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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: our comic girl sharing for the drama Queens up Girl Fashion,

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Speaker 1: but you'll tough, girl. You could sit with us. Girl Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queens. Hey, Hey, Hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Episode five, All That You Can't Leave Behind.

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Speaker 1: Air date October twenty first, two thousand. A lot of

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Speaker 1: interesting stuff happened in this episode. I'm exhaust lots of

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Speaker 1: dramatic Peyton. It really was between the basketball and the

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Speaker 1: and the Peyton like dealing with her intense pain about

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Speaker 1: her mother, and we find out so much about Whitey

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of moving forward with

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Speaker 1: storylines here. So this episode is when Lucas asked Keith

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Speaker 1: which I just love. And Dan humiliates Nathan and kind

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Speaker 1: all that stuff on the bridge with Chad and with Whitey,

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Speaker 1: being messy. I mean, there's nothing fun about a film

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Speaker 1: said Pat old Man, because it's like, dude, we're just

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Speaker 1: It's so weird watching this back all these years later,

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Speaker 1: of confidence. Never once did I ever realize you were

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00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: having any self doubt at all, even for a second.

427
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: And that makes me sad in a way because I

428
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: feel like if I could go back, I would have

429
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: my doors were always open, but I would have said

430
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: to all of you, please come to me. You know

431
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: I've been around for a while, Please come to me.

432
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: But you didn't seem like you needed any advice. Yeah.

433
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's just sort of our makeup individually as people.

434
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: We were, you know, we really wanted to have it

435
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: all together and we didn't want anybody to know that

436
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: we were struggling. And maybe different girls would have, but

437
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: I know each of us individually where we were all

438
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: a little stubborn in our own ways and probably just

439
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: didn't want to. I just didn't want to admit that

440
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: we didn't know what to do. But your door was

441
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: always opened. Barbara. I mean, you were the mom that

442
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: none of us had down there in that environment. You,

443
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, you helped me put my cat down.

444
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: I remember you came over that day and you were

445
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: there with me when I had to put my cat down,

446
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, who do I want with me?

447
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: And I remembered it was just so clear, I need,

448
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: I need mom, I need Barbara, and you you were

449
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: that for us in every way. So no, please don't

450
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: think that we didn't come to you for any reason,

451
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: that we didn't feel comfortable with you. It was totally

452
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: just us needing to I don't know, like we were

453
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: taking care of it. We were adults, we were totally

454
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: grand And now I see my daughters being adults, but

455
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: there your age, and I know they must be going

456
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: through that same, you know, growing up experience of being

457
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: alone for the first time. And you know, I have

458
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: a and Gossip Girl. Emily is doing Gossip Girl. Crazy?

459
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: Is that so insane? Circle? So she's doing the first

460
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: season and I compare it to the first season of

461
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill. I mean, it's pretty crazy. How life

462
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: comes around. You know. Do you feel like it's different

463
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: for these kids now than it was for us, you know,

464
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: eighteen years ago. No, I don't think it's different. Um,

465
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: in terms of just growing up in general, I don't

466
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: think it's different. But first of all, she's on HBO

467
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: and so you know that can be a little scary.

468
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: When she booked the job, she was seventeen, and she

469
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: thought it was like HBO. Yeah, HBO can be a

470
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: little scary. You know, it's gossip Girl, so it's gonna

471
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: be a lot of you know. Yeah, but she was seventeen.

472
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: She said, oh, no problem, because they can't have me

473
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: do anything anyway. Well, then it had quarantine happened and

474
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: the show got pushed, and so when she started working, Okay, UM,

475
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: that's hard to figure out what your boundaries are going

476
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: to be and what I want to allow you know,

477
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: out there in the public in terms of your body

478
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: or what situations you want to put yourself in as

479
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: an actress. And and it's different for everyone, but it's

480
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: hard to figure that stuff out when you're young, young woman.

481
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: And I've told her stories about you guys, and you're

482
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, your questions and don't be don't ever be

483
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: afraid to question. And you know, I'm glad that she

484
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: has me to turn to, but it's also gives me

485
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: the responsibility of giving her the correct advice, you know.

486
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's some. It's tough for young women. You

487
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: have always done that for people, though, and it strikes

488
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: all of us, you know, I mean we we we

489
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: were saying on our last recording that we're basically just

490
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: the Barbara Allen Woods fan club because all we're doing

491
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: is vawning over you in these episodes. And we I

492
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: think it struck all of us in our own way

493
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: that we know you to be that woman in life,

494
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: but we forgot because none of us remembers two thousand three.

495
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: My god, we forgot what you were doing on screen

496
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: and the way that you play Debb. It just feels

497
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: clear that you brought yourself and your barbed heart to

498
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: her because she's so wise, and she holds lines for

499
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: people and does it with tenderness, and and you challenge

500
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: people to be better and and I don't know you're

501
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: able to do so much with her, and we we're

502
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: just we're obsessed with you. Thank you for that. And

503
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: I say all of that in season one, and then

504
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: she sort of had a downward spiral. It was such

505
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: a crazy arc, so fun, so fun. Well we want

506
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: to talk, so let's talk a little bit about how

507
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: First of all, how you got the role of deb

508
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: Was it just a random audition? Was it? Did you

509
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, how did that come about?

510
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: And then also once you were into the part and

511
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: you had to be okay. So she's the breadwinner, she's

512
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: clearly feminist and um in charge of so much in

513
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: her life and her family's life, and yet balancing this

514
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: egomaniacal husband who's a giant man child, and you've got

515
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: a teenage boy and you're like holding everyone's emotions and

516
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: trying to manage so much. I mean, what was that like?

517
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 1: Just tell us about this experience of becoming okay. So,

518
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I've ever shared this story,

519
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: but um, I was Emily was one. So I have

520
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: three girls, Um, Emily's the middle, and she was one.

521
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: I was still nursing her. I was working on a

522
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: show called American Dreams, and and I had a nice

523
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: little recurring role. It was perfect because I wanted to

524
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: be a mom. This was my lifelong dream. I mean,

525
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: I had audition when it came to my career, but

526
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: being mom was number one by far, and so I

527
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: was recurring on It was perfect, perfect blend of being

528
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: a mom. And I was still nursing. And when I nurse, man,

529
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have seen me. It was not

530
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: a pretty sight. I mean like it's like, don't you

531
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: ask well, like cover of Jugs magazine, you know, like,

532
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: oh my god. So I'm nursing and I refused to

533
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: pump because I think that was my excuse to never

534
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: be away from the baby. So I would have someone

535
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: bring the baby to the set and everything. So it

536
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: was it was a lot of work and the last

537
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: thing I wanted was a full time gig. But then

538
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: this audition came up for One Tree hill Um and

539
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: I turned. I said, I don't have time. I'm working

540
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: and I don't have time. And then I started reading

541
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: it over lunch and fell in love with this beautifully

542
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: written monologue for this character and I couldn't let it go.

543
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: And it was just, you know, with the captain director

544
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: being put on tape because the show was already airing

545
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: and they were going to bring in this character for

546
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: this small arc. There's no way I could travel. You know,

547
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm just gonna go and do it.

548
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: And I just couldn't get Dub out of my mind.

