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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi everybody, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Monday Morning Podcast, which of course was tape Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: I'll get to Rick Buker, my guest. Great interview, by

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Speaker 1: the way, So a couple of thoughts before we go

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Speaker 1: into the podcast. First of all, I'm in the process

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, which is odd. I feel like

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a salesman on the road earning

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Speaker 1: his keep. But it was amazing, glorious. The weather was

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Speaker 1: unbelievable all day Sunday in California. Everybody was out drinking, joyful, eating.

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Speaker 1: You can just feel this collective optimism with COVID. The

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Speaker 1: numbers are going down, the vaccine is working. It was

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Speaker 1: just so night was the first time in a long

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Speaker 1: time I'll just say that it was so nice to

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Speaker 1: go out and see people socializing and wherever you live,

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Speaker 1: obviously you know, the warmer the state can often help

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Speaker 1: but I haven't seen that in a long time. It's

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Speaker 1: not great weather all over the country. We all know

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Speaker 1: that our thoughts go to people in Texas and other

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Speaker 1: places dealing with this stuff. But in my part of

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Speaker 1: the world, we've been dealing with this pandemic like the

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Speaker 1: rest of you for a year. And I really felt

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Speaker 1: today on Sunday night, it was just wonderful to see

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Speaker 1: people out and about and socializing and spending their money

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Speaker 1: and happy and eating and drinking, big groups of people everywhere.

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Speaker 1: A couple of football notes, So Matt Stafford is off

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Speaker 1: the market. He's with the Rams. Carson Wentz is off

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Speaker 1: the market, he is with the Colts. I was talking

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Speaker 1: to a very close source to our show on the Herd,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I asked about Sam Darnold. I said,

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Speaker 1: and I think championship level defenses. They both need an

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Speaker 1: upgrade at quarterback. And all I was told was Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold was highly thought of by both the Bears and

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Speaker 1: the Washington football team. He was highly thought of. So

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Speaker 1: if you look at the people that are on the

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Speaker 1: market now, if you can't secure a deal with Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: who we think, but we're not sure we'll be traded.

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Speaker 1: Darnold's a better pure thrower of the football than Marcus Mariota.

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Speaker 1: Darnold is healthier than Jimmy Garoppolo. Donald is more dynamic

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Speaker 1: feels like to me between these teams vying for a

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Speaker 1: the more you believe Matt Jones, the Alabama quarterback coming

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Speaker 1: All right, let's bring in our guest. Been a buddy

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Speaker 1: about twenty years. There's a lot of different angles. Now

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Speaker 1: this is about the time of the year that I

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Speaker 1: really get into the NBA. I watched two games today.

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Speaker 1: Celtics and Pelicans today, and I'll start with the Pelicans.

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Speaker 1: Zion's numbers right now are their cartoonish. She's shooting like

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Speaker 1: sixties six percent from the field. It's like Wilt. It's insane.

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Speaker 1: Now it's they won today. They're not translating to wins.

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Speaker 1: That's my first issue, not really issue questions. Secondly, I'm

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Speaker 1: amazed at the pushback on Zion. And it may only

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Speaker 1: they haven't translated to wins. Is that a mark on

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Speaker 1: three pointer. That's it. That's essentially what everybody plays, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He's just the most talented. And you know, Antoine Walker

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia or out of the Eastern Conference, but if they do,

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Speaker 1: if it's a Nets Lakers series. As of right now,

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Speaker 1: I like the Nets chances because they're not just good

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Speaker 1: at that style, but they're coming with more motivation than

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Speaker 1: anybody else has. Those guys, those three guys are so

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Speaker 1: they will find a way to play together to beat

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Speaker 1: that one guy. Where are we with Katie? Now? He's

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Speaker 1: hurt again? I mean, we know he's a little bit

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Speaker 1: emotionally fragile. It's okay, sensitive whatever, you know, that's who

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Speaker 1: he is. It's fine. I don't think he's weird. I

435
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Speaker 1: think Kyrie can be weird. I don't think Katie's weird.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just he's sensitive. He's Aaron Rodgers. He's

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Speaker 1: a little sensitive. Where are we with him? Um? You

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Speaker 1: can't marginalize him like Jannis, he gives you generally, he's

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Speaker 1: more unstoppable than Kauai. Again, I think he's more of

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Speaker 1: an offensive force than Anthony Davis. He does give you

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Speaker 1: effort on the defensive end, unlike James him. Is he

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Speaker 1: do you look at him, and I mean, I am beat,

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Speaker 1: doesn't I don't know it is m beat has some limitations.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin can just take over games with the ball.

