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Speaker 1: The college football Playoff is upon us. This is our

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Speaker 1: last episode before twenty twenty four, So let Dan and

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Speaker 1: I be the first to wish you and yours a

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Speaker 1: happy New year. Wherever this podcast may find you. On Monday,

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Speaker 1: whatever brings you good luck in the new year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you get to wash it down with two great

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Speaker 1: matchups that we're going to preview on this episode. Alabama

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Speaker 1: versus Michigan in the Rose Bowl, Texas versus Washington in

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Speaker 1: the Sugar Today's episode is the preview of those two

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Speaker 1: big games. Dan Rubinstein, how are you good, sir?

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Speaker 2: I'm great. I cannot wait to talk about these games.

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Speaker 2: I cannot talk about I cannot wait to talk about

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Speaker 2: Still my favorite time of big game college football. I

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Speaker 2: prefer the regular season. I've talked about loving Week ten,

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Speaker 2: but I'm always gonna love and cherish the specialness of

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Speaker 2: the year turning over and having some enormous matchups, even

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Speaker 2: with opt outs, even with the portal, even with recruiting,

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Speaker 2: even with coaches leaving. You can't take that sort of

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Speaker 1: You absolutely cannot. Today we're going to talk you through,

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Speaker 1: twenty four. So hopefully get off on a high note

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Speaker 1: But I feel like we should probably just dive right in.

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Speaker 1: It's we've waited way too long to talk about these games.

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Speaker 1: The week Monday, January one, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yes, can I make a request please, Can we start

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Speaker 2: out each of these previews with the segment I like

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Speaker 2: to call vibes and just talk about what you feel

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Speaker 2: about the game overall, and the vibe that and the

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Speaker 2: evolution of the vibes around each of the teams we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about over the course of the season,

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Speaker 2: Like I want to know your starting point or vibes.

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Speaker 1: Guys, here's what vibes, guys.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: This is the first of two college football Playoff semi finals,

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Speaker 1: this one being played at the Rose Bowl Game presented

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Speaker 1: by Prudential. Not a sponsor could be got the cool rock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Number four Alabama twelve and one, number one one, Michigan

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Speaker 1: thirteen and zero. This point spreads jumped around a fair amount,

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Speaker 1: So we will talk about vibes. I guess with that

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Speaker 1: And I think the vibes that strike me when I

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Speaker 1: football fans as a whole, are extremely unlikable given circumstances. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's a very very unique setup in that you've got Alabama,

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Speaker 2: So on the Michigan vibe is. I try not to

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Speaker 2: But you get the idea that, like, Michigan's winning because

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Speaker 2: that's where I stand where it's just like, man, Alabama

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Speaker 2: Fair or not, that's the initial vibe I have going

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Speaker 1: who he's going to win that game. Now, there are

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Speaker 1: Michigan's certainly number one for a reason, and we can

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Speaker 2: Look, we've seen recent Michigan playoff games and they didn't

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Speaker 2: apples to apples comparable. And by and large, we've seen

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Speaker 2: nick pick Alabama and unless they're playing Georgia, unless they're

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Speaker 2: By and large, there is something that makes it feel

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Speaker 2: really it's just like, guys, we've been here before. Alabama

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Speaker 2: wins these games. Like unless you have a Heisman caliber

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Speaker 2: have a Heisman caliber quarterback, unless you have NFL players,

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Speaker 2: especially on offense against Alabama. The teams that beat Alabama

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Speaker 2: Like there's something unstoppable about a team's explosivity on offense

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Speaker 1: What is the biggest question for you for.

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Speaker 2: talk about Michigan versus the world, it's JJ McCarthy versus

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Speaker 2: an opponent's end zone. They have not been matching up lately,

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Speaker 2: and that's the worry for me. Is that the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I want to know who your receivers are. I want

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Speaker 2: that Chris Braswell, Dallas Turner whoever, don't really stand a

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Speaker 2: of things. Two things that are explosive. And I love

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Speaker 2: that Michigan has a very specific identity. I think everybody

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Speaker 2: My issue is that largely didn't work for four quarters

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Speaker 2: And so if you're not able to generate those types

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Speaker 2: outcomes based on types of performances. So that's the concern

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Speaker 2: to me with Michigan. On defense. For Michigan, I'm not

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Speaker 2: not worried about a Naji Harris type in Alabama's backfield.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's just the complimentary aspect of if Michigan's

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Speaker 2: to get into at a certain point, this Michigan defense

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Speaker 2: won't hold up. And it's not because of lack of talent.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's how does the Michigan defense react to

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Speaker 2: For good reason.

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Speaker 1: I just appreciate the fact that Alabama can ask new

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Speaker 1: A scheme like this puts a lot of press sure

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Speaker 2: The other element though, of that is this is when

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Speaker 2: it gives Michael Barrett, Junior Colson, whoever, Mason Graham something

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Speaker 1: It's a great point. It's a really really great point.

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Speaker 1: You do see schemes change. It has not been the

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Speaker 2: Look. Oregon ran justin Herbert zero times, it felt like,

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Speaker 2: Things change, and so this is when they change.

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Speaker 1: This is when they change when you have a month

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Speaker 1: we're talking a lot about Jalen Milroe. Right, for good reason,

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Speaker 1: If Michigan is keeping Milrow in the pocket, if they

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Speaker 1: That's not to say Milroe can't get to that point.

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Speaker 1: I have doubts on that. He's very talented. His game

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, the number of guys that are

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Speaker 2: When you talk about, like who makes that one big flub.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean outside of the big mistake, Right outside

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Speaker 1: This is a very veteran Michigan team that has been

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Speaker 1: But can they can they reach inside that hat and

435
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: do it for a third time? That's maybe asking too much.

