Speaker 1: Hey everyone, It's Tor and I'm Anissa and this is
Speaker 1: MTV's official Challenge podcast. This week on the podcast, we
Speaker 1: have Leah Gillingwater and we talked to her about the
Speaker 1: Real World Paris, competing with so many other parents and
Speaker 1: even a little bit of Brad and CTE. So let's
Speaker 1: get into it. Whoaed him? Bring you Halloween edition? She
Speaker 1: was on Real World Paris, The Inferno and All Stars
Speaker 1: to please welcome Leah Gillingwater. Yeah, as requested in a
Speaker 1: British accent and Lisa, that was well done. Leah, How
Speaker 1: how are you? How have you been since the filming
Speaker 1: of All Stars Too? I have been, I have been
Speaker 1: the best. I have an incredible son, my career has
Speaker 1: shifted recently in such an incredible way, and I left
Speaker 1: with such dope people. So All Starts Too was probably
Speaker 1: one of the best things that ever happened to me.
Speaker 1: I love this, you know it really it really truly was.
Speaker 1: Honestly it was like my takeaways like, yes, I did
Speaker 1: not get the money, I get that part, but I
Speaker 1: left I scored so much there You've no idea, Oh
Speaker 1: tell us, let go that in my heart. What specifically
Speaker 1: do you feel like you benefit it. In what way
Speaker 1: did you benefit? Um, well, I got to be face
Speaker 1: to face with how uncomfortable I am around people, because
Speaker 1: I was like, and it's weird because I'm a producer,
Speaker 1: so I'm usually on the other side of things. So
Speaker 1: my vibe on that show was kind of like late,
Speaker 1: like you need to stand down and let them do
Speaker 1: their job. But in my little brain, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you'd definitely be doing this better. You shouldn't be doing that,
Speaker 1: Like oh, it's you know, but I minded my manners
Speaker 1: from you know, a production standpoint, but it was it
Speaker 1: was just it was really weird to be on that side.
Speaker 1: And the cameras don't phase me, like you can put
Speaker 1: in my face it doesn't. But I was very awkward.
Speaker 1: And when I left the show, being on it for
Speaker 1: thirty to forty minutes, maybe at best, I left with
Speaker 1: solid people that I loved. And when I talked to
Speaker 1: Ryan I can't remember Ryan and I cannot remember how
Speaker 1: we got on the phone, but he was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize you were so awkward, quirky and cool, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what, yeah, And I am all of
Speaker 1: those things. Yes, Oh night, you're talking about Ryan Keo Rank. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're best friends, they're soulmates. You kissed them on the mouth.
Speaker 1: I see, and I did that with my best friend too.
Speaker 1: It's the only way to show that, like we are
Speaker 1: really bonded. We do and we spoon when yeah we
Speaker 1: Yeah he's great and Lou we spent um and Jasmine
Speaker 1: as well, Yeah she's great. She's franked dope. Were you
Speaker 1: friends with Ryan before the show or these all friendships
Speaker 1: you acquire during? So out of the twenty four cast members,
Speaker 1: I only knew too. I knew Kenny or Kendall and
Speaker 1: Katie and everyone else what they were just strangers I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew Brad. So you have a crush on Brad?
Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? Because people can't see how
Speaker 1: you're like just falling apart, and talking about a crush
Speaker 1: is putting it mildly, like a slight obsession, like if
Speaker 1: you lived in the same town. Well, I don't obsess
Speaker 1: over things because I just don't. That's just not my style.
