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Speaker 1: FBHP dot com. I'm Amy Wells and we have all
Speaker 1: returned to Ascension Saint Thomas Sports Park here in Nashville.
Speaker 1: Brian is here, Coach Mack of course is here, and
Speaker 1: Ramone Foster. We're all recovering from the week that was
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis at the twenty twenty four Scouting Combine, and
Speaker 1: so I figured we had to all get together and
Speaker 1: kind of just debrief, really review what has happened, and
Speaker 1: then we can move forward with the pre draft process.
Speaker 1: And I guess we should start with Ramone, who was
Speaker 1: at his first, second but first scouting combine as a observer,
Speaker 1: as an analyst as opposed to a participant. What did
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoyed it. You got an opportunity to see
Speaker 2: the NFL work. This wasn't like a bunch of outsiders
Speaker 2: of people trying to sell you product. This was about
Speaker 2: the game. Well there was something that can enhance the
Speaker 2: players as far as that type of product placement or
Speaker 2: just simply watching agents be at dinner with their players.
Speaker 2: Watching coaches walk around downtown Indianapolis and just be guys
Speaker 2: and just seeing the different circles and groups and the
Speaker 2: players start to come in.
Speaker 3: You realize that, okay, we're closer, We're one step closer.
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed being on that side of it, of course,
Speaker 2: where some real reporting was going on.
Speaker 3: It wasn't just rumors and that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: And if you know the game too, as far as
Speaker 2: it goes, and Coach Mack, we've talked about this before.
Speaker 2: That's also where the pre free agency sets itself up.
Speaker 2: You understand that's the case, and just how serious it
Speaker 2: is to see different gms of different teams walk through
Speaker 2: the hotels and on the streets and just everybody has
Speaker 2: their room and everybody has their section of Indianapolis that
Speaker 2: they're working through. But I was also more impressed too
Speaker 2: with watching what you know, analyst's eyes and not player's eyes,
Speaker 2: been shocked by it how interconnected Indianapolis is. You have
Speaker 2: the breeze ways that you don't have to walk outside,
Speaker 2: or the hospitals and the hotels and the convention centers
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It's a unique place.
Speaker 2: And on this side of I enjoyed seeing it without
Speaker 2: a whole lot of pressure and anxiety on me too.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to add Ramon to the keep the
Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis Forever Club. We have jackets. I'll get
Speaker 1: you one, thank you, thank.
Speaker 4: You, Look at this.
Speaker 3: You get gifts after the fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm here for.
Speaker 4: Rhtt.
Speaker 1: You've been to the Combine with us a bunch of times.
Speaker 1: We had the opportunity to talk to a lot of
Speaker 1: different guests here on the OTP. What conversation stuck out
Speaker 1: to you as being exceptionally interesting.
Speaker 4: I think I'm always intrigued by what Daniel Jeremiah is
Speaker 4: watching because he's done it for a living. He's been
Speaker 4: a scout and has been around for a long time
Speaker 4: in that regard, played college football, and so I'm always
Speaker 4: interested to hear not only what his top fifty is
Speaker 4: as he gets closer in this process, but positionally what
Speaker 4: he's watching for numbers as it pertains to that first
Speaker 4: round of the draft, all those kinds of things. Always
Speaker 4: interested in what he has to say. Charles Davis always
Speaker 4: and then I enjoyed our conversation with Cynthia Freeland too,
Speaker 4: is so good with the numbers. She just brings it
Speaker 4: with the numbers.
Speaker 1: Mac. You've been to every combine that has ever taken
Speaker 1: place in the.
Speaker 5: History of Indianapolis and Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: What made twenty twenty four a little unique from past combines?
Speaker 5: Well, it's a television show now, I mean it really is.
Speaker 5: And I will say this and again, I'm as old
Speaker 5: school as it gets with a combine because I've been
Speaker 5: there from the start. I was there from when nobody
Speaker 5: could get in except players and coaches. That was it.
Speaker 5: I thought that the fans being there added a whole
Speaker 5: lot to it. I thought the fans were great. There
Speaker 5: were sixteen thousand fans in the stand Saturday morning. Wow,
Speaker 5: I mean it was you could feel the juice and
Speaker 5: the energy in there. You could tell that the players
Speaker 5: did too, and the coaches. I sit with different position
Speaker 5: group coaches the whole time, or different people come up
Speaker 5: and sit with me, and everybody commented, you know what,
Speaker 5: because you know, the first thought was they're going to
Speaker 5: have people there, how's that going to be? It was great.
Speaker 5: The fans being there were outstanding. And then you know,
Speaker 5: to be there on a historic run with the fans
Speaker 5: just they lost it but it they went crazy and
Speaker 5: it added. It added to the event. Even the last
Speaker 5: day Sunday when the offensive lavemen were working out, there
Speaker 5: were probably three thousand fans there and they applauded every
Speaker 5: one of them as they ran and they did so.
Speaker 5: I enjoyed the fans being there, I really did. This time.
Speaker 5: I thought it was the best representation of the fans
Speaker 5: since they started allowing fans to come.
Speaker 1: It seemed to me as we were just kind of
Speaker 1: milling about. One of the conversations that were taking place
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis a lot was that teams are kind of
Speaker 1: changing their approach to the Combine week. Not that they
Speaker 1: aren't coming or that they're not still ingesting the information
Speaker 1: that you need to get, but the approach is a
Speaker 1: little bit different. Is that something that you observed while
Speaker 1: you were there because you stayed there even longer than
Speaker 1: the Titans radio cruited.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well there were five head coaches that didn't come,
Speaker 5: so that's twenty seven that did. So everybody is still
Speaker 5: taking information from the combine. But what is going on now?
Speaker 5: The schedule has changed. The schedule's changed. At the Combine
Speaker 5: used to be amy you would stay, everybody'd have to
Speaker 5: stay all week because the interviews went on all week,
Speaker 5: and the interview started at six o'clock at night. They
Speaker 5: started at six o'clock at night, so you once the
Speaker 5: interview started, you were there from six to eleven thirty
Speaker 5: or twelve interviewing, and then up at six o'clock the
Speaker 5: next morning to go catch the weight lift. They've changed
Speaker 5: the schedule so that now the interviews are earlier in
Speaker 5: the week, so if you get your interviews out of
Speaker 5: the way, you can go now position coaches still stay.
Speaker 5: All the suites still had people in them all right,
Speaker 5: but I think now changing the schedule the way they
Speaker 5: did allowed guys to come in, get their work done,
Speaker 5: and then leave rather than have to stay the entire week.
Speaker 5: Now some people stayed the you know, stayed the entire week,
Speaker 5: myself included, and most most.
Speaker 3: Of them did.
