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Speaker 1: FBHP dot com. I'm Amy Wells and we have all

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Speaker 1: returned to Ascension Saint Thomas Sports Park here in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: Brian is here, Coach Mack of course is here, and

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Speaker 1: Ramone Foster. We're all recovering from the week that was

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis at the twenty twenty four Scouting Combine, and

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Speaker 1: so I figured we had to all get together and

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Speaker 1: kind of just debrief, really review what has happened, and

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Speaker 1: then we can move forward with the pre draft process.

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Speaker 1: And I guess we should start with Ramone, who was

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Speaker 1: at his first, second but first scouting combine as a observer,

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Speaker 1: as an analyst as opposed to a participant. What did

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Speaker 1: you think?

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Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoyed it. You got an opportunity to see

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Speaker 2: the NFL work. This wasn't like a bunch of outsiders

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Speaker 2: of people trying to sell you product. This was about

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Speaker 2: the game. Well there was something that can enhance the

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Speaker 2: players as far as that type of product placement or

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Speaker 2: just simply watching agents be at dinner with their players.

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Speaker 2: Watching coaches walk around downtown Indianapolis and just be guys

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Speaker 2: and just seeing the different circles and groups and the

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Speaker 2: players start to come in.

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Speaker 3: You realize that, okay, we're closer, We're one step closer.

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Speaker 2: And I enjoyed being on that side of it, of course,

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Speaker 2: where some real reporting was going on.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just rumors and that type of stuff.

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Speaker 2: And if you know the game too, as far as

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Speaker 2: it goes, and Coach Mack, we've talked about this before.

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Speaker 2: That's also where the pre free agency sets itself up.

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Speaker 2: You understand that's the case, and just how serious it

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Speaker 2: is to see different gms of different teams walk through

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Speaker 2: the hotels and on the streets and just everybody has

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Speaker 2: their room and everybody has their section of Indianapolis that

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Speaker 2: they're working through. But I was also more impressed too

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Speaker 2: with watching what you know, analyst's eyes and not player's eyes,

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Speaker 2: been shocked by it how interconnected Indianapolis is. You have

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Speaker 3: It's a unique place.

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Speaker 2: And on this side of I enjoyed seeing it without

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of pressure and anxiety on me too.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to add Ramon to the keep the

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Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis Forever Club. We have jackets. I'll get

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Speaker 1: you one, thank you, thank.

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Speaker 4: You, Look at this.

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Speaker 3: You get gifts after the fact.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm here for.

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Speaker 4: Rhtt.

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Speaker 1: You've been to the Combine with us a bunch of times.

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Speaker 1: We had the opportunity to talk to a lot of

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Speaker 1: different guests here on the OTP. What conversation stuck out

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Speaker 1: to you as being exceptionally interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm always intrigued by what Daniel Jeremiah is

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Speaker 4: watching because he's done it for a living. He's been

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Speaker 4: a scout and has been around for a long time

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Speaker 4: in that regard, played college football, and so I'm always

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Speaker 4: interested to hear not only what his top fifty is

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Speaker 4: as he gets closer in this process, but positionally what

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Speaker 4: he's watching for numbers as it pertains to that first

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Speaker 4: round of the draft, all those kinds of things. Always

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Speaker 4: interested in what he has to say. Charles Davis always

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Speaker 4: and then I enjoyed our conversation with Cynthia Freeland too,

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Speaker 4: is so good with the numbers. She just brings it

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Speaker 1: Mac. You've been to every combine that has ever taken

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Speaker 5: History of Indianapolis and Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: What made twenty twenty four a little unique from past combines?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a television show now, I mean it really is.

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Speaker 5: And I will say this and again, I'm as old

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Speaker 5: I thought that the fans being there added a whole

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Speaker 5: The schedule has changed. The schedule's changed. At the Combine

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Speaker 5: All the suites still had people in them all right,

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Speaker 5: Now some people stayed the you know, stayed the entire week,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about these players and some

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Speaker 1: of the work that we saw in the field and

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Speaker 4: So a couple that come to mind. One is just

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy from Michigan. They were eighteen players from that

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Speaker 4: then the quarterback from Tulane Pratt. He really had a

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Speaker 4: nice combine, had a thirty six sits vertical leap. I

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Speaker 4: But he's a guy that including Daniel Jeremiah, thinks that

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Speaker 4: at some point. Now he won't be Night one Thursday Night,

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Speaker 2: I would say, Joe Milton be put on highlight a

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Speaker 2: Spencer Ratler. I don't think he had the greatest showing

