1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: Y'all. I just got back from Paris and I had 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: the opportunity to go to the louver to stand where 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: the ladder was. Where the thieves climbed up to that 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: second story balcony, entered, grabbed the jewels and left. It 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: was October nineteenth, twenty twenty five. The loop opened at nine. 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: By nine point thirty, a freight truck pulls up with 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: an extended ladder. Two men dressed like construction workers go 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: to the second story little balcony there, take an angle grinder, 9 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: bust in through the window glass there make their way in. 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: By nine thirty four, four minutes, alarms are triggered because 11 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: they have busted through the glass with that same grinder. 12 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: They grabbed eight pieces of the royal jewels. We're talking 13 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: to Polling now and his wife eight pieces. One piece 14 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: was dropped several blocks away from the louver, and that 15 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: one was recovered. It was damaged, but was recovered. Inner 16 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Pole on the twentieth of October starts blasting all the 17 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: data they can on this case, what jewels were taking, 18 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: what the pieces looked like. By the twenty seventh, police 19 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: have made an arrest of two people. By November, we 20 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,919 Speaker 1: have four people under arrest, two men and two women. 21 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: That's the four person team. The two men went out, 22 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: the two women waited outside on motorbikes. That's how they 23 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: made their way out. Of the eight items and one 24 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: being recovered, so the seven remaining. Y'all, you're talking about 25 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars worth of jewels. One hundred million 26 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: dollars and they did all of this in about eight 27 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: minutes from start to finish. One of the things they 28 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: did right is where they entered that side of the 29 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: museum faces the same Well, who's going to be on 30 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: the same tourists. They're not going to know anything. They're 31 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: not going to suspect anything if they see what looks 32 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: like some type of construction. I mean, right now, look 33 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: what's under construction, Notre Dame, lots of famous things right 34 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: this minute in Paris or under construction. So it might 35 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: even take ten minutes for somebody to notice. Another five 36 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: to get in touch with somebody. Well, honey, they're gone 37 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: by them. Y'all know me? Who do we go to? 38 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: We go to the sores? Baby. In this situation, who 39 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: do we need? I need a jewel thief? I need 40 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: somebody to talk to me about this case. And today 41 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: we are so lucky. I've got Brian soba Luski with us. 42 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: Brian is a jewel thief. Listen, y'all, first time we 43 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: ever had a conversation on the phone, I call him 44 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: about something else. I've got a project and I wanted 45 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: his help on it, so I called him. First thing 46 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: out of my mouth was I said, Brian, hey, look, 47 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: this is going to be off the record and top secret. 48 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: He cracks up laughing and says, that's the only kind 49 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: of phone calls I have. I'm a thief. I thought 50 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: that's the greatest response I've ever heard. Y'all. Please welcome 51 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: Brian Soboluski to Zone seven. Brian, how are you, buddy? 52 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: I am outstanding, especially after an introduction like that. And 53 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: I got to tell you just your description of this robbery. 54 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: I am still tingling. I tingled the day I heard 55 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: it that this happened. I I've always. 56 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: Been a person that root to the bad guys always. 57 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: I was so mad in the first Star Wars like 58 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: I kept asking my dad, how No, there's no way 59 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: the Empire lost that. 60 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: So I'm always. 61 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: There's no way. 62 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: I understand love the bad guys and I've always loved 63 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: the bad guys, even in the comic books. 64 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 3: You know, the joke is my favorite, and I was 65 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: always just like, damn that Batman. So when I hear 66 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: this story, I just get very excited. 67 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: And you know, these are the type of robberies that 68 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: are so romanticized, right, because this is what we think 69 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: about when you think jewel robbery. Right, it's this elaborate scheme. 70 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: You got these people conspiring and blah blah blah, blah 71 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. I got to tell you, there's so 72 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: many things about this robbery that I have questions about 73 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, how do you actually catch 74 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: these people or how do you get away with it? 75 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 2: Because you know, just just think about the idea of 76 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: having to find that vehicle. Right, So you're sitting down 77 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: and you say, hey, we're going to pull off this robbery. 78 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: We need a truck, you know, we need a truck 79 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: that has a basket in it that can elevate us up. 80 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 2: So that automatically becomes a problem because that's trackable. 81 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: That's yeah, And I gotta find it and people gotta 82 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: give it to me, or I got to steal it 83 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: from somewhere. 84 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: Or I got it because you know, when we were 85 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: doing stores I used we used to have to we 86 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: needed a car for it. And this was the genius 87 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: of my dad. We would He would rent a car 88 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: the week before the robbery and make it key a 89 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: copy of the key, and then drive it back, return 90 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: the car. And they back then they didn't have fences 91 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: around car lots, rental car lots, so we could go 92 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: the night before the robbery, take the car off the lawn, 93 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: use it in the robbery, bring it back and sometimes 94 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: they didn't even notice it was gone. When I was 95 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: on the Snake, the reality show, I was with a detective. 96 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: They put an ex con and a detective on the 97 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: same reality show, and he. 98 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: When I told him that story, he was, dude, that's genius. 