Speaker 1: But Brad, oh my god, he's in a relationship zone
Speaker 1: and I respect. Yeah, Brad's a gem, he's a good
Speaker 1: he's a good guy. He came so we all went
Speaker 1: to Chicago for New Year's. It was me, Jazz Ryan,
Speaker 1: the Lost You might know Aaron Commings because she works
Speaker 1: for Student City. She's like the lost challenger that never
Speaker 1: meet She she didn't try, but she knows all of us. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we all went to my house in Chicago for
Speaker 1: New Year's and Brad came, Oh, oh, you're so excited
Speaker 1: still So does the ghost of Brad still haunt you
Speaker 1: while you're in the house, Like you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: remember he was standing over there three months ago drinking
Speaker 1: water his girlfriend. Because you know what, you know what
Speaker 1: it is, it's just me being apathetic. He's super cute,
Speaker 1: but you know what, and I'm sure Brad gets a
Speaker 1: kick out of it. Yeah, but he's he is darling
Speaker 1: and he is I mean, and we can go into
Speaker 1: the therapy session at this point. Well, that's beautiful that
Speaker 1: you got to, you know, have to experience All Stars
Speaker 1: too with Brad. Obviously, was there anybody else specifically that
Speaker 1: you were like, Wow, I can't believe I got to
Speaker 1: connect with this person. I I genuinely liked everyone in
Speaker 1: the house. I genuinely did. Um. I didn't like Derek
Speaker 1: Kazynski at first because we had a couple of buokward moments,
Speaker 1: and there's like this whole like thing that I haven't
Speaker 1: been on television in eighteen years. When I did The Inferno,
Speaker 1: which was my last challenge, it was like Mal and
Speaker 1: I calling each other, Oh, are you doing it? Cool?
Speaker 1: Then I'll do it, Like we didn't. We didn't know
Speaker 1: what we were doing right, right, right, So it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: and there's this whole game you have to play aside
Speaker 1: from the physical part. There's this whole shit that I
Speaker 1: did not fucking know about and alliances and all of that,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of popped in and right, I
Speaker 1: mean the first like deliberation, I was like, okay, so cool,
Speaker 1: You're just this is all just a friendship, Like fuck you, Like,
Speaker 1: I did not do that badly in the first child.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I really didn't, you know. And I prepared
Speaker 1: for it like I did the ship that someone should
Speaker 1: do when going into something like this, like working out
Speaker 1: and like mentally preparing, like what what style of preparation
Speaker 1: are you specifically referring to, um, I worked the fuck
Speaker 1: out well, I have for a while, so I am
Speaker 1: physically fit to compete in this ship. But I didn't
Speaker 1: have am I allowed to cost y'all. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're already going, let's go. Um. But yeah, I you know,
Speaker 1: I've been getting my body physically fit for quite some
Speaker 1: time for my personal self, just for me in life.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, I have to run like
Speaker 1: like a five and a half minute mile, and I've
Speaker 1: a half minute mile. I tried. I didn't do it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think that's fucking insane, so bad, that is so fast. Goodbye.
Speaker 1: It's like a lightning, lightning bolt. But it's just a mile.
Speaker 1: It's not like a day through like the Adirondacs or
Speaker 1: whatever fucking Mount Vesuvious you can climb. It's no, it's
Speaker 1: not that. But no. Physically fit, I mean, I'm healthy
Speaker 1: and I'm with it. But I got I totally got
Speaker 1: voted in because I didn't know anyone. Yeah, politics, but
Speaker 1: I think it's easy and it's easy to vote in
Speaker 1: the person that like doesn't have that has the least
Speaker 1: amount of connections because you don't hurt as many feelings.
Speaker 1: Because when you vote in a person who's like friends
Speaker 1: with this person or friends with this person or has
Speaker 1: a big alliance that may come and get you a
Speaker 1: very different situation. It really and I was just so
Speaker 1: unaware of all of that. And when Brad got to
Speaker 1: ore for a New Year's Day to my house in Chicago,
Speaker 1: he I was giving him and his girlfriend tore the
Speaker 1: house and he was like, you know, I have to apologize,
Speaker 1: and I was like for what when he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry I voted you in, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: even if, like you could have voted Casey in and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have mattered because I had no one on
Speaker 1: my side, but it hurt my feelings because I love you.
