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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale LOLLI he is Matt Williamson and Matt.

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Speaker 2: If you look at.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers draft compared to we'll compare him to the

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Speaker 3: other teams in the AFC North because that's who you

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Speaker 3: can play against. But looking here at the Ravens draft,

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Speaker 3: they got Zay Flowers at twenty two. Both like Zay Flowers.

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Speaker 3: They took Trenton Simpson in the third round. They didn't

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Speaker 3: have a second round pick, so they got a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a bargain there getting him with a twenty

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Speaker 3: third pick in the third round, being that coming after

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Speaker 3: the Steelers had traded out of that spot.

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Speaker 2: At ninety by the way, or eighty, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Then they took Tavis Robinson, an outside linebacker out of

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Speaker 3: Old Miss Cayu Bleue Kelly in the fifth round out

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Speaker 3: of Stanford. In the sixth round, Maya Alessa alamalve l

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Speaker 3: Lou out of Oregon. He's an offensive tackle. And then

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Speaker 3: they took the lottery pick Andrew Vorhees in the seventh round.

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Speaker 3: Outside of Zay Flowers, I don't see any immediate help

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Speaker 1: I mean my favorite picks for them are Cayu Blue

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Speaker 1: Kelly in the fifth round. I think he's a quality player,

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Speaker 1: but he's probably not a starter or even a starting

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Speaker 1: nickel immediately, and Vorhe's which isn't gonna play it all

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Speaker 1: this year. I mean that might really pay off down

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Speaker 1: the road year two. But Flowers will compete for early

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Speaker 1: playing time, but probably still just a third receiver on

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Speaker 1: that team. He's probably behind Beckham and Bateman as a rookie.

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Speaker 1: But it indicates to me that they're gonna use forivers

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Speaker 1: more and you know, more three receiver sets than were

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Speaker 1: they couldn't use receivers less. Right, all right, And Simpson

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Speaker 1: to me is a real project.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I know he's a big name guy, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's going to beat out Queen unless they move him.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's just kind of a special teamer

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he was the guy when we looked

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Speaker 3: at the inside linebackers. I mean you had to put

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Speaker 3: him in your top three because of the athleticism. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but his instincts, they just they just weren't there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just weren't there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I there's expectations that maybe,

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Speaker 3: you know, a couple of years from now, you might

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Speaker 3: have something there, but again, no immediate help.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. Now.

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Speaker 3: They did, of course, get to get the deal done

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Speaker 3: with Lamar Jackson before the draft, and that was that.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if that if they just got so caught

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Speaker 3: up in that whole thing, because they usually draft guys

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Speaker 3: that are somewhat shocky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at least, you know, a lot of the same

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Speaker 3: guys that we've talked about for the Steelers end up

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Speaker 3: being Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and usually they have more picks than this too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, only two picks in the top eighty six,

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty two and eighty six. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't like they had a whole lot. And this class

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Speaker 1: is fine. I don't have a real problem with this

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Speaker 1: I probably like twenty better and ten less or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But overall, Lamar just monopolized so much of your off

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Speaker 1: season that you couldn't do much. You overpaid for Odell

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Speaker 1: and then you had a mediocre draft haul and that's

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Speaker 1: really all you did to get better this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't see them as markedly better running out of

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're kind of kind of what they were

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Speaker 3: last year. Yeah, they got some different receivers and that's

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Speaker 3: an upgrade for them, but they haven't gotten a left tackle.

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Speaker 1: That's still an issue in a corner of good shape or

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Speaker 2: Are we are we certain that? You know? I mean

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Speaker 2: like JK. Dobbins coming out, but that was before he

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Speaker 1: It could have been disastrous and you could be starting

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Speaker 2: They avoided that.

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Speaker 3: They did avoid that, right, but it's gonna cost him.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the Bengals draft, they got Miles

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Speaker 3: Murphy at twenty nine in the first round. That's that

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Speaker 3: DJ Turner at two twenty nine. I think you liked

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan. He's a little smaller, but I think

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Speaker 1: The speed stands out, but I think he's more than

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Speaker 1: you know. That's you know, if he comes out two

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Speaker 1: years from now, it could be a top five pick.

