Speaker 1: Hi. My name is Tyler McCall and the editor chief
Speaker 1: of Fashionista and a Gossip Girl superfan. And were we
Speaker 1: watching season two episode nine there might be blood. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: listeners to your one and only source into all things
Speaker 1: gossip grow. You know you'll love it. XO x O.
Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome back to XO XO with me
Speaker 1: Jessica's or We've got another wild rewatch for you today,
Speaker 1: Season two, episode nine, There might be blood. This one
Speaker 1: dives into Little Jay's guerilla fashion show. So to break
Speaker 1: it down, I brought back the editor in chief of Fashionista,
Speaker 1: Tyler McCall. You probably heard Tyler host our mail Bag episode,
Speaker 1: so you know she really knows her stuff. She's here
Speaker 1: to help me cover every crazy detail in this rewatch
Speaker 1: like Blair chasing Muffie around Manhattan, Jenny and Agnes crashing
Speaker 1: a charity galla, and Rufus trying to get his own
Speaker 1: daughter arrested. What. So I'm glad we have our Gossip
Speaker 1: Girl historian around for this one. Let's get into it. Hello, Hi,
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good? How are you good? Congratulations
Speaker 1: by the way, thank you very much. What a wild
Speaker 1: and amazing like situation in life. For for anyone that
Speaker 1: gets to experience that with the person they love so much,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm still on cloud nine. Yeah that's exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, so we have to have them a
Speaker 1: call back and we're going to do a rewatch this
Speaker 1: time for those of you, which I think if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, you definitely know everything that she's done.
Speaker 1: But can you just give us a little backstory on
Speaker 1: you and how Fashionista came about and your self proclaimed
Speaker 1: gossip girl historian, which I love. I might going to
Speaker 1: you for questions about the show, which I find so
Speaker 1: like lovely and hilarious at the same time in the
Speaker 1: best way. But can you give us a little backstory
Speaker 1: of how that all came about, like you being the
Speaker 1: editor in chief of Fashionista and yeah, all of that. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'll give you the super shart version. Because I've had
Speaker 1: a very round about life and career. I was a
Speaker 1: history major in college because I thought I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a high school teacher, and that clearly is not
Speaker 1: how that went. I graduated in two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: when the recession hit. You're like a different high school
Speaker 1: teacher though, like you're like a new age high school
Speaker 1: teacher in a way like educating. So I went got
Speaker 1: my master's. I lived in Paris for a year. I
Speaker 1: got my master's in French cultural studies, and I wrote
Speaker 1: my thesis on French fashion and globalization because I was
Speaker 1: really interested in fashion amazing. As part of that, I
Speaker 1: got an internship with Women's Where Daily, which is a
Speaker 1: fashion publication, and realized that I really loved it and
Speaker 1: wanted to pursue it. Took a slight detour for two
Speaker 1: years where I lived with an ex boyfriend in Alabama
Speaker 1: while he was doing law school. Listen, every little, every
Speaker 1: little part of our story is a part of our
Speaker 1: path and our whole picture. So it worked out. I
Speaker 1: think it worked out for the best in the end.
Speaker 1: But I knew that I wanted to work in fashion.
Speaker 1: So I sat down one day cold emailed I think
Speaker 1: like fifty or sixty people in the fashion industry that
Speaker 1: I wanted to work with. And one of the people
Speaker 1: that I emailed was my first boss at Fashionissa, this
Speaker 1: woman Leab, and she recognized me from the comments section
Speaker 1: because this was back when people commented on the internet,
Speaker 1: and she offered me the chance to intern. At first
Speaker 1: I was doing it remotely, um, and then I moved
Speaker 1: to New York. I sold everything that wasn't nailed down
Speaker 1: in my apartment. I've been here. I've been here over
Speaker 1: just about ten years now. Worked my way up from
Speaker 1: an intern. I did a brief in Conde Nasty, I
Speaker 1: worked at Vogue Runway and Team Vogue, and then came
Speaker 1: back to Fashionista. I just really love our audience. I
Speaker 1: think we have such a fun readership. And your instagram
Speaker 1: is a full iconic gossip girl fashion and and you
Speaker 1: started that that was like on you. Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: ten year anniversary of the show happened in right, I
Speaker 1: am aware of that. Yeah, that's one thing I do remember. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. It's just funny because I've learned really
Speaker 1: a lot from you about the show and just doing
Speaker 1: this podcast. But there's just so much I like, well,
Speaker 1: I have to imagine working on it. It's like you
Speaker 1: have totally different memories of it it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's why this has been so fun for me
Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh my god, Like even this episode
Speaker 1: like there might be blood, I had never seen it,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm like so pumped to break it
Speaker 1: down with you, but go ahead. Uh. So, I had
Speaker 1: interviewed Eric for the ten year anniversary. I think that
Speaker 1: might have been the first time I even got in
Speaker 1: touch with there, because obviously I was a huge fan
Speaker 1: of the show and of the fashion of the show
Speaker 1: and any excuse to talk about that I'm into. And
Speaker 1: after I did that, I did I think I did
Speaker 1: a Twitter thread of my favorite Blair outfits because I'm
Speaker 1: a Blair girl. That did really well. People really liked it,
Speaker 1: and so I started posting on my Instagram for fun um.
Speaker 1: At first, I think it got very few likes. I
Speaker 1: would post I called them Waldorf Wednesdays. Now that was God,
Speaker 1: how long ago was that? Four or five years ago?
Speaker 1: Now that I've been doing that, it got to the
Speaker 1: point where it I think people started following me for
Speaker 1: that content, like like the Gossip Girl post, I do
Speaker 1: get more likes than photos of me, which is fine,
Speaker 1: like this is my personal Instagram, but yeah, and I
Speaker 1: started doing Serena outfit breakdowns during the pandemic, I didn't
Speaker 1: have anything going on, and people have been requesting it.
Speaker 1: People would leave comments on my older Wednesdays saying can
Speaker 1: you break down this Serena look or yeah, the pandemic
Speaker 1: gave me time to tax. Now I just do them
Speaker 1: pretty much every week. I mean sometimes I skip a
Speaker 1: week because I do have a job. Well, it's also
Speaker 1: just like you studied in a passion that you have
Speaker 1: for fashion and then let's just be honest, like Gossip
Speaker 1: Girl really killed it on every level with the fashion
Speaker 1: and Eric did a really good job all the all
Speaker 1: the characters, the way they rocked them and wore them
Speaker 1: and walked in them and lived in them. And being
Speaker 1: in New York and so close to you know, working
Speaker 1: with all these designers and stuff, I mean, what a
Speaker 1: great how fun you know what I mean? So I
Speaker 1: totally get how you would do that, Like coming from
Speaker 1: your world and your you know, your whole story, it
Speaker 1: makes sense for fun. They're fun to do. It's fun
Speaker 1: to research. They take a lot of time that you know,
Speaker 1: I have to research what they were wearing. I have
Speaker 1: to do photo research. And there was times they would
Speaker 1: tell me what I'm wearing. I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to say that. I'd have to like look it up,
Speaker 1: break the word and this I'm talking like, so to
Speaker 1: really break down a whole outfit, head to toe every
Speaker 1: week all the time. That's yeah, I'm sure, but they're
Speaker 1: fun and you get your teaching a lot of people,
Speaker 1: so we're happy about it. It's fun because I feel
Speaker 1: like the show has really found a new audience again
Speaker 1: during the pandemic at first when it was on Netflix,
Speaker 1: and now that it's on HBO with a streaming audience
Speaker 1: and a younger audience who didn't watch it the first
Speaker 1: time around, and so it's really fun to get to
Speaker 1: dive back into that fashion that I remember. I was
Speaker 1: so obsessed with college and young adulthood, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: get to break it down for a new audience. Absolutely. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of breaking down, let's let's get into this episode.