Speaker 5: But I think the change in the schedule, I think
Speaker 5: it's better for the coaches as far as just organization wise,
Speaker 5: and it's much better for the players. It's much better
Speaker 5: for the players. Now you don't have any late night,
Speaker 5: late late night meetings.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about these players and some
Speaker 1: of the work that we saw in the field and
Speaker 1: I want to start with quarterbacks, right, I'll start with you,
Speaker 1: were there any guys who really did a lot to
Speaker 1: help themselves this week kind of make make some money
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: So a couple that come to mind. One is just
Speaker 4: because some of the top tier quarterbacks didn't work out,
Speaker 4: so this is additioned by subtraction, and that would be
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy from Michigan. They were eighteen players from that
Speaker 4: national championship team invited most ever by one college outfit
Speaker 4: in any of the previous combines. And because Jaden Daniels
Speaker 4: didn't work out there and Caleb Williams and Drake May
Speaker 4: so you know, those those things I think helped him
Speaker 4: really have a chance to put himself as probably the
Speaker 4: fourth quarterback taken on Night one of the draft, and
Speaker 4: then the quarterback from Tulane Pratt. He really had a
Speaker 4: nice combine, had a thirty six sits vertical leap. I
Speaker 4: think he led all quarterbacks in that regard, and we
Speaker 4: saw him at Mobile And of course Taj Spears has
Speaker 4: been telling me about Pratt for a couple of years now.
Speaker 4: But he's a guy that including Daniel Jeremiah, thinks that
Speaker 4: he's gonna get a chance to play in the league
Speaker 4: at some point. Now he won't be Night one Thursday Night,
Speaker 4: first Round take guy. But those two guys I think
Speaker 4: helped themselves this last week.
Speaker 2: I think for sure, like like RTT said, a sameil
Speaker 2: the opt out of some of these other guys and able,
Speaker 2: I would say, Joe Milton be put on highlight a
Speaker 2: little bit more. And I'll say this, coaches love measurables
Speaker 2: and at some point some coaches are gonna think they
Speaker 2: can coach them up. The same way I feel about
Speaker 2: Spencer Ratler. I don't think he had the greatest showing
Speaker 2: at the combin as far as Spencer Ratler goes, but
Speaker 2: he was there, he was available when you got an
Speaker 2: opportunity to see him. Now coaches know what they have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to work with, and that's the same well
Speaker 2: I felt about him and Michael Pennix Junior. Those dudes
Speaker 2: were guys that stayed there and dropped the deep ball
Speaker 2: and maybe they missed that they didn't connect with the
Speaker 2: receivers down the field, But you got an opportunity to
Speaker 2: throw a motion, you got an opportunity see some of
Speaker 2: the touch that they had and the ability that they
Speaker 2: like they will compete, and I think those guys needed.
Speaker 2: I think Joe Milton needed, I think Spencer Rally needed,
Speaker 2: and I think Michael Pennix junior did also.
Speaker 3: And they were middle of the road I think.
Speaker 2: But of course you look at their projections and what
Speaker 2: you can see in their skill set and they put
Speaker 2: it on display. Joe's touch was actually better. I feel
Speaker 2: like then it was at the Senior Bowl. I thought
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler from what we saw at the Spence at
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, took a step back. But in the
Speaker 2: spirit of competition, Coaz mc always reminds us don't be
Speaker 2: an incident evaluator, and in that just because he had
Speaker 2: a so so combine throwing, I think his pro day
Speaker 2: can bold well for him with his receivers and what
Speaker 2: he's capable of.
Speaker 3: First rounder no, but as.
Speaker 2: Far as depth and growth in the league, he'll have
Speaker 2: the opportunity, Mack with.
Speaker 1: Some guys making a name for themselves in Indianapolis, with
Speaker 1: some guys sitting out, how is that going to impact
Speaker 1: the rest of this draft, Because I know you always
Speaker 1: talk about the quarterback draft and then everybody else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I think JJ McCarthy put himself as a
Speaker 5: fourth quarterback. He put himself as a fourth quarterback. So
Speaker 5: what that means is is there's teams at ten, eleven,
Speaker 5: and twelve that need a quarterback. They may be looking
Speaker 5: to trade up because those other those top three will
Speaker 5: be gone. So JJ McCarthy has put himself in that
Speaker 5: in that in that conversation. Now the rest of them
Speaker 5: that that showed up, they are second and third day guys.
Speaker 5: They're second, third day guys. Whatever flavor you would like
Speaker 5: to take on them, they're there. Spencer Ratler had a
Speaker 5: better Senior Bowl than he did a combine, but at
Speaker 5: least he did both though I thought, you know, as
Speaker 5: as Ramon said, Michael Pennix was fine, Milton, Look, you
Speaker 5: know every time you go, it's going to be a
Speaker 5: carnival seeing how far he can throw it and how
Speaker 5: deep he can throw it. You know, that's number one.
Speaker 5: And so now I don't think he changed anybody's mind
Speaker 5: about what he is and where he will be. But
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy elevated himself into that next level here in
Speaker 5: the first round where somebody may trade up to get
Speaker 5: him and may try to jump up to either five,
Speaker 5: six or seven, which would include the Titans to try
Speaker 5: to get a quarterback right.
Speaker 1: The wide receivers group is a group that we've talked
Speaker 1: about over and over and over and over again. Did
Speaker 1: it live up to their billing this week?
Speaker 4: I would say so. Now that's another takeaway from the
Speaker 4: combine overall is it seems like players are getting faster
Speaker 4: every year, regardless of position. But nine wide receivers, nine
Speaker 4: of them with a sub four four forty yard dash
Speaker 4: and a lot of them way south of that, including
Speaker 4: the man who broke the record and Xavier Worthy from Texas.
Speaker 4: You know, in the conversation that we had with Daniel
Speaker 4: Jeremiah and I can't remember who else we talked to
Speaker 4: for that week for the OTP, Jordan Reid, Yeah, and
Speaker 4: Jordan Reid too, we were talking about, you know, how
Speaker 4: many receivers just might go in the first round. I
Speaker 4: think that number went up after last week. Seven to
Speaker 4: eight was kind of the number in my mind. I
Speaker 4: think it's closer to ten.
Speaker 1: Now do you agree with that?
Speaker 3: Idle too?
Speaker 2: And the thing that I don't want to do is
Speaker 2: minimize I've heard some people make the conversation, well they're
Speaker 2: training for the forty, say what you want to about it.
Speaker 3: These guys are just fast.
Speaker 2: You don't have this amount of guys in the sub
Speaker 2: four fours running this speed if they're just not getting fast.
