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Chasing batter Welcome to the Bear Hunting 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:59.880 Magazine podcast. On this episode, we're talking about shot placed 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.960 on black bear. This is a very misunderstood topic and 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.600 we often relate in this podcast to ideology that people 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.920 are coming from an understanding of white tailed deer shot 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.479 placement and then coming into bear hunting and applying those 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.840 same principles, and there's several places where they just don't 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.800 totally cross over. I believe that this is probably one 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.000 of the most densely compacted pieces of information about shot 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.759 placement on black bear, probably around so you're gonna learn something. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:36.400 Spring bear season is quickly approaching. Last podcast, we talked 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.759 about a very wide swath of information about spring bear hunting. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.400 I wanted to make two quick corrections from the last episode. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:49.280 Number one, there is no spring bear season in Nova Scotia. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.000 There is a fall bear season. I had a listener 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.520 from Nova Scotia contact me to let me know that, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.000 so I want to make that correction. Secondly, the only 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.680 Western state that we left out of the list that 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.920 has a spring bear hunt, it's Wyoming. Wyoming has a 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.720 quota hunt, and we listed all the other states except 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:15.959 for Wyoming. At the Global headquarters right now, we're working 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:20.120 on the May in June issue of Bear Hunting Magazine, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.520 and we're also working on a new video that's gonna 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.400 be released sometime probably in the next week on our 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:31.000 YouTube channel about a brown bear hunt that Billy Moles did. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.840 So we're having We're gonna have a new episode of 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.600 Bear Horizon out and the new issue of Bear Hunting 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.560 Magazine coming out soon. Thanks for checking this episode out. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:51.080 You gonna enjoy it. Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:56.000 We are at the Global headquarters of Bear Hunting magazine. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:01.120 It is March the in We are going to have 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.480 a couple of episodes here where we're gonna just get 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:08.120 to the nitty gritty technical side of some very relevant 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.200 bear hunting related topics. The topic that we're gonna talk 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:18.080 about on this episode is shot placement on black Bear, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.760 and we're gonna get into several different topics that are 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.280 highly relevant. But before we get into the episode, I 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.000 want to introduce who I've got with me here. I 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:34.760 have directly to my left, Ryan No greb Ryan greb 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.840 Ryan is Uh a long time good friend of mine. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.680 And Ryan was killing bears while my mama was still 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:52.880 wiping my nose. It's true. Now Ryan is Ryan's traveled 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:57.960 with me all over Canada. But more than that, Ryan's 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.880 hunted in Arkansas for years. Ryan's been on the podcast before, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:06.320 but he's he's hunted bears in Arkansas since well for 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.360 years and years, killed a lot of big bears, bow 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.320 hunted bears a lot, and so I consider Ryan an 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.280 expert for sure. So he's here. And then on my 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.600 right someone that you well, Kobe has been on this 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:26.120 podcast before. I've got Colby moorehead. Colby has is now 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.240 news to all of everybody. He's working full time for 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.960 Bear Hunting Magazine. So Kolbe is also a longtime friend 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:38.400 of mine that uh is now he's full time working 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.520 for Bear Hunting Magazine helping us with all kinds of stuff. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:43.919 So if you ever call the global headquarters, you'll probably 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.720 talk to Colby. And Kolby is a bear hunter. He's 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.840 a new bear hunter, went on his first bear hunt 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.400 back in the fall and took a really nice bear. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.719 And so we've got a good mix right here, and 0:04:55.880 --> 0:05:01.600 that uh, we've we've got a lot of experience. But also, um, 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.400 you know, Kobe's new to bear hunting, so you might 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.640 have some questions or you might hear us talking to 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.600 might have some insight and something that somebody else might have. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:10.880 I just feel sorry for him. What he is to 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.920 hang with you here in the office during every day, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.120 all day, and he's right underneath the big bear over here. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.280 You need to make him a cubicle over here where 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:24.000 you don't have to look at you like box him in. Yeah, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:29.200 we can box him in. But well, hey, let's let's 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.320 jump right into this. And I'll kind of give the 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:37.039 precursor to why this is relevant. Most people in North America. 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:38.919 Most of the guys that are listening to this podcast 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.960 have been trained on white tail deer anatomy for shooting, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.840 well for shooting any big game. We've been trained to 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:53.200 hunt ungulates, deer, elk, moose that all have a really 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.080 similar body structure. They have a similar bone structure, they 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:02.040 have a similar um anatomical or organ structure. But they 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.640 also have short hair, they don't have big layers of fat. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.960 And so basically shooting a bear is different than shooting 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.840 and ungulate, and there's lots of different variables inside of 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.000 it that are important for a first time bear hunter 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.320 or even a veteran bear hunter. I mean, the truth 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.960 is that in most situations, and right would you agree 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.040 with this most situations, if you just took a deer 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.040 hunter out and didn't tell him anything, he could probably 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.240 go out and shoot a bear, I mean and not 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:37.200 have any problem. But in the finer tuned points of 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.159 bear hunting, and if you took that same guy, and 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:42.440 this is the way I would describe it, if you 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.560 took that same guy that was trained as a white 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.200 tail hunter and put him on ten bear hunts, I'm 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.920 gonna say three of those ten he's gonna mess up 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:57.200 simply because of lack of understanding of a few principles. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.000 I mean, is that a good and is that a yeah? 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:06.279 You know, a bear postures constantly changing, you know, Yeah, 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.240 you're looking for that broadside shot more often than not. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.440 I mean, dear, that's preferred to shot anyway, but a 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.360 lot of people pack the quartering away shots. But you know, bears, 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:22.920 the if you can get that broadside, that's usually money. Well, 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.240 let's start off by talking about bar anatomy. I read 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.080 a a article that was written very recently that was 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.320 circulating on uh Facebook, clicked on it. It was about 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.880 ten ten I think it was ten things about spring 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.080 bear hunting, and one of them was about shot placement. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:46.200 And this this author said that bear organs are further 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.880 forward than a deer, which I want to quickly say 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:55.800 is exactly opposite of what I have found, not just 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.840 in what I've read, but we did the first year 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.600 Barrenny magazine we killed. We went up to Alberta and 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.480 we killed six bears in five days. We actually did 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:11.040 a knee cropsy on a bear where we took the 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.680 carcass with the all the internal organs inside and stripped 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.000 off the layers of rib or the stripped off the 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.480 rib meat so that you could see into the rib 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.800 cage and tried to determine like where the lungs would layout, 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.360 and man, we made some incredible diagrams that were in 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:33.960 Barrenning magazine. They're also online. And to make a short summary, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.559 beare vitals are slightly further back than a white tail? 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:43.600 Would you agree with that? Right? So there, so let 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.559 me just say that is a big premise of black 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.520 bear shot placement and brown bear for that matter. The 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.320 vitals they're not it's not like they're just like in 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:59.000 the middle of the body, but they extend slightly further back. 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.320 I found um that the lungs of these bears went 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.480 all the way back to the very last rib, which 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.480 if you can imagine shooting a white tail at the 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:12.520 very last rib, you'd be pretty far back. You would 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.840 kill that, you'd kill the deer because you'd get liver. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.240 But the lungs of I mean the very tip of 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.040 that long and I'm not saying that all the way 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.560 back at the last rib there was eight inches of lung. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.360 That's what I'm saying. That the lungs are like oblong shaped. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.760 You know, they're like they're like long and deep towards 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.080 the front of the animal, and they go back like this, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.080 and so the back to the very last rib there 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.520 was a little bit of lung. So I'm not saying 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.040 that's where you want to hit them. The second part 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.520 of that, Kolbe has some experience with this, Kobe, you 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.760 really made a mistake by shooting the bear far back 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.760 on the first hunt. Ever with me, you were like 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.240 the prime target to just make an example out of, 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.200 but you got the right posture for it here. I'm 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.880 glad I could take on that for one. Oh man, 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.920 it was on video, it was all there. But for 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.880 whatever reason, and this perhaps is it has to do 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:14.040 with the the anatomical structure of the bear. But you 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.160 can shoot a bear further back than a white tail 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.880 and be okay. There was an article that we had 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.360 published a few years years ago called the Middle of 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.839 the Middle, which there are a lot of Canadian outfitters 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.800 that tell their clients to shoot a bear in the middle. 