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Speaker 2: I felt about him and Michael Pennix Junior. Those dudes

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Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler from what we saw at the Spence at

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Speaker 2: Far as depth and growth in the league, he'll have

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Speaker 1: Some guys making a name for themselves in Indianapolis, with

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Speaker 5: what that means is is there's teams at ten, eleven,

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Speaker 5: in that in that conversation. Now the rest of them

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Speaker 5: to take on them, they're there. Spencer Ratler had a

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Speaker 5: And so now I don't think he changed anybody's mind

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Speaker 5: Also well, r reck I said there were nine wide

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that a little bit, because, as

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Speaker 5: The place erupted. Let me tell you the story about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, ramon, when you see someone you talk about kind

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Speaker 2: I do, And I'll say what coach Mack said just

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Speaker 2: gonna have to be a teamer. Where are you fitting

438
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Speaker 2: into the special teams first, if that's a part of

439
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Speaker 2: your identity, or where can we incorporate you in these

440
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Speaker 2: spot plays when we put you out there and training

441
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Speaker 2: camp and OTAs in mini camp. We need to see

442
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Speaker 2: that speed making plays. I've seen a lot of guys

443
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Speaker 2: either be real strong, real big, real to all those

444
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Speaker 2: types of things, but the utilization of what you're born with.

445
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Speaker 2: He was born with that speed four to two one

446
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Speaker 2: may have been trained into him, but you need to

447
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Speaker 2: be able to see those types of things equate to.

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Speaker 3: The football field.

449
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Speaker 2: It's just like you see slow receivers just continuously catch

450
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Speaker 2: passes and stuff like that. Well, that's because they become

451
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Speaker 2: a special of being a wide receiver. The speed is

452
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Speaker 2: a caveat to what got you in the door. His

453
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Speaker 2: ability to make plays with that speed is going to

454
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Speaker 2: be something to wear veterans I've seen in the locker room,

455
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Speaker 2: whether you're a first rounder with a lot of praise,

456
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Speaker 2: or your guy that has a special tool like speed

457
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Speaker 2: or strength or your ability to throw the ball really

458
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Speaker 2: hard and fast, that doesn't matter in the NFL unless

459
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Speaker 2: we actually see it on the field. And that's the

460
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Speaker 2: beauty about it too. And we've all had those conversations.

461
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Speaker 2: Combinding these measurables gets you in the door. Your playmaking

462
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Speaker 2: ability keeps you in the door in those football facilities

463
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Speaker 2: in those thirty two cities.

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Speaker 5: One more thing about the speed. If you'll look at

465
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Speaker 5: the at the at the top numbers in the combine

466
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Speaker 5: over the last ten years, there's really maybe I know

467
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Speaker 5: one guy, maybe two guys that turned out to really

468
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Speaker 5: be players, player players, CJ two K. CJ two K

469
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Speaker 5: was a player four two four. He held it for

470
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Speaker 5: a long time until John Ross. John Ross not such

471
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Speaker 5: a great player, just you know, an up and down career.

472
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Speaker 5: So the speed is one factor, and that's that's to

473
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Speaker 5: Ramon's point. I mean it it kind of is, you know,

474
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Speaker 5: because everybody, if you're watching, if you're watching on television,

475
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Speaker 5: that's the one thing you can equate to is that

476
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Speaker 5: guy's fast. But you know the nuances of watching them

477
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Speaker 5: work out, breaking down tape, grinding tape, all of that

478
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Speaker 5: weighs a little bit more than the speed. But the

479
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Speaker 5: speed part of it, if it is also with football ability,

480
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Speaker 5: that's when you've got a player. So as I said,

481
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Speaker 5: if you look at the if you look at the

482
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Speaker 5: top nine or ten that have got the top speed

483
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Speaker 5: in the history of the combine. Not very many turned

484
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Speaker 5: out to be just legendary players.

485
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Speaker 3: C J.

486
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Speaker 5: Two K is a legendary player, you know.

487
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Speaker 4: So anyway, Yeah, that's the That's the whole story of

488
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Speaker 4: the draft as it has become more popular and become

489
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Speaker 4: such a thing that everyone views, is that, Okay, there's

490
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Speaker 4: athletes out there, but are you a football player? Because

491
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Speaker 4: if you got the marriage of the two, you probably

492
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Speaker 4: got the makings of a really good player, maybe even

493
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Speaker 4: an elite level player.