436
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong, and a man. I the thing bigger

437
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 2: picture that I come down to with Alabama that is

438
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: both worrisome and encouraging. It's finding where the stars are

439
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: for both of these teams and where the star power is.

440
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: I think Alabama has a good amount of it on defense.

441
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 2: The line got better over the course of the year

442
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: on offense, but offensive skill wise, I'm not fully there

443
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: with Alabama. I think they have guys who can meet.

444
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: Certainly big moments with Jaylen Miill rode to Isaiah Bond

445
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 2: in the back left corner against Auburn, but previously, previously

446
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: in Alabama football, we've seen star power emerge over the

447
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: course of the year. Michigan has never really relied on

448
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: a ton of star power. This year, I would argue

449
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: it's probably much more on defense. Like I think Blake

450
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 2: Korum is good, but I don't think you can Blake

451
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: Korham your way to a win against Alabama. I think

452
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: Donovan Edwards is good. He's been largely silent this year.

453
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: I felt like he was like the big play guy

454
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: last year and was supposed to emerge this year and

455
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: just didn't. Receiver Michigan I think is lesser than Alabama,

456
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Speaker 2: and I think in these moments with time, I just

457
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: think Alabama has more stars, more guys who can make

458
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 2: star plays. And so I think you're totally right about

459
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: you know, the age and the experience and the chemistry,

460
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Speaker 2: and you know, Michigan pulling out gutty wins against Penn

461
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: State and Ohio State, like there isn't a good amount

462
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Speaker 2: that is needed, you know, grit and gumption to pull

463
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Speaker 2: out those types of games. But I think there's a

464
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Speaker 2: speed factor with Alabama and again a star power thing

465
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Speaker 2: with Alabama. That Michigan has the best players in the

466
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Speaker 2: Big Ten by and large. You look at Ohio State's

467
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: roster this year and the performance this year, I think

468
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 2: it's fair to say I still don't think it's on

469
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Speaker 2: Alabama's level.

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Speaker 1: And interesting to me is.

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Speaker 2: That, to me is the big thing, and Alabama doesn't

472
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Speaker 2: have the star power that they've had in recent years,

473
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Speaker 2: necessarily on the inside of the defensive line. At linebacker,

474
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: by the way, Caleb Downs is just a complete freak

475
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: at safety for Alabama as a freshman to play here.

476
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: Alabama is also starting a true freshman at left tackle

477
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Speaker 2: and has been for I think most of not all

478
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Speaker 2: of the year, in Caden Procter. So maybe that's an

479
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: advantageous matchup for Michigan here that Caden Procter is likely

480
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: going to be very very good for Michigan, but team's

481
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 2: eight against him that first half of the year. He

482
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: was very good against Georgia, didn't allow much. But that's

483
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Speaker 2: still to me in this moment, Like we're going to

484
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Speaker 2: talk about JJ McCarthy as a Heisman caliber quarterback then

485
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: doesn't throw a touchdown for however many straight weeks, right,

486
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: doesn't have big games fades and you can argue, well,

487
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Speaker 2: that's the sign stealing stuff. He didn't know when blitzes

488
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: were coming. He didn't know, you know what, different formations.

489
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Speaker 1: We're not going to make that point. I'm not making.

490
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Speaker 2: I know, I know. But we're also talking about no

491
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: long touchdown drives against Iowa. We're talking about a pretty

492
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: good performance against Ohio State. Didn't throw the ball at

493
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Speaker 2: all against Penn State. Maybe he was beat up, maybe

494
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: it was an offensive line beat up thing. But I

495
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: don't know which of these coaches is more confident their

496
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Speaker 2: quarterback on third and nine. I think it's Tommy Reese

497
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: and Nick Saban more than JJ McCarthy With Sharon Moore

498
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Speaker 2: and Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: What is your official prediction?

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Speaker 2: Then, I think I have Alabama winning this game. What's

501
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: the spread at the time we're recording this.

502
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Speaker 1: At the time of recording, it's two in favor of Michigan.

503
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: Two in favor of Michigan. I have Alabama winning this

504
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: game twenty seven to twenty four.

505
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: I have Alabama winning this game twenty seven to twenty four.

506
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Is really twenty seven to twenty four.

507
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 2: I don't think a team is scoring thirty against this

508
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: Michigan defense. I think they're gonna be able to get

509
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: off the field enough. I think they're probably gonna be

510
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: able to turn over Jalen Milroe once to flip field.

511
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: I just I don't see how this Michigan offense unless

512
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: this offensive line, which is beat up, mind you, without

513
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: their starting right guard in Zach Ziner if I don't

514
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: see a universe in which this Michigan offensive line bullies

515
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: Alabama for four quarters.

516
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Speaker 1: Look, you're you're all probably tired of hearing me say it,

517
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Speaker 1: but I did pick Michigan to win the National Championship.

518
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: Back in and you're backing away.

519
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: I am backing away. Things change. I know I have

520
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: a real vested interest in wanting them to win. Here,

521
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: it is a compelling matchup, in part because of the

522
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: x's and o's that we've been talking.

523
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Speaker 2: So then you can't take credit if Michigan wins the

524
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: National Championship if.

525
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Speaker 1: I bet on both sides of it. If I say

526
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: I picked them in the preseason and pick Alabama, now

527
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: I think I'm covered on both bases. I'm fine one

528
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: way or the other.

529
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: How are you? No? No, you can't just hedge.

530
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Speaker 1: My damn show. My name's on the show, oh ty

531
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: spineless move from you. Listen, I'm gonna pick Alabama. I'm

532
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: picking Alabama.

533
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Speaker 2: It's okay to pick Alabama.

534
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: But is being coy? This is me being koy here.