Speaker 1: So we're at season two, episode nine, There Might be Blood,
Speaker 1: and this is based on the PT Anderson There Will
Speaker 1: Be Blood two thousand seven, starring Daniel day Lewis. And
Speaker 1: this is just another fun fact which I feel like
Speaker 1: I did remember but probably didn't like really think about
Speaker 1: it till now as we're getting into this. But this
Speaker 1: episode aired the night before Obama's first election, which I
Speaker 1: always feel like anytime there's an election, like the night before,
Speaker 1: everyone's like waiting to hear what States are winning and
Speaker 1: all the things going on. So I find it like
Speaker 1: pretty interesting that I was on a show being aired
Speaker 1: the night before a pretty big moment for our country. Anyways, Okay,
Speaker 1: so getting into this episode, UM, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you. This is from a fan who actually designed
Speaker 1: Jenny's line. Was it a real label or costume department? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So those were all Eric? Eric Damon, did any of
Speaker 1: Jenny's designs? This was this was a question for you,
Speaker 1: So fine, funny, It's like we'll ask Tyler and I
Speaker 1: knew that Eric did that, but did it was all
Speaker 1: all the time. Anytime Jenny had a dressing, it was
Speaker 1: Jenny had a fashion line. So the person who did
Speaker 1: eleanor Waldorf designs was a real designer. It was Abigail
Speaker 1: Laurek who had a line, thought she served as the
Speaker 1: ghost designer, but anytime they were Jenny's, Um, it was
Speaker 1: Eric Damon who did those amazing Yeah they're so good,
Speaker 1: so so good. Um. Okay, so here's where we left off.
Speaker 1: Nate kissed Jenny, Chuck and Blair have decided that they
Speaker 1: needed to continue to play their game. Serena is interested
Speaker 1: in Aaron, one of Rufus artists, and Jenny has stormed
Speaker 1: out of Eleanor's with her dress after meeting new friends
Speaker 1: Agnus and Max. And now here's where we're going. Here's
Speaker 1: the log line for there might be blood. Serena discovers
Speaker 1: the secret that Aaron has been keeping from her and
Speaker 1: begins to question whether he is the guy she thought
Speaker 1: he was, Hoping it will help her chances to get
Speaker 1: into Yale. Lara naively agrees to babysit the fifteen year
Speaker 1: old daughter of a Yale donor, who turns out to
Speaker 1: be a little bit more of a handful. Jenny and
Speaker 1: Agnes plan a guerilla fashion show. And let's just get
Speaker 1: into this. What is a guerilla fashion show? Yeah? Wait,
Speaker 1: this is like the opening of fashion Frenzy happening in
Speaker 1: this episode. Can you just explain to us what that
Speaker 1: is because I don't really know if I even knew that. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: you know, typically with a fashion show, you'd have it
Speaker 1: all planned out, you'd have the venue picked out, you'd
Speaker 1: invite people. I mean, it's planned to the t, like
Speaker 1: it's planned for months on end fittings, everything, even if
Speaker 1: it's for the twelve minutes that it is with Johnny
Speaker 1: bou Jack and I talked about that, So there's so
Speaker 1: much that goes into it. But in this case, Jenny
Speaker 1: and Agnes have decided that they need financewers, so they're
Speaker 1: going to crash an Upper east Side benefit and hijack
Speaker 1: their sound equipment to throw this gorilla fashion show. I
Speaker 1: mean that's ballsy. Ok I love it too, but I'm like, yo, what,
Speaker 1: like you could go to jail. Yeah, Agnes is I
Speaker 1: think one of my favorite characters. Yeah, because she's just
Speaker 1: so chaos. Like the chaos that she brings is off
Speaker 1: the charts. It's next level. It's like so dramatic. If
Speaker 1: there's something, but she just is like whatever, like who cares?
Speaker 1: Like Okay, And I'm like, but you're like doing crazy ship,
Speaker 1: yes exactly. But is this like a thing where people
Speaker 1: doing this? Honestly? So, I've never been to like a
Speaker 1: guerrilla fashion show, Like, Okay, I'm sure that they have.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe they do happen, right, But where does
Speaker 1: the like term come from? Like was it made up
Speaker 1: in this show? As far as I know, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I've been to like d I y fashion shows, Like
Speaker 1: I've been to things that are a little more um
Speaker 1: that does einer putting on something themselves in a small space.
Speaker 1: They borrow from friends. But I've never been to an
Speaker 1: event where somebody just like hijacks a different event. I
Speaker 1: mean literally just takes it over. Yeah, it just takes over. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Dan's there and Jenny freaks out that he's going
Speaker 1: to go and say something. I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: do in this situation if you're the older sibling, and
Speaker 1: do you go and tell on her? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of considering what Dan gets up to.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little but critical of him sometimes.
Speaker 1: The way he treats Jenny is like trying to protect
Speaker 1: her from this world while he's also trying to be
Speaker 1: a part of it. I mean, it's really cool what
Speaker 1: she's doing. She's going for what she wants. She is
Speaker 1: she's really going to and she's very good at it.
Speaker 1: She's like very talented, and I think if they had
Speaker 1: been more supportive of her at home, that could have
Speaker 1: been a different outcome. Right, Like, Jenny kind of goes
Speaker 1: off the rails, But a lot of that is because
Speaker 1: she feels so frustrated that the people she loves aren't
Speaker 1: supporting her or not not holding her back, but not
Speaker 1: supporting to push her to do what she's good at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can see that. Yeah, And especially when they're friends
Speaker 1: with Vanessa, and Vanessa like your homeschool technically like you,
Speaker 1: you're able to kind of do your own thing right,
Speaker 1: And they can see a successful model in that, in
Speaker 1: someone that they're close with family wise, but they won't
Speaker 1: let Jenny home school herself to launch her own line
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then this next scene, like here is
Speaker 1: Blair trying to get into Yale, and I love the
Speaker 1: determination these what these kids have the determination for, like
Speaker 1: what Jenny is doing, Blair trying to get into Yale,
Speaker 1: Dan with the writing. I mean they really they go
Speaker 1: for it, and they're willing to knock people down, steal ship,
Speaker 1: leave home, quit school, kiss boyfriends. Like well, I mean
Speaker 1: people are like, I'm gonna do what I need to
Speaker 1: do to like get where I need to get. Their
Speaker 1: ruthless there, I mean, it's ruthless and so determined on
Speaker 1: a level that I'm like, okay, okay, kids. But here
Speaker 1: we are with Blair trying to get into Yale, and
Speaker 1: I feel like whenever she's like talking about it in
Speaker 1: the passion, she has for getting into that school. I
Speaker 1: really feel for her, and this is like, you know,
Speaker 1: a big moment when you're leaving high school and trying
Speaker 1: to figure out the rest of your life. I still
Speaker 1: think sometimes it's too young of an age for all
Speaker 1: of us to know and figure out. That. Being said,
Speaker 1: it is the next step of figuring out. Do I
Speaker 1: want to go to school and take classes and learn?