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Speaker 1: Do you look at Durant today as a second best

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Speaker 1: player in the NBA. I kind of do when he's healthy.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I do. I do by default. That's how

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00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: I look. It's it's you know, it's he's he's. The

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Speaker 1: thing is is he's evolved. I don't even evolve, maybe devolved.

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Speaker 1: Like you think about KD in Oklahoma City, and he

451
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Speaker 1: was he was beloved, like he was such a warm

452
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Speaker 1: figure people. People love the durantula, and now I feel

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Speaker 1: like people are just kind of mystified, like what's he

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Speaker 1: really about? What's he? He's got this um, this unhappy

455
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Speaker 1: vibe about him no matter what happens. I mean this year,

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00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: like he comes back and I know that he was genuinely,

457
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: like he told people one of the reasons he didn't

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Speaker 1: go to the Knicks was because he wasn't sure that

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Speaker 1: he was going to be KD when he when he

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00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: came back, like can I still be that player? And

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00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: so he wanted to make sure that he was going

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Speaker 1: with another star, and he didn't want the pressure of

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Speaker 1: being a Knick if he couldn't be that guy, and

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Speaker 1: lo and behold, I think he is. I think he's

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Speaker 1: all the way. I mean, look, he looks as good

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Speaker 1: or better than he did, then there's no indication to

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00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: me that there's lingering effect. And he's playing on a

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Speaker 1: team with the two guys that he wanted to play

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Speaker 1: with and instant like chance of winning a championship, and

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Speaker 1: he's in Brooklyn. He's got everything he could possibly want.

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Speaker 1: And yet I don't sense any joy from him in

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Speaker 1: playing the game, and there was a time where I did.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that While that shouldn't necessarily affect

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Speaker 1: how we judge a player's overall ability, I think it does.

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Speaker 1: I think people like look at kde and they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's really good. What's wrong with him? Like not as

477
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Speaker 1: a player, as a part, like what's what's bothering him?

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Speaker 1: And when when you have that question, it I think

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00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: it distracts from looking at what he is as a player,

480
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: which is arguably the second best player in the league.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like he's chasing something but he's not sure

482
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Speaker 1: what he's yes, and and and and and there's like

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Speaker 1: a sinking feeling that I'm never whatever, I'm not going

484
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Speaker 1: to get there, like I'm sysiphus. You know, I'm just

485
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Speaker 1: gonna keep pushing it up the hill and this is

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Speaker 1: coming back or this minute again. You made the comparison

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I thought it was the you know, Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers after he won his first Super Bowl, he said,

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Speaker 1: is that all there is? And I feel like Kadi

490
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: went to Golden State and he's two time MVP Finals finalist,

491
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Speaker 1: finals MVP and wins two rings. And it was like, Okay,

492
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Speaker 1: that didn't that didn't do it. That didn't satisfy me.

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Speaker 1: Like what, it's okay, So I'm gonna go to Brooklyn

494
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Speaker 1: and I'll be the guy. And I like, I would

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Speaker 1: hope that I just I just would like to feel

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Speaker 1: like he's enjoying what's going on with him, and I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't get that. You know, we had talked earlier

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Speaker 1: about who I really feel are number one. I think

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Speaker 1: Chris paul Is, I think lebron Is, I think steff Is,

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Speaker 1: I think Damian lillard Is. I thought he should have

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Speaker 1: been in the All Star Game over Luca. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: the geographic location, Maybe it's because people feel like he's

503
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Speaker 1: a lesser version of Staff. I don't think it's that.

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Speaker 1: I mean between those two, keep in mind it's a

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Speaker 1: popularity vote, so uh is that Dame popular? I thought

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Speaker 1: he was more popular. He's a big game sho all

507
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: of Europe, like you get a concentrated country, and I

508
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: think that I would say that, and being in Dallas

509
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: and that market, and also the hype like this really

510
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Speaker 1: bothered me. I mean, I hate to be I hate

511
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Speaker 1: media on media crime, but I have to tell you

512
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: there are times where I look at my NBA media

513
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: brethren and I and there's storylines that come up and

514
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, who the hell is manufacturing this based on what?

515
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: And that was Luca don Sich being the favorite to

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Speaker 1: be the MVP this year coming into the season, and

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, waitnut, they got knocked out in the first

518
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Speaker 1: round in the bubble and his efficiency while he had,

519
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: his usage rate is through the roof and he dripped

520
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: like James Harden. Took all this grief from my NBA

521
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: media brethren about dominating the ball. Hello, have you seen Donsch?