99 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: And he says, even you know, because now that's not 100 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: that it's not that small, because you can't do that. 101 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 2: And I think the Soboluski family did have something to 102 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: do with the fact that car rental agencies now put 103 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: fences around their cars. 104 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: You're welcome, I got it. Sometimes you got to polish 105 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: a turn. 106 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, the truth is the truth. But 107 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Thieves still use rental cars all the time. 108 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: Yep, yep, Because but again it's if if you need that. 109 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: So when you sit down and you're thinking, hey, we're 110 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: going to do. 111 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: This job, we need a car for this, well, we 112 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: need something that's untraceable or when they trace it, they 113 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: still can't. You know, they can't trace it back to us, 114 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: and that's very difficult to do. 115 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 3: Think about it. Could you do that right now? A 116 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: lot of people couldn't. 117 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people do not have this type of 118 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: equipment at their disposalute not. 119 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: So that's that's another huge thumbprint you leave there of 120 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: distinction if you're very distinctive. 121 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: And who can drive it? And let's be honest, the 122 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: traffic in Paris come on now, I mean yes, getting 123 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: that through traffic, how many people had to be cousin 124 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: at this guy like are you kid? May get out 125 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: of the way. 126 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: The way to no problem? But didn't they escape on mopeds? 127 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 2: They did another genius thing because again to your point, 128 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: it's Paris, man, You're gonna have to weave in and 129 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: out of places, and you want to be able to 130 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: do that and know that the cops can't if you 131 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: are going to end up being. 132 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Chased that's right, and those mopads nobody's gonna notice. And 133 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: I want to go back to the beginning of this thing, 134 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: and I want everybody to understand this ain't Ocean's eleven, y'all. 135 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: This was elementary, which has genius in it. How do 136 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: you get in the loop through a window? I mean, 137 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: that's so simple. How do you get to the jewels? 138 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: Bust the glass? 139 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: I have questions about that too, because let's just say 140 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: that you're you're the louver. You have to ensure these things. 141 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: And I can't believe that the insurance protocol for a 142 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: saying okay, we'll cover Napoleon's emeralds for one hundred million 143 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: or whatever. 144 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: They're worth way more than that. Because of that, Brian, 145 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 3: can I blow your mind? Please? 146 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: They were uninsured? 147 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: Oh how how? 148 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: How? How is that possible? Yeah? 149 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: That is reckless. 150 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: So reports say that they only ensure them when they 151 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: go to another museum, like they're being transported and shown 152 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: somewhere else. I don't know how you let that occur, 153 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: but I just want to throw that out. You have 154 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: these items that you cannot replace, that you can't even 155 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: really put a price tag own because they're irreplaceable. 156 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: Napoleon had his hands on these things. 157 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, he wore them. They were his and his wife's 158 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: and we don't have any insurance on them. 159 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: That But who's the question. Why was that window not alarmed? 160 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, good question. 161 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I know if I had those jewels in 162 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: my house, I would want the windows alarmed or somebody 163 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: at that entryway potential entryway guarding it. 164 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: Right, you would think there would be a guard standing 165 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: right there at all times. 166 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: Again, I don't know what else you have in that 167 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 2: museum that you think is more important than Napoleon's emeralds. 168 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 2: But wow, I mean, maybe that's your problem. When you're 169 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: in the louver, you're like, I don't know what the 170 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: hell to protect here. You're standing by Mona Lisa, and 171 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: somebody has Napoleon's jewels in their pockets walking out of there. 172 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: It's just so brilliant. It's so brilliant, it's so brazen. 173 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: But I also, this is where you know, when you 174 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 2: start to piece this apart. They got caught relatively quickly, 175 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: and maybe that's because of a worldwide you know, being 176 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: able to get that information out. But no, they left 177 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: so much stuff behind, Like that truck is a huge 178 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: would have been a huge problem, a huge piece of 179 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: evidence that could lead right to you know, capturing these people. 180 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: So I'm so sorry they got caught, you know what 181 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 2: I mean. I was rooting for her the whole time. 182 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: Well, in a way, they did get away with it, 183 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: because none of the jewels have been recovered. So do 184 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: you think that as soon as they got to wherever 185 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: they were going, they just dismantled everything and sold them piecemeal? 186 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: You know what. 187 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: That's where you're going to lose the values. But listen, 188 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: all right, this is where I hope they are. And 189 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: I'm glad my fiance is not here because she's Indian. 190 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: And she starts screaming that those are there. They stole 191 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: them from India. So I picture some Indian sultan with 192 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 2: you know, infinite resources, saying I want those back in 193 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: India and hiring these people to do this job. And 194 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: you know, and those stones end up where they originated from. 195 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: That's ultimately in my brain what I want to see happen, 196 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 2: what I want to have happened now, to break them 197 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: up and sell them individually. Now you're talking about, hey, dude, 198 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: I want to sell you an emerald ring. 199 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 3: And it was Napoleon's Stone. 200 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to tell you that that brings up 201 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 2: the sale value exponentially. 202 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 3: Imagine. I mean, you could sell anything and say that. 203 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to use my Boston background inherritage 204 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: because we love Tommy Brady. Don't say anything, don't say 205 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 2: anything discouraging about Tommy. But I mean, if you tell 206 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: me that Tom Brady touched it, I'm offering you two 207 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: three times. 208 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: More than it's actual, you know what I mean. 209 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: So it's in a way priceless to be able to say, hey, 210 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: this was a piece from that robbery. 