Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode ninety four of The Bobby
Speaker 1: Cast and Cassidy polpus here, Welcome to the house. My
Speaker 1: house like a disaster tracket. It's so ugly. No, no,
Speaker 1: I kept the lights off downstairs because I closed. I
Speaker 1: just came from a photo shoot and so look goodby,
Speaker 1: got your hair done, jacket on, makeup on. Man. I
Speaker 1: like good at makeup. I like good at makeup. Like
Speaker 1: most of time. I'm like, you know, I'm fine, Like
Speaker 1: that's not all for me, It is not it. It
Speaker 1: like I'm a solid six and a half. What have
Speaker 1: been makeup on? I'm a seven point three? You know,
Speaker 1: you don't give yourself enough credit. You look wonderful, thank you,
Speaker 1: But that's why I'm People coming up in sweats and
Speaker 1: I'm a little underdressed, like I'm buried with here. I
Speaker 1: was just in my white tidies the whole time. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, that's great. Yeah. I bet he loved it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So how are you you good? I'm good good. Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. You brought cookies. I brought you guys,
Speaker 1: some cookies. Um, okay, all right, I didn't take them,
Speaker 1: all right, I don't have to. I got a hood
Speaker 1: of this, I couldn't keep that live. Okay, Uh, this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound so bad. It was this lovely woman
Speaker 1: who was one of the chaperones for Christmas for kids
Speaker 1: on Tuesday night. She gave me a massive bag of cookies. Yes,
Speaker 1: I apologize, I'm not good at baking or cooking or
Speaker 1: any of that, so but I couldn't come empty handed. Well,
Speaker 1: we were cookie less before you got here, and now
Speaker 1: we have cookies, and they were made by a wonderful
Speaker 1: woman named Linda with love, way better than anything I
Speaker 1: would have baked. So what have you been doing the holidays? Oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh, I've been. My family's all here. My mom's
Speaker 1: also lived here, so that's fun, and the rest of
Speaker 1: them here too. Well, my grandma's here, but the rest
Speaker 1: of them are coming next week, so it'll be it'll
Speaker 1: be pretty crazy. Are you hosting the holidays? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not cooking. My mom and sister the cooks of the family,
Speaker 1: and I take care of the booze and hosting and
Speaker 1: going around making sure all the glasses are full. And
Speaker 1: she's thirty one, she's older sister. Yeah. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: live here, they do. Yeah, we're all from Florida. And
Speaker 1: I came here first about five years ago. My sister
Speaker 1: came here two years ago. My mom just came here
Speaker 1: in May. Like the perfect timing too, because that's when all,
Speaker 1: like my whole life changed and they moved here from
Speaker 1: from West Palm Beach, Florida. Man, it's much warmer there,
Speaker 1: it is. My mom was just there. But although she
Speaker 1: said at night it was forty degrees, so you have
Speaker 1: nobody goes outside and night, that's true. That's like the
Speaker 1: lowest one onto the weather on the radio and it's
Speaker 1: like the lowest twenty two. But no one's awake for
Speaker 1: the low Yeah, you're not going to go really, who cares? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a beer on the patio.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, we used to have to leave
Speaker 1: the water running so the pipes wouldn't freeze. You have
Speaker 1: to keep it dripping, And now you don't really have
Speaker 1: to do that as much because pipes are robots. Basically,
Speaker 1: for the Christmas for Kids thing, we take a bus,
Speaker 1: a tour bus from the school and bring them all
Speaker 1: to Walmart and go shopping with them and stuff. And
Speaker 1: they had to turn the plumbing off on the bus,
Speaker 1: so all the kids had like coke and like pizza
Speaker 1: at this pizza party and they all were like, I
Speaker 1: have to pee. It was a tour bus. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. All the bus companies are amazing and they
Speaker 1: give these buses for a night and they're just like
Speaker 1: they're they're so kind to do that. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: poor kids couldn't couldn't pay on the bus. That's okay.
Speaker 1: You don't want to pean on the bus anyway. Now
Speaker 1: it's not great school bus, You're okay, that's true. What's
Speaker 1: the Christmas So it's basically a school in Hendersonville. They
Speaker 1: take all the kids there that are underprivileged and give
Speaker 1: them a chance to go to Walmart and they have
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty dollar budget to be able to
Speaker 1: go and shop. And um, a bunch of people get involved,
Speaker 1: a bunch of artists, a bunch of just you know,
Speaker 1: volunteers that come and um. The first year I went,
Speaker 1: I did a signing which they do every year as well,
Speaker 1: where people pay to come on the tour bus the
Speaker 1: night before and do signing with all a bunch artists.
Speaker 1: Hunter has done it and Alabama's done it. Um, And
Speaker 1: that year they were like, yeah, and you can also
Speaker 1: go shopping with the kids. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to do that. That sounds fun and so I
Speaker 1: did it last year, Um and it was. It was
Speaker 1: so it was sweet. It's sad. You know, the kids
Speaker 1: are like, you're afraid to be like do you want
Speaker 1: to get presents for your parents? And you just don't
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna say, and um, you know, last year,
Speaker 1: the dad actually showed up and they're not supposed to
Speaker 1: show up at Walmart and it was this whole thing
Speaker 1: and they're really really good with security making sure the
Speaker 1: kids are okay, but um, yeah, that was a weird thing.
Speaker 1: And this year the boy was like, yeah, I'll get
Speaker 1: my mom a necklace, but my dad's not really round,
Speaker 1: and so it was it's just sad. But you you
Speaker 1: gotta like you just have to treat them like nothing's wrong.
Speaker 1: This is fun. We're gonna have fun, and you kind
Speaker 1: of take them away from their crap at home. You know,
Speaker 1: there no not at the No you are you the
Speaker 1: singer we're supposed to be hanging out with. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just somebody person. Kids. How old? How old are
Speaker 1: the kids? They were from like seven to twelve, so
Speaker 1: they're not Cassidy poeans No, No, they definitely don't listen.
Speaker 1: They probably don't. I don't think they listen to country music.
Speaker 1: They were trying to pull up like crazy stuff on
Speaker 1: my phone and I was like, yeah, we're not doing that,
Speaker 1: like really inappropriate rap songs like Linda's getting upset. Let's
Speaker 1: put that away. That's fine. I've been to places before
Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be the celebrity quote I've a
Speaker 1: finger quote where nobody has any idea. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: that kind of makes it feel like, um, you're actually
Speaker 1: you're doing it for the right reasons. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I looked pretty similar to how I look now, like
Speaker 1: crap with gold tennis shoes rolled up, slightly caprish blue jeans, tan,
Speaker 1: orangeist orangish. Yeah, it's like, yeah, like one, I thank you.
Speaker 1: It's like a baggy, baggy outfit day wonderful. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen you for a bit, I guess I've we've talked
Speaker 1: a few times, but I haven't seen you like in
Speaker 1: professional world in a bit. Yeah, it kind of just
Speaker 1: took the year to step away for a minute. Um
Speaker 1: had to go through some transitions on all fronts music, personal, everything,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was kind of amazing and terrible
Speaker 1: at the same time. But like, I loved stepping back
Speaker 1: and you know, all my friends had such a big
Speaker 1: year and I got to enjoy it and watch and
Speaker 1: not be you know, consumed with my stuff. I could
Speaker 1: actually like root for them in a way where it
Speaker 1: was just like I wasn't in the back of my
Speaker 1: head thinking, Okay, what are we What am I doing next?
Speaker 1: What am I doing next? It was it was kind
Speaker 1: of nice, but I'm not gonna lie. It's it was
Speaker 1: the hardest year of my life. So musically, you're not
Speaker 1: with your record label anymore, which was Big Machine Group,
Speaker 1: and that's who you were I signed to after The Voice.
Speaker 1: So how does that work? Because you you win The
Speaker 1: Voice season season three? Yeah, five years ago. Wow, So
Speaker 1: that was about the time when I came to town too.
Speaker 1: I guess we kind of came to town around the
Speaker 1: same time. Weird. Yeah, I think you just beat me
Speaker 1: because I haven't been here five years yet. No way,
Speaker 1: I feel like, wow, just because I dominate, doesn't may
Speaker 1: not have been here that is amazing now, but I
Speaker 1: think you beat me because you would have had I came.
Speaker 1: I came I think wasting what was your first song,
Speaker 1: wasting all these two Yeah, I think that was already
Speaker 1: happening whenever I got here. And so, yeah, this was
Speaker 1: a thing. So when you finish that show, they go, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're going You're going to Nashville. Well I wanted to.
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to do country. I sang
Speaker 1: country as a kid. I did the rock thing and
Speaker 1: I loved it. Um, but when when I went on
Speaker 1: the Voice, I started singing like all the songs that
Speaker 1: I saying as a kid. I sang cry as a kid.
Speaker 1: That was my finale song, and um, I didn't sing
Speaker 1: over You as a kid, but like I wanted, I
Speaker 1: wanted to do that, Like Blake didn't want, he didn't care.
Speaker 1: He was like, do you? And then, um, it felt
Speaker 1: so good. And I was still listening to country, and
Speaker 1: I thought I could totally do a country thing where
Speaker 1: I can still incorporate my pop and rock influences. So
Speaker 1: I really wanted to come to Nashville. I didn't feel
Speaker 1: I lived in l A for a few years. Um,
Speaker 1: before the Voice, I didn't feel super embraced there, didn't
Speaker 1: really feel like a fit in, and um, so I
Speaker 1: came here and and um yeah, basically it took me
Speaker 1: a minute. Took me a minute to get accepted. And
Speaker 1: I was going back and forth from l A to Nashville.