522
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Donsitz has the ball all the time and

523
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: is not much better defensively, does not shoot the three

524
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: as well, turns the ball over, seems to be nicked

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00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: up physically all the time, and so I had that.

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Speaker 1: That's my issue with Dontsitch getting in ahead of Lillard

527
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Speaker 1: is that I feel like there was this narrative that

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Speaker 1: began in the preseason that buried him there. And it's

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Speaker 1: why I have an issue when you like, when you

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Speaker 1: you you annoint a guy as the preseason favorite to

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Speaker 1: be the MVP, he can only fall so far when

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00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: you put him that high, right, and he never deserved

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Speaker 1: to be that high. Yeah, that's that's I've said this before.

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00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: The MVP, he the Heisman is too parochial and too regional,

535
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: and the MVP and basketball is just who's the best story? Yep,

536
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: that's what it's been for years. Who you know? And

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00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: I get it, there's eighty two games. It gets overshadowed

538
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: by the NFL. It's a good you look for the story.

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00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: You know. What's funny is like Lebron was just such

540
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: a tired story. But now that he hasn't had it

541
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Speaker 1: for a while, and they tried a couple other names

542
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: out and then Lebron the door opens up and it's like, hey,

543
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: maybe Lebron winning another one would be a good story

544
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: and so but it's but it's that it's not like

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Speaker 1: I mean, to me, Lebron James was the MVP of

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Speaker 1: the league last year, just clearly. People for the same

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Speaker 1: point you made like a D might have had the numbers,

548
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: but to me, he got his numbers because of Lebron.

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00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: And hey, I talked to I talked to Maverick Carter

550
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: and he said, ten games into the bubble, the Lakers

551
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: about lost it. And I asked him on a podcast.

552
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: I said, they weren't very good in the first ten games,

553
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: and I said, something happened and he said, and this again,

554
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: this is his value. He said, Lebron just sort of decided, Okay,

555
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: we're here, we're gonna win this thing. But he said

556
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Speaker 1: it was really Lebron just made a decision. This is brutal.

557
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: I missed my kids, but we we got business to do.

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00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: And I always think we've never quite understood sort of

559
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: the mentally and physically. Lebron's a rock. He every night

560
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: he is a rock. A lot of these guys, Kawai's flakey,

561
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: so it's hardened. So's Kyrie k D is a little sensitive.

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00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: Jannis has limitations. Lebron is Who's that? I think Damian

563
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: is a total just doesn't have the physicality that Lebron has.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a he's an average size or slightly

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00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: under average point guard, you know, so he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: He's going to have his limitations there. But I all right,

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Speaker 1: Rick Buker, here we go. We're gonna do rapid fire

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Speaker 1: filling the blank to finish our podcast today. What are

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Speaker 1: you drinking, by the way, just having a little bit

570
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: of coffee. I went on a two and a half

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Speaker 1: hour bike ride with my wife from I live in

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Speaker 1: half Moon Bay. We went down to Pescadero and back.

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00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: The hills were one thing, but then we had a

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Speaker 1: headwind on top of it. I can do one or

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00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: the other, you give me both. I'm a little bit gassed. Yeah,

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00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't even know why you're

577
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: I didn't even go surf today. I was gonna go

578
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: surf afterward, I said, you know what, I've had enough.

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00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: I gotta get I gotta Colin. After this, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't do the triathlon. I can't, I can't bike, surf, Colin,

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Speaker 1: I can't it's gotta be too Here we go rapid

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Speaker 1: fire around with Rick Buker. The single best interview in

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00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: the game today is rapid fire. You gotta give a

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry. The NBA city you can't wait to travel

585
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: to once things get back to normal, is it ain't Sacramento?

586
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: So let's cross them all. Um, I'm gonna say New York.

587
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: Lebron is ranked blank on your all time greatest players list?

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00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: Um fourth four? Yeah, you know what can I I'm

589
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: gonna go from Steph Curry. I'm gonna go to his

590
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: teammate Daymond Green. Best best interview, Okay, I like him.

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00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: One thing. One thing people don't know about Steph Curry is, um,

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00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: he's a well they might know this. He's a better

593
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: human being than he is a basketball player. Bradley Beale

594
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: will be a blank by next season, an unhappy wizard.

595
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: What a what a I feel like? An absolutely wasted career.

596
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: I've loved Bradley Beale for five years. What a wasted career?

597
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: He's uh yeah, he's imprisoned. I know it's funny. Lebron

598
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: loves him. I've been told that by two people. Lebron

599
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: loves him totally would love to play with him. If

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00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: you can't get him out, what are you gonna give him?

