1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network powered by 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Interstate Batteries from your truck to your trail camera. Interstate 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Batteries as you covered. Visit your local Interstate Batteries store 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: today or online at Interstate Batteries dot com. Interstate Batteries 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nucoman. I'm the host 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: host into the world of hunting the icon of North 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: American wilderness. There, we'll talk about tactics, gear conservation who 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: will also bring you into some of the wildest country 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: on the planet. Chasing batter Welcome to the Bear Hunting 11 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: Magazine podcast. On this episode, we're talking about shot placed 12 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: on black bear. This is a very misunderstood topic and 13 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: we often relate in this podcast to ideology that people 14 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: are coming from an understanding of white tailed deer shot 15 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: placement and then coming into bear hunting and applying those 16 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: same principles, and there's several places where they just don't 17 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: totally cross over. I believe that this is probably one 18 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: of the most densely compacted pieces of information about shot 19 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: placement on black bear, probably around so you're gonna learn something. 20 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: Spring bear season is quickly approaching. Last podcast, we talked 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: about a very wide swath of information about spring bear hunting. 22 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to make two quick corrections from the last episode. 23 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: Number one, there is no spring bear season in Nova Scotia. 24 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: There is a fall bear season. I had a listener 25 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: from Nova Scotia contact me to let me know that, 26 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: so I want to make that correction. Secondly, the only 27 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: Western state that we left out of the list that 28 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: has a spring bear hunt, it's Wyoming. Wyoming has a 29 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: quota hunt, and we listed all the other states except 30 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: for Wyoming. At the Global headquarters right now, we're working 31 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: on the May in June issue of Bear Hunting Magazine, 32 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: and we're also working on a new video that's gonna 33 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: be released sometime probably in the next week on our 34 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: YouTube channel about a brown bear hunt that Billy Moles did. 35 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: So we're having We're gonna have a new episode of 36 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: Bear Horizon out and the new issue of Bear Hunting 37 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Magazine coming out soon. Thanks for checking this episode out. 38 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: You gonna enjoy it. Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. 39 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: We are at the Global headquarters of Bear Hunting magazine. 40 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: It is March the in We are going to have 41 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: a couple of episodes here where we're gonna just get 42 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: to the nitty gritty technical side of some very relevant 43 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: bear hunting related topics. The topic that we're gonna talk 44 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: about on this episode is shot placement on black Bear, 45 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: and we're gonna get into several different topics that are 46 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: highly relevant. But before we get into the episode, I 47 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: want to introduce who I've got with me here. I 48 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: have directly to my left, Ryan No greb Ryan greb 49 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: Ryan is Uh a long time good friend of mine. 50 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: And Ryan was killing bears while my mama was still 51 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: wiping my nose. It's true. Now Ryan is Ryan's traveled 52 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: with me all over Canada. But more than that, Ryan's 53 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: hunted in Arkansas for years. Ryan's been on the podcast before, 54 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: but he's he's hunted bears in Arkansas since well for 55 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: years and years, killed a lot of big bears, bow 56 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: hunted bears a lot, and so I consider Ryan an 57 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: expert for sure. So he's here. And then on my 58 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: right someone that you well, Kobe has been on this 59 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: podcast before. I've got Colby moorehead. Colby has is now 60 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: news to all of everybody. He's working full time for 61 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine. So Kolbe is also a longtime friend 62 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: of mine that uh is now he's full time working 63 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: for Bear Hunting Magazine helping us with all kinds of stuff. 64 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: So if you ever call the global headquarters, you'll probably 65 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: talk to Colby. And Kolby is a bear hunter. He's 66 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: a new bear hunter, went on his first bear hunt 67 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: back in the fall and took a really nice bear. 68 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: And so we've got a good mix right here, and 69 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: that uh, we've we've got a lot of experience. But also, um, 70 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, Kobe's new to bear hunting, so you might 71 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: have some questions or you might hear us talking to 72 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: might have some insight and something that somebody else might have. 73 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: I just feel sorry for him. What he is to 74 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: hang with you here in the office during every day, 75 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: all day, and he's right underneath the big bear over here. 76 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: You need to make him a cubicle over here where 77 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: you don't have to look at you like box him in. Yeah, 78 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: we can box him in. But well, hey, let's let's 79 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: jump right into this. And I'll kind of give the 80 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: precursor to why this is relevant. Most people in North America. 