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00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: It's a compelling matchup. The x's and o's bit makes

536
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: it very interesting. The storylines make it incredibly interesting. You

537
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: could argue that neither team should be there. I posted something,

538
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: as I said earlier on X I zeeded it out.

539
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: People said they're rooting for a medior.

540
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: Don't talk about your zeing habits on this show time.

541
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Speaker 1: They're rooting for a meteor, which sounds about right. I

542
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: think this is a very very good football game. I

543
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: think it's close. I've got Alabama also winning for the

544
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: third straight game by a twenty seven to twenty four margin.

545
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ever happened in the history

546
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: of college football. Probably won't happen again because I called

547
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: it out here twenty seven to twenty four. And I

548
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: do have a themed bet that encompasses both the Rose

549
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: Bowl as well as the Sugar Bowl, which I'll get

550
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: to a little bit later on in the end.

551
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: What worries you most, like what specific matchup worries you

552
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: the most about Alabama winning? Like, is it Jalen Milroe

553
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 2: throwing into the Michigan secondary Oh?

554
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, Okay, absolutely yeah. If he can't, if he

555
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: can't break contain, and if they can't schematically put him

556
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: in positions to make the linebackers make a choice, right,

557
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: it's ballgame. They're not winning. They're not winning in that matchup. If,

558
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: like I said, if he's in the pocket having to

559
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: like be the John Elway, Yeah, precision passer, they're not

560
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna win. That's not his game.

561
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: Any other X factors. Jim Harbaugh wise, Nick Saban wise, like,

562
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: I kind of think it's going to be more Michigan

563
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: people in the Rose Bowl, Like, I kind of think

564
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: it's gonna be maze and Blue smothering Pasadena more so

565
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: than Alabama, because remember a lot of your Alabama's, your Georgia's,

566
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: your Clemsons. Whoever, when they end up in a four

567
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: team playoff, it has happened so often for them that

568
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: a lot of fans have to think like should we

569
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: get Rose tickets or should we hold off for Houston?

570
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: Whereas I think Michigan fans are going to meet. You

571
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: have the Michigan history with the Rose Bowl, and I

572
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: think the Michigan fan base is spread around the country

573
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: a lot more than Alabama's. I think there is going

574
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: to be a bigger Michigan presence in Pasadena.

575
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: I'd rather go to the Rose Bul no offense to Houston. Well, yeah,

576
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: I'd rather go to the Rose Bull. It's a cathedral

577
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: for college football and much rather go there.

578
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is something about everything has been pointed to

579
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: this season, right. JJ McCarthy has the experience, You have

580
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: all the upperclassmen on both sides of the ball. You

581
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: have the like the tribal feel of Michigan versus the

582
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: world that you know, Michigan fans are particularly galvanized close

583
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: loss a year ago. Yeah, right, that you're building on now. Yeah,

584
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: I think that is something to monitor, that the rose

585
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: ball could be so overwhelmingly, not overwhelmingly, but like sixty

586
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: five thirty five or something Michigan.

587
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: All right, Dan, we agree to an alarming amount here.

588
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: Before I go any further, I just wanted to call

589
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: this out.

590
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: You know.

591
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: According to legend, yeah, William Tell is a Swiss folk

592
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: hero who shot an apple off of his son's head

593
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Speaker 1: November eighteenth, thirteen oh seven year out. Lord. So that

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Speaker 1: brings us to an important part of this episode, which

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Speaker 1: I'm going to call the Apple Podcasts overture of the Day.

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Speaker 1: This is a review we got from pad Foot Seat

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Speaker 1: the best dang podcast in all the land, A visionary

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Speaker 1: in the world of sports podcast Dan entire the most creative,

599
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: insightful and fun loving podcasters in this world and in

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Speaker 1: all of our power parallel universes as well. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: pad Foot.

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Speaker 2: I wonder who I'm podcasting with in a parallel universe.

603
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Do have a body double out?

604
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: Some people said it's me and Sam Miller talking about

605
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: like the Orioles Farm System.

606
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: Some people have said that my body double is Matt

607
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Speaker 1: Brown of the Extra Points Newsletter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the eyebrows.

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Speaker 1: I think is it the eyebrows thing?

610
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Is the big overlap there? Yeah?

611
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: Maybe dark hair. Yeah, I like, Matt, let's go to

612
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: our second game. I'm gonna play this again. It's probably

613
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: the second to last time. I'm going to play it

614
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: all year because we'll do a National Championship preview. We'll

615
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: play it then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I like to get enough mileage out of that sound.

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Speaker 1: We love it. Second one, they kick it off at

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Speaker 1: eight forty five Eastern. I've got a bone to pick

620
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: with that. Living in the Eastern time zone.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna be able to get like a coffee,

622
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: nap in or something before the rose?

623
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Speaker 1: I can't nap.

624
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: I can't nap.

625
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm not good at it. I've never been good at him.

626
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be pumping coffee by that time. We have

627
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Speaker 1: we decided, I get I guess we haven't decided yet

628
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: because people have asked. Yeah, we haven't decided yet. If

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Speaker 1: we're going to record late at night on January one,

630
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Speaker 1: I guess technically January two, or if we're just gonna

631
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Speaker 1: go and hit record very early on the second of

632
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Speaker 1: January in either case. In either case, there will be

633
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Speaker 1: a recap episode in your podcast feed on January the second.

634
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Speaker 1: It's just a question of we'll be really early or

635
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Speaker 1: we'll be a little bit later. But we are committed

636
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Speaker 1: to that. So as you're going back to work, maybe

637
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: as you're sleeping off the New Year's Day hangover, whatever

638
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: you're into. Whatever you're into, the pork and sauer kraut

639
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: got you staying in bed a little bit. Whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing, pork and sauerkraut. Oh, it's very much

641
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: a thing.