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Speaker 2: And so adds to that, Coach Mack was saying, saying,

495
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Speaker 2: John Ross, I was in a division that played him

496
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Speaker 2: two times a year, and I never forget the tag

497
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Speaker 2: that you carry one. You're the fastest guy ever at

498
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Speaker 2: the Combine. We couldn't wait to see him. Why because

499
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Speaker 2: I need to see your speed. And you know what

500
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Speaker 2: happens when you get those veteran DB's that's been in

501
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Speaker 2: the league for seven years. They gonna punch you dead

502
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Speaker 2: in your test because one, I know your feather way.

503
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Speaker 2: Two can you escape and get off the line of scrimmage?

504
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Speaker 2: And then if you can get past me, how fast

505
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Speaker 2: are you to get open? It's one thing to be

506
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Speaker 2: fast but are you good enough to separate. That's one

507
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Speaker 2: of the things we've liked about Ricky Parsol when we

508
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Speaker 2: watched them at the Senior ball lad McConkie is you

509
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Speaker 2: can get open. That's one of the things I don't think.

510
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Speaker 2: Steve Smith Senior was a fast wide receiver, but he

511
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Speaker 2: always got open. That's the separator to me when we

512
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Speaker 2: look at those tools that you're born with naturally, is

513
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Speaker 2: what happens when you actually use them.

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Speaker 5: As a head coach, I drafted on the slowest receivers

515
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Speaker 5: in the combine one year. Had to have him.

516
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Speaker 3: Who was it?

517
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Speaker 5: And Gwambolin? He ran four seven to one.

518
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Speaker 4: Worked out pretty good player, I think so.

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Speaker 1: Titans fans, Ken fan speaking of guys that don't run

525
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Speaker 1: very fast the offensive line, Sorry, wait.

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Speaker 5: A minute, I'm going to take a little umbrage to that.

527
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Speaker 5: Are you yes? These guys ran this this year and

528
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Speaker 5: and I'm going to say something else, and then you

529
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Speaker 5: wouldn't go on, You're you're directing this thing. I don't

530
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Speaker 5: know why they make these big guys run forty of

531
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Speaker 5: Tell coach they don't, they should run twenty. The second

532
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Speaker 5: group that ran four hamstring pops out of the second

533
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Speaker 5: group on the second run on one of them was

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Speaker 5: on the first run. Uh, I don't. And again they've

535
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Speaker 5: done it for years. But whenever, whenever you're looking at

536
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Speaker 5: an offensive lineman, you look at my notebook, first thing

537
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Speaker 5: I wrote was our ten yard split. That's the that's

538
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Speaker 5: the split I looked at. I don't know why they

539
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Speaker 5: make these big men run forty yards, but anyway, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: So what's the alternative though, Just make them run ten

541
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Speaker 1: or don't make them run.

542
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Speaker 2: It all twenty twenty in a cut maybe, or set

543
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Speaker 2: them up like it's a screen one two steps and

544
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Speaker 2: get out in his face, because that's.

545
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Speaker 3: Going to be where they're utilize more.

546
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Speaker 2: Rah offensive lineman running the forty in the football game.

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Speaker 2: You know what, you call that an interception in the

548
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Speaker 2: other direction, that interception.

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Speaker 4: Normally, you're not asking those guys to do that at

550
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Speaker 4: all and in his and in max observation of all

551
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Speaker 4: those hamstring pops, they came between the thirty and forty

552
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Speaker 4: yard marks, every single one of them. So twenty probably

553
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Speaker 4: a better option.

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Speaker 2: But to that same conversation, though, these guys have gotten

555
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Speaker 2: faster offso oh yes, wasn't a lot of fours in

556
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Speaker 2: this group, but they're teetering on five flat, five O one,

557
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Speaker 2: five oh two. You got a guy in Joe All

558
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Speaker 2: at six nine, and I think he added a little

559
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Speaker 2: muscle to him too in this time, because I think

560
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Speaker 2: they had him listed about three twelve eves, three twenties,

561
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Speaker 2: three twenty one, three twenty one ran a five o

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Speaker 2: five at six ' nine. Just his body size and length.