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Speaker 1: tape of Turner getting picked on, but mostly because the

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Speaker 3: They got Jordan Battle at thirty three point thirty two,

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Speaker 3: the safety out of Alabama, solid, solid player. Yeah, Charlie Jones,

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Speaker 3: the wide receiver at a Purdue in the fourth round

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Speaker 3: at twenty nine. They don't move around a whole lot,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they make their picks that they earned, and

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Speaker 2: Just sit there it would make me crazy.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, at five to I thought they got good

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Speaker 3: value in Chase Brown, the running back at Illinois.

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Speaker 1: I think Mixon's time there is coming to a close quickly.

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Speaker 1: And if the opportunity presented themselves, if it had been

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Speaker 3: Either, No, they didn't. In the sixth round, they had

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Speaker 3: two picks. They took andre Yasivas, the wide receiver at

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Speaker 3: and this one's the one that can run a little

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Speaker 2: So I thought that they did help themselves in this draft,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we kind of brushed over Charlie Jones, but

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Speaker 1: be able to keep Boyd much longer because the offense

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Speaker 1: is going to get really, really expensive. We talked about

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Speaker 1: this a little leading up to the draft, but certainly

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Speaker 1: on draft Day that just the makeup of their team

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Speaker 1: is going to take a seismic shift in that they

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Speaker 1: used to be young and cheap on offense and went

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Speaker 1: and now that's about to change in a drastic, drastic

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Speaker 1: manner when they pay Chase and presumably Higgins, but especially Burrow.

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Speaker 1: That drafting defense made sense financially, you know. So they

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Speaker 1: that all adds up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The the interesting thing about this is, you know they're

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Speaker 3: not accustomed to drafting consistently time and time again at

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Speaker 3: the bottom of the first round, good point, and so

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Speaker 3: you have to start hitting on some You have to

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Speaker 3: hit on these guys, and you need a little bit

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Speaker 3: of luck. I thought they got some of that luck

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Speaker 3: with Murphy. Maybe they got some of that luck with

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Speaker 3: with Turner in battle. You know, we'll see about some

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Speaker 3: of the other guys. But you do have to again,

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Speaker 3: this was a deep draft, but you have to consistently

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Speaker 3: hit on these these picks. If your quarter you know,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna pay your quarterback the kind of money that

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is going to command, and it's probably gonna

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Speaker 3: be north of that. I mean, is he Is he

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Speaker 3: gonna be a fifty five million dollars a year player?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's he's gonna be. Yeah, it's exactly gonna

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Speaker 1: be and you're thrilled to do it. But the makeup

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Speaker 1: of your team changes dramatically, and you know, again, this

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Speaker 1: is a good thing, and unaccustomed to what the Bengals

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Speaker 1: and you're right, you say, you know, particularly Turner and

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Speaker 1: Battle I look at as I bet neither one of

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Speaker 3: Like we just can't miss you know, yeah, you got

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Speaker 3: you got to hit a double with those guys. Yes,

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Speaker 3: guys have to be solid, Yeah, they have to be

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Speaker 3: some of those Well, that's when it gets tricky for you,

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Speaker 3: because not only are they going to be paying Burrow

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Speaker 3: the kind of money, you know, fifty five million dollars

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Speaker 3: a year, Chase is going to be twenty five to

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Speaker 3: thirty million dollars probably thirty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and their OWD lines already expensive without getting you

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Speaker 1: the production that Chase and Burrow provide, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean Orlando Brown's expense.

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Speaker 2: So can you keep Higgins? Who knows?

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Speaker 1: I mean, do they look at the Princeton kid and think,

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Speaker 2: You know? Who knows?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just looks it's gonna look different. If the

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Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns didn't have a pick in the first two

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Speaker 3: rounds of this draft, they had a big need according

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Speaker 3: to this This is their needs according to ESPN defensive tackle,

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Speaker 3: inside linebacker, defensive end, wide receiver, safety.

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Speaker 2: That had to be.

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Speaker 3: Torturous for them watching all the defensive tackles, watching all

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Speaker 3: the wide receivers, all those guys that they needed tick

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Speaker 3: off the board. But they did get Cedric Tillman, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually like of the three other teams in

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Speaker 1: at the poker table, I think the Browns did the

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Speaker 2: And I don't yet.

