1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She is so smart, she 2 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: is brilliant. She is just twenty five years old with 3 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: the world in front of her. Just think for a 4 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: moment what you were doing at age twenty five. All 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: that them and vigor and energy, and the world is 6 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: still new and bright and shiny. When I was twenty four, 7 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: I was already a lawyer and trying to get on 8 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: at the District's Attorney's office. I'm talking, of course, about 9 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: beautiful Sydney Sutherland, just twenty five years old. But that 10 00:00:53,560 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: was not to be, And I want to know why. 11 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Sydney Sutherland, by twenty five 12 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: year old registered nurse, works at a medical center in Newport, Arkansas. 13 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: On the afternoon of August nineteenth, she goes for a jog, 14 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: something she does on a regular basis. Sidney even has 15 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: a regular route that she follows near her home. A 16 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: UPS driver reports seeing Sidney during her jog between two 17 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: thirty and three pm that afternoon, but that was the 18 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: last time anyone reports seeing her. Later that evening, a 19 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: call comes into authorities. Sydney Sutherland's car, keys and other 20 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: belongings are at her house, but Sydney is gone. Just 21 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: hearing our friend Dave Mack at Crime online dot com 22 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: saying that just gives me such an overwhelming sense of 23 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: foreboding because her car, her keys, and other belongings are 24 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: at her home, but no Sydney again. Thank you for 25 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nations Series Sex one eleven. 26 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: Let me introduce to you are all star panel to 27 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. First 28 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: of all, special guests joining us Mitch McCoy from k 29 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: a r K four. That's Fox sixteen News, Doctor Kendall Crowns, 30 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: the Deputy Medical Elexandra Travis County, Texas. That's Austin greg Smith, 31 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson County Sheriff's Office, Executive director of 32 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: the Keltsey Smith Foundation, and you can find him at 33 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: Keltsey's Army dot com. Renowned psychologists joining us from Manhattan. 34 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: It is Karen Stark. You can find her at Karen 35 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Stark dot com. That's with a C, California prosecutor, author 36 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: of Red Flags, host of Live with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ. 37 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: You can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. 38 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: And special guests joining me very dear to my heart. 39 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Lindsay's brother Sam Sutherland and her mother, Maggie. Miss Sutherland 40 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: and Sam, thank you so much for being with us. Maggie, 41 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: when did you first learn that you're a beautiful girl? 42 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: Sydney was nowhere to be found. It was on that Wednesday, 43 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: August the nineteenth, at five o'clock. Her boyfriend called and said, 44 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: have you heard from Sydney? And I said, no, what's 45 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: going on? He said, well, I'm here at the house 46 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: because he just got off work. Of the keys are here, 47 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: the doctor are here. You know. The last I heard 48 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: from her roots around two forty she was going for 49 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: a run, and you know, he was working. He's a farmer, 50 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: so he was working. And I haven't seen her, and 51 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: I've tried to call her and I can't get her 52 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: to answer any messages. Miss Southern. Let me ask you 53 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: a couple of quick questions. The boyfriend, how long have 54 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: they been together? They together around three years. And when 55 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: you say he's a farmer, I grew up in rural 56 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: Middle Georgia and all of our neighbors were farmers. Did 57 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: he farm his own land? May I ask? Yes? Yes? 58 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: So he was in control of his schedule. Correct. Yes, 59 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: they had working hours that day, so he could control 60 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: when and if he got off his tractor or went 61 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: back to the home. He worked for himself. It was 62 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: his farm. He's farming his own land. Correct, that he 63 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: farmed for his uncle. Right, it was a family it's 64 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: a family farm from farm with his uncle. But it 65 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 1: was near their house the day, the day he was working. 66 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: He would just you know, had worked that morning by 67 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: the house. And the reason I asked Miss Sutherland is 68 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: whether we like it or not. Statistically, when somebody goes missing, 69 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: cops look first at the husband, the ex husband, the boyfriend, 70 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: the lover, the sweetheart, the guy that wants to date 71 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: the person but ken't. That's where you look first. So 72 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: the very first thing you do when someone disappears or 73 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: goes missing is to see who they spoke to you last, 74 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: who reported them missing, and does that person have an alibi? 75 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: That is, as we say, air tight nights, not to 76 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: sound cliche. He's out farming, but he's not punching a clock, 77 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: and he could leave the tractor or the area when 78 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: he wanted and return when he wanted, so that Southern 79 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: cops immediately take into account when he called you, which 80 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: I find very interesting because he's the one that raised 81 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: the alarm that she's not there. What did you think 82 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: when he first called you and said, syd he's at home. 83 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: I said, well, what's going on? And he goes, I 84 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: don't know, and then he just went over it all 85 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: that her stuff was there at the house. And last 86 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: he taught to her was you know, around two forty 87 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 1: of the last snatchet that they had, she never opened 88 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: it and never answered it. In prior to that, she 89 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: had been answering them and talking. But the phone lines 90 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: at that time during that day from it looks like 91 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 1: from two forty to three or four, I'm not exactly 92 