563
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Speaker 2: You don't expect them to run like that at that weight.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't just him Emeritus Mems. I saw his

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Speaker 2: second run live and I say, oh, he moving, And

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Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, he ran a five oh five. Also, yes, no,

567
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Speaker 2: five seven, three hundred and forty pounds like you don't

568
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Speaker 2: move like that. And that's why I also think eventually

569
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Speaker 2: the NFL, with where it is right now, and I've

570
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Speaker 2: said this before, I think we're gonna get back to

571
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Speaker 2: a bruising style of ball. Like I love the idea

572
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Speaker 2: that we're passing the ball around. But these guys are

573
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Speaker 2: so big and so fast and so iegile now that

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Speaker 2: you may be able to just build the running game

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Speaker 2: the way it was. I'm not talking late nineties, early

576
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Speaker 2: two thousands, but the idea that the run game may

577
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Speaker 2: show his head more prevalent in today's game, I think

578
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Speaker 2: we'll see more of that because these guys are so

579
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Speaker 2: much bigger and faster and athletic than even I mean,

580
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Speaker 2: five six years ago.

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Speaker 5: The drills they do for the offensive linement are really

582
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Speaker 5: good positional drills. They do the Penning polls, and they

583
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Speaker 5: time the penn And polls, they tie the penn And polls.

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Speaker 5: All of those things they do are really good. I

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Speaker 5: just I just don't know what you're getting from a

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Speaker 5: forty yard dash.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what a penn And poll is. I don't

588
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Speaker 1: know what that means.

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Speaker 5: I will tell you, thank you. Ramon is the tackle, Okay,

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Speaker 5: I'm the guard. Okay, defensive players right here, I am

591
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Speaker 5: the pen guy. I'm gonna block down on this guy,

592
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Speaker 5: and kind Ramon is going to pull around me to

593
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Speaker 5: move up on the linebacker.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

595
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Speaker 5: What it does is it replaces gaps for linebackers. It

596
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Speaker 5: changes it changes gap schemes, and then the down lineman

597
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Speaker 5: always have to worry about not only the man over

598
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Speaker 5: them that you're playing against, but they have to worry

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Speaker 5: about the man to their inside. So you'll hear when

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Speaker 5: they when you know, you hear me on the broadcast

601
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Speaker 5: and saying, well, this is a Penning pull scheme. You

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Speaker 5: call it counter o, counter ot, call it whatever you

603
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Speaker 5: want to. It's blocking down and then pulling lineman from

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Speaker 5: the opposite side to swab a hole and create a

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Speaker 5: new line of scrimmage on the opposite.

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Speaker 3: Side, creating angles for run lanes.

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Speaker 2: You're getting a guy instead of having the defensive lineman

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Speaker 2: come up the field as Coach Mac just said, and

609
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Speaker 2: knocked them off by hitting him in the hip, the

610
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Speaker 2: guy pulling around put them up on the second level

611
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Speaker 2: to block the linebacker.

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Speaker 3: Better angles that way creating.

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Speaker 5: But they have this is very informative here. They have.

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Speaker 5: They have good drills now for that, and they time

615
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Speaker 5: it at the combinet.

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Speaker 1: In watching some of these drills and watching these guys

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Speaker 1: work out. We had talked leading up to the combine

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Speaker 1: that it seemed like there was a bit of a separation.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of talent within the offensive line group,

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Speaker 1: but there were a couple who had separated themselves to

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Speaker 1: be the elite at the top of the group, and

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Speaker 1: then there was a little bit of a gap between

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Speaker 1: the rest of them. They they fill in that gap

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Tallyfuaga from Oregon State has probably helped his cause in that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's if we're if we're talking the week

627
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Speaker 4: of the draft, I think coach Mack and I would

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Speaker 4: agree that in that first pod or tier of tackles,

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be Joe alt Olu Fashanu from Penn State,

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Speaker 4: and then you can start to fill in a Tally

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Speaker 4: Fuaga from Oregon State, you know, maybe an Amarus Mems

632
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Speaker 4: maybe from uh maybe h Tyler Guidon from Oklahoma. I mean,

633
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Speaker 4: there's there's several there that you're going to be there,

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Speaker 4: may be going to be in the bottom of that

635
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Speaker 4: first pod, but the first two that are there are

636
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Speaker 4: still Joe alt Olu fashion it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think J. C. Latham is in is in

638
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Speaker 5: that is in that top tier, and the Marius Maams

639
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Speaker 5: moved himself up. This is the mountain of a man.

640
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: He is a mountain of a man. You see him

641
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Speaker 5: standing next to normal humans down there on the floor.

642
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Speaker 5: It's not even funny. But I think those guys there.

