WEBVTT - The OTP | 2024 Combine Wrap 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.440 This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.440 plan on paying less for the coverage that you need 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.320 for Farm Bureau Health Plans. Get a quote today at 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.520 FBHP dot com. I'm Amy Wells and we have all 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:27.080 returned to Ascension Saint Thomas Sports Park here in Nashville. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.520 Brian is here, Coach Mack of course is here, and 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.879 Ramone Foster. We're all recovering from the week that was 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.440 in Indianapolis at the twenty twenty four Scouting Combine, and 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.360 so I figured we had to all get together and 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:46.120 kind of just debrief, really review what has happened, and 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.479 then we can move forward with the pre draft process. 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:50.640 And I guess we should start with Ramone, who was 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:56.160 at his first, second but first scouting combine as a observer, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.680 as an analyst as opposed to a participant. What did 0:00:59.720 --> 0:00:59.959 you think? 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.400 I thoroughly enjoyed it. You got an opportunity to see 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.319 the NFL work. This wasn't like a bunch of outsiders 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.840 of people trying to sell you product. This was about 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:10.760 the game. Well there was something that can enhance the 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.400 players as far as that type of product placement or 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.000 just simply watching agents be at dinner with their players. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.000 Watching coaches walk around downtown Indianapolis and just be guys 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.399 and just seeing the different circles and groups and the 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:23.640 players start to come in. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.319 You realize that, okay, we're closer, We're one step closer. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.080 And I enjoyed being on that side of it, of course, 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.160 where some real reporting was going on. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.440 It wasn't just rumors and that type of stuff. 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.319 And if you know the game too, as far as 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.440 it goes, and Coach Mack, we've talked about this before. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.479 That's also where the pre free agency sets itself up. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.280 You understand that's the case, and just how serious it 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.200 is to see different gms of different teams walk through 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.640 the hotels and on the streets and just everybody has 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:55.280 their room and everybody has their section of Indianapolis that 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.200 they're working through. But I was also more impressed too 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.560 with watching what you know, analyst's eyes and not player's eyes, 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.080 been shocked by it how interconnected Indianapolis is. You have 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.320 the breeze ways that you don't have to walk outside, 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.480 or the hospitals and the hotels and the convention centers 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:13.239 and stuff like that. 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:14.400 It's a unique place. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.200 And on this side of I enjoyed seeing it without 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.600 a whole lot of pressure and anxiety on me too. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.120 Well, I'm excited to add Ramon to the keep the 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.920 Combine in Indianapolis Forever Club. We have jackets. I'll get 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:28.919 you one, thank you, thank. 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:29.200 You, Look at this. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:30.519 You get gifts after the fact. 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:31.480 Yeah, that's what I'm here for. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:32.400 Rhtt. 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.760 You've been to the Combine with us a bunch of times. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.160 We had the opportunity to talk to a lot of 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.000 different guests here on the OTP. What conversation stuck out 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.639 to you as being exceptionally interesting. 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:47.280 I think I'm always intrigued by what Daniel Jeremiah is 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.960 watching because he's done it for a living. He's been 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.560 a scout and has been around for a long time 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.360 in that regard, played college football, and so I'm always 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:02.440 interested to hear not only what his top fifty is 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.960 as he gets closer in this process, but positionally what 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.399 he's watching for numbers as it pertains to that first 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.240 round of the draft, all those kinds of things. Always 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.919 interested in what he has to say. Charles Davis always 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.079 and then I enjoyed our conversation with Cynthia Freeland too, 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.800 is so good with the numbers. She just brings it 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:24.240 with the numbers. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.640 Mac. You've been to every combine that has ever taken 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.040 place in the. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.480 History of Indianapolis and Indianapolis. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.400 What made twenty twenty four a little unique from past combines? 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.040 Well, it's a television show now, I mean it really is. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.360 And I will say this and again, I'm as old 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.440 school as it gets with a combine because I've been 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.000 there from the start. I was there from when nobody 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.600 could get in except players and coaches. That was it. