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Speaker 2: the difference between the five, six, seven, eight? Hey, welcome

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Speaker 2: to The Black Guy Who Tells podcast. Your host Rod

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Speaker 2: as Mary. We are in the house on uh What's today? Tuesday? Tuesday?

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Speaker 2: Karen today back to the old Schooloski And as always,

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Speaker 2: you know, we have have plenty of stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 2: she was white enough to sue Howard University for discrimination, right,

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Speaker 2: Now, some people believe after that she did that lawsuit

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Speaker 2: Her Yeah, struggling artists, activists and educator. She's having a

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Speaker 2: The two pieces are the esthetic anesthetically similar. One is

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Speaker 2: on elk hyde, bridging Rachel's young youth spent honey elk

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Speaker 2: that was one story her artwork. I talked about that lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: Let's go into detail. The NDACP official who today resigned

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Speaker 2: evidence that she masqueraded as black once once sued, once sued.

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Speaker 2: Rachel Dolozow thirty seven, who headed the NAACP Spokane Washington chapter,

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Speaker 2: the civil case, Smith was chairman of Howard's Department of Art.

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Speaker 2: According to the Court of Appeals opinion, Dolazov's lawsuit claimed

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Speaker 2: discrimination based on race, pregnancy and family responsibilities, and gender.

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Speaker 2: She alleged a Smith and other school officials and properly

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Speaker 2: She sent all her artwork in which is a lot

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Speaker 2: of like very like like the art we just talked about. Right,

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the shit that's fucking frustrating about

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Speaker 2: Out right, which is kind of a shame because even

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Speaker 2: at this moment, the easiest way out for Rachel Dolazov

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Speaker 2: I you know, I basically completely overstep my bowels. And

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Speaker 2: I hope that the community can forgive me. I really

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Speaker 2: do good work. Like I said, no one's shown us

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Speaker 2: to do good work. I do want to, you know, like,

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Speaker 2: And I hope that people can learn to forgive me

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Speaker 2: and honestly give it. A few months people would forgive her.

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Speaker 2: There's people that have forgiven her now, and there's people

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Speaker 2: And we'll get to some of the interviews and stuff,

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Speaker 2: but you know, there's a lot of people that are

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Speaker 2: very accepting of her anyway. So in her lawsuit, she

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Speaker 2: oh yeah. The lawsuit contended that Howard was permeated with discriminatory, intimidation, ridicule,

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Speaker 2: and insult. Judge Zoe Bush dismissed Dolazaw's complaint February two

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Speaker 2: thousand and four, eighteen months after the lawsuit was fouled

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Speaker 2: and Dolazol was deposed on several occasions. Bush found no

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Speaker 2: evidence that dolaza was discriminated on the basis of race

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Speaker 2: Bush's decision. Following the dismissal of Dozah's Dolazow's lawsuit and

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Speaker 2: the Court of Appeals decision, she was ordered to reimburse

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Speaker 2: Howard for a bill of costs totaling two thousand, seven

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty eight dollars fifty cent during the case.

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Speaker 2: Is he the black community?

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Speaker 2: Is that it? There has to be other black people

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Speaker 4: Ain't that the truth?

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Speaker 2: you're supposed to be like, no, he not crazy. I'm

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00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: in on the lie too. Get the fuck out here, hey.

427
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 2: When people do that, by the way, that that's the

428
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: accessory after the faction I was talking about the other day,

429
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: where you do something now we in it. Fuck you.

430
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: That ain't how this works. Yep, you make a decisions

431
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 2: for my life now because you got for your benefit.

432
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: For what did her experience at Howard University have an

433
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: effect on her? Azra believes that Rachel dollars Our's behavior

434
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: can be tracked back to his sister's attendance at Howard

435
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: University as a white student on the majority black campus.

436
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: She was a minority, and because she chose African American

437
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: artists her focused, she's stuck stuck out as a student.

438
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: Ezra states that his sister encountered what amount to reverse

439
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: racism on campus and she felt that she was being

440
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: treated differently by both students and faculty.

441
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: Okay, me and you both went to HBCU and then

442
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 3: were white students that went to HBC to Philliths State University,

443
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 3: actually lived on campus. They would treat it no differently

444
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 3: than anybody.

445
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: Well you all know. Well, here's the thing. There's two folds,

446
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: right one, it's it's the reverse polarity of being in

447
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: that situation, and a lot of people can't handle it.

448
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: And it happens that everybody will you fold in on yourself, right, Like,

449
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: for example, as a man, Right if I go to

450
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 2: a baby shower and I'm the only dude there, all

451
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I'm not used to being in that situation.

452
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: I have to deal with some different realities. Nobody might

453
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: not I even be thinking about my black ass, right,

454
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: But in my mind, who knows what I'm thinking. You know, Nah,

455
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: nobody wants talked about the game anymore, or you know,

456
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: no one's watching the same TV shows I'm watching, or

457
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm being rude because I'm not, you know, going on

458
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: all the presence, or I don't know etiquette, or I

459
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: can't culturally fit in or whatever it is. Right, And

460
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that when you have privilege,

461
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: you don't even think about life from anyone else's perspective

462
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: until you're forced in there. Like I've talked to white

463
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: people that think they've experienced racism because they went to

464
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: a basketball court and someone called them the white boy

465
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: whenever it's time to check up, like, hey, who's checking

466
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: the white boy? And they're like, wow, black people are

467
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: just so racist. Aha, that's not the same, right, but

468
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: that is a common thing. Like if you talked to

469
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: out pretty much any white dude that's played basketball a

470
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: majority black situation, they will kind of But the thing is, though,

471
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate it because it is now a perspective that

472
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 2: they didn't have before. And a lot of times those

473
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: are the coolest people, Like, while they're not capable of

474
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: truly understanding what racism is. They are able to understand

475
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: what being in the minority in a certain setting felt

476
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: like for them, and how belittaling it can feel, and

477
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: how ostracizing it can feel, and how now it's up

478
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: to you to learn the cultural knowns of someone else.

479
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 3: Right.

480
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: Well, well, some people see that, adapt to it and flourish,

481
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: or see that adapt to it and survive. Some people

482
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: see it and freak the fuck out like this lady did.

483
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, it's Oh, these people are

484
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: the real racist. They don't realize that Black people do

485
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: that every single day of our life. And that's one

486
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: of the reasons I love HBCUs it's one of the

487
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: places where black people the onness is not on us,

488
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: the code switch, the onness is no longer on us

489
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: to have to, you know, adjust to how the white

490
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: man gonna view us, you know where it's just where.

491
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: It's just I'm learning, And I can learn in my sweats.

492
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: I can learn my pain and sagging about want to.

493
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: I can learn what my yeah, I can learn my dread,

494
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: we I can write.

495
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: I can learn your hair.

496
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: I can I can wear a basketball jersey to class

497
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: like I can. You know, I can do whatever the

498
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: fuck I want, and I don't have this this idea

499
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: of like the view of the white person on me,

500
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: where I'm constantly checking myself. And like I said, it's

501
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 2: not for everybody, but that experience of community and togetherness,

502
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: that's a black thing, Like even if you went to

503
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: a predominantly white school, black student unions, black fraternities, like,

504
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: black people are gonna get together. We want to be

505
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 2: comfortable and be able to relax around each other. Right, well,

506
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: a lot of times, not even a lot of times,

507
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: very rarely, really do white people have to experience this?

508
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: And I bet she flipped the fuck out because she

509
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: was like, I'm no longer socially the coveted person, and

510
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how to fit in and I'm not

511
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: getting this extra tension, this extra leg up, I'm not

512
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: getting this extra focus on me. And you know her

513
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: reaction was, well, system my shit isn't being coveted. Since

514
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: I'm not being favored, It can't possibly be that these

515
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: other students are better than me, right, it can't be

516
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: these other students are more qualified. The only possible solution

517
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: is that racism is happening to me, and that is

518
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: a very scary thing. And I bet you that's what happened,

519
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that happens a lot. But

520
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: you know, people, you know, it's like how every white

521
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: person assumes every black person with a corporate job got

522
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: that because of affirmative action. You know. It's that kind

523
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: of thing where it's like where it's like you're inherently

524
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: being racist and you don't even recognize your own racism

525
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: r right, Like you're inherently saying this person doesn't deserve

526
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: this position. Obviously only a white person could be qualified

527
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: for it, but somehow a black person got in the door. Oh,

528
00:28:53,560 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: affirmative action. So yeah, Anyway, he says, because her work

529
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: at African Art, they thought she was a black student

530
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: during her application, but they ended up with a white person.

531
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: That this social rejection, oddly enough, caused her to not

532
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: dislike black people, but to hate white people for making

533
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: black people not accept her. Yes, it's confusing, confusing in

534
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: her delusional, educated mind, only she understood to impact the

535
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: white supremacy and racism on black people. As such, she

536
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: saw her inability to be accepted by black people on

537
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: campus as a direct result impact of white racism. So

538
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: she hated white people for creating the discriminatory behavior on campus.

539
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: It was then that her brother Ezra stated that Rachel

540
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: started being hateful to white people. Yeah, this is yeah.

541
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: The conservatives are going to run with this if they

542
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: haven't already. Rachel Doozoo then went on to invent a

543
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: life of oppression and rejection because she was a black woman,

544
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: and it worked. She had stated that she was physically abused,

545
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: grew up in poverty in Montana and rural Mississippi, despised

546
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: by Oh she also I've said she's lived in South

547
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: Africa too for a while anyway, and she also many

548
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: many different stories, but hey, she's not the one we

549
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: should be questioning, right. Despised by white people because of

550
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: her black skin and social activism, she claimed to be

551
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: the target of multiple threats and hate mail. This invented

552
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: story gave her legitimacy and access to the black community

553
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: and allow her to become the head of the Spokane NAACP. Yeah,

554
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: especially that part about the oppression and growing up poor

555
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: and her activism. Whose story are you stealing?

556
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: Right?

557
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: Because it ain't your story, That's not your life. You know.

558
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: It's like every time I see someone say about the

559
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: work she's doing. I have to be like, what work

560
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: the work to keep her lie going, the work to

561
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: keep her lib of reproach that is obviously brainwashed your

562
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: ass you accepted, right.

563
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: Because you know when people go what's your work, people

564
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: have like a list of she did this, this, this, this,

565
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: she spoke here, here, here, here, she's done this, this, this, this,

566
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: she got this that.

567
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: I don't see any of that popping up from a timeline.

568
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: Right. If someone was like, show me the work, uh

569
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: Dray or Netta or even you know feminists to Jones

570
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: or l Joy or June from Harlem or like there's

571
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: actual things, I can be like, oh yeah, this this march,

572
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: this thing, this program, this job with her, it's just

573
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: a it's just a title, right, what's the work? You

574
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And what is specifically what is

575
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: the work that she did that a black woman doesn't do? Already?

576
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: Come on, now, I haven't seen any I haven't seen

577
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: anything she's done where I'm like, well, thank god Rachel

578
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: was on the job, because no black person could have

579
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: done that. You know, like it's it's amazing. You know,

580
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: people people wonder like why it's so offensive. It's it's

581
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: thievery right, right, and.

582
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: The thing about it, and I know we have like,

583
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: you know, a bunch of articles and stuff like that,

584
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: but I'm very mad, and I'm very angry, and I'm

585
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: highly upset about the whole situation because when.

586
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 4: You know, when you first talked about.

587
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, you know, it's one of

588
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: those things where you see it and you don't really

589
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: understand how crazy she is and how deep rooted the

590
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: situation is.

591
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 4: But then as the stories.

592
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: Come out and the interviews come out and all this shit,

593
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: it goes from being funny to being not funny at

594
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: all to me period, Like nothing about the shit is

595
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: funny at all, no more. And it's just one of

596
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: those things where, uh, to me, I'm especially looking at

597
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: social media. I think that's where a lot of my

598
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: outrage is coming from, because to me, a lot of

599
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: people are using her as an excuse.

600
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 4: For the hate against black women. They using her as

601
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: an excuse.

602
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: For their homophobe and transgender They're using her as a

603
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: scapegoat instead of talking about the things that they really

604
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: want to talk about, which is irrelevant to her. And

605
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: I see you you making excuses for her, and I

606
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: said this on Facebook and Twitter, and I mean this again, y'all,

607
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: a lot of people are not sincere about their hatred.

608
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: Because you let Beyonce, Kanye West, Kam Kardashian, and Andrew Lamar,

609
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: jay Z somebody else, y'all motherfuckers hate, there would be

610
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: no sympathy, there would be no empathy, There'll be no excuses.

611
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: You would not have this. Oh let's see all the facts. Oh,

612
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: let's do that.

613
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: You wouldn't hear any of that. And also it's one

614
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: of those things too that makes me highly upset. I

615
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: see a lot of black brothers coming in and just

616
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: bashing black women, and I have a problem with that too, because.

617
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: Let another black man die.

618
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: My timeline have been goddamn flooded with anger men being upset, videos, picks,

619
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: and guess who would have been right motherfucking there with you,

620
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: These same goddamn black women that you're using this white

621
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: woman who's not black and flunting in their face and

622
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 3: telling them that they're not good enough, and telling them

623
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: that they're not black enough, and telling them that the

624
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 3: shit that they've been doing for years, she can come

625
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: in and she can do the same thing better than you.

626
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: Fuck you fuck you.

627
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that the spok NAACP is somehow like this revered, like, oh,

628
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: the spok ACP is on it rh cause Rachel about

629
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: to go in Like you didn't know her fucking name

630
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 2: until Friday. What are you talking about?

631
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

632
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: Like you know Nadda, you know Deray, you know brown Blade,

633
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: you know these names when you hear them, you know

634
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: feminist and John's, you know, people who are out in

635
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: the streets doing work. But you suddenly this woman who's

636
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: the ultimate like the ultimate irony of the thing is

637
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: even through black face, her white privileges protecting her.

638
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: Right right, and and and and and to me, a

639
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: lot of the anger, uh that I began to to

640
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: get was from, was was from the fact that a

641
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: lot of black men are either silent or either you

642
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: you you you acting as though, uh, she's the face

643
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 3: of what we should be. And what's even more, I

644
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: guess to me personally, what's even more insulting is that

645
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: the silence what bothers me because there are men that

646
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: are like, this bitch ain't right, No, she ain't black,

647
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: and I don't want to hear anything. But you either

648
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: got the loud people out there to say just the

649
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: most dumb and ignorant ship and giving her.

650
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: All the excuses in the world, and wont to hear

651
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: you know, her reasoning, why and and and all. I

652
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 4: do not care. The bitch lied.

653
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: She lied.

654
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 4: She's not black. She lied.

655
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: That's that's The people that get it that are bothering

656
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: me are more of the people who are like, I'm

657
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: just being academic about it. I'm just giving a benefit

658
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: of the doubt. Meanwhile, they're ignoring all the evidence about

659
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: her lives. Right, But somehow everything else is up the

660
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: question though, right, the lawsuits up the question, Her family's

661
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: up the question, her brother's up the question. Other black women,

662
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: actual black women who are calling her out up the question.

663
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: But she's not. She's above reproach. We need to understand her,

664
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: you know, the We need to understand her delusion. We

665
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: need to examine her. Like how when a black dude

666
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: shoes she gets shot by the cops, we just find

667
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: everything negative about him. But when a white dude shoots

668
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: up a theater, we need to find out what what

669
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: about his life went wrong that would make him, you know,

670
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: do this? We need to we need to talk about

671
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 2: the sympathetic things that humanize that person. We're doing that

672
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: with her right now, you know. And this would not

673
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: work the other way around. If there was some nigga

674
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: walking around talking about I'm white playing as they you know,

675
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: black as fuck walking aunt talking about I'm a white person, nigga,

676
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: there wouldn't be no interviews on up. People would laugh

677
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: that person off the TV. They would just be like,

678
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 2: like Fox News wouldn't want to interview that person seeing

679
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: in MSNBC wouldn't be asking questions about can you be

680
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: sis white? And can you take on whiteness's identity? We

681
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: would not even be asking that they've done many specials

682
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: on blackness, on the N word, on Black America. We've

683
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: never ever ever had this examination of whiteness and white

684
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: America ever. So to see people, you know, and like

685
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: I said, I was disappointed, man, people that I have

686
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: some margin of respect for Melissa Harris, Perry TANNAHI see

687
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: coz Jelani Cobb like to see them kind of like, well,

688
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: let's just you know, let's just muse over this. Let's

689
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: just kind of let's just kind of have some thought

690
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: games with this where you're like, what the fuck are

691
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 2: you talking about? How can you even recognize the pattern

692
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: of a rasure that's happened in to black women throughout

693
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: history but ramped up as of late, whether it's fake asses,

694
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: lip injections, fashion trends that black women have been doing

695
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: for years that have suddenly considered considered hip and coming,

696
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: like oh, look, timber lands are back, Like where did

697
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: that go? You know what I mean? Or look at

698
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: the bold Rocks raids that that Collie Jenner is wearing.

