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Speaker 1: to Coast John breaking with us. Tim White will get

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Speaker 1: your phone calls as well this hour. John, do you

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Speaker 1: think that the American public feels as if they're getting

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Speaker 1: a fair shake when they go into vote and that

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Speaker 1: their vote counts? You know, I have to say that

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Speaker 1: because of two thousand and sixteen, because of all the media,

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Speaker 1: you know, we seem to believe that two thousand sixteen

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Speaker 1: was the year that the American public realized that their

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Speaker 1: vote was in danger. It's constantly in the news, okay

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Speaker 1: and uh. And because of that, people are far more

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Speaker 1: aware and concerned. And by the way, you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people I know don't vote, and and you

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Speaker 1: know the largest political body of people are people who

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Speaker 1: don't vote at all. In the two thousand and sixteen election,

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Speaker 1: there was a hundred and seven million people who are

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Speaker 1: registered or not registered who did not vote. And I

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Speaker 1: believe that a lot of people will come back into

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Speaker 1: the fold as soon as they know that elections really

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Speaker 1: matter and that they are counted and they're verified. I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you I do not vote for the presidency.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you why. When I was a

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Speaker 1: younger kid, I had heard that Walter Cronkite never voted

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Speaker 1: to remain impartial, and I always told myself, Gosh, when

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Speaker 1: you get into radio and television, you can do the

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Speaker 1: same thing. And I have always felt John and Tim

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Speaker 1: that for me to remain totally impartial, no favoritism. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to be able to say I supported UH

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Speaker 1: President Trump or I supported Hillary Clinton. I can go

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Speaker 1: right down the middle and say I didn't vote for

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Speaker 1: any of them. I'm calling every issue I see good

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Speaker 1: or bad the way I see it, and I've always

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Speaker 1: done it that way. John, Well, that's commendable, it really is.

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Speaker 1: And you know I'm in a unique situation. Yeah, well, George,

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Speaker 1: who is a journalist, and that's really important in journalism.

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Speaker 1: But we do have a problem with you transfer that

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Speaker 1: same concept to say secretaries of states and election administrators.

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Speaker 1: Were they trying to put forth that they are neutral, honest, scrupulous,

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Speaker 1: high integrity, unbiased? How can they if one's a Republican

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Speaker 1: or a Democrat. The fact of the matter is there

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Speaker 1: is no one on this planet who doesn't have an

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Speaker 1: interest in who runs the United States. There is no trustworthy,

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Speaker 1: neutral source to count our ballots without as looking over

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Speaker 1: their shoulder and watching everything you're doing because they have

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Speaker 1: an interest. And that's okay, But we need to especially

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Speaker 1: watch out for the officials who claim that they don't

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Speaker 1: have a bias. We know that people have biases. What

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Speaker 1: you do is you control for bias. You can't eliminate it,

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Speaker 1: you control for it. And the answer is transparency. And

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Speaker 1: to answer your question that you asked me before the

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Speaker 1: break of what is my level of confidence in this

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Speaker 1: coming election, it really depends on the transparency. Once we

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Speaker 1: have and they're moving fast in this direction. Once you

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Speaker 1: have voter marked paper ballots, that election is verifi a

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Speaker 1: bull but it isn't actually verified unless they release these

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Speaker 1: documents so that we can see how they're being counted.

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Speaker 1: And that's what Harris christened it the breaking method. That

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Speaker 1: is the focus of the work that we had Elections

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Speaker 1: USA dot org. That is what we are trying to do,

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Speaker 1: and it has three parts. First, you save those ballot images,

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Speaker 1: those of the ballots, you don't destroy them. Second, because

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Speaker 1: they are anonymous and actually the votes are captured off

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Speaker 1: of the image of the ballot, not off the paper ballot,

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Speaker 1: so they're not just a backup. You have the paper ballot,

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Speaker 1: then you have the image, and then you have the winner.

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Speaker 1: They sit right in the middle of that chain of custody.