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: sure what time, just in that area the lines went down, 93 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: so she was not able to communicate if she was 94 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: able to communicate. So if she cannot communicate, how did 95 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: he know that she was going for a run, because 96 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: she had he had already taught to her earlier. He 97 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: talked to her about two two o'clock, between two and 98 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: two thirty, and she texts him as she goes, m 99 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: fixing to go for a run and then I'll be 100 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: back home. She was always a real fitness buff. I'm 101 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: looking at a picture of the two of you together, 102 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: And to tell you the truth, you know, I had 103 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: to look hard at the picture to figure out who 104 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: is Sydney and who is her mother. You two look 105 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: like you look like sisters, almost like twins as a 106 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: matter of fact, both with the same big smile, the 107 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: same hair, the same hair style, the same eyes. She 108 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: is a mini me of yours. I call my little 109 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: girl my mini me sometimes right to her face, because 110 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: we like the same thing as we do the same things. 111 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Is Sydney a lot like you? Yes, ma'am. Sydney and I, 112 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we've been told that many times that we 113 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: look like sisters. But Sydney and I were very very close. 114 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: Even in the investigation. When they did start doing the investigation, 115 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: the questions were, you know, who would know the best 116 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: about Sydney and would know the most about it, and 117 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: her best friend goes, you need to talk to her 118 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: mom because her mom is her best friend. She's by 119 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: her side all the time, and if anything needs to 120 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: be known, her mom knows about Sydney because they are 121 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: just being close all of her life. And the one 122 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: that Sidney always want to rely on what her mom. 123 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: When you first realized she wasn't where she was supposed 124 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: to be. Where did you think she would be at? 125 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: What time did he call you? Did you say around 126 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: five five o'clock? Yes, ma'am. Where should she have been 127 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: at five o'clock on a Wednesday? Well, at that time 128 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: I did not know. He had to tell me, Like, 129 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: the last I talked to her was around two, and 130 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: she's going for a run because I had not spoke 131 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: to her since about twelve o'clock that day. Prior to that, 132 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: we had just got home from a week vacation in Florida, 133 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: so we just got home the night before. They got 134 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: home at nine and Stamini and his family got home 135 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: about ten, So I didn't see her till the next morning, 136 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: and she came by my house around twelve o'clock. We 137 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: don't have like a really big local gym or anything, 138 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: So she drove to Jones's Old which is about thirty 139 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: miles away, and she did her workout with a trainer 140 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: that she goes to because she hadn't been there in 141 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: a week and she was just she loved to work 142 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: out running. Is that a male trainer or a female trainer? 143 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: Um their husband and wife there on the train, their 144 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: Gym Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Sam Sutherland joining 145 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: us in addition to Mom Maggie. Sam, So you you 146 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: all went together on vacation, Yes, ma'am, Yes, where did 147 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: you go? We went to this in Florida for a week. Well, 148 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: you know what you can't beat that you can't beat 149 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: in the Okay. So we had a wonderful time and 150 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: I sent many many a happy time on golf coat. 151 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: It's not far from where my dad's farm in Alabama. Um, Sam, 152 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: when did you first realize you? Are you and your 153 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: sister close? I'm very close with my sister and brother, 154 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: are you? Yes? Yes, we talked, we quite well actually 155 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: that morning the morning. Note we also farm, my family, 156 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: my dad, me, me and my dad and my brother. 157 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: We all farmed together. Yeah. And actually the road she's 158 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: running on is a much up to our farm, and 159 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: we all these farmed but up together. Yes, I know 160 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. Sometimes you don't know one 161 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: one piece of land ends and the next one begins. 162 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: But I guarantee of the farmers at farming know for sure. 163 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: If you seem when did you when were you told 164 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: Sydney's not where she's supposed to be. Was that a 165 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: day she was supposed to be at work? Uh? No, ma'am, 166 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: my mom, I just picked up my daughter. I have 167 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: two daughters, and that's what That's one thing about Sydney. 168 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: She wasn't a mom, she was a she was an aunt. 169 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: So you learned that day as well. Do you guys 170 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: know if she was apposed to report to work that day? No, ma'am, 171 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: she was don't not supposed to report to work. So 172 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: that makes it even more difficult. Let me go to you, 173 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: Mitch McCoy ka Ark four, Fox sixteen News. The first 174 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: thing you want to do when somebody goes missing is 175 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: nail down a timeline, and it always helps me to 176 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: know what their routine is or should be on that days. 177 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: In my mind, out of all the cases I've ever 178 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: prosecuted or investigated or covered, when somebody has to report 179 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: to work, that is a keystone of the investigation because 180 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: if they don't report to work, you know they're missing 181 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: at Let's just say, as a prosecutor, eight am, if 182 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: I didn't report to work, there's something wrong. But on 183 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: a day when you don't have to report to work, 184 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: then your schedule is fluid and it's a lot harder 185 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: to nail down a timeline. Mitch McCoy, when did you 186 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: a ka Ark four Fox sixteen, learn that Sydney Sutherland 187 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: was miss well, it was that day, and I think 188 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: that that speaks to just how small of a town 189 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: that Jackson County is. They knew that when Sydney didn't 190 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: come home that something was wrong. They had volunteers out 191 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: later that night after five o'clock, continued through the early 192 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: morning hours that following day. It searched picked back up, 193 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: and at this point it's it's every agency you can 194 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: think of in the state, from the Department of Correction 195 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: their dogs to horses and helicopters from the state police. 