: incredible amount of power the strike gratification vote where uh 427 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: we uh more than three quarters of the graduate students 428 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: voted overwhelmingly in the ninety eight percentile to strike. We 429 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: all went in with a very powerful sense of the 430 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: historic nature of the strike and our our bargaining power 431 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: in our solidarity. UM. That seems to be treated by 432 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: any of the union leadership as a finite resource, as 433 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: something that we want of us full to trigger. On 434 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 1: sent the workers out hope, growers for resolution, and if 435 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: we didn't get it, then UM worked to wrap it 436 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: up as quickly as we can. I'm sure that I'm 437 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: giving them short shrift, and that this is probably ultimately 438 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: an unbear analysis very much the percentage only that that 439 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: you know this isn't sustainable, that we are reaching our 440 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: peak power. UM, that now is the time to start 441 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: uh kind of pivoting to making these concessions. And we're 442 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: all I'm saying that you know this. The organizing doesn't 443 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: stop when you walk out. The organizing begins when you 444 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: walk out. And for for people like me, who you 445 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: know at some knowledge I I've experienced in organizing, I've 446 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: been occupied whom I consider myself very well educated radical, 447 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: but just at the fact of getting on the picket line, 448 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: experiencing and talking to my bellow workers across campuses, across 449 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: picket mines has been energizing and meadicalizing all upon its own. 450 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't think that the union leadership, we mean I 451 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: knew what to do with that account of language, it 452 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: the bushes where efficient, their horses or whatever. I that 453 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: a lot of school, with the our campus leadership, ought 454 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: to have done a better job with the UH, the 455 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: day to day energizing. UH. One issue that UH you 456 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: know at camp lame specifically on a specific harbing unit 457 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 1: or UH even the U U A W T suspi um, 458 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: but it's a hunter wal comes from above is at um. 459 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: If you do not picket, you do not actively sign 460 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: up or ticket shifts that in this long round, you 461 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: do not give strength and um And for a lot 462 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: of us who have accessibility needs or are are not 463 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: closed to campus, or are withholding their labor and active 464 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: in the strike in other ways, they feel like there's 465 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: not really a place for them um and and they're 466 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: doing equally crucial work. Yess, it's good to have people 467 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,239 Speaker 1: picketing and on that visibility. Ultimately, if there were two 468 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: people hitting and everybody else was withholding their labor, we 469 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: would still win the strength UM. So there seems to 470 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: be a overwhelming emphasis on the visible single of our 471 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: power and our solidarity. And the concession that was made 472 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: in day four was explained by a dwindling uh amount 473 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: of people who were showing up for pickets, you know, 474 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: from day one to two increation before UM and a 475 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: lot of us tried to push that on that. Yes, 476 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's hard to sustain that physical press. Yeah, 477 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: but we should be also working to bolster and encourage 478 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: and harness the power of those workers Benny every day. 479 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: But nevertheless doing apprecial labor stat Yeah, is this did 480 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: a remote picking option to that account? Yes, yes, there is, 481 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: uh you know, in any in any organization by uh 482 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, uh massive workers. There's the growing pains and 483 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: nariations in the first in the first week of I 484 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: am dueling remote coordinators with separate lists. The resolved and 485 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: they seem to have been resolved by now the same 486 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: thing with some delays in process thing strike pay account disbursements. Again, 487 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: they're there's no shade in this doing this, but for 488 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: but for people who for uh you know, sort of 489 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: on events or I really important this heck, that was 490 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: a real big stressor for them, their their willingness to 491 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: kind of be out there. Really. Yeah, that totally makes sense. 492 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's it's already a stressful time. But like 493 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: you said, these things will have people will learn in 494 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: the process. Right, Like it's new for so many people. 495 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: It's unprecedented to have like ten percent of the graduate 496 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: students in the country with holding their labor, and so like, 497 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: they will of course be growing painted And I think 498 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: often when we look at strikes, like both you and 499 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: me as historians and as consumers of the news, we 500 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: like we see one photo of a bunch of people 501 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: like in hives standing around a brazier, and then three 502 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: weeks later we read another story about a resolution contract. Right, 503 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: and in fact, what makes a strike powerful is feeding 504 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: people and being showing up and looking out for one another. 505 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: So like that's what we're trying to document. Thanks so much, Matt, 506 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: And I wonder where people can find if you'd like 507 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: to give your own social media or where people can 508 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,719 Speaker 1: find strike updates from the u S and from UC 509 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: San Diego, anything like that you want to plug. Yes, 510 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm partisan in this, but I would highly recommend not 511 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: getting strike updates from the u C San Diego. So 512 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: yeah from the campus, not from the university here. So 513 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: where you see now or yeah, I think it's I 514 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: think it's on the ground, Yeah, dealing documents too much. 515 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: Great place on Twitter has also been very all of 516 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: its current yeah to date information. Can you tell us 517 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: to Venmo where people can like hell in the true 518 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: Spanish historian fashion feed everyone? Have you got a giant 519 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: out there? Are you? Like with the spade? So I 520 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: will clarify this is a this is a uneficial Yeah, 521 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: this is not the U A WU worldwide MMO, but 522 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: the particulars on the US camps organizing meetings. The problem 523 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: lines is at UCSD dash strikes. Nice yeah, easy to remember. 524 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: Hopefully you get some donations. Thanks, I'm sure time, Matt, 525 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It could happen here as a production 526 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 1: of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, 527 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone Media dot com, or check 528 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 529 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find sources 530 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: for It could Happen here, updated monthly at cool zone 531 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: Media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.