211 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: So you know, these people sound like they were probably. 212 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: Hired, they were, you know, to do this, not thinking 213 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: that in that position, you're so expendable, you know what 214 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: I mean, because then it's caught and dry, and now 215 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: those things, that's. 216 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: You'll never see those again. 217 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they caught one of the men at Charles de 218 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: gaul Airport trying to go to Algeria and the other 219 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: man was trying to flee to Molly, and that's what 220 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: they called them. Now why they waited, you know, to 221 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: try to get gone, I don't know. To me, they 222 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: should have left that very day. But I guess whatever fence, 223 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: they had whatever deal they had made, If they had 224 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: something lined up beforehand, which I can only imagine they 225 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: had to have, is I would want to get rid 226 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: of that as quick as I could. 227 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's just say they were set up. 228 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: Maybe let's just say that it was it was the 229 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: people who hired them's intention for them to get caught. 230 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 3: So, you know, you hash the plan. 231 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: You say, hey, you lay low here locally for a 232 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 2: couple of days before we. 233 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: Try to get you out. Then you lead the cop 234 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: stright to the door. You know what I mean. 235 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: If if that's how I laid this out, this is 236 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: a mastermind at hand here. 237 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 3: If these people were hired. 238 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: So they would get caught but never recover the jewels, 239 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: and you don't really know who you were selling to. 240 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying exactly? 241 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: Okay, So from there you hand those things off and 242 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 2: they're gone. This is like the Art Boston, the art 243 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: robbery that happened in the museum in Boston. They took 244 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: a couple of you know, and those things were never 245 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: recovered because they. 246 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: Did the right thing. 247 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: They got they were gone. They were on a boat, 248 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: you know, leaving the continent within hours. Of being stolen. 249 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: Now, Brian, that kind of rings true for me because 250 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: one of the men that was arrested, he was thirty 251 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: nine years old, and he was known to police because 252 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: he's been arrested at least six times four things like pimping, 253 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: driving without a license, and receiving stolen goods. Now, let 254 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: me tell you, if you're receiving them, you're the middleman. 255 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: You're not the one that took them, and you're not 256 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: the one that's going to ultimately benefit. So for him 257 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: to go from being what I would consider on paper 258 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: just not even a petty criminal, just kind of mediocre 259 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: besides an idiots, he sounds like an idiot on paper 260 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: because you're doing all these things and this is what 261 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: you've gotten caught for. I don't know how you go 262 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: from pimping, driving without a license and receiving stolen goods 263 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: to pull it off the largest jewel heist in history 264 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: without some significant help. 265 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: It's it's literally impossible because this guy does not sound 266 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: like a rock star. But then again, and you know, 267 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: take take my dad. The twenty two stores that we 268 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: took down, it was you know, it wasn't always a store. 269 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: The people that we went after it was my dad. 270 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: It was my dad's planning because he had a criminal mind. 271 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: He was he just knew how to do it. It's 272 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: so and it's so funny. 273 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 3: You know. 274 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: It didn't take much convincing for me and my brother 275 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: to say, Okay, we'll do it. But neither one of 276 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: my brother or I could could not have pulled that off. 277 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: So you're talking about it just a henchman. You know 278 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: those people in the movie you don't even think about. Yes, 279 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: they're working for whoever. And you're like, she's you know what, 280 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: how does I want to hear more about him? Because 281 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: you know, the Ultimate Followers and and my dad and 282 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: my brother were both very very charming people and could 283 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: get those kind of people to do anything they wanted to. 284 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: And sounds like that's what this guy is. 285 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: It sounds like the people that actually initiated the plan. 286 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: We're not you know, we're not rock star thieves. 287 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: All right, well, let me ask you this now. To 288 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: your point that they were not rock star thieves, they 289 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: left behind some things, one being a glove and that 290 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: glove produced DNA. They left fingerprints, They left over one 291 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty trace evidence samples that could be analyzed 292 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty brian and they were only in 293 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: their seven minutes. I don't know how you drop a crown. 294 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how you drop a glove. 295 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: Oh my god. My fiance would be like, you will 296 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: go back and get that. 297 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: I love her. Yeah, I mean what you're driving. If 298 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: I am driving that scooter and you're on the back 299 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: and I turned around, you're like, hey, Napoleon's crown. I 300 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: dropped it. 301 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: What Yeah, I'm getting it. 302 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: That's the whole reason we came here, man. And now 303 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: somebody's just gonna be able to pick that up, and 304 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: probably your fingerprints or DNA has own it. 305 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: I'll tell you now. Listen, the DNA thing right now 306 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: is scary. It's getting to the point where you cannot 307 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 2: commit a crime without them knowing that your DNA was there. 308 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: So it's you know, if you either find a way 309 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: not to leave it there or you're busted. 310 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: Listen, it used to be DNA took a year. Now 311 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: it's almost they got you in a couple of days easily. 