Speaker 1: Am I getting an internship? Am I gonna just work?
Speaker 1: Am I going to go into the arts? You really
Speaker 1: feel that this is like a dream that Blair has
Speaker 1: had her whole life. This is something she's really wanted,
Speaker 1: and you really feel like she's a fit for Yale,
Speaker 1: like I do when we have these scenes and they're
Speaker 1: all into Serena. I get it. But I'm also like,
Speaker 1: Blair's like a fit for you guys. To me, yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, Blair is someone
Speaker 1: that cares about academics, right, she cares about her perfect reputation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny, and she's so. Blair is not a flexible character.
Speaker 1: What Blair wants is what she's doing exactly and not.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm meaning. Like, That's why I feel like
Speaker 1: she's such a fit. And that's why when you keep
Speaker 1: having when we keep seeing these scenes where it's like
Speaker 1: they're so like enamored with Serena, I get that they are,
Speaker 1: and it's part of the you know, this whole battle
Speaker 1: and best friend situation with Serena and Blair. But I'm
Speaker 1: always like, wait, yes, Serena is like very charming and beautiful,
Speaker 1: but like Blair sitting right here, who's charming and beautiful
Speaker 1: in her own way and is really right up your alley,
Speaker 1: like yeah, just let her into your school exactly. But
Speaker 1: this whole thing when when when Elizabeth is like, well,
Speaker 1: my daughter, you know, I need to go get her
Speaker 1: some food, and then Serena offers Blair to babysit her,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, what is about to go down here?
Speaker 1: And then lo and behold Stella, who plays Emma is
Speaker 1: an old friend of mine. So when she walks in
Speaker 1: and I completely forgot she played her because it's been forever,
Speaker 1: and it's funny because she's plays so much younger and
Speaker 1: she's not that much at the time, wasn't that much
Speaker 1: younger than us, But this whole storyline was it was insane,
Speaker 1: like trying to lose your virginity before your friend. I
Speaker 1: don't remember that being a thing when I was in
Speaker 1: high school. I don't know if it became a thing later.
Speaker 1: I don't either, But these rich kids, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why in the end, when Blair kind of like talks
Speaker 1: to her and tells her that it's a special moment
Speaker 1: in your life and it shouldn't be something meaningful with
Speaker 1: someone you care about, it's no context. That was crazy
Speaker 1: and the name Muffy. I was like dying. The gossip
Speaker 1: Girl bla, I'm sure we'll get to this, but the
Speaker 1: gossip Girl blasts about it is so I can't believe
Speaker 1: they got away. I can't either. It's hilarious. I mean,
Speaker 1: you laugh out loud, but it was. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what? But this scene where Blair meets
Speaker 1: her is one of the funniest Blair scenes. I feel
Speaker 1: like Layton never really got enough credit for comedic acting
Speaker 1: on this. She comes up a lot in the podcast,
Speaker 1: like it does with everyone, because I think we're all
Speaker 1: aware of it because we played, you know, we were
Speaker 1: on it with her. But that's part of why Blair
Speaker 1: is so brilliant because of what she did, and it's
Speaker 1: it's like the underlining like you know, it's not your
Speaker 1: slapstick obviously because it's not written that way. But the
Speaker 1: way she Layton figured out how to play that was
Speaker 1: like beautiful, I mean, because it's it's just it's so
Speaker 1: funny to watch her react in real time to this,
Speaker 1: to this child coming out and being like I need
Speaker 1: to lose my virginity right now. The line that's like
Speaker 1: oh my god, stop your mouth from we haven't written
Speaker 1: right here because I wanted to remember Tyler I was
Speaker 1: like in stitches, yeah, and just her delivery of it,
Speaker 1: and like her facial feature, like the way that she's
Speaker 1: able to react without saying anything. It's so good and
Speaker 1: that sometimes is like harder to react, like to not
Speaker 1: have dialogue and get the emotion and to make the
Speaker 1: audience feel that way is sometimes so much harder than
Speaker 1: actually just saying something funny or delivering something. And she
Speaker 1: does that brilliantly. Like you said, so here, I've seen
Speaker 1: this like young fifteen year old walking in I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, what is Blair going to do? Where? What
Speaker 1: is she going to pull out of her bag now
Speaker 1: to like make sure this is like a safe situation.
Speaker 1: And she doesn't get in trouble. And but it was
Speaker 1: so awesome to see Stella who came on and played that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, I forgot she was in
Speaker 1: New York with us for a little bit and she
Speaker 1: was great too. She just brought it. She delivered, she delivered,
Speaker 1: she did. I have to say our casting did such
Speaker 1: a great job for everyone that came on, because everyone
Speaker 1: was just ready to throw down. And I did find
Speaker 1: that a lot of times. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: guest stars that came on that like studied at amazing
Speaker 1: acting schools, Like did I remember when one of the
Speaker 1: actors he said to me he was talking about He's like,
Speaker 1: I think it's so funny that none of us had
Speaker 1: finished any kind of college and these amazing guest stars
Speaker 1: would come on and we wouldn't be shocked at how
Speaker 1: good they were because of what they all study. It
Speaker 1: was just it was so so funny to me because
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're you're right, none of us actually like
Speaker 1: studied acting. I just think they did a great job
Speaker 1: with with all of our guest stars. Yeah, so let's
Speaker 1: get into Aaron and Serena. I mean, I think whenever
Speaker 1: there's like a hot artist who's like mysterious and like
Speaker 1: using you as your muse. Like I'm into it. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're hot, You're hot stuff. I like it, and like
Speaker 1: laser targeted for Serena. I feel like, who Serena has
Speaker 1: to be amused every other day of the week, right,
Speaker 1: somebody somewhere Aaron is. I think he embodies a very
Speaker 1: specific idea I have of like a two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight Williamsburg hipster. Like he's got the facial hair, he's
Speaker 1: always wearing a scarf, like some kind of ascented scarf situation.
Speaker 1: And he's really trying to woo her because he remembered
Speaker 1: that they had met at camp Sweets and Serena did
Speaker 1: it and they had gotten married with the liquor assurings.
Speaker 1: So he's really hitting this childhood nostalgia angle, this like
Speaker 1: romance angle. But he can't stop seeing other women. I know.