196 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: They knew that something was wrong. Here with me, miss McCoy, 197 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: Kark four Fox sixteen, Mitch, I want to circle back 198 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: to something you just said. You said in a town 199 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: that small, I came from an area that was not 200 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: even a town. It was unincorporated bib County. We have 201 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: a making address making Georgia in the very geographical center 202 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: the state, but we didn't live anywhere near the city. 203 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: I was naked. So tell me about this area where 204 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: Sydney goes missing. It's very important to the investigation. I'll 205 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: tell you why, but you tell me about the area first. Yeah, 206 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: very The area is incredibly small. The local high school graduates, 207 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: if memory serves correctly, maybe fifty or so in a class. 208 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: The sheriff knows Sydney personally, so this is a small 209 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: town that everyone knows everyone. So when the alarm bell 210 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: started ringing, they knew that something was very off here. 211 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, Maggie, miss Southerland, what was going through 212 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: your mind as the hours tick by and you don't 213 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: hear from Sydney, what were you thinking? I was very devastated, but, 214 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: like I said, as soon as I got there out 215 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: so there, you know, I looked in the house just 216 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: to see what I could find that maybe was not 217 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: or anything. Everything was all okay. She had changed her 218 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: shoes because everyone's talking about her pink Tenny shoes, but 219 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: they're laying there. She did not use them to run 220 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: out on the dirt road. I was like, so she 221 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: changed to her running shoes for running out on the farm. 222 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: She'd even changed her clothes. They were laying right there 223 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: and where she changed. So everything looked normal and Alex 224 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: and I talked well immediately I just start calling sam 225 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: My son, Tyler, her older brother, and her dad. I 226 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: was like, I need y'all here now, something's wrong. I 227 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: just know something wrong. Some Sydney is not here. I 228 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: need y'all to get here. And Sam said he just 229 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: picked up the girls to come straight there and her Tyler, 230 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: her other brother, and Dingham was there immediately. They immediately 231 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: start driving down that road where she ran, just like 232 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, everybody checking it out. I stayed at the house. 233 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: I started calling the sheriffs office. I was calling at 234 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: and t like I'm trying to get down to ping 235 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: in on her phone. You know I would already. I mean, 236 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: in my heart, I knew something were drunk because that 237 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: Sydney just does not do disappear like that. I want 238 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: to follow up on what you're saying. Two things to 239 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick about the shoes, and to Karen start the 240 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: feeling the mom. Maggie Sutherland got Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, 241 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: author of Red Flags, host of Live with Doctor Wendy 242 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: k CBQ. Wendy, the mom is just telling us that 243 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: people got it wrong about her daughter's shoes, and a 244 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: lot of people that are not experts would think that's 245 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: neither here nor there. Who kills what kind of shoes 246 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: she's got on, It's very significant. It's very significant as 247 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, because it tells me where she 248 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: most likely was. Her mother knows that she wore a 249 00:15:55,240 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: certain pair of shoes to go run on the dirt road. 250 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: She would not wear her pink Tina shoes no more 251 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: than I would wear a pair of high heels I 252 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: have to use to make appearances out to go jogging 253 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: or to play badminton or basketball with the twins. That 254 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't happen. So that kind of clue is very significant. 255 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: And when moms like Maggie Southern or another person close 256 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: to a victim says something like that, cops need to 257 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: listen because it's very very critical. That's right. And that's 258 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: one of the reasons, Nancy, that investigative skills are so 259 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: key when you have cases like this, when somebody goes missing, 260 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: and I know that is just every parent's nightmare to 261 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: hear that all of their child's belongings are where they're 262 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: supposed to be and their child is not. But if 263 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: a certain pair of shoes is also missing, then you're 264 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: absolutely right on a free day where there's no obligation 265 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: to be at work or at school of picking up children. 266 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: It is those little details that are so valuable in 267 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: piecing together or they might have gone, where they might 268 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: be and where police can start first, if you, Karen, 269 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: start NewYork psychologists joining us, Karen, did you hear what 270 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: Maggie said? She's standing there, she sees the home, she 271 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: sees everything in place, and she knows right then something 272 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: is very wrong. She starts calling everybody she knows, the dad, 273 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: the brothers, this that everybody get out there and start 274 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: looking for Sydney. That instinct is much more than a hunch. 