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.560 I thought that the fans being there added a whole 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.040 lot to it. I thought the fans were great. There 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.560 were sixteen thousand fans in the stand Saturday morning. Wow, 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.000 I mean it was you could feel the juice and 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.440 the energy in there. You could tell that the players 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.320 did too, and the coaches. I sit with different position 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.000 group coaches the whole time, or different people come up 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.440 and sit with me, and everybody commented, you know what, 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.880 because you know, the first thought was they're going to 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.279 have people there, how's that going to be? It was great. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.960 The fans being there were outstanding. And then you know, 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.560 to be there on a historic run with the fans 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.200 just they lost it but it they went crazy and 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.039 it added. It added to the event. Even the last 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.240 day Sunday when the offensive lavemen were working out, there 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.279 were probably three thousand fans there and they applauded every 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.240 one of them as they ran and they did so. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.640 I enjoyed the fans being there, I really did. This time. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.640 I thought it was the best representation of the fans 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.400 since they started allowing fans to come. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:51.840 It seemed to me as we were just kind of 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.880 milling about. One of the conversations that were taking place 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.440 in Indianapolis a lot was that teams are kind of 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.720 changing their approach to the Combine week. Not that they 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.640 aren't coming or that they're not still ingesting the information 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.479 that you need to get, but the approach is a 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.320 little bit different. Is that something that you observed while 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.680 you were there because you stayed there even longer than 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.280 the Titans radio cruited. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.760 Yeah, well there were five head coaches that didn't come, 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.440 so that's twenty seven that did. So everybody is still 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.760 taking information from the combine. But what is going on now? 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.159 The schedule has changed. The schedule's changed. At the Combine 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.280 used to be amy you would stay, everybody'd have to 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.320 stay all week because the interviews went on all week, 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.320 and the interview started at six o'clock at night. They 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.680 started at six o'clock at night, so you once the 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.280 interview started, you were there from six to eleven thirty 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.120 or twelve interviewing, and then up at six o'clock the 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.960 next morning to go catch the weight lift. They've changed 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.680 the schedule so that now the interviews are earlier in 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.600 the week, so if you get your interviews out of 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.880 the way, you can go now position coaches still stay. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.240 All the suites still had people in them all right, 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.480 but I think now changing the schedule the way they 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.920 did allowed guys to come in, get their work done, 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.080 and then leave rather than have to stay the entire week. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.040 Now some people stayed the you know, stayed the entire week, 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.480 myself included, and most most. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:11.800 Of them did. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.320 But I think the change in the schedule, I think 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.880 it's better for the coaches as far as just organization wise, 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.640 and it's much better for the players. It's much better 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.000 for the players. Now you don't have any late night, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:25.560 late late night meetings. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.800 Let's talk a little bit about these players and some 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.640 of the work that we saw in the field and 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.880 I want to start with quarterbacks, right, I'll start with you, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.919 were there any guys who really did a lot to 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.680 help themselves this week kind of make make some money 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:39.640 in Indianapolis. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.640 So a couple that come to mind. One is just 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.760 because some of the top tier quarterbacks didn't work out, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.479 so this is additioned by subtraction, and that would be 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.800 JJ McCarthy from Michigan. They were eighteen players from that 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.760 national championship team invited most ever by one college outfit 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.479 in any of the previous combines. And because Jaden Daniels 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.440 didn't work out there and Caleb Williams and Drake May 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:10.400 so you know, those those things I think helped him 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.840 really have a chance to put himself as probably the 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:18.040 fourth quarterback taken on Night one of the draft, and 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:24.000 then the quarterback from Tulane Pratt. He really had a 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.480 nice combine, had a thirty six sits vertical leap. I 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.920 think he led all quarterbacks in that regard, and we 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.480 saw him at Mobile And of course Taj Spears has 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.320 been telling me about Pratt for a couple of years now. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.679 But he's a guy that including Daniel Jeremiah, thinks that 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:44.840 he's gonna get a chance to play in the league 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.800 at some point. Now he won't be Night one Thursday Night, 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.920 first Round take guy. But those two guys I think 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.600 helped themselves this last week. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.160 I think for sure, like like RTT said, a sameil 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.960 the opt out of some of these other guys and able, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.200 I would say, Joe Milton be put on highlight a 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.440 little bit more. And I'll say this, coaches love measurables 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.880 and at some point some coaches are gonna think they 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:10.840 can coach them up. The same way I feel about 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.119 Spencer Ratler. I don't think he had the greatest showing 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.280 at the combin as far as Spencer Ratler goes, but 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:16.920 he was there, he was available when you got an 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.680 opportunity to see him. Now coaches know what they have 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.760 the opportunity to work with, and that's the same well 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.720 I felt about him and Michael Pennix Junior. Those dudes 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.000 were guys that stayed there and dropped the deep ball 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.640 and maybe they missed that they didn't connect with the 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.120 receivers down the field, But you got an opportunity to 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:32.800 throw a motion, you got an opportunity see some of 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.360 the touch that they had and the ability that they 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.840 like they will compete, and I think those guys needed. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.480 I think Joe Milton needed, I think Spencer Rally needed, 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.400 and I think Michael Pennix junior did also. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.440 And they were middle of the road I think. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.280 But of course you look at their projections and what 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.640 you can see in their skill set and they put 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.120 it on display. Joe's touch was actually better. I feel 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.240 like then it was at the Senior Bowl. I thought 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.559 Spencer Rattler from what we saw at the Spence at 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.280 the Senior Bowl, took a step back. But in the 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.439 spirit of competition, Coaz mc always reminds us don't be 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.760 an incident evaluator, and in that just because he had 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.600 a so so combine throwing, I think his pro day 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.920 can bold well for him with his receivers and what 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:11.760 he's capable of. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:13.840 First rounder no, but as. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.600 Far as depth and growth in the league, he'll have 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.560 the opportunity, Mack with. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.920 Some guys making a name for themselves in Indianapolis, with 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.720 some guys sitting out, how is that going to impact 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.600 the rest of this draft, Because I know you always 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.000 talk about the quarterback draft and then everybody else. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.719 Yeah, Well, I think JJ McCarthy put himself as a 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.640 fourth quarterback. He put himself as a fourth quarterback. So 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.480 what that means is is there's teams at ten, eleven, 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.640 and twelve that need a quarterback. They may be looking 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.240 to trade up because those other those top three will 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.319 be gone. So JJ McCarthy has put himself in that 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.240 in that in that conversation. Now the rest of them 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.880 that that showed up, they are second and third day guys. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.640 They're second, third day guys. Whatever flavor you would like 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.600 to take on them, they're there. Spencer Ratler had a 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.680 better Senior Bowl than he did a combine, but at 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.840 least he did both though I thought, you know, as 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.880 as Ramon said, Michael Pennix was fine, Milton, Look, you 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.520 know every time you go, it's going to be a 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.920 carnival seeing how far he can throw it and how 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:12.719 deep he can throw it. You know, that's number one. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.760 And so now I don't think he changed anybody's mind 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.320 about what he is and where he will be. But 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:24.560 JJ McCarthy elevated himself into that next level here in 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.280 the first round where somebody may trade up to get 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.760 him and may try to jump up to either five, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.600 six or seven, which would include the Titans to try 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.079 to get a quarterback right. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.400 The wide receivers group is a group that we've talked 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.080 about over and over and over and over again. Did 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:41.800 it live up to their billing this week? 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.560 I would say so. Now that's another takeaway from the 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.600 combine overall is it seems like players are getting faster 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:55.240 every year, regardless of position. But nine wide receivers, nine 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.280 of them with a sub four four forty yard dash 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.040 and a lot of them way south of that, including 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.559 the man who broke the record and Xavier Worthy from Texas. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.679 You know, in the conversation that we had with Daniel 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.360 Jeremiah and I can't remember who else we talked to 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.840 for that week for the OTP, Jordan Reid, Yeah, and 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.600 Jordan Reid too, we were talking about, you know, how 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.120 many receivers just might go in the first round. I 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.920 think that number went up after last week. Seven to 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.880 eight was kind of the number in my mind. I 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:30.960 think it's closer to ten. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:32.760 Now do you agree with that? 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:33.480 Idle too? 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.040 And the thing that I don't want to do is 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.800 minimize I've heard some people make the conversation, well they're 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.600 training for the forty, say what you want to about it. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:41.920 These guys are just fast. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.640 You don't have this amount of guys in the sub 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.120 four fours running this speed if they're just not getting fast. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.880 It's going back like to say, sometimes believe what your 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.280 eyes are telling, like believe what you're seeing. And lab 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.680 Maconki you have Ricky Piarsol. Even in the four fours, 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.480 these guys are running. And then for the ones, Exavier 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.959 Logett is a guy I think ran high four four 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.440 maybe four five. You don't deny his playmaking ability though, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.800 that's the conversation that you're having. So as yeah, the 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.959 forty means a lot, but you look at these guys 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.360 separate on the field and the amount of volume that 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.079 they have catching balls in college and of course when 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.959 they're coming up the incorporation of seven on seven. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.960 This is what they do. This is what they're specializing in. 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.280 And I enjoyed watching those guys run, but not just 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.040 that they're performing at a rate that you say to yourself, 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:29.960 if you don't get that top first round or that 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.960 you want the quality and quantity at this point, is 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:35.880 therefore you in the second, third, fourth round. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.560 Also well, r reck I said there were nine wide 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:41.440 receivers under four four, and I said with the receiver coaches, 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.880 I mean everybody was amazed. I mean it was just 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.920 time after time, you know, four four nothing, four three nine, 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.520 I mean all of that stuff. Uh, there were seven 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.880 wide receivers taking in the first round in two thousand 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.199 and four. Okay, I think the number will be eight 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.240 this year. There will be eight in the first in 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.600 the first round this year because to me, I mean 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.320 it's that was an incredible showing. And by the way, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.240 Loget Legett ran a four to three nine there, so 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.320 he put a four to three nine up. So and 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.360 Legett didn't have the greatest Senior Bowl, but he re 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.439 emerged himself with his workout at the combine. You could 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.880 see it, you know, his vertical jump was forty inches. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.599 He was a ten six broad jumper two hundred and 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.680 twenty one pounds, so he rebounded from the Senior Bowl. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.560 So the combine helped Legett regain some traction well. 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.560 And Logett was dealing with a left ankle or a 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.040 lower leg injury on his left leg during the Senior 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.640 Bowl a month before, so he clearly had put in 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.040 the treatment time to get that worked out, and it 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.760 worked out in this case. But to what they're saying about, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.520 you know, these testing numbers, Yes, I think a lot 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:53.040 of it is their confirmation on what scouts and evaluators 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.800 have seen previously. Like I think about that that great 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.320 OTP that you did with Dane Brugler f the athletic 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.560 He said that fall in love with the tape, not 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.440 the tag, and that he meaning the tag that you 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.000 put on your big board in the war room. Don't 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:08.680 don't fall in love with that name on that tag. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.840 Fall in love with the tape that you have seen. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.480 That is the evidence that you need to see for 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.200 not only the skill set, but the athletic measurables, all 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:16.800 those things. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.840 Well, let's talk about that a little bit, because, as 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.680 you guys mentioned earlier, Xavier Worthy broke the record for 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.000 forty time at the combine. Four two one was that time, 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.480 which is rather quick, It's very exciting. It was really 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.000 an exciting thing to watch. Mac you were there, I'm 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.840 sure it was bananas. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.680 The place erupted. Let me tell you the story about it. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.040 You know, first of all, now the numbers that you 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.960 know for the ot people, the numbers they post on television, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.760 those are not official numbers and so when he ran 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.000 his first, he ran, he ran his first four to two, 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.600 ran four to two. Five. All right, But the timers, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.320 the timers, of course, I'm anyway, I know what was 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.720 going on. The timers told him, hey, you're close, because 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.160 a lot of time, a lot of them hadn't faster 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.920 than four to five. He had gone, he had walked out, 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.560 he had taken his shoes off, he was done. And 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.520 then when they told him, well, you're close, he went okay. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.080 So he so he started lacing them back up, and 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.480 the crowd went nuts when they saw him. Now they 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:15.920 were clear at the other end of the field with ay, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.320 they were watching him. He starts lacing them back up, 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.720 and then people are going wow because normally, you know, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.800 dudes run, run a good time, they're done, you know 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.880 with that part of it. And plus I don't think 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:27.520 he was going to do any drills anyway. He was 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.760 there to run, all right, because if you know worthy 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.560 and and and and you and you watch him, I 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.880 mean he's six to one. I mean, but the guys 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.000 weighs one hundred and sixty five pounds. Okay, Now, don't 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.560 let that fool you, because he's got massive production at 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.360 the University of Texas. He and ad Mitchell were legitimate 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.160 dudes with the ball in the air there, so he 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.720 starts lacing them back up. Well, then he gets back 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.000 down there. Now everybody the whole the whole building, because 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.480 he's the last one, they go alphabetically worthy W I mean, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.720 I had a good education. It's it's at the end 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.240 of the It's at the end. Okay, it's at the end. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.240 So when he took off. When he took off, everybody's going, 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.040 you can tell. Some of those guys can run, and 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.320 like I say, someone can run, run, but this guy run, run, run. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.920 I mean you were everybody was watching that. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:16.760 Go whoa. 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.720 Okay, Now the time came out, okay at four two two, 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:22.960 all right, and of course he you know, he does 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.720 a victory lap at four two two, but that's not 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.240 an official time. So I'm watching him. I'm watching him, 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:29.840 and all of a sudden, you know, one of the 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.200 timers turns around to me and goes and I go. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.760 So that's when I texted the whole Titans radio crew. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.960 I said he may had two to one wow on 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:41.280 the official well. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:41.840 TJ. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.360 Huschman Zada was one of the receivers that was down there, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.040 you know, as a as a mentor to those guys. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:51.080 He and Michael Irving and Steve Smith and Michael Irving 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.720 Steve Smith were doing they were doing a streaming thing. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.520 So all of a sudden, I see TJ grab a 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.000 group of guys and he goes over to xavier' worthy 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.359 and he starts looking posts to the phone and shows 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.680 him this, and all of a sudden Worthy just screams 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.000 and runs out of the building. He just takes off, 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.200 running right through the tunnel. And then so t J 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.080 huschmans and is on, come on back, come on back, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.280 come on back. And then he was telling him that 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.720 the official was. You know, they already it was four 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.280 two one, and so then later on they announced it. 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.480 Well that's why I sent it to you guys on 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.000 that text chain. I said he maybe four to two 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.280 one official, and he was. And then after that he 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:34.200 was that that to me is is that's insane speed? Really, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.359 you know, now he's got no pads on, he's got 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.080 but you watch him play, he plays fast. He's fast fast. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.919 But that was a moment, that was it. It It 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.040 ignited the entire place, and there was a buzz about 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:47.680 it inside for the rest of the time. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.840 Does that impact his drafts sock. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.119 I don't think so. I don't. I don't think we 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.000 knew he was fast. I mean, it's not like all 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:55.840 of a sudden, you know, you were looking at a 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.560 plow horse and he was a race horse. I mean 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.560 he could, he could always run. But just the fact, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.040 I tell, I tell you what may impact a little bit, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.560 just in the in coaches thinking, he laced his shoes 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.119 back up and went again. The competitive nature of the 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.800 dude going, you know what, I'm gonna go after it 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.479 instead of just saying I'm fine, I'm good. It's kind 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.320 of like Roma Dunesay did when he stayed and I 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.840 stayed and watched him do the three cone drill about 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.960 fifteen times because he kept hitting the third cone and 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.080 they don't count it, and he says, I want to 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.880 get it done. When everybody was gone, everybody was out 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.120 of the building, and he was going to get it right. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.040 So you look at a lot of things this, but 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.320 what you try to glean from, you know, the perimeter 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.520 of it, is some of their competitiveness and that will 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.240 stick out big time. Four two one will always be 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.439 there in history. But just the fact that how he 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.800 did it, the fact that how he did it and 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.439 went back and went after it. I appreciated that. 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:58.800 So I was watching this unfold on NFL Network and 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.720 I think I heard Rich Eyes and Daniel Jeremiah saying, 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.880 I think it was like sixteen thousand fans could the 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.600 buzz was starting to build, and then when he popped it, 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:14.920