WEBVTT - What’s next for the Pirates?

0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.680
<v Speaker 1>How could you define Paul Skin's value right now? I

0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know if there's a value that could be defined.

0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:06.640
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of like the Mona Lisa right now.

0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.319
<v Speaker 2>All right, here we go, Let's bring back Noah. Noah

0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>first off, right off the jump, because I think it

0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.200
<v Speaker 2>is the second time you've been on with us. Give

0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Noah a follow. I have him on my notifications beat

0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.240
<v Speaker 2>writer for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's been all over

0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.560
<v Speaker 2>the story here with the disaster season for the Pirates,

0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.319
<v Speaker 2>and we went over it last time we had you on.

0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Let's focus on Derek Shelton out and what that means

0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.519
<v Speaker 2>for the future of this organization. Do we think that

0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.320
<v Speaker 2>ben Cherrington could be next, maybe at the end of

0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:38.960
<v Speaker 2>the season, or does he get a longer leash because

0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:40.240
<v Speaker 2>you can't replace the owner.

0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, from what I've been told, if the season were

0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to end today, ben Cherrington is still the general manager

0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.879
<v Speaker 1>of this ball club. I think his dismissal largely depends

0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.320
<v Speaker 1>on how this team plays under Don Kelly moving forward,

0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.800
<v Speaker 1>if they play better, in which there's a possibility for

0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.560
<v Speaker 1>that to happen, considering that they're going to be getting

0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Spencer Horowitz and Nick and Zalez back soon, Bubba Chandler

0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.160
<v Speaker 1>will probably be promoted here within the next month, and

0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Jared Jones will be back sometime in July.

0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:12.440
<v Speaker 3>They're gonna get.

0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.959
<v Speaker 1>A better roster for him to play with or for

0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.520
<v Speaker 1>him to coach, and if this team plays a little better,

0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a chance Charrington sticks around. I don't

0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.600
<v Speaker 1>know if that's the right call or not. Thankfully I'm

0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.720
<v Speaker 1>not the one who has to make that decision, but yeah,

0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that Charrington has a little bit longer of

0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.800
<v Speaker 1>a leash. I think that's reflected in how they went

0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:36.640
<v Speaker 1>about this last offseason. You don't typically see teams reconstruct

0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.959
<v Speaker 1>their front office five years into a regime.

0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.039
<v Speaker 3>They in the last eighteen months or.

0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.080
<v Speaker 1>So, they've replaced all three heads of the scouting department,

0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Pro International and Amateur. They found a new head of

0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.640
<v Speaker 1>R and D and a new farm director. So those

0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.960
<v Speaker 1>are moves that are typically made by a general manager

0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.240
<v Speaker 1>who doesn't think he's on the hot seat. I don't

0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.280
<v Speaker 1>know if that's changed. I would have to assume that

0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.280
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely at least a little pressure connected to his

0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.320
<v Speaker 1>name and title right now. But I think that if

0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.000
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be let go at the end of

0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the season. It's going to be because the team continues

0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.520
<v Speaker 1>to play poorly after this Shelton move is made.

0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.639
<v Speaker 4>If that is true, if his the result of the

0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.480
<v Speaker 4>next one hundred and some games does kind of pertain

0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.839
<v Speaker 4>to ben Cherrington's employment for next year and five years

0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.640
<v Speaker 4>from now, does that mean there's going to be more

0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.480
<v Speaker 4>input from the front office and Don Kelly's not gonna

0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.240
<v Speaker 4>get a leash to be able to say this is

0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:34.880
<v Speaker 4>what I want.

0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.360
<v Speaker 3>That's another really good question.

0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I know that they're probably going to make other staff changes.