Speaker 1: But like at first, when I'm watching it, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't really feel it was going to go that way.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's an artist and he shoots girls in this,
Speaker 1: you know, I know that they were maybe trying to
Speaker 1: drop little Easter eggs for us to see that in
Speaker 1: the big picture, But I really didn't until he got
Speaker 1: there at the end and he was eating dinner with
Speaker 1: Danielle the other model. I was like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: like enough now, like just just even if that's what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do, like just step up and say what's up?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean exactly? Yeah, But at first,
Speaker 1: like him coming on being this artist and driving a
Speaker 1: motorcycle in the long hair, I'm just like, you're little,
Speaker 1: you're hot, yeah, like made in the lab for Srienavaner Woinson.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's worth it for her to like
Speaker 1: test the waters here to deal with all his his womanizing?
Speaker 1: Is that I don't know. I mean I think now
Speaker 1: I think it's too much, just because it's when she
Speaker 1: approaches him about it, he has sort of this arrogance
Speaker 1: about it of like why are you worried about this? Right?
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. It's like if that's your m
Speaker 1: and that's your thing, like do you but like don't
Speaker 1: string me along and not let me know like what's
Speaker 1: going on exactly. Just be upfront about it. Be because
Speaker 1: this isn't every time you meet someone. This isn't the normal.
Speaker 1: Like that's something I think you need to like let
Speaker 1: someone know, because not everyone's going to be down for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it's something that the Serena before the
Speaker 1: show started probably would have put up with. But this Serena,
Speaker 1: like new Serena, and she's dated Dan and she's she's
Speaker 1: got a sense of self worth and self value, isn't
Speaker 1: going to put up with being one of fifty girls, right,
Speaker 1: which she shouldn't because she's Serena. I mean, if she's yeah,
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to do that. But I just was like,
Speaker 1: you got to like let her know. You can't like
Speaker 1: string someone along when you're like okay and comfortable and
Speaker 1: that's like your vibe and it's just let's let somebody know.
Speaker 1: And then if you like Serena so much or she's
Speaker 1: worth it and she doesn't like your situation, then you
Speaker 1: compromise and you might not be able to do that.
Speaker 1: So that's a whole another episode. Maybe, Yeah, Aaron, Oh, Aaron,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rose. Okay, So Dan rats out Jenny now and
Speaker 1: when this is happening, I'm like, okay, So Vanessa tells,
Speaker 1: you know, it's telling Dan that she should just cover
Speaker 1: you know, which which is like kind of what you
Speaker 1: brought up earlier because Vanessa is this independent woman who's
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't have like a ton of money to
Speaker 1: just do whatever and work wherever, fly wherever, to meet
Speaker 1: with people to try to get what she wants and needs.
Speaker 1: So I like that she's like supportive of Jenny and
Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, guys, Rufus, Dan like let's give
Speaker 1: her a chance, like let's be here. So I like that.
Speaker 1: But when Nate's driving the van away, we have to
Speaker 1: remember here that Vanessa has no idea that there's any
Speaker 1: even flirtation with Nate and Jenny, And even at this
Speaker 1: point she's still like, oh, he's just like driving the van.
Speaker 1: Because then when Vanessa and Dan and Rufus are in
Speaker 1: the car and Dan had just seen the gossip Girl
Speaker 1: blast of Jenny and Nate kissing, Which how cute was
Speaker 1: it that it was the younger Serena from a few
Speaker 1: episodes I think season one, wasn't it? Yes, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: in Central Park they see her. She shows up. This
Speaker 1: girl shows up a lot in this series. It's like
Speaker 1: she's like a younger version of there's a second one,
Speaker 1: I mean, like a younger version of Serena and Blair
Speaker 1: that shows up a lot in the series. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just remember that because we talked about the scene where
Speaker 1: they're walking in Central Parks, Suring and Dan and then
Speaker 1: they meet the three little oh yeah, right after they
Speaker 1: come back from the Hampton's. Yeah, it's early in season two. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well here is see that's why I love having you here.
Speaker 1: So here's the younger, like you know, little blonde Serena
Speaker 1: that snaps the photo. This is a gossip girl blast.
Speaker 1: It's it's Nate and Jenny. Dan sees this. He shuts
Speaker 1: the computer before Rufus and Vanessa can see anything. And
Speaker 1: there was a moment and I didn't even remember this,
Speaker 1: and I filmed it. Vanessa like goes is looking at
Speaker 1: the computer as Dan and Rufus walk out, and I thought,
Speaker 1: I'm like, does she open too? And she didn't. She resisted.
Speaker 1: Good on you, Vanessa. That was like I really was like,
Speaker 1: open the computer, see it, don't like get played like
Speaker 1: for a fool here. But you know that's not the
Speaker 1: right thing to do, go on someone else's computer, So
Speaker 1: she doesn't. They get in the car and I actually
Speaker 1: remember filming in the backseat of the I guess we're
Speaker 1: in a cab. Going to find Jenny and I guess Nate,
Speaker 1: and you know, they're like whispering Dan and Vanessa about
Speaker 1: about Nate and she's like, you know, why is he
Speaker 1: not a good guy? And Dan doesn't really want to
Speaker 1: say anything, and it's just so funny. He's like whispering,
Speaker 1: and then Rufus is on the other side of Vanessa,
Speaker 1: like what's what's he saying? Yeah, But in those scenes
Speaker 1: and car scenes, when you film them, you're like being
Speaker 1: pulled and the camera so it's steady is in like
Speaker 1: another I don't want to say, like trailer truck, but
Speaker 1: kind of in front of the car and you're all moving,
Speaker 1: and then they have cars in front of you to
Speaker 1: make sure that like the path is clear so that
Speaker 1: you're not like stopping in the middle of the scene.
Speaker 1: And it's just always such an interesting thing because you
Speaker 1: also want to try to get this. You have to,
Speaker 1: you know, try to make sure you complete the dialogue
Speaker 1: and things sometimes at certain turns so that it matches
Speaker 1: when you do the coverage. So I'm gonna asking you
Speaker 1: not get car sick. Riding in a back seat like
Speaker 1: that for so long, I feel like, I know, and
Speaker 1: you're also going much much slower than that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you Yeah, it was a fun scene to shoot
Speaker 1: because to me, the funny part of like Rufus not
Speaker 1: hearing Dan when he's just to the other side of you.
Speaker 1: That's another funny scene because I feel like Matthew does
Speaker 1: a really good job delivering this very frantic like begging
Speaker 1: the cab driver to go faster, and at one point
Speaker 1: he tries to bribe him and dance like that's a one,
Speaker 1: like like dad, that's not going to help, that's not enough.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's too funny, good old Rufus. Hey.
Speaker 1: So they get there and Nate Jenny is like challenging
Speaker 1: Nate to like stay if he cares, what did you
Speaker 1: think was going to happen? Nate is such a good guy.
Speaker 1: He really I think he doesn't know he's get it right.