Speaker 2: It's going back like to say, sometimes believe what your
Speaker 2: eyes are telling, like believe what you're seeing. And lab
Speaker 2: Maconki you have Ricky Piarsol. Even in the four fours,
Speaker 2: these guys are running. And then for the ones, Exavier
Speaker 2: Logett is a guy I think ran high four four
Speaker 2: maybe four five. You don't deny his playmaking ability though,
Speaker 2: that's the conversation that you're having. So as yeah, the
Speaker 2: forty means a lot, but you look at these guys
Speaker 2: separate on the field and the amount of volume that
Speaker 2: they have catching balls in college and of course when
Speaker 2: they're coming up the incorporation of seven on seven.
Speaker 3: This is what they do. This is what they're specializing in.
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed watching those guys run, but not just
Speaker 2: that they're performing at a rate that you say to yourself,
Speaker 2: if you don't get that top first round or that
Speaker 2: you want the quality and quantity at this point, is
Speaker 2: therefore you in the second, third, fourth round.
Speaker 5: Also well, r reck I said there were nine wide
Speaker 5: receivers under four four, and I said with the receiver coaches,
Speaker 5: I mean everybody was amazed. I mean it was just
Speaker 5: time after time, you know, four four nothing, four three nine,
Speaker 5: I mean all of that stuff. Uh, there were seven
Speaker 5: wide receivers taking in the first round in two thousand
Speaker 5: and four. Okay, I think the number will be eight
Speaker 5: this year. There will be eight in the first in
Speaker 5: the first round this year because to me, I mean
Speaker 5: it's that was an incredible showing. And by the way,
Speaker 5: Loget Legett ran a four to three nine there, so
Speaker 5: he put a four to three nine up. So and
Speaker 5: Legett didn't have the greatest Senior Bowl, but he re
Speaker 5: emerged himself with his workout at the combine. You could
Speaker 5: see it, you know, his vertical jump was forty inches.
Speaker 5: He was a ten six broad jumper two hundred and
Speaker 5: twenty one pounds, so he rebounded from the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: So the combine helped Legett regain some traction well.
Speaker 4: And Logett was dealing with a left ankle or a
Speaker 4: lower leg injury on his left leg during the Senior
Speaker 4: Bowl a month before, so he clearly had put in
Speaker 4: the treatment time to get that worked out, and it
Speaker 4: worked out in this case. But to what they're saying about,
Speaker 4: you know, these testing numbers, Yes, I think a lot
Speaker 4: of it is their confirmation on what scouts and evaluators
Speaker 4: have seen previously. Like I think about that that great
Speaker 4: OTP that you did with Dane Brugler f the athletic
Speaker 4: He said that fall in love with the tape, not
Speaker 4: the tag, and that he meaning the tag that you
Speaker 4: put on your big board in the war room. Don't
Speaker 4: don't fall in love with that name on that tag.
Speaker 4: Fall in love with the tape that you have seen.
Speaker 4: That is the evidence that you need to see for
Speaker 4: not only the skill set, but the athletic measurables, all
Speaker 4: those things.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that a little bit, because, as
Speaker 1: you guys mentioned earlier, Xavier Worthy broke the record for
Speaker 1: forty time at the combine. Four two one was that time,
Speaker 1: which is rather quick, It's very exciting. It was really
Speaker 1: an exciting thing to watch. Mac you were there, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it was bananas.
Speaker 5: The place erupted. Let me tell you the story about it.
Speaker 5: You know, first of all, now the numbers that you
Speaker 5: know for the ot people, the numbers they post on television,
Speaker 5: those are not official numbers and so when he ran
Speaker 5: his first, he ran, he ran his first four to two,
Speaker 5: ran four to two. Five. All right, But the timers,
Speaker 5: the timers, of course, I'm anyway, I know what was
Speaker 5: going on. The timers told him, hey, you're close, because
Speaker 5: a lot of time, a lot of them hadn't faster
Speaker 5: than four to five. He had gone, he had walked out,
Speaker 5: he had taken his shoes off, he was done. And
Speaker 5: then when they told him, well, you're close, he went okay.
Speaker 5: So he so he started lacing them back up, and
Speaker 5: the crowd went nuts when they saw him. Now they
Speaker 5: were clear at the other end of the field with ay,
Speaker 5: they were watching him. He starts lacing them back up,
Speaker 5: and then people are going wow because normally, you know,
Speaker 5: dudes run, run a good time, they're done, you know
Speaker 5: with that part of it. And plus I don't think
Speaker 5: he was going to do any drills anyway. He was
Speaker 5: there to run, all right, because if you know worthy
Speaker 5: and and and and you and you watch him, I
Speaker 5: mean he's six to one. I mean, but the guys
Speaker 5: weighs one hundred and sixty five pounds. Okay, Now, don't
Speaker 5: let that fool you, because he's got massive production at
Speaker 5: the University of Texas. He and ad Mitchell were legitimate
Speaker 5: dudes with the ball in the air there, so he
Speaker 5: starts lacing them back up. Well, then he gets back
Speaker 5: down there. Now everybody the whole the whole building, because
Speaker 5: he's the last one, they go alphabetically worthy W I mean,
Speaker 5: I had a good education. It's it's at the end
Speaker 5: of the It's at the end. Okay, it's at the end.
Speaker 5: So when he took off. When he took off, everybody's going,
Speaker 5: you can tell. Some of those guys can run, and
Speaker 5: like I say, someone can run, run, but this guy run, run, run.
Speaker 5: I mean you were everybody was watching that.
Speaker 4: Go whoa.
Speaker 5: Okay, Now the time came out, okay at four two two,
Speaker 5: all right, and of course he you know, he does
Speaker 5: a victory lap at four two two, but that's not
Speaker 5: an official time. So I'm watching him. I'm watching him,
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, you know, one of the
Speaker 5: timers turns around to me and goes and I go.
Speaker 5: So that's when I texted the whole Titans radio crew.
Speaker 5: I said he may had two to one wow on
Speaker 5: the official well.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 5: Huschman Zada was one of the receivers that was down there,
Speaker 5: you know, as a as a mentor to those guys.
Speaker 5: He and Michael Irving and Steve Smith and Michael Irving
Speaker 5: Steve Smith were doing they were doing a streaming thing.
Speaker 5: So all of a sudden, I see TJ grab a
Speaker 5: group of guys and he goes over to xavier' worthy
Speaker 5: and he starts looking posts to the phone and shows
Speaker 5: him this, and all of a sudden Worthy just screams
Speaker 5: and runs out of the building. He just takes off,
Speaker 5: running right through the tunnel. And then so t J
Speaker 5: huschmans and is on, come on back, come on back,
Speaker 5: come on back. And then he was telling him that
Speaker 5: the official was. You know, they already it was four
Speaker 5: two one, and so then later on they announced it.