312 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: When I was locked up in Massachusetts, I was in 313 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: a minimum security and they they we woke up one 314 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: morning in the entire place and a minimum security doesn't. 315 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: Have a wall and buck wire. You'll walk out the 316 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 3: door if you want. 317 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: Whenever we catch you, we'll bring you back here and 318 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: you can finish your sentence. That's kind of how that goes. 319 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: And we woke up one morning there's just guys with 320 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: shotguns everywhere and that Massachusetts had enacted a law that 321 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 2: if you were convicted of a violent crime, they're going 322 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: to take your DNA. 323 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: So the show of force. 324 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: Around the prison was basically saying and I sat down 325 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: in front of a car guard and he said, listen, 326 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: here's the deal. 327 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: We're taking your blood. 328 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: If you say no, we're bringing you back to maximum 329 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: security right now. 330 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: Your choice sign this. They took my blood. 331 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: They were going to keep my DNA on file because 332 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 2: I had been convicted of violent crimes. I was a 333 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: violent offender. And the next day the Supreme Court shut 334 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: the whole thing down and they had just to destroy 335 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: all the samples because it's a very weird issue. 336 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 3: They don't, you know, to keep that stuff on file. 337 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. But that was the beginnings of it. 338 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: And that was back in the nineties, and now it's 339 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: so easy to get that stuff. 340 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: It's so easy to find. 341 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: Traces of it in places that you've been improved that 342 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: you've been in places that it's almost as you know, 343 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: think your own personal cell phone. 344 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: They can track it no matter what. 345 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of that, let's talk about what else they 346 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: left behind. They left the angle grinder, a blow torch, 347 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: gasoline gloves, a walkie talkie, a blanket, and a helmet. 348 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: All of those things are fantastic sources of DNA. 349 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and Tracy. 350 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 2: Even if you couldn't get DNA OUTPHA traceable, trauch, buy 351 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: the walkie talking It has a cereal and I'm all traceable. 352 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: Yep. The blow torch and the grinder could possibly have 353 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: a serial number. It could also be wherever they got 354 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: this ladder truck from. It's all connected, including the uniforms 355 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: where they look like construction workers. 356 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 3: It is not easy to find a louder truck. I 357 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 3: don't care. 358 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 2: Go ahead and try today, get on your computer and 359 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: try to find a lodder truck for rent. 360 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: It's trade. It's so traceable. So it's almost like. 361 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: The people that got caught for this were either put 362 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: in harms way and they knew they were going to 363 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: go down for it, or were just so dumb. It's 364 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: almost suicidal. It's almost guaranteeing you in your cart. 365 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: Do you think any of the jewels will ever be recovered? 366 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: No, because if they were smart, they left Paris and 367 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: traveled halfway across the globe within the first eight hours 368 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: of that robbery. 369 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk a little bit about your 370 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: family and how you got into the jewel thief and business. 371 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, when I was a little kid. You and 372 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: I have talked about this, But I became so infatuated 373 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: with criminals when I was really little, and it just 374 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: never left me. But I was about eight years old 375 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: when I saw the movie To Catch a Thief with 376 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: Kerry Grant and Grace kelly Man. I loved her car, 377 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: the MK one, that Sapphire Blue. I loved the French riviera, 378 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: even though I didn't really even know what or what 379 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: it was. I was just mesmerized that watching carry Grant, 380 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: this could be a real job. And it changed the 381 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: way that I saw crime, because before that, it was 382 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: the Body and Clyde and the al Capone and the 383 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: John Dillinger. It was more gritty and dirty and hard, 384 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of the folks involved with it were 385 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: poor well, now, all of a sudden, you had too 386 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: just extraordinary, beautiful people in a stunning place going after jewelry, 387 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean diamonds and sapphires and emeralds that I literally 388 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: started to practice to be a jewel thief. So I 389 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: would practice climbing a ladder, I would practice going in 390 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: and out of a window, all those sort of things, 391 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: thinking well, this is what I'll do. I don't want 392 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: to be Bonny and Clyde. I didn't, of course want 393 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: that in my life. But a jewel thief, now that's 394 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: something different. And I literally, at the time believed it 395 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: was a victimless crime because I thought, man, if I 396 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 1: go to Monica or anywhere and I steal a diamond 397 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: necklace from this, you know Princess, she can replace it, 398 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: it's no big deal. I thought it was the perfect gig. 399 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: But that's not how you got into it. You got 400 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: into it with the greatest manipulation. Your dad comes to 401 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: you and it's like, hey, Pops is coming to me 402 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: and he needs a favor. I don't know how you 403 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: say no to your dad who's asking you he needs 404 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: a favor from you. I don't know how you don't 405 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: immediately do whatever it is he's asking, That is what 406 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: I did? 407 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 3: You know? So, have you ever stolen anything? 408 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: Are you trying to get me to confess on my 409 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: own show? Bright? 410 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: So the answer is yes, oh, yes, yes, sure, it's wonderful. 411 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: It's fenn, and I can say that. And I've I've gone. 412 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: Over this in my head thousands of times, you know, 413 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 2: searching my soul is to hey, why why did I 414 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 2: end up doing this? Why was I not the kind 415 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: of person that said to my dad or should have 416 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: what are you want of your mind? 417 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: That's insane? 