Speaker 1: The way that he's kind of trying to balance this
Speaker 1: Jenny Vanessa situation is obviously not great, but he's such
Speaker 1: a good guy, and he's so loyal other than cheating
Speaker 1: on Blair, but he's loyal to the people he cares about, Like,
Speaker 1: I love that. In one of the later seasons, it's
Speaker 1: revealed that Nate is the only one who never sent
Speaker 1: a tip to Gossip Girl. Girl, I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nate is like, this is just who need it, And
Speaker 1: so of course he's going to stay because Jenny is
Speaker 1: so freaked out and she needs somebody who's on her side,
Speaker 1: and Nate's on her side, you know, so he's not
Speaker 1: gonna leave her. Yeah, it's just so like It's also
Speaker 1: like in a few moments when Dan walks in and
Speaker 1: he's looking for Nate, Nate, you know, he's like, I'll
Speaker 1: find I'm gonna look for Nate. Vanessa like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: look for Jenny, and Lily comes up to Rufus and
Speaker 1: as he's like walking fast, Dan down the hallway of
Speaker 1: this like extremely like very sophisticated Upper East Side party gala,
Speaker 1: and Nate walks around the corner like so what's up
Speaker 1: Dan Like no, like, hey, he's like fixing the button
Speaker 1: on his suit. Nothing has happened, like he didn't get
Speaker 1: busted by Gossip Girl. Yeah, and he's like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean this is my you know, is Nate like
Speaker 1: thinking this is never gonna ever gonna get back to Dan.
Speaker 1: It's a one time thing maybe, but like you're like
Speaker 1: playing with fire if you don't want Dan to find out. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And Nate's not the best at thinking far ahead. Like
Speaker 1: I don't think Nate ever considers consequences or anything past
Speaker 1: kind of the moment he's in. I think it's why
Speaker 1: he's such a bad seamer too. Like Nate, Nate just
Speaker 1: kind of exists and like does what feels right to
Speaker 1: him in the moment, you know, Like he's not planning ahead,
Speaker 1: which is also maybe why he is such a good guy,
Speaker 1: because Blair and Chuck and everyone's planning so much ahead
Speaker 1: and who they'll knock down and do whatever to get
Speaker 1: what they want. Nate's not doing that. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: for Nate, it's like, Okay, I have feelings for Jenny,
Speaker 1: and I like Jenny, and this is a weird situation
Speaker 1: because I'm staying with the Humphries. They've taken me in
Speaker 1: in a weird time in my life, and like now
Speaker 1: I'm friends with Dan. But I don't think he got
Speaker 1: any further than that. Like, I don't think it's like
Speaker 1: a thought process for him of like, Okay, well how
Speaker 1: am I going to tell Dan? I think it's like, well,
Speaker 1: let's figure out what's happening. With Jenny first, Yeah, in
Speaker 1: the moment, what you know what, sometimes it's right to
Speaker 1: be in the moment. But I don't know, Like when
Speaker 1: he walked around the corner, was like what's up? And
Speaker 1: Dan's like furious. I'm like, oh, I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: get hit. I couldn't remember him or not? Do you
Speaker 1: did you feel like Nate and Jenny are going to?
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's just a time where Nate's
Speaker 1: going through a lot. He's living there, He's seeing this
Speaker 1: like spirit of Jenny that's like a go getters and
Speaker 1: Jenny really means well too, you know she I feel
Speaker 1: like even in the moments, like she's caught between a
Speaker 1: rock and a hard place and everything that's going on
Speaker 1: with Agnes and leaving the Eleanor and doing that, like
Speaker 1: because I think there's a part of her that's like
Speaker 1: scared of what she is all trying to do and
Speaker 1: where she's trying to get. So she's like kind of
Speaker 1: knocking people over, even though that's not really like her intention,
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: she really wanted to leave Eleanor's. But that's also when
Speaker 1: you're that age and you have this much going on
Speaker 1: and you don't really know the consequences because you don't
Speaker 1: think a head like that at that age. You just don't.
Speaker 1: We just don't know that. That's why it's going to be.
Speaker 1: She'll Jenny'll learn from this forever. You know, she'll one
Speaker 1: day tell her kids if she has kids, you know,
Speaker 1: like like what Rufus is doing. But I think it's
Speaker 1: like great that she's going after what she wants, but
Speaker 1: there is a lot going on that it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: like Amanda last year in her episode was like like
Speaker 1: don't burn every bridge, Like let's keep one bridge up,
Speaker 1: keep one of these going. And I think Nate is
Speaker 1: such a good character. I mean, obviously Jenny has always
Speaker 1: had a crush on Nate that kind of of course
Speaker 1: he's the guy at school. But I also think Nate
Speaker 1: represents the best parts I think of this world the
Speaker 1: Upper East like quote unquote world the Upper East Side,
Speaker 1: and that he is just genuinely a nice guy and
Speaker 1: he means well and he wants to treat people well.
Speaker 1: And so I think that he's kind of a lifeline
Speaker 1: of like there's a way to do this that's kind
Speaker 1: to other people that I think it's it's good that
Speaker 1: she's connected with Nate in this moment, I agree, And
Speaker 1: I feel like when when they get here and he
Speaker 1: and Dancys Nate and Vanessa is looking for Jenny and
Speaker 1: Lillian Rufus run into each other and Bart's there, there's
Speaker 1: a moment where I'm like this girl in Agnes, like
Speaker 1: the fact that they're just going to go and do
Speaker 1: this fashion show in this situation, because now you're seeing
Speaker 1: the whole party, and I'm like, yell, there's like this
Speaker 1: is like intense and like, I give him credit, but
Speaker 1: I'm also like i'd be terrified, you know what I mean? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And then meanwhile, as that's all going on there, Blair
Speaker 1: takes Emma to Serena's and Serena tells her she can
Speaker 1: wear one of her dresses, and obviously Blairs like five
Speaker 1: steps ahead of everyone at this point. And then it's
Speaker 1: something always drops where it's like how did this happen
Speaker 1: for Blair? Like they get to they find out that
Speaker 1: the credit card was ran at One Oak, So they
Speaker 1: get to One Oak, and like when Chuck finds out
Speaker 1: who's sitting where in the whole club, they find that
Speaker 1: Elizabeth is the one at the club having an affair
Speaker 1: basically on the donor the whole situation that Blair's trying
Speaker 1: to like navigate and use to get into Gale. She
Speaker 1: sees this, gets a photo of it that was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't remember reading that in the scriptears back. That
Speaker 1: was like a big like yeah, I mean you imagine
Speaker 1: walking into one oak and your mom being there. I'd
Speaker 1: be like what it would be. I can't imagine my
Speaker 1: mom and anything. I may love my mom, but I
Speaker 1: can't imaginely my mom in any club. I don't know
Speaker 1: how she doesn't see her mom, but her mom is
Speaker 1: in this back corner with this guy who is not
Speaker 1: her dad, and Blair looks like a kid on Christmas, right,
Speaker 1: because she's like, this is it. This is my black
Speaker 1: mail ticket, Like this is how I'm going to get
Speaker 1: this get into Yells by blackmailing. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: Serena is like, no, you can't blackmail. You have to
Speaker 1: do this the right way. But yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: guess if you're going to go have an affair at
Speaker 1: the least expected place, if you're that woman is one
Speaker 1: of who knows where else are you going to go?