549
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I had not even seen the entire script. I just

550
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: knew that it was beautifully written, this character. And then

551
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I heard that I was in the mix, which means

552
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: being considered. Then I heard that they were going local

553
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: for the role. Oh interested, I was pissed. I said,

554
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: I told my agent that I'm going to find a

555
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: relative who lives near North Carolina and I'm going to

556
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: be a local. And she said, you can't. You know

557
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: you can't. I said, no, I'm doing it. I'm going

558
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: to do that. And I found a cousin who I

559
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: had never met, raised them my address and said this

560
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: is where I'm local. I was within. I think it's

561
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: two fifty miles or something. I don't know, something crazy,

562
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: but I you know, I had the address, and they

563
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: set up a meeting with Paul on the weekend and

564
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: it's just me and I came in. I read it

565
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: and it was instant connection. And so they hired me

566
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 1: as a guest star local. Oh my god. My couple

567
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: episodes and um, the Finn Cannons. You remember that. Of

568
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: course they were amazing and they helped me out. I

569
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: think they put me up even though I was a

570
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: local um. Anybody who doesn't know, the finn Cannons were

571
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: our local casting directors who were basically situated right there

572
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: at the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so yeah, I

573
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: mean the rest is history. Then you know, they ended

574
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: up keeping the character around. But yeah, so I I

575
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: love telling actors this story because you know, if you

576
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: if you know something and instinctually you're thinking this is

577
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: your thing, just go for it and do what you

578
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: need to do. So yeah, that's what happened. And then

579
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: they ended up making her a regular. It's so cool

580
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: to me how you know, dev is clearly a confident woman.

581
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: But then there's also this really sexy element between her

582
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: and Dan in this episode, because it would be so

583
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: easy to show like a combative thing, like he's so

584
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: loathsome that for his wife to come in and be

585
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: affectionate with him, but also hold him accountable. It's just

586
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: a really nice duality that not everybody could have pulled off. Barbara,

587
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: like you handled that, yeah, you know, you see, like

588
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: I said, the spiral of not only depth but their relationship,

589
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: I think she does figure out who he truly is.

590
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: But um, you know, also the you know, the parallel

591
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: of the way Nathan treats his girls. Um, you know,

592
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: there's so many parallels in this show, and I maybe

593
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm only seeing them for the first time watching the

594
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: show now. Um, but I think some of that had

595
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: to do with Paul and I just getting along really

596
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: well too. I mean, it was easy for me to

597
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: bring that warmth because I really liked Paul Um and

598
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: he made me la and I think Dan made Doub

599
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: laugh and they had history, and um, you know, he

600
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: was loving. That was the thing I was wondering at

601
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: one point we were watching and I said, why did

602
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: she marry this guy? But you know, when you see

603
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: him being tender with with Debb in the moment about

604
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: basketball and then it goes south. But you know you

605
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: could see a little a little hint of that and

606
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: he's cute, that's that. Yeah. I'm not even sure I

607
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: knew how cute he was then. I mean, I know

608
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: he was always good looking, but I'm watching an outgoing

609
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: you're cute. He was the diet cokeman. Come on, Oh

610
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: my god, you know what struck me joy when you

611
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: asked that question. It kind of lit up for me.

612
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: In that scene before he ruins it and you know,

613
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: says it was different, but when he's talking about his

614
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: athleticism and giving us the window into why it matters

615
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: so much to Dan, and he talks about what it

616
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: felt like and how you know everything would be quiet

617
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: and it was just the court and he says, I

618
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: wish you could have seen it. Something in my brain

619
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: was like ding ding ding, and it it reminded me

620
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: of in the last episode when you go to see

621
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 1: Karen at the cafe and you say, I know that's

622
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: your story, but it doesn't have to be ours. I

623
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: feel like Deb existed in this pocket right after Dan's

624
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: kind of glory days, but also some of the harm

625
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: he did. And there's a tenderness between Deb and Dan

626
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: that no one else has with him, and and you

627
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: claim it, but you do it really gently, and it

628
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: allows for this romance and it allows for you to

629
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: find him funny. And and then when you kind of

630
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: throw the gauntlet down, you do it embodied as Deb

631
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: in this way that is so firm, but it's gentle,

632
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's like some real acrobatics, and I wonder

633
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: if maybe that slight difference in timing just gave her

634
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: a different experience with him that everybody else had. Did

635
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: they tell you what Deb's backstory was? Yeah? No, No,

636
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I made up a backstory,

637
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: and I think Paul and I talked about it. You know,

638
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: it's great working with him because we were all always

639
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: talking about things like that. But I don't even know

640
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: to this day if I really know the math of

641
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: where Karen stopped and where deb took over. I don't

642
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: know if it was an overlap. I don't know if

643
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: she was a rebound. I'm not even sure about that. Um.

644
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean there was something that Karen found attractive in

645
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: him too, and um, she even seems a lot more

646
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: level headed and intelligent than Debb. So what is it

647
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: with intelligent women who fall into men like this? Um?

648
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that the true? Yeah? I should not be throwing

649
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: stones and on a glass house, well Payton with Nathan.

650
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: We're all watching saying, you know, why, why get out

651
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: of there? You know quick, right? And you know who

652
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: knows the heart wants what the heart wants? And well

653
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: it's also I guess I'm realizing too that Dan Dan

654
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: has never been in this situation with Lucas. That whole

655
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: thing is a new threat for him. So maybe this

656
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: is like a part of him that's coming out that

657
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: nobody's really seen a lot of before because he's never

658
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: been in this scenario before. Um Am, I crazy. I

659
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: feel like I was told that Dead came from money,

660
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: and so she was so much more powerful and her

661
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: family was more powerful than Dan, and it was her

662
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: family the bankrolled the dealership. Did that end up like

663
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: becoming Yes, I think that was part of it. I

664
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: think you're right, because I'm watching this like girlfriends in charge, Like, yes,

665
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: her daddy is like the boss. So Dan married Dead

666
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: for money, not even for money, but the allure of

667
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: like being with a made girl, you know, like Dan,

668
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: I and see how that would put him in his

669
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: place because you present yourself like a girl who knows

670
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: exactly who she is and always has And I'm sure

671
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: freshman year in college that was foxy. And and maybe

672
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: the antip this is to who Karen was at the time,

673
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: you know, you know, um yeah, and which makes her

674
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: back to her spiral even more interesting that she started

675
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: out as strong as she was, and even I forgot

676
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: you know that many seasons later watching it now, keep

677
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: pointing to the television because this is where I was

678
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: watching it. Yeah, I had forgotten how strong she was,

679
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Like what happened to you? And you know even later

680
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: on she I'm not supposed to talk about later on?

681
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: Am I? Well we want? Yeah, we'll just we'll have

682
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: you back later on and talking? What was your relationship

683
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: with James? Like playing his mom he was seventeen. I

684
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: instantly loved him. He was just a sweetheart. And what

685
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: I really and I tell this story a lot too,

686
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: what I loved about James is he was not afraid

687
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: to ask questions. Um, he was new, and you know,

688
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't even that new by the time I was

689
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: working with him. He had already done the pilot in

690
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: a few episodes, but if anything came up, he had questions.

691
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: And look at him now, you know it was all

692
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: about learning. Um, you know, camera work, Why are we

693
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: doing this? Why are you putting that light there? He

694
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: was always asking questions and came to work so prepared

695
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: and was so respectful and even sometimes had a hard

696
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: time joking around with me because he was so respectful,

697
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: and I was like his mom, you know, and you

698
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: know he had to talk to me like his mom,

699
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: and he was so sweet. Yeah, he was seventeen, right,

700
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: and a little seventeen. And I remember, I love the

701
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: story because when he's so tall and when I hugged him,

702
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm a touchy person and I would touch

703
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: his chest like my baby, you know, my baby be

704
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: And the network gave me a note called my agent

705
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: said we want her to stop touching his chest. It's

706
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: because it just seems a little bit too close for

707
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: a mom, like, god, I have my son and a

708
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: headlock at all times. Oh yeah, just like for deb

709
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: to be touching like his chest, Like, oh my god,

710
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry if I crossed a line. But man,

711
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: all that makes me think of whoever at the network

712
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: gave that note. I go, were you never hugged as

713
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: a child? Are you okay to remember they must only

714
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: touch men in a sexual way. They recast the guy

715
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: that played My Dad's season one because they were like,

716
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: you two were too flirty, and I was like, what

717
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean? Okay, But so that was something that was

718
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: really on their radar. I guess, yeah, I guess maybe

719
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: because they were all inviting us. That's probably exactly well.