Speaker 1: And he was like, the house decided. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: not personal sometimes when it's like your friends have to
Speaker 1: fall in line because that's the way it's going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he was like, are you mad at me? And
Speaker 1: I look at him and I'm like, I could never
Speaker 1: be mad at you back, But no, I understand the
Speaker 1: politics of it, and I would love the opportunity to
Speaker 1: go back on a challenge because I would politic the
Speaker 1: fuck out of that. Like I love that everyone God
Speaker 1: damn Christmas card. Yeah, I love that. Come back Lee's
Speaker 1: friends with every single person. Yeah, and I will send
Speaker 1: your children birthday presents whatever. Yeah, So I want to
Speaker 1: I want to take it all the way back, because
Speaker 1: I feel like your season was number one, your original sixteen,
Speaker 1: so you were two after me. Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: know what that was like, your casting story, what made
Speaker 1: you want to be on it? Uh? Did you watch
Speaker 1: a show before? So? I saw, never watched the show.
Speaker 1: I saw two episodes of Chicago. Yeah, that's that's me. Hey,
Speaker 1: she wasn't a Nissa fan. I don't know if she
Speaker 1: was a fan, but she watched I'm certainly fan now
Speaker 1: and I was by And I hope she and I
Speaker 1: can be friends. I hope Tory likes me too. He's
Speaker 1: like I watched a couple of I didn't want my
Speaker 1: college roommate, Dawn. She wanted to try out for road Rules. No,
Speaker 1: I had no clue what it was, and I got,
Speaker 1: I mean, full disclosure, I got super I hope my
Speaker 1: son can't hear me. I got super drunk. And I
Speaker 1: was in college super drunk. The night before I fell
Speaker 1: off a carb and broke my wrist and we were
Speaker 1: supposed to film her casting tape to send in, and
Speaker 1: I was I was probably still a little bit drunk,
Speaker 1: but also being killers in a cast like I was,
Speaker 1: I was the hottest mass ever and yeah. So she's
Speaker 1: like and I was like, well, you tested on me
Speaker 1: because we're using a VHS by the way, like a
Speaker 1: cam corner from them. Yeah, that's what it was. Then
Speaker 1: do you know what they are? You put your VHS
Speaker 1: VHS tape inside of it. I used to make Barbie movies. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to see one of them. All right, so
Speaker 1: we I was like, you can do it on May.
Speaker 1: So Dawn, my college roommate who adore, She's like, all right,
Speaker 1: so they're going to ask a certain questions, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask your questions. And I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: And I'm laying in bed, my hair is soaking wet,
Speaker 1: my cast is up in the air, and I at
Speaker 1: this point have taken quite a few painkillers and she's
Speaker 1: asking me questions and I was like, I have really
Speaker 1: good hair. I'm currently sleeping with my hairdresser who did
Speaker 1: not do my hair today. And then we did her
Speaker 1: video and that's what was sent in. So you didn't
Speaker 1: send in your video or your video was on her video.
Speaker 1: Dawn sent in both of videos. Oh my gosh, you
Speaker 1: got on it and she didn't. She was fucking livid.
Speaker 1: She's such a dope ass chick. She was like hell yeah.
Speaker 1: So I got a call and we're all like spooning
Speaker 1: in bed because I obviously had the best bedroom and
Speaker 1: she we get a call from and and he said,
Speaker 1: do you know do you remember I can't remember his
Speaker 1: last name. He's tracing Bacy. Yep. He called and he
Speaker 1: was like, it's trade. Do you want to be on
Speaker 1: the real world? And I was like the what. He
Speaker 1: was like, you want to go to Paris? And I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I have to graduate college in two days.
Speaker 1: And he was like can you leave January twelfth? And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't have anything booked, like
Speaker 1: I don't have a job line up. And I grab
Speaker 1: like I'm like I'm a child. Basically, oh my god.