0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.400
<v Speaker 1>They just released their game planning coordinator this morning, so

0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm interested to see what the rest of the coaching

0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.480
<v Speaker 1>staff looks like now that Kelly's at the Helm. And

0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.480
<v Speaker 1>as far as Kelly's future goes here in Pittsburgh, I

0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.640
<v Speaker 1>do think he'll have a little bit more control and

0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.000
<v Speaker 1>say of things. But at the same time, I mean,

0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.960
<v Speaker 1>his future is depending, just like Charrington's, on how well

0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the rest of this season goes. I think that Shelton

0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.840
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of control here, maybe more than some

0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.519
<v Speaker 1>people would like to believe. As far as lineup construction

0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.200
<v Speaker 1>is concerned. It's just the options that he was given

0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to choose from weren't the best, So it wasn't like

0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.480
<v Speaker 1>he was necessarily pulling all the wrong strings. There just

0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a lot of good strings to pull from. Kelly

0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.280
<v Speaker 1>faces that same predicament. We'll see what he can do.

0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.800
<v Speaker 1>But if he performs well, and I think he'll have

0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to make his own decisions with hope to

0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.200
<v Speaker 1>perform well. But if he performs well, I think there

0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.040
<v Speaker 1>might be a future here for him.

0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:40.360
<v Speaker 4>How is Don Kelly going to be able to plan

0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.880
<v Speaker 4>for the game without a game planning coach? Radley Haddad

0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.160
<v Speaker 4>is just an absolute that just gets an absolute stray

0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:53.240
<v Speaker 4>here by getting fired along with Shelton? What is Do

0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.880
<v Speaker 4>you know any background of why he was the one

0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.680
<v Speaker 4>that the team's not hitting? Why did the hitting coach

0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.440
<v Speaker 4>not go? Why you know the tea Paul Skeins has

0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:06.880
<v Speaker 4>four losses? See a pitching coach like why Radley Hadad

0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.480
<v Speaker 4>getting drug out the door with Shelton.

0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.240
<v Speaker 1>That's one I haven't had a lot of time to

0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.480
<v Speaker 1>dig into just yet. This is a move that I

0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.799
<v Speaker 1>just learned about this morning, and frankly, I've been pretty

0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.279
<v Speaker 1>busy talking about the move that was made yesterday and

0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.320
<v Speaker 1>still trying to figure out everything that went on there.

0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:24.080
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot.

0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Going on here in Pittsburgh. If you guys haven't been

0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.880
<v Speaker 1>paying attention, from bricks to surfside ads to ushers hitting

0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.400
<v Speaker 1>people with belts, it's been a lot. So now the

0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.800
<v Speaker 1>focus is on the manager change, and I'm sure they're

0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be you know, maybe a few other coaching

0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.600
<v Speaker 1>staff changes or at least a reshuffling of the deck.

0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:42.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's hard to make sense of any of it

0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.080
<v Speaker 1>right now because it's hard to put blame on a

0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.919
<v Speaker 1>few specific individuals when it seems like it's an organizational

0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:51.000
<v Speaker 1>failure as a whole.

0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.560
<v Speaker 5>Let me ask you this. So we're talking about management

0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.080
<v Speaker 5>the brass a little bit, we haven't talked about are

0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.720
<v Speaker 5>the players. What have you seen from the players? You

0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.960
<v Speaker 5>Have they expressed any concern? Are they excited about the move?

0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.520
<v Speaker 5>Have you talked to these guys about, you know, you know,

0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.640
<v Speaker 5>what's next? Are you guys ready, you know, to kind

0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.159
<v Speaker 5>of change gears here a little bit? Anything from the

0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.680
<v Speaker 5>player's perspective on this change yet.