699
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: You know, like we've watched that happen to black women,

700
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: and I think they've been on alert for years of

701
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: the like they've always known, like you know, the iggy

702
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: azaleaalization of black culture and the black women has been

703
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: a thing for a long time where it's like I

704
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: don't want to be you, but I want to be you,

705
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: you know, I want to take everything positive about your

706
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: experience and making my own. I want to take coke

707
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: myself in your struggles now and make those my own

708
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: so that I'll be above reproach and people will protect

709
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: me because I'm a white woman. If a white woman

710
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: started a cold, niggas would sign up tomorrow, like black

711
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 2: dudes would be drinking kool aid, Like just that good,

712
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: that good suicide white woman kool aid, it's different, you know,

713
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: somehow they ice this cold over here, right, So to

714
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: see that happen. I think black women have a visceral

715
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: reaction cause it's like you're I'm looking at a fraud.

716
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm looking in the mirror at a fake me. And

717
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: a lot of black men don't have that visual reaction

718
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: because of two things. One it's not us, right, right,

719
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: So we don't have the just the visceral reaction that

720
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: we would have when you're like, that person is trying

721
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 2: to be me and it's pissing me off because they're

722
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: mocking all the stereotypical things about me. But they can't

723
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: have my experience in this country, so they don't they

724
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: can't be me, and they don't know me, and they

725
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: don't know my experience, and they should not be paid

726
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: to tell people my experience, right, That's the And then

727
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: the second thing is and this is more of a

728
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: subliminal thing. And like I said, I don't know exactly

729
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: how to flesh it out, but black men are still

730
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 2: sexually and romantically coveted by people like this, and black

731
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: men have a long history of trading our favor for

732
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: that even as it is belitterally and stereotypical the way

733
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: that we are coveted by people like this, right where

734
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: like like look at Instagram pages of white models who

735
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: twerk and shit and then they calling people the N word,

736
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 2: and people let it slide because it's like she shaking

737
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: her ass into rap music. So if she just won't

738
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: say nigga, that's cool, Like what's you know, Hey, she's

739
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: just a cool white girl, you know. Now, they wouldn't

740
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: let chick Hayes slide on that, right, But somehow, because

741
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: we know that that girl is possibly coveting the black dick,

742
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: you have guys being like, I'll make it, I'll allow it.

743
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 4: Right. And also I think.

744
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: The thing that others me too is that for a

745
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: lot of people, for especially a lot of black men,

746
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: this is their way. A lot of these arguments is

747
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 3: their way of putting black women in their place.

748
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 6: M hm.

749
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 3: You know it's more of your anger is not valid

750
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: you Who are you to be mad? You don't have

751
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: the right to be mad. Who are you to question her?

752
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: Or just also like because there are some dudes doing that,

753
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of dudes just on some I'm

754
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: not mad you know. I'm just I'm just tapping out.

755
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: I just I don't even care. It's not even a

756
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: big deal. I don't know why everybody's talking about it.

757
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: And that's the thing to meet us infuriating, because it's like,

758
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: how many times there's some ship having a black man

759
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: in this country and in the front lines are black

760
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: women being like, you're not gonna do this to our

761
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: husband's sons and and and and and brothers. You're not

762
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: gonna do this right.

763
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: And I got to sit there and look at my

764
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: Facebook timeline and look at my Twitter timeline and watch

765
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 3: you tweet imposed about that bullshit for hours, for hours now.

766
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 4: On something that matters to you, because you can relate.

767
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: I have to look at this, and I don't mind

768
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: looking at this, and I'm just as angry and just

769
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: as furious as you are.

770
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 4: But it's not reciprocated. And that's the problem.

771
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: And then when black women say that black men don't

772
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: care about them, they don't love them, They treat them

773
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: like shit, They beat them, they abuse them, they rape them,

774
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: they kill them. When women say that, when women say,

775
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: all I want you to do is respect me, All

776
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: I want you to do is love me, I do

777
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: not care who you marry, but don't marry outside of

778
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 3: the race just because you hate black women. And people

779
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: don't want to talk about that either, but.

780
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 4: That's a real thing.

781
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: Some black men have issues with their mothers and their

782
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: sisters and how they raise and they want to deny

783
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: their blackness. And the one way to deny your blackness

784
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 3: is to shit on the people that are in your group,

785
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 3: the people that love you, care about you, birth your children.

786
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: They're they're wiping your ass, they're they're taking care of you.

787
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: They're there where nobody else is. They're the only one

788
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 3: sometimes in your motherfucking corner. And then you turn around

789
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: and spit on their face and go, well, this white woman.

790
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 3: That's what makes people angry, and that's what makes women upset.

791
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 4: It's deeper rooted issues.

792
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: And no, I'm not speaking about everybody when I say this,

793
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 3: but there are perciential people and they cover that bullshit

794
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 3: up with these articles, post all these bullshits, posting pics

795
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: of this woman and then posting pics of black women.

796
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 4: With their hair blind. How can you be mad about this?

797
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 4: But you can't be mad about this bitch.

798
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: They didn't say it was white, Okay, you know, and

799
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: and and and and I think that's the way a

800
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: lot of my frustration has become because this is something

801
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about O day, and and and and

802
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: I'm to the point where I'm highly upset of the

803
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: ignorance and the stupidity.

804
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: People people have said. Like I've seen people say stuff like, well, y'all,

805
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: who represents the race better?

806
00:43:59,760 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: Her?

807
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj? Like, first of all, what do you mean

808
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: represent the race? You know what I mean? First of all,

809
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: get that shit out of your mind. People are individuals.

810
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: Second of all, she ain't part of the race. So

811
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: that's you know who represents the race better? Michael McDonald

812
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: or me? You know who represents the race better? A

813
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: bear smoking a bear? Or Chris Tugger, Like that's the

814
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: question you asked me, Roger Rabbit or Lebron James. Like,

815
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: one of these things is doing his own thing. One

816
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: of these things is not the same, right.

817
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 4: And the problem is that.

818
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: My biggest thing, bottom line, and where most black women's

819
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: anger coming is coming from the bitch ain't black, y'all.

820
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: She is not motherfucking black. She is not black.

821
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: I want people to understand that she's not black, and

822
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: That's the part that furiates me when you come and

823
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: talk to people, go the bitch ain't black, Well, what

824
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: are we talking about?

825
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 2: She lied right, the fact that she opted out of

826
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: blackness right long enough to sue Howard right for discrimination,

827
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: mind you. And then suddenly it's like, well, now I'm

828
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: black in since twenty twelve, I'm black now, y'all. I

829
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: can just put that on. I don't need the experience

830
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: or anything right right, And think.

831
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: About it is that people people don't see and particularly

832
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: the anger for me towards black men about this, not

833
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: all black men, but black men.

834
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 4: But the situations that you act like our angle is

835
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: not valid.

836
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: You act like us being mad that she is pretending

837
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: to be one of us, Like we don't have the

838
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: right to say, bitch, you don't belong here.

839
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: Right.

840
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, it was like Sammy Sosa. Remember when Sammy tried

841
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: to write that white rock that white face shit, Well,

842
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: he just try to bleach his skin. People will get

843
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: in on that motherfucker so hard. He was a running joke.

844
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: He was on the front of every sports center, every

845
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: uh you know, PTI, every website. It was a running

846
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 2: joke that this motherfucker would dare think he just gonna

847
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: bleach his beginning to be a white man. It was

848
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: a joke. There was no talk of transracial. Transracial is

849
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: racial tourism. It only works one way, you know what

850
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: I mean? For white people, that's it.

851
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 4: And it never works the other way.

852
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: And and and I think that also for me personally,

853
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: a lot of my anger comes from comes from this,

854
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: be yourself, Be yourself. She could have did and accomplished

855
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: the same things that she was doing, and it be

856
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 3: more meaningful if she was just herself.

857
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: You can't even be the leader of an organization that

858
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: champions causes if you're not authentic. If you want any

859
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: level of respect, authenticity is one hundred percent e And

860
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: once you lose that, you become a joke to a

861
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: lot of people. You know how many times like Al

862
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: Sharpton has to fight every single day for everything he

863
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: gets because people have mostly looked at him as your joke.

864
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: You you missed up enough times for us to be like,

865
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: fuck you, You're a joke. Every single day, every a

866
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: man that we know is black, every single day. If

867
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: you bring his name up on Twitter, you're gonna get

868
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: hit with her. He's a joke. Fuck him, he don't

869
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: really care about the community. But this woman above reproach right.

870
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: We can't cite a single thing she's ever done, but

871
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: she But what we do know is she's already above

872
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 2: reproach right.

873
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: And and for me, that's the part that's very, very,

874
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: very frustrated because people act like black people would not

875
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: have accepted her in their blackness, with her being a

876
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: white woman. Come on, now, the most accepting group of

877
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: people in America, the group of people who knows that

878
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: there is no way the freedoms and the rights that

879
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 3: we have today would not be accomplished if white people

880
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 3: did not care. Also, we know that some white people

881
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: will never ever care about our plight unless it comes

882
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: from another white person's mouth. Black people have been screaming

883
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 3: and yelling from the size of the buildings, getting shot,

884
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: getting beat.

885
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: All this shit has been happening to us for years.

886
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: But for some reason, when a white person tells another

887
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: white person, hey, that's wrong, all of a sudden, their

888
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: mine opens up, even though black people have been saying

889
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: this shit for years. So we need each other, We

890
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: need each other for things to be accomplished. So my

891
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: problem when you look down is like just for yourself.

892
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you look at like Tim Wise or Jonathan Steward,

893
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: how many times you see a video passed out that

894
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 2: is the same exact thing I've seen a thousand black

895
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: people say. But someone recorded on the Daily Show Bill

896
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: Mahersh said it, John Oliver said it, Tim Wise said it,

897
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, white people that never

898
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: get it get it because they just could not have

899
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: heard it from you. It doesn't matter you said the

900
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: exact same thing. Nope, it's like you're talking gibberish to them.

901
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: So for her to cover herself in black face has

902
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: to be for her personal motivations, for her personal gain,

903
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: for her personal like you know, esteem, because it can't

904
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: possibly be to help the cause, because that's the that's

905
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: the least effective way to help us. We already have

906
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: people doing this shit. You didn't help us, You didn't

907
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: teach us, you didn't lead us. We have people who

908
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: do this. You didn't do anything but take somebody's spot, right,

909
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: you know, especially the fact that she got paid to

910
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: give speeches about her black woman experience.

911
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 4: Right and about her black natural hair right that.

912
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: You've never had. So you're you just stolen from someone.

913
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: That's how I look at you took food out of

914
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: somebody's mouth. I'm supposed to respect you, right and and

915
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 2: to me.

916
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: Something else that that bothers me about the situation.

917
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: There are black women that look exactly like her, and

918
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: it's very insulting to these women.

919
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: Right. I had to see Nick Jews daddy. I went

920
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: to her Facebook page, went through all her pictures we had.

921
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: She was authentic. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm questioning everybody now.

922
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm definitely looking twice at justin. No, no one enjoyed,

923
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: enjoyed that that that voice he did yesterday. Only a

924
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: white person would think that was funny. Right.

925
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 5: Uh?

926
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: She wrote she was she resigned on Facebook as a

927
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: spok in Double A c P. Which, by the way,

928
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: this joint is hilarious. Okay, let's actually start. Let's actually

929
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: start with this part. First, there was she was supposed

930
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: to address the media Monday, right uh there, But she

931
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 2: wanted to have a meeting with the Spokane in Double

932
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: A c P first, which they have a scheduled meeting

933
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: like every second or third Monday Monday of every month,

934
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: so they were gonna have this meeting. She first of

935
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: all postponed the meeting, which she can't do Ah, that's

936
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: not her office, that's not her decision. While she may

937
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 2: be the president, it needs to be a vote within

938
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 2: the committee to postpone the meeting. So she basically lied

939
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: and said the meeting's postponed. And because she controls the

940
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: actual accounts of the Spokane and double ACP, Twitter and

941
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: Facebook and stuff, it seemed like, oh, the Spokane n

942
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: Double ACP is canceling the meeting. No, So then they

943
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: had a guy come out and say like, we did

944
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: not cancel that meeting, and she did not have authority

945
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: to do that. So so so all of a sudden

946
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, wait a minute, seems like somebody lying, right,

947
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: And so once that happened and they decided we're actually

948
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: going to have the meeting with or without you correct,

949
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: you know, because she was actually rejecting black women's what

950
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: do you call it, like attendance to the meeting, Like no,

951
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: you guys can't, y'all can't come to the meeting. You know,

952
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: they were going on Twitter. You know, you can't control

953
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: the narrative once it's out, So they were going on

954
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: Twitter like the fuck are you talking about?

955
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 4: I can't go to the meeting my black ass will

956
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 4: be there, and a shit you could do about it.

957
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: Right, So all of a sudden she resigns, so because

958
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: because she just could not control the net. She was

959
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: going to fight on that line as long as she

960
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: could delay it and all that shit. But apparently that's

961
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: that's some bullshit. So here's what she wrote. Dear Executive

962
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 2: Committee of the NAACP members, it is a true honor

963
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: to serve in the racial and social justice movement here

964
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: in Spokane and across the nation. Many issues face us.

965
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: Many issues face us now that drive at the theme

966
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: of urgency, police brutality, bias, curriculum in schools, economic disenfranchisement,

967
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: healthy inequalities, and a lack of pro justice political representation.

968
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: All onder concerns at the forefront of the current administration

969
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: of the Spokane n DOUBLEACP. And yet the dialogue is

970
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 2: unexpectedly shifted internationally to my personal identity in the cond

971
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: text of defining race and ethnicity. I have waited in

972
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 2: deference while others express their feelings, believe, confusions, and even

973
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 2: conclusions absent the full story. I am consistently, by the way,

974
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: a full story.

975
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: She is not.

976
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: She is absolutely not intent on delivering. Okay, we'll cover

977
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 2: that later. She's been interviewed, I could play those I'm

978
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: consistently committed to empowering marginalized voices and believe that many

979
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: individuals have been heard in the last hours and days

980
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 2: that would not otherwise have had a platform to weigh

981
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: in on this important discussion. So now her ruse being

982
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: uncovered was for our benefit, everybody. Many people wouldn't have

983
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: been able to be heard if not for her being discovered.

984
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: Thank God, man, thank you so much for putting in

985
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: that word for us, because you know we wouldn't have

986
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: been able to use social media without you. The white martyr,

987
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: she died for our sins. Additionally, I've always deferred to

988
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: the state and the national NAACP leadership and offer my

989
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: sincere gratitude for the unwavering support of my leadership through

990
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: unexpected firestorm. While challenging the construct the races at the

991
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: core of evolving human consciousness, we cannot afford to lose

992
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: sight of the five game changers criminal justice and public safety,

993
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: health and health care, economic economic sustainability, education, economic sustainability

994
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: and voting rights and political representation that affects millions, often

995
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 2: with a life or death outcome. The movement is larger

996
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: than a moment in time or a single person's story,

997
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: and I hope that everyone offers the robust support of

998
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: the Journey for the Justice campaign that the NDOACP launches today.

999
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm delighted that so many organizations and individuals have supported

1000
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: and collaborated with the Spokane NAACP under my leadership to

1001
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: grow this branch into one of the healthiest in the

1002
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: nation in five short months. In the eye of the

1003
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: current storm, I can see that a separation of family

1004
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: and organizational outcomes is in the best interest of the NAACP.

1005
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: You see how sheually low key putting that resume out there. Yeah,

1006
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: I made I built this NAACP and made it good.

1007
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: But hey, it's not about me, guys. It is with

1008
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 2: complete allegiance to the cause of racial and social justice

1009
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: and the NAACP that I step aside from the presidency

1010
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: and passed the baton to my vice president, Niam mcqualls Burnley.

1011
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: Check out resume. Let's see what apparents look like. It

1012
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: is my hope. What if it's just her but darker?

1013
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: Ah namacqualls Burnley, Yes, it is my hope that by

1014
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: securing a beautiful office for the organization in the heart

1015
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: of downtown, bringing the local branch into financial compliance, catalyzing

1016
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 2: communities to do strategic work in the five game change

1017
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: of issues, launching community forms, putting the membership on a

1018
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: fast climb, helping many individuals find the legal, financial and

1019
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: practical support needed to fight race based discrimination. I have

1020
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 2: positioned at FOKACP to buttress this transaction. Like I said,

1021
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 2: it's a resume. Look at all these things I did.

1022
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: Hopefully that had you know, hopefully these negroes can handle

1023
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: it without me. Please know I will never stop fighting

1024
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: for human rights and will do everything about power to

1025
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 2: help and assist, whether it means stepping up or stepping down,

1026
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: because this is not about me. It's about justice. This

1027
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: is not me quitting. This is a continuum. It's about

1028
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: moving the cause of human rights and the black liberation

1029
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: movement along the continuum resistance to chattel slavery, to iblition,

1030
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: to the fiance of Jim Crow, to the building of

1031
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 2: Black Wall Street, to the civil rights and Black Power movement,

1032
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: to the Black Lives Matter movement, and into a future

1033
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: of self determination and empowerment. I'm sorry, it's just oh,

1034
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: it's like buzzworth, busworth birdswork, buzzwork with much love and

1035
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: commitment to always fight for what is right, good and

1036
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 2: good in the world. Rachel Dolazo So yeah, she quit.

1037
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: I really love how she didn't address anything, not even

1038
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: an apology.

1039
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 4: Nothing. Why should she why why?

1040
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean niggas ain't hold no feet.