Speaker 1: That's that's how it all happened. That Wait, you didn't
Speaker 1: go through the audition process, and like one interview, two interviews,
Speaker 1: three interviews. LA. They brought me to LA and I
Speaker 1: think they were really intrigued because and I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but I rerouted my trip back from LA because I
Speaker 1: had never been to Vegas. And I met some dude
Speaker 1: in airport and at LAX and he was I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing. He's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I have no idea. I'm going
Speaker 1: back to school. But have you ever been to Vegas?
Speaker 1: And he was like no, and I said me neither.
Speaker 1: So I rerouted my trip and went to Vegas and
Speaker 1: it was this was like back in the day. We're
Speaker 1: talking almost twenty years ago. So I just like changed
Speaker 1: a flight and like didn't have to go through all
Speaker 1: of the process. So it went back to Beuna Murray.
Speaker 1: So they called it. They called me a couple of
Speaker 1: days later and they were like, did you go to Vegas?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I have time on my
Speaker 1: hands and they were like, oh, my gods, she's a
Speaker 1: fucking monatic. Probably, so yeah, that's kind of how it
Speaker 1: all happens. Wow, that's crazy. Were you worried about filming
Speaker 1: Real World in Paris? I mean, like, that's a completely
Speaker 1: different country. They speak a different language, and obviously a
Speaker 1: lot of people are there to speak English, but still
Speaker 1: like you're you're going to know another place. I'm not
Speaker 1: really afraid of anything at all. I'm really not. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm really not that I'm like a gangster,
Speaker 1: but I'm just not afraid of shit. Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like just letting it. I'm not a gangster, but
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm afraid of shit. No, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: really not. So none of that phased me. Like I
Speaker 1: kind of go into life and situations like head first.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, let's go, let's do it, like and
Speaker 1: it perhaps it could be a bad thing that I
Speaker 1: don't think it through, but I was like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: and I was I just graduated college and there's no
Speaker 1: way that I was going to go to Paris on
Speaker 1: my own, Like I couldn't afford that. So I was like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, let's go. So no, I didn't have any reservations.
Speaker 1: I was super pissed when we got there because we
Speaker 1: didn't live in the city. Yeah, they never let you
Speaker 1: live in the city. Well, we lived in the city,
Speaker 1: but I feel like with Paris, they were like, let's
Speaker 1: find you someplace that's not where you can't get lost
Speaker 1: in Like, no, well you know what happened some dude
Speaker 1: where we lived. So um. We were supposed to be
Speaker 1: and this is my understanding from production, and it was
Speaker 1: a conversation with Tracy. We were supposed to be real
Speaker 1: world San Diego and unfortunately, yeah, unfortunate. Oh then Brad
Speaker 1: and I would have been like life could have been
Speaker 1: very different, dear. But Mary Ellis unfortunately was sick and
Speaker 1: her dream was to have real world Paris. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's so nice. So yeah, so they Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: house that we lived in is Chteau that we lived
Speaker 1: in was owned by a gentleman that production knew in
Speaker 1: New York. So it was like an easy location scale, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to just go there and without having to like find something.
Speaker 1: They my understanding base from the conversations we have with
Speaker 1: John Murray and Tracy, they basically rerouted our season. It
Speaker 1: was supposed to be in San Diego, but we ended
Speaker 1: up in Paris, forty five minutes out of the city.
Speaker 1: In like it was. I mean, the house was beautiful,
Speaker 1: but it was not ideal, and I don't think it
Speaker 1: was ideal for them because we were so removed from everything.
Speaker 1: I think it would be nice at our age now
Speaker 1: to go and have wine and lie there. Well, there's
Speaker 1: a huge wine cellar in that house. That's where the
Speaker 1: bad That's where my bed would have been. If I
Speaker 1: was alloweder than bat Cave. I would have needed a
Speaker 1: straw and a Mattress. Yeah, yeah, that's it. So I
Speaker 1: you were cast with CT what was he like then?
Speaker 1: And did you think that he was going to go
Speaker 1: on to like do a bunch of challenges and be
Speaker 1: this crazy chat like amazingly good challenger that's winning a
Speaker 1: bunch of shows. Um he is. Um, he's a masshole.