Speaker 1: I know? Right, the lobby of the Carlisle, I don't,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I think there was like a
Speaker 1: lot of you know parallels to like how Elizabeth is
Speaker 1: with Emma to how Blair is with her mom, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: And I think like my heart like really felt for Blair,
Speaker 1: and I like teared up a little bit also, probably
Speaker 1: because my relationship with my mom is like beautiful and wonderful,
Speaker 1: and I like could never imagine feeling that way when
Speaker 1: she's like, just pay attention to your daughter, like my
Speaker 1: mom almost paid too much attention to it, like exact,
Speaker 1: So I couldn't imagine that, like, you know, feeling that way.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was like a really beautiful moment
Speaker 1: when Blair went to Emma and was giving her this
Speaker 1: like heartfelt speech about yeah about that, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was like really beautiful. I think she definitely sees
Speaker 1: a part of herself in Emma for sure, right like
Speaker 1: this this child who is trying to be more adult
Speaker 1: than she is and who wants to act out and
Speaker 1: lose her virginity before her friend Muffy, which is Muffy
Speaker 1: beside the point ridiculous because again, yeah, like Blair is
Speaker 1: so single minded about things that she wants and Yale
Speaker 1: is one of those things, and so at first she
Speaker 1: just sees Emma as this person who can get her that.
Speaker 1: And I think this interaction where she sees how her
Speaker 1: mom treats her, she starts to see her as she
Speaker 1: sees a lot of herself in this. Yeah. Yeah, Also
Speaker 1: and this whole storyline when when Chuck takes Emma into
Speaker 1: the limo, I was like freaking, I'm like, you can't
Speaker 1: go here, you can't do this, this will mess up everything.
Speaker 1: But when he walks back in and knows exactly where
Speaker 1: he was and we jumped and one to one before that,
Speaker 1: but in the moment of her being in the limo,
Speaker 1: and then like my heart for Blair and Chuck in
Speaker 1: the moment where you know, he says that actually the
Speaker 1: back of the limo is like a special sacred Okay,
Speaker 1: how beautiful are you? Till yeah, because I also didn't.
Speaker 1: I was like thinking, I thought something was going to
Speaker 1: go down for sure, because that's just in gossip or fashion.
Speaker 1: But they get back, they get to one Oak Love
Speaker 1: that Scott Sarciana makes like an appearance one of the owners,
Speaker 1: and then we get back to the fashion show that's
Speaker 1: honoring Lillian Bart go figure. Of course we knew, we
Speaker 1: talked about that earlier, but like when you get there
Speaker 1: and you really see everything that's going down and all that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, of course it's Lillian Bart's, but um, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's like a smash hit and Vanessa
Speaker 1: catches Jenny kissing Nate, which I felt like Vanessa's had
Speaker 1: that moment before, like in the first episode that Vanessa
Speaker 1: comes back, that kind of happens with Dan and Serena
Speaker 1: and you know, they separate and she's there. Vanessa cannot
Speaker 1: catch a break. Can't catch a break girl. And the
Speaker 1: sad thing too, was like when she was watching the
Speaker 1: whole fashion show go down, she was genuinely happy for Jenny,
Speaker 1: Like she's like looking at the whole room, taking it
Speaker 1: in and loving it and just pumped for Jenny. And
Speaker 1: then she sees Jenny like kiss kiss Nate, and then
Speaker 1: I mean, so many things happened from there, like it
Speaker 1: moves so fast. Well, yeah, because I also think that
Speaker 1: Nate is like realizing like what's all going on, Like
Speaker 1: Dan's upset, Vanessa is upset, you know, oh man, and
Speaker 1: and also the fashion show and how the whole thing
Speaker 1: went down. I thought was really cool outside of all
Speaker 1: the drama with everyone going on, I'm like, wow, they
Speaker 1: really pulled off like a great moment. Agnes bribes the
Speaker 1: guy doing the a V for the event to like
Speaker 1: hijack that it was funny. I rewatched the episode last
Speaker 1: night and my fiance I was like, Oh, that poor
Speaker 1: guy didn't get a line. Which one is the a
Speaker 1: V guy? He's like. Agnes goes backstage and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have this is my new friend and he's going
Speaker 1: to let us hijack this thing. But he's really funny.
Speaker 1: He again delivers those really funny facial reactions to what
Speaker 1: Agnes is saying. And yeah, they play this song, this
Speaker 1: like punk rock song at this event, and they turn
Speaker 1: all the lights out and they take over the tables
Speaker 1: and you can see that Agnes is kind of the
Speaker 1: wild one because she starts breaking glasses on the table.
Speaker 1: But the design looks so cool like that, like, that's
Speaker 1: exactly how those designs should be presented as in this
Speaker 1: kind of punk rock fashion. Yeah. Absolutely, As it was
Speaker 1: just the lights everything, I'm like, how did these two
Speaker 1: pull this off? Let's get back to this real quick,
Speaker 1: because we forgot to mention this, you brought it up earlier,
Speaker 1: but the Chuck got a gossip Girl post, like a
Speaker 1: fake blast, and he kind of like whispers that to Blair,
Speaker 1: like have her check gossip Girl, But like who does
Speaker 1: he know? They're like what Chuck? What I mean? You
Speaker 1: don't put anything past Chuck. I also feel like I'm
Speaker 1: every episode I'm like, are you like a private investigator yourself?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like he likes a p I. It's
Speaker 1: funny to me to rewatch the show knowing that Dan
Speaker 1: is ultimately Gossip Girl this whole time, because it's like
Speaker 1: when didn't Dan have time, first of all, to do
Speaker 1: any of this in the meddle of what he's doing. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you do have to wonder what how Chuck managed
Speaker 1: to get it, because it's like what is it? It's
Speaker 1: like Muffy's muff got stuffed and like how did you
Speaker 1: get this on TV? Like also just the fact that
Speaker 1: her name was Muffy like Muffy? I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a great setup for the line. Again, I think
Speaker 1: it helps show that Chuck too has this softer side,
Speaker 1: because for sure he doesn't want this girl going home
Speaker 1: with some random like Russian guy back to his hotel
Speaker 1: just to lose her virginity, like no, And there's that,
Speaker 1: and then there's also the other layer of like him
Speaker 1: showing Blair like see, you couldn't do this without me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they need each other. They make such a good scheming
Speaker 1: team they do. It's really funny. They find the guy
Speaker 1: naked in his hotel room and Chuck like laughs like
Speaker 1: you want some advice, and Flair has a funny line
Speaker 1: do like I'm scarred for life or something. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's a really it's one of the funnier episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like very everyone does a great job. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: really do. At this point after the show, they get
Speaker 1: that and now the police are air this gala and
Speaker 1: Dan is finding out that, like Jenny is going to
Speaker 1: be in the New York Times, and he's like the
Speaker 1: writer of the family and he's trying to you know,
Speaker 1: be seen and be heard in the writing world. And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, his sister who's like breaking down
Speaker 1: smashing ship going into this gala, is like, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden going to be in the New York Times.