81 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: Most of the guys that are listening to this podcast 82 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: have been trained on white tail deer anatomy for shooting, 83 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: well for shooting any big game. We've been trained to 84 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: hunt ungulates, deer, elk, moose that all have a really 85 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: similar body structure. They have a similar bone structure, they 86 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: have a similar um anatomical or organ structure. But they 87 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: also have short hair, they don't have big layers of fat. 88 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: And so basically shooting a bear is different than shooting 89 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: and ungulate, and there's lots of different variables inside of 90 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: it that are important for a first time bear hunter 91 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: or even a veteran bear hunter. I mean, the truth 92 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: is that in most situations, and right would you agree 93 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: with this most situations, if you just took a deer 94 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: hunter out and didn't tell him anything, he could probably 95 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: go out and shoot a bear, I mean and not 96 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: have any problem. But in the finer tuned points of 97 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: bear hunting, and if you took that same guy, and 98 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: this is the way I would describe it, if you 99 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: took that same guy that was trained as a white 100 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: tail hunter and put him on ten bear hunts, I'm 101 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: gonna say three of those ten he's gonna mess up 102 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: simply because of lack of understanding of a few principles. 103 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, is that a good and is that a yeah? 104 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: You know, a bear postures constantly changing, you know, Yeah, 105 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: you're looking for that broadside shot more often than not. 106 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean, dear, that's preferred to shot anyway, but a 107 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: lot of people pack the quartering away shots. But you know, bears, 108 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: the if you can get that broadside, that's usually money. Well, 109 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: let's start off by talking about bar anatomy. I read 110 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: a a article that was written very recently that was 111 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: circulating on uh Facebook, clicked on it. It was about 112 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: ten ten I think it was ten things about spring 113 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: bear hunting, and one of them was about shot placement. 114 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: And this this author said that bear organs are further 115 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: forward than a deer, which I want to quickly say 116 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: is exactly opposite of what I have found, not just 117 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: in what I've read, but we did the first year 118 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: Barrenny magazine we killed. We went up to Alberta and 119 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: we killed six bears in five days. We actually did 120 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: a knee cropsy on a bear where we took the 121 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: carcass with the all the internal organs inside and stripped 122 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: off the layers of rib or the stripped off the 123 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: rib meat so that you could see into the rib 124 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: cage and tried to determine like where the lungs would layout, 125 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: and man, we made some incredible diagrams that were in 126 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: Barrenning magazine. They're also online. And to make a short summary, 127 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: beare vitals are slightly further back than a white tail? 128 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Right? So there, so let 129 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: me just say that is a big premise of black 130 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: bear shot placement and brown bear for that matter. The 131 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: vitals they're not it's not like they're just like in 132 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: the middle of the body, but they extend slightly further back. 133 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: I found um that the lungs of these bears went 134 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: all the way back to the very last rib, which 135 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: if you can imagine shooting a white tail at the 136 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: very last rib, you'd be pretty far back. You would 137 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: kill that, you'd kill the deer because you'd get liver. 138 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: But the lungs of I mean the very tip of 139 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: that long and I'm not saying that all the way 140 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: back at the last rib there was eight inches of lung. 141 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That the lungs are like oblong shaped. 142 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: You know, they're like they're like long and deep towards 143 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: the front of the animal, and they go back like this, 144 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: and so the back to the very last rib there 145 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: was a little bit of lung. So I'm not saying 146 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: that's where you want to hit them. The second part 147 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: of that, Kolbe has some experience with this, Kobe, you 148 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: really made a mistake by shooting the bear far back 149 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: on the first hunt. Ever with me, you were like 150 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: the prime target to just make an example out of, 151 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: but you got the right posture for it here. I'm 152 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: glad I could take on that for one. Oh man, 153 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: it was on video, it was all there. But for 154 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: whatever reason, and this perhaps is it has to do 155 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: with the the anatomical structure of the bear. But you 156 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: can shoot a bear further back than a white tail 157 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: and be okay. There was an article that we had 158 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: published a few years years ago called the Middle of 159 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: the Middle, which there are a lot of Canadian outfitters 160 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: that tell their clients to shoot a bear in the middle. 