Speaker 1: He's from Boston. He's a fucking dick, and he's did I.
Speaker 1: I didn't have high hopes for him because I never
Speaker 1: looked at him like that. I'm proud of him. He's
Speaker 1: not I don't know now, but he was not kinds
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he treated me like shits on the inferno.
Speaker 1: And Coral you didn't see, like no one saw all
Speaker 1: the things. Coral was like an advocate for me because
Speaker 1: I was like Bambi walking into this and I made
Speaker 1: it quite far. But but but he's he's not. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And it's so hard for me to
Speaker 1: say this because I know he's a parent and I'm
Speaker 1: a single mom, so you can't bash a parent like
Speaker 1: you can't do that. But yeah, he's a he's a
Speaker 1: fucking dick and he I swear like if there were
Speaker 1: ever a challenge that happened and he and I were
Speaker 1: paired together, I think he would probably smother me in
Speaker 1: my sleep and be like, she just happened to die,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't think so. I've been
Speaker 1: with CT for wow, fifteen years now, sixteen years, and
Speaker 1: I've seen the ups and the downs, and of course
Speaker 1: have lived through tragedies with him, yes, you know, ones
Speaker 1: that he had encountered, like in his family and then
Speaker 1: others with our challenge family, his ex whatever. And then
Speaker 1: I think really just turned turn the page and was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I need to do something different, and there
Speaker 1: is space, there is room for growth. I know that
Speaker 1: it's hard to like let go of the things that
Speaker 1: happen then, though, because they do really set the tone
Speaker 1: for how you view somebody, especially if you don't get
Speaker 1: to experience them in any other capacity. You know, I
Speaker 1: am so on board with you I have. I wish
Speaker 1: him nothing but the best, I truly do. I want
Speaker 1: him to thrive and succeed and be an amazing dad
Speaker 1: and a husband if I want all of that for him.
Speaker 1: But there's a part of me that's a little bit
Speaker 1: bitter that like, bitch, you call me, yeah, right, And
Speaker 1: he's terrible. What the phone has changed his number about
Speaker 1: sixteen times. I know because I try and reach out,
Speaker 1: but it's it's he's like kind of when he's off
Speaker 1: the she's kind of like cut off from those things
Speaker 1: because he's in his life and he's doing stuff, and
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what, I wonder what it
Speaker 1: would be like for you to go back and do
Speaker 1: like a reboot of Paris now, like to meet everybody
Speaker 1: kind of the way you guys met each other in
Speaker 1: All Stars when you guys were so much older now
Speaker 1: and like how old. Yeah, that would be experience in
Speaker 1: a seller with wine. I'll be in the wine cell
Speaker 1: with a straw. Okay, yes, thank you. Just oh, just
Speaker 1: so we're clear. My biggest regret in life, if is
Speaker 1: not inventing the Bendi straw. But it was invented like
Speaker 1: a hundred years before it was born. But no, it
Speaker 1: really was. I'm very pissed off about that. But I
Speaker 1: think that like a like a real world Paris homecoming
Speaker 1: would be brilliant, and I'm happy for him. I just
Speaker 1: kind of like, dude, like and I did, and then
Speaker 1: you did mention family things and I know what you're
Speaker 1: referring to, and I was his first phone call when
Speaker 1: that happens, and I was with him through and I
Speaker 1: and I wish him the best. But the side part
Speaker 1: of me is like bruh gifts. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: we were all asked. I mean I was an asshole.