275 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: It's something that is borne by literally thousands of years 276 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: of evolution. And I don't like it when investigators pooh 277 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: pooh it, Well they're wrong. Answer to poop poo it. 278 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: You know more than anyone what it's like to, especially 279 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: a mother's instinct. Mother's know. I remember once I was 280 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: in a car accident and my mom called her and said, 281 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: what's wrong? And it was just amazing to me that 282 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: she stuff and she wasn't there the sense that something 283 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: had happened. And it is much more than just something 284 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: that's a hunch. There's a lot of scientific evidence to 285 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: show that this is true. When you heaven instinctive feeling 286 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: that something is wrong, pay attention. And this mother knew 287 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: her daughter. You know what, Karen Stark, it brings to 288 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: mind Phil Vatranto, the father of the Long Island jog 289 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: or Koeen of Vatronto. He typically jogged with her, but 290 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: that day she hadn't been gone. He didn't go. Fifteen 291 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: minutes after she was gone out the door, he got 292 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: an overwhelming sense of concern. He actually felt he heard 293 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: her call his name, Daddy. He knew something was wrong. 294 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: Just like Maggie Sutherland is telling us right now. People 295 00:18:49,480 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: listen to what mom is saying. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. 296 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about the disappearance of Sydney Southland, just twenty 297 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: five years old. She's a mama's girl. She's mom's mini me, 298 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: and mom knows something is very, very wrong, joining me. 299 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: Special Deputy's Sheriff, Johnson County Sheriff's Office, Kansas Executive Director 300 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: Kelsey Smith Foundation, Greg Smith. You know, Greg, I was 301 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: talking about establishing a timeline and when Kelsey went missing, 302 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: y'all you guys were expecting her home. I believe, as 303 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: you said, she was about eight miles away, eight minutes 304 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: away or so from home, and she didn't make it home, 305 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: and you knew almost immediately after half an hour passes 306 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: something's not right. Oh, exactly, Nancy. In fact, well, I 307 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: was listening to what you were talking about. There's a 308 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: couple of things that really came to mind. One is 309 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: talking about that instinct toward that intuition that that parents, 310 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: are family or even friends sometimes have about their loved one, 311 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: and investigators paying attention to that. That's something that we 312 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: teach when we go out to law enforcement and do 313 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: different things with the Kelsey Smith Foundation, that that's a 314 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: key thing to pay attention to. It really does. It's 315 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: an indicator for an investigator because these people know the 316 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: pattern of life of this person, whether it's on their 317 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: day off or whether it's on the day that they're 318 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be working. And the other thing that is 319 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: really critical I notice in this case is the cell 320 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: phone location data. And the cell phone is a is 321 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: a database a pattern of life. I mean, if an 322 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: investigator can get his hands on a cell phone and 323 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 1: get access to the information that's in there, you can 324 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: figure out where that person's been and they've been there. 325 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's amazing how much information. Even people 326 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: that say, well I don't share my data, I don't 327 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: use this, it's still there. That data. Oh, it is 328 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: so there. You are so right, Greg Smith joining us 329 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: from Kansas and speaking of data, take a listen to 330 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: our friends at Jackson County. As a sheriff, David Lucas, 331 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: we have the only thing we know of right now 332 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: is we have a confirmed sighting of her at around 333 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: between two thirty and three o'clock yesterday afternoon in the 334 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: area of Jackson County Road forty one, which is just 335 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: north and kind of west of her residence. She was 336 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: on foot without walking and jogging. We received that information 337 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: from an UPS driver this morning that saw her. We're 338 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: kind of concentrating on that general area because with the 339 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: phone things that we've been getting from AT and T, 340 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: plus the information from the people that said they saw her, 341 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: it's pretty much going to be in that general area, 342 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: and that's where we're concentrating the most right now. We're 343 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: not ruling anything out. You're hearing the sheriff speaking and 344 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: he just devolves something very very important and I want 345 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: you to harken back to the Jennifer Dulo's case to 346 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: Connecticut missing mom of five, and you know, all of 347 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: you legal eagles, that the cops in that Connecticut area 348 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: put together an incredible video montage from home residential home 349 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: security cameras, from businesses, gas stations, the nel salon to 350 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: this that to see the car, the target car going by. 351 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: Even when a school bus open the doors, the video 352 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: camera in the bus catches a car go by. That 353 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: is how critical the surveillance video is. And we are 354 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: learning that a UPS worker confirms seeing her the previous day. 355 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: But now we gotta find out did the UPS worker 356 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: have a surveillance and in the vehicle And also take 357 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: a listen to Logan Whealie Kai T News eight. Plenty 358 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: of people are still out and about looking for twenty 359 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: five year old Sydney Sutherland. Here's what we learned from 360 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: Sheriff David Lucas this morning. Jackson County authorities and volunteers 361 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: search late into Wednesday night searching for the twenty