418 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: And so I posed the question you just posed to 419 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 2: people a lot like if your dad came home and 420 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: showed a side of himself you had had, really or 421 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 2: if ever had seen my dad being in a weak 422 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: position was never something I've ever seen, especially financially. My 423 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 2: dad did okay. My dad was a college educated man. 424 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: He made you know, back in the eighties, close to 425 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: one hundred grand a year, probably eighty to one hundred 426 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 2: grand a year as a salesman. 427 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 3: He did. 428 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: He did well, you know, at least enough to pay 429 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: my mother alimony and child support so that I was 430 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: fed enough and clothed enough. That being said, the criminal 431 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: mind in Boston is is is like no other. There's 432 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: a mindset in New England and anyone that's been there, you're. 433 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 3: Probably you know. 434 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: You love Boston for the history, you hate it for 435 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: the people. Everyone's a dick and there's a reason for that. 436 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 2: There is so much corruption in that city. I grew 437 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: up with so much corruption. There was never any time 438 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: that you could pick up a newspaper and not see 439 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: some politician spending our tax dollars on something he shouldn't have. 440 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: And I'm talking on a massive scale. And when I 441 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: grew up, I grew up around the mob. We knew 442 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 2: the mob ran Boston. There was a whole section of 443 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: our city blocks four blocks dedicated to debauchery. 444 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: We called it the combat zone. 445 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: You wanted to do something that was outside the societal 446 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: norm and potentially illegal, that's what you do it, and 447 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: do it anywhere else in the city, and a mobster 448 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: or a cop is going to thump you for it. 449 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 2: You know that you don't do that there. Go to 450 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: the combat zone and do that, and it was just accepted. 451 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: So I think my dad was like most other New Englanders. 452 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: Although my dad grew up near the East Boston Docks, 453 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: where you know, that's where the boats would come in 454 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: with trailers full of stuff that the mobs would the 455 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: mob would steal and they'd sell it right outside of 456 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: his neighborhood. My dad would frequently see tractor trailers just 457 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: being empty by mobsters selling to the neighborhood. 458 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: So you grew up with it. You knew that there 459 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: were people that took some stuff and there was some 460 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 3: stuff that you didn't take. 461 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: You knew who you were supposed to rob, but you 462 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: knew who you weren't supposed to rob. And that my 463 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: dad will tell you a story after story after story 464 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: because he grew up next to a mob bar. Heller's 465 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: Bar is a huge mob bar ended up being a 466 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 2: bulger bar later on after he rated out Dean Julos. 467 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: So the mob has been all over Boston since its inception. 468 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: And you know, I. 469 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: Tell people the first Robin Jewlier store isn't the first 470 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: thing I stole from my dad. 471 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: We stole a house, I'm sorry, a house, a house. 472 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: My dad could not afford to buy another house after 473 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: my mother he divorced my mother, so instead he bought 474 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: a piece of land on the outskirts of Boston and Groton, Massachusetts, 475 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: and he just had the foundation board and we lived 476 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: inside the foundation and on weekends we would drive around 477 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: to construction sites and. 478 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 3: Steal the rest of what we needed to build the house. 479 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 2: So that again, this was back when you could drive 480 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: onto a construction site and they didn't put a fence 481 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: around it because they didn't think anyone was going to 482 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 2: roll in at three am and steal all there two 483 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: by four so we could frame our own house. But 484 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: my dad stole about two thirds of that house. We 485 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: would drive it all over the place. We took a 486 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 2: piece of curbing from main Street in Nashae, New Hampshire 487 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: to be the hearth of the fireplace. 488 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 3: And we stole most of what we needed to build 489 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 3: the rest of that house. 490 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: And me and my brother did it not thinking hey, 491 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: this is wrong, and we would just hey, nobody's here 492 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 2: to stop us. 493 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 3: And that was That is the mentality of a New Englander. 494 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 2: You know, when you're on that side, there's always just 495 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: that undercurrent of hey, we've been screwed over by the 496 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: people who were supposed to stop you from being screwed 497 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: over enough times that it becomes a norm. I think 498 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 2: my dad didn't see an issue with certain things. There 499 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: were certain lines that my dad thought could be crossed 500 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 2: and there wasn't going to be a consequence. So my 501 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: dad was just a different breed of person totally. Because 502 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: you know, not to jump forward in the story, but 503 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: you know, my father and brother dying on the same 504 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: day leaves me with three possible scenarios, and this was 505 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: four years ago, coming up on the fourth anniversary of 506 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 2: their passing. I have my you know, my father and 507 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: brother died on the same because this was retribution from 508 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: somebody we robbed. Was the first thing that came to 509 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: my head when when I heard this news. Second, in 510 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: what was reported to me by the detective, the responding 511 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: detective was this was a murder suicide. My dad shot 512 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: my brother, then my dad shot himself. Third is that 513 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: this was just a double suicide. And this being sort 514 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: of the ending of this whole story, you know, where 515 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: everybody ends up. 516 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 3: I'm the last. 517 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 2: So blu Ski, I have those three scenarios that I 518 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 2: have to sit and think about because nobody can give 519 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 2: me the actual answer. Now, I don't think it was 520 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: somebody that was trying to get retribution, because my dad 521 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: ended up making his own nine to one one call. 522 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: So there's a recording of him saying, come quick, there's. 523 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: Two people that are hurt here. 524 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: So I don't think it's that first year necessarily, but 525 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: I had to live for a while thinking, you know, 526 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: somebody coming after. 