161 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: And I think the way it started out was they said, hey, 162 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: shoot the bear in the middle, and the client said, 163 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: what do you mean the middle? And the guy in 164 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: the outfitter goes the middle of the middle, I mean 165 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: straight up middle of the bear. And uh what this 166 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: article is written by a guy named Rob Nive, Saskatchewan 167 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: outfitter that I know, and uh he was taught that 168 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: by some other old outfitters. And man, when you shoot 169 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: in the middle of the middle, you have a lot 170 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: of room for error. And that's the whole point of it, 171 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: room for air. Now, I do not suggest I don't 172 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: like shooting them in the middle of the middle. I 173 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: like to go about four inches back towards the shoulder 174 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: from the middle of the middle. And when I say 175 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: the middle of the middle, I'm talking about the distance 176 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: between the front legs and the back legs. I'm not 177 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: including like the head of the bear, but like the 178 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: middle of the middle. I like to go about three 179 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: to four inches back towards the shoulder, so slightly further 180 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: back then then you would like try to heart shoot 181 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: a bear. And that's maybe the biggest thing that's different 182 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: about bear hunt bear hunting versus deer hunting is that 183 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: as deer hunters, we were always taught to try to 184 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: heart shoot the deer. Okay, which would be low and tight. 185 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: You don't want to do that with a bear. Do 186 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: you agree, Ryan? I agree? You got all that hair 187 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: hanging down below. You know that hair could be two 188 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: inches long, could be four inches long. So definitely want 189 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: to try to get it the vertical line in the middle. Yeah, 190 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: the body. Yeah, you the problem with low and tight 191 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: on him on a bear is that what Ryan said. 192 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: Imagine a big mature board that's got two inches of 193 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: fat beneath the rib cage. He's also got uh hair 194 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: that's a minimum of two inches, but could be hanging 195 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: down as much as four inches. And so what you 196 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: perceive as the silhouette at the bottom of that bear 197 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: is actually probably six to eight inches above. That would 198 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: be vital. And so a veteran bow hunter that was 199 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: hunting with me at one time, who had taken a 200 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: lot of white tails with a bow, I mean ate 201 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: a lot of white tails bear hunting for the first time, 202 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: and he just tried to heart shoot this bear, I 203 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: mean just low and tight, and he ten ringed right 204 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: where he was aiming. We never found that bear, totally 205 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: hit it in the brisket, and he was fooled by 206 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: the silhouette of that bear. Um. Now have you ever 207 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: have you ever hit a bear low and tight. I 208 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: don't think I ever have. Now the two thousand and 209 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: sixteen up uh bear pro safar as you know, shot 210 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: that one low and back, but I've never shot one 211 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: low and forward. I wasn't sure if you had, because 212 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: I have another story of a friend of ours here 213 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: in Arkansas that had a monster bear come in and 214 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: it was just kind of one of those deals, or 215 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: I think he would say he was probably just on 216 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: autopilot and was just trying to heart shoot it and 217 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: shot low and tight, and it was a big bear, 218 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: so it was exaggerated, long hair, lots of fat, thick 219 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: rib cade, and so I mean he just basically shot 220 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: the bear in the brisket, where if it had been 221 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: a white tail, he would have tendering that that's a 222 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: big deal with black bears that you don't want to 223 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: do with archery shots. It's low and tight. You want 224 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: to be further up and Number Another thing is that 225 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: a bear doesn't jump the string like a white tail. 226 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: I mean, especially with the with V E O and 227 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: all the stuff on that we're seeing now, almost a 228 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: hundred percent of the time these white tails are dropping 229 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: at the sound of an arrow, even if you still 230 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: kill the deer. I mean, like we've killed all these 231 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: deer with bows, not on film, and you just you 232 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: kill the steer. Those deer dropping a lot, sometimes dropping 233 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: sixteen inches before the arab gets there at like a 234 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: thirty yard shot. A white tail as a prey and 235 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: only as a flight response to danger, a massive, quick 236 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: flight response. A bear has some of a flight response, 237 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: but not near as much as a white tail, would 238 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: you agree in terms of dropping and going. He's not 239 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: on pins and needles all day long like a deer is, 240 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, thinking he's gonna get eat. He's an apex 241 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: animal and probably stays relaxed, you know, most of the day, 242 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: so he's probably not sensing a lot of danger. And 243 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: so the translation of that into bear shot placement is 244 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: that you don't have to aim low like it's bow hunter. 245 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: As we've been taught to aim low on a deer. Man, 246 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: you don't want to hit low on a bear because 247 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: that silhouette is so deceptive. And I would say that's 248 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: those are the biggest things. Like, if we're talking about 249 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: shot placement slightly further back than a bear, don't be afraid. 