Speaker 1: I even had a different voice then. I mean, I
Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck with anybody thought about anything that
Speaker 1: I did. And I think that's just part of I mean,
Speaker 1: some of us are more assholes than the others, but
Speaker 1: there are certain personalities on there that are there for
Speaker 1: a reason. He was like the pretty boy with with
Speaker 1: an edge, yeah, you know, and I think he yep,
Speaker 1: you know. And I clearly didn't know how to play
Speaker 1: the game and I can't poke offf it. But you
Speaker 1: had help, which was a beautiful moment when we talked
Speaker 1: about it. Not a dry eye in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and my little Kenny crying. I you know, it was
Speaker 1: like it was. And what's awful to me is that
Speaker 1: I'm very strong. I got of levitated that shit like
Speaker 1: like she brought it up in the air. And I
Speaker 1: work with carabineers on set every day and I couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. And I remember looking up at Brad and
Speaker 1: holy friend. And then I looked at Derek and then
Speaker 1: it looked at MJ. And I was like, I'm doing
Speaker 1: all the fucking right things. And then I was just
Speaker 1: like fuck, but nonetheless like I'm you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I ate a lot of pasta two days ago. I'm
Speaker 1: probably around a buck twenty five now after that, What
Speaker 1: the fuck does that feel like? A block twenty five?
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I mean, I have a dollar twenty five
Speaker 1: and change. It's only one twenty five. You got over here,
Speaker 1: say that's how much I'm about the bench press today. Leah,
Speaker 1: your whole body do it. I can do it. But
Speaker 1: it was like I remember looking up because like the
Speaker 1: stadium or whatever, the arena, whatever the fuck they look
Speaker 1: everyone's up there, and I was like I know, and
Speaker 1: he's am I like, I hope, I'm not like the worst.
Speaker 1: No you're not. No, no, no, you're not. Later they
Speaker 1: were like I can't do it, and I am looking
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I really don't, and I'm smart, like
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing, like and I am not
Speaker 1: a mathematician, but I know I had to open a
Speaker 1: motherfucking carabbiner. Well clearly I couldn't. That day. Well you know,
Speaker 1: things happen in those moments. But like you said, at
Speaker 1: least you leaving was such a beneficial thing for you
Speaker 1: as a person, because you said you went home and
Speaker 1: like your life changed for the good. So you saw
Speaker 1: the positive in it, and I mean that's something to
Speaker 1: be really proud of. Even if you didn't make it
Speaker 1: as far as you wanted. The moment you and Ayanna
Speaker 1: shared was moving for I mean, everybody were crying over Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. She was like, it's and it's like
Speaker 1: you can't capture what happened on a record. You can't.
Speaker 1: She was like, girl, I am not letting you And
Speaker 1: she and I have a lot in common. We have
Speaker 1: quite a bit in common. And she's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: letting you fail. And I looked at her and I
Speaker 1: was like, can you please just do all the carabiners? Yea.
Speaker 1: She was like, I got you. Oh you could she
Speaker 1: open it? She the carabineers. Uh well, I opened the
Speaker 1: first one, but I designated the next two to her, okay.
Speaker 1: And it was a really beautiful moment that was honestly
Speaker 1: like and again like Ayanna and I have a lot
Speaker 1: in common, Like we're both single moms, we we have
Speaker 1: a lot in common. And yeah, it's just it was.
Speaker 1: It was she was not trying to let me fail.
Speaker 1: She was not having it. I love that. I how
Speaker 1: old is your son, Griff? He's eleven? So does he
Speaker 1: watch the show? He has no idea? Really? Is that
Speaker 1: because you said no, I don't want to I don't
Speaker 1: want him to see this or is he just not interested? No?
Speaker 1: I think he would be like. I think he'd go
Speaker 1: to school and be like, yo, my mom is kind
Speaker 1: of a badass. She definitely got eliminated. But his father
Speaker 1: is in production, and I don't want his father to know,
Speaker 1: and he's too stupid to like even google me. So
Speaker 1: wow wow, So it's that okay. But I think her
Speaker 1: son would be a big fan Griffin Griffin. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: Griffin is like Griff well, Griff baby, he is. He
Speaker 1: is incredible. He's like the best, and he'd be he'd
Speaker 1: probably I was gonna say, go on set, go to
Speaker 1: school and be like, my mom is dope as shit.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't cost I cost. He doesn't he can't and
Speaker 1: I don't cost in front of him. But it'd be different.