720
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: I didn't see what you do, what exists, you know

721
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yes, I was afraid to go near

722
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: him after that. You know, I don't want to go

723
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: too close. That's terrible. What a terrible thing for an actor.

724
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: You want to be so free and be able to

725
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: just be an explore and touch and big, tangentle and you.

726
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: But you were such a you were such a mom

727
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: behind the scenes as well. And I love, love, love

728
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: that you always had your girls in the trailer. Your

729
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: girls were in the hair naked trailer from the time

730
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: they were toddlers, which is probably why they're so good

731
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: at what they do now, because that's why why they

732
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: wanted to do what they do now. And I don't

733
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: know if that's good or bad, but that's you know,

734
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: this is fun. I want to do this. They've worked

735
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: with so many of us on other projects, too, Like

736
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: I worked with Emily on Secret Life of bees Um,

737
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: which one which one of the girls did the movie

738
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: with Chad Emily, Emily did, Emily did. Ali just did

739
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: a movie with with Austin Oh cool, right at the

740
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: end of Quarantine they worked together. I never worked with Austin,

741
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: so I got to know him during that movie. Um,

742
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: Cheryl Lee. Cheryl Lee played Emily's grandmother. Weird full Circle

743
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: and Cherylene were just like the entire time, and He's like,

744
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: do you mind? Can I get to know her too?

745
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: You know, we were just like the entire time. Yeah,

746
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: I was trying to think Ali worked with Jackson what, Yeah,

747
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: like three years on a show they were. Ali was

748
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: recorring regular and so we saw his family all the time. Um.

749
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: Peter Kowalski was Natalie's DP on A on a Marvel show.

750
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean we've had so clostovers. Yeah, I remember Emily

751
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: coming well, I remember Natalie coming in the trailer and

752
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: with the first you know, she would just come in

753
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: with her giant brown eyes and her freckles and they're

754
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: cute little blonde hair, and she would just smile at

755
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: you with this beautiful, beaming smile on her face was

756
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: like a sunflower. It was just like the sun, the sunlight.

757
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: I just loved looking at her face looking up at us.

758
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: And then Emily would come in with her ular. I

759
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: loved it. I was like, are you mine coming with me?

760
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: It was so fun for us to barbara that that energy,

761
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: because you're right, we you know, we were all out

762
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: there and we were little kids who thought we were

763
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be grown ups. And when you would come

764
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: in with the kids and we'd all be in the

765
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: trailer in the mornings, it really felt like family. It

766
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: felt like home, like to be sitting, you know, having

767
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: Jojo do hair and holding one of your kids in

768
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: our laps and chatting. It was like it was the

769
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: most kind of Yeah, it was the most wholesome, like safe.

770
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: There was such a it was such a gift to

771
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: have your family on set a way with you so truly. Um,

772
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, when I watched the show, it brings back

773
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: so many memories of doing the show. It was such

774
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: a happy time in my life. You know, hopefully the

775
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: best is yet to come, who knows, but that decade,

776
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just the happiest time, possibly the happiest.

777
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: And it was because I was on a show I loved,

778
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: with people I love and character I loved, and then

779
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: also having my little kids living on the beach, Rightful Beach.

780
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: There's nothing better than Rightsful Beach. It was just happy.

781
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: I felt like I must have done something good. Sound

782
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: of music, Yes, somewhere in my wicked childhood. I must

783
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: have done something good. Yeah, um, bringing back the musical

784
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: as I watched your podcast, um, and we watched Sound

785
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: of Music. During the hurricane when we all had to

786
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: hunker it down in hotel rooms, we watched Sound of

787
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: Music over and over and that's all we did. We

788
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: watched Son of Music. Maria's school is doing that. That's

789
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: their next place music. No, I'm like, can I can

790
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: I take the role of Maria away from high school student?

791
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: Could I? If you need a baroness, let us love it?

792
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: Is she going to be in Barbara? You would be

793
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: such a good baroness. She's gonna audition? Who does she

794
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: want to be? She doesn't know yet. We're going to

795
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: watch the movie and see, I mean she's she. It's

796
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: a school wide production, so they are going to have,

797
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: you know, all through high school through kindergarten. So I

798
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: guess she's ten? Is does that make her she's too

799
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: old for Gretel Luisa? She's too young for Luisais Luisa

800
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: she's the one that sticks the frog on the chair?

801
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: I think yes. Everyone Holmes like, what so feels like

802
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: you guys in your musical talk, you want to know

803
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: what's funny is. I'm like, yeah, we did sound of

804
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: Music when I was in high school, and I did

805
00:46:50,080 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: props everything. I love props. They're still my very favorite

806
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: thing to do. Hey, where did you hang out in Wilmington?

807
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: Because you were out at the beach predominantly, right, Yeah,

808
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: we stayed at the beach the entire time. We ended up.

809
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: When we looked like we were going to be around

810
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: for a while, we bought a house in Landfall, which

811
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: is also the beach. But um, the first few years

812
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: we were renting a house on the beach. You know,

813
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: our owned I think it was like a month or something. Crazy.

814
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that's cheap for being um and

815
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: you know that's that was like our backyard. You know,

816
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: the kids could just run out and run through those

817
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: the brush and the white sand and it was just

818
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: it was heaven, you know, it was you couldn't ask

819
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: for more. Do you have advice for young women? I

820
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: mean you must, because you you have raised three young

821
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: women in this industry, and for young artists that are

822
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: up and coming, or you know, even girls who are

823
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: successful in this business. You know, what, what are some

824
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: things that you've experienced and that you feel like, oh man,

825
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: I wish I had known this when I was starting out.

826
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: Well that's what you saw us fall into. I don't know.

827
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean I do wish that I had had someone,

828
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, I wish I had had some you know,

829
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 1: some sort of mentor. I guess I had to figure

830
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: it out myself. But um, you know, it's just so

831
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: important to keep I don't know if you could tell

832
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: a kid this, keep your head on straight, but you know,

833
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: to have a solid family, you know, to have a

834
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: life other than this passion that you have to celebrate

835
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: every holiday no matter what. You know, keep the things

836
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: that are you know, important and things that are tangible,

837
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: things that um, you can rely on, you know, make

838
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: sure that you stay close with your family no matter what. UM,

839
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: your close friends. UM. Just it's just so that it's

840
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: not the only important thing in your life. And that's

841
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: what I've you know, what I've done with my kids

842
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: is just always you know, no matter how passionate you

843
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: feel about your career, there are other things too, and

844
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: so that when it doesn't go your way, used to

845
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: have these other things. I mean that sounds pretty basic

846
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: and cliche, but it's not always easy. You know, when

847
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: when you're driven, when you just want something so badly,

848
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: that's all you can see. You can't see straight. Well,

849
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: I think, especially in a business where what you do

850
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: can be mistaken for who you are. When you're a performer,

851
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: you are embodying someone, but it's not you. And it's

852
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: so important I think for artists to understand that there's

853
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: who you are and there's what you do right exactly.

854
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: And it's hard in this business, I think, especially when

855
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: you're young, to separate those things. And you know, if

856
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: you're the tiny yeah, and if you're the kind of

857
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: young girl, if you were where we were scared to

858
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: admit there were things we didn't know because we thought

859
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: we'd get in trouble. You know. Yeah, it's it's important. Yeah,

860
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: I wish we'd all been better at crawling into your

861
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: into your more and just cuddle. I wish. I wish

862
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: it's good advice for any profession though, I mean, having

863
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: your touchstones that exist outside of yeah exactly. But I know,

864
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: like you know, you and I are friends on social media.