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.640 And I think the way it started out was they said, hey, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.760 shoot the bear in the middle, and the client said, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.480 what do you mean the middle? And the guy in 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.040 the outfitter goes the middle of the middle, I mean 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:43.360 straight up middle of the bear. And uh what this 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.439 article is written by a guy named Rob Nive, Saskatchewan 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:50.480 outfitter that I know, and uh he was taught that 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.080 by some other old outfitters. And man, when you shoot 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.040 in the middle of the middle, you have a lot 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.720 of room for error. And that's the whole point of it, 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.800 room for air. Now, I do not suggest I don't 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.320 like shooting them in the middle of the middle. I 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.080 like to go about four inches back towards the shoulder 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.319 from the middle of the middle. And when I say 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.520 the middle of the middle, I'm talking about the distance 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.520 between the front legs and the back legs. I'm not 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.439 including like the head of the bear, but like the 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.400 middle of the middle. I like to go about three 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:27.680 to four inches back towards the shoulder, so slightly further 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:32.240 back then then you would like try to heart shoot 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.240 a bear. And that's maybe the biggest thing that's different 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.880 about bear hunt bear hunting versus deer hunting is that 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.160 as deer hunters, we were always taught to try to 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.760 heart shoot the deer. Okay, which would be low and tight. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:45.880 You don't want to do that with a bear. Do 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.199 you agree, Ryan? I agree? You got all that hair 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.160 hanging down below. You know that hair could be two 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.079 inches long, could be four inches long. So definitely want 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:59.040 to try to get it the vertical line in the middle. Yeah, 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.800 the body. Yeah, you the problem with low and tight 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.319 on him on a bear is that what Ryan said. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.280 Imagine a big mature board that's got two inches of 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:17.240 fat beneath the rib cage. He's also got uh hair 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:21.840 that's a minimum of two inches, but could be hanging 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.520 down as much as four inches. And so what you 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.000 perceive as the silhouette at the bottom of that bear 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:32.240 is actually probably six to eight inches above. That would 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.400 be vital. And so a veteran bow hunter that was 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:40.040 hunting with me at one time, who had taken a 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.040 lot of white tails with a bow, I mean ate 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.920 a lot of white tails bear hunting for the first time, 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.000 and he just tried to heart shoot this bear, I 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.400 mean just low and tight, and he ten ringed right 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.319 where he was aiming. We never found that bear, totally 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.720 hit it in the brisket, and he was fooled by 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:03.080 the silhouette of that bear. Um. Now have you ever 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.040 have you ever hit a bear low and tight. I 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.199 don't think I ever have. Now the two thousand and 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.520 sixteen up uh bear pro safar as you know, shot 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.800 that one low and back, but I've never shot one 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.360 low and forward. I wasn't sure if you had, because 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.520 I have another story of a friend of ours here 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.760 in Arkansas that had a monster bear come in and 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:26.880 it was just kind of one of those deals, or 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.000 I think he would say he was probably just on 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.480 autopilot and was just trying to heart shoot it and 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.240 shot low and tight, and it was a big bear, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.320 so it was exaggerated, long hair, lots of fat, thick 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.319 rib cade, and so I mean he just basically shot 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:42.920 the bear in the brisket, where if it had been 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.360 a white tail, he would have tendering that that's a 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.960 big deal with black bears that you don't want to 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.160 do with archery shots. It's low and tight. You want 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.680 to be further up and Number Another thing is that 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.959 a bear doesn't jump the string like a white tail. 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.559 I mean, especially with the with V E O and 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.000 all the stuff on that we're seeing now, almost a 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.120 hundred percent of the time these white tails are dropping 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.120 at the sound of an arrow, even if you still 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.200 kill the deer. I mean, like we've killed all these 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.960 deer with bows, not on film, and you just you 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:19.520 kill the steer. Those deer dropping a lot, sometimes dropping 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.200 sixteen inches before the arab gets there at like a 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.400 thirty yard shot. A white tail as a prey and 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.400 only as a flight response to danger, a massive, quick 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.360 flight response. A bear has some of a flight response, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.000 but not near as much as a white tail, would 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.840 you agree in terms of dropping and going. He's not 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.120 on pins and needles all day long like a deer is, 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.480 you know, thinking he's gonna get eat. He's an apex 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:49.200 animal and probably stays relaxed, you know, most of the day, 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.200 so he's probably not sensing a lot of danger. And 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.240 so the translation of that into bear shot placement is 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.960 that you don't have to aim low like it's bow hunter. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.920 As we've been taught to aim low on a deer. Man, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.320 you don't want to hit low on a bear because 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.600 that silhouette is so deceptive. And I would say that's 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.800 those are the biggest things. Like, if we're talking about 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:17.560 shot placement slightly further back than a bear, don't be afraid. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.680 Most people aim so far forward because they're afraid to 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.440 hit so far back because in the white tail world 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.600 we have been preached to our whole life, don't hit 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.280 them far back, don't hit them far back. And honestly, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.680 I would rather hit a white tail far back than 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.280 I would further forward. I think people that that has 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.360 been preached us so much because guys have really not 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.160 been very good blood trailers. That's the truth. I've found 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.440 that inside of my excursions inside of other hunting circles, 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.720 is that guys sometimes make a shot that they probably 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.400 could recover that animal, but they really don't have the 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:57.360 skill to blood trail that animal, and so a marginal 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.400 shot all of a sudden becomes marginal, but more shot 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.480 becomes an unfounder. And obviously I'm not suggesting shooting dear 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.360 far back at all, but that fear that's been put 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.520 in us to hit an animal too far back has 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.560 pushed us forward to the animal. But with a bear, 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.360 you can be a little bit further back, a little 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.040 more forgiving, little more forgiving if you're hitting in that 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.360 middle of the middle or you know that that mid 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.920 section from Kobe tell us about your bear, just kind 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.400 of like where about where you perceived the shot to be. Yeah, 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.880 it was. It was a straight up gut shot, you know. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.600 I uh, I was aiming like the middle of the middle, 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.280 but then he started moving and I was already in 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:42.200 my shot sequence, so uh so, like vertically it was 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.200 in the middle. And I think that was what made 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.440 things come together in the end, was just that and 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.920 then backing off for the night and waiting until the 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.920 next morning to to look for him. But I mean 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.920 he was pretty riggered up, like he had died, like 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:01.360 he'd been dead. Awhile mechanical or no. I was shooting 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:06.280 a four bladed fixed Yeah it passed through. Yeah, it 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.000 passed all the way through. I mean it didn't get liver. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:14.280 It was like way back and uh we we backed out, 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.760 came back the next day. And now, granted, this is 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.560 a situation where somebody who didn't have a lot of 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.640 experience might have had a hard time trailing that bear. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.480 I'm not gonna lie about that. But Corey Grant all trained, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.159 he's a good blood trailer, and I mean we we 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.120 just we found just spots of blood. I mean just 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.200 I mean it was a tough trail, don't get me wrong, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.600 but the bear ran probably two hundred yards to fifty 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.600 and Um, we easily recovered the bear. I mean, now 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.320 we had to we had to fight for it a 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.320 little bit. I mean just in that there were times 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.879 when we lost it and we were going off a 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.240 scuff mark and the leaves going down the hill. But 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.639 I mean, you know, within forty five minutes we were 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.440 standing over the bear. Yeah. I think the thing that 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.399 surprised me was when the blood stopped hitting the grounding 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.679 you just started seeing smudge marks on the side of trees. Ye. 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.400 You gotta you gotta use everything in your arsenal when 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.840 you're telling any kind of animal. Like if we had 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.840 just been looking for bright red blood drops on the ground, 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.560 we would never found that bear. But we were staying 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.960 on game trails. We started splitting up going down different 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.879 game trails, and you you learn to look at the 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:25.080 backside of all these leaves because this bear. And we'll 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:29.199 talk about how bears are notorious within with a not 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.760 ideal shot. They're notorious for not bleeding much. But the 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.000 point is we found the bear, no problem. That's what 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.080 these middle of the middle guys say all the time. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.920 It's like they say they'd rather have a gut shot 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.680 bear than a bear that was shot too far, low 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.760 and forward or shot straight in the shoulder, you know, 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.919 because you are not going to break through a bear's 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.840 shoulder with archer equipment, I don't believe. I mean, perhaps 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:59.680 there's a you'd have to be very lucky tho. Yeah, 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.879 you probably have to hit some kind of artery something 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.680 to even kill something with a far forward shot lock 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.720 at and he's you know, I've never trailed a bear 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.399 and recovered one as far as Kobe's. You know, usually 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:18.639 if you get yards, that's really that's been your experience. Yeah, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:23.199 you know, I've had some bad shots, and you know, 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.720 I've trailed them jokers like you say, three four hundred 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:31.679 yards and on minimal blood never find them. But usually 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.760 a lethal shot on a bear, you know, a hundred 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.920 yards are less. They just don't you know, they don't 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.800 carry their weight that farest seems you know, they kind 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.480 of give out quick if they're hit good. Yeah, let's 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.160 go ahead and jump into what I was saying about 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:51.040 how and how a bear bleeds and the importance the 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.159 whole point of this is gonna be the importance of 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:57.439 getting two holes with so this would factor into the 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.800 shot angle, but also your equipment that you're using but 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.439 a big priority with bear is to get two holes. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.720 So it goes back to what you said at the beginning. 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.240 A A broadside shot is what you want. A broadside 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:13.200 shot gives you the shortest distance between two points when 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.200 the era is going through and even if the era 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:16.960 is not sticking in the ground on the other side, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.919 but if the broadhead at least penetrates the skin on 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:25.520 the other side, you've got two two holes. That bear 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.320 is gonna bleed more. But bears are notorious for not 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.800 bleeding because they are they do have a lot of fat. 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:32.640 They do have a lot of a lot of fur, 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.440 which is like a mop. I mean, it's soaking up 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.720 some of that blood, not all of it. And you 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.359 know if you just double double lung tin ring a bear, 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.800 I mean, he's gonna bleed pretty good. But when you 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.800 get into that marginal category, like with Colby's, if you 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.479 had only gotten uh, had one hole, didn't have an 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.600 exit wound, you know, we would have had a much 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.800 more difficult time finding that bear. But he he was 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.520 bleeding on two sides because we got that pen traction. 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.520 And so that goes back to on whitetail, a quarter 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.600 and away shot is a pretty good shot. Smaller animal, 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.360 smaller bone, not a stick of hide, not a stick 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.639 of hair. You could probably gonna you know, you're probably 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.879 gonna get a pass through. And unless you hit that 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.080 offside shoulder on a cord and away shot on a deer. 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:20.760 And I mean we even look for a quarter and 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:27.040 away shot on a deer oftentimes. Um, but boy, you 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.399 want to get you want to get two holes. The 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:33.600 other thing about getting two holes is that most bears 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.800 are being shot out of tree stands, especially in a 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:41.480 bait situation. And if you get one hole from a 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.680 high elevated position, that means your entry hole is gonna 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.680 be high on that animal and that dude is gonna 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:53.960 bleed very little lower hole. Yep, you know that's where 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:55.639 you're gonna get you. I guess you could set up 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:59.560 a dungeon type set up where you had a hole 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:05.119 underneath and whether you're shooting up into the bears, oh man, 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:09.240 like dig a hole. It's a whole new setup. You're 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:13.040 supposed to laugh that cold, ye, then your entry hole 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.720 would be on the bottom of the bear. That's for 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:17.600 all those duck hunters out there, they can just you know, 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.840 like yeah, like a like a duck hole, like a 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:27.960 what would you call a yes yes? Well okay, so 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.480 getting two olds okay, and that even goes into your equipment. 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.760 Like we at Bear Hunting Magazine, we are pretty much 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:40.160 adamant about not using the expandables for bear Okay, there's 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:42.720 gonna be a ton of people that maybe even listen 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.040 to this podcast that will say they have killed bears 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:50.760 with expandables, as have I. But I have heard too 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:55.320 many stories and seen for myself too many examples of 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.760 when they have not performed as well as a fixed 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:03.480 blade broadhead. I mean, just by very principle, it does 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.560 remove energy from an arrow. For those blades to expand 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:11.320 large cutting diameter is gonna cause more friction on that arrow, 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.720 reducing the energy driving that eraw into the animal. If 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.160 the whole objective is to get two holes on a 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:21.080 big animal, I mean a big white tailed deer is 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:24.760 maybe at most twenty inches too. I don't know. Maybe 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:27.600 a big Canadian deer would, or big Midwest deer be 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.879 inches wide. I doubt it. Like you're trying to penetrate 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.360 block eighteen inches with a big bear trying to penetrate 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:38.000 thirty inches, I don't know, if that's accurate or not 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:42.080 not counting the all the hair you're traving yep to 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.639 shoot through. Yeah, the conclusion that we've come to is 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.399