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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, and welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: the Falcons in Focus podcast presented by Ticketmaster, recorded right

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Speaker 1: here in the Ticketmaster studios.

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Speaker 2: I'm Scott Baert.

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Speaker 1: That story mclaney and the man of the Hour assistant

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Speaker 1: head coach Jerry Gray or should I say Jed Gray?

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Speaker 1: Is that more accurate? Because from what we heard, right,

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Speaker 1: there's a nickname that you've had.

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Speaker 2: For oh nickname. When I was in I was a

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Speaker 2: little kid, they named me Jed because I used to

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Speaker 2: watch the Clampus all the time. You did Beverly Hill Billies.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was doing a bunch of research and we

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Speaker 3: I had come across where it said Jerry quote Jed

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Speaker 3: Great and I was like, this is a different person

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Speaker 3: all together. And then it and then it went a

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Speaker 3: step further. It's like, no, the nickname comes from Beverly Hillbillies.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I had I never knew.

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Speaker 1: That about you, And like you just kept watching the

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Speaker 1: show even when you were grown up, right, Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was canceled.

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Speaker 2: It was it was a great show. What's funny is that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I grew up in Texas, Yeah, all right, went to

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Speaker 2: University of Texas and then My first job, real job

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Speaker 2: out was in California, right where the Beverly hill Billy's for.

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Speaker 2: It's like a full circle moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they the Grays go to California.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it?

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Speaker 3: Life imitates art?

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Speaker 2: It gently does? It gently does? That's funny.

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Speaker 3: Now we want to go kind of back in time

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Speaker 3: a little bit and to your start, and it's really

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Speaker 3: fun for me to kind of look back at your

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Speaker 3: career just in general, but to have to have been

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Speaker 3: a guy who grew up in Texas, went to high

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Speaker 3: school in Texas, went to college in Texas. I mean,

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Speaker 3: how much are you just like a Texas boy through

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Speaker 3: and through?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's like I go back there every summer.

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Speaker 2: I get a chance to kind of see, you know,

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Speaker 2: what I grew up in and you know, okay, glad

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Speaker 2: I'm not there, but you know, you could kind of

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Speaker 2: see that, and you know, growing up in Texas, that's

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Speaker 2: all we though. It was like the list, like I'm

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Speaker 2: new to Georgia and I look at high school football.

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Speaker 2: It's just like this. In Texas, they are really really

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Speaker 2: fanatics about high school football. So when I grew up,

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Speaker 2: I used to go to high school football games and

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Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, like, man, So I didn't know what

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Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, when I got to high school,

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Speaker 2: started playing. As my sophomore year a little bit rode

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Speaker 2: the bench, and then my junior year I started at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So it's like at quarterback. I played quarterback in high school,

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Speaker 2: didn't play any other position. Wow, So I played quarterback,

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Speaker 2: and then my junior year, I'm being recruited as a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So every team in the country wanted me to play quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know about this because it's

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Speaker 2: coach from Texas Star recruited me to play defensive back.

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Speaker 2: So when I started looking at it, Texas had Johnny

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Speaker 2: there I played. I didn't play my freshman year. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I was kind of a little bit ticked off at that,

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Speaker 2: And then I got chance to go to the Rams,

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Speaker 1: So your hometown is where Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: Yes, is a lot of Texas yep.

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Speaker 1: So Texas Tech fans must have not liked you very much.

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Speaker 2: They still don't like me now they don't. I go

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Speaker 2: I have a foundation, men and my wife. We give

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff back. We give money back to

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Speaker 2: the high school kids to go to college. We really

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Speaker 2: we'll put them up for the whole weekend, pay for everything.

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Speaker 2: We'll bring someone to come and kind of watch over them.

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Speaker 2: But we want them to experience what it feels like

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Speaker 2: you know, I was recruited by Tech. But the thing

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Speaker 3: Me, it's funny too, because like looking ick at obviously,

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people know your career anyways,

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Speaker 3: but I'm gonna say it anyway. It's like two hundred

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Speaker 3: a two time consensus First Team All American at Texas. Now,

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Speaker 3: I believe it is in twenty thirteen, you said something

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Speaker 3: What were those things for you?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, whenever you're playing football, the things that

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Speaker 2: you learn is you learned. I'd learned how to play

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Speaker 2: my senior was the easiest football I've ever played because

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Speaker 2: So once that was like, like I said, I didn't

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Speaker 2: use that my first eight years in the NFL, and

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Speaker 2: I knew the mental part of the game, and that's

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Speaker 2: I've ever been, because everybody can run, but they really

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Yeah, so much of it is from

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Speaker 2: The eyebrows up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking about it as a first round

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Speaker 2: That's what I meet the owner, I meet Georgia Frontier,

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Speaker 2: Nope, that's it. It goes from hey, you can't go

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Speaker 2: And it's like, oh my god, now I got to

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Speaker 2: go against grown men. That was a really big thing.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, so I go in there and Jackie Slater

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Speaker 2: Like I said them guys, I mean think about Eric Dixon.

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Speaker 2: His rookie year, he ran for eighteen hundred yards. His

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Speaker 3: I think that brings us to a very pertinent question.

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Speaker 3: What was your welcome to the NFL moment? You always

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Speaker 3: hear from guys from rookies, what was yours?