642
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: Is like a German thing.

643
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: It's a Germanic thing here that's very popular in Pennsylvania.

644
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you like it?

645
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: I hate it?

646
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, what will you be eating late night, like during

647
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Speaker 2: the the Washington Texas game?

648
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not going to be eating poor in sauerkraut.

649
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: That's gonna I.

650
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: Would love that, just hand fistfuls of pork and sauerkraut.

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00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be a toilet run during the recording

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Speaker 1: or during the stream if we end up doing a stream.

653
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Speaker 1: Are we doing a stream for this? Is that the plan?

654
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do a stream. Let's do Soliverble after dark

655
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: for Texas Washington as vad Yeah, I'm making pizza. I

656
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: think at halftime of Michigan Alabama, we're having Michigan people.

657
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: Over the second of two playoff semi finals again eight

658
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: forty five the All State Sugar Bowl, the traditional time slot.

659
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: Number three Texas at twelve and one is a four

660
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite at time of recording over

661
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: number two Washington. Washington went thirteen and oh. The over

662
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: under for this game is sixty three and a half.

663
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: So our friends in the desert feeling out some points

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Speaker 1: in this matchup. Again, they played this one in the

665
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: super Dome in New Orleans. Just to give you full context, here,

666
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: sp plus has Texas by seven or six. Excuse me,

667
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: the time machine projects Texas by four right on the number.

668
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: What are the vibes?

669
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: Me? Give me the vibes here the vibes are.

670
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: Each of these teams had super interesting seasons that make

671
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: it difficult to nail down exactly what the vibe is.

672
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: But for Washington it has been you know, good or bad,

673
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 2: up or down. Michael Pennix will see this team through

674
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: with those receivers, and the vibe for Texas has been

675
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: I think growing up would be the best way to talk,

676
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: like the way that Texas was losing games last year

677
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: and the way that they were winning those losable games

678
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: this year gave me the sense, you know, dealing with

679
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: the injuries they dealt with this year, most notably Jonathan

680
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 2: Brooks at running back, and this has been a really

681
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: good running team this year, that there is a maturing Texas.

682
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: There is a the like finding a way Texas and

683
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: when they should be blowing a team out late in

684
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: the year like Oklahoma State or Texas Tech, they rose

685
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: to the occasion in large part because of defense, which

686
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: I think is you know, we talked about this with

687
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: Bruce Feldman too, not to sort of echo too many

688
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: of his words, but it's just sort of Steve Sarkisian

689
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: learning how to win these types of games cleanly and

690
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: with separation rather than playing down. And so absolutely Texas

691
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: had moments where they played down this year. But I think,

692
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: if you know, we're going to go back to the

693
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: old court case of Shower v. Grower, I think Texas

694
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: is growing, whereas I think Washington meets a lot of

695
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: moments impressively, but they haven't been a separation type team

696
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: this year, right That I think is the difference in vibe,

697
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: and you come to expect this level of success from

698
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: Texas because of how they recruit and because of like

699
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 2: what the obvious performance ceiling is for the defensive line,

700
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: for Quinn Yours, for Xavier Worthy, like for you know, J. T. Sanders,

701
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: for to Andre Sweat. You understand the level that they

702
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: can rise to. It has just been like have they

703
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: been a disjointed product or have they been a cohesive product?

704
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: And by and large, especially with the healthy Quinn Yours

705
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: this year, they've been pretty cohesive. Whereas Washington, I think

706
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: right or wrong has been more defined by one specific

707
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: aspect of how they play, and it's gotten them out

708
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: of jams. It's looked crazy impressive at times, but there

709
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: hasn't been an obvious linear path for Washington in the

710
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: same way for me that Texas has shown.

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00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the vibes are on the Texas side.

712
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: Holy crap, Texas is back back. Made it to this

713
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: stage is certainly notable. I mean, they've been trying to

714
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: get here for a generation and the fact that they're

715
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: there now obviously, I don't think Steve Sarkisian is going

716
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: to build the mindset that this is good enough, But

717
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: for sure getting back here is big deal. I'm kind

718
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: of on the fence when we talk about vibes because

719
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: it feels like there have been up and down qualities

720
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: to the Texas season.

721
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: Sure, of course, the Houston game, the TCU game. Yeah, definitely.

722
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: And that's not to say it's been different on the

723
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: Washington side, because Washington has played a lot of close games.

724
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: But I think the vibes that I pick up with Washington,

725
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: and you know this well being an Oregon fan, in

726
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: two big games, really big games where most of the

727
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: college football universe thought that they were going to be overmatched.

728
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: In both cases, they've found a way to do it right.

729
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: And so the vibes on the Washington side totally separate

730
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: from Michael Pennix. At least for me. Winning is a skill.

731
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: You say it all the time. Who's got that skill

732
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: more this season than Washington. This is a battle tested

733
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: team that has been in a lot of close games,

734
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: and the fact that they have found a way to

735
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: emerge thirteen to zero in the face of all of that,

736
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: having to play weird games against like Arizona State and

737
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: really odd circumstances that a team like this should not

738
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: find itself in they have still found ways to do it.

739
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: So for me, this is the ultimate head heart matchup

740
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: as we try to project this thing forward. My head

741
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: looks at Texas and it says they're a really solid team,

742
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: far from perfect, but solid. Sark has done a good

743
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: job building a solid team that doesn't have a whole

744
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: lot of flaws. My heart, though, and we've been saying

745
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: this now for a couple of weeks, my heart is

746
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: tired of picking against Washington. I'm just tired of it.

747
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: And I should note that's not to say that Washington

748
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: is a scrappy upstart. Washington's an incredible team in its

749
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: own right. They are deserving of our respect. They rubbed

750
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: your face in it twice.