Speaker 1: But he's um, he's he's pretty incredible, but I don't
Speaker 1: know how impressed he'd beat. Honestly, Jesse, going on is
Speaker 1: a big is a big thing, and you also get
Speaker 1: to do the challenge with so many other parents. How
Speaker 1: is that. I mean, that's a big shift from Inferno. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: we were in the mom room. Oh I love them.
Speaker 1: We're in the mom room and okay, So I talked
Speaker 1: to Jasmine every day all day and she's like the
Speaker 1: world's best mom. Oh she is. And it's so funny
Speaker 1: because I didn't watch any of this shows. And when
Speaker 1: we were in we were in the hotel, wait, we
Speaker 1: were we were in the hotel getting ready to leave
Speaker 1: for the show open and she pops next to me
Speaker 1: and was like, Hi, I jazn't I thought she was
Speaker 1: a producer. Oh, she's so sweet. I had no idea
Speaker 1: and she is. Yeah. But we legit, leave our phones
Speaker 1: on FaceTime and run errands and we babysit each other
Speaker 1: from coast to coast. Like she's like, can you watch
Speaker 1: Mattie for a minute, And I'm like yeah, and then
Speaker 1: she has to go do something and Maddie and I
Speaker 1: are on like a FaceTime or a phone call and
Speaker 1: I just yeah, it's and I love that. And Melinda
Speaker 1: is incredible she I mean, if you can't, like, no
Speaker 1: one can be prettier than Melinda. She is really so
Speaker 1: funny too. Yeah, she's incredible. And Katie, Yeah, I love motherhood.
Speaker 1: Has never looks better on a human than Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: so gorgeous. And her daughter is her daughter is stunning beautiful.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like like an alien. I'm like, where
Speaker 1: did she come from? They're really it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was such a vibe. And Casey Cooper, who we
Speaker 1: did not get on at first at all, and I
Speaker 1: really like it's difficult for me not to get along
Speaker 1: with like a splinter, like I can get all I
Speaker 1: can get on to. Kind of like we should get
Speaker 1: the tea with Lee one day where you just come
Speaker 1: and spill all the bags. Yeah, I like you the
Speaker 1: tea with Lee. Oh my god, that's really cute. Start
Speaker 1: your own start your own podcast. I mean, I want
Speaker 1: a percentage for coming up with the name just wine.
Speaker 1: It's you can pay me in wine. I will pay
Speaker 1: you in wine. I will pay you in line. I
Speaker 1: will pay you with love. I will pay you with
Speaker 1: all the things. We'll have snuggles in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all Ryan's going to be in the middle, you know that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's totally fine. I love to be in the middle. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll put eyeliner on and they sit there and hold
Speaker 1: each other and cry and watch exactly. Oh, Michael, I
Speaker 1: don't want this podcast to end. Well before it ends,
Speaker 1: because there's one last question that we want to know
Speaker 1: from you. Obviously, there have been things that I'm sure
Speaker 1: we're difficult on all Stars, but I'm sure that there
Speaker 1: were things that you are proud of, and so we
Speaker 1: are curious what was something you are the most proud
Speaker 1: of from the entire experience? Um, being honest, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't do like Sean a plays like a super
Speaker 1: social game like she you know she she does that,
Speaker 1: and there's so many elements that he's unaware of. But
Speaker 1: I was unapologetic, completely honest and my self like because
Speaker 1: who the fuck else are you gonna be yourself? Like like, well,
Speaker 1: then how do you go to sleep at night? That's
Speaker 1: my question? Like if you're not you you know, like,
Speaker 1: it was anything from like walking through the house and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, Leah, why are you always barefoot? I'm like,
Speaker 1: because that's how I'm happy. I love that, just unapologetically yourself.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I fully am andutiful. Keep walking barefoot girl,
Speaker 1: Oh I'm barefoot now I've got the I listen, but
Speaker 1: I will tell you, I straight up, I have to
Speaker 1: clean and scrub my feet before you go to bed.