five 362 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: year old. Chriff Lucas says he doesn't have any solid 363 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: leads on her whereabouts other than that she was seen 364 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: last or Wednesday afternoon as a UPS driver saw heard 365 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: near County Road forty one. Sheriff Lucas says he's leaving 366 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: no stone unturned and trying to find her. We're working 367 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: every aspect we can think of, from the social media 368 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: side to the physical side, so we're not really ruling 369 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: anything you're hearing Sheriff David Lucas speaking. So right then 370 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: and there, you know, the cops are already looking at 371 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: a the boyfriend, although Mom Maggie Sutherland tells me they 372 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: weren't having any problems. She went to the home. Nothing 373 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: seemed amiss, nothing odd about his demeanor, except if you 374 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: wanted to find Sydney, then you got the UPS driver 375 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: that says he saw her. He would immediately come under 376 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: suspicion just by the fact that he says he saw her. 377 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: We also know she went to the gym earlier. They're 378 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: looking for video from the gym, but the reality is 379 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: Mom Maggie tells me she made it back from the 380 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: gym because her clothes and her shoes are there in 381 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: the home, so nobody snatched her at the gym. And 382 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: then suddenly a break in the case. The cell phone 383 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: of Sydney Sutherland has recovered a quarter mile from her home. 384 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: A quarter mile from her home. Now to you, Mitch 385 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: McCoy k a r K four Fox sixteen described the 386 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: area for me where her phone was found. Well, the 387 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: phone was found about a mile or so from her home. 388 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: This was a very rural area, dirt row, a lot 389 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: of farmland, and the sheriff came out and said that 390 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: they had found the phone and the phone was not damaged, 391 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: which which was alluding now at that point that there 392 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: was possibly some kind of abduction. That was the feel 393 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: from law enforcement, even though they were not saying it. 394 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: It was certainly the field that you got. And I 395 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: believe it was in that news conference that they ruled 396 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: out the boyfriend. They said that the boyfriend is not 397 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: a suspect, that he has an airtight alibi. They sure 398 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: jed to doctor Kendall Crowns, Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County. 399 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: That's Austin, Texas, doctor Kendall Crowns. We know, for instance, 400 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: in the career of a Toronto case in DNA not 401 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: only her DNA but her killers a DNA were both 402 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: on her cell phone. How does it happen, Well, anytime 403 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: you touch an object, the oils in your hands or 404 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: your skin cells themselves can be transferred to anything. It's 405 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: cell phones, clothing, cars, anything you touch, you're leaving traces 406 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: of DNA on. So it's something that most people don't 407 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: realize that everything you handle, you've covered in your DNA, 408 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: and then anybody who handles it after you is also 409 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: covering it in their DNA. You're so right, Doctor Kindall Crowns. 410 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 1: Is called touch DNA for a reason. So when you 411 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: touch things, you're not only leaving behind fingerprints through the natural, 412 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: naturally occurring oil in your body, that oil is leaving 413 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: DNA behind. The cell phone discovery was a major breakthrough 414 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: in the search for Sydney Sutherland. But then fate intervenes. 415 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Kate would All Kai Region eight, 416 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: those close to Sydney confirming just a few minutes ago 417 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: that the body discovered today was hers. This is coming 418 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: from Sydney's boyfriend's parents. The body discovered was in Knee. 419 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: Sutherland straight out to Maggie Sutherland. How did you learn 420 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: Sydney had been found? I was out on the search 421 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: that day. You know, we had probably three hundred plus 422 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: people out on the search, but we were all searching. 423 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: They put us in areas in anyway, I was with 424 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: my best friends and we were out. We had just 425 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: found a spot on side of the roads where they 426 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: had found the phone that Thursday. So in that area 427 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: we were really searching her and we were on our 428 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: hands and knees. There was probably six to ten of 429 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: us there. Other people were pulled in there, and all 430 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden I found a bead and I was like, 431 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: the beads the beat off of Sydney's bracelet, and so 432 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: we were all just digging and we were finding more 433 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: and more. She hadn't said, well bracelet, as we seen 434 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: in the video. We did have a small camera at 435 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: her brother's house. She at my house at twelve, and 436 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: then she stopped by his house around one thirty where 437 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: she was leaving something from the vacation. So we did 438 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: have a picture of her at that time and probably 439 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: the last time take us in another car and putting 440 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: on his porch. But I was on the search, on 441 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: my hands and knees as everyone else come across the beach, 442 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, some of her best friend 443 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: came up to me and her dad and her brother, 444 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, mom, you gotta go, and I'm like, no, no, 445 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: I found something. There's something here. These are clothes. We 446 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: got to mark them when we was marking them with rocks, 447 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: and they said, no, you gotta go. Now that seemed 448 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: a little strange to me, but I went ahead and 449 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: I got in the side aside and I went to 450 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: the house and they told me that I need to 451 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: go on in the house. So I saw. So we 452 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: went in the house. I'm my