250 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: Most people aim so far forward because they're afraid to 251 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: hit so far back because in the white tail world 252 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: we have been preached to our whole life, don't hit 253 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: them far back, don't hit them far back. And honestly, 254 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: I would rather hit a white tail far back than 255 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: I would further forward. I think people that that has 256 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: been preached us so much because guys have really not 257 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: been very good blood trailers. That's the truth. I've found 258 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: that inside of my excursions inside of other hunting circles, 259 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: is that guys sometimes make a shot that they probably 260 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: could recover that animal, but they really don't have the 261 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: skill to blood trail that animal, and so a marginal 262 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: shot all of a sudden becomes marginal, but more shot 263 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: becomes an unfounder. And obviously I'm not suggesting shooting dear 264 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: far back at all, but that fear that's been put 265 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: in us to hit an animal too far back has 266 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: pushed us forward to the animal. But with a bear, 267 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: you can be a little bit further back, a little 268 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: more forgiving, little more forgiving if you're hitting in that 269 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: middle of the middle or you know that that mid 270 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: section from Kobe tell us about your bear, just kind 271 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: of like where about where you perceived the shot to be. Yeah, 272 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: it was. It was a straight up gut shot, you know. 273 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: I uh, I was aiming like the middle of the middle, 274 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: but then he started moving and I was already in 275 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: my shot sequence, so uh so, like vertically it was 276 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: in the middle. And I think that was what made 277 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: things come together in the end, was just that and 278 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: then backing off for the night and waiting until the 279 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: next morning to to look for him. But I mean 280 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: he was pretty riggered up, like he had died, like 281 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: he'd been dead. Awhile mechanical or no. I was shooting 282 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: a four bladed fixed Yeah it passed through. Yeah, it 283 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: passed all the way through. I mean it didn't get liver. 284 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: It was like way back and uh we we backed out, 285 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: came back the next day. And now, granted, this is 286 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: a situation where somebody who didn't have a lot of 287 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: experience might have had a hard time trailing that bear. 288 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie about that. But Corey Grant all trained, 289 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: he's a good blood trailer, and I mean we we 290 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: just we found just spots of blood. I mean just 291 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean it was a tough trail, don't get me wrong, 292 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: but the bear ran probably two hundred yards to fifty 293 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: and Um, we easily recovered the bear. I mean, now 294 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: we had to we had to fight for it a 295 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: little bit. I mean just in that there were times 296 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: when we lost it and we were going off a 297 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: scuff mark and the leaves going down the hill. But 298 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, within forty five minutes we were 299 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: standing over the bear. Yeah. I think the thing that 300 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: surprised me was when the blood stopped hitting the grounding 301 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: you just started seeing smudge marks on the side of trees. Ye. 302 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta use everything in your arsenal when 303 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: you're telling any kind of animal. Like if we had 304 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: just been looking for bright red blood drops on the ground, 305 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: we would never found that bear. But we were staying 306 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: on game trails. We started splitting up going down different 307 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: game trails, and you you learn to look at the 308 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: backside of all these leaves because this bear. And we'll 309 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: talk about how bears are notorious within with a not 310 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: ideal shot. They're notorious for not bleeding much. But the 311 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: point is we found the bear, no problem. That's what 312 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: these middle of the middle guys say all the time. 313 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: It's like they say they'd rather have a gut shot 314 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: bear than a bear that was shot too far, low 315 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: and forward or shot straight in the shoulder, you know, 316 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: because you are not going to break through a bear's 317 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: shoulder with archer equipment, I don't believe. I mean, perhaps 318 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: there's a you'd have to be very lucky tho. Yeah, 319 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: you probably have to hit some kind of artery something 320 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: to even kill something with a far forward shot lock 321 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: at and he's you know, I've never trailed a bear 322 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: and recovered one as far as Kobe's. You know, usually 323 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: if you get yards, that's really that's been your experience. Yeah, 324 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: you know, I've had some bad shots, and you know, 325 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: I've trailed them jokers like you say, three four hundred 326 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: yards and on minimal blood never find them. But usually 327 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: a lethal shot on a bear, you know, a hundred 328 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: yards are less. They just don't you know, they don't 329 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: carry their weight that farest seems you know, they kind 330 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: of give out quick if they're hit good. Yeah, let's 331 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: go ahead and jump into what I was saying about 332 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: how and how a bear bleeds and the importance the 333 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: whole point of this is gonna be the importance of 334 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: getting two holes with so this would factor into the 335 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: shot angle, but also your equipment that you're using but 336 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: a big priority with bear is to get two holes. 