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Speaker 5: But then as he says, you know, RHDT said the

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Speaker 5: Fuaga Tyler gotten Fontineau, the guy that that kind of

645
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Speaker 5: jumped up. Now he's not in this level, but you know,

646
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Speaker 5: I like to watch lower tier guys too. Was a

647
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Speaker 5: guy that we liked, that I liked and we talked

648
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Speaker 5: about at the Senior Bowl was at Tanner Bartolini, the

649
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Speaker 5: Center from Wisconsin. He tested out. He tested out there,

650
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Speaker 5: so all of a sudden he's helped himself. But there

651
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Speaker 5: are to me, they'll probably be in the first round.

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Speaker 5: I would say, six tackles.

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Speaker 4: Wow, And it's there's a chance that someone deems their

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Speaker 4: guy a first round gray guy because you don't know

655
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 4: what the other folks are doing. I mean, the most

656
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: since the AFL NFL merger in nineteen seventy was seven

657
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: tackles in two thousand and eight, the Matt Ryan year

658
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 4: that he was drafted a quarterback. There's been several years

659
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 4: where six was a play. It's at least that and

660
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 4: there's a chance that could tie that or if it's

661
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: a crazy night, bust it. But just looking at the

662
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 4: testing of this, I've taken notes while these old linemen

663
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: ran on Sunday. Tanner Bordolini both forties, handsome his ten

664
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Speaker 4: yard split one six nine well, Joe alt at nearly

665
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: six nine, three hundred and twenty two pounds his ten

666
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: split one seven three and one seven to four, respectively.

667
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: Central Florida offensive lineman Tayland Grable both of his forties

668
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 4: sub four nine nine uh, Frank Crumb from Wyoming who

669
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: had the blonde lettuce as they call it, just huge,

670
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: long flowing locks four nine four forty. And then there's

671
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 4: a a from a different level of school. South Dakota

672
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: State's Garrett Greenfield six six three eleven highest set the

673
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: record for vertical jump for an offensive lineman at thirty

674
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 4: eight and a half inches. These guys are ridiculous, but

675
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: at the top they're game changers. And what we were

676
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 4: saying earlier about, okay, we got an athlete here, do

677
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: we have a football player? I think that's what a

678
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: Marius Mems is trying to show. Because he only had

679
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: eight career starts at Georgia. All the other things are there,

680
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 4: at almost eighty seven inch wingspan, I mean can reach

681
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: around the corner and tap you on the shoulder and

682
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 4: then move his hand and go who is that.

683
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Speaker 1: Now? Yeah, Ramon, you're having like a response to some

684
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: of these numbers. Why is this so impressive to you?

685
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: Because again, the sizes of these dudes is what's getting like.

686
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: These dudes aren't like they're just I feel like for

687
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: a while, the NFL got lighter as far as the

688
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: interior guys, I mean, the offensive line guys went and

689
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: they try to go more athletic, and I even see

690
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: some of these guys coming in now as recruit watching

691
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: recruits watching the college world. They're coming into like through

692
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: sixty then trimming down to like three forty three thirty.

693
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: But they're athletes like I always thought of Marius Mims

694
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: was big. I thought JC Latham at Alabama was big,

695
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: and then you see them coach mack as you just said,

696
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: like Amarius Memmes. I'm not sure if there's a better

697
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: looking offensive line prospect as far as just body type

698
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: that you say to yourself, if he's got the right coach,

699
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: to right system, right mind, and you expect them to

700
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: have that always coming out as a five star guy,

701
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: then he should be a pro on either the right

702
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: side or the left side. And then you see a

703
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: guy like jac Latham that may be a little bit

704
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: more softer of a body. Then let's go a Marius Mims.

705
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: But then you see the way he moves, you watch

706
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: his tate and when you're talking about is he a

707
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: football player?

708
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: Yes they are.

709
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: And it's not even just we spoke about the six

710
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: or seven tackles that may go in the first round.

711
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the top one hundred potentially in that

712
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: you have Cooper BB, you have Jackson Powers Johnson. You

713
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: may have a talent guy. You have a Jordan Morgan,

714
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: Alice Fraser, you got the Yukon guard. Also, who are

715
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: top quality guys like to be able to spread around

716
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: this wealth? You two guys easily in that one hundred,

717
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: and not even to mention the guys that you.

718
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: Say, yeah, we can coach him up.

719
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: There's there's a guy or two that this is gonna

720
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: be a project that can bode well for you. I

721
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: think you've got more quality and I gotta give credit

722
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: to the portal. You gotta give credit to the COVID

723
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: year potentially to them getting an extra year, or maybe

724
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: these guys that may be coming out younger having to

725
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: sit behind an older guy and watch them be pros

726
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: in college too. So there are some benefit to it.