best friends and everything, 453 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: and at that time they come in and said, we 454 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: found the body crime stories with Nancy Grace miss Sel 455 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: And what went through your mind? First of all, when 456 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: you found that bead off her bracelet, I knew that 457 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: at that point that Sydney was there. And then it 458 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: was going through my head someone has taken her because 459 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: it looks like the way the beads it wasn't all 460 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: the races, probably one or two, and I was like, 461 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: someone has taken her and pulled on her arm or 462 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: something for the beads to come off like that. And 463 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: this is just like five yards from where the phone 464 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: was found. Um so, I mean it was packed down, 465 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: everybody been searching and it's right by Rice phil So 466 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: in my mind, if I would go back and think. 467 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: And I was talking to my friends, I was like, 468 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, right here, someone grabbed her arm or something. 469 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: Someone tried to take her and it looked like she 470 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: was headed maybe to try to hit that rice field 471 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: to run from them, because it was right aside the 472 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: rice field that the phone was and where I found 473 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: the beads at When you were told that you had 474 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: to go, what went through your mind? I was very 475 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: upset and angry. I was like, no, I've got going. 476 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: I found evidence. I stayed. You know, I'm not leaving. 477 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: This is Sydney chere somewhere I found something, and very emotional, 478 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: very emotional, but you know that's my son. And what 479 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: did you have an idea about why you had to 480 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: leave the scene of the beads? They did not, because 481 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: I kept saying, why do I have to leave? You know, 482 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: I got to stay here or finding stuff? I can't 483 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: leave this. You know, about the time of the state 484 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: police and stuff pulled up in there and they're like, 485 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: go ahead, we've got this, we're looking at it. You 486 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: go on with them. So then we went to the 487 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: house to Sam Sutherland. This is Sydney's brother, very very 488 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: close Sam were you on the scene searching as well, Yes, ma'am. 489 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: I was actually the one told my mother to go 490 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: on to the house because we had I think it 491 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: was yes, Marshall ticks adjust and let us know they's 492 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: sound the body that day and uh. And it actually 493 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: about five minutes after I had my mom go to 494 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: the house, the share of David Lucas picked me up 495 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: and he took me to the house where my mother was, 496 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: and so on the way there he kind of give 497 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: me the rundown. Sam. When you were out there and 498 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: and your mom found that bead? What went through your mind? Well, 499 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: that's why I knew there was some type of struggle 500 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: there is what what we you know? We knew some 501 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: kind of struggle went on that at that one place. 502 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: Who found the strength to tell miss Sutherland? Uh? The sheriff, 503 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: David Lucas. Did did you know inside that Sydney was 504 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: dead before they called you? Did you since that that day? 505 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: I did? I did, yes, man, Maggie. And in your heart, 506 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: did you already believe Sydney had passed on? Or were 507 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: you hanging onto the fact you could find her if 508 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: you could just go fast enough. No, my untold time 509 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: was I was hanging on and I was like, now 510 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna find her. She's here, She's here somewhere because 511 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: here's her bead. She's somewhere close. Um. But we have 512 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: been searching since that the day before, I would say 513 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: about five thirty when everybody started. My boys, their best friends, 514 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: stayed at all that long walking that road. We just 515 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: all had the feeling there was something about that road 516 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: she was on running and they shade up. But no, 517 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: I never gave up on her. You know, I was 518 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: not going to give up on her. But no, I 519 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: had no ideal and I did not have no idea 520 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 1: why they were making me go to the house. You know, 521 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: take a list of our friend Journey Taylor A Kai 522 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 1: t Eight. Court documents are the first hand looking disturbing actions. 523 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: Investigators say Llewellen took this past summer. Now one of 524 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: the newest details how we'd searched on his phone need 525 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: evidence in the murder case. Police say they found that 526 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: about an hour after City Southerland disappeared, he was about 527 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: two point three miles from where her phone was found. 528 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: But that location Llewellen was at is actually just yours 529 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: from where it's where He's found Sutherland's body on August 530 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: twenty first, three days after her disappearance. In an interview 531 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: with investigators, Luellan admitted to hitting Sutherland with his truck. 