337 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: So it goes back to what you said at the beginning. 338 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: A A broadside shot is what you want. A broadside 339 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: shot gives you the shortest distance between two points when 340 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: the era is going through and even if the era 341 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: is not sticking in the ground on the other side, 342 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: but if the broadhead at least penetrates the skin on 343 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: the other side, you've got two two holes. That bear 344 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: is gonna bleed more. But bears are notorious for not 345 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: bleeding because they are they do have a lot of fat. 346 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: They do have a lot of a lot of fur, 347 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: which is like a mop. I mean, it's soaking up 348 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: some of that blood, not all of it. And you 349 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: know if you just double double lung tin ring a bear, 350 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna bleed pretty good. But when you 351 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: get into that marginal category, like with Colby's, if you 352 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: had only gotten uh, had one hole, didn't have an 353 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: exit wound, you know, we would have had a much 354 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: more difficult time finding that bear. But he he was 355 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: bleeding on two sides because we got that pen traction. 356 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: And so that goes back to on whitetail, a quarter 357 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: and away shot is a pretty good shot. Smaller animal, 358 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: smaller bone, not a stick of hide, not a stick 359 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: of hair. You could probably gonna you know, you're probably 360 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: gonna get a pass through. And unless you hit that 361 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: offside shoulder on a cord and away shot on a deer. 362 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: And I mean we even look for a quarter and 363 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: away shot on a deer oftentimes. Um, but boy, you 364 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: want to get you want to get two holes. The 365 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: other thing about getting two holes is that most bears 366 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: are being shot out of tree stands, especially in a 367 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: bait situation. And if you get one hole from a 368 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: high elevated position, that means your entry hole is gonna 369 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: be high on that animal and that dude is gonna 370 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: bleed very little lower hole. Yep, you know that's where 371 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna get you. I guess you could set up 372 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: a dungeon type set up where you had a hole 373 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: underneath and whether you're shooting up into the bears, oh man, 374 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: like dig a hole. It's a whole new setup. You're 375 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: supposed to laugh that cold, ye, then your entry hole 376 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: would be on the bottom of the bear. That's for 377 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: all those duck hunters out there, they can just you know, 378 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: like yeah, like a like a duck hole, like a 379 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: what would you call a yes yes? Well okay, so 380 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: getting two olds okay, and that even goes into your equipment. 381 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: Like we at Bear Hunting Magazine, we are pretty much 382 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: adamant about not using the expandables for bear Okay, there's 383 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: gonna be a ton of people that maybe even listen 384 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: to this podcast that will say they have killed bears 385 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: with expandables, as have I. But I have heard too 386 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: many stories and seen for myself too many examples of 387 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: when they have not performed as well as a fixed 388 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: blade broadhead. I mean, just by very principle, it does 389 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: remove energy from an arrow. For those blades to expand 390 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: large cutting diameter is gonna cause more friction on that arrow, 391 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: reducing the energy driving that eraw into the animal. If 392 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: the whole objective is to get two holes on a 393 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: big animal, I mean a big white tailed deer is 394 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: maybe at most twenty inches too. I don't know. Maybe 395 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: a big Canadian deer would, or big Midwest deer be 396 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: inches wide. I doubt it. Like you're trying to penetrate 397 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: block eighteen inches with a big bear trying to penetrate 398 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: thirty inches, I don't know, if that's accurate or not 399 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: not counting the all the hair you're traving yep to 400 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: shoot through. Yeah, the conclusion that we've come to is 401 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: just that if your priority is to get two holes, 402 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: it's best to use a fixed blade broadhead. And there's 403 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: all kind of fixed blay broadheads, there's all kind of 404 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: uh cut on impact broadheads. I would rather have a 405 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: small hole but have two of them than have one 406 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: big hole. I've also heard stories of from reputable, reputable 407 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: bow hunters and archers that they have seen uh expandable 408 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: heads get clogged up in hair like like they hit 409 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: a bear, had reduced penetration, killed the bear, extracted the 410 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: mechanical broadhead to find it just covered in hair like 411 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: where it was catching hair and dragging hair into the animal. 