865
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: I think are we Facebook friends? To um? I feel

866
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: like I've seen you go back to your high school

867
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: and we've talked about like your hometown, what was like,

868
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: what was your high school experience? Who were you at sixteen,

869
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: seventeen years old? I was like everything I was. I

870
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: think I, at the end, you know, most likely to

871
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: you guys are doing. I think I was most likely

872
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: to do everything, like some stupid award that I got

873
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. And I was, you know,

874
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,959
Speaker 1: a cheerleader and student consul and theater and tennis and

875
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean I would just try to squeeze in as

876
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: much as I possibly could. Um. And it was a

877
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: great experience. And you know, my kids don't go to school,

878
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: and sometimes I don't to use the word regret, but

879
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, what their experience would have betten.

880
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're experiencing other things that are amazing,

881
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: but sometimes I get a little sad that they're not

882
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: experiencing the high school experience, the college experience. Um, but

883
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: that's who I was. I was one tree Hill. Yeah

884
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: you were, Yeah, you were. You were like a mix

885
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: of all the characters. You were Peyton. But then you

886
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: were doing theater in Chicago, right, how did you get

887
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: involved in that? I entered the Miss teen Illinois padget

888
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: Yes she did? Or aware of these pictures? I need

889
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: these photos. I have them, and I won the talent portion,

890
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: and one of the judges was um, an agent in Chicago,

891
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: and so I signed with her and I started doing

892
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, commercials and little roles and a lot of

893
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: theater in Cargo and stayed there for a while, and

894
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: then I UM. I went to Northern Illinois, but I

895
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: would still audition in Chicago. I would go back. I

896
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: wanted to go to a college where I could still

897
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: audition in the big city, and so I did that

898
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: for a while, and then I moved out to l A.

899
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: And the theater scene is so good there and all

900
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: the improv. Did you get into any of that stuff

901
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: I did? Second City? You're so cool. That's why you

902
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: were so good to this day. And I was wondering,

903
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: joy if you feel the same, because well, all of you,

904
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: all of you infuse comedy and too thinks, and that's

905
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: why I love that. I love taking any role and

906
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: just trying to find the comedy in it or the

907
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: lightness of it and so people can relate to it.

908
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm watching deb At the beginning, she

909
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: wasn't she was pretty heavy. You know, there wasn't a

910
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: whole lot of comedy and hopefully after I got to

911
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: know the writers a little bit more, they thought, you know,

912
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: we can maybe make her a little goefier and she's gay.

913
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: You got there and and I liked it so much more.

914
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: Did you ask for that? Did you have asked them

915
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: to proper to give you comedy? I think I just

916
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: told them how much I loved it. Positive reinforcement. You know,

917
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: if something came in with a little bit of comedy,

918
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: I would say, oh I love this, love this, love this.

919
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: I didn't you know. I wasn't a complainer. I complained

920
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: about my wardrobe a lot, and it wasn't it wasn't

921
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 1: It wasn't appreciated that I ever had anything negative to say.

922
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: But I wasn't letting up on that wardrobe. Like my

923
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: pleadd tan pants that you know, at the time, you

924
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: guys were all wearing like those low rides. They were

925
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: so cute at the time, was like, you know, like Mom,

926
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: Taylor like yes, and here we are watching the episode

927
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, where are the top of our pants?

928
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: They owe us eight inches of fabric, so cute. Though

929
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: you guys could pull it off so cute, they really did.

930
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: They treated parents on TV very differently. Than than they

931
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: do now. There was kind of this like unsexy, let's

932
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: dump you down. And you had had Nathan when you

933
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: were like eighteen years old, so you were a young mom.

934
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: You're playing like years old, which is younger than we

935
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: are now, you know. So the idea of like like

936
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: if someone put me in tan slacks, I'd be mortified.

937
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: It was. It was very beige. Um. You know, I

938
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: spent my entire adult life being on y A projects

939
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: when I'm not a y A and I just feel

940
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: this responsibility. I don't want kids to fast forward through

941
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: the adult roles, you know, like through the adult scenes.

942
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: I want them to find the adults just as interesting.

943
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: And you don't want to be the stereotypical parent of boring.

944
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: It's boring. Yeah, And I want flaws and I want

945
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, I mention and and where does this idea

946
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: that moms are somehow sterile when I come from like

947
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: you're a hot mom, I'm into it. You're all hot moms.

948
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Sophia and the three hot moms. That's

949
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: this episode. Like, but like, I I appreciate knowing that

950
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to lose yourself or your romance or

951
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: your fire or your humor, because you're right. Back then,

952
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: they kind of wanted these parents to just be these

953
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, tent poles of advice and then they'd like

954
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: scuttle off the side. And you really, you rested your

955
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: humanity and and and your femininity back from those khaki pants. Also,

956
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I think the show needed a Karen, you know, Karen Row,

957
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: not a Karen but um, but there was already a

958
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: Karen Row. I mean, let's let's find something out, you know,

959
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: let's let's let's flow her up a bit, deb And

960
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: you know, eventually they figured it out. You know, you

961
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: didn't need to parents like that. Uma and I loved

962
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: her at the beginning, but I loved her a lot

963
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: more later on. What was your favorite We can talk

964
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: about stuff coming up. What was your favorite favorite? Deb Shenanigan.

965
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: I loved all of the War of the Roses. Um

966
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: with Dan, I loved all Um. That was by far

967
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: my favorite. UM. Karen and I, Moira and I had

968
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: a night on the billboard on top of the billboard.

969
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: Oh that's yes, painting a mustache on Dan. And thatman

970
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: Cats suit, Oh my god, that was I think it

971
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: was a juicy suit. Yeah, that's what we're going to

972
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: send out this year's rap gifts for the podcast Just Juicy.

973
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: We'll hunt him down on eBay. I have them all

974
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: of mine. Oh have green wine black, the wine white,

975
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: and my girls are sealing them all the time. But

976
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: remember the show the store Oliver, Yes, Yes, okay, this

977
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: is store in Wilmington's. Yes. And this is what I did.

978
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: I would shop there. I would put things on hold,

979
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: and I told them when our wardrobe person would come

980
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: in shopping for characters, to push them in her face,

981
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: in their face, in her face, and say that Barbara

982
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: was in here and these are the things she really loves.

983
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: That's genus and sorry. But surely she started picking up

984
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: a few things and and I remember being told, you've

985
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: got to let you know, You've got to let the

986
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: whole wardrobe thing go. But unfortunately that is high level thinking. Basically,

987
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: it starts with wardrobe. In your look and your hair.

988
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean basically, people are watching, that's what they see. Um.

989
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: Did you have hair wars too? Did you have words

990
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: over your hair? The style? We all had hair wars.

991
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: That's hair wars. That's the name of our memoir. I

992
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: always have hair wars. I am actually pretty happy to

993
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: hear that you guys had them too, because I had

994
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: a lot of them. When it came from that the

995
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: we were always told it came from the network, but

996
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: we questioned everything. Now. I think there was maybe one

997
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: or two people in particular that just had an idea

998
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: of what they wanted women to look like or girls

999
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: to look like or whatever. Yeah. I also put my

1000
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: hair up a couple of times, and that was next

1001
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: pretty quick. Um, you feel like I recalled there being

1002
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: an episode if I'm remembering correctly, where you had your

1003
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: hair in a ponytail and a hot tub and you

1004
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: looked great, dangerous. I'm saying, I they you look great

1005
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: with your hair up. That was with Antoine, which is

1006
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: my favorite storyline. So I guess my dog is like

1007
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: barfing on the rug and my child grew and I'm

1008
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: just like, this is what being a working mom is about.

1009
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: How to do this? You just smile and you power through.

1010
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: That's what I love to do. So yeah, No, Antoine

1011
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: and deb was my favorite chunk of time on the

1012
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: show because I thought it was the right amount of

1013
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: naughty but also like really endearing because you two were

1014
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: cute together. You're still cute together and his that was

1015
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: the comedy was right there. Man, you guys just so good.