727
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: And you just got to appreciate the bigs. Like I said,

728
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: I was just amazed at the agility and speed of

729
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: them at their size.

730
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be three forty six running a

731
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: five flat.

732
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Speaker 5: You know. And and again it was just it was

733
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: fun to watch that group. It really was, because you know,

734
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 5: and and we're and we like to dig a little

735
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 5: deeper here on the OTP, you know, rather than just

736
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 5: the bigger names. I mean, we've talked about Tanner Bartolini,

737
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 5: Brandon Coleman, the guard from TCU six four three thirteen

738
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 5: ran four nine nine. I mean, he'll be a fourth rounder,

739
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: but he vertical jumped thirty four inches, you know that

740
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: at that big Mason mccarmick, because the guard center from

741
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 5: South Dakota, you know, I mean, I mean the guy

742
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 5: the five o eight forty, I mean you watch him,

743
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 5: he can move. Christian Jones, the offensive lineman from from Texas.

744
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 5: He's an offensive tackle sixty five three oh five. I

745
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 5: mean there's a that's the third round guy right there

746
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 5: that had a solid Senior Bowl, but he showed out

747
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 5: here at the come and of course we went through.

748
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 5: I mean Joe walt Is, you look at him, you

749
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 5: go okay.

750
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 4: The guard from Boston College, Christian Mahagan.

751
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 5: Christian Mahogany.

752
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

753
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 5: I mean, so what these guys are saying is one

754
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: under true and then and then uh Fuaga and and Fontono,

755
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: the Morgan State and Washington. These dudes are up there.

756
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 5: You got a lot. I tell you guy, another guy too,

757
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 5: because I watched these guys because we might need on.

758
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 5: Uh is Roger Rosengarten from Washington, the offensive tackle that

759
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 5: was that that we watched down there at six five,

760
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 5: three oh eight four nine to two. Good movement. I

761
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 5: mean everybody was saying, he's a guard. Will you watch

762
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 5: his movement? I mean he could be a tackle the

763
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 5: way he moved his feet out there. So all of

764
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 5: these guys did themselves. Zach Frazier from West Virginia, the

765
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 5: city that Christian, the guy he was talking about. I

766
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 5: mean I watched these guys pretty close, and you're get

767
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 5: you get a good player that can play for you

768
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 5: for six or eight years. On the third and fourth round,

769
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 5: you're happy, and some of these got they're going to

770
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 5: go that.

771
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: Deep here on the OTP. We we don't discriminate. We

772
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: like all the parts of a football game, and we

773
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: have only been talking about offense the entire time that

774
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: we've been here. So I feel the need before we

775
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: wrap this up to at least acknowledge that there were

776
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: defensive players in Indianapolis, because there were, and there were

777
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: some guys who really had great showings. And so I'd

778
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: like to hear from each of you, maybe just a

779
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: defensive player or two who really stood out to you,

780
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: because I feel bad that we're not giving that whole

781
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: side of the ball any love, and they deserve it,

782
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: or at least some of them do, right, Mack, I look.

783
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 5: For nickel corners were outstanding. The corners were outstanding. And

784
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 5: let me just give you some names of nickel corners.

785
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 5: These are not the guys on the edge. These are

786
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 5: nickel corners. DAYK One Hardy from Penn State forty two

787
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 5: and a half inch vertical jump. I mean, the dude

788
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 5: is going to play over the slot. Andrew Phillips from

789
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 5: Kentucky for to two inch vertical jump that shows you

790
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 5: the explosion. Max Melton from Rutgers Mike Keith's favorite interview

791
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 5: at the Senior Bowl Max Melton eleven to four broad jump.

792
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: I mean he is a bull terrier and he will

793
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 5: be there. Mike Santastril from Michigan ten to eleven broad jump.

794
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 5: He's going to be a nice, nice nickel in this league.

795
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 5: Those are the nickel guys that I was watching just expressly.

796
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: And then I'll let these guys go into the other

797
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 5: guys the edges because the how many ran for four

798
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 5: or less there? I think there were nine that ran

799
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 5: four four or less their players there at the cornerback.

800
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 5: That's a deep position.

801
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: I think our OTP listeners know about Braden Fist, so

802
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna mention him anymore in the combine

803
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: that he had.

804
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: But there's three other d tackles that I.

805
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: Fell in love with watching the numbers and just watching

806
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: their take two, and it's Ruka Roho out of Clemson.

807
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: Big body guy can still got so much room to grow.