412 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: Do you have any experience with expandables. I've killed probably 413 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: half of the bears. Okay, I've shot with expandables and 414 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: had great luck. I haven't had one fail yet. But 415 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: you know, I've been shooting uh fixed four blade for 416 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: the last four or five years. But you know, in 417 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: early years, when I first started bear hunting too, I 418 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: just shoot a three blade and yeah, it's all no, no, 419 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: and seeing a with a good shot, like a broadside 420 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: shot at a reasonable distance when you're not having a 421 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: crazy angle. I mean, I agree with you can probably 422 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: kill everybody in the woods with an expand yeah, I'm 423 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: shooting high pounded. You know, I'm shooting right at seventy 424 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: pounds and all my shots or you know, fifteen yards 425 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: or less, and you're trying to take that broadside and 426 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: any percent of the time you are gonna punch through. 427 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: You know the rif did you get penetrate? You've got 428 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: to hold a lot of pass throughs. Yeah, yeah, almost. Um, well, okay, 429 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: tell us why you're using a fixed blade head now, 430 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: just you know, I didn't really think about it. Then 431 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: you want to not your eyes cross your tees. I 432 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: can see you know, a fixed blade, you are going 433 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: to get that penetration. You are gonna get that passed 434 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: through on most every shot. So you know, just trial 435 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 1: on air. And I've got to wear a feel more 436 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: comfortable shooting a fixed blade, you know, uh, confidence in it. 437 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: And like you say, I think, uh, you don't have 438 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: to have the big gaping hole and uh you know 439 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: if you I guess the question is what you gain 440 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: by by shooting a expandable. You know, I guess the 441 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: volume of the cut. You know, maybe you're cutting a 442 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: few more arteries or something like that. But you know, 443 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: there is always that thought in the back of your mind, 444 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: off that broadhead failing and not performing, Yeah, like it 445 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: should fix blade. You pretty much eliminate that. What you 446 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: see is what you get. Yeah, you know, in my opinion, 447 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: the expandable broadhead is made for white tail. I mean, 448 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: it's a smaller animal, not a lot of hair, not 449 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: thick hide, not thick bones. And they're great. And if 450 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: you get a marginal shot, and I've killed a gobb 451 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: of white tails with expandable heads back in the day, 452 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: And if you get a marginal shot on a white tail, 453 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: I would rather be shooting a big fat expandable. But 454 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: they're really not made for bear. They're really not designed 455 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: for a big bone, thick haired, thick fat animal. That 456 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: means so it's kind of you know, you could kill 457 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: every a bear in the woods with an expandable. That's 458 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: the truth. But I believe and in somebody that's as 459 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: good as you ride and as experienced as you. I'm 460 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: being serious, like you're not gonna you're not a good 461 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: example for someone to show an expandable, that's messed up. 462 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: But I would say for the average guy, if he 463 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: were the average bow hunter with you know, I mean, 464 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: there's all these different levels of experience that people have. 465 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: If he was shooting expandables at ten bears, it's gonna 466 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: cost him a bear in ten bears, I believe. And 467 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: you may be on your fifth bear and it's not 468 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: cost you a bears, so you're still going when if 469 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: you had been shooting the fixed blade, you'd have killed 470 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: all ten. That's what I believe. And now everybody's got 471 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: to do what they think. But that's a pretty good topic. 472 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: Let's talk real quick to about set up. A lot 473 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: of people ask about archery setups for bear and the 474 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 1: question is can't I use my white tail set up? 475 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: And my answer to that is basically yes. I mean, 476 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: like I'm not, I'm shooting around sixty pounds. Actually the 477 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: bear that I killed in Oklahoma this year batman pound bear, 478 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: I was shooting a fifty well it may have been 479 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: sixty pounds. I want to say it was the high fifties. 480 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: Just tendering, you know, no problem, I hit to ended 481 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: up hitting kind of the offside shoulder. He had his 482 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: leg down, so I didn't get just a complete pass 483 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: through with him. Yeah. Right, you were there with me 484 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: on the recovery. You know that bear was crouched and 485 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: he had his elbow back like this and hit him 486 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: right here, and it actually went down through his shoulder 487 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: and like was sticking down in his inside the hide, 488 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: but in his front leg. So when you getted the bear, 489 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: you found the arrow actually, and remember were to recover 490 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: James Lawrence's bear. Ten days later, David Miller found my 491 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: iron wheel broad head on the ground. Yes, uh, trying 492 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: to think it was still It's a kind of a 493 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: mystery to me what happened because I never found an 494 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: exit hole. But David Miller found eight inches of arrow 495 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: in my two d and five grain iron wheel broadhead. 496 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: We were tracking James kilderbarrel over there in the same place. 497 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: We went over there and tracted and he came back 498 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: and handed me that, And I said, where did you 499 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: find that? Because David was with us when we recovered it, 500 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, so anyway, it was just a 501 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: weird deal because I mean that that bears front legs 502 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: were you know, ten inches in diameter, so in in 503 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: that arrow, just at the steep angle. But point being, 504 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: you don't need super heavy pounded drying shooting seventy pounds. 