1041
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: To the fire, right, like, you know, why should she

1042
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: be held accountable? Why why should she apologize? And also

1043
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 3: this one no thing where people act like you can't

1044
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 3: be crazy, insane, a liar and like deceitful, all repped

1045
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 3: in one like you can't be crazy and map shit

1046
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 3: out purposely to see people.

1047
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 4: You know, we catch people that do this shit all

1048
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: the time and that bright and intelligent.

1049
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: But for her, when you start saying, hey, y'all she crazy,

1050
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: people want to go, well, that's an excuse.

1051
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 4: No it's not. She lied, And you know people no, no, no, no, no,

1052
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 4: no no no. You could be all of these and

1053
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 4: still be wrong.

1054
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 2: Right, And the fact that people keep excusing the bad

1055
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: shit she did on some like but she did some

1056
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: good shit too that they by the way, some good

1057
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: shit that they can never ever name, right, nothing specific,

1058
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: no numbers, no specific events, just just good, right, just good.

1059
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: The fact that they excuse it, it's really infuriating because

1060
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: they're black people that did that work before her, didn't

1061
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: need to do these lives. So what is what is

1062
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: your point and your acting is if it wouldn't have

1063
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: got done if not for this woman in her lives,

1064
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: And that's just pure bullshit. She's not one of a kind,

1065
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: she's not special. That's your that's the way you feel

1066
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: about white supremacy, just subconsciously leaking into the way that

1067
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: you think about this topic, where only a white person

1068
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: could have done this. Like like you're watching fucking you

1069
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: know what is that fucking movie where uh the teacher

1070
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: comes into the black high school and uh, Coolia made

1071
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: that song against his paradise, you know what I'm talking about?

1072
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: Whatever that Like you're spinning like you're really spinning this

1073
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: into she came in and educate something minds something I

1074
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: don't know, dangerous mind, dangerous minds. Yeah, you're you're spinning

1075
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: this into dangerous minds, right, just absent any proof of it,

1076
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: just your narrative is, well, no, she helped everybody and

1077
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: talked to black kids to read. And you're like, where

1078
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: are you getting this from?

1079
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 4: Right?

1080
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: Where's the work you're talking about? Because so many people

1081
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: if you're and maybe it's just because you're not in

1082
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 2: the know, but if you're not in to know, shut

1083
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: the fuck up and read. You can easily learn this stuff.

1084
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 5: You know.

1085
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: I've read enough articles to be like, all right, you know,

1086
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 2: and I'm not even talking about the opinion pieces, just

1087
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: straight up like, oh this happened and then this happened.

1088
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: Right, And my thing is this, isn't it insulting for

1089
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: the white people that are part of the NAACP that

1090
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: are white.

1091
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 4: They's like, hey, we hit two though, Like we didn't

1092
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 4: lie to the nickets.

1093
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: You know what it is though, Like I said, white

1094
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: people for the first time being in a minority in

1095
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: certain situations. I read an article today that was, like

1096
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: in the Washington Times. I think about a woman who

1097
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: also kind of has curly ethnic features. She's Jewish, and

1098
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: she joined like the Black Panthers group in like two

1099
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 2: thousand and two when she was nineteen or something, and

1100
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: she talked about how since she looked more ethnic, people

1101
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: kind of gave her a pass on certain things and

1102
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: when women that looked like like Rachel Dolzau before she

1103
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: was Rachel dolz Ou, back when she was Rachel Moore,

1104
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, look very white. When they would make comments

1105
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: about well this is just isn't it really just economic

1106
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: and not racial and stuff like that, and how people

1107
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: would like roll their eyes and kind of like deride

1108
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: them or just not treat the idea seriously, and she

1109
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I never experienced that. But what

1110
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: she doesn't go on to tell you is that, well

1111
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: she probably wasn't saying those stupid ask questions either, right,

1112
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: isn't it just really about the money? Like she knew

1113
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: to shut the fuck up, cause that's you know, that's

1114
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: like fucking racism. One on one, right, Oh, it's really

1115
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 2: the money. And then like one as the black people

1116
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: don't know that, and then two as if that's how

1117
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: racism works, Like no, because when they see a rich nigga,

1118
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: they hate his ass too, So that's racism for you.

1119
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: It ain't about the money, you know. So so then

1120
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 2: her thing was like, well, the way that they're treated

1121
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: those people, I'm sure they wish they could like basically

1122
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: put on a mask so that they could not have

1123
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: to experience that level of you know, admonishment for or

1124
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: just like, oh, you're not you're not considered black. And

1125
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 2: I have people say, well, how can you have inclusion

1126
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: as a white person into this group if they won't

1127
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: let you be black? You're what the fuck are you

1128
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: talking about?

1129
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 5: Right?

1130
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: You can't just be black that there's nothing that's like

1131
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: just an immutable fact. Like that's like saying, why can't

1132
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: I be included? The only way to be included in

1133
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: something is to be that kind of person, Like, so

1134
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: I can't be included into and it's a very like

1135
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: first grade way to think, right, But I can't be

1136
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: included into a circle of friends. I have white friends.

1137
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't try to be white when I'm around them, yep.

1138
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: And I don't go, well, I'm not truly your friend

1139
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: until you recognize me as a white person. That's not

1140
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 2: friendship all at all.

1141
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 4: Right, And they would look at you like you're insane.

1142
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 5: Not just that.

1143
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 2: I don't want that. I want to be recognized as

1144
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 2: an individual and the things that bring me as an individual,

1145
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: the things that I bring to the table for myself

1146
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: and my own experience. I don't want to copy yours.

1147
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: You know, I have an identity and it's valuable to me,

1148
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: and it's valuable to whatever I bring it towards. Right,

1149
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: So these like I think that's the fundamental difference is

1150
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 2: a lot of times white people just have never been

1151
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: in anything where people weren't just saying to them like, yeah,

1152
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: you're just not high on the total pole right now,

1153
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: You're you're You're just like anybody you're you know, We're like,

1154
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: sometimes you fuck up and we're just not gonna be

1155
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: kind about it. Sometimes you have to push your ego

1156
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: to the side and be like, all right, I don't

1157
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about right now, you know, And

1158
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: our society doesn't really put that on white people in general,

1159
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: but it puts it on every other type of person, correct, right,

1160
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't put it on men in general, but it

1161
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: puts it on women, right, right, Like, you have to

1162
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: fall back sometimes, and when you're in a situation where

1163
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: you in your mind you haven't really played it out

1164
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: to that, Oh wait a minute, I'm the one that

1165
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: needs to fall back, So you bristle up when that

1166
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: happens to you. And Rachel completely goes off the deep end.

1167
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 2: But this lady was like, you know, I left after

1168
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: my boyfriend quit. I don't know if she was repelling

1169
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: as of parents or what, but her I was like,

1170
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: your experience isn't like Rachel's.

1171
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 4: No, it's not at all. And it what's funny.

1172
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: I was listen to the NPR, and what's funny is

1173
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 3: all of a sudden people want to question what is

1174
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 3: race and is race real? The construct of race and

1175
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 3: all this other bullshit, and like, race don't matter. Race

1176
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 3: motherfucking matters. It was not constructed by black people in

1177
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 3: the first place. It was something that was constructed by

1178
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: white folks to for the divisions. And now all of

1179
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 3: a sudden, because you have a white woman wanting to

1180
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 3: be black, all of a sudden, race don't matter.

1181
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 4: Something that you started, all of a sudden now.

1182
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 3: Does not matter because she does not fit the narrative

1183
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 3: of what's black and what's right and what's this and

1184
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: what's that.

1185
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't matter because a white

1186
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: woman wants it. It ain't even about all that other shit.

1187
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 2: It's like I said, it's the ultimate white privilege. That's

1188
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: what's amazing to me. Even in wanting to be black,

1189
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: she has white privilege.

1190
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: Right.

1191
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: We wouldn't do this with anyone else simply would not.

1192
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: We wouldn't even do this with a white dude. When hey,

1193
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: you said that shit, we universally marcked and white black alike.

1194
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: Like this white dude thinks he can say nigga. Well,

1195
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,479
Speaker 2: this is the ultimate example of saying the N word.

1196
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 7: This is it.

1197
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: This is the ultimate example. And people don't like, I

1198
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: don't like that as a litmus test. Fuck you, you

1199
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 2: know it's true. This is the ultimate example of a

1200
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: person shrouding himself in enough blackness to where they feel like, yeah,

1201
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: now I can say the N word, except her in

1202
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: word is putting on black face, going out and being

1203
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: like I am black and I have a black woman

1204
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: experience and I'm gonna sell it and monetize it and

1205
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: no one should ever question me about it, right, And it's.

1206
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 3: Just funny listening to people talk about these things. And

1207
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: now people know what is whiteness. Motherfucker is the standard.

1208
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 3: It's the standard. And people act like, you know, all

1209
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you know, everybody begin to question all

1210
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 3: this bullshit.

1211
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, race matters.

1212
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 3: Treat people want to pretend like race doesn't matter because

1213
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 3: it's a white woman that wants to be black. But

1214
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 3: if it was a black woman that wanted to be white,

1215
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 3: we wouldn't be having the same conversation. She would be

1216
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 3: all kinds of niggers and you would tell her to

1217
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 3: get the fuck out of here.

1218
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: So I don't want to hear it, right, Like even

1219
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 2: the black people that operate in really conservative racist faces

1220
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: such as like GLP Black Chick or you know, you

1221
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: know the Republican nominees that are black people, even those

1222
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 2: people trade on their blackness. They don't go I'm white.

1223
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: They show up and go, black people ain't shit you.

1224
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: White people are right, I agree with you, and they

1225
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: get it patted on the back at a boy. But

1226
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: at no point can they go I'm gonna leave my

1227
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: blackness behind because then you have no value to them.

1228
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: The only value you have is a cultural against black people.

1229
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 2: So so like it's there's no there's no similar situation period.

1230
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: So yeah that Lawrence Burnley wrote in a response challenge

1231
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: in her authority to delay the meeting, I'm pustled by

1232
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 2: your decision to arbitrarily cancel postplayer on the meeting without

1233
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: input from the executive Committee, which is scheduled to meet today.

1234
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: The association's by laws provide specific guidelines because are the

1235
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: monthly General Branch meetings. Article four, Section one states regular

1236
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 2: meetings shall be held on a fixed day or day

1237
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: each month that they disagreed upon by the executive Committee.

1238
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: It's the third Monday of each month, which is tomorrow.

1239
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't see any language in the bylaws that empowers

1240
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 2: you or any other member to arbitrarily cancel postpot tomorrow's meeting.

1241
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: And after that, shit was on.

1242
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she knew she showed up, She's gonna to

1243
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 3: ask the questions people are gonna ask all types of shit.

1244
01:06:59,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: Yep and.

1245
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 5: Dumb.

1246
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: He also objected to her attributing the announcement to the

1247
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 2: Spokane nua A CP chapter. This is misleading as it

1248
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: conveys a decision has been made by the chapter or

1249
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: the executive committee of the chapter, which is not the case.

1250
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: It was just her telling these niggas what to do.

1251
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 5: Hm.

1252
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: Because how dare y'all call her out? Right? Let's get

1253
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: into some of these interviews and stuff, man, because well,

1254
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 2: I say they're interesting. I don't even want to play

1255
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: the clips of people defending her, but Raven Samoa and

1256
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 2: Woobie Goldberg, of course, right, what else is new? Right, okay,

1257
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 2: all right, here's now. There was a very misleading article

1258
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: on on Bossip What else is new? The title was

1259
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: like Rachel Dolzle drops the N word ship like that,

1260
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: and they do more harm than good with that because

1261
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: cause she didn't, you know what I mean, Like she

1262
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: said nigger. Like she was like kids in school count

1263
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 2: were confused about, you know, places of Africa. My son

1264
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: is black, and they said nigger rhea, and it's Nigeria

1265
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: and they were trying to count that, like see look

1266
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 2: at her, And I was like, why do you gotta

1267
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 2: frame a guilty person? You don't even need that in

1268
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 2: the headline. Just the fact that it was a five

1269
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 2: part interview with her gift talking about her experience in

1270
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: America as a black woman. That's enough. She's a liar,

1271
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. She gave this interview for

1272
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: a girls senior thesis. This is before any of us

1273
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 2: popped off, and the whole thing was here's my experience

1274
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: in America as a black woman. She's traded, like and

1275
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Speaker 2: you go, what is she getting from this? She's training

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Speaker 2: off of it? Right anyway, here's a clip one of

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Speaker 2: the ones I saw, you know, cause I listened to

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01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: this whole thing, y'all welcome my all way most of

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01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: us born and just laughed. But here's one of the

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Speaker 2: clothes I thought was interesting and.

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Speaker 1: Structures to different ways. So there's a lack of understanding,

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Speaker 1: I think in general about how and why black people

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01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: look very different, and do you know, it's like we're people,

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, we do all kinds of things, good and bad,

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01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember in undergrad school one time

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01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I love black people, like black peopers,

1287
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: so noble and they're just so wonderful and so beautiful

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: and so they're interestinging. Okay, that's that's not humanizing because

1289
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: that noble savage myth. Really basically, it's kind of like

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01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: the Uncle Tom sort of. Okay, you know, the good

1291
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: black person is always there for white people or for

1292
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 1: who you know, would never do a thing wrong.

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Speaker 2: And it's also kind of the inside because you do

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01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 2: humanis like like meeting someone less than and then I'll

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Speaker 2: eating into a status is also but that's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: elevation because we have.

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Speaker 1: Bad days, you know, just like everybody else.

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01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so being human is going to be the.

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Speaker 2: Full spec all right. So I want to stop it

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01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:22,879
Speaker 2: right there. Her reasoning her thing was basically, it's offensive

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01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 2: when white people say, oh, well, being well, black people

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01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 2: are so beautiful and noble, and you know, and that's

1303
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: also offensive because you know, and this, as you can

1304
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: hear from the tone of the conversation, she's not saying

1305
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: third hand. This is her going as a black person, right,

1306
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: I find these things offensive. But in her interviews and shit,

1307
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: she's like, well, I thought black people black is beautiful,

1308
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 2: and you know, I just wanted to, you know, to

1309
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 2: spread that word and that message. And you're like, wait

1310
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,480
Speaker 2: a minute, that's the same thing that you said is dehumanizing.

1311
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 2: Now you say you identify as black and as I

1312
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 2: Now it's not dehumanizing. But but okay, I guess, you know,

1313
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: I guess. Let's see. She had an interview on the

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01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: Oh wait, actually, before I even get to that. Oh great, now,

1315
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 2: my computers on the slow give me a second, close

1316
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 2: firefox and reopen it. You know what I'm saying. And

1317
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: it's always when we do something like that, we'll play

1318
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: some music so you guys can enjoy.

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01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

1320
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: What do I have with my Rachel dollars outis yeah, uh,

1321
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: how about this? Now I've never been one to knock

1322
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 2: the next man for getting his.

1323
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying right right, And I do

1324
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 8: realize that hip hop is now a former show big

1325
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 8: uh huh.

1326
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 9: But this has always been something which you have to

1327
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 9: be true. So when to give nineteen ninety two now

1328
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Speaker 9: that this is how we do have nineteen A.

1329
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Speaker 8: Lot of them seas that can not come clean and

1330
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 8: knowing telling hard times and primes. You see him in

1331
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 8: the streets and you see no signs up the hell

1332
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 8: and they get on stage and tell.

1333
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 4: Some more cool Poor boss Stormy.

1334
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: Ringing the bell word. You're faking the foot, talking that

1335
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: ticks your heart. Choke can probably a pop and I'm

1336
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 2: gonna let you know.

1337
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Speaker 10: The next wait, you just don't cut with the artificial flow.

1338
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 10: Nick Tis got a fake facts? The next what make

1339
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 10: it time of frost. Don't get this talked like punch.

1340
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 10: My brother can't take like scoff. Get your world up.

1341
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 2: I think they're making a dragging a point.

1342
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 4: You're packing it out.

1343
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 11: They're making a fat, they're making it froth. They're faking

1344
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 11: a phone, they're fregging a fuck. They're breaking a pot yoke,

1345
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 11: you're faking the full, you're making up.

1346
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 8: You're doing a talk about a tourney fair you know,

1347
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 8: on television and see him hesitant to represent.

1348
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 2: And that's for week or cool. You can't kick the

1349
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: streets for the look. I sold out of wood word

1350
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 2: and everywhere has streets. Just stop trying to hear the

1351
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 2: whack fox over.

1352
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 9: The stage stick beast luke.

1353
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 8: It sounds are real and I can't feel put it

1354
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 8: down on the rill of grill.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna let you know. But don't we time brack.

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Speaker 4: It's time to go.

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Speaker 10: I ain't jack we catch that step.

1358
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 2: I'm afg ready to.

1359
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Speaker 5: Snap the neck.

1360
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 4: I kind they rise at the same time.

1361
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 10: The fast of mind up this book called the Rone. Now,

1362
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 10: what's time to jump? Chumps that far I jot the

1363
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 10: pesson was us. You're making the fall, You're hacking the offchop.

1364
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: You're making a fool.

1365
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: You're making a fuck chop.

1366
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 4: You're breaking the food.

1367
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 2: You're tking the pop chops, you're making a book. You're

1368
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: hacking up up rock about the back m sea.

1369
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Speaker 8: It can't shut down when the main sour sauce for

1370
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 8: your town because we just don't plate be full up

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01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 8: a clown and keep thinks jumping.