Speaker 5: Well that's why I sent it to you guys on
Speaker 5: that text chain. I said he maybe four to two
Speaker 5: one official, and he was. And then after that he
Speaker 5: was that that to me is is that's insane speed? Really,
Speaker 5: you know, now he's got no pads on, he's got
Speaker 5: but you watch him play, he plays fast. He's fast fast.
Speaker 5: But that was a moment, that was it. It It
Speaker 5: ignited the entire place, and there was a buzz about
Speaker 5: it inside for the rest of the time.
Speaker 1: Does that impact his drafts sock.
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I don't. I don't think we
Speaker 5: knew he was fast. I mean, it's not like all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, you know, you were looking at a
Speaker 5: plow horse and he was a race horse. I mean
Speaker 5: he could, he could always run. But just the fact,
Speaker 5: I tell, I tell you what may impact a little bit,
Speaker 5: just in the in coaches thinking, he laced his shoes
Speaker 5: back up and went again. The competitive nature of the
Speaker 5: dude going, you know what, I'm gonna go after it
Speaker 5: instead of just saying I'm fine, I'm good. It's kind
Speaker 5: of like Roma Dunesay did when he stayed and I
Speaker 5: stayed and watched him do the three cone drill about
Speaker 5: fifteen times because he kept hitting the third cone and
Speaker 5: they don't count it, and he says, I want to
Speaker 5: get it done. When everybody was gone, everybody was out
Speaker 5: of the building, and he was going to get it right.
Speaker 5: So you look at a lot of things this, but
Speaker 5: what you try to glean from, you know, the perimeter
Speaker 5: of it, is some of their competitiveness and that will
Speaker 5: stick out big time. Four two one will always be
Speaker 5: there in history. But just the fact that how he
Speaker 5: did it, the fact that how he did it and
Speaker 5: went back and went after it. I appreciated that.
Speaker 4: So I was watching this unfold on NFL Network and
Speaker 4: I think I heard Rich Eyes and Daniel Jeremiah saying,
Speaker 4: I think it was like sixteen thousand fans could the
Speaker 4: buzz was starting to build, and then when he popped it,
Speaker 4: I mean, it was amazing. The thing about his draft status,
Speaker 4: like the durability part of this for him, because I
Speaker 4: mean he officially came in at five to eleven won
Speaker 4: sixty five. To put that in the context, the same
Speaker 4: conversations we had about Devonte Smith, former Heisman Trophy winner
Speaker 4: from Alabama, who's the Eagles receiver. He was one seventy
Speaker 4: five at his combine and rang in at six feet
Speaker 4: and change. Uh. And then the guy who he broke
Speaker 4: the forty, John Ross, who was smaller. They worried about
Speaker 4: durability and unfortunately that didn't work out for him. He
Speaker 4: was one eighty eight. So I mean, this guy is
Speaker 4: skinny as a rail compared to what we're talking about here.
Speaker 4: So the durability in this is something that you know,
Speaker 4: And of course somebody would say, well, rhet you got
Speaker 4: to catch him first. I'm like, odds are somebody's gonna
Speaker 4: take the right angle and catch him and may hurt him.
Speaker 1: Well, ramon, when you see someone you talk about kind
Speaker 1: of the mentality behind what he did running again when
Speaker 1: he comes into a locker room, he's a rookie kid.
Speaker 1: That reputation is going to precede him a little bit.
Speaker 1: Is that something you like in a rookie and a teammate.
Speaker 2: I do, And I'll say what coach Mack said just
Speaker 2: a second ago toward back up what he said too.
Speaker 2: The fact that he had the record in hand essentially
Speaker 2: and ran again after taking the shoes off.
Speaker 3: That does shows a competitive side. That does show if
Speaker 3: he lose.
Speaker 2: A rep, he's going to go back to the front
Speaker 2: of the line say let's run that back.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: When you become the fastest guy, you don't want that
Speaker 2: to just be your thing. Speed needs to show, but
Speaker 2: past catching or whether you go to special teams need
Speaker 2: to be his specialty too, because as a young rookie.
Speaker 3: At his size, what third second round?
Speaker 2: Maybe it where you project a guy like him, He's
Speaker 2: gonna have to be a teamer. Where are you fitting
Speaker 2: into the special teams first, if that's a part of
Speaker 2: your identity, or where can we incorporate you in these
Speaker 2: spot plays when we put you out there and training
Speaker 2: camp and OTAs in mini camp. We need to see
Speaker 2: that speed making plays. I've seen a lot of guys
Speaker 2: either be real strong, real big, real to all those
Speaker 2: types of things, but the utilization of what you're born with.
Speaker 2: He was born with that speed four to two one
Speaker 2: may have been trained into him, but you need to
Speaker 2: be able to see those types of things equate to.
Speaker 3: The football field.
Speaker 2: It's just like you see slow receivers just continuously catch
Speaker 2: passes and stuff like that. Well, that's because they become
Speaker 2: a special of being a wide receiver. The speed is
Speaker 2: a caveat to what got you in the door. His
Speaker 2: ability to make plays with that speed is going to
Speaker 2: be something to wear veterans I've seen in the locker room,
Speaker 2: whether you're a first rounder with a lot of praise,
Speaker 2: or your guy that has a special tool like speed
Speaker 2: or strength or your ability to throw the ball really
Speaker 2: hard and fast, that doesn't matter in the NFL unless
Speaker 2: we actually see it on the field. And that's the
Speaker 2: beauty about it too. And we've all had those conversations.
Speaker 2: Combinding these measurables gets you in the door. Your playmaking
Speaker 2: ability keeps you in the door in those football facilities
Speaker 2: in those thirty two cities.
Speaker 5: One more thing about the speed. If you'll look at
Speaker 5: the at the at the top numbers in the combine
Speaker 5: over the last ten years, there's really maybe I know
Speaker 5: one guy, maybe two guys that turned out to really
Speaker 5: be players, player players, CJ two K. CJ two K
Speaker 5: was a player four two four. He held it for
Speaker 5: a long time until John Ross. John Ross not such
Speaker 5: a great player, just you know, an up and down career.
Speaker 5: So the speed is one factor, and that's that's to
Speaker 5: Ramon's point. I mean it it kind of is, you know,
Speaker 5: because everybody, if you're watching, if you're watching on television,
Speaker 5: that's the one thing you can equate to is that
Speaker 5: guy's fast. But you know the nuances of watching them
Speaker 5: work out, breaking down tape, grinding tape, all of that
Speaker 5: weighs a little bit more than the speed. But the
Speaker 5: speed part of it, if it is also with football ability,
Speaker 5: that's when you've got a player. So as I said,
Speaker 5: if you look at the if you look at the
Speaker 5: top nine or ten that have got the top speed
Speaker 5: in the history of the combine. Not very many turned
Speaker 5: out to be just legendary players.