Speaker 1: And that's like it's funny, you know, no matter how
Speaker 1: much you tell people no, no, like I'm in it
Speaker 1: like this, this is it. I'm not trying to do
Speaker 1: a crossover thing. I love country music. They're like, uh huh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: until you move here full time. It's like they don't
Speaker 1: really like they don't really embrace you that much. And
Speaker 1: I got lucky. I had some great people behind me,
Speaker 1: and you know, I got signed a big machine label
Speaker 1: group and that was awesome. But was that part of
Speaker 1: the deal of the Voice, like if you want the
Speaker 1: voice or like I know, on Idol. I friends have
Speaker 1: been on Idol and now friends have been on the Voice.
Speaker 1: But now the Voice they don't put out people that
Speaker 1: people care about it anymore. It's more about the TV show.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's two seasons a year. It doesn't give
Speaker 1: people enough time to really digest artists. And like, I
Speaker 1: have no idea who's won the last I don't know
Speaker 1: who's want any seasons except for you and Daniel, only
Speaker 1: because I know you I don't. I've never actually watched
Speaker 1: the voice. Yeah, I literally can't anymore. Yeah, I wish
Speaker 1: I knew more questions because I don't want I don't
Speaker 1: well okay, so yeah it's Universal, okay, and I was
Speaker 1: the first country artist to win. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be signed Universal in New York.
Speaker 1: I want to or l A. I want, I need
Speaker 1: to be in Nashville. So let's figure this out. And
Speaker 1: thankfully I I got also a management deal with Irving
Speaker 1: A's off from that show and who you know manages
Speaker 1: I know, you know, he's a big probably the biggest
Speaker 1: manager in the history of managers. Yeah probably did ye
Speaker 1: still right now? Huge John Mayor? Yeah, and so he um,
Speaker 1: he actually left the management company I was supposed to
Speaker 1: get signed to, but he took me with him. I
Speaker 1: got so lucky, and he was like, yeah, we'll just
Speaker 1: renegotiate the deal and you'll get You'll just go to Nashville,
Speaker 1: that's what you want. So it was like not even
Speaker 1: really the kosher way of doing things for when you
Speaker 1: come off that show, but he figured it out and
Speaker 1: he alongside my my day to day Tina Kennedy, and um,
Speaker 1: they were just so great with that. But I I
Speaker 1: inherited this deal. It was awesome at first, and it's
Speaker 1: hard because usually when you're with the label, they get
Speaker 1: to know you, they have time to really sit with
Speaker 1: you and develop you. And UM, I didn't have that time.
Speaker 1: And it was like, why wouldn't we just put something
Speaker 1: out as soon as we can and strike while the
Speaker 1: iron taught and you know, while people are paying attention.
Speaker 1: And so we did, and we at least rereleased Frame
Speaker 1: by Frame, which was I still love that album. I'm
Speaker 1: proud of it, but you can definitely hear there's a
Speaker 1: little confusion. There's like some identity crisis. She was like, man,
Speaker 1: they just it was like shows over. Okay, let's go
Speaker 1: pick songs. The have a day, pick some songs and
Speaker 1: go sing them and get them out of immediately. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I loved it. I got to come here and
Speaker 1: write and I wrote half the album and and some
Speaker 1: songs I actually put on there that I wrote years ago.
Speaker 1: So it was like it was fun and I just
Speaker 1: loved it, but it wasn't. Um, and I noticed it
Speaker 1: now now that I like going through a break up
Speaker 1: this year and just going through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: This year, I was writing about things from the past,
Speaker 1: and there's only so much you can do with that, Like,
Speaker 1: there's only so so you can only go so deep
Speaker 1: with that, and I did. I made it happen. But
Speaker 1: writing in it in the pain, in the struggle is
Speaker 1: so much crazier. I mean you, I've been writings so
Speaker 1: much more now, yes, yeah, more than I've ever done
Speaker 1: in my life. And it's like I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1: But back then it was like I'm going to think
Speaker 1: about my ex from when I was eighteen, who like
Speaker 1: who hooked up with my friend two days after we
Speaker 1: broke up, Like I was, look, the worst thing I
Speaker 1: could think of, and my parents divorced. That wasn't fun.
Speaker 1: But um yeah, it just it just is a different game.
Speaker 1: So like listening back to the record, I love it,
Speaker 1: but I'm just like I get why, you know, only
Speaker 1: went so far, so kind of smash that to Now
Speaker 1: when did your record deal? When did that end? Was
Speaker 1: like it was in May actually this year? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: what happened there? Um, it just we just stopped being
Speaker 1: on the same page and it wasn't what does that mean?
Speaker 1: So I would send in songs or they would send
Speaker 1: me songs and I'm I'm the kind of artist. If
Speaker 1: I hear a song that I didn't write but I
Speaker 1: wish I did, I'll cut it. I love I just
Speaker 1: love good songs. But they weren't sending me stuff that
Speaker 1: I liked and that was me and they didn't really
Speaker 1: like anything I was writing, so it was like, what
Speaker 1: are we really doing here? And our last ditch effort
Speaker 1: was the Summer EP and I loved that EP, but
Speaker 1: there were compromises their song wise, and I didn't get
Speaker 1: to do fully what I wanted. I did get to
Speaker 1: go with Corey Crowder, which was great, and I could
Speaker 1: just cut my newest project with him, but um yeah,
Speaker 1: just it just stopped feeling right and and stopped being inspirational,
Speaker 1: and it just and it and it was there was
Speaker 1: no bad blood or anything. It just was like, let's
Speaker 1: just call it like it is. And my managers went
Speaker 1: to Scott Bouschetta and just were like, hey, she's she's
Speaker 1: not happy, you're not happy. Let's just call it a day.
Speaker 1: It wasn't, you know, super clean like they were, you know,
Speaker 1: back and forth negotiations or whatnot. But again, irving more records,
Speaker 1: I did for sure, and I don't anymore. You don't anymore?
Speaker 1: Do you know them anything? Because like anything? Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like a little point thing. But it's I'm really lucky
Speaker 1: with what I think. There was just a respect level
Speaker 1: there between Scott and Irving, and I didn't rock the
Speaker 1: boat in any way. I wasn't mean or weird about it.
Speaker 1: I was just like, hey, dude, this isn't working. I
Speaker 1: think you're cool, but like, can I just move on now?
Speaker 1: So then, so what do you the next day? You
Speaker 1: don't have a record here? What's the difference? Well? Nothing?
Speaker 1: At first. I was like, I felt like there was
Speaker 1: a kind of a weightlifted and it's kind of a jolt.
Speaker 1: It's like okay, so what now? Um? But pretty much
Speaker 1: right away I just went in and cut songs that
Speaker 1: I had been writing with Corey Um. I hired like
Speaker 1: a digital creative team that I just outsourced myself, and
Speaker 1: all this stuff costs money and your labels not paying
Speaker 1: for it. Now, So did you make some good money
Speaker 1: in the five years? Yeah? Okay, yeah, I got lucky.
Speaker 1: C I A are amazing, my lucky. If if you're
Speaker 1: actually good and you're working, yeah, you're right. It's not lucky.
Speaker 1: People are like, I got so lucky, but did you
Speaker 1: when you put in all those hours? Well, look, I
Speaker 1: think there's a certain level of luck, Like there's timing
Speaker 1: and people that come into your life at very interesting time.
Speaker 1: So I think I don't believe in luck. You're talking
Speaker 1: to the wrong guy. But here's the synergy. But it's
Speaker 1: okay that you do so. So you had some money
Speaker 1: saved up? I did. Yeah. My my business managers my
Speaker 1: mom's and she's amazing. You probably got good money saved up.
Speaker 1: Watching you back like crazy, Well I'm the one who's like, hey, mom,
Speaker 1: do you think I could go shopping today? Like? Am
Speaker 1: I good? She's like, yeah, you don't have to ask
Speaker 1: me every time you want to go buy like a
Speaker 1: good pair of shoes. Like you're good. But I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't grow up with a lot of money,
Speaker 1: and like my parents divorced really put my mom in
Speaker 1: a tough position. And business managed for anybody else, just you.
Speaker 1: She does she does a bunch of like YouTube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's doing well. She does YouTube. Kids, she wow, like
Speaker 1: band Lydia? Do you know Lydia? I don't know? Okay,
Speaker 1: she she does a few bands like it's kind of
Speaker 1: a crazy story. Yeah, how did she get into that?
Speaker 1: Is that like her degree? Yeah? She she's a c
Speaker 1: p A. She did. She does the books for a
Speaker 1: condominium in West Palm Beach, Florida, which she still goes
Speaker 1: to every month she has to oversee. But I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I had a big business manager when I was in
Speaker 1: my band, Hey Monday, and he kind of ran us
Speaker 1: into the ground. And my mom was like, I do
Speaker 1: this for a living. I'll help you out for a
Speaker 1: little bit. And that was probably ten years ago, and
Speaker 1: she's been doing it ever since, and through me and
Speaker 1: through my manager at the time when I was in
Speaker 1: Hey Monday. He knows she's amazing and he moved here.
Speaker 1: Rohan Coley, who's at Warner Now. I don't know anybody, Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody I know no one. I think everybody knows you,
Speaker 1: but you know nobody. No, it's not. Everybody knows me
Speaker 1: very one side of the only time I get to
Speaker 1: know people is when they come and do this. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I don't go out every weekend. I'm on the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to bed at eight o'clock. What do you
Speaker 1: want from me? I got nothing. It's okay, nothing, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's okay, I'm just you know, trying to anyway. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: we're got out and she's she's killing it. But so
Speaker 1: now your mom's business managing and lots of artists. That's
Speaker 1: pretty freaking cool. Yeah, and she's probably a plus though.