751
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.

752
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it's like, do I want to go

753
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: with what I see on paper, which feels like a

754
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: slight advantage for Texas, or do I want to go

755
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: with my heart and with what I've seen with my

756
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: own eyes, and that is Washington just finds a way

757
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: to win these games.

758
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: It's a good question. And yeah, Klen Debor, I think

759
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: it's Kalen Debor's phrase. It's just like winners win, right

760
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: before the game, during the game, winners win, and he

761
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: puts that choice on his players that like, that's the

762
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: headspace he puts them in. He was like, let's not

763
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: overthink this, winners win, decide what you are on the

764
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: field right now. And it has been very impressive from

765
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: Washington in those moments. I think there's an interesting difference

766
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: in quarterback quality faced for these two teams. Like you

767
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: look at what Texas faced this year. You get early

768
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: stage Jalen Molroe, who was not fully formed, but like,

769
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: let's not discount the threat of Jalen Molroe. That was

770
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: a very impressive win from Texas going to Tuscaloosa and

771
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: winning that game. But in the Big twelve, you throw

772
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: some of the names you're throwing at me and Donovan

773
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: Smith and who was it for Texas tech Baron Morton.

774
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: Like I think I believe Will Howard played in the

775
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: game against He did play in the game, and it

776
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: was a Malik Murphy game and that was a nice close,

777
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: great escape from Texas because that was very difficult. But

778
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: beyond that, like what Washington has faced in bow Nicks twice,

779
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: an emerging Noah fafeeda DJU cam Ward like I mean,

780
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: Taylor Green early on in the season is sort of

781
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: a wild card. I don't know if i'd put them

782
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: in a top tier element of the quarterbacks they face,

783
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: but I think they're more tested in terms of what

784
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: they've seen and Texas, like like Josh Hoover kind of

785
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: threw all over Texas well.

786
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: And I'm glad to bring this up. This is a

787
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: perfect segue because we've been talking through the biggest questions

788
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: for either side. The biggest question for me on the

789
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: Texas side is whether their past defense is good enough

790
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: to hold down Michael Pennox right and an NFL caliber

791
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: receiving core, because they are prone to those chunk plays

792
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: and we've seen teams throw it down the field against

793
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: them all year, which is absolutely Michael Pennox in Washington's music. Now.

794
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: Texas also has very high success rates generally against the pass.

795
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: And I would add that this is not a blitz

796
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: heavy scheme, so they've been very good at playing coverage.

797
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know how that meshes with this Washington offense,

798
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: because one hundredth in the nation in blitzes per drop

799
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: back is great against most quarterbacks. Okay, yeah, if you

800
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: are giving Michael Pennox time to pick his spots. How

801
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: good is your secondary against that? I mean, we've seen

802
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: him throw guys open. This is a good pass defense.

803
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: I just wonder about that combination of allowing longer throws,

804
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: not blitzing much, not necessarily having an elite pass rush,

805
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: all of those things in totality. With Michael Pennix and

806
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: his receiving corps on the other side of things, I

807
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: think it's a fair question to ask, is this good

808
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: enough in a matchup like this against a quarterback who's

809
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: got a bit like he was breaking down? I think

810
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: a little bit towards the end of the season seems

811
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: like there was some burnout there, okay, emotional, physical, whatever.

812
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: But now with like a month to prepare, a month

813
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: to get in the right headspace, I just wonder if

814
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: this Texas pass defense has what it takes to hold

815
00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: a guy like that.

816
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, third downs are going to be enormous.

817
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: Both of these teams are outstanding and avoiding three and out.

818
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: I believe they're both top five in the nation. Texas's

819
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: third down defense is incredible. Washington's defense gets better over

820
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: the course of the game, as we've seen some very

821
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: strong fourth quarters from them, I don't have what is Washington?

822
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: What are their numbers? Washington's third down numbers on defense? Well,

823
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be clutch. Continue.

824
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: Can we pause on that front and come back? Sure,

825
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: because that's my biggest question about Washington. Okay, okay, but

826
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: keep going getting off the field right. Yeah. I think

827
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: all of those points are sounds. So if we're specifically

828
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: talking about Washington with the ball and Texas on defense,

829
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: while the pressure rate and the sacks aren't necessarily there,

830
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: I think it's going to come down to Washington's the

831
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: inside of Washington's offensive line.

832
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: Because their tackles are absolute studs. Washington's, yeah, they're good.

833
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: But Texas on the inside of their defensive line if

834
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: they're collapsing pockets. Michael Pennix, even though we talked about

835
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: this with Alabama and Jalen Molroe, is not His intention

836
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: is not to run all the time. I don't think

837
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: they're just like a specific universe in which Michael Pennix

838
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: is really looking to run at all. There might be

839
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: a couple of you know, called moments on third down

840
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: or in the red zone or something like that for

841
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: him to roll out and run if he sees something.

842
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: But otherwise they'll just you know, if they really want

843
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: to run out of the you know, the shotgun or whatever,

844
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: that they're just gonna line a running back up there.

845
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: That to me is fascinating. It's the collapse of the

846
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: inside of Washington's offensive line with Byron Murphy and Devandre Sweat,

847
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: who are if they're not the best defensive tackle duo

848
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: in the country, they're one of the best three or something.

849
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: So that to me is going to be fascinating. And

850
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: how much they can disrupt timing of the Washington offense

851
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: by immediately making Michael Pennox make a decision. And you

852
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: mentioned they don't blitz a lot, you know, Pekwakowski likes

853
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: to keep a safety or two safeties very deep. And

854
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: the other thing, the other element of this and not

855
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: to gloss over it. But it wasn't this year. Washington

856
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: beat Texas in the bowl game last year, that's right.