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Speaker 3: I thought they got good value. Yeah, now some of

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Speaker 3: Assuming he's able to play, you know, more than twenty

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Speaker 3: those in those situations, he probably is because they don't

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Speaker 3: There must have been something wrong with him, his mus

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Speaker 1: Martin's good, right, Yeah, it wouldn't shock me if there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I thought the Browns give him what

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Again again, I think they played their cards better than

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Speaker 1: course with that team hinges on Watson. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: But I like the idea of Cooper Nadjoku, Elijah Moore, Tillman,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I still think though these Steelers clearly had the

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Speaker 1: I think of the teams in the division, no one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, you know, we make fun of

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Speaker 2: The Steelers won the off season this year in the

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Speaker 2: AFC North. I was got to say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But the if we look at this, not just the

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's even close.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's Again, I think they're one of

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Speaker 3: the most improved teams, not just in the AFS or

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Speaker 1: No, you might not. I mean, they might be a

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Speaker 1: I mean that could happen.

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Speaker 2: I can see him winning ten or eleven games and

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Speaker 3: This year, I just think the AFC has gotten that

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Speaker 3: the AFC is going to be a meat grinder this year.

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Speaker 2: It's brutal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do think, at least on pay as

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Speaker 1: it stands at the beginning of May, the Steeler schedule

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Speaker 2: Maybe fourth. Yeah, I'm with you. I think they would certainly.

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Speaker 1: Either South or the NFC North, they're the best team

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Speaker 3: but it is what you are where you are, and

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Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of like the I can remember

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Speaker 1: That's the way that the NFC was viewed Okay.

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Speaker 2: The true super Bowl is the NFC Championship.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's like the Akman Cowboys era.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve Young with the forty nine ers, and you know,

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Speaker 3: and you know it's just okay, those teams were Yeah,

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Speaker 3: at as an afterthought. Okay, the Bills are going to

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Speaker 3: be there again, but they can't win. Yeah, that kind

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Speaker 1: I'm not fighting you. I don't see it that way

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Speaker 2: They could have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't think that the if you look

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Speaker 1: I bet ten of the top twelve are in one conference,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think if you look at it, you know,

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Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett, right right right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why you can't put them higher on

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, well you mentioned the Chargers. They

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Speaker 3: don't think either one of us really liked. Dayon Henley's

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Speaker 3: a nice pickup for them in the third round, another

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Speaker 3: receiver Darius Davis from TCU, Jordan McFadden the guard from

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Speaker 3: seventh round. I don't know that they helped themselves a

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Speaker 3: ton they got, you know, I mean Quinton Johnston don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's the third receiver right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I look at the Dolphins they bring in. They

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Speaker 1: No, you're hearing a lot of unfavorable things about the

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Speaker 2: They didn't help themselves at all in this draft.

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Speaker 1: No, which we knew. I mean, they had the least

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Speaker 1: get very little from their rookie class. A Chain to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just thinking here, who else is going to be

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Speaker 2: The Jets.

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Speaker 1: I was about to kind of interrupt you and say Jets,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think those teams had great immediate impact. The

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at it, the Steelers actually moving

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I like him as the fifteenth

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a little early.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, agree on that.

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Speaker 3: You know, And he's a guy who had great production

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Speaker 2: You're telling McDonald?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I don't think that's the direction they wanted

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Speaker 1: He's fine, but I don't think that's I think that

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: In the second round, they did bring in Joe Tipman,

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot better for Roderick Jones and Joe Tipman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's the thing I mean. And then they

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Speaker 3: I like Warren as a prospect. He's not helping them

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Speaker 1: No, that showed me that, not that that was a reach.

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Speaker 1: I think Carter Warren's worth one hundred and twentieth pick,

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Speaker 1: But with a makeup of their team, I really believe

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Then they got Israel Abacanda had a pit in the

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Speaker 3: fifth round, Zaier Barnes, the outside linebacker out of Western

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Speaker 3: Michigan in the sixth round. Also got the cornerback jerk

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Speaker 3: Bernard Converse in the sixth round, and they got a

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Speaker 3: little value in Zach Quintz in the seventh that might

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Speaker 3: work out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a bit of a project.

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Speaker 1: Though probably not the year. Yeah from old And I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either. So I mean I

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Speaker 2: look at the.

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Speaker 3: Other contenders for those playoff spots in the AFC, beyond

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs and the Bills, and you know, the teams

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Speaker 3: at the Bengals, even at the top of the a

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Speaker 3: f C. And again, I think the Steelers improved themselves

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Speaker 3: more than those other teams.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I doubt it was an accident that

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Speaker 1: you didn't bring up the Patriots because I don't know

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Speaker 1: that they are.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're contender, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't like their draft either.