1372
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Speaker 4: With the rill for tastling down.

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Speaker 2: You're begging to a horse ofver Rappa with the bleaks.

1374
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 2: You're taking a that's clomb in the streets. They're begging

1375
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 2: them up in the incredible streets. You're hagging the photo

1376
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: a prop to, you're making the fever. That all right? Cool?

1377
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 2: All right? So yeah, she went on the Today Show

1378
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 2: and gave an interview this morning in the quote unquote

1379
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: Orange Room with Matt Lower, who you know, asked some

1380
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 2: pretty good questions. But you only have like five minutes

1381
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 2: to do a whole interview, and like she did a

1382
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 2: lot of it's complicated, and you know, like anytime she

1383
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: was confronted with it like a yes, no, like you

1384
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 2: need to explain this ship question, it just got into

1385
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: like some well, I couldn't possibly take the time out

1386
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: to explain that to you because it's just too much. Man,

1387
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 2: Why isn't that playing? Let me see, you've changed your appearance.

1388
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 5: Your your complexion appears darker than it did in the

1389
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 5: photos of you as a young lady. Have you done

1390
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 5: something to darken your complexion?

1391
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 12: I certainly don't stay at all of the sudden.

1392
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 2: Rachel dolishall, good morning.

1393
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 4: That's that's a for you too.

1394
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 5: You've had a busy week, all the headlines, top trending

1395
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 5: item on Twitter, you resigned your post at the NAACP,

1396
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 5: and you've started a discussion on race and what it

1397
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 5: means in this country.

1398
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: Did you started a discussion and they act like that byproduct?

1399
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 2: Is so that she intended right? Why she should get

1400
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Speaker 2: credit for that? Like?

1401
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 3: Thank goodness you were here, otherwise we wouldn't get well

1402
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:24,839
Speaker 3: talk about them niggas.

1403
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't talk about now we don't talk about

1404
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 2: racing though.

1405
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 5: Did this come as a surprise to you or did

1406
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 5: you always expect the lid would be blown off your story.

1407
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 2: At some point?

1408
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 4: The timing of it was a shock.

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01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 12: I mean, wow, the timing was completely unexpected. As the

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 12: second question, I did feel that at some point I

1411
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 12: would need to address the complexity of my identity.

1412
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Speaker 5: Let me just say, we can't talk about the big

1413
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 5: picture that you have created without talking about the small picture. First.

1414
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 5: Let me just ask you the question in simple terms again,

1415
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 5: because you've sent mixed signals over the years. Are you

1416
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 5: an African.

1417
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 12: American woman identify as black?

1418
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 5: You identify as black? Let me put a picture up

1419
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 5: of you in your early twenties, though, And when you

1420
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 5: see this picture, is this an African American woman or

1421
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 5: is that a Caucasian woman?

1422
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 12: That's not in my early twenties, but that's a little younger,

1423
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 12: I guess sixteen.

1424
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 5: In that picture, is she a Caucasian woman or an

1425
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 5: African American woman?

1426
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 12: I would say that visibly, she would be identified as

1427
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 12: white by people who see her.

1428
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 5: But at the time, were you identifying yourself as African.

1429
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 12: American in that picture during that time?

1430
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 5: No. Your parents were asked this question this week and

1431
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 5: they didn't have any trouble answering it. Here's what they said,

1432
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 5: she's clearly our birth daughter, and we're clearly Caucasian. That's

1433
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 5: just a fact. Your father went on to say, she's

1434
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 5: a very talented woman doing work she believes in. Why

1435
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 5: can't she do that as a Caucasian woman, which.

1436
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 1: Is what she is?

1437
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 5: How do you answer that question?

1438
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 2: By the way, the people that are like her stitch

1439
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: ass pairs, they haven't talked in years because she broke

1440
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 2: ties with them suddenly, right, They probably think the media

1441
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 2: is the closest they're gonna get to getting a fuck

1442
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 2: answer out of her anyway.

1443
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 12: You know, well, first of all, I really don't see

1444
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 12: why they're in such a rush to whitewash some of

1445
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 12: the work that I have done and who I am

1446
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 12: and how I've identified. And this goes back to this.

1447
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 4: What is the work and what are they whitewashing?

1448
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 12: Right?

1449
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 4: Other than your makeup that you put on your face,

1450
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 4: they saying you're white? Right?

1451
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 2: Is that taking them? Does that mean your work doesn't

1452
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 2: count anymore?

1453
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 4: Is that how?

1454
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 2: Maybe that tells you a lot about her delusion and

1455
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: why she does she does she doesn't think of white

1456
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: people's work counts. Maybe that's why she didn't want ten

1457
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 2: Whiles to come and speak of that university, or maybe

1458
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 2: she thought he would see her and be like you white.

1459
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 12: Very early, Yeah, with my self identification, with the black

1460
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 12: experience as a very young child, when did it start?

1461
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 12: I would say about five years old, you.

1462
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 5: Began identifying yourself as African American, was drawing self portraits.

1463
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 2: Now this is weird, right, because she just said at

1464
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: nineteen or sixteen or whatever, she would not say she

1465
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: identified as African American, or but okay, at five.

1466
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 12: Now she did the brown cran instead of the peach cran.

1467
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, she said she she used to draw herself

1468
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: with the brown cred instead of Peach Cray, and her

1469
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 2: parents shout out to pettiness, were like day true, Like

1470
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 2: our parents are like, No, she never drew herself with

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01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: the brown crean in our house. No, that's bullshit.

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Speaker 12: You know, black curly hair and you know, yeah, that

1473
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 12: was that was how I was portraying myself.

1474
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Speaker 5: So it started way back then, Rachel, When did you

1475
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 5: start and I'll use the word you can correct me

1476
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 5: if you don't like it. When did you start deceiving

1477
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 5: people and telling them you were black when you knew

1478
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 5: their questions were pointed in a different direction. When someone

1479
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 5: said to you back then, are you black or white?

1480
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 5: And you'd say I'm black. You didn't say I identify

1481
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 5: as black. You'd say I'm black. When did you start

1482
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 5: deceiving people?

1483
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 12: Well, I do take exception to that because it's a

1484
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 12: little more complex than me identifying as black or answering

1485
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 12: a question of are you black or white? I was

1486
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 12: actually identified when I was doing human rights work in

1487
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 12: North Idaho as first transracial.

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Speaker 2: And the photorecor Okay, one thing that's ready here. She

1489
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Speaker 2: didn't really answer the question no, right as the wid

1490
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 2: two She's definitely deceived people if you tell them a lot,

1491
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 2: right that you decided that I'll go to see these people.

1492
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 2: She's told this story before. She said was she received

1493
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 2: threads the first when it was like something little she

1494
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: was the scott as transracial. Transracial, for the record, doesn't

1495
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: mean what people are saying now. Transracial means you're an

1496
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 2: adopted family, right, Her family did adopt black kids. But

1497
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 2: she's not transracial at all. Her family she has a

1498
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 2: transracial family her she's adopted black kids. And then she

1499
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: wasn't a family from a family that adopted black children.

1500
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 2: That's what they meant by transracial. She just threw that

1501
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: transracial thing in here now, like also, I'm like, yeah,

1502
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 2: first I used to call me transracial. By the way,

1503
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 2: I love to read that article, right, love love for

1504
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 2: that to see that lake. But anyway, she goes on

1505
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 2: basically to kind of say, like, as more bad things

1506
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 2: happened to her, she was considered more black.

1507
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 12: Here we go as black or answering a question of

1508
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 12: are you black or white? I was actually identified when

1509
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 12: I was doing human rights work in North Idaho as

1510
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 12: first transracial. And then when some of the opposition to

1511
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 12: some of the human rights work I was doing, came

1512
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 12: came forward and started. The next newspaper article identified me

1513
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 12: as being a biracial woman. And then the next article,

1514
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 12: when there were there were actually burglaries, newses, et cetera,

1515
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 12: was this is happening to a black woman.

1516
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 2: And I never, for the record, never found the people

1517
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 2: that burglarized her, put them newses up or any evidence

1518
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 2: who did it? Just word same thing with those letters.

1519
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 2: But that's what started all this, That's what got her

1520
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 2: in the paper. For the people go on her pairs

1521
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: out of her, that's what made people go look for

1522
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 2: her parents. They didn't come looking for the news, They

1523
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,759
Speaker 2: didn't call anybody, they didn't out her corrected.

1524
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 5: Well, why didn't be corrected? You knew it wasn't true?

1525
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 12: Well, because because it's more complex than you know, being

1526
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 12: true or false in that particular instance.

1527
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 5: But the cynics and the skeptics will say, is not.

1528
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: It's more complex? Can I can I use that now?

1529
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 2: When why I find this number in your pocket? That's

1530
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 2: more complex than finding a number in my pocket? Right?

1531
01:21:59,800 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 3: Who?

1532
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: Who's this woman you've been seeing? It's more complex than

1533
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 2: seeing a woman?

1534
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 5: Can correct because it worked for you because it helped

1535
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 5: you meet your goals? Is that fair?

1536
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1537
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 12: I don't necessarily think that's fair. I think over not

1538
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 12: not just at that time, but before then too. I

1539
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 12: have had to answer those who have seen me and

1540
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 12: because I'm a black hair stylist, have you know, have

1541
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 12: styled my hair in many different ways, have been identified

1542
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 12: as mixed, light skinned, black, et cetera. And you know,

1543
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 12: I've I've had to answer a lot of questions throughout

1544
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 12: my life.

1545
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: You've changed, But you did that because you want them

1546
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 2: to ask the you want them to, So that's the

1547
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 2: thing you can say, Like, coincidentally, I tried to make

1548
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: myself like a black woman and people start thinking I

1549
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: was black, and I mean people just you know, this

1550
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: is a coincidence. It's not a deception. I wasn't trying

1551
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 2: to make them think I'm just I just never ever

1552
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 2: corrected them or you know. And I actually gave speaking

1553
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 2: engagements based off of black women's experience and charge for

1554
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: to make money. And that's how I got my make

1555
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: my living.

1556
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 5: Right, your complexion appears darker than it did in the

1557
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 5: photos of you as a young lady. Have you done

1558
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 5: something to darken your complexion?

1559
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 12: I certainly don't.

1560
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 5: Stay out of the sun, you know, And.

1561
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 2: So it's just a taggre. Now she you know, when

1562
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 2: you walk, you know, into the NAACP offices, apparently it's

1563
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 2: very very hot outside. It's in Spokane, Washington. It's Spokane, Washington,

1564
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 2: not mely ten white people come from Spokane, Washington, gir

1565
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 2: Look how ten they are.

1566
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 12: I also don't as as some of the critics have said,

1567
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 12: put on blackface as a performance.

1568
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me let me address that, because some people

1569
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 5: have said that the way you've changed your opinion is

1570
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 5: akin to putting on blackface. And Jonathan k Part wrote

1571
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 5: in The Washington Post blackface remains highly racist, no matter

1572
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 5: how down with the cause a white person is. Do

1573
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 5: you understand what he means by that?

1574
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 12: Absolutely?

1575
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 5: Absolutely do you agree with you?

1576
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 12: I have a huge issue with black face. This is

1577
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 12: not some freak birth of a nation mockery blackface performance.

1578
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 12: This is on a very real, connected level. How I've

1579
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 12: actually had to go there with the experience, not just

1580
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 12: a visible.

1581
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 2: How do you go there with the black experience? What

1582
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 2: does that mean? I don't think she means by that.

1583
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you know what I think Sometimes

1584
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 3: some people feel like if they're around a culture kind

1585
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 3: of they become part of the culture, and in their

1586
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 3: minds they feel like they've experienced with the people have

1587
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 3: experienced with that.

1588
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 4: But that's not true.

1589
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 2: These are her bona fides. That's why I don't trust

1590
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: her work quote unquote the work, you know, the imagine.

1591
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 4: The work we've never heard of, no accolades.

1592
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 2: Right, but I don't. That's why I don't trust this

1593
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 2: shit because anytime she brings it up, it's almost as

1594
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 2: if to say, well, the true black experience means I'm

1595
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 2: doing this work, so therefore, you know, I didn't just

1596
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 2: try to I didn't just try to pass as black.

1597
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 2: I tried to be black and a black black in

1598
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 2: the stereotypical ways that I think blackness happens, you know,

1599
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: being a single mom getting my hairstyled a certain way,

1600
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 2: being NAACP member and leader.

1601
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 4: Like she went by the memo that she got on

1602
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 4: how to be Black.

1603
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 2: Yes, she read Bertunde's book and he caused this.

1604
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 12: Shit presentation, but with the experience and the point at

1605
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 12: which that really solidified was when I got full custody

1606
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 12: of my of Isaiah and he so you're my real mom.

1607
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 12: And he's in high school.

1608
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 2: And for that, when I became a single black mom,

1609
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: that's when I realized that I was a full black woman.

1610
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 12: To be something that that is plausible, you know, certainly

1611
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 12: can't be seen as white and be Isaiah's mom.

1612
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 5: A couple of couple of quick points. There are reports

1613
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 5: that at times that at one time in particular, you

1614
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 5: looked at a friend of yours, a guy named Albert Wilkinson,

1615
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 5: and you told friends of yours that he was your father.

1616
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 5: He is an African American man who is clearly not

1617
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 5: your father. Was that done to enhance your resume as

1618
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 5: an African American woman or was there another reason for that?

1619
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:49,600
Speaker 12: There's another reason. Yeah, he actually approached me in North Idaho, and.

1620
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: He didn't say, used me as your father in this picture?

1621
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 12: Right, I want to be your daddy work right, No,

1622
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 12: we just kind of were connected on it again, a

1623
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 12: very intimate level.

1624
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: By the way, I really want this dude to come

1625
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 2: out and speak, but I'm kind of scared that he's

1626
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 2: gonna come out and be on some like, yeah, I

1627
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,560
Speaker 2: seen this white woman that needed to protect her, you

1628
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, I really kind of want

1629
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 2: to see him He's like, no, I'm not her fucking father.

1630
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 2: I'm not her dad. I didn't know she was gonna

1631
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: fucking take this picture and pass me, y'all. I didn't

1632
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 2: even know she was white, you know. Like I would

1633
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 2: love for him to come out and say that, but

1634
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 2: there's a fifty to fifty chance that he would just

1635
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 2: come out and be like I saw a white woman

1636
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: in distress, and I said, how can I help provide

1637
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: cover for your shit? And uh, you know, so, I said,

1638
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 2: pretend I'm your.

1639
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 12: Daddy as family and my wife point out an African

1640
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 12: American man and say that is my father when you

1641
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 12: know that your father is a Caucasian man. Albert Wilkerson

1642
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 12: is my dad. And any man can be a father,

1643
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 12: not every man can be a dad.

1644
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 5: Your love sit against how University in two thousand and two,

1645
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 5: where you claim you were discriminated against because you were

1646
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 5: a pregnant white woman, by don't.

1647
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 2: I even that is her trying to leach off the

1648
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 2: black experience, by the way, right, the whole like my

1649
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 2: parents wasn't shit. You know, my father wasn't there, even

1650
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 2: though she really did have a father.

1651
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 4: Who was there. She yeah, both parents in the house, but.

1652
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 2: How many times you think she's passed that story off

1653
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 2: on people?

1654
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 5: But do you understand how people could hear that and say,

1655
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 5: here's another example. She says she identified herself as being

1656
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 5: African American or black from a young age, but here's

1657
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 5: a case where she identified herself as a white woman

1658
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 5: because it worked for her under the circumstances.

1659
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 12: The reasons for my full tuition scholarsh At being removed

1660
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 12: and my teaching position as well my tha position were

1661
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 12: the other people needed opportunities, and you probably have white

1662
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 12: relatives and that you know that can afford to help

1663
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 12: you with your tou And I thought that that was

1664
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 12: an injustice.

1665
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 5: Would you make the same choices, given all that's happened

1666
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 5: and given the fallout from it, but also the positive

1667
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 5: side of the discussion that has come out of it,

1668
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 5: would you make the same choices you've made? Rachel? I would?

1669
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 5: I would? And what do you want to come out

1670
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 5: of it? What discussion do you want to prompt?

1671
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 12: Well, as much as this discussion has someone been at

1672
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 12: my expense recently in a very sort of viciously inhumane way,

1673
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 12: come out of the woodwork, and the discussion is really

1674
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 12: about what it is to be human, and I hope

1675
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 12: that that really can drive at the core of.

1676
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 2: That's right, Karon, what it means to be human. That's

1677
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 2: why she did at this for our benefit as human.

1678
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 5: Beings and given the fallout from it, but also the

1679
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 5: positive side of the discussion that has come out of it.

1680
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 5: Would you make the same choices you've made, Rachel? I would,

1681
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 5: And what do you want to come out of it?

1682
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 5: What discussion do you want to prompt?

1683
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 12: Well as much as a discussion as someone been at

1684
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 12: my expense recently in a very sort of viciously inhumane way,

1685
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:20,839
Speaker 12: by the way.

1686
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 2: You knew because this always happens, everybody runs to the

1687
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm being bullied. I'm the real victim here. Thing with

1688
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 2: like when people call you out, when people realize what's

1689
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 2: going on on the Internet or Twitter or whatever, and

1690
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,679
Speaker 2: they're like, yo, this person's pull of shit. Everyone's being

1691
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 2: mean to me, and I mean, really is it fair?