Speaker 3: C J.
Speaker 5: Two K is a legendary player, you know.
Speaker 4: So anyway, Yeah, that's the That's the whole story of
Speaker 4: the draft as it has become more popular and become
Speaker 4: such a thing that everyone views, is that, Okay, there's
Speaker 4: athletes out there, but are you a football player? Because
Speaker 4: if you got the marriage of the two, you probably
Speaker 4: got the makings of a really good player, maybe even
Speaker 4: an elite level player.
Speaker 2: And so adds to that, Coach Mack was saying, saying,
Speaker 2: John Ross, I was in a division that played him
Speaker 2: two times a year, and I never forget the tag
Speaker 2: that you carry one. You're the fastest guy ever at
Speaker 2: the Combine. We couldn't wait to see him. Why because
Speaker 2: I need to see your speed. And you know what
Speaker 2: happens when you get those veteran DB's that's been in
Speaker 2: the league for seven years. They gonna punch you dead
Speaker 2: in your test because one, I know your feather way.
Speaker 2: Two can you escape and get off the line of scrimmage?
Speaker 2: And then if you can get past me, how fast
Speaker 2: are you to get open? It's one thing to be
Speaker 2: fast but are you good enough to separate. That's one
Speaker 2: of the things we've liked about Ricky Parsol when we
Speaker 2: watched them at the Senior ball lad McConkie is you
Speaker 2: can get open. That's one of the things I don't think.
Speaker 2: Steve Smith Senior was a fast wide receiver, but he
Speaker 2: always got open. That's the separator to me when we
Speaker 2: look at those tools that you're born with naturally, is
Speaker 2: what happens when you actually use them.
Speaker 5: As a head coach, I drafted on the slowest receivers
Speaker 5: in the combine one year. Had to have him.
Speaker 3: Who was it?
Speaker 5: And Gwambolin? He ran four seven to one.
Speaker 4: Worked out pretty good player, I think so.
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Speaker 1: very fast the offensive line, Sorry, wait.
Speaker 5: A minute, I'm going to take a little umbrage to that.
Speaker 5: Are you yes? These guys ran this this year and
Speaker 5: and I'm going to say something else, and then you
Speaker 5: wouldn't go on, You're you're directing this thing. I don't
Speaker 5: know why they make these big guys run forty of
Speaker 5: Tell coach they don't, they should run twenty. The second
Speaker 5: group that ran four hamstring pops out of the second
Speaker 5: group on the second run on one of them was
Speaker 5: on the first run. Uh, I don't. And again they've
Speaker 5: done it for years. But whenever, whenever you're looking at
Speaker 5: an offensive lineman, you look at my notebook, first thing
Speaker 5: I wrote was our ten yard split. That's the that's
Speaker 5: the split I looked at. I don't know why they
Speaker 5: make these big men run forty yards, but anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So what's the alternative though, Just make them run ten
Speaker 1: or don't make them run.
Speaker 2: It all twenty twenty in a cut maybe, or set
Speaker 2: them up like it's a screen one two steps and
Speaker 2: get out in his face, because that's.
Speaker 3: Going to be where they're utilize more.
Speaker 2: Rah offensive lineman running the forty in the football game.
Speaker 2: You know what, you call that an interception in the
Speaker 2: other direction, that interception.
Speaker 4: Normally, you're not asking those guys to do that at
Speaker 4: all and in his and in max observation of all
Speaker 4: those hamstring pops, they came between the thirty and forty
Speaker 4: yard marks, every single one of them. So twenty probably
Speaker 4: a better option.
Speaker 2: But to that same conversation, though, these guys have gotten
Speaker 2: faster offso oh yes, wasn't a lot of fours in
Speaker 2: this group, but they're teetering on five flat, five O one,
Speaker 2: five oh two. You got a guy in Joe All
Speaker 2: at six nine, and I think he added a little
Speaker 2: muscle to him too in this time, because I think
Speaker 2: they had him listed about three twelve eves, three twenties,
Speaker 2: three twenty one, three twenty one ran a five o
Speaker 2: five at six ' nine. Just his body size and length.
Speaker 2: You don't expect them to run like that at that weight.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just him Emeritus Mems. I saw his
Speaker 2: second run live and I say, oh, he moving, And
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, he ran a five oh five. Also, yes, no,
Speaker 2: five seven, three hundred and forty pounds like you don't
Speaker 2: move like that. And that's why I also think eventually
Speaker 2: the NFL, with where it is right now, and I've
Speaker 2: said this before, I think we're gonna get back to
Speaker 2: a bruising style of ball. Like I love the idea
Speaker 2: that we're passing the ball around. But these guys are
Speaker 2: so big and so fast and so iegile now that
Speaker 2: you may be able to just build the running game
Speaker 2: the way it was. I'm not talking late nineties, early
Speaker 2: two thousands, but the idea that the run game may
Speaker 2: show his head more prevalent in today's game, I think
Speaker 2: we'll see more of that because these guys are so
Speaker 2: much bigger and faster and athletic than even I mean,
Speaker 2: five six years ago.
Speaker 5: The drills they do for the offensive linement are really
Speaker 5: good positional drills. They do the Penning polls, and they
Speaker 5: time the penn And polls, they tie the penn And polls.
Speaker 5: All of those things they do are really good. I
Speaker 5: just I just don't know what you're getting from a
Speaker 5: forty yard dash.
Speaker 1: Tell me what a penn And poll is. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means.
Speaker 5: I will tell you, thank you. Ramon is the tackle, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm the guard. Okay, defensive players right here, I am
Speaker 5: the pen guy. I'm gonna block down on this guy,
Speaker 5: and kind Ramon is going to pull around me to
Speaker 5: move up on the linebacker.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: What it does is it replaces gaps for linebackers. It
Speaker 5: changes it changes gap schemes, and then the down lineman
Speaker 5: always have to worry about not only the man over
Speaker 5: them that you're playing against, but they have to worry
Speaker 5: about the man to their inside. So you'll hear when
Speaker 5: they when you know, you hear me on the broadcast
Speaker 5: and saying, well, this is a Penning pull scheme. You
Speaker 5: call it counter o, counter ot, call it whatever you
Speaker 5: want to. It's blocking down and then pulling lineman from
Speaker 5: the opposite side to swab a hole and create a
Speaker 5: new line of scrimmage on the opposite.
Speaker 3: Side, creating angles for run lanes.
Speaker 2: You're getting a guy instead of having the defensive lineman
Speaker 2: come up the field as Coach Mac just said, and
Speaker 2: knocked them off by hitting him in the hip, the
Speaker 2: guy pulling around put them up on the second level
Speaker 2: to block the linebacker.