Speaker 1: And you know, Dan also wants to get into these
Speaker 1: prestigious writing programs and he was interning for Noah Shapiro
Speaker 1: who wanted him to write that story about Chuck, and
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it. He was like, I can't do this.
Speaker 1: Which that's where I always like, like, I always say
Speaker 1: Dan always even if he gets caught in, you know,
Speaker 1: saying something or doing something or having Vanessa's back and
Speaker 1: doing this to Blair, I feel like that happens from
Speaker 1: a lot, but he'll always come forward in the end
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, this is it, and I like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I can get down with that. But
Speaker 1: I think it's at least in my mind, it's kind
Speaker 1: of one of the first times that we start to
Speaker 1: see this tension because again, obviously Dan is Gossip Girl
Speaker 1: at this point, but it's this tension of Dan doing
Speaker 1: these things because he wants to be a part of
Speaker 1: this world and then realizing getting into this world and
Speaker 1: getting involved with these people makes it hard to keep
Speaker 1: doing the things that would make him successful without them, right.
Speaker 1: I think we see this a lot more in later
Speaker 1: seasons when his book gets published, but this is the
Speaker 1: first opportunity where he realizes that his success as a
Speaker 1: writer might come at a personal cost of betraying these people.
Speaker 1: Who he's built relationships with. I mean it's not only
Speaker 1: he has a great relationship with Chuck, but you know,
Speaker 1: his world and his friends and everything like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I find hard with that is like any time
Speaker 1: there's been moments with him and Chuck, you really see
Speaker 1: the vulnerability in Chuck, you know, like this, like where
Speaker 1: his heart's kind of broken because of the relationship with
Speaker 1: his dad. And I feel like, obviously if we're seeing
Speaker 1: that as an audience, stands seeing that. So that's why
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's times he's pulled away from that. So,
Speaker 1: but he's finding that out that Jenny's phone is blowing
Speaker 1: up with all these people, Rufus is upset. Lily's like
Speaker 1: supporting Jenny. They're not going to press charges. When she
Speaker 1: says that, I'm like, oh my god, Rude is going
Speaker 1: to lose his mind. He said, he's like already upset.
Speaker 1: Now where she walks up and says, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was incredible, and I know she's like, I'm actually
Speaker 1: gonna go like sees Rufus face and it's like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna wait over here. It's so good, so good. She's
Speaker 1: phenomenal too. But um in this moment. There's just so
Speaker 1: many things going through my mind as a parent, as
Speaker 1: like a high school girl, as possibly getting arrested. Like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on for Jenny at this point.
Speaker 1: Everything that she's taking a risk for and doing this
Speaker 1: is like, God, girl, you have to have like anxiety
Speaker 1: through the roof. M my god, can you imagine a
Speaker 1: fifteen too? I don't know, That's what I'm saying. To
Speaker 1: handle that. And her dad tries to get her arrested.
Speaker 1: I know, she's like, yeah, you can't, We'll call your parents.
Speaker 1: He's like that is my my parent. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: Lily comes in to save the day. Well, we're not
Speaker 1: going to press charges. Yeah, there's an episode later in
Speaker 1: this season where we see that Lily will have Serena
Speaker 1: arrested for something to stop Serena. It's like they get
Speaker 1: when it comes to other people's kids, they don't get
Speaker 1: it when it comes to their own kids. Right. Interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm also can't wait to get to that because I
Speaker 1: can't remember what that is right now. And then we
Speaker 1: have Nate is leaving town the next morning. These people
Speaker 1: love to leave town. Yeah, I'm like, where are you going? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Chuck's there and says, you know
Speaker 1: you're not leaving, and Nate declines that and he's going
Speaker 1: to go stay with his mom. But I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on there too, Like there's Nate
Speaker 1: and Jenny and Vanessa. Now Dan's upset with him, Like
Speaker 1: even the whole thing with Dan getting the call from
Speaker 1: Jordan's and Nate's like, who's Jordan's And he's like, you
Speaker 1: hooked up with their pretended to be me if you
Speaker 1: don't remember, Oh yeah, that's right. Like again, Nate just
Speaker 1: being in the moment. In the moment he mails a
Speaker 1: letter to Jenny, which I thought was so cute it
Speaker 1: made me want to like have a pen pal again,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Maybe Nate does need to
Speaker 1: leave town, take a moment, take a beat, see what's up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that he's been through a lot.
Speaker 1: He's been through a lot, yeah, in terms of like
Speaker 1: sleeping with an older woman for money, having his family
Speaker 1: kind of fall apart, And again, I think people in
Speaker 1: that world tend to take Nate a little bit for granted.
Speaker 1: I think we've seen it before season one, where because
Speaker 1: he's so loyal and he's so laid back Chuck even
Speaker 1: you see at the end of the episode being like,
Speaker 1: if you had told me it was this bad, I
Speaker 1: would have helped you. And it's like, well, maybe you
Speaker 1: need to be a more proactive friend to know when
Speaker 1: something's up. Yeah, maybe is not always gonna be this chill,
Speaker 1: laid back guy. So yeah, I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: think going to his mom's for a little bit, it's
Speaker 1: probably a good idea to kind of hit a reset. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just reset. Can take a deep breath. By the way,
Speaker 1: they're Hampton's house or wherever he's going. I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: just fine. It's a great house. Yeah, did the Hampton house?
Speaker 1: Get take it? I don't even know where his mom
Speaker 1: is right now. I don't remember where she is either.
Speaker 1: I think she stays in the Hampton's. I think that that, well,
Speaker 1: that's a really nice house. So you right, you're gonna
Speaker 1: make you're fine. You're not really struggling. I have like
Speaker 1: a nice massage and like some probably cocktailed by the
Speaker 1: pool exactly. Back at the Vanderwoods, and Blair is depressed
Speaker 1: about her shot at Yale, but the Dean calls and
Speaker 1: says that Emma the one person she wanted to have
Speaker 1: dinner with living or Dead was Blair Waldorf, which I loved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's such a cute call back to that previous episode
Speaker 1: where New Haven Can Wait. I like liked that question
Speaker 1: in general. I'm like, that's a great question. I asked
Speaker 1: it at dinners now or like, yeah, wait, so who
Speaker 1: would you have dinner with? I think this is not
Speaker 1: gonna sound wild, but Jesus, yeah, I would like I
Speaker 1: have lots of questions. I mean, that's a good answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, there's like you go, I went
Speaker 1: through like different amazing musicians. I thought like sitting down
Speaker 1: with you know, Frank Sinatra, I mean Janice Joplin. Then
Speaker 1: I thought like, um, in a whole different direction, like
Speaker 1: like a murderer, like to think like where was your brain?