1016
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: So he's so good and his bark is so much

1017
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: worse than his bite. She wait, girl, like yeah, it

1018
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: would be kind of nervous. I had one dress that

1019
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: they rigged because he had to undo my dress in

1020
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: front and so they had to rig it up. So

1021
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 1: they because it was in the script, you know, and

1022
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: um I was showing up how it works. He's like, oh,

1023
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, okay, that's fine, just like what happened to

1024
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: the Antoine. I know, like we so respect fowl. And

1025
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: I was I think three weeks after having Ali. Um

1026
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: I was in the pool with my hair up and

1027
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: nursing and topless. Oh my god, barbe and you're a

1028
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: superwoman covering like this with Antoine. And he was so sweet,

1029
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: and I was afraid I was going to get like

1030
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is like I was lactating in the

1031
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna get milk in the pool. But he's

1032
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: a dance so he got it. He was so sweet,

1033
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, and then he was hugging me and he's

1034
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: like I got you. I got your girl, Like no

1035
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: one's going to see anything. And he was so I

1036
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: love him so much. Right after I gave birth to George,

1037
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: I did a movie with Antoine. It was like, I

1038
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: don't know, two months later and I was at that

1039
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: point where like the baby's not sleeping and I also

1040
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: have to be on set and I'm losing my mind,

1041
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: and Antoine would come over to my apartment and just

1042
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: rock my baby, like he knows how to do one

1043
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: arm in a way that like the child falls asleep. Like, yeah,

1044
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: he's got good dad energy, he's a good dad. Yeah,

1045
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: he's so antoinees. Like I remember I was dealing with

1046
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: like boy drama, and I remember calling him and he

1047
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: would set on the phone with me for like two

1048
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: hours and just talk me through it and here's what

1049
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: you do and here's what you said. Well what happened,

1050
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: and like my little therapist, I love him. You got

1051
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: to kiss all the Cube boys on the show, because

1052
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: you also ended up kissing Craig at some point, right,

1053
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: I was hoping for two seconds, I thought maybe we

1054
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: were going to end up together. And and I did

1055
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: know that you had a crushed on him Joy, and

1056
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know. I didn't think

1057
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: you ever told me. Maybe you did, but I don't

1058
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: think you did. I just probably I was just fawning

1059
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: over him all the time, like staring long and across

1060
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: the room. I was hoping. I was hoping that it

1061
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: never happened. Um. But we get some of these like

1062
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: deep thought questions that we are supposed to answer, but

1063
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: I want to know some of yours. Um. One of

1064
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: them was like, if you have a friend coming to town,

1065
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: what experience in Wilmington's would you tell them, Like, you

1066
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: cannot miss this intoshin Oh, we're still there. So right

1067
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: before quarantine, Um, there was a convention there. I don't

1068
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: remember if we were all we were all there together,

1069
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember, but it was in Raleigh,

1070
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: I think. But anyway, I went to Wilmington and I

1071
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: spent my birthday in Wilmington's and everybody took me out

1072
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: to Indoshing and it's so good. It's still good, it's

1073
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: still amazing. But you know, obviously the beach, the beach

1074
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: is like no other. I mean, there's just something special

1075
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: about going to the beach, going to Riceful Beach and

1076
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: hanging East Coast Beach is so warm, so much, so great.

1077
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: And you know, all of my best friends are still there.

1078
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: I accumulated best friends and kept them to this day. Um,

1079
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: we're in Toronto, we're driving back. We're actually gonna stop

1080
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: in um in Wilmington on the way back. Yeah, and

1081
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: so we're just going to where are you guys? Like?

1082
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: L I L? I wait? How long are you going

1083
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: to be in Toronto? We're here till mid August. I

1084
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: get there in October. Do you do cassing in the night?

1085
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: Just so close? Okay, I have a great place I'm staying.

1086
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: I should tell you about it. This is why our

1087
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: club remains, because we have spirewebbed from Willington all across

1088
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: North America and even further. Um, that's right, sweet, Okay,

1089
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: So the girls are taking over television. You and Olivia

1090
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: are working on a show right now. What what do

1091
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: you think is the reason? With all this new content

1092
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: out there, people are still drawn to the show. You know,

1093
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: it's funny. I'm watching it now for the first time

1094
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: with Ali, who's thirteen, and she said, just last night,

1095
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: she said, I miss shows a people just talk to

1096
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: each other. It's a relationship show and there are no

1097
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, special effects or big car chases or you know,

1098
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: she said, I just like watching these people talk to

1099
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: each other and wow, that's a thirteen year old and

1100
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: she and I said, you know, you don't have to

1101
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: watch this, she said, no, I'm last night. When I

1102
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: went to bed, I could hear that she was watching

1103
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: it in her bedroom as she was going to sleep,

1104
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: And then made me feel so good. Little does she

1105
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: know what I do later on in the episode, and

1106
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: there's binging binge watching now, So it's not like she's

1107
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait three years to see. She's gonna

1108
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: come downstairs the breakfast one morning and you'll know. Yeah. Um,

1109
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: it's just character driven, you know. And that's what drew

1110
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: me to the show to begin at the beginning. It's just,

1111
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's just all about the characters and you know,

1112
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: just so all of them so well round it. And

1113
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's hard to find show like that

1114
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: these days. It really is. We need to write one, Yeah,

1115
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: Barbara together again. Listen Christmas movie in Louisiana And we

1116
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: had to the last second, We had to like get

1117
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: somebody to come play the superintendent of all the schools,

1118
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: and they were trying to cast local and I was like,

1119
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna happen. Ain't gonna happen, and they're like, well, fine,

1120
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: who do you have Hillary. It's like, I've got Barbara

1121
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: Allen Woods. And she shows up and within thirty seconds

1122
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: of being there, every member of the crew is in

1123
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: love with her. Willie Garson is following her around like

1124
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: a puppy, eating out of the palm of her hand,

1125
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, where did you find her? Because it

1126
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: was really this like one dimensional character on paper, and

1127
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: Barbara came in and made her warm and funny and

1128
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: so likable and like the hero of the movie. And

1129
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: everyone was just like, please, please, let's write a whole

1130
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: movie where she's here the whole time. And it was

1131
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: an almost which is always extra special because we all

1132
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: get super giddy and you know, like he barely make

1133
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: it through. It was fun. You have that special thing

1134
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: that I think Sharon Lawrence also has Barbara, where you

1135
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: walk into a room and it's like, I love Sharon too,

1136
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: and you you you don't walk, you like float, you

1137
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: like glide into the room and everyone stops, and the

1138
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: energy in the room shifts and suddenly you just notice

1139
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of at you know, it's true. You, you

1140
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: and Sharon Lawrence have that and it's really amazing to

1141
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: watch what happened. I love her. You know, we know

1142
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: each other because of One Tree Hill and we never

1143
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: even worked together, but we have run into each other

1144
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: and so we really bond over the show even though

1145
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: we never worked together. And she's amazing. Yeah. Should we

1146
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: do most likely to girls? Yeah, Barbara, you're ready for

1147
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: this to Yeah, please do it with that. It can

1148
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: be a real life cast member of ours or a character. Okay,

1149
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: let's do it. So curious. Yeah, listen for getting advanced here,

1150
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: Kiss and tell most likely to Kiss and Tell. All right,

1151
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: this is a dangerous one. I mean I never kissed

1152
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: anybody on the show. Nobody wanted to kiss me, so

1153
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: it probably would have been me had anyone kissed me.

