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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Leslie Mitchell Clark with US, Toronto based certified

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Speaker 1: clinical hypnotherapist who specializes in a number of modalities, including

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Speaker 1: working with individuals who feel that they might have had

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Speaker 1: experiences with extraterrestrial beings and most of this work has

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Speaker 1: just been fantastic, as well as metaphysical therapy such as

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Speaker 1: past life and inter life regression. All takes place at

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Speaker 1: Leslie's Toronto hypnosis clinic at Light Work Hypnosis. Leslie is

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Speaker 1: also currently the director of LMC Media offices in Toronto

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Speaker 1: and in New York City, her hometown. Leslie, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the program. Oh George, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm very honored and excited to be chatting with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm told by a little Bertie that you and I

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Speaker 1: met in Toronto at our live event at the Queen

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Theater. We absolutely did. Now, I didn't get to

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Speaker 1: dance with you, I must say that, but we did

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Speaker 1: have a nice little chat after the show. I was

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Speaker 1: with my friend, said Goldberg, and it was very, very

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Speaker 1: nice to meet you in person. And it's been a

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Speaker 1: while since you've been to Toronto. I think I think

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Speaker 1: it's time to come again. I do absolutely. It is

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Speaker 1: that our buddy Sid from Gaya. Yes, yes, that's our

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Speaker 1: mutual buddy Sid from Gaya. Ya's a good guy, hard worker,

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Speaker 1: indeed hard worker. How did you get involved in all

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Speaker 1: of this? Well, you know, George, I've always been fascinated

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Speaker 1: with uphology since the earliest memories that I have my

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Speaker 1: dad at a telescope and we watched the skies. But

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Speaker 1: I think that the thing that was most determinant of

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Speaker 1: my work where my own personal experiences that happened when

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Speaker 1: I was about sixteen or seventeen years old and I

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Speaker 1: was away working at a summer stock theater as an

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Speaker 1: apprentice actor, and I had not only many many sightings

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Speaker 1: during you know, one specific summer, but I had the

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Speaker 1: occasion to know that one of my one of my

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Speaker 1: still living. I've tried to find her. She'd be a

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Speaker 1: little bit older than myself, but she was a company member,

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Speaker 1: reasons we were having all these sightings and all of

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Speaker 1: this Craft was obvious during the summer is because she

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Speaker 1: with the government. She normally lived in Las Vegas, and

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Speaker 1: I guess every day or so, you know, she'd get

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Speaker 1: and they'd take her out to Dreamland or a Dulcie,

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Speaker 1: one of the bases out there. And she worked in

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Speaker 1: telepathic communications. She was very, very psychic, naturally psychic person.

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Speaker 1: She was one of many, as I understand it, and

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Speaker 1: she had decided that she no longer wanted to work

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Speaker 1: in this area. It was exhausting. I can only imagine

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Speaker 1: what that would be like, being so involved with the

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Speaker 1: government in that way. So she tried to leave, and

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Speaker 1: one of the things she was doing to escape was

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Speaker 1: coming to work at a summer theater. Unfortunately, it was

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Speaker 1: not an escape. They she was constantly being um, how

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Speaker 1: shall I say, contacted by craft and government people. And

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Speaker 1: I even saw one day and George, this is this

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Speaker 1: is actually the truth. It is so unbelievable, but it's true.

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Speaker 1: We were I was lounging at the snack bar, something

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Speaker 1: the men in black. And the car pulled in to

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Speaker 1: It looked, if without a better description, looked very plastic,

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Speaker 1: cliche that we have been told about so many times now.

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Speaker 1: One of the unusual things about these these visitors is

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Speaker 1: that they were wearing Their pants were very high up,

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Speaker 1: often wondered if they were waited in some way. At

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Speaker 1: ings of craft. Every time we drove into town, every

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Speaker 1: we were we were followed by what I would call

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Speaker 1: was quite something. Now, how didn't you lead into hypnotherapy? Well,

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Speaker 1: I have always been involved in mental healthcare. And when

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Speaker 1: psychiatric technician, which is like a psychiatric nurse, and I

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Speaker 1: a past life regression with with a hyptotherapist experience, you

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Speaker 1: were you were the patient I was the patient and

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Speaker 1: the experience was so illuminated, but illuminating, but it was

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Speaker 1: illuminating in the sense that I felt, this is something

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Speaker 1: And it was really like a huge epiphany. And not

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Speaker 1: by your friend, doctor Georgie mccannon, my metur and that

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Speaker 1: legitimate experiences. When you first started to hypnotherapy with these people, Leslie,

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Speaker 1: what did you think personally? Well, I kept an open

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Speaker 1: you can imagine, not everybody who approaches me for therapy

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Speaker 1: it's my responsibility to sort that out exactly, which I do.

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Speaker 1: Before I see anyone, I have an extended phone consultation

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Speaker 1: by that time, by the time I'm done with that,

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Speaker 1: asked them a specific question, and I said, doctor Simon,

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Speaker 1: lying about it, indeed, And that was the important thing.

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Speaker 1: And do you find that the same when you do

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Speaker 1: hypnotherapy with somebody? That absolutely? Absolutely, George. Now, you know,

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Speaker 1: post traumatic stress disorder, right shot, he was, he was

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Speaker 1: He was PTSD before there was PTS. Yes, yes he was.

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Speaker 1: didn't know, no, he didn't know what. In fact, one

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately it's it's it's very unhealthy to uncover memories

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Speaker 1: and then stuff them back in Leslie. As we roll

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Speaker 1: the intersections in the book you wrote with west Or Roberts.

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Speaker 1: The experience itself overall is being done to these individuals.

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Speaker 1: Have you concluded why it's happening to them? Well, George,

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Speaker 1: I think we have a number of things going on,

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Speaker 1: and I also believe that we have many, many species

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Speaker 1: least from what I'm seeing, upwards of ninety percent are

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Speaker 1: some of the more negative aspects of the ET contact

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Speaker 1: phenomena which occurred right after Roswell, and I think that

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Speaker 1: those terrible experiences I'm hearing about less and less. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's just bizarre, though, isn't it. Yes, the implants and

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Speaker 1: They're all to determine most I suppose I think one

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Speaker 1: of the most interesting things that has had I'm going

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Speaker 1: And he would explain that that was, you know, for

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Speaker 1: call it like a last chance Texico. You know, they've

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Speaker 1: What is the gain? Well, the reason they come to

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Speaker 1: they just want to know. And George, we are I

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Speaker 1: incredibly curious people. And it's my personal belief that no

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Speaker 1: And when they finally when I get them under and

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Speaker 1: finally began the experiencers begin to understand that they are

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Speaker 1: not insane, that they have they have been experiencing something

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