Speaker 1: Like I went all over the map, which is not
Speaker 1: fair to answer it that way with like ten different things,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I would like to sit down with
Speaker 1: Jesus and see what was really going on and what
Speaker 1: was up and what Yeah, what about you? And I
Speaker 1: see now I need to rethink my answer because my
Speaker 1: answer was Harry Styles. That's great. That was my first
Speaker 1: instinct was Harry Style. That's a great answer. Too. That's
Speaker 1: my other big interests other than Gossip Girl. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: he's wonderful. What a little cute to him too, and
Speaker 1: he's a Packer fan. So I'm like, you go, Harry
Speaker 1: exactly like him. But um, I like that that came
Speaker 1: full circle back around and it ended up being there
Speaker 1: because that whole situation with that question and what she
Speaker 1: threw in for Serena and what all happened was like
Speaker 1: a lot of jaw dropping moments. So I thought that
Speaker 1: was like a nice little full circle. And then we're
Speaker 1: coming to the end of the episode and Jenny's gone.
Speaker 1: Jenny's you know, And that is like when Dan says,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe take a look in her room.
Speaker 1: As a parent, you know, she's always so little. Everything
Speaker 1: she needs us for everything, so eating, walking, sleeping, all
Speaker 1: the things, playing, laughing, crying, whatever. It is like she's at.
Speaker 1: She can't do anything on her own. So I can't
Speaker 1: imagine at a time where she can walk out and leave,
Speaker 1: Like as a parent, what your heart goes through, what
Speaker 1: your mind goes through of their safety, of what you
Speaker 1: can do to get them back, what you can do
Speaker 1: to not like such a mix of emotion that I
Speaker 1: felt for Rufus in that moment and for Jenny because
Speaker 1: it's like you feel that, I don't know, not supported
Speaker 1: or pushed away or all these things that you're going
Speaker 1: to leave home and go like where are you going?
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? Well? Exactly? I mean that's
Speaker 1: why I see people with I live in Brooklyn, and
Speaker 1: I see people with kids here, and the idea of
Speaker 1: having a teenager here would be so stressful to me
Speaker 1: because you can leave your house and be anywhere, you
Speaker 1: can leave your house, and being a different state, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know because they just got on a train and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it was frightening, and I was like heartbroken
Speaker 1: for him, heartbroken for her, like also for Dan, like
Speaker 1: that's his sister, you know what I mean, And like
Speaker 1: it was like so much in Dan and Rufus sitting there.
Speaker 1: Rufus says this to dam which is like an amazing quote.
Speaker 1: I think I wish I could get the two of
Speaker 1: you to understand that success people praising you, it goes
Speaker 1: away and when that day comes, if you don't like
Speaker 1: who you are, you're done. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: like great advice. And then the song No New Tale
Speaker 1: to Tell the Love and Rocket, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys are like really putting me on an emotional
Speaker 1: roller coaster was like generally and so good with the
Speaker 1: music cues too. It's but Jenny leaving and Blair talking
Speaker 1: about her mom in this episode and Rufus wanting to
Speaker 1: like gonna just telling on Jenny yep it was her
Speaker 1: arrestor just there were so many like moments for me
Speaker 1: where I was like like choking up, like you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I always really appreciate about
Speaker 1: this show was the way that it portrays that like
Speaker 1: parents or people who don't know what they're doing either,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Yes, Like your parents
Speaker 1: are people who are capable of making mistakes, and those
Speaker 1: mistakes impact their kids obviously, but that stuff is also reparable, right,
Speaker 1: Like I always really liked that dynamic between the adults
Speaker 1: and the kids, yeah, because everyone is just still figuring
Speaker 1: it out. It's not like all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: have a baby and it's like I have all the
Speaker 1: answers to everything, and then when you're getting thrown new things,
Speaker 1: as you know, your kids get older and want to
Speaker 1: try different things or go down this career or move
Speaker 1: here or date this person, Like there's no book for that.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that can tell a parent how to do
Speaker 1: it right or and you don't know because you just
Speaker 1: want your kids to be happy. But they're gonna go
Speaker 1: through heartbreak, they're gonna go through failing, they're gonna go
Speaker 1: through those things. So it's I think you're totally like
Speaker 1: right on the nose with that. It's like really great
Speaker 1: that they show that it's not just like a walk
Speaker 1: down like this path with roses and butterflies and everything's great,
Speaker 1: because that's just not how life is now. Mind you,
Speaker 1: there might be some like sugarcoated and like cherries and
Speaker 1: on the Upper east Side because of like the glyphs.
Speaker 1: I am the money, but like when push comes to
Speaker 1: cheve and you take that all away, they're still like
Speaker 1: struggle and problems and things that we need to like
Speaker 1: work through and communicate to like figure it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and money doesn't solve those problems either. Money does not,
Speaker 1: And that's I think a big thing in all of this. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: so here's the Gossip Girl quote closing quote. S and
Speaker 1: B are headed for Yale, Nate's headed out of town,
Speaker 1: and Dan's headed for trouble. As for little sister Jenny,
Speaker 1: she's nowhere to be seen XO x O. Gossip Girl,
Speaker 1: so dramatic. Where's Jenny wandering off into the Brooklyn sunset
Speaker 1: with her son and her fashion line, her little Eultphit
Speaker 1: was cute too going away. I'm like, you look cute,
Speaker 1: but I don't know where you're going girl, and you're
Speaker 1: scaring me. Okay, so yeah, tell us what you got
Speaker 1: going on. Give us your social so people can check out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so all my work stuff, I'm covering the fashion industry
Speaker 1: at Fashion needsa dot com so you can find me there.
Speaker 1: And then on social media, I am at Eiffel Tyler,
Speaker 1: like the Eiffel Tower, but with Tyler, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter,
Speaker 1: it's all Effel Tyler. Well, it was great having you back.
Speaker 1: You're like so good to do these with because you
Speaker 1: know the show inside and out. I like your view
Speaker 1: on it as just as Tyler. And then like obviously
Speaker 1: you knowing the fashion world is just a whole another
Speaker 1: like plus for me when we talk and chat. So
Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying this coming on as much as
Speaker 1: I because I'm probably gonna ask you a couple early.
Speaker 1: Like I say this all the time, but any excuse
Speaker 1: to talk about Gossip Girl because instead of knowing how
Speaker 1: to do my own taxes or whatever, I remember the
Speaker 1: sea plot lines of Gossip Girl, So anytime I can
Speaker 1: put that knowledge to youth. Yea, it was so great
Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Tyler. You can come back anytime. Seriously,
Speaker 1: everyone go check out Tyler's instagram at Eiffel Tyler. She
Speaker 1: posts the best Gossip Girl style throwbacks and Vanessa brings it.
Speaker 1: Take a look. Okay, so make sure you subscribe to
Speaker 1: the show wherever you get your podcast, because next week
Speaker 1: we're back with a rewatch of season two episode ten,
Speaker 1: bomb Fire the Bandit. You're not gonna want to miss
Speaker 1: this guest. She rocks the headband and sits on the
Speaker 1: steps of the Met for lunch. The meanest of the minions,
Speaker 1: my girl Amanda seton. I can't wait to see you there.
Speaker 1: X O x O x O XO is produced by
Speaker 1: Propagate Content and Me Jessica's Or. Our show is executive
Speaker 1: produced by Lingley. Our producers are Diego Tapia, Kristin Vermilia,
Speaker 1: Emily Carr, and Hannah Harris. Original music by Moxie and Lune,
Speaker 1: and the episode was mixed by Sethel Landscape