Speaker 3: Better angles that way creating.
Speaker 5: But they have this is very informative here. They have.
Speaker 5: They have good drills now for that, and they time
Speaker 5: it at the combinet.
Speaker 1: In watching some of these drills and watching these guys
Speaker 1: work out. We had talked leading up to the combine
Speaker 1: that it seemed like there was a bit of a separation.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talent within the offensive line group,
Speaker 1: but there were a couple who had separated themselves to
Speaker 1: be the elite at the top of the group, and
Speaker 1: then there was a little bit of a gap between
Speaker 1: the rest of them. They they fill in that gap
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 4: Tallyfuaga from Oregon State has probably helped his cause in that.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's if we're if we're talking the week
Speaker 4: of the draft, I think coach Mack and I would
Speaker 4: agree that in that first pod or tier of tackles,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be Joe alt Olu Fashanu from Penn State,
Speaker 4: and then you can start to fill in a Tally
Speaker 4: Fuaga from Oregon State, you know, maybe an Amarus Mems
Speaker 4: maybe from uh maybe h Tyler Guidon from Oklahoma. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's there's several there that you're going to be there,
Speaker 4: may be going to be in the bottom of that
Speaker 4: first pod, but the first two that are there are
Speaker 4: still Joe alt Olu fashion it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think J. C. Latham is in is in
Speaker 5: that is in that top tier, and the Marius Maams
Speaker 5: moved himself up. This is the mountain of a man.
Speaker 5: He is a mountain of a man. You see him
Speaker 5: standing next to normal humans down there on the floor.
Speaker 5: It's not even funny. But I think those guys there.
Speaker 5: But then as he says, you know, RHDT said the
Speaker 5: Fuaga Tyler gotten Fontineau, the guy that that kind of
Speaker 5: jumped up. Now he's not in this level, but you know,
Speaker 5: I like to watch lower tier guys too. Was a
Speaker 5: guy that we liked, that I liked and we talked
Speaker 5: about at the Senior Bowl was at Tanner Bartolini, the
Speaker 5: Center from Wisconsin. He tested out. He tested out there,
Speaker 5: so all of a sudden he's helped himself. But there
Speaker 5: are to me, they'll probably be in the first round.
Speaker 5: I would say, six tackles.
Speaker 4: Wow, And it's there's a chance that someone deems their
Speaker 4: guy a first round gray guy because you don't know
Speaker 4: what the other folks are doing. I mean, the most
Speaker 4: since the AFL NFL merger in nineteen seventy was seven
Speaker 4: tackles in two thousand and eight, the Matt Ryan year
Speaker 4: that he was drafted a quarterback. There's been several years
Speaker 4: where six was a play. It's at least that and
Speaker 4: there's a chance that could tie that or if it's
Speaker 4: a crazy night, bust it. But just looking at the
Speaker 4: testing of this, I've taken notes while these old linemen
Speaker 4: ran on Sunday. Tanner Bordolini both forties, handsome his ten
Speaker 4: yard split one six nine well, Joe alt at nearly
Speaker 4: six nine, three hundred and twenty two pounds his ten
Speaker 4: split one seven three and one seven to four, respectively.
Speaker 4: Central Florida offensive lineman Tayland Grable both of his forties
Speaker 4: sub four nine nine uh, Frank Crumb from Wyoming who
Speaker 4: had the blonde lettuce as they call it, just huge,
Speaker 4: long flowing locks four nine four forty. And then there's
Speaker 4: a a from a different level of school. South Dakota
Speaker 4: State's Garrett Greenfield six six three eleven highest set the
Speaker 4: record for vertical jump for an offensive lineman at thirty
Speaker 4: eight and a half inches. These guys are ridiculous, but
Speaker 4: at the top they're game changers. And what we were
Speaker 4: saying earlier about, okay, we got an athlete here, do
Speaker 4: we have a football player? I think that's what a
Speaker 4: Marius Mems is trying to show. Because he only had
Speaker 4: eight career starts at Georgia. All the other things are there,
Speaker 4: at almost eighty seven inch wingspan, I mean can reach
Speaker 4: around the corner and tap you on the shoulder and
Speaker 4: then move his hand and go who is that.
Speaker 1: Now? Yeah, Ramon, you're having like a response to some
Speaker 1: of these numbers. Why is this so impressive to you?
Speaker 2: Because again, the sizes of these dudes is what's getting like.
Speaker 2: These dudes aren't like they're just I feel like for
Speaker 2: a while, the NFL got lighter as far as the
Speaker 2: interior guys, I mean, the offensive line guys went and
Speaker 2: they try to go more athletic, and I even see
Speaker 2: some of these guys coming in now as recruit watching
Speaker 2: recruits watching the college world. They're coming into like through
Speaker 2: sixty then trimming down to like three forty three thirty.
Speaker 2: But they're athletes like I always thought of Marius Mims
Speaker 2: was big. I thought JC Latham at Alabama was big,
Speaker 2: and then you see them coach mack as you just said,
Speaker 2: like Amarius Memmes. I'm not sure if there's a better
Speaker 2: looking offensive line prospect as far as just body type
Speaker 2: that you say to yourself, if he's got the right coach,
Speaker 2: to right system, right mind, and you expect them to
Speaker 2: have that always coming out as a five star guy,
Speaker 2: then he should be a pro on either the right
Speaker 2: side or the left side. And then you see a
Speaker 2: guy like jac Latham that may be a little bit
Speaker 2: more softer of a body. Then let's go a Marius Mims.
Speaker 2: But then you see the way he moves, you watch
Speaker 2: his tate and when you're talking about is he a
Speaker 2: football player?
Speaker 3: Yes they are.
Speaker 2: And it's not even just we spoke about the six
Speaker 2: or seven tackles that may go in the first round.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the top one hundred potentially in that
Speaker 2: you have Cooper BB, you have Jackson Powers Johnson. You
Speaker 2: may have a talent guy. You have a Jordan Morgan,
Speaker 2: Alice Fraser, you got the Yukon guard. Also, who are
Speaker 2: top quality guys like to be able to spread around
Speaker 2: this wealth? You two guys easily in that one hundred,
Speaker 2: and not even to mention the guys that you.
Speaker 3: Say, yeah, we can coach him up.
Speaker 2: There's there's a guy or two that this is gonna
Speaker 2: be a project that can bode well for you. I
Speaker 2: think you've got more quality and I gotta give credit
Speaker 2: to the portal. You gotta give credit to the COVID
Speaker 2: year potentially to them getting an extra year, or maybe
Speaker 2: these guys that may be coming out younger having to
Speaker 2: sit behind an older guy and watch them be pros
Speaker 2: in college too. So there are some benefit to it.