527 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 3: Me, so that that's my dad. 528 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: So this is the man that I that I've never 529 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: understood growing up. You couldn't get close to him. He 530 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: wasn't He wasn't a super touchy feely guy. He was 531 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: a worker. He just wanted to work. And whether that 532 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: was you know, stealing construction materials so we could build 533 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: a house for us or himself, or Robin jewelry stores, 534 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: it was it was part of making a living for him. 535 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: But he had a criminal mind, honey. Because one of 536 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: the things that I was so impressed by was back 537 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: in the day, and I remember this even from you know, 538 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: kid magazines, you could order like a little display case 539 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: type briefcase that had all this jewelry in it that 540 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: you could go around and sell, and then you collected 541 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: all the money and then they would send you back 542 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: the rings and the necklaces and bracelets the people ordered, 543 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: and you could go around your neighborhood and deliver them. Well, 544 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: when that case came, several of us in the neighborhood thought, hey, 545 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: we could just sell this stuff and it's one hundred 546 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: percent profit because they sent it to us. And we 547 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: thought that's a great thing. But your dad realized something 548 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: that back in the day, the way jewelry stores got 549 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: a lot of their inventory was from door to door salesman. Now, 550 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 1: explain how he said, Okay, this is what we're going 551 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: to do. 552 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: I mean, that was the landscape back then. Back then 553 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: it was there weren't any. 554 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: Huge jewelry chain stores like Jared. 555 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: There were mom and pop stores you went to, you know, 556 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: Bob's Diamond discount emporium. Yeah, well, you know, and my 557 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: dad was always sort of on the fringe of this business. 558 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 2: So basically you had maybe three or four companies, you know, 559 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: in the country that were importing or exporting gold or 560 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: diamonds from anywhere. The only place right now I think 561 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: that you could melt down a gold bar is Maine. 562 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 3: You know that it's not It's not an easy thing 563 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 3: to do or to find. 564 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: And I could be totally wrong on that, but when 565 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: I was on America's Most Wanted that's what they robbed 566 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: a tractor trailer truck that and they wanted me to 567 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: comment on the case, and that's where they were headed 568 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: to have the gold bars melted down. 569 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: And they were robbed. So, long story short, the jewelry 570 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 3: landscape was these these. 571 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: Uh traveling salesmen would travel with a company's entire product 572 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: line in their trunk. So you'd have to have a 573 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: pretty elaborate car if that car was going to be 574 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: insured for the amount of jewelry that they were carrying 575 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: in it. 576 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 3: So in some of the robberies when we went after 577 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: these guys. 578 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: We had to get past, you know, three different locks 579 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: in the back to open the trunk and one of 580 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: you know, two of them set off the alarm and 581 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: one of them actually opened the trunk and getting past 582 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: multiple different little security measures just to appease an insurance company. 583 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: And then from there, if you were a traveling salesman, 584 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: you had to be armed. So those are the people 585 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: we tended to target. So we knew somebody like that 586 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 2: in the industry. So my code defended Bill was somebody 587 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: who was on the inside of that lifestyle of the 588 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: jewelry traveling salesman. He had his own territory for a 589 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: company and he knew all the other guys doing it. 590 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: So he would just say, Hey, that guy on Tuesday, 591 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: drive from here to here because I see him, and 592 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: we could hit him while he was in between jewelry 593 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: stores because we knew what he had in his trunk, 594 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: and that's who we went. 595 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: That was probably of the twenty two robberies. I would 596 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: say ten of them were that scenario. 597 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes, if you win in the store, your dad made 598 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: sure if y'all got inside the store, you use the 599 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: store owner's name, so that what was reported back from 600 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: the traveling salesman it looked like an inside job. 601 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was for the methuin. 602 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: So I can tell you that for every job, everybody 603 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: that we hit was dirty. So the first thing that 604 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: you have to I think the best thing to do 605 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: if you're ever going to embark on a lifestyle like 606 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: this is realize that the best people to steal from 607 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 2: are other thieves. 608 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. 609 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: The first scenario that my father presented us with was 610 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: he was ripped off by somebody in the trade. 611 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: So it was almost automatic, it was. 612 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: So it was just such a cowboy reaction. 613 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, let's get him dad. 614 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 2: So and after it was hey, I don't think we'll 615 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: ever do this again until the second robbery, when we're 616 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: standing inside of a jewelry store and we're going to 617 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: take a guy down and cuff him to a sink 618 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: in the back, and we had a whole elaborate plan 619 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: to pull it off, and then we end up walking 620 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: away and not doing it. And then the third scenario 621 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: where we were taking down one of these traveling salesmen 622 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: and we set up our own storefront. So every situation 623 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 2: was different, but every single person we robbed was dirty. 624 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: They were somebody that had already claimed a false robbery 625 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: on themselves, so we knew once the police rolled up, 626 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 2: the police were going to be like, okay, third time 627 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: this year. 628 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 3: What's going on with you? 629 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 2: And you know, reputation wise, it hurts you because the 630 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 2: company you work for is you know, they get paid 631 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: the insurance money back. And then we were finding out 632 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: that these people were making double and triple the insurance claims. 