0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.799
<v Speaker 1>I haven't talked to him since the change because yesterday

0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.240
<v Speaker 1>was an off day. I'll be heading down to the

0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.919
<v Speaker 1>clubhouse as soon as this interview's over, actually, but I

0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.039
<v Speaker 1>am looking forward to hear their perspective. I know, in

0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the days leading up to Shelton's dismissal, it was made

0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty clear to me that this was expected and it's

0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.960
<v Speaker 1>not something they necessarily were rooting for, but it was

0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.839
<v Speaker 1>just kind of expected within multiple levels of the organization

0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.520
<v Speaker 1>that if you've been around baseball long enough, you could

0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.039
<v Speaker 1>feel a move like this coming. And I think the

0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.800
<v Speaker 1>general consensus was this isn't going to fix much. They

0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.560
<v Speaker 1>understood why it was likely coming, but it's going to

0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:54.200
<v Speaker 1>take a lot of people being much better at their

0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.359
<v Speaker 1>jobs if this is going to turn around, and the

0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.880
<v Speaker 1>players recognize this. Mitch Keller voiced as much after when

0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Day's loss. He said, we've got to hold each other

0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.040
<v Speaker 1>accountable and we've got to do a better job of that,

0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to take veteran guys like that on

0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:12.640
<v Speaker 1>this team to push that messaging, and more than anything else,

0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.920
<v Speaker 1>it's just going to take better execution. Some of their

0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:19.520
<v Speaker 1>more reliable players just haven't been productive so far this season.

0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.000
<v Speaker 1>You look at guys like Brian Reynolds, who is one

0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.840
<v Speaker 1>of the higher paid guys on the team, one of

0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.320
<v Speaker 1>the better hitters, more of the more consistent guys on

0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.640
<v Speaker 1>the offensive end of this team. He just hasn't been

0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:29.800
<v Speaker 1>playing well, and he's one.

0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.200
<v Speaker 3>Of a few guys you could say that about.

0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he'll get going, and the team's going to

0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.599
<v Speaker 1>need him to get going if it has any chance

0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.159
<v Speaker 1>of playing any sort of meaningful baseball this year.

0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.039
<v Speaker 2>It is complicated enough to figure out what type of

0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.680
<v Speaker 2>car you want, but when it comes to pricing and

0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.480
<v Speaker 2>best time to buy and all of that information that

0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.800
<v Speaker 2>you're looking for, car gurus is the only destination that

0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.040
<v Speaker 2>you should be thinking about. Kratz.

0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.039
<v Speaker 4>Why because I don't have to question what the price is.

0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.240
<v Speaker 4>It's going to be there. If the price changes and

0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.559
<v Speaker 4>comes down to where I want it to be. Bang,

0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.719
<v Speaker 4>I get a notification. Car gurrus is giving it to

0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.040
<v Speaker 4>me straight, and this is how I want to purchase

0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.560
<v Speaker 4>a car, not fast. I just want to know what's

0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:09.000
<v Speaker 4>going on.

0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.080
<v Speaker 2>With over four million listings, car gurws has more car

0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:18.040
<v Speaker 2>listings than any other major online automotive marketplace in the US,

0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:19.640
<v Speaker 2>so you can find the best deal and it's no

0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.080
<v Speaker 2>wonder Similar Web estimated traffic data shows car gurws is

0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.760
<v Speaker 2>the number one most visited car shopping site. So you

0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.080
<v Speaker 2>can buy or sell your next car today with car

0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Gurus at car gurus dot com. Go to car gurus

0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.000
<v Speaker 2>dot com to make sure your big deal is the

0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:37.160
<v Speaker 2>best deal. That's c r g u r us dot com,

0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.800
<v Speaker 2>car gurus dot com.

0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.920
<v Speaker 4>But when you have superstars, you need people around them.

0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:48.480
<v Speaker 4>When you have stars, you need people around them. And nothing.

0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:49.920
<v Speaker 4>I went to a game. I went to the Paul

0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.600
<v Speaker 4>Skien start. No no ushers beat me up with a

0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.800
<v Speaker 4>belt or anything. It was fine. I didn't buy any

0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:59.160
<v Speaker 4>state sides, nothing like that. But I saw en Monwel

0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.400
<v Speaker 4>valve As hitting fourth for this team. Is that making

0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.120
<v Speaker 4>a Brian Reynolds who was hurt with a lad at

0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.280
<v Speaker 4>the time, or a or a Andrew McCutcheon, or a