Speaker 1: You're number one on the list to make sure she's
Speaker 1: checking that. And you saved a bunch of money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got I've got endorsements. CIA was great, and teeth endorsement, yes,
Speaker 1: teeth dentures, it was something. Yeah. Oh man, I bet
Speaker 1: that paid you a ton of money. I have friends
Speaker 1: that have done commercials and they weren't even doing endorsements
Speaker 1: like celebrity endorsements, but they would do national spots and
Speaker 1: they would get like I think one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean those corporations, they have sold so much
Speaker 1: money and if they if you can move the needle
Speaker 1: in any way, they're stoked. And it's great. Even when
Speaker 1: I do stand up for corporate gigs and the money
Speaker 1: is unrealistic. Yeah, you want to do corporate gigs because
Speaker 1: it's not like a real thing to them. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Well my so, my, my, the guy who does my sound,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have a tour this year, so
Speaker 1: he had to just kind of make money wherever. And
Speaker 1: he does these corporate gigs where he literally presses mute
Speaker 1: and un mute and he gets paid so much more
Speaker 1: than what I compare him, and I'm just like, you're
Speaker 1: not even doing anything. And he gets to go to
Speaker 1: like all these awesome places for a week straight and
Speaker 1: he's literally there for like an hour pressing mute mute.
Speaker 1: There are comedians that I know, There aren't even the
Speaker 1: A tier comedians that will get thirty grand a night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll take care of you. Fly you in fly I mean,
Speaker 1: and you just go and you talk in front of
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that work at Sam's Club. Sam's Club.
Speaker 1: I've totally done that gig. I did Dollar General like
Speaker 1: three months ago, and it's all people that work at
Speaker 1: all the General are brought in and their bosses and
Speaker 1: it's five people people and you up on stage. You
Speaker 1: tell your jokes and they're like cool, here's a check,
Speaker 1: and you're like thank you, but listen, I think I
Speaker 1: earned the spot. And if they're going to pay somebody
Speaker 1: I'm that much, I'm happy to take it. Be the
Speaker 1: person they pay. Absolutely and you saved your money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm not like I'm not a big spender. I
Speaker 1: bought a house this year. That was like a big
Speaker 1: investment for me. But the investment where pretty pretty boyfriend
Speaker 1: breakup or post. Okay, that's cool. Then at least I
Speaker 1: have that drama. Oh yeah, no, I right away I
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta find a house. I want my
Speaker 1: dog to have a yard. I want to Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was living downtown. Yeah, yeah, I was. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: downtown and it was fun. It was great, I could
Speaker 1: walk places. But once that ended, I was like, I
Speaker 1: think I'm ready for like a massive change. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a house. Pays for a house cash. No,
Speaker 1: how much he really had? How much he saved up?
Speaker 1: I mean Nicholson saved up? No, not that much. You
Speaker 1: finish so you're out of the deal, which means you
Speaker 1: have to spend your own money, and you spend your
Speaker 1: own money differently than when it's somebody else's money. I've
Speaker 1: learned from having build my own ventures. Sure, so now
Speaker 1: you got to spend your own money and make music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I got I mean, Corey is he's a massive
Speaker 1: champion of mine, Like he is just the best and
Speaker 1: he knows um he's doing. He's cutting me a deal
Speaker 1: and it's it's still expensive because he's Corey. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask him to do it for free,
Speaker 1: and like I can pay him, but he definitely cut
Speaker 1: me a better deal. When you're an independent artist, you
Speaker 1: tend to get better deals on stuff when when like
Speaker 1: the studio knows you don't have a label fronting it
Speaker 1: and the mixer masters and all that, like it's cheaper.
Speaker 1: So like when Walker Hayes produced some stuff for me,
Speaker 1: some of some raging idiot stuff, I was just like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: I'll pay a little bit, but how about you own
Speaker 1: some of it so I can have some points on
Speaker 1: that because it was just easier and I knew we'd
Speaker 1: sell a good amount of singles. And he was like, yeah, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1: So that's what we is, That what you guys are doing.
Speaker 1: So you just pay him straight up paying him. I
Speaker 1: need to talk to him, he needs to work about
Speaker 1: a deal. If he's taking less money, he needs to
Speaker 1: get some of his action. Well yeah, I mean my
Speaker 1: thing is so I want to release it independently and
Speaker 1: if a label gets involved eventually I will make sure
Speaker 1: he's taken care of, and I'm going to keep using him.
Speaker 1: So release it independently, meaning you're going to I'm gonna yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it out. I'm gonna put it out
Speaker 1: on iTunes and all of that, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: lean on my fans. I saw an instan story where
Speaker 1: you were like listening to the music. Did you do that?
Speaker 1: Fans know I've been working on it. They know that
Speaker 1: it's coming. I just don't have a release date yet,
Speaker 1: and I know for sure it's going to be. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be probably in February. Oh that's pretty quick. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I just and it's fun, like I have my
Speaker 1: own timeline. That's another thing, you know, with with the
Speaker 1: label and stuff, you don't you know, I have to
Speaker 1: worry about that. I have some of the new stuff here.
Speaker 1: This is one of Cassidy's new songs. There you go, agize.
Speaker 1: She was looking at me like what do you have?
Speaker 1: How do you have it? Yeah? Let me talk about
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Speaker 1: to find the story near you and tell him I
Speaker 1: think you're cool. Okay, So all, are you putting out
Speaker 1: music in February? Are you done with it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for somebody to possibly sing on it. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to say who because I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's going to do it. Oh me the two spectrums, yes,
Speaker 1: the best and the absolute worst. So okay, so you're
Speaker 1: almost done, then I'm almost done and uh yeah, and
Speaker 1: I've got out my publishing. I'm you got out of
Speaker 1: your publishing. My publishing people were paying you to write, yes, essentially, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I was on like an artist publishing deal, which
Speaker 1: you don't really have to meet a quota or anything.
Speaker 1: It's just basically like they're in charge of getting you
Speaker 1: sings or getting you pitching new songs for for you
Speaker 1: to get and record or whatever. You know. There there's
Speaker 1: definitely there's an advance at the first when you first
Speaker 1: saw line, but it just again, it just kind of
Speaker 1: ran its course. And then um I also I like,
Speaker 1: oh my managers, which was tough because it's like a
Speaker 1: full purge. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you kind of need to.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna go se you almost have to go
Speaker 1: a hundred. Yeah. The only person I kept was Darren Murphayette, CIA.
Speaker 1: Because I was like, you've been you know, consistent, You're
Speaker 1: my rock here. You're like and and and you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's easy when you're not doing well or you're
Speaker 1: not you don't have anything going on for somebody to
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I'm gonna go over here now and
Speaker 1: I'll let you figure it out on your own. But
Speaker 1: like he never did that. He was always really and
Speaker 1: not that everybody else did, but he just he was
Speaker 1: just amazing. He kept me busy, he kept me on
Speaker 1: the road, he kept making me money. And and that's
Speaker 1: like he's there's no, it's not broke. So c A,
Speaker 1: by the way, as an agency, fullest closure with c
Speaker 1: A is my agency to good people. They're all the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean really like I I have went
Speaker 1: to see A because I know because I'll liked my
Speaker 1: specific agent. By the way, I never signed with c
Speaker 1: A in Nashville. I signed with CE in New York
Speaker 1: for television, and it was like, Hey, your band selling
Speaker 1: tickets for like five people and night in theaters, why
Speaker 1: don't you get a agent? Like all right, And so
Speaker 1: I went and talk to people and then I just
Speaker 1: like the people to see A better. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't know the difference. The difference, I'm not. I guess
Speaker 1: I don't really either, but I love it. I love CIA,
Speaker 1: so it's like I do too because because I like
Speaker 1: the people that I work with directly exactly. So that's
Speaker 1: an agency. Do you have to give of everything or
Speaker 1: do you have a better rate? Why why do you
Speaker 1: say it like that? I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if like it's weird? Is that weird? To disclose? Oh?
Speaker 1: I had a podcasts talking about my money last time
Speaker 1: where I was I was like, listen, let me tell
Speaker 1: you because I said I was talking about my money. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's on my radio. Contract is different
Speaker 1: because I have a radio agent which I fired, but
Speaker 1: he gets seven percent. But in radio normal is like
Speaker 1: but as you grow you can actually negotiate down. And
Speaker 1: I'm in a pretty solid spot to go. I'm not
Speaker 1: you're not taking that much money out of my paycheck.
Speaker 1: So I have to pay him seven percent. But then
Speaker 1: all the stand up comedy, all the it goes like this.
Speaker 1: It goes managers takes did your manag you have a
Speaker 1: manager right now? Did? Okay? Then my agent takes ten
Speaker 1: a business manager depending on yours is your mom. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you pay your mom, but mine takes
Speaker 1: four and so they're from anything. And again, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: complaining a little bit, but these are necessities. I need
Speaker 1: these people to help me book shows, to manage have
Speaker 1: books and music and radio shows and people. And I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't even live that money. I
Speaker 1: know nothing about money. So I have a business manager
Speaker 1: make sure abody gets paid and so. But before I
Speaker 1: even get paid, forty cents of a dollar is gone. Yea.
Speaker 1: And so I'm not complaining about the job that I do.
Speaker 1: It just kind of sucks that you have to pay people.