857
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: That's with these quarterbacks, with these defensive lines, Like a

858
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: lot of these players, it was a lot of nickel

859
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: and diming that they weren't going to let Washington beat

860
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: Texas over the top. I think Michael Pennix had like

861
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: five yards per attempt or something. But he did make

862
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: a ton of mistakes and the receivers did make plays,

863
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: albeit not really downfield, and Washington got a couple big

864
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: chunk plays on the ground. Different running back, it was

865
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: Wayne Taulapapa, i believe, But they did play not terribly

866
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: long ago with a lot of these same players indoors,

867
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: so weather wasn't a factor. And it was the Ala mobile,

868
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: I believe Sark yelled at some staffer who touched him

869
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: before they were out of the tunnel, if you remember.

870
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: But there is a little bit of relatively recent data

871
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: to sort of see how these coaches might scheme against

872
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: each other, and Washington was able to make more plays. Yeah,

873
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: it was this line against that line last year. Washington's

874
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: offensive line, they weren't caved in terribly often against Texas's

875
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: defensive line.

876
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: My biggest question in the Washington side, and you touched

877
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: on this a little bit, is whether they can get

878
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: Texas off the field. Washington ninety fifth in the nation

879
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: at forcing three acounts. It is a spotty defense. It

880
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: is a defense that obviously came up big in some

881
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: key spots. The underlying numbers, though, aren't great, particularly against

882
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: the run. I do think it is a bit of

883
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: a mirage because especially in both matchups against Oregon. I

884
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: hate to keep bringing this up. Yeah, we thought they'd

885
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: get run off the field. They didn't. They gave up

886
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: over two hundred yards in the first matchup, but in

887
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: the second matchup much much better. And the point is

888
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: that they found their spots, they found ways to contribute

889
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: in the biggest moments in the game. It is a

890
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: solid defense. It is not a brick wall, not by

891
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: any stretch. But I think if Texas can play ball possession,

892
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: they can play that style of game. Texas is thirteenth

893
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: among Power five teams in terms of time of possession

894
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: and just more context Washinghington averages about eleven or twelve

895
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: drives per game. If Texas controls the clock and can

896
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: whittle that down to like nine possessions, right, they probably

897
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: win this game. They probably It's that kind of game.

898
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: So I think that's the strategy. I think Texas can

899
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: play that style of football against Washington, and if Washington

900
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: has trouble getting Texas off the field, I think that's

901
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: a real issue. It's an issue for anybody, not just Washington,

902
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: but certainly in a matchup like this, where you want

903
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: your offense on the field as many times as possible,

904
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: given your quarterback, given your skill talent, where you probably

905
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: feel like you have a bit of an advantage. If

906
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: Texas is able to just prolong drives in a way

907
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 1: that whittles down Washington's opportunities, that to me is a real,

908
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: real question. The other question for Washington is to what

909
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: extent they can get the running game involved because one

910
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: of the matchups, and it's you know, it's not necessarily

911
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: rocket science to look at the Texas defensive front and say, wow,

912
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: that's really good. How is Washington going to contend with

913
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: some ballers up front for Texas and the interior defensive line.

914
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: Can they get their ground game up? How they how

915
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Grubb kind of utilizes that aspect of what they

916
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: do I think will be really interesting. And you know,

917
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what that looks like against a front

918
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: like Texases, because I don't think they saw it at

919
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: all this season.

920
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: They did, they did a good job against Oregon, especially

921
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: that second time Dylan Johnson ran and ran and ran

922
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: against a good defense, a beat up defensive front, but

923
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: a good defensive front. And Oregon, yeah, very good front.

924
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: But I just I think this is like a different

925
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: bit of calculus altogether. I want to see how they

926
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: use Dylan Johnson here. That that's kind of great my

927
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: one A question. I think that could be potentially be

928
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: the difference. He has been a X factor in other

929
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: matchups so far this season for the Huskies. Can they

930
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: get off the field, how can they use Dylan Johnson.

931
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the sort of the idea that the obvious

932
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: way Washington Washington six seeds is spreading the ball around

933
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: to McMillan, Pok and Odoonsay. But when they're truly operating,

934
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: Dylan Johnson is very much involved and running behind those

935
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: big tackles and they're just an altogether different thing when

936
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: that's happening. Teams that have tried to run straight at

937
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: Texas have not succeeded. So there has to be creativity

938
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: to Washington's rushing attack, which there can be. And if

939
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: you give those linebackers something to think about. If Dylan

940
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: Johnson's getting five, six, seven yards of carry early on

941
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: in this game, then play action becomes that much more

942
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: lethal for Washington because Michael Pennis can get the ball

943
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: out that quickly. Yeah, it's a fascinating thing. You look

944
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: at also the matchup of when Texas has the ball

945
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: you're talking about, you know, Texas potentially succeeding with bully

946
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: ball and limiting possessions and drawing clock. Texas this year

947
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: has been very quietly bad in the red zone.

948
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have it.

949
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: Also, Washington's defense has been pretty bad in the red zone,

950
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: so there has something's got to give there when Texas

951
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: is on like the Washington twelve yard line, what does

952
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: the creativity look like? You know, Adie Mitchell has been

953
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: like a touchdown machine, like I remember at some point

954
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: when he was at Georgia and even this year, you know,

955
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: he disappears and then suddenly he has three touchdown catches

956
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 2: for you know, thirty seven yards, Like he just finds

957
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 2: a way. He has a nose in the end zone.

958
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: That to me is going to be fascinating. Washington has

959
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: gotten healthier on defense, and almost this time off favors

960
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: a team that's not as deep as Texas is, because

961
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: I just think what Washington is going to look like

962
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: roster wise should be pretty close to what they are

963
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: at their best. And same for Texas. Texts obviously down

964
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: a key piece and Jonathan Brooks on offense, But I

965
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: think that I think a matchup a week after the

966
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: champion the conference championship week would have favored Texas more dramatically.