1154
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: Damn it. I wasn't provided that opportunity. I would have

1155
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: told everybody. Um, yeah, kiss and tell. You know you

1156
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: know who kiss and told in real life, ladies? One

1157
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: Very Corbin in that bar downtown Charlie Brown's. I can

1158
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: tell you a few Barry Corbin stories. Yes, he's a

1159
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: kiss and tell. Well, he's just yeah, I mean he

1160
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: went forward a few times. Let me just say, how

1161
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: could he not? But you know, we're being public, and

1162
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: I felt a little bit under the table, you know,

1163
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: just like checking it out to see if I was interested,

1164
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: but you know, in a respectful way. I was just

1165
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: crazing the back of your hand, just like would you

1166
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: like to hold my hand? A little footstee? Okay, yeah,

1167
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: he's how did you This is actually a good a

1168
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: good segue into this question, because, um, I think this

1169
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: happens a lot, especially right now in this modern age.

1170
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: A lot of young women are not sure how to

1171
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 1: handle if they're being hit on by somebody that maybe

1172
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: they just don't want to go out with or whatever,

1173
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: and it becomes a really scary and like, oh, I'm

1174
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: be I'm at work and and I feel and then

1175
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: it becomes an hr thing. But I think there is

1176
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: an onus on women to just be able to to

1177
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: say like, oh, I'm so flattered, thank you, but no,

1178
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: and then of course if it continues, it becomes a

1179
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: different issue. But how did how do you handle that?

1180
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: As you know, I've put the fear of God in

1181
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: all of my kids, you know, because that because of

1182
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: all the situations I've been in, and I would never

1183
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: want any of those things to happen to them. And

1184
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: I think they have no trouble saying no. I mean

1185
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: they just walk away. So cool to see a kid

1186
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: say no. And how do you say no to uh

1187
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: when you're like, like when you're getting hit up, Hey,

1188
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: he's checking it out? Is this? Is this an interesting thing?

1189
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: Like how do you do that where you maintain the

1190
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: friendship in the relationship in a working environment, but you know,

1191
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: still put your boundary up. I don't know. I think

1192
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: it's just more acceptable these days to say no. I

1193
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: don't think that the hitting is going on. Hitting on

1194
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: is going on as often as it used to. Let's

1195
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: hope it's not. I have a feeling they say no

1196
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: even when people aren't hitting on them, because they're just

1197
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: so afraid they are, you know, I think that they

1198
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: turn them away, like what are you doing? Would you

1199
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: like some coffee? Get you know, go away? Yeah, it's

1200
01:09:55,439 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: your coffee elsewhere. So yeah, you that was my predicament

1201
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: in the past. You know, I don't want to be

1202
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: on this person's bad side, this person I'm gonna be

1203
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: working with for the next six months. I don't want

1204
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: them to hate me or take it out on me

1205
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: in any way. So that was like the struggle I

1206
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: always went through, but I just don't see it as

1207
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: much these days, thank god, you know. I just it's

1208
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: also part of the dance of men and women is

1209
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, somebody making an advance to see, like, hey,

1210
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: are you interested, and then the other person says yes

1211
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: or no, and that's just that's the dance. That's what

1212
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: we do. Yeah. Yeah, I would have kissed and told though,

1213
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: like who would have put out oh deab Yeah, I

1214
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: mean it's obvious. Yeah, And you know what, I did

1215
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: want to say something because I thought about this because

1216
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: I was so respect the fact that you guys were

1217
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: able to say no. What you're young, and you know

1218
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: some of you were, you know, relatively new, but you

1219
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: had no problem saying no, and you you had integrity

1220
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: and you protected your characters. And I think because of that,

1221
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: my character got more interesting because I think somebody, when

1222
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: they were trying to like spice up the show a

1223
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: little bit, they're like, oh, these girls, you know, they

1224
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: won't do it. Like I'm like, I'll do it. You

1225
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: need someone, Yeah, I'll do gratuitous sex. Yeah. You know,

1226
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, like I never volunteered, but

1227
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: I think they saw that maybe I was game. You know,

1228
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: so I had kids, so they know you were putting

1229
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: out that. Yeah, like I don't know, you know, it's

1230
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: like fourth choice, you know, they would have rather had

1231
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: it be you. It was more age appropriate though, because

1232
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: think about it as like real women, we come into

1233
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: our sexuality not at eighteen, not at it is something

1234
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: that like in your thirties, you are jamming, you know,

1235
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: And so it made more sense for Did to be

1236
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: the leader there. And it was also I think that

1237
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: when sex is funny, it's less offensive. And I always

1238
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: tried to incorporate like these scenes that sometimes many times

1239
01:11:55,439 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: crossed the line. If they're funny, they're more acceptable somehow, Yeah,

1240
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: less threatening. Yeah, yeah, that's a good way. From now on,

1241
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: every time I have to do a sex scene, I'm

1242
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: going to take that note make it funny, and I'm

1243
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: gonna make it funny. Make it funny. There'll be a

1244
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: director at some point who's just like, who told you

1245
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: this funny sex? All right? So I did you have

1246
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: any kiss and tell candidates? Oh? Man? I mean I

1247
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: feel like Brooke Davis was a bit of a kiss

1248
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: and teller, but I but I also feel like it

1249
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: was very too try to be cool, you know, who

1250
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: were yours? Oh? Um, well, Barry, I think is a great?

1251
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: Is actually a really great? I think yeah, Um, you know,

1252
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: my first instinct I was like, is it broke? But

1253
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: actually I don't think it's broke at all. I think

1254
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: she's much more of it's all bravado with Brooke. Yeah,

1255
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: she holds a lot close to her heart, a lot

1256
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: of private moments. Um, yeah, Antoine, Antoine is definitely he

1257
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: tells a lot. You know what's so funny? Joy I

1258
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: actually had a thought about that, that kind of Brit

1259
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: Davis Bravado based on our conversation from last week when

1260
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: I was watching Uh you do that scene in the

1261
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: Poncho with James and Hilary. We were like, God, it's

1262
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: so sweet and he's kind of flirting and and you're

1263
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: just like really hard to read and you can tell

1264
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: that she's flattered but also wants to hold it in.

1265
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, see, Joey actually knew how

1266
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 1: to be chill around boys. And then there's me who's

1267
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: supposed to be like, you know, the hit cheerleader and

1268
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: like she's really into dudes. And I just watched myself

1269
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: like really overacting because I'm like, is this how people

1270
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: do it. This is how people do it. They make

1271
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: like really big faces and stuff and they're like and

1272
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh god, yeah, you've been doing something, man,

1273
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: and you were you were chilled. We learned so much

1274
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: about Brooke because of that, because she she didn't I

1275
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: think that was the doubling down that she would do

1276
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: instead of retreating, which is what Haley did. She just

1277
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: retreated within herself and Brooke was like, I don't know

1278
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, so I'm just gonna throw everything out

1279
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: there and you know, try and get it right. You know.

1280
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,560
Speaker 1: It's just a different way of handling handling the same emotions.

1281
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: That's so funny. I love it, Barbara. It makes me

1282
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: so happy and confident to know that your daughters are

1283
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: the next generation of of leaders and role models for

1284
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: young girls out there because I know how you raised

1285
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: your girls. We know how you are and you you

1286
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: did it right. You know, they're beautiful and smart and

1287
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: strong and confident in a way that I wish we'd been.

1288
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: You were. You absolutely were all of those adjectives. I

1289
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: looked up to you guys so much as the adult

1290
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: on the show. I looked up to you guys. I

1291
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: really did um you were and you are now such

1292
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: amazing role models to my girls and we all follow

1293
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: everything you do. And it's just you know, I'm just

1294
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, as the mom on One Tree Hill. I'm

1295
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 1: so proud of all three of you for you. Thanks.

1296
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: We have to get back to Wrightsville Beach like soon. Yeah, yeah,

1297
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: for sure, to see you in person. And I want

1298
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: to see baby. I want to see all your babies

1299
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: and oh my god, they no, they're not babies anymore.

1300
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: But I want to see everybody. Need a reunion. We do.