Speaker 1: I wish I could just get all the money. I
Speaker 1: pay no taxes too. By the way, but I did
Speaker 1: a whole world. I did a whole show on here
Speaker 1: about that, like this is the independent contractor world of
Speaker 1: artistry and how it works and all the odd people
Speaker 1: we have to pay. The people just wouldn't know about it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't a woe was me, Like this is what happens
Speaker 1: when you're an artist. You have a manager, you have agent,
Speaker 1: you have a business manager. I just did a photo
Speaker 1: shoot and it cost me, Like, yeah, dude, it's so
Speaker 1: funny when I'm like in coach and people recognize me
Speaker 1: and they're like where she in? First? People are like,
Speaker 1: what don't you have a private chat? I'm like what
Speaker 1: on TV? I'm like, who do you think I am?
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift? But well she has her own a couple
Speaker 1: of those things. So okay, so here you are. I forgot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can disclose it ever I listen, you know, or
Speaker 1: you can not. Just call it everyone. I don't care. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have new music out. I'll talk about
Speaker 1: your boyfriend for a second. I met him a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Yeah, because I didn't know him, I guess
Speaker 1: I really didn't know you that well. No, no, I
Speaker 1: don't know why. No, because I don't know any I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, I don't know anybody like get I don't
Speaker 1: think so just because I don't have the schedule. My
Speaker 1: life is not conducive to having friendships, so I don't
Speaker 1: have them. I'm gonna bite my tongue on that one.
Speaker 1: You can say what you want. Mike is my only friend?
Speaker 1: Is about because we traveled together in the last six days, Cassie,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, I've been in New York, l a, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nashville.
Speaker 1: It's five cities in six days. It's pretty crazy. That's
Speaker 1: why how many friends? Because I'm a dick, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I pleaded the fifth on that one.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've had very good experiences with you,
Speaker 1: so I'm I guess I just want to that way,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll keep you at arms length, so I don't
Speaker 1: like catch the no, I don't. You don't get a
Speaker 1: douche fibe. I was out with Jillian because Jillian Jaquelin
Speaker 1: has been on the road with me for the past
Speaker 1: three months. It's awesome, right, that's that. With Jillian, I
Speaker 1: may have told this story. I don't know, i'd see.
Speaker 1: The thing is, I don't know stories I tell on
Speaker 1: and off the air because they're all do that too though.
Speaker 1: That's just human stuff. Well, so I was with Jillian
Speaker 1: and she was she did you know fourteen shows with us?
Speaker 1: I think raging idiot shows. So we're playing on these
Speaker 1: theaters and she was like, finally get finally get you.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? She goes, you just go a
Speaker 1: to be like, you know whatever, you just leave it
Speaker 1: because we're in a room and this guy would not
Speaker 1: stop talking, and he was out of control. So I
Speaker 1: just left and she was in there still, and she
Speaker 1: was in there. Just abandoned her, and so I just
Speaker 1: got en left because he was kind of out of control, right,
Speaker 1: And then so I left and she was like, man,
Speaker 1: I admire how you can. I said, here's the stages
Speaker 1: of me. First of all, people go, well, that was
Speaker 1: kind of rude, and then then after about the third
Speaker 1: time to go, well, he's kind of weird. And then
Speaker 1: after a while they go, that's just Bobby, that's just
Speaker 1: there's nothing mean about it. He's just kind of yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but no douche vibe because I don't think I'm cool.
Speaker 1: I think right, that's when you're you're think you're cooler
Speaker 1: than you are, so you overcompensate. Dude, like, hey, look
Speaker 1: at cool, look at look at my selfie in the mirror,
Speaker 1: look at my reclainers and my cool room when I
Speaker 1: have my podcast. Okay, I don't like that impression. I'm
Speaker 1: not very good impression for me. That was not good. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I met your ex boyfriend a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Seemed like a nice fellow, but you got the thing
Speaker 1: was you guys were together forever eight years, and that
Speaker 1: was the whole story. It was like, oh, yeah, they've
Speaker 1: been together forever. Yeah, we got engaged in February this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got engaged in split that that's a pretty quick engagement. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know. So when he was in a band, Huh
Speaker 1: wasn't he in like different different alle Yeah, drummer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're so good, so good. I'm still a big fan.
Speaker 1: They're they're killing it. I wouldn't be a big fan
Speaker 1: if I broke up with somebody. I'm just kidding. I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan. Is let me hear this. Lendsay and
Speaker 1: Cassidy are like friend friends. Yeah, we are like, I
Speaker 1: don't have time for friends. I was like girl friends. No,
Speaker 1: well no that that and I had time for a
Speaker 1: girlfriend too. Yeah that's just that's that's a whole different thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I end up talking about that openly, super openly,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But I will say that we saw you.
Speaker 1: We were at dinner, uh two weeks ago, and it
Speaker 1: was me Amy and the girl at styles Amy and
Speaker 1: I both and so it was our stylist and so
Speaker 1: we go out, we're having dinner and I say, hey,
Speaker 1: there's Cassidy and I see you because you're covered in tattoos,
Speaker 1: like your arms, and I was like, oh, there's because
Speaker 1: the rshia was packed, but I see your arm tattoos.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's Cassidy. I was gonna go up
Speaker 1: and say. I walked up in and Len sitting right
Speaker 1: next to you. A name is Linday Till I got
Speaker 1: right up to you. Non, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's oh yeah, we didn't see until you walked on
Speaker 1: up and I was like hey, and then Amy walks
Speaker 1: up and starts talking and then is it awkward? I
Speaker 1: was like, no, what's awkward? It was great. Honestly, everybody
Speaker 1: handled themselves. There was nothing to handle. Look, you guys dated,
Speaker 1: We still talk. She was over here yesterday evening dropping
Speaker 1: off presents. I love her. Yeah, she's awesome. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a zero percent. We were texting today about something because
Speaker 1: she's in Chicago. Like, there is zero weirdness. You don't
Speaker 1: have to cough and be like maybe at some point
Speaker 1: there will be. But we're good. We're good good. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: We've never been better. I mean, yeah, would be better,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know what I mean. Here we go
Speaker 1: to move on. Okay, this is I want to hear
Speaker 1: that yours. That's all. Like I torture people abou playing
Speaker 1: their ex's music. Honestly, I haven't listened to this in
Speaker 1: a very long time. So he's a drummer. He's don
Speaker 1: a terrible job so far drumming, and I heard nothing.
Speaker 1: I heard no drums. I'm not feeling his drumming yet.
Speaker 1: I'm singing to the sky just right. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: heard better drumming. I'm gonna tell you he's a real
Speaker 1: good drummer. I don't hear this song. He's not showcasing
Speaker 1: his ability. Year started. It's certainly more alternative this this album,
Speaker 1: but they went a little bit more mainstream alternative. What
Speaker 1: is that new? That's new? Yeah? So okay, So you're
Speaker 1: dating this dude for eight years other than my dog,
Speaker 1: I got nothing going on for eight years, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have a family member that I've been I've
Speaker 1: known for climbin calls too, for eight years. Like that's
Speaker 1: a that's a long time. It really is. It really is.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of when you're with
Speaker 1: somebody that for that long, there's a lot of transitions,
Speaker 1: a lot of change. A lot of yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 1: in the world like you had we had a dog,
Speaker 1: have a dog that's mine now, Cubby, I don't have
Speaker 1: a pop filter. So this is very intense. You guys
Speaker 1: break it off after eight years? Huh? And it nobody
Speaker 1: did anything wrong. It was just like really, nobody anything wrong. No,
Speaker 1: like and this is the thing, we both agreed we
Speaker 1: wouldn't get crazy with details and like tell everybody or
Speaker 1: like air out the dirty laundry, because there really isn't
Speaker 1: any It's just we just it just wasn't anymore. It
Speaker 1: just it was. And then it wasn't playing shrink here.
Speaker 1: If you got engaged in February and unengaged in May,
Speaker 1: then it must have been a realization set in because
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big part of like what makes you
Speaker 1: am I really committed to because you have to really decide. Then, yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes you, It makes you think about it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's an idea until it became reality and
Speaker 1: you start talking about weddings. Why did by the way
Speaker 1: eight years? You know, actually a lot of it was me.
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to be in a good
Speaker 1: place in my career. I want to feel content. And
Speaker 1: then when I never ever ever felt content. I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we don't have to wait anymore. This is never gonna
Speaker 1: be the music career is never going to be like
Speaker 1: in a place where I can just because if that,
Speaker 1: if that's you, then like I feel like, creatively, you'll
Speaker 1: never find a spot. You won't find a spot. And
Speaker 1: now I don't think you should. I think you should
Speaker 1: be happy and grateful and have gratitude, but like you
Speaker 1: should always want to do better and accomplish more. But anyway,
Speaker 1: once I was like, yeah, that's not gonna happen. Did
Speaker 1: you do the thing where? Because I don't know because
Speaker 1: you obviously didn't stay in that house. We're just living
Speaker 1: in a house together, apartment. Okay, so what did you
Speaker 1: do the thing where? Did you both leave the apartment?
Speaker 1: So he had to leave for a while and you
Speaker 1: got out your stuff and left, well he was he
Speaker 1: like left for tour really quickly after, and so I
Speaker 1: had time. Yeah, I had a transitional period, and my
Speaker 1: mom had She literally was like I was going through
Speaker 1: the breakup of the getting out of my deal, getting
Speaker 1: out of my management company, all this stuff, and she
Speaker 1: was like she was like, is it bad like this
Speaker 1: me moving here? What is causing all of this? I
Speaker 1: was like, no, you moved here because I needed you.
Speaker 1: You don't believe in this stuff? Um yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: basically yeah, like her moving here during all of that,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't like, oh good, you're here, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do all this. It literally was simultaneous, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, you're here because there's something like the
Speaker 1: universe was like you're going to need your mom here
Speaker 1: for you. So it was thank god she was here.