967
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 2: Washington's certainly a different team with a healthy Jalen McMillan,

968
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: who missed a chunk of the year and then came

969
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: back late and showed out against Oregon in the Pac

970
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: twelve championship game. I'm fascinated by all of this time.

971
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: What else fascinates you? What else do you mismatches? What

972
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: else do you see as like sound strategy. You talk

973
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: about sound strategy for Texas to sort of keep Washington's

974
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: defense on the field. What about for Washington?

975
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: This is a fascinating coaching matchup. He's probably not as

976
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: how high profile as Nick Saban versus Jim Harbaugh. Kaylin

977
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: de Boor does not have that much cachet with the

978
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: national audience. But Steve Sarkejian, I think is widely known

979
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: as one of the more creative guys, and what he

980
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: can do out of the gates against a team like

981
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: Washington will be really interesting. He's creative in the early

982
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: part of games, he always has been. And Kaylen de

983
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: Boor Kaylen de Borr. I mean, there's a lot of

984
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: steam on Kaalan de bor right now. There's a steam

985
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: on Kaalan de bor for everything from NFL jobs to

986
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: the Texas A and m gig, you name it. He

987
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: is very much a rising star in this industry and

988
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: he's won everywhere he's been because of his ability to

989
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: just create a really really good scheme, to be smart

990
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: put guys in position to win. And I don't know

991
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: if that necessarily is something that's being talked about enough

992
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: coming into this game, because so many people know Sark,

993
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: maybe not as many people nationally know about Kaitlin Debor

994
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: So how they kind of play that chess game against

995
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: one another in the early part of this game and

996
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: then second half adjustments in those types of things would

997
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: be fascinating to watch and something that isn't getting the

998
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: attention it deserves.

999
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: I wonder also when you look at Washington's year and

1000
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: they have this stretch where they have key injuries on

1001
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball, and they're not really separating

1002
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: from teams Washington away from home in true road environments,

1003
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: whether it was usc whether it was Stanford, whether it

1004
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 2: was I believe Arizona. I think the Arizona State game

1005
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: was at home. If I remember correctly, Michael PENICKX may

1006
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 2: have had the flu that game. I wonder about Washington's temperament.

1007
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 2: I wonder about Michael Pennix's temperament in New Orleans with

1008
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: what should probably be a pretty heavy Texas crowd. The

1009
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: Washington offense hasn't really been separating. Washington hasn't really been

1010
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: separating in road environments. And this is technically a neutral site,

1011
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: But like, I wonder if Washington goes down fourteen to nothing,

1012
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: what they look like relatively early started the second quarter,

1013
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: Quen you wers to Xavier Worthy in the corner of

1014
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: the end zone. It's now fourteen nothing. I just wonder

1015
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: if there's any kind of panic in Washington finding themselves

1016
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 2: in an unusual situation and they give up forty two.

1017
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: I think to usc which is no shaman on the road,

1018
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: but that was a bit of a shootout. Stanford was

1019
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: like a weird botched fourth down play away from having

1020
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: a big drive late against Washington. I just wonder what

1021
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: Washington's temperament is if they find themselves in an unfamiliar

1022
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: situation in a matchup like.

1023
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: This, What is your official prediction for this game.

1024
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 2: I'm taking the Huskies.

1025
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: How does that feel for you?

1026
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: How does that feel?

1027
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: Dan?

1028
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those things where maybe I'm

1029
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 2: too close to it and I'm giving Washington too much credit.

1030
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: Be like they must be You're so downplaying this.

1031
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is Washington in my mind, they

1032
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: must be like unfallible. They must be excellent if they

1033
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 2: can beat my team twice, right that I'm giving them

1034
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: too much credit. I put weight on quarterback and receiver combinations,

1035
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: and I think Texas has a great roster of receivers.

1036
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell, Xavior Worthy, j T. Sanders, Jordan Winning, like

1037
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: all those guys, CJ. Baxter out of the backfield, Jaden

1038
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: Blue very very good. I think Quinn Yours throws one

1039
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: of the prettiest deep balls we've seen in the modern

1040
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: college football.

1041
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: He's a rain maker in the literal sense that he

1042
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: throws it into the clouds. He throws that high arching rainbow.

1043
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: I think it's sort of a push, come to shove

1044
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: thing that Ryan Grubb, the Washington brain trust with this

1045
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: much time with a healthy receiving corps, with a little

1046
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 2: bit more self awareness about awareness about what the balance

1047
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: it probably takes to win on this level, and Dylan

1048
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: Johnson getting more work as the season progressed. I'm going

1049
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: to go back to our Ashanti rule and I trust

1050
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: that combination to watch You're more.

1051
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm like copying off my notes here. Really unbelievable. What's

1052
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: your final score prediction?

1053
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 2: I think Washington wins this game thirty five thirty two.

1054
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: Man, we are really close.

1055
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: What is your final score?

1056
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: Thirty one to twenty seven Washington and I jotted down

1057
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm reading this verbatim in Times of Great Dilemma, I

1058
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: like to quote the wise prophet Ashanti, the wise prophet

1059
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: a Shan who spoke truth to power twenty one years

1060
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: ago we're getting old when she told Fat Joe and

1061
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: Jaw Rule that it's all about trust.

1062
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: Who wrote that song? Because truly, that's who we have

1063
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: to trust.

1064
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: That's probably who we have to show that. I don't

1065
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: have that in front of me.

1066
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: Okay, songwriters there are like seven, But it is about trust, babe.

1067
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 2: It's about trust, babe.