505 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: What was your bow set up something? Yeah, yeah, you were. 506 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: You were shooting pretty low pounded average way there. I 507 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: figured your aarrawwaight, Kolby was in the four hundreds. I 508 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: mean you're shooting a hunter grain trick, Yeah, slick trick magnum, 509 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: and that's a great head. I mean I love a 510 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: slick trick broadhead and have for a year. Um, I 511 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: did shoot the iron wheels this year mainly because of 512 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: my traditional stuff. Um. But if if you and I'm 513 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: sponsored by no broadhead company, but if you just said 514 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: to Clay pick your poison for broadheads, I would I 515 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: chide a hunter grain slick Trick Magnum. Now for for compound, 516 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: I've actually shout their Viper trick, which is not a 517 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: traditional not not a not a traditional you know, traditional 518 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: archery head like that. But so the main thing would 519 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: be just getting the right broad head and shot placement. 520 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: It's not about having an eighty pound bow, so you 521 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: can't use your white tail set up. People evaluate aero 522 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: penestration based on kinetic energy momentum is actually the correct 523 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: way to men to evaluate the possibility for aero penetration. 524 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: But basically momentum measures of vector which vector momentum measures 525 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 1: the the directional force. Kinetic energy measures force just like 526 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: like an explosion almost just like just like it just 527 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: measures how much energy is present in this thing. Basically, 528 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: what I'm getting to is arrowweight is more important than speed. 529 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: You know, there was a time when an archery everybody 530 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: was worried about speed. You know, it's just like, shoot 531 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: a really fast bow with a light arrow. But a 532 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: really fast bow with a light arrow does not penetrate 533 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: as well as a slower bow that's shooting a heavier arrow. Anyway, 534 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: this is all nerd talk, but momentum is the correct 535 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: way to measure arrow penetration. Not CONNECTICU. Energy didn't speed 536 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: come from where you're wanting to get it there faster, 537 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: so the white tilt didn't duck as much. Yeah, like 538 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: my dad, who who is bow hunted his whole life, 539 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: he loves speed, and it's because he didn't want after 540 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: judge yardage. He always wanted a bow that would shoot 541 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: flat to thirty yards, so that just any there that 542 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: showed up in the woods of Arkansas, which basically most 543 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: time you can't see much more than thirty yards. If 544 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: a deer showed up, he just put his first pen 545 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: on it because in his experience shooting slow bows all 546 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: through the seventies and eighties was he was missing deer 547 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: because of misjudging yardage. They didn't have range finders, you know, 548 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: they're good range finders. He had these range finders that 549 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: like combined images. Have you have you seen those rhynd 550 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: where it's like you put your eye in and you 551 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: dial it and it like combines the old school. Yeah, 552 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: and so so his whole thing was speed so that 553 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: he didn't miss judge yardage. As I went through that, 554 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: I was like, well, we we've got range finders. Now 555 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: you're set in a tree and you can range everything. 556 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: So you pretty much no yardages for tree stand white 557 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: toil hunting, for bear hunting. So I would rather shoot 558 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: a heavier arrow and get more penetration because I did 559 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: have some mishaps with uh, not getting penetration with white 560 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: tells when I was younger. We've talked about barre anatomy, 561 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: we've talked about shot angles. We haven't talked as much 562 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: about shot angles, But like you, you really don't want 563 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: to take a super steep quarter and away shot on 564 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: the bear. Now, if that's all you have, you can 565 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: certainly kill a bear that is at a steep quarter angle, 566 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: but you're probably gonna forfeit that exit hole, and so 567 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: you just gotta be prepared for that, and you gotta 568 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: make sure you're on your a game. Ryan mentioned this earlier, 569 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: is that one of the biggest differences between deer and 570 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: bear is that a bear, first of all, is a 571 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: black animal. Black. The color black is designed to absorb 572 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: light and to not give away much. I mean, like 573 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: if you just look into a black piece of paper, 574 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: it's like all you see is black. But if you 575 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: looked at a white piece of paper that maybe was 576 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: folded just a little bit, like you could see the shadows. 