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Speaker 2: Well, probably going out, you know, really really nervous, and

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Speaker 2: it really didn't hit me during the season, but then

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Speaker 2: we're getting ready to play the Dallas Cowboys. And growing

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Speaker 2: don't understand is you can't just talk about the bad

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Speaker 2: stuff and expect him to get the good I was

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Speaker 2: raised the opposite. I'm gonna tell you what you can't

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Speaker 2: do and then you go do it. Well, that was

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Speaker 2: the old school. You can't teach that way anymore. You know,

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Speaker 2: you have to teach these guys how to do what

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Speaker 2: they want to do and how you want to do it,

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Speaker 2: because and now they'll go out there and do it,

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Speaker 2: but it's still your job to teach him that way.

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Speaker 3: And I think you make such a good point because

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Speaker 3: I've always been raised that teaching is coaching and coaching

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Speaker 3: is teaching, and they're one and the same. And there

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Speaker 3: was actually a quote that I saw of you, and

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Speaker 3: you can fact check me on this too. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of things that I just need confirmation on the podcasts.

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Speaker 3: But you said something about you were in high school

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Speaker 3: and you had an English teacher, and you said a

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Speaker 3: lot of the things she taught me are things I

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Speaker 3: still practice today. What are some of those things that

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Speaker 3: you think back on, And it's like the teachers in

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Speaker 3: my life helped me along in this way, so now

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Speaker 3: as a coach and a teacher, this is how I practice.

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Speaker 2: It's like like my junior high school teacher was Miss Lindsay,

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Speaker 2: I still know her name, and then my senior high

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Speaker 2: school teacher was Miss Hudson. So they were like the

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Speaker 2: best teachers in the school. Okay, and I just fortunately

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Speaker 2: for me, was God in their class, right, so they

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Speaker 2: kind of taught me. Okay, I'm going to teach you

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Speaker 2: how to write something down, how to look at a story,

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Speaker 2: and then you break the story down. So never been

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Speaker 2: taught that way. So when you read the story, I

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Speaker 2: want you to put it back in your own words,

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Speaker 2: So now does it make sense to you? And then

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Speaker 2: when you read it, if you read it out loud,

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Speaker 2: does somebody else understand it? So that's the thing that

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Speaker 2: a story down. So I'm gonna break this person down.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna break this team down, and I'm gonna give

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Speaker 2: it to your littleeritty pieces, and now you'll accept the

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Speaker 2: little pieces other than like, Okay, here's this four hundred

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Speaker 2: page book. Go read it. You know, like coach, I

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Speaker 2: ain't reading that crap. But if I give you little

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Speaker 2: pieces of that book, eventually we're gonna get the four

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Speaker 2: hundred pages and you'll never know it's four hundred pages. See. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I know that's kind of what they did for me.

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Speaker 2: And everybody is not like me, but you can tell

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Speaker 2: the ones who needs the little bitty pieces are the

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Speaker 2: ones that lead a little bit more, and just about

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Speaker 2: everyone that comes in the league needs a little bit

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Speaker 2: of piece, and then once you give it to them,

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Speaker 2: they want more, and then you give them and when

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Speaker 2: they get interested, they'll come, hey, hey, what about that

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Speaker 2: you asked me? So when they come running, now you

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Speaker 2: got them. But if you doing the opposite and they

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Speaker 2: never come to you, you never get them.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic stuff. And we're running up against the clock. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: four minutes. We're not going to make this man late

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Speaker 1: for anything, so real quick, we can just trim the

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Speaker 1: rapid fires out of like two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got you, Okay. What was your favorite play

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Speaker 3: of your career?

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Speaker 2: Probably I'd say maybe college. I was running down Bo Jackson.

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Speaker 2: He was like the best running back at the time,

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Speaker 2: all the football. It's like I overran him. Really, It's

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Speaker 2: like he actually ran his zone play and he cut

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Speaker 2: back and overran him, and I knew, at my heart

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Speaker 2: to hearts, I'm like, there's no one else on our

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Speaker 2: team can catch this guy. So it's like I just

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Speaker 2: put my head down and ran. I promise you. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know I was going to catch him, but I

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Speaker 2: caught him. And on that play, he actually dislocated his

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Speaker 2: shoulder and he was going to win the Hogtsman that year. See,

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Speaker 2: people don't know that when he got hurt that year,

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Speaker 2: which was his sophomore year. In my senior year, he

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Speaker 2: was going he was up for the high Heisman and

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Speaker 2: then he got hurt and Doug Flutie won the Heisman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it separated him from the Heisman trophy, but he came.

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Speaker 2: Back the next year and wanted.

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Speaker 1: So it worked out for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it worked out.

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Speaker 1: Last one. Who is your favorite athlete regardless of sport

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Speaker 1: when you were growing up?

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, favorite athlete regardless of sport. Probably I like Doctor J.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another one.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you when you my my era, Doctor

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Speaker 2: J was a Michael Jordan. You know, when you look

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Speaker 2: at doctor J you're like, okay, this is what basketball

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Speaker 2: looks like. You know, great guy played defense. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: a jump shout shot or anything like that. But he

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Speaker 2: had to work for his shots. It didn't come easy.

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Speaker 2: You know. He wasn't a one dimensional guy. And so

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Speaker 2: when you look at him, you're like, Okay, that's what

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Speaker 2: you really want to be. You want to be Doctor J.

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Speaker 3: Man, that's a great Great London.

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Speaker 1: I could literally just have this conversation like two hours,

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Speaker 1: but the man has places to go, so let's wrap

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Speaker 1: it up real quick. Everybody, thank you so much for downloading, listening,

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Speaker 1: and subscribing to the Atlanta Falcons podcast Network. I'm Scott,

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Speaker 1: that's Tory this Jed Jed Gray signed it up.

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Speaker 2: Seeya, thank you