1068
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: And Michael Pennix has been screaming almost his entire career

1069
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: that we should trust him in big games. That's just

1070
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: what he is He's proven nothing if not for the

1071
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: fact that he rises to meet the moment in some

1072
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: of these big spots, and Washington's been in a lot

1073
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: of knife fights this season. I do think there is

1074
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: real value in that. I think there's a lot of

1075
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: team chemistry here. I think this culture that Calein de

1076
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: Boor has built, they didn't have a whole lot of

1077
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: guys transferring out. They didn't because what he's built, I

1078
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: think has kept guys around.

1079
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 2: Does the separation thing bother you at all?

1080
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: Of course it does. It's bothered me all year, but

1081
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: at some point it's just sort of baked into the cake.

1082
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: It was the same deal with TCU a year ago.

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00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: He said the same thing. I think if we're in

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00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: a matchup like this and the Sugar Bowl, where a

1085
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: lot's on the line, we expect it's gonna be close.

1086
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: Washington's been there, They've done that, They have gotten down

1087
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: in the mud and the blood and the beer. I

1088
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: think it happens again thirty one to twenty seven, Huskies

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00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: win the advance.

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00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I hate that we agree there is I'll echo

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00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: what we were both talking about earlier with Alabama Michigan.

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00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: The star power on Washington for offense is slightly more pronounced.

1093
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 2: I love the star power is there for Texas too,

1094
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: but with a quarterback as experience as Michael Pennix. Unless

1095
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: the temperament thing is what I'm most worried about from Washington.

1096
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: If they go down fourteen nothing with how well Sark

1097
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: can start out games that, then Washington is just in

1098
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: a state of confusion and it's so foreign in that moment.

1099
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: But aside from that, like I just I think they're

1100
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: going to be so prepared. I think the back end

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00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: of Texas's defense is good but not excellent, and I

1102
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: think it's an especially good time to have three very

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00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: strong receivers, physical receivers right that Roma Dunes. They just

1104
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: can bully people on those fifty to fifty balls where

1105
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: I don't think Washington's gonna go downfield a ton. Texas's

1106
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: defense is going to scheme for that that You're going

1107
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: to have to nickel and Diamond a little bit. But

1108
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's IRV Gotti as the producer anyway.

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00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: For what's love God about trust, babe, I'm going to

1110
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: go down to that trust factor.

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00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about trust, babe. You want to hear my

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00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: themed bets to shout out for twenty twenty four.

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00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: Of course, Tie versus the World Steve Time versus the World,

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Speaker 2: presented by Draft Kings Sportsbook.

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Speaker 1: So look, what fun is it if we're not going

1116
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: to put our money where our mouth is and put

1117
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: together a nice little themed parlay. Now I have not

1118
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: named this. I need you while I am reading this off,

1119
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: you know who I'm picking, because we already talked through

1120
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: who we're picking. Yes, I need you to put all

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Speaker 1: of your creative juices into a fun name that people

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Speaker 1: will see and say. Even if I don't necessarily agree.

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Speaker 1: I like the name of this.

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Speaker 2: I like the name.

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Speaker 1: It's all about the packaging these things. You know this

1126
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: Tie versus the World. Here's my bet two parter, four parter. Actually,

1127
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: the first is Washington money line. Washington money line or

1128
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: picking Washington win. Why I got to put my money

1129
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: where my mouth is. Yeah, Washington money line combined with

1130
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: an over of twenty four and a half points for

1131
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: the Washington Huskies. If they're winning this game, they're probably

1132
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: scoring more than twenty four and a half points, right,

1133
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: I agree? Okay, that's the first leg. The second leg

1134
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: Alabama money line over Michigan.

1135
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: We both picked it.

1136
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, money where my mouth is over twenty and a

1137
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: half team points. Okay, if Alabama's beating Michigan, they're probably

1138
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: scoring twenty one points for more.

1139
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's reasonable. Right.

1140
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 1: You combine those two together, you get better than five

1141
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: to one odds over on DraftKings.

1142
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: That is my bet.

1143
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: So again, Washington money line, Alabama money line. Washington scoring

1144
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: more than twenty four and a half points and Alabama

1145
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: scoring more than twenty and a half points.

1146
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: So if you are a big believer in ties ability

1147
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: as a prognosticator, as a picker, I've.

1148
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: Been very close on these. I've been actually very good

1149
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: of these at these lately lately lately, not all year.

1150
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: It took a while to like kind of percolate well.

1151
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: And that's also when you've had a lot to like,

1152
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: You're okay, you're picking against Iowa's offense, right, that's so

1153
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: brave of you.

1154
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: It is, thank you.

1155
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: And you've had a lot of options to work with.

1156
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: Now you don't have a lot of options, so it

1157
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: really it really forces you into speaking with your chest

1158
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: and believing what you believe.

1159
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: That's right.

1160
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: So we can all look forward to a Michigan Texas

1161
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: National Championship exactly. So what would our name be for

1162
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: going big on Bama and Washington? Yeah, well, Alabama tried

1163
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: to hire Washington's offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb, so there's connective

1164
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: tissue there.

1165
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: The grub Bowl is not going to get people grub thumping.

1166
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: No that grub thump, I mean not grub time machine.

1167
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: People are not going to click on this bet if

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01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: they see the the hot grub time machine.

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01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm intrigued. Both are underdogs and Washington is a

1170
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: literal dog like the husky is a dog.

1171
01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: Double dog parlay.

1172
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: They're both underdogs.

1173
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: They're both underdogs.

1174
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the go double.

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Speaker 1: Dog double dog parlay, the double dog Dare, Double dog Dare.

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's teamwork, man, that's what that is.

1184
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: We did it. We did we got there.

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01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,400
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01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: Look wherever this finds you, Happy New Year, Happy New Year,

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01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:55,280
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