808
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins Junior also him was a guy his measurables

809
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: pretty much lined with what his dad did out of Michigan.

810
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: That was insane to see that one I played against

811
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: his dad name's got a kid potentially.

812
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: Going in the second or third round.

813
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: And then the other one was Dwayne Carter, another big

814
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: body guy to Duke that performed well. And you can

815
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: say to yourself, as much as we talk about this

816
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: offensive line here in Tennessee, there is a need for

817
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: defensive tackle help too. I like these guys, and we

818
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: heard Brian Callahan talk about he want guys some big programs.

819
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: These students all play big ball and understand how to

820
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: play it in Each one of them has a mean

821
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: streak in them that I enjoy and like you paired

822
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: it up with a guy like Jeffrey Simmons. I mean again,

823
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 2: the body types of these dude suggests that they can

824
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: be space eaters but also playmakers.

825
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: To Dwayne Carter from Duke is one of those that

826
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: I think coaches are going to try to figure out

827
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: where does he play because he played on every position

828
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 4: on the defensive line in his time as a Blue Devil. There.

829
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 4: I've got three guys, and I will mention Braden Fisk

830
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: from Florida State because uh, here's this guy at six

831
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 4: three two, one of our one of my favorite interviews

832
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: from the Senior Bowl. H thirty three and a half

833
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: inch vertical leap, nine foot nine inch broad jump, forty

834
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 4: yard dash four seven eight. In fact, he was one

835
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: of seven defensive linemen with a sub five second forty

836
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 4: yard dash. And then uh, Marshawn Neeland, his former team

837
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: eight who still was at Western Michigan, Marshawn Kneeland sixty

838
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 4: three two sixty seven seven O two three cone drill,

839
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 4: thirty three and a half inch vertical leap nine eleven

840
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 4: broad of four to seven five forty and then a

841
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: safety that I've kind of been watching out of Oregon,

842
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: Evan Williams. Evan Williams forty and a half inch vertical

843
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 4: leap ten six broad. Golly, I mean there's so many.

844
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 4: And then these defensive players, I mean, one of the

845
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: top pass rushers at the top from Alabama Dallas Turner

846
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: four four six forty Chop Robinson Penn State four four

847
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: eight forty.

848
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 5: Uh.

849
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 4: Some of these guys have got some wheels. But I

850
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: really like Marshawn Neeland and I really like Braden Fisk

851
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 4: to go with them.

852
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 5: The names that they're bringing are guys that are that

853
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 5: are second third day guys, which is important because the

854
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 5: Dallas Turners, the Jared versus those guys are gone. Yep, Okay,

855
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 5: they're gonna be They're gonna be gone gone, and rightfully so.

856
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: Chop Robinson worked himself right up into that at the combine.

857
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 5: So these names are bringing up the draft is much

858
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 5: more than about the first round.

859
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: It is.

860
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: I got one one guy I think took his stock

861
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: up even more and we talked about him at the

862
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: Singing Bowl at cornerback Quinyon Mitchell.

863
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 5: Coach, Look, Quenyon Mitchell is no longer You're right.

864
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the worst kept secret in this draft.

865
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 5: It is no secret he may be And I said,

866
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 5: with a big group of defensive back coaches, they're looking

867
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 5: like because you know, Terry and Arnold is a really

868
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 5: clean player. He ran four five Now he's the number

869
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 5: one corner. He ran me. But he's a very clean player.

870
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: He's sticky, he's instinctive, played at Alabama, he's and.

871
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Speaker 4: He mercial because he went from safety to corner.

872
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Speaker 5: He may very well be the first corner taken. But

873
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Speaker 5: Quon Mitchell has done nothing but elevate himself in the

874
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Speaker 5: eyes of people that make a decision in the National

875
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Speaker 5: Football League.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I bring that up culture back is

877
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Speaker 2: he may be middle first round, and let's say somebody

878
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Speaker 2: want to deal with the Titans, and you got to

879
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Speaker 2: decide if you.

880
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: Want to go get a corner, you want to go

881
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Speaker 3: get a tackle, or if there's an edge.

882
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Speaker 2: Because the quarterback draft, as you always speak about, pushes

883
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Speaker 2: you back and also pushes.

884
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: Good talent back like Queenum.

885
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Speaker 2: Mitchell may be hard to pass on just because of

886
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Speaker 2: what you expect him to do and what he's already

887
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Speaker 2: done in college, and of course his numbers.