633 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: They were saying that we stole three times what we 634 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: actually did. So it's just so dirty. 635 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: It's such a dirty field. 636 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: The jewelries like the drug trade, so it wasn't hard 637 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 2: to find people that were ripping people off to. 638 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: Go after Brian as a crew. Did y'all have rules? 639 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: Like did you say we're only going to spend this 640 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: amount of time, We're only going to target these people, 641 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: were not going to use guns, nobody's going to get hurt. Like, 642 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: what rules did y'all have? 643 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 2: That's a great question because there's a podcast episode I 644 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 2: have on my podcast that is called the Rules. 645 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 3: Of m Robbery. 646 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: The reason the reason I loved doing my podcast was 647 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: because I had the opportunity to record calls with my 648 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 2: dad before he died, so that you could actually hear 649 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 2: his voice talking about this and hear how like proud 650 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: he is of this. But I remember, and I didn't 651 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 2: even know that we were following a code of rules. 652 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: But talking to my dad in recording these calls, I 653 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: realized he. 654 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, we had rules. I said, Dad, what 655 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 3: were they? And it was just what you said. It was. 656 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 2: You know, we're only going after people that we know 657 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: are bad. We never go after women or children. We 658 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: never heard anybody trying to think of anything else specifically. Oh, 659 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 2: the last most important is no bullets and Kev's gun. Okay, 660 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 2: so my brother, if if you saw a picture of 661 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 2: my brother, you would say to yourself. Somebody shaved in 662 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 2: albino gorilla and just pissed it off like that. 663 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 3: That's basically and he was integral. He was integral in. 664 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: All of the robberies because if you look at me, 665 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: you know I'm not the muscle man. Listen, if I 666 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 2: so many people will aft me find out what I 667 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: had done, what I've done, will say hey, did you 668 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 2: have a gun? 669 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I have one hundred and fifty pounds. 670 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 3: I'm five nine. 671 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: If I ask you to give me all of your 672 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 2: stuff right now, you're gonna look at me and you're 673 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 2: gonna say, I think I can take the kid. When 674 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 2: my brother just asks you for all of your stuff, 675 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 2: you're probably already handing it over to him. He just 676 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 2: was a menacing monster of a I mean, think Lenny 677 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: from of Mice and Men, you know, and with that 678 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 2: same gentle mentalitality, he will kill you while hugging you 679 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: because he loves you like that. 680 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 3: That's the power that this kid had. 681 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 2: And he was the guy that just went in and 682 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 2: got everything subdued so that me and my dad could 683 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 2: go in afterwards and sweep the place. My dad was 684 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 2: always in charge of getting the safe in the back, 685 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 2: and I was always in charge of the cases in 686 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 2: the front. And it's funny because the cases in the front, 687 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: everybody thinks, you know, you get to smash with a 688 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 2: ball peed him of those cases. 689 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 3: I was excited for it. I'm practicing the night before, 690 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 3: thinking I'm just gonna smash and grab everything inside. But 691 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 3: that's not what happens. It's those those cases. 692 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: Are reinforced glass, so there's a lining of plastic between 693 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 2: two panes of glass. So when you smash it, you 694 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 2: just get a hole in that glass the size of 695 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 2: your hammer head, and then you kind of pull the 696 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 2: hammer out and you hit it again, and then there's 697 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 2: another little tiny hole, not that you could put your 698 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 2: hand in, because if you pull it out, you're gonna 699 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 2: pull back a bloody stump. 700 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 3: So then you can hit it again. 701 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 2: And this stuff is designed not to break away, so 702 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 2: you're just hitting hole after hole after hole, and by 703 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 2: then you're way past the ninety seconds of the most 704 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 2: of the response times of most cops. Right, so you 705 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 2: get ninety seconds inside a store before most cops can 706 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 2: respond to that from anywhere they are in the city. 707 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 2: So that was our ninety second rule. If if we 708 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 2: thought that there was any silent alarm that could call 709 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 2: out all. 710 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: Right, ninety seconds is quick. 711 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 2: It is very quick, so you have to know exactly 712 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 2: what you're going after, which is why potentially any of 713 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 2: the cases in a store that are close to the door, 714 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 2: or even the window display stuff are fake. There's nothing 715 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 2: in that display case that it's brass and glass. 716 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: All those beautiful winds that you're walking by on the 717 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: street at Tiffany's fake. 718 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 2: It's either that or that glass is impossible to get through. 719 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 2: Like I said, you can't just smash it and it 720 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 2: shatters the way you think. It's going to create a 721 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 2: little tiny hole that you can't reach into. And the 722 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 2: more you hit it, the more you just. 723 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 3: Get more holes. 724 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 2: Like it's not even that you could hit it twice 725 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 2: and make a bigger hole, You just get. 726 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 3: Another little tiny hole. 727 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 2: It is one of the most frustrating things I've ever 728 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 2: had to do in my life. 729 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: And to your point that that glass at Tiffany's or 730 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: any storefront window is going to be, you know, lined 731 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: with an alarm. 732 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's because there was probably ten full years 733 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 2: in the eighties that smashing grabs were a huge thing 734 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 2: you could do well going. 