Speaker 1: I bet because you're always barefoot always. But I only
Speaker 1: sleep in white, very very expensive sheets. So if they're not,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get like them dirty or have
Speaker 1: or have foot friends on them. They're giving me Big
Speaker 1: Tea vibes. It's killing me, like the like boogeeness of
Speaker 1: Big Tea. I don't know if you know she's nine
Speaker 1: one thousand thread counts, she's she's just an absolute incredible,
Speaker 1: like new addition to the Challenge family and in the
Speaker 1: most recent and she's from the UK, and it's just
Speaker 1: like it's fitting with how we introduce you for sure. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you give you're giving me those vibes and presence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have Leah the Elite here today, coming straight from
Speaker 1: nine thousand thread counts, twenty thousand drug counts a well.
Speaker 1: Definitely connect with us on social media and for everybody listening,
Speaker 1: where can they follow you? Do you have an Instagram,
Speaker 1: I do. It's just it's just my name. It's Leah Gillingwater.
Speaker 1: When you spell it, you can't say it with a
Speaker 1: British accent, but it's still Leah Gillingwater. You're not following
Speaker 1: me that I am following you now, are you? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god? And my Instagram is not that exciting. It's
Speaker 1: pures of my son and food. Hey, we love well,
Speaker 1: I like those things and then me in a mood
Speaker 1: and you and Ryan and yeah, I mean but listen,
Speaker 1: Ryan is like leaving All Stars to do do was not easy.
Speaker 1: But Ryan and I speak every day. If I don't
Speaker 1: talk to him first thing in the morning, I feel
Speaker 1: like I may go into cardiac arrest. Oh yes, that's Ah.
Speaker 1: This might be for those who don't who can't see
Speaker 1: right now. And he's his showing pictures. Yeah. Leah's Instagram
Speaker 1: of Lean and Ryan. So if you guys want to
Speaker 1: check out how cute their friendship is and how it's
Speaker 1: bloomed so much since All Stars, to go check out
Speaker 1: her instagram and follow and support her and give her
Speaker 1: all the likes and loves because she's the sweetest and
Speaker 1: she deserves it. Yeah, thank you again so much for
Speaker 1: coming on the show. It's been an absolute pleasure. I
Speaker 1: love Thank you so much for having me. Thank you, Leah.
Speaker 1: I'm already well. Leah is just a ball of sugarplum
Speaker 1: fairy dust, don't you think so, Anisa? She is. She
Speaker 1: is a unicorn fart, isn't she? She's so sweet? She
Speaker 1: is really sweet. I was really surprised because we didn't
Speaker 1: get to see too much of her own All Stars too,
Speaker 1: and she's just like bloomed on this podcast. Yes, and
Speaker 1: she's slightly boogee and I love that. And we get
Speaker 1: to learn like what she does outside of outside of
Speaker 1: the show, which I didn't know was production, so that's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, it was a pleasure to have her
Speaker 1: on and I look forward to following her on social
Speaker 1: media and seeing pictures of her and Ryan. Speaking of
Speaker 1: social media, Anissa, where can we follow you on Instagram?
Speaker 1: Hopefully not down the street that's where you can't follow me,
Speaker 1: but where you can follow me on Instagram? And Anissa
Speaker 1: MTV that's a m e essay, MTV Tory deal. Where
Speaker 1: can we follow you and support e? You guys can
Speaker 1: follow me at Tory deal on Instagram actually Tory on
Speaker 1: store deal, but none of that matters. What really matters
Speaker 1: is that you like this episode and review us on
Speaker 1: Spotify or Rapple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast.
Speaker 1: It means the world for us. Yes, and then we
Speaker 1: will see you back here next Friday for an all
Speaker 1: new episode of MTV's official Challenge podcast.