Speaker 1: But so all that happened, you go to therapist. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I got to say, because I would have had I
Speaker 1: would have been one every day I went with all
Speaker 1: of that, and that's a lot because I go once
Speaker 1: a week. Yeah, me too, and that's once a week
Speaker 1: is a good amount. It's good. Yeah. Now, like when
Speaker 1: I go once a week, I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I have so much to tell you and I'm in
Speaker 1: an awesome place and if I feel great, then I
Speaker 1: was just like crying every day. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: a mass and I needed to go two days a week.
Speaker 1: And I always was like afraid of therapy because there's
Speaker 1: a lot from my childhood that sucked and like my
Speaker 1: parents divorce was pretty smultuous, and like, do you think
Speaker 1: that kept Eve wanted to get married though? No, I
Speaker 1: wasn't afraid of getting married. I really wasn't. I just
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Yeah, it just wasn't the right person. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not afraid of marriage. I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's beautiful. I have friends
Speaker 1: that are married that are super happy. And the thing
Speaker 1: is is it's work, like you definitely, it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: like you wake up every morning you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have to make it work with this person, but there
Speaker 1: will be tough times and you have to want to work.
Speaker 1: And I we weren't in a place where we were
Speaker 1: willing to do that. So it's just kind of you know, wonder.
Speaker 1: I just wonder about that about your mom and your
Speaker 1: dad too, because I don't know. I never saw a
Speaker 1: successful relationship, So I never knew my real dad ever, right,
Speaker 1: I think I know your story, which she was Addeica
Speaker 1: whole life, But I never saw really a happy relationship ever.
Speaker 1: I never saw anything staid together. And she was married
Speaker 1: to biological fathers. I was four or five, and she
Speaker 1: had boyfriends on and off and depending where we live.
Speaker 1: We moved around a lot. Yeah, when you have money,
Speaker 1: you just live where yourn live. And so she had
Speaker 1: different boyfriends and we've sent up moving with them my
Speaker 1: step dad and they ended up getting divorced. So I
Speaker 1: never saw a relationship work. And I see people whose
Speaker 1: relationships work, but it's so ingrained in me that relationships
Speaker 1: don't work well and that and that's something like, that's
Speaker 1: good that you're going to therapy, because that's something that
Speaker 1: that sucks, like you shouldn't. That shouldn't be a thing,
Speaker 1: Like I know, it's hard when you've gone through all
Speaker 1: those experiences like that. I had an epiphany this year
Speaker 1: with my therapist where I was like, why have I
Speaker 1: never been single? From fifteen? I've had boyfriends. I've just
Speaker 1: one boyfriend after the other. And now that I don't,
Speaker 1: I'm like lonely and I want somebody and I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do. And she's like, because like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've I've always had a difficult relationship with my dad
Speaker 1: and he would come in and out of my life
Speaker 1: and it's still not great. And and she's like, it's
Speaker 1: because like you didn't really have a male figure in
Speaker 1: your life that was dependable, and so you're trying to
Speaker 1: find that in these guys that you're with and you
Speaker 1: have to, like, you have to find that like inner
Speaker 1: peace and happiness to like be okay with being alone,
Speaker 1: and like, finally I found it, but it took it
Speaker 1: took like six months. That's not any time you're having
Speaker 1: to like six months, I felt like forever. Because let
Speaker 1: me tell you, there's nothing you did. You go out
Speaker 1: and you should date a hundred people. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: You should like you really should. You should go out
Speaker 1: and you shouldn't get any relationship. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: a little advice. I'm a little older than you, but
Speaker 1: not so much older than you that it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I probably live, I'm probably less mature than you. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. So this is because I have
Speaker 1: always been single. I'm the opposite, and then rarely do
Speaker 1: I get a girlfriend like Lindy and I dated. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like four girlfriends in my life, my whole life,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of the same reason. But the
Speaker 1: right sure, you just need to go in to day.
Speaker 1: You need to spend about a year just dating different.
Speaker 1: Here we go again. You're gonna go try to find something.
Speaker 1: Just this is what happened. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: even want to date anybody for a while, and so
Speaker 1: I just like sat in my sadness and loneliness for
Speaker 1: for a while, and then I was like, okay, um,
Speaker 1: I need to do everybody my point, not not don't
Speaker 1: date anybody. I've been Yeah, I've liked dated, I've been
Speaker 1: going on dates and all that, but I just want
Speaker 1: those in particular a little comic. Okay, just be careful,
Speaker 1: I am, and all to do the Nashville the players. Oh,
Speaker 1: don't say that. All I was with one that was
Speaker 1: here and he's not a player eight years though before
Speaker 1: he was. That's true, but I'm just saying I don't
Speaker 1: think that's That's a blanket statement. You do, yeah, but
Speaker 1: blanket statements exists for reasons because blankets are warm and
Speaker 1: comfortable and they make sense at times. So you do you.
Speaker 1: I'll keep you up the that you care, but I
Speaker 1: do know I care. I'll send you a message. It's
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, yeah, that was as one was funny.
Speaker 1: Not often, but sometimes, like I say, you want where
Speaker 1: you want through Christmas? Why did I went to the
Speaker 1: Dancing Lights? Which oh this is one was she tagged
Speaker 1: me because my voice is on the instant they do
Speaker 1: that Jellystone lights and I'm a record of the thing
Speaker 1: four years ago and it's like, hey, it's Bobby Bones
Speaker 1: and say me. She's like, hey, here are you on
Speaker 1: the radio on my radio and the light And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've never been paid for that? Why this It is
Speaker 1: not even a charity if it's anything like, I don't care,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. I'm not sure either. I'm not
Speaker 1: sucks to get in there. Yeah, And she was like,
Speaker 1: who do I need to beat up? And I was
Speaker 1: like Santa, And okay, wait we get sidetracked here. So
Speaker 1: first of all, no no relationships. You can get whoever
Speaker 1: you want. Okay. Second of all, this quick stop music
Speaker 1: for five years, come back of five years. No more music,
Speaker 1: Oh hell no, that is not possible for me. Number three,
Speaker 1: no more deodorants cutting all the things off you. We're
Speaker 1: just trying to get me to be that's what you
Speaker 1: need to be kicked more, alright, and just go and
Speaker 1: live your life on an island and and just not
Speaker 1: come back. I really like my nest thermostat I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna there's nestlap one too. It tooked up not
Speaker 1: on my phone. Yeah, it's so I can literally hit
Speaker 1: an app. It's so great. And do you have on
Speaker 1: your phone? Yes, I have the cameras. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I just like to feel I left your parking spot
Speaker 1: up front to thank you. I don't always do that
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes guys get upset with me. They drive big
Speaker 1: trucks and they can't fit. I still have my little
Speaker 1: Kia from the voice you do my baby well, so
Speaker 1: I left her and just call her in l A.
Speaker 1: When I was here for like a year basically, and
Speaker 1: and I didn't put any mileage on it. And then
Speaker 1: I brought her here and it's like since two thousand thirteen,
Speaker 1: it's only like fifteen thousand miles. But you've been on TV.
Speaker 1: I thought you'd have like Bentley. I know, right, it's
Speaker 1: wrong with me, isn't it is? You? People feel like
Speaker 1: if you've been on the radio, I had a song
Speaker 1: on the radio or a song on TV, al right,
Speaker 1: that you're rich. Yeah like that. People assume that you're
Speaker 1: automatically rich. But people don't understand that, Like you were
Speaker 1: saying earlier, and I'm glad you did an episode about
Speaker 1: people you have to pay because it's crazy. It's like
Speaker 1: there's so many people that make it happen, so when
Speaker 1: it happens, it's like you kind of the last person
Speaker 1: to get paid. Yeah, that's a good that's a good point.
Speaker 1: You are the last person to get paid. And I
Speaker 1: was talking about how artists I know, um that do
Speaker 1: like first of three slots, you know, on tours, they
Speaker 1: will break even or lose money. Yeah, or maybe make
Speaker 1: a little bit because people even pay because they have
Speaker 1: to pay band that pay all the travel. And thinking
Speaker 1: about artists who you got to pay for everything, all travel,
Speaker 1: Like when I go out and do stand up, I
Speaker 1: have to pay for travel for merch Um, I take
Speaker 1: out an extra opener with me tour manager, and they
Speaker 1: got to pay them hotel rooms. That's crazy. And we're
Speaker 1: only complaining because we can. Like it's a great complaint
Speaker 1: to have. I mean, we're luck we get to do
Speaker 1: We're not lucky. Sorry you don't like that word. I
Speaker 1: don't listen. If you want to use it, that's okay,
Speaker 1: undersend the context of it. Yeah, you mean we're fortunate
Speaker 1: to do what we love. We are I don't really
Speaker 1: Here's what I don't believe in love. I believe luck
Speaker 1: is just putting yourself in a spot. And if you
Speaker 1: put yourself in the right spot, eventually something is going
Speaker 1: to happen. No, you're right, you have to work for it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if you get the first time you buy at
Speaker 1: took you one of the first time and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: you're on the right spot to buy the lot. You
Speaker 1: went to the store. You went to the store. And
Speaker 1: if you're unlucky, well you probably walking on the sidewalk
Speaker 1: when the piano fell out, Like you need to look
Speaker 1: up when you say, like, look out before you start
Speaker 1: walking on the sidewalk walking by buildings. That's true. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're starting your life over basically. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: read this book You Are a Badass by Jensen Saro,
Speaker 1: and the therapy therapy was amazing, it was great. I
Speaker 1: got to get it all out. But this book is
Speaker 1: like what set me over the edge to like my
Speaker 1: blissful like life is awesome, I feel great, like that
Speaker 1: book is. It's it's all I mean, it's all about
Speaker 1: self esteem. Like if you love yourself when you're you're
Speaker 1: like you feel worthy, then everybody's going to feel that energy.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna as soon as I felt that way, Um,
Speaker 1: everybody like wanted to hear the music. People were hearing
Speaker 1: about the music and like labels and stuff. We're like
Speaker 1: when can we hear when can we hear it? And
Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't know. I mean I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean you can hear it, but I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't want to really sign with anybody right now. And
Speaker 1: like you know, started going on dates and my friends
Speaker 1: all are like, yeah, there's definitely something happening with you.