1692
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 2: All I did?

1693
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 5: You know?

1694
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 2: It's like when when someone's like, uh, you know, fuck

1695
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 2: niggers or something, They're like, really, does do we need

1696
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 2: to go in on Anthony and Cuma like this? I mean,

1697
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 2: the internet mob is the real problem. You know, that

1698
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 2: shit where it's just a bunch of people that disagree

1699
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 2: with you. No one's sitting in death threats, no one's

1700
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 2: trying to hurt you. Other than that, as you fake right, come.

1701
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 12: Out of the woodwork, and the discussion is really about

1702
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 12: what it is to be human, and I hope that

1703
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:16,919
Speaker 12: that really can drive at the core of definitions of race, ethnicity, culture,

1704
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 12: self determination, personal agency, and ultimately empowerment.

1705
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 5: But when you say you would make the same choices,

1706
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 5: wouldn't you go back and perhaps be a little more

1707
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 5: transparent about certain things in your life or correct some

1708
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 5: of the things that were said about you that you

1709
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 5: knew to be incorrect.

1710
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 12: You know, there are probably a couple interviews that I

1711
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 12: would deal a little differently if circumstances.

1712
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 2: The ones are you pretending to be a black woman.

1713
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 2: You mean that we have on record, right, the ones

1714
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 2: that you know, The ones are your giving speeches on natural.

1715
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 12: Airshit in retrospects.

1716
01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 4: You know, I knew what I know now.

1717
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 12: But overall, you know, my life has been one of survival,

1718
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 12: and the decisions that I have made along the way,

1719
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 12: including my identification, have been to survive and to you know,

1720
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 12: carry forward in my journey and life continue on.

1721
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 5: You resigned your position at the naacp out and spoke knty.

1722
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 5: Do you feel you could have been as effective by

1723
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 5: the way, you should get a lot of credit. A

1724
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 5: lot of people feel you breathe new life into that chapter.

1725
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 5: Could you have been as successful? Could you have had

1726
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 5: as big an impact had you been a Caucasian woman

1727
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 5: as opposed to being identified as an African American woman.

1728
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1729
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 12: I guess I haven't had the opportunity to.

1730
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 5: To experience that.

1731
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 2: You did have opportunity, you assued it. You absolutely had

1732
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 2: every single opportunity to do that. You did not want

1733
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 2: that opportunity. You chise to run around a blackface. Right,

1734
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 2: it is what it is.

1735
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 4: Right, it is what it is. And you know, it's

1736
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 4: one of those days where oh it's more video, like.

1737
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 2: Thirty forty five seconds or something. You want me to

1738
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 2: play it, or you want to go ahead and say

1739
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 2: what you want to say?

1740
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 4: How you playing?

1741
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 2: Okay?

1742
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 12: Yes, so I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

1743
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 5: And finally, your two sons, I said Franklin, are here

1744
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 5: in the studio. They are if I were to ask them,

1745
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 5: if you're a black woman or a Caucasian woman, how

1746
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 5: do you think they dance?

1747
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 12: Well, I actually was talking to.

1748
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 2: By the way, this is a total setup question that

1749
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 2: she like, this is the softball to end it for sure,

1750
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then I'm going to

1751
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 2: ask about your kids and then we can end on

1752
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 2: a happy note. Meanwhile, the kids you possibly hate crimes.

1753
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 2: How come no one's bringing up the allegation of the

1754
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 2: hate crimes being fake?

1755
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 4: No, No, that don't matter.

1756
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 2: Like so shout services should be looking into your ass.

1757
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 12: Yesterday and he said, Mom, Racially you're human, and culturally

1758
01:33:58,720 --> 01:33:59,440
Speaker 12: you're black.

1759
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 5: And you know so.

1760
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 12: I mean, we've had these conversations over the years. I

1761
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 12: do know that they support the way that I identify

1762
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 12: and they support me. Ultimately, we have each other's back.

1763
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 12: We're the Three Musketeers.

1764
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 5: Rachel Dolan, j'all, Rachel, thanks for talking to us this morning.

1765
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 2: App All right, what were you gonna say, gay?

1766
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're talking about going in blackface.

1767
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the black face you can wash off, the black

1768
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 3: face you can opt that you don't want to be,

1769
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,560
Speaker 3: but be be. Failed to realize if one day she

1770
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 3: woke up and washed her or washed all that shit

1771
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 3: off her face.

1772
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 4: She could be white and never even black again, and

1773
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:34,640
Speaker 4: I can't do that.

1774
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 3: Like my skin tone, I don't care how much I

1775
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 3: scrub up what I do, my blackness is still always

1776
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 3: going to be there. And uh, it's just one of

1777
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 3: those things where, like I said before, it's very insulting

1778
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 3: to black women who've had to deal with a lot

1779
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 3: of oppression and depression telling them they're not good enough

1780
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 3: going through real poverty, dealing with a real life single mom,

1781
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 3: not somebody that that they adopted, you know that with

1782
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 3: their parents' children.

1783
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 5: You know.

1784
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 4: It's like everything about you is a lie.

1785
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 3: And this is one of those things where everybody act

1786
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 3: like it's okay for her to lie because she's a

1787
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 3: white woman.

1788
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:15,600
Speaker 4: No it's not.

1789
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:20,879
Speaker 2: M h, Well, Lissa airs Perry, you know, everybody's favorite.

1790
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 2: She said this on our show.

1791
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 13: We well know, But is it possible that she might

1792
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 13: actually be black? And the best way that I know

1793
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 13: how to describe this, and I want to be very

1794
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 13: careful here because I don't want to say that it

1795
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 13: is equivalent to the transgender experience, but there is a

1796
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 13: useful language in trans insists, which is just to say

1797
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 13: some of us are born cis gendered, some of us

1798
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 13: are born transgendered. But I wonder, can it be that

1799
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 13: want would be cis black and trans black, that there

1800
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 13: is actually a different category of blackness that is about

1801
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 13: the achievement of blackness spite one's parentage.

1802
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 14: Is that possible?

1803
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 13: It's absolutely possible.

1804
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 4: I mean that that why not?

1805
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 14: I mean, I think that one thing that she said

1806
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 14: that I found so fascinating was she said her identity

1807
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:16,520
Speaker 14: is multi layered and that her identity is very complicated,

1808
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 14: and that she didn't expect for people to understand it easily.

1809
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 14: And I think what she's alluding to is this sort

1810
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 14: of perhaps And again, we don't know that much about

1811
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 14: the story, you know, we need to hear more from

1812
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 14: her and more of her of her personal story. But

1813
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 14: but there there certainly is a chance that that that

1814
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 14: she identifies as a black woman, and that that that

1815
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 14: that there could be authenticity to.

1816
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:44,719
Speaker 15: That, Tana.

1817
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 2: These blackademics tripping over themselves right so hard, and.

1818
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 4: And the thing about it to me, and.

1819
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 3: If frustrates me when you talk to people that are

1820
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 3: so smart and so fucking intelligent that they god damn dumb. Yeah,

1821
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:11,520
Speaker 3: everything has to be in this world that is not realistic.

1822
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 3: Everything has to be in theory. Everything has to have

1823
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 3: a thesis, everything has to be book based, everything has

1824
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 3: to be in this versus saying this is the reality

1825
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 3: of what's happening here.

1826
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 2: You know what's amazing to me? I read an article

1827
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 2: because I didn't want to believe it, but somebody was like, yeah,

1828
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 2: she's questioned the president's blackness before, And I was like, what,

1829
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 2: MHP questioned the blackness of Barack Obama? But would think

1830
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: this white woman can achieve the achievement of blackness. And

1831
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:54,719
Speaker 2: so I went and looked up this article and it's true.

1832
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 2: She in like twenty ten, you know, when he showed

1833
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 2: his birth certificate. She he was saying that he's not

1834
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 2: black enough because he does know his ancestors, you know,

1835
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 2: all the way back to like Africa, and that that's

1836
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 2: enough to make him not black in the way that

1837
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 2: American blackness is perceived. And I'm like, but then, I mean,

1838
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 2: has your thought thinking on this change then?

1839
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 4: Is that what it is?

1840
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 2: Because you seem very comfortable with the idea of this

1841
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 2: woman achieving blackness while apparently knowing her heritage. The president

1842
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 2: of the United States has gotten death threats. Who's done

1843
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 2: more for black people with legislation than pretty much shit

1844
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 2: any president of the civil rights era like this, like

1845
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 2: this is the guy that's not black.

1846
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 4: Enough for you?

1847
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 2: Like that kind of shit is amazing to me, Like

1848
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 2: I can't even believe the same person wrote that and

1849
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 2: then said that.

1850
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 3: Like right, the same person who talks about her blackness

1851
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 3: being questioned on the air. Yeah, Like.

1852
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 2: That's amazing. And so now she said that, and I

1853
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 2: was like, why the fuck would she say that? She

1854
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 2: had to know it woul piss our audience for one,

1855
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 2: just asking that dumb ass question. Well, guess who's got

1856
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 2: an exclusive interview with her tonight.

1857
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 13: I've heard a lot of people ask you the question,

1858
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 13: are you African American or Caucasian?

1859
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 2: I Am not going to ask it that way.

1860
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 3: Are you black?

1861
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 2: Yes?

1862
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 4: What do you mean when you say that?

1863
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 13: What does it mean to you to assume the mantle

1864
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 13: of the identity of blackness?

1865
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 12: Well, it means several things. First of all, it means

1866
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 12: that I've really gone there with the experience in terms.

1867
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 2: Of what the fuck that's the second time she's done that.

1868
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 12: Sorry of being a mother of two black sons, and uh.

1869
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 2: So I'm a single mom adopted some black kids, so they.

1870
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 12: Go really owning it what it means to experience and

1871
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 12: live black blackness. And so that's one aspect. Another aspect

1872
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 12: would be that I, as from a very young age,

1873
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 12: felt I don't know, it's a spiritual, visceral, just very

1874
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 12: instinctual connection with black is beautiful, you know, just just

1875
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 12: a black experience and wanting to celebrate that.

1876
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 2: Now, remember earlier when she was talking to that girl

1877
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 2: for her senior project, and she said that that was

1878
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 2: insulting and dehumanizing the black people, you know, to talk

1879
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 2: about how they're beautiful and noble and put them on

1880
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 2: a pedestal. We're human, We're flawed like everybody else. But

1881
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 2: now it's like that was my impathus, you know, I

1882
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 2: wanted to celebrate them, you know, by being us. It's

1883
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 2: not that's memory, right, This is a Halloween nigga, you

1884
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Blackness is a costume union is

1885
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 2: put on right.

1886
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 3: And and like I said, a lot a lot of

1887
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 3: this stems from That's what a lot of my anger,

1888
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 3: a lot of the feelings that I have towards her

1889
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 3: and what she represents in the banner that a lot

1890
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 3: of people are putting up in waving and you go

1891
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 3: that shit is fucking dumb, and.

1892
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 2: White people raise black kids all the time and they

1893
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:31,679
Speaker 2: don't go and that those white people don't become black, right,

1894
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 2: they still white, y'all. You're not like, oh, well, now

1895
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 2: I've had the black experience because I've raised someone black, right,

1896
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 2: But that's that.

1897
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 4: Doesn't make sense, No, it does not.

1898
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 3: And and but the thing is, like I say, she

1899
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:47,599
Speaker 3: wants the black experience without the black experience, and that's

1900
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 3: not fucking possible. And that's the part that makes black

1901
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 3: women mad, not having to grow up as a child

1902
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 3: of being picked on and being teased on about your hair,

1903
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 3: about your skin tone, about your big lips, about your

1904
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 3: big butt, being picked on, being teased, being called a nigger.

1905
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 3: As a child, you never had to deal with that

1906
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 3: because that that age you identified as white.

1907
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 4: So it's not the same. You know, it's real cute

1908
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 4: to put on a wig, but is your hair really

1909
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 4: like that?

1910
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 5: No?

1911
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 4: But then I don't want to hear that.

1912
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 5: You know.

1913
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 3: It's just one of those things where that's and that's

1914
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 3: a lot of that's another thing to make black women

1915
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 3: mad because it's, go, bitch, you ain't black.

1916
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 12: And I didn't know how to articulate that as a

1917
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 12: young child, I mean kindergarten or whatever, like you know,

1918
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Speaker 12: you don't have words for what's going on. But certainly

1919
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 12: that was that was shutdown. I mean I was socially

1920
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 12: conditioned to not own that and to be limited to

1921
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 12: to whatever biological identity was was thrust upon me and

1922
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 12: narrated to me. And and so I kind of felt

1923
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 12: pretty awkward a lot of.

1924
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 1: Times with that.

1925
01:42:53,360 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 12: And I remember when Larry said chose to adopt my

1926
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 12: younger siblings, and I knowing some of the resistance to

1927
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 12: just my independent spirit and creative ways that I wanted

1928
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 12: to express myself, I was I felt like, who is

1929
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 12: who is going to be the link for the kids

1930
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 12: in coming to the family.

1931
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 2: So look forward to more of that.

1932
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's one of those things Softball City, right,

1933
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 7: And it's one of those things where Molsire's pair used

1934
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 7: one of them down limit tactics, and you know this

1935
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 7: and you know she's on the show.

1936
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, everybody do whatever they can do to

1937
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 3: keep ratings up and to keep people on the air.

1938
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 2: That was my first thought when they saw that picture,

1939
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 2: that hey we got this exclusive interview. I was like, oh, Okay,

1940
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 2: I get it. Well, are we sure she's not black?

1941
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 2: They probably were emailing her then of course, you know, like, hey,

1942
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 2: come to our show man. Well, you know we promised

1943
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 2: Melissa's really understanding she was adopted as well as you know,

1944
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 2: she was adopted into a white family, and she can

1945
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 2: you know, transracial.

1946
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 4: She's the thing. Now they get the clicks, get the ratings,

1947
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 4: get people talking about you.

1948
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't wait for Don Lemon to have her

1949
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:19,800
Speaker 2: on and then ship on black Twitter about how we're

1950
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:20,799
Speaker 2: the real problem.

1951
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 5: Right.

1952
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's gonna happen next right.

1953
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 3: Right, I say, within the next hours, we get the

1954
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 3: longest Don limit to have uh.

1955
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 2: Now, I guess at the heart of this once there's

1956
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 2: also allegations of sexual abuse from uh within that family,

1957
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:51,879
Speaker 2: the dolars Our family. Rachel doles Out, the former spok Washington,

1958
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 2: the NAACP leader who lied for years while being black,

1959
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,839
Speaker 2: came forward on the day shows morning address of racial identity.

1960
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 4: You know, but.

1961
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 2: She didn't mention that what her previous assertion that her

1962
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 2: parents went to the media about her racial obfuscation. Because

1963
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: she supports a sibling who was allegedly sexually abused by

1964
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 2: her brother Rachel doz Ou on Today on The Today Show,

1965
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 2: former spoke Washington naacp chieve Rachel, those I made the

1966
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 2: first federal TV O calah blah all right. According to

1967
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 2: court documents to tell you about people. Rachel's brother, Joshua

1968
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 2: dolz Ou, will go on trial in August for allegedly

1969
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 2: sexually abusing a female sibling in two thousand and one

1970
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 2: or two thousand and two when a child was just

1971
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 2: six or seven years old. Joshua, who is now a

1972
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 2: college profession and Idaho, was charged at twenty thirteen with

1973
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:42,559
Speaker 2: four felon accounts of sexual assault on child. Rachel's mother,

1974
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 2: Ruthan told people love the charges against Joshua, that is

1975
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:49,480
Speaker 2: all a malicious false live Rachel was the one who initiated.

1976
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 2: We know it is not true. Ruth An says the

1977
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 2: victim suffers from reactive attachment disorder, a condition in which

1978
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 2: a child cannot bind with a parent or caregiver that

1979
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 2: seeks to cause trouble in the family. The alignment with

1980
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 2: Rachel on this is a very bad combination. She says,

1981
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:05,720
Speaker 2: our son wasn't even home a lot of time it

1982
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 2: was alleged that was happening, and I was a stay

1983
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 2: at home mother and very attentive to the kids because

1984
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 2: of her disorder. I never left her at home with

1985
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 2: our son or anything like that. According to a twenty

1986
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 2: thirteen police support, the alleged victim told Ruthan that Joshua's

1987
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 2: abusing her, but ruth An did not believe the victim

1988
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 2: and told the victim to stop telling lies. Joshua Daldzou

1989
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 2: faces trial this summer on allegationcy sexually abused a female sibling.

1990
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 2: Police didn't contacted Rachel about the allegations. In twenty thirteen September,

1991
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 2: the States, Rachel said that the victim told her what

1992
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,520
Speaker 2: had happened to the victim with Joshua dolz out in Colorado,

1993
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:43,839
Speaker 2: and Rachel had promised to help the victim seek closure.

1994
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 2: Ruthaann denies that she told the press about Rachel's Rachel

1995
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 2: identity because Rachel supports the alleged victim. We did not

1996
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,719
Speaker 2: initiate it, but when we were asked, we were honest.