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Speaker 1: Those ballots should be posted online. Anyone in the world

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Speaker 1: can go through those ballots. Maybe you just wouldn't. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you have your auntie who's running for the local port

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Speaker 1: few precincts. You can go online and look at those

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Speaker 1: certified copies of the ballot and you can do the

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Speaker 1: tellent yourself and check. In fact, we could have thousands

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Speaker 1: of citizens across the country doing it's it's really crowd counting,

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Speaker 1: crowd auditing. If you can imagine that, you could do

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Speaker 1: two precincts, fifty precincts. There's open source software that allows

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Speaker 1: you to count those images just the same as the company's. Well,

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Speaker 1: then I think that's critical to him that these images

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Speaker 1: need to be counted by somebody if they're going to

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Speaker 1: save them that so far as I'm concerned, if we

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Speaker 1: have that kind of transparency, I don't care who counts.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if Putent can count the American election.

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Speaker 1: If we have transparency, he's not gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: get away with cheating. Isn't to have honest people the chance.

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Speaker 1: The answer is to have verification, And the best way

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Speaker 1: to do that with these ballot images, post them online,

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Speaker 1: Let anyone count and compare their account with the official count,

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Speaker 1: and if there's a problem, let's do it over look

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Speaker 1: more closely, recount those find out where the problem is. John,

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Speaker 1: what were you saying about that, Well, he's right on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the trick is to take away

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Speaker 1: their impunity, is to do that, and by the way.

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Speaker 1: You know, the breaking method is nothing that US breakings

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Speaker 1: invented or anything like that. It's really a pun. The

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Speaker 1: breaking method puts the brakes on election fraud. We could

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Speaker 1: take the black box, turn it into a transparent box

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Speaker 1: and that is the ultimate gold. Now, of course there's

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Speaker 1: are the problems that we have to worry about. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, we were afraid of ballot harvesting, ballot stuffing.

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Speaker 1: The vendors have too much power, and you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's just look at the vendors for a minute. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know there's four or five big ones. Really just

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Speaker 1: one big one which is Dominion. Now hold owns Sequoia

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Speaker 1: and the old D boat line. And who owns that company? Uh?

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Speaker 1: They are owned by corporations. But you know, well this

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Speaker 1: way the US based or foreign h well, the Dominion

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Speaker 1: is out of Canada, believe it or not. I trust

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Speaker 1: the Canadians. Yeah, well I don't know about the company,

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Speaker 1: but I trust the Canadians. I want to verify for all.

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Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, all of these voting

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Speaker 1: companies have STDs because and what I mean by that

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Speaker 1: is is that the kind of a little joke. But

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Speaker 1: it's software transmitted disease. I bet you thought it was

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Speaker 1: the other one did. I'm trying to figure out how

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Speaker 1: a computer could come down with that right, well, very

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Speaker 1: easily because they've all been in bed with each other

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Speaker 1: in partnerships and different things like that, and they share

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Speaker 1: software code, interesting and fraction magic what you know about

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Speaker 1: from bev uh you know that's in all of them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we can see that, and that the relationship between you know,

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Speaker 1: let's put this way, before dominion got de bo it

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Speaker 1: went to E S and S. Okay, the owners of

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Speaker 1: E S, N S and Sequoia were brothers at one

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Speaker 1: point in time fifteen years ago. Okay. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: really a situation that we are voting on stuff that

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Speaker 1: secret software and if we do not come up with

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Speaker 1: the situation, and what really alarms me and where I'm

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Speaker 1: out here working at really hard with others in the

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Speaker 1: don't do something now, okay, in this cycle, in the

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Speaker 1: next cycle, then we have to worry about the third

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Speaker 1: big problem, which is jerrymandering, and that will happen with

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Speaker 1: the next census. And that's when you have Canada, when

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Speaker 1: you have politicians picking their voters because they draw bizarre

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Speaker 1: lines and uh, and we're not going to get this

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Speaker 1: ship turned around until we have a voting system that

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