0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:16.160
<v Speaker 4>bounce back year from key Brian Hayes accessible if you're

0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:20.440
<v Speaker 4>not bringing in a first baseman who is has a

0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.200
<v Speaker 4>has a consistent track record of hitting fourth or fifth

0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.640
<v Speaker 4>in the lineup. Nothing at m man Weel is a

0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.080
<v Speaker 4>big league baseball player, But when I saw him hitting

0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:33.199
<v Speaker 4>fourth in the lineup, it surprised me that this team

0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.560
<v Speaker 4>doesn't have something to supplement around the guys who are

0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.120
<v Speaker 4>supposed to be supposed to be the guys for the team.

0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:41.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I totally agree.

0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I last off season on October second, Ben Chrrington spoke

0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.320
<v Speaker 1>with US reporters here at PNC Park is his end

0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.200
<v Speaker 1>of season press conference. He said that he felt on

0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.920
<v Speaker 1>that day, he said he felt that the organization, this

0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.480
<v Speaker 1>organization's depth was the greatest it's been during his time

0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.800
<v Speaker 1>in Pittsburgh. Well, that depth was tested in the beginning

0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.200
<v Speaker 1>of this season when Nick gon Zalez was put on

0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the IL after the first game of the season, and

0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.679
<v Speaker 1>when Spencer Horowitz was put on the IL in spring

0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.480
<v Speaker 1>training when he arrived in a risk cast. They lost

0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.320
<v Speaker 1>their right side of the infield, and then they lost

0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Jared Jones as well. That depth was tested and that

0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.319
<v Speaker 1>depth failed. They did not have the guys to back up.

0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I came on and was waiting in the lobby while

0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.679
<v Speaker 1>you guys were talking about the Dodgers, and obviously that's

0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.960
<v Speaker 1>a very tough team to compare the Pirates to or

0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:29.640
<v Speaker 1>vice versa.

0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.640
<v Speaker 3>But you want to talk about depth.

0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:36.160
<v Speaker 1>When guys aren't performing on a winning baseball team, you

0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.640
<v Speaker 1>have viable options coming up from the minor leagues or

0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.240
<v Speaker 1>coming off the bench. The Pirates, their backup plans have

0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.880
<v Speaker 1>not worked so far at first base, at second base,

0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in the corner outfield spots. It's been just a handful

0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.080
<v Speaker 1>of guys who have all the pressure on them to perform,

0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and if they get off to a slow start, they're

0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.360
<v Speaker 1>in big trouble. If they get hurt, they're in big trouble.

0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Or when other guys are slumping and you're one of

0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.200
<v Speaker 1>a few players that are an actual threat in the lineup,

0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the opposing team doesn't have to throw you anything to

0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.400
<v Speaker 1>hit you have no lineup protection. We're seeing all of

0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that unfold right now here in Pittsford.

0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.480
<v Speaker 2>So no, I'm going to go back to where I started.

0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.880
<v Speaker 2>How does this not fall on Ben Charrington. We're in

0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the National League Central, we know what we're dealing with

0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in the owner at this point, they're not going to

0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.760
<v Speaker 2>invest in players in the offseason. He's made that quite

0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.800
<v Speaker 2>clear with his actions for a long time now. I

0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.360
<v Speaker 2>can beat that one down as much as we want.

0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.560
<v Speaker 2>But as far as money, I mean, sometimes the Brewers

0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.040
<v Speaker 2>are not too far off with their payroll that they

0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.360
<v Speaker 2>could be looked at as an outlier. But why can't

0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.800
<v Speaker 2>the Pirates figure out how to get to that point

0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.920
<v Speaker 2>at any point, and if they can't, doesn't that mean

0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:47.640
<v Speaker 2>you try, and I don't know, find out who Matt

0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Arnold's right hand man or even below that is, and

0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:51.920
<v Speaker 2>just bring them over and be like, hey, can we

0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.640
<v Speaker 2>try and replicate that because the budget's not going to

0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.680
<v Speaker 2>change and I feel like there's been enough time here

0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.880
<v Speaker 2>for Charrington to rack up some picks. And I don't

0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.000
<v Speaker 2>see it for the Pirates. I mean, I've been pretty

0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.520
<v Speaker 2>clear cut since the show started, right that, I don't

0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:05.880
<v Speaker 2>see it.