1997
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 2: She told people, right, yeah, And that's the thing is,

1998
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 2: like I said, they never came for that out at

1999
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 2: her is retaliation. The news was like, let's investigate these

2000
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 2: hate crimes. Wait, a minute, let's investigate this person because

2001
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:09,639
Speaker 2: it looks like she did this ship because they went

2002
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 2: ask the police, and the police were like, the only

2003
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:13,560
Speaker 2: people that got get into that box or her and

2004
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:14,600
Speaker 2: the post office.

2005
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,559
Speaker 4: Worker, right, it ain't it ain't no fingerprints on this ship.

2006
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,720
Speaker 2: Right, And then they were like, you know, well, what's

2007
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 2: what's her background? And they bumped into her father basically,

2008
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 2: and and we're like you white, and uh, that's how you.

2009
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 4: End up with that? Like that ain't what she's been saying.

2010
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:32,680
Speaker 2: All right, we'll do news tomorrow with jail coman, but

2011
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 2: I just definitely wanted to cover Oh ice on the cake.

2012
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:40,679
Speaker 2: She's allegedly and talks for a reality TV show.

2013
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 4: I believe that too.

2014
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:47,440
Speaker 2: All the way to the Bank, m ride that blackness

2015
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:50,519
Speaker 2: to the bank girl about to be on TV?

2016
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 4: But the show is she really black?

2017
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 2: M black is already taken?

2018
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

2019
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 2: You know, thank god we did name it blackest.

2020
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 4: Wood been the name of it been.

2021
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 2: Bad now, that would have been what I couldn't have watched.

2022
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, apparently, Uh, she has a new gig in

2023
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 2: the works. She is filled in multiple offers, the film,

2024
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:17,280
Speaker 2: reality show, and the seeking professional representation. After a bombsher

2025
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 2: interview on today's show.

2026
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 4: Yeah she better, she better get in what a comb hot?

2027
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's the hot comb, right, strike a lot

2028
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 4: of comb. It's hot. You don't know nothing about that, right?

2029
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Someone said on my Facebook they're gonna be offering

2030
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 2: her porn next.

2031
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 4: She ain't already been offered.

2032
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 2: It ain't officials. There's a point about it. Uh, but yeah,

2033
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 2: she's got reality show offers. Mona Scott probably can't wait

2034
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 2: love and weave shops. All right, let's let's give the

2035
01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 2: people what they really want. Talking about looking like you

2036
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:22,680
Speaker 2: just cut down a cute fox sweat man got in

2037
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 2: here go twelve ball Gucci mana nine calls. We don't

2038
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 2: call him guy no more. Oh now we call him

2039
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 2: five stars, five star nigga. That's a five star click,

2040
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 2: that's a six forty five. That's the new l six

2041
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 2: cut a man get al fix like he can pay

2042
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 2: a rick and away again it them and pass my

2043
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 2: not ever, sin, I can't even lie now I was

2044
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 2: talked super high. I do not hit up when I

2045
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 2: came up unless she gets five Guchi man a third

2046
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 2: byo man. There's a sway she loved me. Now she

2047
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 2: love you, not that omar bitches little me. If you

2048
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 2: went there, man, look up Gucci brother beating you.

2049
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:57,599
Speaker 4: We get by enough.

2050
01:49:57,680 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 2: Five star whole day you.

2051
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 15: Can five star pitcher, a five star, five star bitch.

2052
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 6: That's a five star Jody juice box and your head

2053
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Speaker 6: something you will botar see.

2054
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Speaker 2: If she had identified as a five star bitch, I

2055
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 2: would have been down with her anyway. Here are your options, guys.

2056
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 2: Group of tails, I had sex with rich dollars and

2057
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 2: it was good while it lasted. Number two Ball of

2058
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Speaker 2: male Girl claims she slept with future a week ago. Hey.

2059
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Speaker 2: Number three group of Tail, Lance Gross and his body

2060
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Speaker 2: are the business business. Number four Ball of mal Titans

2061
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Speaker 2: Rookie Dion Long was like the stove your mother told

2062
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Speaker 2: you not to touch. And Number five five actions a

2063
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Speaker 2: woman needs to see to trust you to lead her

2064
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 2: from a man's point of view. Blocked by at Mitchell

2065
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Speaker 2: chance uh tap tabulate the votes.

2066
01:50:55,160 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 15: Care y'allast fast, five star five star fast off.

2067
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Speaker 5: Got it?

2068
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 2: I do grade eight ship on the British Nigga walking

2069
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 2: and this kareem still out here looking for a five

2070
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 2: star chick. When I texted out, I'm a bustler with

2071
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 2: a five star kid pulling off All right, well we're

2072
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 2: looking like three number three? Oh Lance Gross? It is

2073
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 2: They put the picture in the chat for everybody I know.

2074
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Speaker 2: This is the latest favorite part of the ball alerts

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Speaker 2: judging the pictures, right. They always find the most flattering

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Speaker 2: picture too.

2077
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 4: It has to be the worst most ratchet articles.

2078
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 2: I wonder how how long eleven eight has to search

2079
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 2: the Internet for these? Anyway, like that picture? Mm hmm, yeah,

2080
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't even know who is Lance Gross.

2081
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:53,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2082
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 2: Let me google him and see what he does.

2083
01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 4: Cut with a turner neck about the choke him to death.

2084
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 2: He's an American actor best known for playing Calvin Payne

2085
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:06,640
Speaker 2: on TVS's Tyler Perry's Sittown House. Oh no, wonder, I

2086
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:08,759
Speaker 2: don't watch anything with Todd Perry. Okay, so he probably

2087
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 2: can't act. Here's an old school group of tail on

2088
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 2: Lance Gross. According to the tale, this was allegedly before

2089
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:16,479
Speaker 2: EVA disclaim a group of tells I submitted by readers.

2090
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2093
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Speaker 2: since all these stories about women at celerits have been

2094
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Speaker 2: popping up. I figured, I tell mine with none other

2095
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:35,680
Speaker 2: than sexy chocolate. Lance Gross. Now this was before his

2096
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 2: current fame, but believe he's what he's was a aleb

2097
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 2: on Howard's campus since he stepped foot on it, so

2098
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 2: I hear was he a lb like Rachel? My run

2099
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 2: my run in took place during Howard's homecoming at the

2100
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:54,280
Speaker 2: night at the club, Lance told me to meet him

2101
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 2: at his hotel room, even gave me a key. When

2102
01:52:57,960 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 2: I got there, he had just got out the shit,

2103
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 2: so I made myself at home in his bed. To

2104
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 2: my surprise, he came out the bathroom completely naked. His

2105
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:11,800
Speaker 2: body is the business, she said. It was three.

2106
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 4: I bet you he didn't looking at his pick.

2107
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 2: The package was great and he knew it.

2108
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 4: He knew it.

2109
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 2: There were no words. He just walked up on me,

2110
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:26,720
Speaker 2: stood over me as I laid in the bed, with

2111
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 2: a look on his face like you know what's up?

2112
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 12: Ah?

2113
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 2: So I put him into my mouth. He seemed to

2114
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 2: like it most when I gagged on it spelled ron

2115
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 2: you know that nasty freaking shit. Soon he stopped me

2116
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:46,719
Speaker 2: and wanted to watch me play with myself a little nervous,

2117
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 2: but I did. After watching for a moment, he joined

2118
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 2: in with his hands and his tongue. That boy was

2119
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:54,560
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing.

2120
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 12: Aha.

2121
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 2: He wouldn't stop until I came. I think he enjoyed

2122
01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 2: as much as I did, which was a major turn on.

2123
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 2: Then he had his way with me. I was open.

2124
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:09,680
Speaker 2: He slipt on a condom and turned me around and

2125
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 2: went to work on me from behind, gripping my butt cheeks.

2126
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:14,639
Speaker 4: Ah ah.

2127
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:18,800
Speaker 2: Chel wrote this may have As I would try to run,

2128
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 2: he would pull me back, controlling.

2129
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 4: Me, telling me I was his African American black one.

2130
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 2: My man diding' go warrior. He hit his nuts and

2131
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 2: was at it again. We hit every position I could think.

2132
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 2: He hit his nuts. He came and it was at

2133
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 2: it again. We hit every position I could think of,

2134
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 2: a total workout. After we took a shower together, and

2135
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:46,440
Speaker 2: then he just get out the shower right anyway. After

2136
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 2: we took a shower together, he kissed me good night

2137
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 2: and I left a new woman. We actually kept in

2138
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 2: touch with random visits off and on until his current relationship,

2139
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 2: and then she put the kind of side face that's

2140
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 2: when they ended. Boo you either. Here's the comments.

2141
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 4: Ain't gonna have comments.

2142
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 2: V says, Lance really seems like a cool dude, So

2143
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep my normally smart alec broke after she

2144
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:15,040
Speaker 2: busted it often comments to myself, Uh busted the open

2145
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,000
Speaker 2: comments to myself. Oh so V said, I can't even

2146
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 2: hate gold digging says Sigh, I'll fuck him for free

2147
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:24,080
Speaker 2: to he's so damn fine, I'll drink his bad water.

2148
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 2: Stop Star says, ain't you howard?

2149
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 4: Uh?

2150
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:32,280
Speaker 2: Sandy Cheek says, what's she get this story from? Made

2151
01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 2: up monkeyshit dot com? Girl buy ha ha? And that's

2152
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 2: it for bottle alert. Those all the comments they couldn't even.

2153
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:44,600
Speaker 10: Hate chasing no real niggach ain't never put a buss

2154
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:45,520
Speaker 10: up the cart.

2155
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:47,480
Speaker 2: You really don't.

2156
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 15: Excite it on the haytan asshole and the club won't

2157
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 15: start it.

2158
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:56,240
Speaker 2: Born into eight swing d drivin Dallas, Texas and move

2159
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 2: to tennis. See if you ain't a five star throwing

2160
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,880
Speaker 2: it going ahead, Booty new and short of Danna make

2161
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:04,280
Speaker 2: the fast.

2162
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:09,080
Speaker 6: It ain't a five star, It ain't a five Start

2163
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 6: the five.

2164
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 4: Star bitch because I ain't that other bitch.

2165
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,880
Speaker 2: She be struggling for her from the woolm I been rich.

2166
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 4: I ain't gotta talking about the money in the shoot game.

2167
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 4: All you gotta do with.

2168
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 2: Google tree that feeds up bout none of that whole

2169
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 2: doing shoving the re session. The cars get declined. Now

2170
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:30,440
Speaker 2: they suffering that depression while in your meals and it

2171
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 2: all kinds of deals. I'm a five star bitch eating

2172
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 2: five star miss the whole lifestyle like coming to America,

2173
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:39,600
Speaker 2: all my little we leg.

2174
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 4: You see my bad how I carry her but through.

2175
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:44,520
Speaker 2: The airport like I mad up for red on my

2176
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 2: holograph logging the eat trade passed, bitch all right? Then

2177
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:55,120
Speaker 2: a while since I heard that, I'm sorry, let's see. Oh,

2178
01:56:55,520 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 2: I guess the restime right? Yep? My music? Uh, now

2179
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:06,320
Speaker 2: that is time for some guests the race that I mean,

2180
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 2: this guest done rains time. Now that is time for

2181
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 2: some guests the race.

2182
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 4: That's right, this.

2183
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 2: Guess the race time. That's right, It's time for guests

2184
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:21,880
Speaker 2: the race. The number one game show going across all

2185
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 2: the podcast land and the world. Not that Rachel Dezel

2186
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 2: was out there where. We asked, we read articles Fromround

2187
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 2: on the Go, and we asked people to guess the

2188
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:32,640
Speaker 2: rais of the people involved and the chat room plays

2189
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 2: long and they're racist. Of course, the chat room is

2190
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 2: only contested today. Here's one. A Maryland woman was arrested

2191
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 2: Wednesday after allegedly serving milk to her family members contaminated

2192
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:46,800
Speaker 2: with dead skin shavings from her feet.

2193
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sorry that cat off gone right there?

2194
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 2: You think that was drinking the milk? Like em this

2195
01:57:53,600 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 2: some good ass milk.

2196
01:57:56,040 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 4: Girl.

2197
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 2: You put your foot in this, You put your foot

2198
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:01,320
Speaker 2: all up in this, and she's like, I sure did.

2199
01:58:02,240 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 2: According to court documents, fifty six year olds Sarah P.

2200
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 2: Shrock had given her two victims milk around dinner time,

2201
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 2: when one of them again to choke and coughed up

2202
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:16,560
Speaker 2: would look to be like dead human skin. How uh.

2203
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 2: Family member Jessica Hurry also gagged. Court document state and

2204
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 2: the witness found dead skin shavers in the milk after

2205
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 2: pouring into a strainer. Harry told police that the suspect

2206
01:58:27,200 --> 01:58:30,120
Speaker 2: has dry feet because of diabetes, and that she has

2207
01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 2: trais in her room with the same kind of dead

2208
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 2: skin shavers that came off her feet, traising her room.

2209
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 2: Uh Acording to the statement probably calls filed by Debbie

2210
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:43,920
Speaker 2: looking even pans confronted by police she reportedly denied having

2211
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 2: any evolvement. Bitch, what right the DNA tested anyway? Shock

2212
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:53,280
Speaker 2: now faces charge of the food contamination second agris of

2213
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:55,640
Speaker 2: soft failure to comply the court order, having previously been

2214
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:58,200
Speaker 2: instructed to have no contact with Harry. Sounds like they

2215
01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:02,200
Speaker 2: had some some drama before anyway. Guess the race of

2216
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 2: serapy Shock chat Rizzy.

2217
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:06,960
Speaker 5: M.

2218
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 2: Girl, you put your whole, you put your foot up

2219
01:59:11,120 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 2: in this. Uh it's got extra vinamin D. It's got

2220
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:18,880
Speaker 2: some calcium or something in this milk. It's some thick milk.

2221
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 2: It's a spoil. Uh, they would have noticed it. It

2222
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:26,880
Speaker 2: was chocolate milk. White. That that just made me lack

2223
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:32,160
Speaker 2: toes intolerant. Also black, said Joe's Facey. White people always

2224
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:34,640
Speaker 2: have a nasty ass, caked up dead skin on their feet,

2225
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 2: says recognized taste munkey blood says milk for dinner gotta

2226
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:39,880
Speaker 2: be white.

2227
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:40,960
Speaker 3: That was cheape?

2228
01:59:42,160 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 2: Was that cheese on those plates? Identified as ashy black?

2229
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 2: White because kneegroes and lactose and tolerance are quite fine

2230
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:53,840
Speaker 2: on one another white. Rachel Dolazov's biological auntie who made

2231
01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:57,920
Speaker 2: kool aid without enough sugar, Rappiel MOI it says so white.

2232
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:10,400
Speaker 2: The correct answer is white. Some of you guys did

2233
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:27,920
Speaker 2: miss it. I personally would have went black because she

2234
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:29,200
Speaker 2: she had the sugars.

2235
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:29,440
Speaker 5: You know.

2236
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:34,480
Speaker 2: Also, man, my picture thing isn't working on. I can't

2237
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:36,520
Speaker 2: do you see the picture of yours? Can you put

2238
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 2: it on screen? Thank you? Thank you? Sorry? Yeah, she

2239
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:42,480
Speaker 2: was white and look at her, she's like nick noughty

2240
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:50,400
Speaker 2: huh she ugh no, thank you. I wouldn't drink anything

2241
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:51,040
Speaker 2: she handed me.

2242
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:52,560
Speaker 12: Uh.

2243
02:00:52,760 --> 02:00:57,280
Speaker 2: Let's see a bus driver drove drunk and crashed with

2244
02:00:57,440 --> 02:00:58,200
Speaker 2: kids on board.

2245
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:00,520
Speaker 4: Oh shit, uh.

2246
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:07,720
Speaker 2: Oh oh wait, No, can't do this story. It's one

2247
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:09,280
Speaker 2: of those sites where they want you to pay for

2248
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:15,280
Speaker 2: it the story. Oh yeah, see, let me see if

2249
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:17,560
Speaker 2: I google her name, if I can find another source

2250
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 2: that has it for free, because who.

2251
02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:23,360
Speaker 4: Are these people that think they can charge when everybody

2252
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:24,240
Speaker 4: do it for free?

2253
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:26,080
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's on a huffing and post as well,

2254
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:29,480
Speaker 2: all right. A New York schools bus driver is accused

2255
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:32,200
Speaker 2: of drunken driving after crashing the bus carrying thirty five

2256
02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:36,160
Speaker 2: students into a telephone pole. Oh shit, New York school,

2257
02:01:36,280 --> 02:01:40,520
Speaker 2: New York State Police. I found one crash New York

2258
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:43,760
Speaker 2: State police arrested fifty six year old Mary Colletti of

2259
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:47,400
Speaker 2: Courtland Minor after the crash. Courtland Manor is a hamlet

2260
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:52,839
Speaker 2: located in the town of Courtland in Westchester County. Colletti

2261
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:55,760
Speaker 2: was transporting students from the Lakeland School District to Walter

2262
02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:59,280
Speaker 2: Pinaz High School when she's sideswiped the telephone pole a

2263
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 2: little about seven oh shit. Troopers determined that she was

2264
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:05,440
Speaker 2: operating the school bus in an in taxicated condition, and

2265
02:02:05,480 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 2: subsequent breath tests determined her blood alcohol level'll be point

2266
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:12,040
Speaker 2: one three. Uh wow, you know living it is only

2267
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 2: like point oh eight.