Speaker 2: And you just got to appreciate the bigs. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I was just amazed at the agility and speed of
Speaker 2: them at their size.
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be three forty six running a
Speaker 3: five flat.
Speaker 5: You know. And and again it was just it was
Speaker 5: fun to watch that group. It really was, because you know,
Speaker 5: and and we're and we like to dig a little
Speaker 5: deeper here on the OTP, you know, rather than just
Speaker 5: the bigger names. I mean, we've talked about Tanner Bartolini,
Speaker 5: Brandon Coleman, the guard from TCU six four three thirteen
Speaker 5: ran four nine nine. I mean, he'll be a fourth rounder,
Speaker 5: but he vertical jumped thirty four inches, you know that
Speaker 5: at that big Mason mccarmick, because the guard center from
Speaker 5: South Dakota, you know, I mean, I mean the guy
Speaker 5: the five o eight forty, I mean you watch him,
Speaker 5: he can move. Christian Jones, the offensive lineman from from Texas.
Speaker 5: He's an offensive tackle sixty five three oh five. I
Speaker 5: mean there's a that's the third round guy right there
Speaker 5: that had a solid Senior Bowl, but he showed out
Speaker 5: here at the come and of course we went through.
Speaker 5: I mean Joe walt Is, you look at him, you
Speaker 5: go okay.
Speaker 4: The guard from Boston College, Christian Mahagan.
Speaker 5: Christian Mahogany.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, so what these guys are saying is one
Speaker 5: under true and then and then uh Fuaga and and Fontono,
Speaker 5: the Morgan State and Washington. These dudes are up there.
Speaker 5: You got a lot. I tell you guy, another guy too,
Speaker 5: because I watched these guys because we might need on.
Speaker 5: Uh is Roger Rosengarten from Washington, the offensive tackle that
Speaker 5: was that that we watched down there at six five,
Speaker 5: three oh eight four nine to two. Good movement. I
Speaker 5: mean everybody was saying, he's a guard. Will you watch
Speaker 5: his movement? I mean he could be a tackle the
Speaker 5: way he moved his feet out there. So all of
Speaker 5: these guys did themselves. Zach Frazier from West Virginia, the
Speaker 5: city that Christian, the guy he was talking about. I
Speaker 5: mean I watched these guys pretty close, and you're get
Speaker 5: you get a good player that can play for you
Speaker 5: for six or eight years. On the third and fourth round,
Speaker 5: you're happy, and some of these got they're going to
Speaker 5: go that.
Speaker 1: Deep here on the OTP. We we don't discriminate. We
Speaker 1: like all the parts of a football game, and we
Speaker 1: have only been talking about offense the entire time that
Speaker 1: we've been here. So I feel the need before we
Speaker 1: wrap this up to at least acknowledge that there were
Speaker 1: defensive players in Indianapolis, because there were, and there were
Speaker 1: some guys who really had great showings. And so I'd
Speaker 1: like to hear from each of you, maybe just a
Speaker 1: defensive player or two who really stood out to you,
Speaker 1: because I feel bad that we're not giving that whole
Speaker 1: side of the ball any love, and they deserve it,
Speaker 1: or at least some of them do, right, Mack, I look.
Speaker 5: For nickel corners were outstanding. The corners were outstanding. And
Speaker 5: let me just give you some names of nickel corners.
Speaker 5: These are not the guys on the edge. These are
Speaker 5: nickel corners. DAYK One Hardy from Penn State forty two
Speaker 5: and a half inch vertical jump. I mean, the dude
Speaker 5: is going to play over the slot. Andrew Phillips from
Speaker 5: Kentucky for to two inch vertical jump that shows you
Speaker 5: the explosion. Max Melton from Rutgers Mike Keith's favorite interview
Speaker 5: at the Senior Bowl Max Melton eleven to four broad jump.
Speaker 5: I mean he is a bull terrier and he will
Speaker 5: be there. Mike Santastril from Michigan ten to eleven broad jump.
Speaker 5: He's going to be a nice, nice nickel in this league.
Speaker 5: Those are the nickel guys that I was watching just expressly.
Speaker 5: And then I'll let these guys go into the other
Speaker 5: guys the edges because the how many ran for four
Speaker 5: or less there? I think there were nine that ran
Speaker 5: four four or less their players there at the cornerback.
Speaker 5: That's a deep position.
Speaker 2: I think our OTP listeners know about Braden Fist, so
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna mention him anymore in the combine
Speaker 2: that he had.
Speaker 3: But there's three other d tackles that I.
Speaker 2: Fell in love with watching the numbers and just watching
Speaker 2: their take two, and it's Ruka Roho out of Clemson.
Speaker 2: Big body guy can still got so much room to grow.
Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins Junior also him was a guy his measurables
Speaker 2: pretty much lined with what his dad did out of Michigan.
Speaker 2: That was insane to see that one I played against
Speaker 2: his dad name's got a kid potentially.
Speaker 3: Going in the second or third round.
Speaker 2: And then the other one was Dwayne Carter, another big
Speaker 2: body guy to Duke that performed well. And you can
Speaker 2: say to yourself, as much as we talk about this
Speaker 2: offensive line here in Tennessee, there is a need for
Speaker 2: defensive tackle help too. I like these guys, and we
Speaker 2: heard Brian Callahan talk about he want guys some big programs.
Speaker 2: These students all play big ball and understand how to
Speaker 2: play it in Each one of them has a mean
Speaker 2: streak in them that I enjoy and like you paired
Speaker 2: it up with a guy like Jeffrey Simmons. I mean again,
Speaker 2: the body types of these dude suggests that they can
Speaker 2: be space eaters but also playmakers.
Speaker 4: To Dwayne Carter from Duke is one of those that
Speaker 4: I think coaches are going to try to figure out
Speaker 4: where does he play because he played on every position
Speaker 4: on the defensive line in his time as a Blue Devil. There.
Speaker 4: I've got three guys, and I will mention Braden Fisk
Speaker 4: from Florida State because uh, here's this guy at six
Speaker 4: three two, one of our one of my favorite interviews
Speaker 4: from the Senior Bowl. H thirty three and a half
Speaker 4: inch vertical leap, nine foot nine inch broad jump, forty
Speaker 4: yard dash four seven eight. In fact, he was one
Speaker 4: of seven defensive linemen with a sub five second forty
Speaker 4: yard dash. And then uh, Marshawn Neeland, his former team
Speaker 4: eight who still was at Western Michigan, Marshawn Kneeland sixty
Speaker 4: three two sixty seven seven O two three cone drill,
Speaker 4: thirty three and a half inch vertical leap nine eleven
Speaker 4: broad of four to seven five forty and then a
Speaker 4: safety that I've kind of been watching out of Oregon,
Speaker 4: Evan Williams. Evan Williams forty and a half inch vertical
Speaker 4: leap ten six broad. Golly, I mean there's so many.