0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:06.240
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's cute it's a twelve and eight start and

0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.800
<v Speaker 2>everyone's like woo, but it's not a good roster, right,

0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not there. So I feel like they need a

0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.760
<v Speaker 2>fresh start as far as how they're working as an organization.

0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:19.800
<v Speaker 2>They're twelve and twenty six this season. Shot.

0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.040
<v Speaker 1>You're not the only person who feels that way. It's

0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.520
<v Speaker 1>tough to justify a fresh start when you have Paul

0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Skime's pre arb right now.

0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:30.800
<v Speaker 3>But I would have to agree.

0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I'd think that when you look at what this organization

0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.200
<v Speaker 1>is doing well versus what it's not doing well, I

0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.319
<v Speaker 1>think that it's more than just identifying affordable big League talent.

0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.640
<v Speaker 1>When you look back the last time this franchise was

0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.080
<v Speaker 1>successful that thirteen through fifteen window, it wasn't because they

0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.520
<v Speaker 1>were out spending teams or even spending more money than

0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:53.000
<v Speaker 1>they normally do. It was because they were a good organization.

0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.040
<v Speaker 1>They were thriving and scouting, They were thriving in the

0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.840
<v Speaker 1>analytics community. They were innovative with implementing the shift into

0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.559
<v Speaker 1>baseball that kind of started here in Pittsburgh. They were

0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.800
<v Speaker 1>coming up with new ideas on how you can win

0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:09.400
<v Speaker 1>baseball games. They were what people associate the Rays to be,

0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.240
<v Speaker 1>or the Brewers or the Guardians, these small market teams

0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.400
<v Speaker 1>who consistently win. You're not going to beat teams in

0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.080
<v Speaker 1>the offseason with your spending budget. You're going to beat

0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.880
<v Speaker 1>them by being better in the unseen areas of the game,

0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the behind the scenes stuff. And the Pirates were that

0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.720
<v Speaker 1>type of organization for a brief period of time about

0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.520
<v Speaker 1>a decade ago. But then that progress stopped. As other

0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.720
<v Speaker 1>teams continue to advance with the times and advanced their

0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.600
<v Speaker 1>investment in those areas to the times, the Pirates remained

0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.839
<v Speaker 1>stagnant and they fell behind. And I think their activity

0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.640
<v Speaker 1>this past offseason indicated that they acknowledged that, and they

0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.800
<v Speaker 1>were aggressively, aggressively trying to keep up. But you know,

0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.280
<v Speaker 1>even good hires in the head of scouting departments, research

0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.800
<v Speaker 1>and development, foreign director, those investments aren't going to show

0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.360
<v Speaker 1>any type of payoff for two three years. So they're

0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.120
<v Speaker 1>behind right now in the areas that small market teams

0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.600
<v Speaker 1>need to be in. You're right by saying, yeah, the Brewers,

0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.920
<v Speaker 1>they're not spending more money than the Dodgers or the Yankees,

0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.680
<v Speaker 1>but their front offices are just as good, if not better,

0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.600
<v Speaker 1>at figuring out innovative ways to create runs, to prevent

0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.280
<v Speaker 1>runs from being scored against them, and to ultimately win games.

0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is probably at this point the most maddening

0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.640
<v Speaker 2>franchise in baseball at the moment. You could have made

0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.480
<v Speaker 2>the case for Seattle in the last few years, but

0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.800
<v Speaker 2>they are humming along right now. So at least as

0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.160
<v Speaker 2>far as power rankings for fan frustration, they're number one.

0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.679
<v Speaker 2>So let's finish with this. Let's spind it forward. They're

0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.880
<v Speaker 2>season's over, right, they're twelve and twenty six.