Speaker 1: It's like palpable, like your confidence and whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And like it just felt like there was like a
Speaker 1: massive shift after I read that book. So anytime I
Speaker 1: can like bring it up, I do, because even if
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you need it, it's just a
Speaker 1: great read. It's awesome, you know book I like Green
Speaker 1: Eggs and him. You know what book that was really
Speaker 1: fantastic is The Places You'll Go. It's still the best.
Speaker 1: I can read that book and be inspired. Still it
Speaker 1: kind of makes me sad, Like it makes me sad.
Speaker 1: It's nostalgic and like a really sad and then you
Speaker 1: it's nostalgic because you didn't go a lot of those
Speaker 1: places that you thought, you what is a kid and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, Walt, Walt. When I was strain, that's
Speaker 1: a good one. And I bought What's Funny as my
Speaker 1: main producer on my radio show. Her name is Morgan
Speaker 1: when she graduated college, because she was an intern for me.
Speaker 1: Then she was a phone screener. Then I wanted to
Speaker 1: keep around, so I hires my assistant and then I
Speaker 1: put her on the so she worked her way up.
Speaker 1: But when she graduated college, I bought her that book
Speaker 1: The Place that You'll Go and wrote her a whole
Speaker 1: note on I was like, hey, nobody works harder than
Speaker 1: you wherever you want to go. And now she's running
Speaker 1: the show crazy, But that book, that's still a cool book.
Speaker 1: And what's your book called again? You are a Badass?
Speaker 1: Is it for girls? That's twelve? Yeah, it's it's a big,
Speaker 1: like yellow it's super super like poppy book. You can
Speaker 1: see it from mile away. But it's awesome. I should
Speaker 1: give you bare bones. Oh dude, I have it. I
Speaker 1: just haven't read it yet, Okay, I'm just being honest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well let me what do you mean you have it?
Speaker 1: Did you get it for free? Did you buy it
Speaker 1: with your money. Oh well, that's cool. They appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Let me know, when you read it would change your life.
Speaker 1: I'm excited change your life. Yeah. I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: see all of the reviews and they're they're all ravings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but let me tell you about those reviews. They're a
Speaker 1: little bit screwed up because I got in there one day.
Speaker 1: My my listeners are the best because I'm honest with them.
Speaker 1: They don't always they don't always enjoy me, but I'm
Speaker 1: honest with them. And so there's a respect between my
Speaker 1: listeners and myself to where even if you don't like
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm at least telling you my truth,
Speaker 1: right even and we can disagree, and that's fine most
Speaker 1: of them. And I say, hey, so because of that respect,
Speaker 1: and say, hey, give me a solid go over to
Speaker 1: Amazon and just give it five stars, everybody, even if
Speaker 1: you had like a thousand review Yes, now, to be fair,
Speaker 1: it was the New York Times best seller for four weeks. Now,
Speaker 1: I can't fake that part of it. But if you
Speaker 1: look at Amazon and don't by the way, if you're
Speaker 1: listening right now, go give it five stars. And I'm
Speaker 1: almost I'm always on my second one right now, So
Speaker 1: I'm so that comes out in June. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: I gotta read that first one first. You don't have to. No,
Speaker 1: it's not because I don't have anything else. I don't
Speaker 1: want to write the first anything. Like, I was exhausted.
Speaker 1: It's like a watch rag when you squeeze it, and
Speaker 1: a wahrag. How country dis It's it's like like you
Speaker 1: get a piece of cloth wet and you squeeze it
Speaker 1: when you ring it out, yes, and then it's like
Speaker 1: there's no more water in it. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: felt like when I finished that book. You got to
Speaker 1: dip the towel and some more water. Well, I did,
Speaker 1: and I did a ted talk and that's what I
Speaker 1: did the second book on on how to Fail and
Speaker 1: why failing is great, yes, and how it actually helps
Speaker 1: you succeed. Oh my gosh, so crazy you're saying that. Literally,
Speaker 1: on my drive here, I saw the sun setting on
Speaker 1: it sound like a hippie right now, it's still since
Speaker 1: it on the like the Nashville skyline, and I just
Speaker 1: looked at it and I had this overwhelming feeling of
Speaker 1: gratitude for all of like the bad things that I've
Speaker 1: been through this year. I was like, thank you. That's
Speaker 1: how you learn. You have to And so that's what
Speaker 1: the book is. It's oh man, I'm so excited for that.
Speaker 1: And I have people that have sent I have friends, um,
Speaker 1: like do you know Dean Sandrews's football player? So I
Speaker 1: reached out to Dion and like the governor of Arkansas,
Speaker 1: and people are like, hey, what, I don't care about
Speaker 1: their success, Like what's your worst story? Right? When were
Speaker 1: you were your lowest? Because when people see all the time,
Speaker 1: is everybody up on their high because that's what that's
Speaker 1: where everybody's looking up. Yeah, they want that hope. And
Speaker 1: so my story is and the book that I'm writing
Speaker 1: is you have to go through five hundred of those
Speaker 1: bad things to learn have resilience and even the it
Speaker 1: is that you see failed miserably so many times. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that's that's what the books about. I love that that
Speaker 1: would be the second But you can't read it until
Speaker 1: the second book unlocks after you read the first one, right,
Speaker 1: because there's a combination hidden in the first book that
Speaker 1: you can't even open the second book until it's until
Speaker 1: you find the combination. Yeah, yeah, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's a little thing we're working on, really involved. Don't
Speaker 1: drink water. Um, let me see what I have appear
Speaker 1: for you Waterloo. What is that? Oh? It is um?
Speaker 1: I like, so I stopped drinking sodas years ago. That's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I drink coke today though I love them. I
Speaker 1: was a little hungover. I love cold you. Last night
Speaker 1: action party, no, actually, which was a bad idea to
Speaker 1: do karaoke? Nope, I was there for an hour. Did
Speaker 1: they pressure you to do karaoke if you go somewhere
Speaker 1: and they're like, Cassidy, if you're a good singer, goes
Speaker 1: do some karaoke, like blow everybody's face off. No, it's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, I think. Well, first of all, and
Speaker 1: one person recognized me in that pub. Everybody else was
Speaker 1: just hammered and didn't couldn't see. So it was great.
Speaker 1: But I just I just like be lined to the
Speaker 1: back of the room because I can't handle a smokey
Speaker 1: bar like that. It was too much. It was fun.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did it. I never went before, but
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta get out here. And then
Speaker 1: we ended up going on Broadway, and you went on
Speaker 1: Broadway Broadways like the mess. It's like tourists and everybody
Speaker 1: gets just plastered and people are just peeing on the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's it at the same time. People vomit
Speaker 1: and pe at the same time, like a v or
Speaker 1: a palm it. Yeah, disgusting. You went on Broadway, Huh?
Speaker 1: I did. I just sometimes I don't care. Why don't
Speaker 1: you just hop in one of those bands, I'd be funny.
Speaker 1: I do. So my band plays. They My guitarist name
Speaker 1: is Benji, and they have their own side thing, Benji
Speaker 1: and the Jets, and they play a gig. Yeah, pretty good,
Speaker 1: and they play every Saturday night at Valentine sometimes Friday nights.
Speaker 1: And if I go, I pop up there and we
Speaker 1: do like think of you or one of my songs
Speaker 1: or something. But I don't I love it. It's like
Speaker 1: it's I'm kind of a yes girl this year, well
Speaker 1: over the past few months, and I just I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll go if I'm in my pjs on the couch.
Speaker 1: I used to be like, Nope, done at seven. I
Speaker 1: don't care if you text me I'm done for the night.
Speaker 1: But now I'll be like, all right, I got a rally.
Speaker 1: It's time to go and always something awesome happens always,
Speaker 1: but most of the time, So what do you do?
Speaker 1: What do you do today? I got what's your life like? Now?
Speaker 1: Um So, I my phone broke last night. Last night
Speaker 1: was quite the night. Okay, it didn't break because I
Speaker 1: was drinking. It broke because I just stopped charging. I
Speaker 1: was at home and I was like, this isn't charging.
Speaker 1: So I went out. I brought my iPad. It looked
Speaker 1: like a crazy picture. I package, your phone is broken,
Speaker 1: that's funny, and I was like Santa's pub trying to
Speaker 1: get WiFi and it's bad. But I. Um so, this
Speaker 1: morning my I was like, yeah, mom, I gotta go
Speaker 1: get a new phone. And she's like, don't go to
Speaker 1: the mall. Don't get a new phone because she caught
Speaker 1: me and I phone for Christmas. So I went over
Speaker 1: to she did was wrapped in everything. You have it? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's awesome. You know to use it yet No,
Speaker 1: I took me five minutes to figure out I to
Speaker 1: shut it off. So you just wanted to turn it off.