2268
02:02:13,240 --> 02:02:13,959
Speaker 4: Well, goddamn.

2269
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:17,360
Speaker 2: According to Benzinger, some students on the bus reported to

2270
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:21,560
Speaker 2: the stain amount of injuries. Authorities charged her with d

2271
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:25,080
Speaker 2: w I under Leandra's Law, the New York law also

2272
02:02:25,160 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 2: referred to as Child Passenger Protection Act, making the first

2273
02:02:28,240 --> 02:02:31,600
Speaker 2: offense dw I and automatic felony when a person fifteen

2274
02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:35,120
Speaker 2: years older or younger is inside the vehicle.

2275
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:38,440
Speaker 4: Shit wow, They're like, you do it by yourself. You

2276
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:40,320
Speaker 4: might be all right if she got kids in here.

2277
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:42,880
Speaker 2: Nope, she's in jail in little of one thousand dollars

2278
02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:47,080
Speaker 2: bond and was ordered to appear at court. I guess

2279
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:53,080
Speaker 2: the race of missus Mary Collette, nice white lady who

2280
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:56,400
Speaker 2: knows what race she is? Drunk off that box, wine

2281
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:59,120
Speaker 2: and privilege. White, not charged with the tenth and murder.

2282
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:03,720
Speaker 2: White gentified as black until police came. Ah, jesus take

2283
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:06,480
Speaker 2: the wheal white line. Me toss her white South Park

2284
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:09,920
Speaker 2: bus driver white. The correct bus ride sponsor about past

2285
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:14,280
Speaker 2: river in white white? Uh, the correct answer is white.

2286
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:30,880
Speaker 2: She was a white lady. Everyone got it, and I

2287
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:34,360
Speaker 2: put her picture of the chat. She looks so worried.

2288
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:39,840
Speaker 2: She was like a felony, right, she know that all this?

2289
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:50,360
Speaker 2: She Let's go to the bonus round, guys, Double the

2290
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:56,320
Speaker 2: point and the race. Double the port and the race.

2291
02:03:57,600 --> 02:03:59,280
Speaker 2: That's right, double the points, double the race and the

2292
02:03:59,320 --> 02:04:01,800
Speaker 2: bonus round. The Yes, the race. So far everybody's mostly

2293
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:03,840
Speaker 2: tuba two. Let's see if they can keep it up,

2294
02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:11,440
Speaker 2: all right. Homewood pastor's wife cited husband's affairs with men

2295
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:16,000
Speaker 2: in the email before she died. Prosecutor says, oh. Before

2296
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:20,640
Speaker 2: she was killed. In July twenty thirteen, Karen Chayhanne sent

2297
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:24,160
Speaker 2: an email saying she knew of her husband's sexual preferences

2298
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:29,360
Speaker 2: and his attempts to carry on surreptitious romantic relationships with

2299
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:34,240
Speaker 2: two men outside of Alabama. Richard Chayhanne, formerly a pastor

2300
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:37,200
Speaker 2: in Homewood, was charged last January in connection to his

2301
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 2: wife's murder. He set to up here in court for

2302
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:42,680
Speaker 2: a pre trial hearing Thursday morning before Jefferson County Circuit

2303
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:47,560
Speaker 2: Judge Lord Petro. In a document foul Wednesday, prosecutors responded

2304
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:50,600
Speaker 2: to a request from Shahan's attorneys Window Sheffield, who cares

2305
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:54,440
Speaker 2: h ah why I ain't when they do that speaking

2306
02:04:54,520 --> 02:04:58,720
Speaker 2: specific facts necessarily to prepare the fens witnesses. Numerous the

2307
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:03,640
Speaker 2: email statements and from Shamaham himself. Shahman himself demonstrate that

2308
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:06,200
Speaker 2: he was involved in romantic relationships with a man in

2309
02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:11,400
Speaker 2: Nashville and another in Europe long distance. And an email

2310
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:16,880
Speaker 2: sent to an unidentified recipient in February twenty twelve, care

2311
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:19,440
Speaker 2: And Shahan wrote that she told Richard he had to

2312
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:21,800
Speaker 2: choose between the two lives he was trying to maintain.

2313
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:25,320
Speaker 2: She's like, you either got to be strictly dicklar or

2314
02:05:25,320 --> 02:05:26,000
Speaker 2: strictly with me.

2315
02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:27,640
Speaker 4: I nothing in between.

2316
02:05:28,360 --> 02:05:30,280
Speaker 2: I told him that he cannot keep both lives, that

2317
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:32,000
Speaker 2: he will have to lose one of them. I said

2318
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:33,960
Speaker 2: that if he was having any interactions that were not

2319
02:05:34,120 --> 02:05:36,320
Speaker 2: right before God, that he should go to God and

2320
02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:39,040
Speaker 2: be completely honest with him because he knows anyway. I

2321
02:05:39,120 --> 02:05:40,760
Speaker 2: told him that God will reveal it to me. I

2322
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:43,320
Speaker 2: told him that any texting or gmailing that does not

2323
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:46,560
Speaker 2: bring glory to God has to go. Well, I guess

2324
02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:48,560
Speaker 2: she can't be part of Nick and Reggie's email group

2325
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:54,520
Speaker 2: ge Chat. Karen Louise Shahan's body was discovered about eleven

2326
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 2: fifteen am inside the family's Hughes Circle home. She was

2327
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:03,160
Speaker 2: stabbed to death and has several small defensive wounds. Oh mm,

2328
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:06,000
Speaker 2: and the dogrim file winsday, prosecute and say. The email

2329
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:08,760
Speaker 2: and text message conversations between Richard and to his two

2330
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:13,080
Speaker 2: paramours include explicit sexual statements, as well as a reference

2331
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:17,440
Speaker 2: to Karen's death. I'm in illegal I'm in a legal

2332
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:20,080
Speaker 2: marriage contract. That is not an acceptable way for me

2333
02:06:20,160 --> 02:06:22,320
Speaker 2: to dissolve that and continue with the things that are

2334
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:25,320
Speaker 2: important to me, my job and children. Oh, the ego

2335
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:28,520
Speaker 2: on this motherfucker right, There's only how many times you

2336
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:30,440
Speaker 2: think he set up in that poor pitt and says

2337
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:33,320
Speaker 2: something bad about gay people. There is only one way

2338
02:06:33,480 --> 02:06:35,840
Speaker 2: I could become legally single, and I have to wait

2339
02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:39,280
Speaker 2: until God grants me that gift. It will come. The

2340
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:41,560
Speaker 2: woman I live with is slowly killing herself. She is

2341
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:44,640
Speaker 2: diabetic and refuse to take care of herself physically. Her

2342
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:46,680
Speaker 2: mother died early of the same disease and did the

2343
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:49,120
Speaker 2: same to her body. So I pray and wait it

2344
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:54,240
Speaker 2: will happen in God's timing. What this nigga praying to God?

2345
02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:54,440
Speaker 5: Like?

2346
02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:58,560
Speaker 2: Just, Lord, just let it eat another doughnut? Please, Lord,

2347
02:06:58,600 --> 02:07:02,120
Speaker 2: I just Lord. I come to you of the day. Lord,

2348
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:04,320
Speaker 2: I come to you today with my cup running over

2349
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:10,520
Speaker 2: with sugar. Nicklas Ball, Please give me the strength to

2350
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:16,560
Speaker 2: put a half a bag of sugar in the kool aid. Lord,

2351
02:07:16,600 --> 02:07:19,080
Speaker 2: if you could just grant me a trip to Chrispy

2352
02:07:19,160 --> 02:07:21,320
Speaker 2: Kreme with the hot and now sign on as we

2353
02:07:21,480 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 2: drive by. That's all I ask you.

2354
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:26,880
Speaker 4: Yes, have her beg for Darry Queen one more time.

2355
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:30,840
Speaker 4: In Jesus' name, I pray, and I sprinkle a little

2356
02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:32,200
Speaker 4: bit of sugar on it to help.

2357
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:35,480
Speaker 2: Me get rid of this fat bitch. I can go

2358
02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:38,760
Speaker 2: out and get the dick sucking Lord, please, Like he

2359
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:40,840
Speaker 2: didn't think God would be like so wait, he thought

2360
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:45,000
Speaker 2: God would be okay with the killing of his wife

2361
02:07:45,480 --> 02:07:51,400
Speaker 2: with diabetes. But but and all, and also so he

2362
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:53,040
Speaker 2: could go get on these dicks.

2363
02:07:54,920 --> 02:07:56,000
Speaker 4: That makes no sense.

2364
02:07:56,200 --> 02:07:56,920
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.

2365
02:07:57,400 --> 02:07:59,080
Speaker 4: What is God? What is this?

2366
02:07:59,520 --> 02:07:59,560
Speaker 5: What?

2367
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:03,880
Speaker 2: Look? Lord? If you could just help me to juggle

2368
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:10,880
Speaker 2: the balls, I just I come for you. I come

2369
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:13,160
Speaker 2: before you humbled it on my knees, just like I

2370
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:17,880
Speaker 2: want them dicks. Word, man, that's the evils shit. Ever,

2371
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:20,600
Speaker 2: the filing states that Shayhan also wrote emails noting that

2372
02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:23,040
Speaker 2: because of his job, his sexual preface had to be

2373
02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:25,280
Speaker 2: kept secret and he can not get divorced. In a

2374
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:28,840
Speaker 2: November twenty eleven message towards European Paramore, he mentions hopes

2375
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:32,000
Speaker 2: for the futures. And then I found myself thinking about

2376
02:08:32,120 --> 02:08:34,960
Speaker 2: and picturing myself packing up and leaving my life and

2377
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:37,040
Speaker 2: moving to Scotland and the two of us living together

2378
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:39,840
Speaker 2: for the rest of our lives. Actually you do that.

2379
02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:42,080
Speaker 2: I actually was standing in my closet the other day

2380
02:08:42,160 --> 02:08:45,360
Speaker 2: thinking now, which clothes would I packed to move to Scotland.

2381
02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:48,040
Speaker 2: I guess the irony of him standing in that closet

2382
02:08:48,360 --> 02:08:52,960
Speaker 2: completely over his head anyway, or I found myself picturing

2383
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:55,280
Speaker 2: you living with me in the house here and us

2384
02:08:55,320 --> 02:08:57,920
Speaker 2: living our lives day to day in Birmingham. Yeah, because

2385
02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:01,600
Speaker 2: no one will wonder tovie your dead diabetic wife and

2386
02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:04,920
Speaker 2: then you move a dude in, but the stab out

2387
02:09:04,920 --> 02:09:09,640
Speaker 2: her to death. Okay, well that's actually less senspicuous. He

2388
02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:12,480
Speaker 2: also emailed a British attorney for advice about marrying another

2389
02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:16,320
Speaker 2: man at receiving permanent immigration status in the UK.

2390
02:09:17,680 --> 02:09:19,040
Speaker 4: He was gonna go to the UK.

2391
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:25,280
Speaker 2: Why couldn't you just get the divorce? I think every

2392
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:28,840
Speaker 2: time I see an episode of Snapped or that date

2393
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:31,440
Speaker 2: line or whatever, I always just think, like, why wouldn't

2394
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:34,520
Speaker 2: you just get the divorced? Dog take the al let

2395
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:38,240
Speaker 2: your ego be heard in jail. Okay, now everybody knows

2396
02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:40,200
Speaker 2: you left your wife to go be gay. Go to

2397
02:09:40,240 --> 02:09:43,880
Speaker 2: the UK and be gay. You not kill nobody. He

2398
02:09:43,880 --> 02:09:46,320
Speaker 2: probably killed this man ten years later. You know what,

2399
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:49,360
Speaker 2: Now I want to be straight again. Richard Shahad was

2400
02:09:49,440 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 2: jailed for investigative purposes in August twenty thirteen, but was

2401
02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:55,440
Speaker 2: released without being charged. Shortly after his release, the pastor

2402
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:58,320
Speaker 2: took a paid administrative leave from his post as Children

2403
02:09:58,360 --> 02:10:01,800
Speaker 2: and Families pastors a facility. He's direct that first baptist.

2404
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:05,400
Speaker 2: He resigned December thirteen, I mean December thirty first, twenty thirteen.

2405
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 2: He was arrested again January first, twenty fourteen. The day

2406
02:10:10,160 --> 02:10:12,920
Speaker 2: later at a Nashville airport while trying to board a

2407
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:13,760
Speaker 2: plane in Germany.

2408
02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:15,640
Speaker 5: Oh.

2409
02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:18,800
Speaker 4: They was like, if we don't get him now, because

2410
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:20,600
Speaker 4: if he had caught that flight, could.

2411
02:10:20,440 --> 02:10:22,720
Speaker 2: He look any more guilty? I know they told him

2412
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:23,360
Speaker 2: don't leave the country.

2413
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:25,160
Speaker 4: When they let him go, right, you know, somebody was

2414
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:26,000
Speaker 4: checking his enag.

2415
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:29,440
Speaker 2: Oh do you go on to Germany out right?

2416
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:30,880
Speaker 4: Did you get that alert?

2417
02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:33,480
Speaker 2: He was extra dotted and returned to custody of Jefferson

2418
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:35,880
Speaker 2: County at thirty. So they just they just called Germany

2419
02:10:36,040 --> 02:10:37,560
Speaker 2: like can you just put him back on the blank

2420
02:10:37,640 --> 02:10:40,400
Speaker 2: thing and shipping back. At the time, Sheffield and Lynton

2421
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:45,040
Speaker 2: lyn Tyne disputed the representation of Shahan as a fugitive

2422
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:47,120
Speaker 2: from justice, saying he had announced his plans to travel

2423
02:10:47,200 --> 02:10:51,320
Speaker 2: and conduct mission work months earlier. In Emotion five in February,

2424
02:10:51,400 --> 02:10:55,800
Speaker 2: Sheahan's attorneys asked whether prosecutors alleged that Shahan was solely

2425
02:10:55,800 --> 02:10:58,040
Speaker 2: responsible for Kara's death, or whether he was complicit in

2426
02:10:58,120 --> 02:11:01,160
Speaker 2: it at the preliminary Here they question whether the state

2427
02:11:01,240 --> 02:11:03,520
Speaker 2: had direct evidence of his involvement in his wife's death,

2428
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:05,840
Speaker 2: that are doing everything they can to try to manufacture

2429
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:07,960
Speaker 2: a murder case. In his response to the motion, Lamb

2430
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:11,000
Speaker 2: noted that the evidence is circumstantial and gave the prosecution

2431
02:11:11,240 --> 02:11:14,600
Speaker 2: position of Shahan's row. Oh cool, Well, maybe he'll be

2432
02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:21,120
Speaker 2: on next you know, the next serial. Clearly the state,

2433
02:11:21,800 --> 02:11:24,240
Speaker 2: the state believes there defending attempted to create a alibi.

2434
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:28,720
Speaker 2: Convertly returned to Birmingham and was present when Karen Shahan

2435
02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:32,600
Speaker 2: was killed. While it is probably the defendant personally killed

2436
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:35,400
Speaker 2: his wife, as possible, he had an accomplished Lamb laid

2437
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:38,880
Speaker 2: out his account of Richard Shahan's movements on the day

2438
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:41,320
Speaker 2: of her death. He traveled to Franklin, Tennessee for a

2439
02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 2: vacation and planned to visit their two sons when in Nashville,

2440
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:49,600
Speaker 2: one of Kentucky. At that's so conspiguous, I go on,

2441
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:51,800
Speaker 2: who vacations in Franklin, Tennessee?

2442
02:11:52,120 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 4: Right, what's the Nashville Right?

2443
02:11:55,680 --> 02:11:58,360
Speaker 2: The sons in Nashville, the other ones in Kentucky. He

2444
02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:00,880
Speaker 2: want it was just a halfway spot, like get the

2445
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:03,520
Speaker 2: fuck out here, probably just enough room to come around

2446
02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:06,640
Speaker 2: and kill your wife. After reserving the room at the hotel,

2447
02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:09,080
Speaker 2: he turned his phone off at three twenty five pm

2448
02:12:10,680 --> 02:12:15,120
Speaker 2: that brought something at Walmart shortly afterwards. Come on, Donald,

2449
02:12:15,480 --> 02:12:17,840
Speaker 2: tell your phone off so they can't track you. So

2450
02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:20,680
Speaker 2: you have watched Dayline. During the interview, he said he

2451
02:12:20,760 --> 02:12:22,840
Speaker 2: watched two movies in Franklin, but in a later interview

2452
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:24,800
Speaker 2: he said he returned to Birmingham home to retrieve a

2453
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:30,760
Speaker 2: breathing machine. Driving from Franklin to the c hotel to

2454
02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:34,240
Speaker 2: Birmingham takes approximately three hours based on digital records. His

2455
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:37,040
Speaker 2: activity reassumed at two thirty am the next day when

2456
02:12:37,080 --> 02:12:41,600
Speaker 2: he opened his hotel door. Karen Shahan returned home from

2457
02:12:41,680 --> 02:12:45,040
Speaker 2: work around nine pm. That was found dead the next day.