0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:42.320
<v Speaker 5>They suck.

0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Who should we start to look at and scout? Right

0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.240
<v Speaker 2>from a national show perspective, we love the trade deadline

0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and what leads up to it. So who could be

0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.080
<v Speaker 2>on the move for the Pirates, Because the quickest way

0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.319
<v Speaker 2>to get better is to trade away players for assets

0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.320
<v Speaker 2>when you're not good, not the guys that are signed

0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.000
<v Speaker 2>up for long term. I mean, we know Skens isn't

0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.000
<v Speaker 2>getting traded, but who could delivered the Pirates some value

0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.280
<v Speaker 2>back that they can utilize over the next few years.

0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I think the first answer is Andrew Heeney. Everyone's

0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.800
<v Speaker 1>looking for starting pitching. He's a veteran left hander who's

0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.840
<v Speaker 1>been a part of some playoff rotations, so I think

0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.240
<v Speaker 1>he could pull in some value. I don't think a ton,

0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.040
<v Speaker 1>considering that he's on a one year deal. The two

0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.560
<v Speaker 1>names that I think could be interesting, and I'm not

0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:28.640
<v Speaker 1>necessarily sure if there I'll actually make it three. Not

0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.120
<v Speaker 1>sure if they'll be dealt, but I think could potentially

0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.640
<v Speaker 1>bring in some value. Two right handers out of the bullpen,

0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.480
<v Speaker 1>David Bednar and Dennis Santana, both have an extra year

0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.120
<v Speaker 1>of control after this season. Bennar has been really good

0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.880
<v Speaker 1>after getting optioned on April first. He returned on the nineteenth.

0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I think he's only allowed one earned run since he's

0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.720
<v Speaker 1>come back, so he's been really good. And Dennis Santana,

0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.240
<v Speaker 1>if you look at his numbers since being acquired by Pittsburgh,

0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.840
<v Speaker 1>has been one of the more productive right handed relievers

0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.520
<v Speaker 1>in baseball. He's been really under the radar as an

0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.880
<v Speaker 1>effective leverage guy and with multiple years of I think

0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.280
<v Speaker 1>both of those guys could be attractive pieces as far

0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.040
<v Speaker 1>as position players go. I think maybe Joey Bart could

0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.600
<v Speaker 1>be someone that they could shop. I don't expect a

0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.880
<v Speaker 1>huge return for him, but what you consider what.

0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:11.440
<v Speaker 3>They gave away.

0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I believe the player they traded for him was Jackson Wolf,

0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.480
<v Speaker 1>someone who was a minor league arm and you could

0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.880
<v Speaker 1>probably get something a little bit more than that in

0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.560
<v Speaker 1>return now, And when you look at just an asset appreciation,

0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that could be something where they could view that as, hey,

0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.400
<v Speaker 1>we could get a decent prospector another big league contributor

0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe a replacement level player for someone we didn't expect

0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to have on the roster very long. It ended up

0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.320
<v Speaker 1>turning out to be a decent hitter.

0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Bart.

0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:39.920
<v Speaker 1>What does he provide to a team I don't know

0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.040
<v Speaker 1>about much. Defensively, I think there's a weakness to his

0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.360
<v Speaker 1>game as a catcher behind the plate. But I mean

0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.040
<v Speaker 1>he's gotten above league average ops and he's got some

0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.040
<v Speaker 1>pop to his back hasn't necessarily showed this year, but

0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.560
<v Speaker 1>he's been getting on base and he can barrel the baseball.

0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I think he'd be a nice little bench bat for

0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a team to add at the deadline.

0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.320
<v Speaker 4>Catchers rarely get moved a you know, if you want

0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.160
<v Speaker 4>him at the trade deadline. It's just tough to simulate

0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.920
<v Speaker 4>into a pitching staff on a playoff team. But here

0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:14.320
<v Speaker 4>it is Noah outside the box. Trade Paul Skins. Trade

0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:19.960
<v Speaker 4>Paul Skins in a herschel Walker type of game changing move.