Speaker 4: And then these defensive players, I mean, one of the
Speaker 4: top pass rushers at the top from Alabama Dallas Turner
Speaker 4: four four six forty Chop Robinson Penn State four four
Speaker 4: eight forty.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Some of these guys have got some wheels. But I
Speaker 4: really like Marshawn Neeland and I really like Braden Fisk
Speaker 4: to go with them.
Speaker 5: The names that they're bringing are guys that are that
Speaker 5: are second third day guys, which is important because the
Speaker 5: Dallas Turners, the Jared versus those guys are gone. Yep, Okay,
Speaker 5: they're gonna be They're gonna be gone gone, and rightfully so.
Speaker 5: Chop Robinson worked himself right up into that at the combine.
Speaker 5: So these names are bringing up the draft is much
Speaker 5: more than about the first round.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: I got one one guy I think took his stock
Speaker 2: up even more and we talked about him at the
Speaker 2: Singing Bowl at cornerback Quinyon Mitchell.
Speaker 5: Coach, Look, Quenyon Mitchell is no longer You're right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the worst kept secret in this draft.
Speaker 5: It is no secret he may be And I said,
Speaker 5: with a big group of defensive back coaches, they're looking
Speaker 5: like because you know, Terry and Arnold is a really
Speaker 5: clean player. He ran four five Now he's the number
Speaker 5: one corner. He ran me. But he's a very clean player.
Speaker 5: He's sticky, he's instinctive, played at Alabama, he's and.
Speaker 4: He mercial because he went from safety to corner.
Speaker 5: He may very well be the first corner taken. But
Speaker 5: Quon Mitchell has done nothing but elevate himself in the
Speaker 5: eyes of people that make a decision in the National
Speaker 5: Football League.
Speaker 2: And the reason I bring that up culture back is
Speaker 2: he may be middle first round, and let's say somebody
Speaker 2: want to deal with the Titans, and you got to
Speaker 2: decide if you.
Speaker 3: Want to go get a corner, you want to go
Speaker 3: get a tackle, or if there's an edge.
Speaker 2: Because the quarterback draft, as you always speak about, pushes
Speaker 2: you back and also pushes.
Speaker 3: Good talent back like Queenum.
Speaker 2: Mitchell may be hard to pass on just because of
Speaker 2: what you expect him to do and what he's already
Speaker 2: done in college, and of course his numbers.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something else about that. We talk
Speaker 5: about getting into the mindset of guys. Now, he had
Speaker 5: a chance to get in that transfer portal numbers of times,
Speaker 5: but he said, you know what, Toledo gave me a chance.
Speaker 5: I'm going to stay here at Toledo. And he's done
Speaker 5: not only that, but he's worked himself every test that
Speaker 5: he's been giving. The Senior Bowl was a huge test.
Speaker 5: He stepped up, mastered it, the combine, mastered it. But
Speaker 5: the fact that he said, you know what, I'll stay
Speaker 5: here because they gave me.
Speaker 4: A very pat Tillman esque very much so in term
Speaker 4: of loyalty and staying in a spot. Quinyon Mitchell will
Speaker 4: be a footnote at his college at Toledo. He'll just
Speaker 4: be the second player in their athletic history that has
Speaker 4: been drafted in the first round of the draft. Decades ago.
Speaker 4: Dan Williams, a defensive lineman who had a nice career,
Speaker 4: was a first round pick out of there. He'll be
Speaker 4: the first first round pick out of the Mac Conference
Speaker 4: since the Titans to Corey Davis in twenty seventeen. He
Speaker 4: I mean it's done. I mean he I would be
Speaker 4: shocked if he wasn't a first round pick, and I
Speaker 4: don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: It's even cooler too with him.
Speaker 2: He's supposed to run fast, oh right, with his projections
Speaker 2: twenty reps on it two twenty five?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Can we mention that, like everybody got something dirty about that.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the big boys running right, ain't what
Speaker 2: will we do?
Speaker 3: Okay, little guys.
Speaker 2: Don't bench like this. They may get eight to twelve
Speaker 2: or even fifteen. He pushed out twenty reps on two
Speaker 2: twenty five.
Speaker 4: And a guy with longer arms too. Now he's not
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: You know what that tells you. He's worked at it.
Speaker 3: He's a grinder.
Speaker 5: He's a grinder.
Speaker 1: You guys, this is so great. I just I'm having
Speaker 1: a little moment over here. The combine is in the
Speaker 1: rear view mirror now. But there's still so much to
Speaker 1: talk about as we continue on heading towards the draft
Speaker 1: at the end of April, April twenty fifth through twenty
Speaker 1: seventh in Detroit, that is the NFL Draft. But before
Speaker 1: we get there, we still have pro days at schools
Speaker 1: to get through. We still have thirty visits where the
Speaker 1: individual clubs bring people in, get to spend a little
Speaker 1: bit more time with them, get to know them a
Speaker 1: little bit better. So we still have ways to go here.
Speaker 1: Do we have any final thoughts as we are wrapping
Speaker 1: up this portion of the pre draft process and moving
Speaker 1: on towards Detroit.
Speaker 4: One more thing, free agency. Yeah, here it comes here.
Speaker 4: It's knocking on the door. That's the next on the docket.
Speaker 5: The thing you learn. And I heard somebody on this
Speaker 5: panel say it, don't be an ie, don't be an
Speaker 5: instant evaluator. Keep your powder dry. We don't draft till
Speaker 5: the end of April.
Speaker 4: Fall in love with the tape, not the tag on
Speaker 4: the wall, and it'll be fascinating.
Speaker 2: So it's a free agent mark right there. What resets
Speaker 2: or settles the draft. As far as the quarterbacks, you
Speaker 2: got a bunch of quarterbacks who have valuable plan time
Speaker 2: in the NFL, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, etc. That may
Speaker 2: reshape what the draft does also.
Speaker 4: And there's two teams and two quarterback situations that I
Speaker 4: think mold that to his point. For obviously, the first
Speaker 4: overall pick with the Chicago Bears, do they deal justin fields?
Speaker 4: And if they deal them to Atlanta, who's sitting at eight,
Speaker 4: then that's the two teams I'm talking about. But if
Speaker 4: for some reason Atlanta isn't able to make that happen,
Speaker 4: or they bring in Kirk Cousins and sign him, that's
Speaker 4: gonna change. You know, there's two trade partners right there
Speaker 4: with who these young guys are at the top of
Speaker 4: that quarterback pot. But that will shape it for that
Speaker 4: first night of the draft.
Speaker 5: This time of year when I was coaching, you start
Speaker 5: to work the phones. That's fascinating.
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