2458
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:48,640
Speaker 2: Richard Shah had denied seeing Karen that day and has

2459
02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:51,640
Speaker 2: maintained his innocence and her death. At a preliminary here

2460
02:12:51,640 --> 02:12:54,800
Speaker 2: in January twenty fourteen, prosecutor said that information from more

2461
02:12:54,840 --> 02:12:56,880
Speaker 2: than three thousand of his emails indicated he planned to

2462
02:12:56,920 --> 02:12:59,280
Speaker 2: lead the country to get married in Europe. Guess the

2463
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:04,720
Speaker 2: race of mister Richard Shahan a possible wife killer. He

2464
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:09,240
Speaker 2: did it first time he stepped foot in a Walmart.

2465
02:13:09,320 --> 02:13:14,680
Speaker 2: White wiggedy white identified as delivered twilette church, white speller

2466
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:18,720
Speaker 2: rode for Chasta white Chetah. Internationally, black people can't afford

2467
02:13:18,760 --> 02:13:22,960
Speaker 2: that white fifty Shades of Fidelity white snapped the Bussy

2468
02:13:23,120 --> 02:13:26,840
Speaker 2: edition White republic A's white rich killer white man. A

2469
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:40,680
Speaker 2: correct answer is he was a white man. Oh my god,

2470
02:13:40,760 --> 02:13:45,480
Speaker 2: look at him. Man, what that's disgusting? Dog praying for

2471
02:13:45,680 --> 02:13:50,240
Speaker 2: dick and death of his wife. Who does this right?

2472
02:13:50,640 --> 02:13:53,120
Speaker 2: And he was messed up in that religion, like did

2473
02:13:53,200 --> 02:13:56,960
Speaker 2: he read the book? You can't do that? Maybe old

2474
02:13:57,040 --> 02:13:59,280
Speaker 2: Testament definitely not new, definitely not new.

2475
02:14:00,200 --> 02:14:03,320
Speaker 4: You can not know, you cannot go to don't want

2476
02:14:03,320 --> 02:14:04,720
Speaker 4: to law say don't kill.

2477
02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:06,200
Speaker 2: You cannot go to the.

2478
02:14:06,240 --> 02:14:10,360
Speaker 4: Lord, shall not kill right for for Lord, Please.

2479
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:12,880
Speaker 2: Kill my wife so I can get on some gay sex. Please.

2480
02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:15,960
Speaker 2: I know that, I know, I know you're frown on both,

2481
02:14:16,040 --> 02:14:19,120
Speaker 2: but I was hoping you hook your boy up anyway.

2482
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:21,600
Speaker 2: I saw her at this time.

2483
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:43,760
Speaker 4: Dead.

2484
02:14:45,160 --> 02:14:48,760
Speaker 2: Michael Martin hacked to death my son with samurai sword. Wait,

2485
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:49,360
Speaker 2: did I read this?

2486
02:14:49,560 --> 02:14:49,600
Speaker 5: No?

2487
02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:51,960
Speaker 4: I don't remember. Dad was not the same to me.

2488
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:55,800
Speaker 2: A bottle of homemade whiskey a sex worker, and a

2489
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:58,320
Speaker 2: savage beating was not enough to kill Michael Anthony Martin,

2490
02:14:58,720 --> 02:15:00,440
Speaker 2: so when the forty six year old overed a few

2491
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:03,760
Speaker 2: months later, police alleged someone applied him with a carton

2492
02:15:03,800 --> 02:15:06,200
Speaker 2: of beer and finished him off with a sever i sword.

2493
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:09,640
Speaker 2: His son told police he was bound and gagged forced

2494
02:15:09,680 --> 02:15:12,440
Speaker 2: to listen to his father being killed inside a unit

2495
02:15:12,520 --> 02:15:16,800
Speaker 2: at murwill murwillielm Bo on the state's north coast in

2496
02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:19,520
Speaker 2: June last year. I could just hear the noises of

2497
02:15:19,600 --> 02:15:22,000
Speaker 2: my father being killed. It was just terrified. I never

2498
02:15:22,040 --> 02:15:24,000
Speaker 2: expected I see my wife and children again, he told

2499
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:28,040
Speaker 2: the reporters. Michael Martin Junior told police he eventually broke

2500
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:30,880
Speaker 2: free from his restraints stole up onto the street, where

2501
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:33,240
Speaker 2: he was able to stop a passer by. The twenty

2502
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:35,720
Speaker 2: six year old made several police for public information to

2503
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:39,320
Speaker 2: help police arrest his father's killer. As he did so,

2504
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:44,120
Speaker 2: police continued to build their case against him, a case

2505
02:15:44,160 --> 02:15:46,360
Speaker 2: which is detailed in a fact she tended to the

2506
02:15:46,440 --> 02:15:49,040
Speaker 2: court and the weeks before the first attempt on Martin

2507
02:15:49,120 --> 02:15:52,360
Speaker 2: Senior's life, three accidental death insurance policies or purchasing his name.

2508
02:15:55,960 --> 02:15:58,720
Speaker 2: What is wrong with people today. I just come on,

2509
02:16:00,760 --> 02:16:03,320
Speaker 2: does any no one watching that but me? I'm the

2510
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:06,320
Speaker 2: only person that's like the nigga. You don't take out

2511
02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:08,760
Speaker 2: the insurance and then killed the dude like a day later.

2512
02:16:09,320 --> 02:16:10,640
Speaker 2: It looks suspicious.

2513
02:16:11,680 --> 02:16:12,040
Speaker 4: It does.

2514
02:16:12,440 --> 02:16:14,640
Speaker 2: If he was killed and his son took this shares out,

2515
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:17,120
Speaker 2: that didn't make sense. If he was killed, his son

2516
02:16:17,160 --> 02:16:20,760
Speaker 2: would receive two point five million from the You know

2517
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:24,960
Speaker 2: that nigga made no two point five million dollars all day. Yeah,

2518
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:26,960
Speaker 2: I'd like to take out two point five million dollars

2519
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:29,400
Speaker 2: insurance on my father's Well. How much is his income

2520
02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:33,560
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars a year? Yeah, he's very important to us.

2521
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:37,680
Speaker 2: Though emotionally, police would have alled, police would alled. Martin

2522
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:40,080
Speaker 2: Junior brought the policies after nob for his father. The

2523
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:42,480
Speaker 2: documents tended to the court also state Martin Junior rank

2524
02:16:42,520 --> 02:16:43,840
Speaker 2: one of the companies to get a copy of the

2525
02:16:43,879 --> 02:16:46,440
Speaker 2: policy and then ask whether there would still be a

2526
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:49,600
Speaker 2: payout if someone died because of a deliverate act. Oh,

2527
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:56,440
Speaker 2: the worst type of person, stupid and killed your daddy.

2528
02:16:57,240 --> 02:16:59,560
Speaker 2: Six weeks and three days after the last policy was

2529
02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:02,640
Speaker 2: purchased his father, he met his father at the courthouse

2530
02:17:03,280 --> 02:17:06,920
Speaker 2: on April sixth, he brought his family and allegedly gave

2531
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:10,160
Speaker 2: him a large bottle of homemade whiskey. Martin Senor left

2532
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:11,880
Speaker 2: the pub with the bottle tucked under his arm and

2533
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:15,879
Speaker 2: went home to his home. Later that night, he opened

2534
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:17,520
Speaker 2: the door in his unit and was stabbed and beaten

2535
02:17:17,560 --> 02:17:19,920
Speaker 2: with an edge of his life. Police allawed. He was

2536
02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:23,440
Speaker 2: stabbed deep in the eye socket, his neck and bashed

2537
02:17:23,480 --> 02:17:25,959
Speaker 2: to the point where he suffered fractured bones and severe

2538
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:32,240
Speaker 2: internal bleeding. Oh yeah, right, his she's do you know?

2539
02:17:32,480 --> 02:17:34,320
Speaker 4: And you are know what? Right?

2540
02:17:34,840 --> 02:17:35,160
Speaker 14: Nothing?

2541
02:17:36,320 --> 02:17:39,400
Speaker 2: Can you hear me now? Stabbing, broke up his sleeping

2542
02:17:39,480 --> 02:17:41,080
Speaker 2: his house guests, was whacked in the head with a

2543
02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:44,160
Speaker 2: hard object and beaten. The Textives believed three people involved

2544
02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:46,560
Speaker 2: in the home invasion, including local sex work of Jessica

2545
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:49,760
Speaker 2: honey Fallon twenty one, who police say told them she

2546
02:17:49,920 --> 02:17:52,720
Speaker 2: was paid to carry out the attack. The pair were

2547
02:17:52,760 --> 02:17:54,720
Speaker 2: lucky to be alive and spent several weeks in aduced

2548
02:17:54,760 --> 02:17:57,120
Speaker 2: coma in intensive care. War I know he was so mad,

2549
02:17:57,200 --> 02:18:00,600
Speaker 2: this nigga lived any news? Can can we pull the

2550
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:04,360
Speaker 2: plug yet? Well, sir, it's very unusual to no, that

2551
02:18:04,520 --> 02:18:06,879
Speaker 2: is not a decision that we would make at this time. Well,

2552
02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:08,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if I some machines in there,

2553
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:10,400
Speaker 2: I mean, y'all need to say some power. I mean,

2554
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:13,400
Speaker 2: y'all do y'all want to go home, because, like you know,

2555
02:18:13,480 --> 02:18:15,280
Speaker 2: we can just wrap this up. Everybody can go home.

2556
02:18:15,320 --> 02:18:16,880
Speaker 2: I mean you like you know, the game is on

2557
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:18,920
Speaker 2: at nine, and I mean it's eight forty five. You

2558
02:18:18,920 --> 02:18:20,520
Speaker 2: could probably still make it, and we just turned off

2559
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:24,520
Speaker 2: the machines. When Martin Senior was discharged at early June,

2560
02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:26,600
Speaker 2: he spent a week at his former partner's house before

2561
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:29,120
Speaker 2: Martin Junior offered to take him home and collect some

2562
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:31,680
Speaker 2: of his belongings. Father and son checked it to the

2563
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:35,920
Speaker 2: hotel and drank a few beers. Sneker probably still bleeding

2564
02:18:35,959 --> 02:18:39,000
Speaker 2: out the lung drinking beer. Then he bought another case

2565
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:41,000
Speaker 2: of bed for his father and the pair drove to

2566
02:18:41,640 --> 02:18:45,640
Speaker 2: the home where the April attack occurred. By his account,

2567
02:18:45,640 --> 02:18:47,280
Speaker 2: here and his father had drunk too much to drive

2568
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:49,680
Speaker 2: back to the hotel and decided to sleep at the unit.

2569
02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:51,760
Speaker 2: This despite the fact that the interior of the unit

2570
02:18:51,879 --> 02:18:53,600
Speaker 2: was still smear with large amounts of blood from the

2571
02:18:53,600 --> 02:18:56,880
Speaker 2: first attack. And his interview with police, Martin Junior allegedly

2572
02:18:56,920 --> 02:18:58,879
Speaker 2: said he fell asleep but was walking by a hard

2573
02:18:58,920 --> 02:19:01,000
Speaker 2: blow to his head, dragged by ain't going to the kitchen,

2574
02:19:01,400 --> 02:19:04,200
Speaker 2: an attack about his head, wrists, lower legs, and with

2575
02:19:04,320 --> 02:19:08,560
Speaker 2: black tape before he slid into the toilet. Martin Julia

2576
02:19:08,600 --> 02:19:11,360
Speaker 2: describes that whilst remaining silent, he heard the sound of

2577
02:19:11,400 --> 02:19:13,959
Speaker 2: what he believed to be Martin Senior having his throat cut,

2578
02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:16,800
Speaker 2: and based this on his on his work as an

2579
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:21,400
Speaker 2: avatar from slaughtering livestock, which also would give him experience

2580
02:19:21,440 --> 02:19:24,040
Speaker 2: cutting throats. The forty six year old was hacked to

2581
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:28,320
Speaker 2: dene with a Samurai sword and left partially decapitated. Well

2582
02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:32,000
Speaker 2: police arrived, Martin Jr. Appeared distressed and allegedly told police

2583
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:34,480
Speaker 2: he had only touched his ankles to fill for a post,

2584
02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:37,400
Speaker 2: but police said they found a number of things that

2585
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:40,400
Speaker 2: didn't quite add up. Martin Senior's blood was allegedly found

2586
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:43,720
Speaker 2: on the Sun's T shirt and long pants. They also

2587
02:19:43,800 --> 02:19:46,400
Speaker 2: allegedly found Martin Junior's blood on the face down side

2588
02:19:46,400 --> 02:19:48,520
Speaker 2: of an axe left at the scene where he smeared,

2589
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:53,280
Speaker 2: which he swears he never touched. Police also found an

2590
02:19:53,320 --> 02:19:56,360
Speaker 2: American Express card transaction on Martin Juior's credit card for

2591
02:19:56,480 --> 02:19:57,480
Speaker 2: black cloth tape.

2592
02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:00,480
Speaker 4: Aha.

2593
02:20:02,480 --> 02:20:07,080
Speaker 3: Credit transactions get you every time. Uh, he had to

2594
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:09,600
Speaker 3: get it on, David, I know you couldn't did.

2595
02:20:09,560 --> 02:20:10,279
Speaker 4: This with cash.

2596
02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:12,840
Speaker 2: Guess when he Guess when he bought it the day

2597
02:20:12,879 --> 02:20:19,440
Speaker 2: before his father's gone open and shutcase washing. Then there

2598
02:20:19,560 --> 02:20:22,879
Speaker 2: was a claim Martin Jr. Submitted to Clearview Insurance Company

2599
02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:25,000
Speaker 2: for one million dollar the benefit after the death of

2600
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:28,640
Speaker 2: his father. Months later, detectives allegedly found a nine page

2601
02:20:28,680 --> 02:20:31,400
Speaker 2: later in Martin Jr. Letter in Martin Jr's desk. The

2602
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:34,040
Speaker 2: letter to his wife, Candice Martin, age twenty five, allegedly

2603
02:20:34,120 --> 02:20:36,680
Speaker 2: outlines their plans to kill Martin Senr. And claim his

2604
02:20:36,760 --> 02:20:40,880
Speaker 2: life insurance. God damn, you fucking idiots. Oh, I can't

2605
02:20:40,879 --> 02:20:44,040
Speaker 2: wait a letter. I cannot wait for Snap Couples to

2606
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:45,040
Speaker 2: cover y'all niggas.

2607
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:46,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they they're gonna be on it.

2608
02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:48,720
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the first ever ten minute episode.

2609
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:54,800
Speaker 3: You and I would finally be able to have it Snaps, Right, Snap,

2610
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:57,760
Speaker 3: dumb ass couples coming up next on Snap.

2611
02:20:57,879 --> 02:21:00,800
Speaker 2: They did it the end, right, You and I will

2612
02:21:00,840 --> 02:21:02,520
Speaker 2: finally be able to have the things in life. We

2613
02:21:02,600 --> 02:21:05,760
Speaker 2: have a wanted, plans were set and everything seemed perfect, police,

2614
02:21:06,280 --> 02:21:07,920
Speaker 2: he wrote in the letter. Police also a legend the

2615
02:21:07,959 --> 02:21:10,680
Speaker 2: fact sheet that they recorded conversation where miss Martin talks

2616
02:21:10,680 --> 02:21:13,320
Speaker 2: about how she poured acid over the samurai saw in

2617
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:18,800
Speaker 2: dumped it in the bushland into Womba, Queensland. On February

2618
02:21:18,879 --> 02:21:22,160
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, homicide detectives arrested Jessica Huney folon charge over

2619
02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:24,520
Speaker 2: the tenth of murder and cause of reckless body harming company.

2620
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:27,960
Speaker 2: Two weeks later, police arrested Michael Philip Martin and charged

2621
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:31,560
Speaker 2: here with several offenses, including murder. April eleventh, Candace Jody

2622
02:21:31,640 --> 02:21:34,200
Speaker 2: Martin was charged with conspiracy and being accessed with before

2623
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:37,400
Speaker 2: and after the murder. She was granted conditional bell, while

2624
02:21:37,400 --> 02:21:40,359
Speaker 2: the other two remain in custody. All three will reappear

2625
02:21:40,480 --> 02:21:43,040
Speaker 2: in the court when the matters are listed for mention.

2626
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:47,400
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we'll be back tomorrow. Should be a

2627
02:21:47,480 --> 02:21:51,720
Speaker 2: fun show. Jail Covid will be our guest and we'll

2628
02:21:51,720 --> 02:21:54,760
Speaker 2: be talking about twelve Years a Bringer, which is hilarious

2629
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:56,880
Speaker 2: YouTube video if you haven't seen it already. If you're

2630
02:21:56,879 --> 02:21:59,360
Speaker 2: not subscribe to this channel, you should be yes, But

2631
02:22:00,040 --> 02:22:02,280
Speaker 2: especially if you're into the comedy world like we are

2632
02:22:02,480 --> 02:22:06,720
Speaker 2: and love comedians and jokes and shit like check out

2633
02:22:06,760 --> 02:22:09,320
Speaker 2: twelve Years a Bringer so many of our friends from

2634
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:14,040
Speaker 2: the show on it ray signing Chris Landreth, Cours, Jail cobD,

2635
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:19,960
Speaker 2: Mike Brown, Brandon Collins, John Minus like so many people,

2636
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:23,880
Speaker 2: So please check that out. All right, guys, let's go

2637
02:22:24,280 --> 02:22:28,200
Speaker 2: watch some games until tomorrow. I love you, wh