Speaker 1: I just needed to turn it off to get my servants. Basically,
Speaker 1: just push one button and hold it down. No, that's Siri. No,
Speaker 1: it's to turn it off like watch, you have to
Speaker 1: hold this button down or there it's it. Wait, am
Speaker 1: I wrong? Oh that's what it isn't even know that's me.
Speaker 1: That's an example of me being a douche right there,
Speaker 1: that's it. I was. Yes, So it's these two buttons.
Speaker 1: That's why it never turns off the Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: the phone that never shut. I only talked to Siri
Speaker 1: by saying hey, Siri, though, oh I I have used
Speaker 1: it when I'm driving to call somebody. I'm really weird.
Speaker 1: I will not touch my phone when I'm driving. That's
Speaker 1: like a big no no. Yeah, I don't either, but
Speaker 1: I don't ever push the button. Now, I say, hey,
Speaker 1: Siri called Cassidy Pope trainer to call me poop face mine. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm mature. My name is big bad Voodoo Boggy. Do
Speaker 1: you know how a big bad boodo daddy is. I
Speaker 1: never heard a big bad boody daddy, not bad voodoo daddy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's a mouthful, big bad boody daddy. Back in
Speaker 1: the people abbreviate that mm hmm. Here. Back in like
Speaker 1: the nineties or at least two thousands, this big band
Speaker 1: thing came back. It was like Brian sets Or Orchestra
Speaker 1: and Big Bad Boodoo Daddy. They're also in Swingers, okay,
Speaker 1: and the band Yeah, I know you're talking. Yeah I
Speaker 1: don't know their music and so no nobody does. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: dick it, that's good. You would know. I bet you
Speaker 1: kind of know this song No hold on You Me
Speaker 1: and the Bottle Make three. You see, you don't even
Speaker 1: a good music. You need to be on people to
Speaker 1: know good music. Jim, do you know Cherry Pop and
Speaker 1: Daddy's like zoot Suit, Riot, Ze, Sue Riot. What are
Speaker 1: you saying? Oh my goodness, Cherry by the way, what
Speaker 1: a bad name for all my mouse went out every
Speaker 1: way They're called Cherry Pop and Daddy's that's name, yeah
Speaker 1: it is. But zoot Suit Riot, Riot Back, bottle of Beer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's this one. So this is this is the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And like the late nineties or the two thousands where
Speaker 1: all these bands that were big band, we're all in
Speaker 1: pop radio. This is when I was like a teenager
Speaker 1: on pop radio. So I don't remember that. I was
Speaker 1: very I was in like into Michelle Branch or something.
Speaker 1: But again I was on the radio. Yeah, you had
Speaker 1: to know everything out, all of it. Hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you this one. You're gonna do you do
Speaker 1: you remember Doug, the guy that did the cartoon dog Dude, Dude,
Speaker 1: go ahead. He did um covers of like pump songs,
Speaker 1: but he did it in like a Sinatra way. He
Speaker 1: wasn't real artist. I mean, I don't want to say that. No,
Speaker 1: I mean he wasn't to make his own stuff up.
Speaker 1: I don't think. So. It looks like this is all
Speaker 1: look out, jump driving well or something. Jump job, jump
Speaker 1: job job. So you were like ten or something. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was probably into Backstreet Boys. Eight. I take a
Speaker 1: picture of the Backstreet Boys all in. It was all
Speaker 1: in me and my eyes were closed. So it was
Speaker 1: my one shot. Was all everybody was in because they
Speaker 1: were like, we take a picture of my eyes were closed.
Speaker 1: Hang it. I'm at them at the a c m
Speaker 1: MS last year. This year, I met in this year honors. No,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, a c m S I was at.
Speaker 1: I met him at CMT Artists of the Year. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't go to that, gotcha? Okay, Yeah, it'd be
Speaker 1: pretty cool to get in the door there. This was
Speaker 1: my coming, I'm coming back. Okay. So just to recap,
Speaker 1: it's a lot. No, I think it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of life. It's so much life, but I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of life. I think you
Speaker 1: probably learned a lot in this last year, more than
Speaker 1: more than the last seven years. It's so true. It's
Speaker 1: once I was like, okay, I'm gonna start following my heart.
Speaker 1: That's when everything went crazy. It was like a ship store.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, we want It was like a ship storm.
Speaker 1: We don't think we're live on the radio. If not,
Speaker 1: you're gonna sadly disappointed. Nobody's calling in where everybody it
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I just once I started doing that,
Speaker 1: it was really bad. At first, I was like, why
Speaker 1: did I do this again? Why did I fire everybody
Speaker 1: and break up with my nex? And then and then
Speaker 1: now I'm like, oh got it. I'm so much happier.
Speaker 1: I feel cleansed. M good for you. I would be
Speaker 1: as a dude. As a dude, and now we're dating
Speaker 1: a girl that was just out of a seven year relationship.
Speaker 1: Be one. Well, I'm not like tough. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: as a dude, even though I would act cool and
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I have, but I would be like,
Speaker 1: oh really yeah, because it's you wonder yea, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm it's I mean, I can say it's all blue
Speaker 1: in the face, but yeah, it's that's done. Like if
Speaker 1: you were dating a dude who was in a relationship
Speaker 1: for ten years basically and he's been out for a
Speaker 1: few months, when you want to be like, I wonder
Speaker 1: what part of that he's holding on too? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm honest, I'm like, I always love him, I respect him,
Speaker 1: He's amazing. Nobody did anything wrong. But it's if you like,
Speaker 1: unless I give you a reason to not trust me,
Speaker 1: then I think you should just be open up your
Speaker 1: heart and be open minded. I like to share with
Speaker 1: you my favorite thing about me. If you don't wind,
Speaker 1: you don't have an open hair. No, it's I love
Speaker 1: to give a relationship advice, and I can't keep one
Speaker 1: together to say, my freaking life. It's like, it's like
Speaker 1: five years of let me give you some great relationship advice.
Speaker 1: Yet here's the blind audition from you. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: how you doing. Do you remember the song you did torn, Natalie.
Speaker 1: I remember walking up the stairs and I had a
Speaker 1: ring on and I put my hand on the railing.
Speaker 1: It was like dead silent was like where a yeah,
Speaker 1: like I think it was the universal lot. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you went this is on the show show Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you had to sing somewhere else first, right? Oh yeah?
Speaker 1: I had Like they did a um, what's it called
Speaker 1: a rain a private audition, and I came and I
Speaker 1: kind of skipped you're a ringer? Did they find? They
Speaker 1: said you were hey Monday. Yeah. They were like, we
Speaker 1: heard you left the band. When you come audition? They
Speaker 1: asked me the year before. I said no, and they
Speaker 1: asked me again, and I was like, okay, that's time.
Speaker 1: Here's torn snow Midwick used to lie. This conversation all
Speaker 1: three immediately took a minute. Well, it was tough because
Speaker 1: you started falling back in your chair, like you didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear that is making you comfortable. I can
Speaker 1: hear the nerves in my voice. And of course you're
Speaker 1: you're like, how old were you when you did this?
Speaker 1: Twenty two? Okay, you're twenty two and you're on NBC. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's listen again, snow Midwick, you used to lie this conversation.
Speaker 1: Here's that family. Oh jeez, you're gonna make me cry now.
Speaker 1: So that was my mom, my sister, my friend who
Speaker 1: passed two years ago, who I just got this tattoo for.
Speaker 1: I saw, I saw your Instagram post you getting it
Speaker 1: done yet? Yeah? He was one of my best friends, um,
Speaker 1: my old friend, my one of my oldest friends, Ali
Speaker 1: who I've known since I was in preschool, and Ryan,
Speaker 1: my ex. And it was like, I mean it was crazy,
Speaker 1: Like I I walked into the room after the audition
Speaker 1: and I was just looking at them like okay, somebody
Speaker 1: pinched me? Is this for real? Like did all four
Speaker 1: just turn around? Like because I was scared, I left
Speaker 1: the band and I was like, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: I could this is comfortable, I could keep doing this,
Speaker 1: And you know, we just got out of our record deal,
Speaker 1: so we felt kind of free, like we could go
Speaker 1: anywhere if we wanted. But I knew deep down it
Speaker 1: was probably not going to happen for us, and so
Speaker 1: I left. But like that was the validation, Like crazy,
Speaker 1: what do you think when you hear yourself singing there?
Speaker 1: I don't like it. You know, I've heard just sing
Speaker 1: a bunch of times. I wouldn't think that was you.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think it's that good. No, it's not,
Speaker 1: because here's what happens when you get nervous. Your throat
Speaker 1: closes up really and I like my main problem on
Speaker 1: that the whole show. I was at the very bottom
Speaker 1: of my potential the whole time because of nerves, and
Speaker 1: any time I get nervous, my low notes go away.
Speaker 1: So like the finale for Crys, like, so you won
Speaker 1: the show nervous, yes, man, because you're a really good
Speaker 1: singer and I've been able to watch you sing in person,
Speaker 1: like you're fantastic. You're one of the upper echelon vocalists.
Speaker 1: And I hear this and I go, huh. They all
Speaker 1: turned aroun a little too quick for my For me,
Speaker 1: I was like, they around that, they run that like
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. I was like, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was pretty fast. I was like, really, okay, conversation,
Speaker 1: that's quick. It's fast there. They I think they just
Speaker 1: heard something. Maybe you knew good, don't know, but I do.
Speaker 1: You're you're really fantastic. That's not a slight in anyway. No,
Speaker 1: I literally don't. I tell me bold it's okay. I
Speaker 1: tell people all the time like that, that's not a
Speaker 1: good representation of my voice at all because I was
Speaker 1: so nervous. Now, here's some of your hip hop albums.