1301
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: Maybe when you get home from Toronto, before I go

1302
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: to Toronto, we'll steal Hillary from the East Coast and

1303
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: we'll still do it sleep oversh my god, that's it.

1304
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: We have to Joy. Joy always wanted to have tea parties.

1305
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: She's like, what do you want to do, So we'll

1306
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: do a tea party down. I still do tea parties.

1307
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: We love you so much. Back spirals, you're coming back.

1308
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: I want to come back for the with I want

1309
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: to come back with Antoine. I'll talk about it. We'll

1310
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: see what we're going to do it. Yes, I love

1311
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: that idea. Love you, Thanks for having Thank you. Thanks

1312
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: to the gals. I will bye by Wow. I love

1313
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: her guys. Barbara Allan Woods. She brings me energy, everything, everything,

1314
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: And you know, Barbara really does remind me that we

1315
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: get to own it all. We get to own our

1316
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: professionalism and our intellect and are funny and are silly

1317
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: and are sexy. And she's such an incredible example just

1318
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: by being that you can be so fully embodied. I mean,

1319
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: what a role model. Yeah, and I agree that she.

1320
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm so scared of this industry for my kids because

1321
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: I had such a wonky experience with it, and Barbara

1322
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: did the opposite. Barbara was like, we're not going to

1323
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: be scared. We're going to own it, you know. And

1324
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,839
Speaker 1: and has kept her girls really safe. I mean, Barbara

1325
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: committed to being on set with all three of her

1326
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: girls like at the same time. She's a superhuman. I

1327
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: don't know how she did it, um, but they're just

1328
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: you can tell their dad is an assistant director. They

1329
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,520
Speaker 1: know how to show up and they know what's up. Yeah,

1330
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the I mean, it does make me scared.

1331
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 1: Maria is It is actually a really good little actress, um,

1332
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: and she's got good instincts and but she does theater

1333
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: right now, because to me, theater is a team sport.

1334
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: But you know, film for kids can is really as

1335
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: so many of you know. It doesn't take a genius

1336
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: to take a look around and see all the kids

1337
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: that have gone off the rails because they up in

1338
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: this business. But Barbara has Um managed to do an

1339
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: amazing job with her girls. They're all such good, solid

1340
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: people and smart and stick up for themselves and they're

1341
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: professional and it gives me hope. It's pretty cool. Hey,

1342
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 1: welcome back. Okay, we have some listener questions. Okay from Brianna.

1343
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: In episode five, on the anniversary of Peyton's mom's death,

1344
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: why does Brook seems so unaware of their best friends?

1345
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: And I just feel like she had no idea what

1346
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: day it was. So I'm hoping you guys will talk

1347
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,839
Speaker 1: about it and when you get to that episode, hopefully

1348
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: it was a production error. I just feel like Brooke

1349
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: is so much better than that, and you know, how

1350
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: did she not realize about this important day for her

1351
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: best friend? So talk tell us about that, you know,

1352
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: to listen, listen, listen. We have to also keep in

1353
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: mind this was two thousand three, right, so this is

1354
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: like pre spook reminders. This is pre iPhone with Google

1355
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: calendar and things like that. Liked, we were still using

1356
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: paper calendars on our walls. You weren't going to write

1357
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 1: that out in your school planner, you know, like, it's

1358
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: not It was just a different time. And I think

1359
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: remembering things like that are much easier now. Um, yeah,

1360
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: we have constant reminders now. But also, I don't know

1361
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: that the writers when we started the show understood the

1362
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: depth of our character's chemistry. You know, that we really

1363
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: were a love story. Yeah, they didn't for sure, And

1364
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: I do think that. First of all, thank you for that,

1365
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: because as soon as Joy read this question, I wanted

1366
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: to barrow from It was always a thing that upset me. Well,

1367
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: I didn't come here, we did. That's true. Baby is sick,

1368
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:01,480
Speaker 1: oh man, But no, it's very true. But I think, um,

1369
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: this is really indicative. When you guys have heard us

1370
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: talk about the ways that we went to bat for

1371
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: our characters and fought for them to be more wholly

1372
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: represented and complete young women and women, this is exactly it.

1373
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: We were really still five episodes in, although you know,

1374
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: Peyton had this incredible storyline about grief that I think

1375
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: was the most adult thing we had done on the

1376
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 1: show so far, we were still kind of being treated

1377
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: as these secondary characters. It was two boys. They were

1378
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: the stars. It was about basketball, and we were the girls,

1379
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,480
Speaker 1: and we'd be used where they needed us, and especially

1380
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: with Brook, you know, because I was added in an

1381
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: episode one, they were like captain of the cheer squad, like, well,

1382
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: she's that stereotype. And and these were the kinds of

1383
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: things that we would bring to the table over and

1384
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: over and over again and say it wouldn't be like this,

1385
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: girls wouldn't miss this, we would never ignore this. And

1386
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, Wolf, it was brutal at times. And also,

1387
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: let's be honest to hear like, well, well this is

1388
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: not really the point of the episode, and it's like,

1389
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: oh okay, well, but it was like it was a

1390
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: fight all you know, the whole time, because like when

1391
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 1: Brooke got beat up and Peyton's like, oh you throw

1392
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: on the stairs. You know, like there's certain things that

1393
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: you can only fight so many fights, especially when you're

1394
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: you know, it's season one and you're brand new, and

1395
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: there are things that's a really good point. There are

1396
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,440
Speaker 1: things that are required for us as performers to suspend

1397
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: disbelief to service the story, like when that happened to

1398
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: Brooke and Peyton had to go, Oh my god, honey,

1399
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: like what a horrible fall you took, Because if you'd known,

1400
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: then we wouldn't have had the drama of the episode.

1401
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: If Brooke had been there for Peyton in the way

1402
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: that I would think she would have been, Peyton wouldn't

1403
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: have been alone for the whole episode crying in her

1404
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: are so sometimes it somewhere to go, but you know,

1405
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: I mean, every gives your character somewhere to go. So

1406
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: it was it worked in that way. Well, the redemption

1407
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: so much sweeter, you know, like then when Brooks shows up,

1408
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: you know, it just the yeah, the redemption. But it

1409
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: would have been so nice to see you guys connect

1410
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: in that way in real life when things ever went south,

1411
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: we were all hugging and kissing, you know. I mean,

1412
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: I will say, because this is now the second time

1413
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: I've thought of it Um in reference to this, because

1414
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: because this is about grief and so much of you know,

1415
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: so many of the big moments in this episode happened

1416
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: on the Quad. I'll never forget Um shooting at school

1417
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: one day on the Quad, and it was a day

1418
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: my grandfather died and Hillary, you were the person like you.

1419
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: I got the call from my mom and you just

1420
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: like I didn't know I was falling but until I

1421
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: realized you'd caught me. And like we went through that

1422
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: stuff in that school, like in those places together all

1423
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: of us, Like our real grief are real loss, like

1424
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: you lost people. I mean we lost when you were

1425
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: the first person I saw. You know, we were so

1426
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: blessed to be there for each other in in life

1427
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: and that is something I cherish that we got it

1428
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: right behind the time when we didn't get it right

1429
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: all of the times. Um, you know on camera, Yeah,

1430
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: it's it's nice when you feel like it's real. And

1431
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: I think that's why the audience wants to know, like, ah,

1432
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: how could this be? But um, the real stuff was real.

1433
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: So if if you were feeling like, oh, this relationship

1434
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: deserved more, just know that it did exist, just like

1435
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: off camera. Um. Yeah. And that kind of leads into

1436
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: the next question that we have um with Mackenzie wants

1437
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: to know if I kept any of the albums that

1438
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: Peyton had in her room and like, maybe this is

1439
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: a tough subject because no, Um, when I left the show,

1440
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:23,919
Speaker 1: it was kind of unceremonious. I after the fact somebody

1441
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 1: snuck me Ellie's leather jacket our costume or knew that

1442
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: that was something that would mean a lot to me

1443
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: and it was never gonna be seen again, and so

1444
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: she passed it like through a secret channel of people

1445
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 1: to get to me. Um, but the only things I

1446
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: have from the show are things that so stole when

1447
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: the show ended and mailed to me. She was like,

1448
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: I have a box that was even Peyton never came back.