601
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: The most fascinating player you've ever covered is Wow. I

602
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: could go a couple of different directions. My My first

603
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: instinct is to say Kobe Bryant, but I also got

604
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: to know Yao Ming really well and just the you know,

605
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: his coming from China, what he the I mean, the circumstances,

606
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: the society, the culture, like it was such a wild

607
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: shift for him to go from Shanghai Division three basketball,

608
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: no heat in the jim uh No sense of what

609
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: celebrity is, no like, no recognition that way to he's

610
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: a teammate with Steve Stevie Francis, Steve franchise as a

611
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: number one pick in the NBA rock and roll and

612
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: just like the fact that he handled as well as

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Speaker 1: he did, uh, that to me was it was extraordinary

614
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: to witness that. But Kobe. Watching the evolution of Kobe

615
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Speaker 1: from the time I saw him in Summer League as

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00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: a as a rookie too. You know, the last time

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00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: I saw him um, his transformation and his growth was

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00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: just I had a front row seat for it. So

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Speaker 1: that that was what was that? What was the Summer

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00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: League like it was at Long Beach State. It was

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Speaker 1: in the Pyramid. Yeah, there was no like, there was

622
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: no security like you could you could roll, you could

623
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: roam wherever you wanted to. Literally, after they played, I

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00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: walked straight into the locker room and Kobe there putting

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00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: his literally putting. He had a little backpack. He's putting

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00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: his It looked like a high school kid, which he

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00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 1: essentially was. And you still wore jocks back then. He's

628
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: putting his jock and his shoes in his little backpack.

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Speaker 1: And I introduced myself and he was so like excited

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Speaker 1: to talk. I don't know if I was at the

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00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: San Josee Mercury News or Washington Post at that point.

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00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't at ESPN yet, but he was just like

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Speaker 1: he just gushed. He was so excited and and and

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Speaker 1: he was a gunner already then, like you had Vets

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Speaker 1: out there, you had summer like he came out there

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Speaker 1: and he the instant he hit the floor, he thought

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Speaker 1: he was the best player in the gym. Just radiated

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Speaker 1: that from minute one. But it was just such an

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Speaker 1: innocent time to see him like that, and then to

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Speaker 1: see him go through Colorado and the fight with you know,

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Speaker 1: the battles with Shack and like and evolve his game

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Speaker 1: and like you know everything you know to win championships

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Speaker 1: with Shack and then to eighth seed and out and

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Speaker 1: and then to bring Phil back and get Palgasoul and

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Speaker 1: like craft a team, you know, get his ass kicked

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Speaker 1: by Boston and realize I can't do it by myself anymore.

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Speaker 1: I have to have help. Just watching that journey that

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Speaker 1: he made through his career was just it was It

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Speaker 1: was fascinating to watch. And I was fortunate enough that

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Speaker 1: we got to know each other very early on, and

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Speaker 1: he he gave me access and insight to him that

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like we could just have conversations about

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Speaker 1: the game and what was going on, and I wte

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Speaker 1: I wrote maybe like twenty percent of what I learned

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Speaker 1: from him, um, but seeing everything through his eyes was

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Speaker 1: it was just an amazing experience. Yeah, to be interesting,

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Speaker 1: you have to be interested. Kobe was interested in a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. He was really, you know, the a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a bond vivant by NBA standards, because

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Speaker 1: of his international background. He cared about He loves soccer,

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Speaker 1: he loved food, he loved travel multiple languages like he can't.

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Speaker 1: He didn't come up in aau like he was. He was,

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Speaker 1: you know, he came up his first playing was against

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Speaker 1: little Italian kids, right and um and so. And he

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Speaker 1: was always fascinated with as you said, like we would

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Speaker 1: have a conversation about something and that would spark his

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Speaker 1: interest and the next thing I knew he was diving

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Speaker 1: into whatever it was. Whole hog and that was it

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Speaker 1: was just made him a very interesting character. And then

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Speaker 1: he was just just this driven edge to him too. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people I love would refer

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Speaker 1: to him as being jelly Bean Bryant's revenge on the NBA,

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Speaker 1: the jelly Bean Bryant face. He was Kobe but didn't

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Speaker 1: have the game for it, but always thought he should have.

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Speaker 1: Like people just didn't recognize he was that great and

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Speaker 1: and so never got the recognition. So he created a

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Speaker 1: son who did everything that he thought he could have done.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff. Beauties, love having you on this the volume

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Speaker 1: our new little podcast network. You were great. You did

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Speaker 1: a triathlon, scaled the mountain, You need to go rest,

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Speaker 1: Just a bunch of topics. Hope to have you on again, buddy,

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