735 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 3: You know, just there's a. 736 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 2: We call it the Jewelers District in Boston, and you know, 737 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 2: the whole bottom retail is jewelry stores with windows that 738 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 2: are trying to glitter a little bit more than the 739 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 2: guy next door. So you want to have, you know, 740 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 2: brilliant window displays, but not if somebody's coming by with 741 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 2: a ballpeede hammer, smashing your glass and running away with 742 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 2: half of that stuff. 743 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: And to your point, you smash glass, you could easily 744 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: leave some DNA behind. 745 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 3: Oh listen, if you even survived, glass will rip you apart. Man. 746 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 2: Every single time I see Ben Affleck fly through a window, 747 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,959 Speaker 2: people don't understand, and that would rip you to shreds. 748 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 2: All of that glass would cut you in so many 749 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 2: places that it would nick four arteries and you'd be 750 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 2: dead before you hit the ground. 751 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:10,439 Speaker 1: Right. 752 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 3: No, Ben's okay, Ben's okay. 753 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: Right. So you decide to do this podcast, which I 754 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: think is pretty powerful. I do think it's great that 755 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: you captured your dad. I can't imagine losing your dad 756 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: and your brother on the same day. But what you're 757 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: doing with it, I think is important. Your training law enforcement. 758 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: You're helping stores keep their inventory safe. I mean, you're 759 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: like a real catch me if you can. And you know, 760 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: you know things that the average person doesn't know. You 761 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: know the eight hundred percent mark up. You know what's fake, 762 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: what's not fake. You know how to get through the 763 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: glass if possible. You know how to set people up, 764 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: you know who to target. I mean, there's a lot 765 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 1: that goes into it that you do know because you've 766 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: lived it, which I think is the most important thing. 767 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: And that's why I preach and I preach and I 768 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: preach go to the source. I mean, you asked me earlier, 769 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: even though I did practice with the latter and going 770 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: in and out of a winda. Had I ever stolen 771 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: anything well, I mean other than Walt's hard No. So 772 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about a candy bar here and there, 773 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: something like the mascot of our rival. Nothing significant, nothing 774 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: that took great you know, bravery and guts to do 775 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: So again, I think it's important to go to the 776 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: person who knows, which is you. So Brian, I'm going 777 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 1: to give you the last word. Whether it's about the lover, 778 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: whether it's about your career, whether it's about a combination, 779 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: whatever you think people need to know about being a 780 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: jewel thief for working a fence, or how do you 781 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: get rid of something? Whatever you want us to know, 782 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: do it? Well, the eight year old maj just quit 783 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: listening to you. 784 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 3: No, don't do it. I'll tell you. 785 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 2: The downfall of it, in all honesty, is that it's 786 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 2: very difficult to be an ex convict in this country. 787 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 3: Yesterday I was turned down for a job because of it. 788 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 2: Offered the job you could have this, we love you, 789 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 2: and then oh, we're doing a background check and I say, hey, well, 790 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 2: you know I have a m robbery from back in 791 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. Sorry, can't, can't hire you. So it's 792 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 2: still happening to me decades past, you know, paying. 793 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 3: My debt to society if you will. 794 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 2: And it's and it has been a difficulty since I got 795 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 2: out of prison. So if I was gonna and I 796 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 2: go and speak at schools constantly, I teach kids stand 797 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 2: up comedy, and you know, I am trying my hardest 798 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 2: to use my story to do something positive with it. 799 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 2: That's why America has most wanted called me. They're like, hey, 800 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 2: we always show the bad guys. We want to show 801 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 2: a bad guy that actually turned his life around. 802 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 3: I think that's why I was chosen for. 803 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 2: A reality show. It wasn't the Hey, this guy did 804 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 2: a bunch of bad stuff. It was Hey, there's a 805 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 2: redemption story here. 806 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 3: Yep. 807 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: That's the reason I called you. 808 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 2: I think the last word for me is, you know, 809 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 2: you can always redeem yourself, and you know, consequences are 810 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 2: typically far reaching, especially on that level. So there's a 811 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 2: line in society that once you cross it, your consequences 812 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 2: are you know, become much further reaching than you could 813 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 2: ever possibly think. At fifty five, I'm still sort of 814 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 2: feeling the sting of Hey, I screwed up a very 815 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 2: long time ago, and I'm still being judged for it, 816 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 2: and and that's tough. So thank you for the opportunity 817 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:02,959 Speaker 2: to have the last word. 818 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,240 Speaker 1: Brian. I appreciate you. I appreciate you coming. 819 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 2: I knew we were going to be fast friends. You've 820 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 2: said that I think that Yosemite Sam could be your dad. 821 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 2: That's how what I pickture right now is as as 822 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 2: your guy just being I'll kill that varment. 823 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: Let me tell you my dad was hilarious and he 824 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 1: entertained all my antics. Whenever I would, you know, make 825 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: these announcements that I wanted to be a jewel thief. 826 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,919 Speaker 1: You know, he just found me funny, which was good, 827 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: but he would always tell me, you know, use it 828 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: for good. All these things you're figuring out. So I 829 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: just appreciate you and you're honesty and talking to us, 830 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: because again I believe in going to the source. 831 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 3: So thank you again, Brian, Thank you, love your podcast, 832 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. 833 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: For having me on y'all. I'm going to end Zone 834 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: seven the way that I always do with a quote, 835 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 1: life is before us, and if you wish at dawn, 836 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: we'll have a secret behind us William Powell from the 837 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: movie Jewel Robbery nineteen thirty two. I'm Cheryl McCollum and 838 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: this is Zone seven.