1449
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: The real life relationship behind the lens is what you

1450
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: guys hoped it would be, you know, like, yes, my

1451
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: best friend stole my stuff. I mean, I remember that

1452
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: was so hard. You know, you even referenced Brooks wedding

1453
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: like joy and I were like, this feels weird, but

1454
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta like do it. And and I

1455
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: think there was obviously there was such a saving grace

1456
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: for us in in getting to have the safety of

1457
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: of Brooke and Haley after all those years. But oh man,

1458
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean this is a fast forward. But I remember

1459
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: the end of the show, when we were filming the

1460
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: Tree Hill movie and when we built Peyton's room, and

1461
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 1: you know, the bookshelves, the records. It had all been

1462
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 1: in storage. That's something that the audience may not know

1463
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: to like guys, they keep everything in boxes and it's cataloged,

1464
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: and like they break the sets down and they literally

1465
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 1: pack up buildings in storage containers and yeah, like that,

1466
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,879
Speaker 1: it's all somewhere. And I walked into you know, Peyton's

1467
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: room with the records, and I just starting and I

1468
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: was like, this is really weird. I'm feeling very emotional.

1469
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: I grew up in this room on television and also

1470
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: in real life. Um, but yeah, it was a trip

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01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: and that that was kind of when when we were

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01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 1: like getting into the last two weeks, I just started

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01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: stealing stuff to people. I was like, I'm gonna take this,

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01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: you know, because I was like I was like, I know,

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01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: these things are just gonna go like in a storage

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01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: container and no one's ever going to see them again.

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01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: And I don't like that. I'm too sentimental. I feel

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01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: like a lot of our stuff got sold in auctions

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01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: and things like that. So if anybody has like my

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01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: old clothes, like, I'll buy him back. I'm not weird

1481
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: stuff back. I kind of like that. Yeah, Joy, we

1482
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: have a question from Carla, she wants to know that

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01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: cracker Jack bracelet from Hayley's first tutorin SI with Nathan,

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01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: did you need to keep it? So I'm going to

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01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: ruin I'm going to burst the bubble, like I don't

1486
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: want to ruin fantasy with them. I'm like, there's a

1487
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: story here. No, it's not a real want to make

1488
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: something else. It's actually so non exciting. The prop department

1489
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 1: had like a giant plastic bag full of these bracelets,

1490
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: and there wasn't so there wasn't just one. It was

1491
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: like plastic bag. He would give them out to like

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01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 1: extras and people who were like, oh I want one,

1493
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: I on one. So the actual original one that he

1494
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: put on my wrist just went right back into a

1495
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: plastic bag. So somebody out there has the actual original one,

1496
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: but there's no way we would ever know which one.

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01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: Did you get to keep any Yeah? I have one, Yes,

1498
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: yes I do, but it was just a random one

1499
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: from a plastic bag, you know. So the sentiment is

1500
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: nice to though, because like now every girl who has

1501
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: one is looking at her wrist like this could be

1502
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, oh I love that. Wait wait, and

1503
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: and Carla has a sort of part two of her question,

1504
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: which I don't think I know the answer to about

1505
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: you either. Joy. Were you ever a tutor in high school? No,

1506
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: you didn't. You didn't tear horrible in school? No did

1507
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: you really? I would have said that you were like

1508
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: the straight a girl. No, No, I was. I was

1509
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: bess at best. If I ever got an a was

1510
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: like throw her a party. I mean, no, I just

1511
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't learn well in classroom environments. Now.

1512
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 1: Whenever I was on set and I had a personal teacher,

1513
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: and I would fly through my curriculum and I would

1514
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: do really really well because I had one on one

1515
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: and somebody that could work with my My brain learns

1516
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: um and processes information in a way that's just not

1517
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:42,879
Speaker 1: conducive with the public school um system. In the classroom environment,

1518
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: I asked a lot of questions because my brain kind

1519
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: of works. Were like, it's not enough for me to

1520
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: just know what the answer is. I need to know

1521
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 1: why that's the answer, and I need so that I

1522
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: can understand. Don't don't just tell me that if I

1523
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: put the toast in and I click it down, it's

1524
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: going to heat it. Why is it heating it? How

1525
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: does that work? I need to understand, and teachers don't

1526
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: have time for that. So I could never just learn

1527
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: the answer and then copy it down. My memory wouldn't

1528
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: hold things like that, So I did pretty badly in school.

1529
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: To be honest, do you guys have a weird short

1530
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: term memory thing? I'm doing TV for as long as

1531
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: we did, because whoa. I've realized that when you get

1532
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: trained to learn ten pages of dialogue a day and

1533
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: then forget it and learn ten more the next day. Man,

1534
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, what happened? There's a story, it was

1535
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: my birthday. Start start the story, and if someone gets

1536
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: four lines in then it's exactly like the reaction you

1537
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: had watching the scene on the bridge. I'm like, oh,

1538
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: I know this dialog, I know this, I remember. I

1539
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: remember every word of the scene with Lucas. It was

1540
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: the weirdest feeling to watch that scene back and be like,

1541
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, was it maybe my audition seat. There's

1542
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: no way that scene was written when I auditioned. I

1543
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,799
Speaker 1: don't know why. It's just it's like stapled to my brain.

1544
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: I know every single one of those words. I could

1545
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 1: do that same tomorrow. It's just because you had to

1546
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: do it over a weed whacker and over and over. Yeah,

1547
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: you know what it was, the trauma of the weed whacker.

1548
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 1: It just cemented it. Yeah. Um, so though you, you

1549
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: were different because you can read a book and remember

1550
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: what was in the book and have intelligent conversations about

1551
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: it long after you've you've read it. I remember this

1552
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: about you. I can't. I mean, I can process information. Yeah,

1553
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: but you like you remember? That's really kind. I so

1554
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 1: this is this can be a conundrum. This is really

1555
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 1: good for me as an advocate. I can rattle off

1556
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: social science data till I'm blue in the face. But

1557
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: when I tell you, I do not know my mother's

1558
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: cell phone number, I don't know. I know the first

1559
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: three digits, but I don't. I don't know it. I

1560
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: just don't. There are basic things I cannot remember. But

1561
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: I can tell you a quote from some Dutch report

1562
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: on gender pay parody from I don't know why I'm

1563
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: like this, And sometimes I look at people I love

1564
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm so sorry, thank you for loving me. Um,

1565
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:28,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what that is. Okay,

1566
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: So we have a huge episode next week. What's next week?

1567
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: It's episode six. Every night is another story. Oh that's

1568
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 1: a good party. I think it's the party, wait, the

1569
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: beach house party. It might be the fancy house party,

1570
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: like dresses and suits, the one where I had to

1571
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 1: rip Chad's shirt off. I don't remember any of this

1572
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: red solo cups. Yeah it was. It was a tough one, man.

1573
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I guess you guys all guess

1574
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 1: we're all good old find out next week. We have

1575
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: a question. Alright, So you guys have to watch the

1576
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: episode because we're watching the episode. Um, and in the meantime,

1577
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 1: tell all your friends because we're having a great time here.

1578
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: We love it, And thank you guys for your questions.

1579
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 1: These are so just lovely and thoughtful and sentimental and

1580
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: they mean a lot. So if you are feeling some

1581
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 1: overwhelming feelings like Peyton in this episode, there is no

1582
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: shame in asking for help. The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

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01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: is one eight hundred two seven three eight to five five.

1584
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,400
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1585
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: care about you, and so we want you to to

1586
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:50,439
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