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Speaker 5: Let me tell you something else about that. We talk

889
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Speaker 5: about getting into the mindset of guys. Now, he had

890
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 5: a chance to get in that transfer portal numbers of times,

891
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 5: but he said, you know what, Toledo gave me a chance.

892
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 5: I'm going to stay here at Toledo. And he's done

893
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Speaker 5: not only that, but he's worked himself every test that

894
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Speaker 5: he's been giving. The Senior Bowl was a huge test.

895
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 5: He stepped up, mastered it, the combine, mastered it. But

896
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Speaker 5: the fact that he said, you know what, I'll stay

897
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Speaker 5: here because they gave me.

898
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Speaker 4: A very pat Tillman esque very much so in term

899
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Speaker 4: of loyalty and staying in a spot. Quinyon Mitchell will

900
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Speaker 4: be a footnote at his college at Toledo. He'll just

901
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: be the second player in their athletic history that has

902
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 4: been drafted in the first round of the draft. Decades ago.

903
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 4: Dan Williams, a defensive lineman who had a nice career,

904
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: was a first round pick out of there. He'll be

905
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 4: the first first round pick out of the Mac Conference

906
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: since the Titans to Corey Davis in twenty seventeen. He

907
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 4: I mean it's done. I mean he I would be

908
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: shocked if he wasn't a first round pick, and I

909
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Speaker 4: don't think that's gonna happen.

910
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Speaker 3: It's even cooler too with him.

911
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: He's supposed to run fast, oh right, with his projections

912
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: twenty reps on it two twenty five?

913
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Speaker 5: Thank you?

914
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: Can we mention that, like everybody got something dirty about that.

915
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: We're talking about the big boys running right, ain't what

916
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: will we do?

917
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Speaker 3: Okay, little guys.

918
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Speaker 2: Don't bench like this. They may get eight to twelve

919
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: or even fifteen. He pushed out twenty reps on two

920
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: twenty five.

921
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Speaker 4: And a guy with longer arms too. Now he's not

922
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 4: you know.

923
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 5: You know what that tells you. He's worked at it.

924
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 3: He's a grinder.

925
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 5: He's a grinder.

926
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Speaker 1: You guys, this is so great. I just I'm having

927
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: a little moment over here. The combine is in the

928
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Speaker 1: rear view mirror now. But there's still so much to

929
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: talk about as we continue on heading towards the draft

930
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: at the end of April, April twenty fifth through twenty

931
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: seventh in Detroit, that is the NFL Draft. But before

932
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: we get there, we still have pro days at schools

933
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: to get through. We still have thirty visits where the

934
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: individual clubs bring people in, get to spend a little

935
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Speaker 1: bit more time with them, get to know them a

936
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Speaker 1: little bit better. So we still have ways to go here.

937
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: Do we have any final thoughts as we are wrapping

938
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Speaker 1: up this portion of the pre draft process and moving

939
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Speaker 1: on towards Detroit.

940
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Speaker 4: One more thing, free agency. Yeah, here it comes here.

941
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: It's knocking on the door. That's the next on the docket.

942
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 5: The thing you learn. And I heard somebody on this

943
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 5: panel say it, don't be an ie, don't be an

944
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 5: instant evaluator. Keep your powder dry. We don't draft till

945
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 5: the end of April.

946
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Speaker 4: Fall in love with the tape, not the tag on

947
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Speaker 4: the wall, and it'll be fascinating.

948
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Speaker 2: So it's a free agent mark right there. What resets

949
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: or settles the draft. As far as the quarterbacks, you

950
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: got a bunch of quarterbacks who have valuable plan time

951
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: in the NFL, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, etc. That may

952
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Speaker 2: reshape what the draft does also.

953
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 4: And there's two teams and two quarterback situations that I

954
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Speaker 4: think mold that to his point. For obviously, the first

955
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Speaker 4: overall pick with the Chicago Bears, do they deal justin fields?

956
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 4: And if they deal them to Atlanta, who's sitting at eight,

957
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Speaker 4: then that's the two teams I'm talking about. But if

958
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Speaker 4: for some reason Atlanta isn't able to make that happen,

959
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Speaker 4: or they bring in Kirk Cousins and sign him, that's

960
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 4: gonna change. You know, there's two trade partners right there

961
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Speaker 4: with who these young guys are at the top of

962
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 4: that quarterback pot. But that will shape it for that

963
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Speaker 4: first night of the draft.

964
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Speaker 5: This time of year when I was coaching, you start

965
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Speaker 5: to work the phones. That's fascinating.

966
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967
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972
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