Speaker 1: Are you apologized well for the age? Here's some from
Speaker 1: Hey Monday, Here's Candles. You ever listen to that? No?
Speaker 1: I don't. Don't. I can't because because I'm like embarrassed
Speaker 1: by my writing. You always should be. Okay, here's what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about some of my right in
Speaker 1: my book. If you're you don't have to even be creating.
Speaker 1: If you're making and that's progress. If you're making progress,
Speaker 1: we're in a creative film, but you don't have been
Speaker 1: a creative film to make progress or something. If you
Speaker 1: are working and you're making progress or something and you're
Speaker 1: not able to look back at be embarrassed something you
Speaker 1: did a year ago, two years ago, then you are
Speaker 1: not moving in the right direction. You should always look
Speaker 1: back and go because the more you're embarrassed of it,
Speaker 1: the more you've grown. Yeah. Oh totally. I can't believe
Speaker 1: I wrote a song called Candles. Blow the Candles Out
Speaker 1: looks like a solo Tonight I'm beginning to see the light.
Speaker 1: That was the chorus, I mean to night, sorry to
Speaker 1: night to night, yeah, No, I don't give us some
Speaker 1: hard time. This has called homecoming you everything together for
Speaker 1: like hey Monday reunion show. You know, it's crazy. I
Speaker 1: ran into the guitarist Mike Genteel for the first time
Speaker 1: in probably eight years the other night at a basement
Speaker 1: East and we were talking about how next October is
Speaker 1: the ten year anniversary of that album. What's everybody doing.
Speaker 1: He is doing sinks for um, like he's building singing.
Speaker 1: He's yes, he's building sinks. No. Um. I literally thought
Speaker 1: what she meant, dude. I thought somewhere I was like,
Speaker 1: good for him. It's like when you when your music
Speaker 1: gets placed in like a commercial or something. He's killing
Speaker 1: it with that. He's got his songs and he just
Speaker 1: had a song in the Cars movie and stuff. So
Speaker 1: he's doing great. He's really good. He's showed me some
Speaker 1: stuff he's producing. But he's awesome. And then Um, the
Speaker 1: other guitarist is doing kind of the same thing in
Speaker 1: West Palm Beach. He's he's doing like producing some rappers
Speaker 1: in West Palm and stuff. Um the drummer is I
Speaker 1: think he has some sort of He and I don't
Speaker 1: keep in touch very much. Elliott has some sort of
Speaker 1: like design company. I could be so wrong on this,
Speaker 1: so he's going to kill me. But yeah, they're everybody's
Speaker 1: doing great. Reason the man broke up A yeah they
Speaker 1: were at first. Yeah, and we had a tour to
Speaker 1: do after I like try to make it so they
Speaker 1: had time to find other gigs, um, and we had.
Speaker 1: We went to Brazil together and it was like a
Speaker 1: torturous trip because I knew they all hated me. And
Speaker 1: we were like, did you already tell them you're breaks?
Speaker 1: So you told them did this show is to give
Speaker 1: them time to find other works? Yes? And you stopped
Speaker 1: the band because you weren't. We we left the label,
Speaker 1: We left Colombia because they didn't care anymore, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is a bad situation. We got out.
Speaker 1: We usually had a tour booked every year, like a
Speaker 1: year in advance. We had nothing booked. I was paying
Speaker 1: everything out of pocket at that point. I hadn't had
Speaker 1: the success I have now. So you're running the band.
Speaker 1: I was running. Yeah, I was running everything, and I
Speaker 1: was like I can't literally can't afford it. A and B.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be you know, like twenty eight
Speaker 1: and still in this band and still struggling, like I
Speaker 1: am gonna make it with or without this band. Like
Speaker 1: I I believe in myself, I would love to do
Speaker 1: it with you guys, but this doesn't feel right and
Speaker 1: like I gotta go, and so I mean, I was
Speaker 1: brutally honest with them. I was like this, this just
Speaker 1: isn't working. And it took a while for everybody to
Speaker 1: kind of get over it. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of ship talking when I was on the
Speaker 1: Voice and stuff, because I didn't leave the band for
Speaker 1: the Voice. Even I left the band just to leave
Speaker 1: the band. I was like, this isn't it and moved
Speaker 1: to l A, tried to do a solo thing, did
Speaker 1: an AP with my friend Gorvy. I just mentioned who
Speaker 1: passed and he you know, we I put it out
Speaker 1: so I could like I got it out right before
Speaker 1: the Voice, because I was like, oh my god, they
Speaker 1: locked you up. This is gonna be great. I can
Speaker 1: sell it. And it literally it like paid off so much,
Speaker 1: so many debts, so much like my rent. So really
Speaker 1: so you got out in time and then people bought
Speaker 1: it while you were on the Voice. That's because I
Speaker 1: have a friend who went on the voice. See the
Speaker 1: more recently and she had music Natalie, Yeah, and she
Speaker 1: couldn't put it out. Yeah, and then it was like
Speaker 1: then you have to wait another x amount of days
Speaker 1: after you're off to put it out and you don't
Speaker 1: really and well with her, she had recorded it before.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was her music, but they don't let
Speaker 1: you put it out in your window from when they
Speaker 1: come to you because she was one of the special
Speaker 1: like they recruited her, right and she did it. She's
Speaker 1: like okay, and she didn't she can't put anything out
Speaker 1: for like three months prior because she's locked in a
Speaker 1: hotel room and then she can't put it out during
Speaker 1: the show. And she was just able to put it
Speaker 1: like last week or you know, whenever she had wine
Speaker 1: or whiskey, right, and so it's kind of it's yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of was like, well, if people see me
Speaker 1: and they go and they look me up, there's one
Speaker 1: day and that's gonna be Columbia, So might as well
Speaker 1: try and get something out that's mine. So that was
Speaker 1: that was nice. Here's one of those old songs that
Speaker 1: you did. Here you go mid conversation every time she's like,
Speaker 1: oh you found that. Come was a little to the
Speaker 1: days and death, but drive away and take his love.
Speaker 1: So I just feel like my voice has changed so much. Puberty,
Speaker 1: man change. I don't know if you watch Brady Bunch
Speaker 1: or if you ever did watch The Brady Man when
Speaker 1: he was going, who was going? Peter? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: poor guy. Now listen, I wasn't alive when The Brady
Speaker 1: Bunch is on, but I watched three runs. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: just making sure that well it wasn't black and white
Speaker 1: still in all right, listen, good talk. We've been talking
Speaker 1: for how long? I all right? Pretty pretty good? Didn't
Speaker 1: he felt like I'm a treat to talk to. I
Speaker 1: got nothing to say when the mics offt like good,
Speaker 1: Mike's come on, Hey, everybody walk on having a good time,
Speaker 1: having fun. What we've learned is it's a new start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and people can be listening to this next year because
Speaker 1: he sings to live forever. But um, if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this now, which is before February, that's probably when
Speaker 1: new music is coming out, yeah, most likely, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing it independently still unless somebody comes and
Speaker 1: gobbles you up. Yeah, which yeah, I don't really care.
Speaker 1: I just I want to I want to do it
Speaker 1: independently because I've never gotten. I haven't been able to
Speaker 1: in so long. It feels good. And you will be
Speaker 1: reading bare bones I will simultaneously during all of this. Yes, No,
Speaker 1: you read that like a week Are you fast reader? Nope?
Speaker 1: You reading like a weekend of the day. I like
Speaker 1: get distracted by everything and anything, my dog, like the
Speaker 1: car driving by. It's the problem. Where are you standing?
Speaker 1: All right? Um at Cassidy Pope, let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question. This is this is a good question. You
Speaker 1: put out a picture like two months ago maybe, and
Speaker 1: you were like in a crop top and you're standing
Speaker 1: next to old ford. Yeah okay, and we were was
Speaker 1: that a hate to the ex boyfriend? Like I'm in shape?
Speaker 1: And put this picture out for the world because no
Speaker 1: new music came and we were debating about this, like no,
Speaker 1: why were you next to that old truck? So that's
Speaker 1: like that is the photo shoot for this new music
Speaker 1: and I kind of wanted it to be like a
Speaker 1: nod like, hey, there's a new era coming. Um, you
Speaker 1: didn't say that, You just put the picture out. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: next time you gotta say new Eric coming or something.
Speaker 1: But because we're all like you're trying to stick it
Speaker 1: to her X. That's what most of America felt like,
Speaker 1: because I didn't want that. I mean no, no, I
Speaker 1: I just I wanted people to see, like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: cut my hair and got a different vibe going. And
Speaker 1: I didn't know that when the music would be coming out,
Speaker 1: so like the word I hate when like I've teased
Speaker 1: music in the past and then it never came and
Speaker 1: fans were like, whatever happened to that? So I didn't
Speaker 1: want to like mislead. So I just but I like
Speaker 1: the picture. That picture. Yeah, we talked about it would
Speaker 1: not stopped talking about. Yeah, that was so cool. Well,
Speaker 1: because we were like, what is she trying to say?
Speaker 1: Interpret this picture? Hey, everybody can read it the way
Speaker 1: they want to read It's right, all right, that's good
Speaker 1: to see you at Cassidy Pope on all the stuff, right,
Speaker 1: yeah is it? That's it? And I've just been handed this.
Speaker 1: I'll check this out. This is uh, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: We'll see you, uh, we'll see you soon, probably on
Speaker 1: the big radio show soon. But okay, well that's an
Speaker 1: episode ninety four and thanks to our sponsor oh yes,
Speaker 1: sleep now right, thank you very much. And now we'll
Speaker 1: see you next time.