0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.440
<v Speaker 3>Here's why he can't do it.

0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what how could you define Paul Skins's

0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:30.600
<v Speaker 1>value right now? I just don't think he's so his

0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.240
<v Speaker 1>talent plus what you're paying him. I don't know if

0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a value that could be defined. He's kind of

0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.720
<v Speaker 1>like the Mona Lisa right now. You have to allow

0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.760
<v Speaker 1>him to get closer to arbitration, or at least I

0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.600
<v Speaker 1>think hit arbitration until he's making something similar to a

0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.600
<v Speaker 1>player his caliber, because with four years of control to

0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.800
<v Speaker 1>what he can provide as far as value on the Mound.

0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think any team, especially a team in contention,

0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.800
<v Speaker 1>would be willing to offer, would have the assets to offer,

0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.000
<v Speaker 1>or would be willing to because I think if you're

0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.120
<v Speaker 1>going to trade someone like that, you can't just trade

0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.439
<v Speaker 1>them for straight up prospects. You need to get proven

0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.200
<v Speaker 1>big league talent in addition to prospects.

0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.680
<v Speaker 4>Largest trade of all time, I'm taught, Like, right now

0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.479
<v Speaker 4>he is a chandelier in a haunted house. Yeah it

0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.200
<v Speaker 4>doesn't you know the value of the chandelier, and other

0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.439
<v Speaker 4>teams like if you want to make an impact on

0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.359
<v Speaker 4>this organization, that will last for the next six years,

0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.520
<v Speaker 4>which is why you fire your scouting department. Different heads,

0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.240
<v Speaker 4>you change different things. You're looking to shake it up.

0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.280
<v Speaker 4>Nothing in Spencer Horwitz. But that ain't the move that

0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.440
<v Speaker 4>was pushing the Pirates across and right now Paul Schimes

0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:44.720
<v Speaker 4>might win fifteen games a season for a sixty five

0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:50.520
<v Speaker 4>at MAC seventy win team. Like it's a like, go

0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.239
<v Speaker 4>and see the value, go and find it. Set a

0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.000
<v Speaker 4>new bar. You have to do something new because you're

0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.200
<v Speaker 4>not spending so you don't have four years of control

0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.400
<v Speaker 4>with him. Technically in Pirate Land, you have like two

0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.760
<v Speaker 4>and a half to three, because that's when they get

0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.920
<v Speaker 4>rid of guys and trade him for you know, future

0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.120
<v Speaker 4>all stars, like they did Tyler Glass, Now, like they

0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:15.760
<v Speaker 4>did Garrett Cole, like they did all those things. Get something,

0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.320
<v Speaker 4>get something right now, and change the bar.

0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:20.359
<v Speaker 3>I think it could happen.

0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's gonna happen this year, though, I

0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.120
<v Speaker 1>think that that's something that's gonna happen probably further down

0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the line. And if they start a rebuild now, which

0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're going to, but if they start

0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 1>to rebuild now and deal off guys like Reynolds, Keller, Hayes,

0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.960
<v Speaker 1>if anyone wants him, Paul might be the final move

0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.080
<v Speaker 1>in that rebuild down the line when he's a little

0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.760
<v Speaker 1>closer to arb and you can I also think that

0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.760
<v Speaker 1>would have to be a move that's made over the offseason.

0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone, like I said, would have the

0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.399
<v Speaker 1>ability to acquire a player like that midseason.

0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.359
<v Speaker 2>It is fascinating. At first you're looking like shut up,

0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:59.040
<v Speaker 2>and then you're like, they eat a lot. Yeah, so

0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.800
<v Speaker 2>well we'll bring you back and we'll talk it out

0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.440
<v Speaker 2>again at some point. But no, thanks for the time, man, appreciate.

0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.119
<v Speaker 3>It absolutely guys. Thanks for having me on