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Speaker 3: No, their draft, I mean punters and kickers, and all

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Speaker 3: they did was they didn't take a long snapper. But

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Speaker 3: the only good thing they did was make the trade

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Speaker 3: with the Steelers, right right, you know, they got Chris

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Speaker 3: gozalez Is seventeen is great value.

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Speaker 2: But yes, you know, other than that, I didn't like

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Speaker 2: their draft at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as many names as they selected, there weren't

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Speaker 1: many I was fond of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, even looking at the Jaguars. They moved

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Speaker 3: down in the first round to take Anton Harrison, who's

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Speaker 3: kind of a finesse offensive tackle, but they kind of

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Speaker 3: had to do that because of their offensive tackle situation.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's what I was about to say, is chance.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Harrison's defined player. I mentioned it several times

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Speaker 1: at thirty two leading up to the draft. But they're

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Speaker 1: going to be worse a tackle than they were last year, right,

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Speaker 1: just start the season. And I like Strange too, but

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Speaker 1: that was a little early for me.

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Speaker 2: That was early for that.

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Speaker 3: I like Tank Bigsby, but you know, right, and then

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Speaker 3: you know, they had a couple of fourth round picks.

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Speaker 3: They kind of reached there a little bit for Ventcerel

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Speaker 3: Miller and Tyler Lacy, you know the rest of.

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Speaker 1: Their Bill Miller, but from what I understand is he

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Speaker 1: was not, let's put this way, it was not on

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Speaker 1: many teams draft boards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because off the field, yeah, some stuff he had stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he had more stuff than most.

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Speaker 3: And they had a bunch of fifth and sixth round

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Speaker 3: draft picks and seventh round draft picks. I mean they're

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Speaker 3: fifth and sixth and seventh round draft picks. I mean

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Speaker 3: they took what are we looking.

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Speaker 1: At it like Antonio Johnson and Parker Washington. But those

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Speaker 1: are fifth and six round picks, you know, Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

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Speaker 2: ten picks from the fourth round on Wiley did huh?

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, if you know, if you're a decent team,

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Speaker 3: if you think you're gonna be good, those guys aren't

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Speaker 3: going to make your.

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Speaker 1: Roster, right, And it's easy for us to say, but

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Speaker 1: couldn't you have packaged six and a fifth and had

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Speaker 1: another fourth?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, I mean, that's what

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Speaker 2: I would have done in this draft. Yeah, right, That's

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Speaker 2: what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Like usually from the Jags perspective over the last ten

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Speaker 1: twenty years, or quantity is fine because you've got lots

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Speaker 1: of roster spots. But I think this one should have

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Speaker 1: been more about quality as opposed to trading down, trading

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Speaker 1: down and have what ten picks.

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Speaker 2: After the round?

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Speaker 3: Taking nothing against this guy, but taking Cooper Hodges, a

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Speaker 3: guard out of Appalachian State in the seventh round. Right,

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Speaker 3: you and I study this draft. I don't know a

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Speaker 3: thing about Cooper Hodges.

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Speaker 2: No, right, right?

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Speaker 1: I mean those seventh rounders, do they really have a

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Speaker 1: chance to make this team.

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Speaker 2: Probably full back out of Houston.

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Speaker 3: You know that was the guy who's the full back

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Speaker 3: slash defensive end Derek Parrish.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeahyeah, okay, exactly slash right.

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Speaker 3: I mean you're just you're just taking guys you're feel

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Speaker 3: you know, you're you're bringing in camp bodies.

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Speaker 1: I mean even I'm looking at your Abdual the fifth round.

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Speaker 1: We knew who he was. He's fine, he's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be a fifth rounder, but he's they have he's their

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Speaker 1: fourth linebacker. Yeah, he has a hard time even getting

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Speaker 1: playing time there. I mean, they went crazy in free

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Speaker 1: agency in the draft last year on linebackers.

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Speaker 3: And so you added to your team. You know, Brenton

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Speaker 3: Strange is going to be a backup tight end for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. They didn't get what. They didn't get better.

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Speaker 2: They didn't get better.

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Speaker 3: You know, I just way I look at it here,

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Speaker 3: We'll take a look at how some other people look

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Speaker 3: at at least one person looks at it here.

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Speaker 2: When we come back. You alluded to the power rankings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan Hansens has power rankings out post, does he know, Yes,

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Speaker 3: he does, So we'll take a look at that when

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Speaker 3: we come back.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio,

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Speaker 3: and we'll be back with more right after this