532 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: He said he then loaded her up into his pickup 533 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: and took her to an area that investigators stay was 534 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: a reference on the phone's location services. Arkansas State Police 535 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: said he then raped and buried her. He's currently being 536 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: held with Albon. Let me understand to Miss Sutherland, this person, 537 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: Quake lleu Allen hit Sydney with his car. Yes he did. 538 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: He We don't know all the situation or anything, but 539 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: we do know that he passed her. The UPS truck 540 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: was going down the road and she remembers seeing Sydney 541 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: because she said, I've seen her running to us. Slow 542 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: down because of the dust route. It was a very 543 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: dusty day, no rain around here, so it was really dry. 544 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: So she goes, delivers her package, comes back by six 545 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: Sydney again still run and she blogs then again to 546 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: death draw off as Sydney, you know, stays on the 547 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: side and she said, I just glanced back. I have 548 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: seen Sydney still running, you know. So it was a 549 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: lady UPS and they do have times like when she 550 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: turns off on the main road to that dirt road 551 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: and everything. So she had her time on there and everything, 552 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: and she said, I remember passing one vehicle in there, 553 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: but I can tell you now, I just I couldn't 554 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: even tell you color or make or anything that I 555 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: did pass someone too, Miss McCoy k r K four. 556 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: Who is this quake? Llewellen well Quake Luellen is twenty 557 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: eight year old. He is a farmer just north of Newport, 558 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: which is the city hub of Jackson County. We know 559 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: that he is apparently graduated with Sydney from the high 560 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: school and according to some court after Davits, they were 561 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: at some point friend on Facebook, but it alludes to 562 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: them not being friends on Facebook. I guess when this 563 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: August nineteenth day came to Greg Smiths joining me special 564 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff Johnson County, who lost his daughter Kelsey to 565 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: violent crime. When you look back, do you ever wonder 566 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: why Kelsey? Why did it have to be Kelsey? Here 567 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: we're seeing quite Llewellen kind of new Sydney through school. 568 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: We don't know the extent of what he felt for her. 569 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: She did not have any romantic intentions toward him whatsoever. 570 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: But when you look back, it's hard to unravel it. Why, 571 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: How did it was this person targeted? It doesn't make sense. Well, 572 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: that's the hardest part about having a family member that's 573 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: a victim of botle of crime. Chances are you will 574 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: never find out the why. You'll know the who, the what, 575 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: the whin the where, but why never comes out? And um, 576 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean that that's the hardest part. Why was it Kelsey? 577 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean her killer? They had no contact at all, 578 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: It was just a random encounter, um, and you know 579 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: where he picked her out for whatever reason it was. 580 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: Even when he alocuted, he never really got specific on 581 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: on why Kelsey was the victim that he chose. So 582 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: my heart goes out to the family. I know what 583 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: you're feeling. Um, it's a tough thing to go through, 584 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: and you have my prayers. Sam Sutherland, I don't know 585 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: if you and your mom can't comment on this, but 586 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: did did did she know Quake Llewellen? I mean if 587 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: they went to school together and they had been Facebook friends, 588 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: do you think she's slowed down when she saw him? 589 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: She wouldn't, she wouldn't be scared of me, but no 590 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: means you know, right, for instance, if he would have 591 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: stopped the truck, I think she would have talked to him. 592 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: But they they they went out and they ate together 593 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: like with a group of friends from what from what 594 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: we hear years ago and uh, and so they knew 595 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: each other, but they they'd never talked to each other. 596 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: So if he pulled up beside her, she would probably 597 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: have slowed down or maybe even stopped. If he stopped 598 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: to talk. I wonder to this day, I wonder if 599 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,479 Speaker 1: he said, hey, you want to get in the truck, 600 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: and she said no, started running, so he ran over her. 601 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: We to our understanding, her on the county road or 602 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: there's an overpassed crossing h the interstate there and to 603 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: our understanding, as he went to the other side of 604 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: the overpass, turned around and came back. And we don't 605 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: know if he attempted to talk to her. We don't 606 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: know in old details like that, We don't know if 607 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: he stopped and talked and she didn't, you know, wouldn't 608 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: respond to him, or felt threatened. We don't know. We 609 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: don't have no idea on that. But can I jump 610 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: in here? Yeah, And just a kind of piggyback off 611 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: the family. You know. I was talking a little bit 612 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: about Sydney and being known around town, the sheriff, the prosecutor. 613 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: The sheriff and the prosecutor also no Quake Lwlland in 614 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: his family. I mean, that's how small of a town 615 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: this is. Everyone knows each other. I would like to 616 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 1: add up on Wednesday night, the mats you went missing, 617 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,439 Speaker 1: the upswever was the only one that's seen her. I've 618 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: got a call. We're close. We was close friends with 619 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: the ruell And family. Every year after we got down 620 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: on harvest, we'd always go help them finish their harvest step. 621 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: And on Wednesday night, about roughly uh seven thirty eight, 622 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 1: we got I got a phone call from Michael Ellen, 623 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,479 Speaker 1: which is Quake's father, and he told me that quite 624 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: seeing her around three thirty that day jogging and he 625 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: passed her and went on to chape As Welles and 626 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: came back and she was no longer there. So we 627 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: did know. The Sheriff's office knew, so we knew the 628 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: upas Driver senior and that quite Louellen Senior. The same day, Nancy, 629 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: this is Wendy. This is a great example of how 630 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: when someone goes missing, regarding a timeline, the police look 631 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: at who's close to her, both relationally and geographically, especially 632 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: in a small town where those that saw her last 633 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: and those that were in that immediate vicinity immediately become 634 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: either witnesses or suspects. And this case appears to be 635 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: a perfect illustration of how that happened. So let me 636 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: understand something, Maggie, miss Sutherland quite Llewellen actually jumped on 637 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: the bandwagon and tried to act normal and told his dad, oh, yeah, 638 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: I saw at three thirty. Yes, yes, now he did 639 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,919 Speaker 1: because he he asked him because they had a rice 640 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: well back there. He was supposed to go be checking 641 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: and so he told his dad that was around the 642 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: time he had been back there, and he did see her. 643 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: He even told me he's seen her. I spoke with 644 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: him on Thursday. He came up to the like the 645 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: headquarters where we were set up at the house. He 646 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: just walked up, standing up against a tree and I 647 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: was sitting there with some friends and I like, I'm 648 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: gonna walk over there, and they're like, no, don't do that, 649 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, yes, y'all can go with me 650 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: or whatever, but I'm walking over there. I want to 651 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,959 Speaker 1: know where he's seen her exactly and what she was doing. 652 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,720 Speaker 1: So I walk over to him. He's standing up against tree, 653 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: just calm like, searching the area around, just looking throughing nothing. 654 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: And I said, Quake, what can you tell me about 655 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: Sydney yesterday? I know you've seen her, and well, I mean, 656 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: where was she running at? What could you give me 657 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: any details? We're exactly on the road. Did you see 658 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: her running? And he goes, yeah, I think you're running. 659 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: That's odd and that's just running. That's all. He was 660 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: as calm could be and everything. And then he had me, 661 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, if you can think of anything. 662 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: He hugged you. He hugged you, Yes, ma'am. Reminds me 663 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: of Judas and the Kiss had the Last Supper. He 664 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: hugged you. Yes. I was very upset, so you know, 665 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: I had probably was crying a little bit because it's 666 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: really easy for me to be upset, you know, Karen 667 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 1: Start New York Psychologists. You remember how Scott Peterson we 668 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: go back and back and back and look out over 669 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay. Here you got this guy twenty eight 670 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: years old, Quake Llewell and goes to the search headquarters 671 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: lies to City Sutherland's mother and hugs her, acting cool 672 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: and calm as a cucumber. Well, that doesn't surprise either 673 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: one of us, doesn't, Nancy, because very often the person 674 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: who as the killer goes back to the seat at 675 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 1: the crime, and they're doing that because they want to 676 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: relive it, not because they're feeling emotional or remorse or 677 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 1: any kind of regret. I think he was trying to 678 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: find out what was going on with the search and 679 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: the investigation. Karen's dark Well, probably that's a part of it. 680 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,760 Speaker 1: But I think, also, Nancy, that he enjoyed the fact 681 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: that he knew something that other people didn't know. And 682 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,439 Speaker 1: I also wondered they went to school together, they were 683 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: Facebook friends then not Facebook friends, and I suspect that 684 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 1: he had a feeling about her, that he wanted her 685 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: from the time they were in school. That you think 686 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: that could be true, Sam souther One, I'm unsure that. 687 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know how he felt towards 688 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: her or nothing. I don't I don't I don't know anything. 689 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: I just know that we had friends say that they 690 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: they hung out in the same group at least once, 691 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: and also on the third party. He also Sydney's boyfriend Alex. 692 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: He also walked up to Alex and told Alex if 693 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: anything he needed at all, anything he could do to 694 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: let him know, and he give Alex a hug too. 695 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: So I mean he was going around, you know, huggan 696 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: doing a lot of hugging, a lot of hugging. Mitch McCoy, 697 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 1: k Ark four is the prosecutor genesee the death penalty. 698 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,720 Speaker 1: It's on the table. That's what the prosecutor told us. 699 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 1: On the table. Well that you know what, I know, 700 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: you're reporting correctly, Mitch McCoy, you have an excellent reputation. KRK. 701 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,760 Speaker 1: It's not you, You're just the messenger. But on the table, 702 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: what does that mean? That means nothing to me. On 703 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,240 Speaker 1: the table, that's like putting a fork in a napkin 704 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: on the table. You could take it off whenever you 705 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: feel like it. So what's happening, Maggie Sutherland? Is there 706 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,839 Speaker 1: going to be a death penalty case? It's Sydney like 707 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: Gill kind of questioning his shoes friends and she knew him, uh, 708 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: but just in passing um, no communication with him, probably 709 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: in years since I've been out of school and everything 710 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,919 Speaker 1: and we um grew up her dad and I grew 711 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,839 Speaker 1: up in grubs with a Quakes dad. I mean all 712 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: our life. We grew ups in grubs, so we knew 713 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: them very well. Um. But right now, UM, we just 714 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: want what I want, justice for Sydney, and I will 715 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 1: not stop nor will my family stop until we get it. 716 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,399 Speaker 1: You know, yes, Capital who you know, Capital Loga. It's 717 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: either life or death. So UM no, whatever it takes 718 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: to get justice for Sydney, that's what we're going to 719 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: take and hopefully we get that for her or we 720 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: want let's fit of this way. We're not going to 721 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: stop until we get justice for Sydney. Um, for what 722 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: he's done. Miss Sutherland, please know neither will we. We 723 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, 724 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: goodbye friend