577 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: White show shadows shows shape, and so a black a 578 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: bear can often look like just a black trash bag. 579 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: And you can't see where the shoulder comes up, you 580 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: can't see the ribs, you can't no definition where a 581 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: white tail. Ryan has short hair, light colored hair, has 582 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 1: a very defined muscular body. I mean, you can see 583 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: the shoulder, you can see the ribs, you can see 584 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: the rump, you can see the muscles. So when you 585 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: look through the peep on the boat a white tail, 586 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: you can see right where you're aiming. A lot of 587 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: times with a big bear or a little bear, you 588 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: pull up and look for a peep and you feel 589 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: like you're aiming at a black trash bag. And I mean, 590 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,479 Speaker 1: even inside of me having killed some bears, I still 591 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: struggle with that. Sometimes at close range, like close range, 592 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: you draw and you're like, holy cow, Like in the 593 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: bear that I killed in Oklahoma. I don't know why 594 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: that one got to me, but I drew the bow 595 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: bear just right there, I mean like ten yards and 596 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: I looked through the peep and all I could see 597 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: was black. And I was looking around my peep to 598 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: try to get a you know, trying to just figure 599 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 1: out where my pen was, and that would lean back 600 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,919 Speaker 1: in and look and lean back in and look, and 601 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: finally I felt like I had where I wanted to hit. 602 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: I shot, and if you remember, I shot far forward. 603 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: I've had that same problem in low light conditions before dark, 604 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, trying to see through your peep and like say, 605 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: no definition on a bear. You want to make sure 606 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: that body is not cupped. You know, sometimes they'll roll 607 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: them hips to the side and be cupped. Uh, that's 608 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: not the best. Just wait for him to maybe expose 609 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: that leg or just you know, completely broadside. But yeah, 610 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: it's uh, it can be tricky sometimes we'll see. And 611 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: that's that's the next point is that a bear can 612 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: do a whole lot more stuff than a white tail. 613 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: A bear could be sitting on his butt, a bear 614 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: could be standing up, a bear could have his feet 615 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: up on a tree. A bear could be cupped. And 616 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: that's probably to me one of the things that gets 617 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: most people. We've made some videos about this. But a 618 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: bear could look like he's broadside, but actually his spine 619 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: would be like in a u A deer can't even 620 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: do that hardly. But like a bear could be appear 621 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: to be broadside looking at you, but actually eighty percent 622 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: of his vitals be covered because he's cupped like a 623 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like a like a dog. Well, 624 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: that's that's not a good example, but yes, or or 625 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: a lot of times with inbated situations, bears come in 626 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: and lay down. Lots of guys have shot bears laying down, 627 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: and again, you can do it, but it's trickier because 628 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: those vitals are compacted. He's literally laying on his rib cage. 629 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: Those ribs flex and you you know, shooting a bear 630 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: laying down, you're probably shooting at a target that is 631 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: twenty percent less in size than it would be if 632 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: the bear was standing up. Would you agree with that? 633 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: I mean, like that that rib cage would flex just 634 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: a little bit and those vitals would those vitals would compress. 635 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: So basically a deer doesn't just have the flexibility to 636 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: do what a bearer does. That throws people off run people, 637 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: especially people that aren't familiar with seeing bear. As a 638 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: bear comes in, he might be standing up, he might 639 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: be laying down. He might be setting on his haunches, 640 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, licking his bottom feet. He might be he 641 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: could do all kinds of stuff. I've seen you do 642 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: that yourself, and licking my feet, you know occasionally that 643 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: man that's massively. When I first started hunting bears, I 644 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: remember just kind of being like confused by watching a 645 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: bear move. And I think that's kind of what freaks 646 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: people out sometimes when they're hunting bear for the first time. 647 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: It's just to see an animal that that's just different 648 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: than what they're used to. Kobe was at your experience. Yeah, 649 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: it was really surprising, like first being so big, they're 650 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: pretty pretty since they are like they're pretty, like they 651 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: know what movements they're making. It's like they're so articulate 652 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: with their movements. I guess it would be the things 653 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: they're definitely in the the yoga animal. You know, if 654 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: you like to do yoga, the bears your your spirit animal. 655 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: Ryan's big in the yoga the yoga. That's one more 656 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: thing let's talk about. So we most of what we've 657 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: talked about here would relate directly to archery hunting. I 658 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: do want to say that hunting with a rifle is 659 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: gonna be different. Now, bar anatomy stays the same, all 660 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: the stuff stays the same in terms of the actual bear, 661 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: but with a rifle, shooting a high powered rifle, you're 662 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: kind of been a different ball game because you can 663 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: shoot a bear straight in the shoulder, high in the 664 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: shoulder and just drop them. You can shoot a bear 665 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: that's facing you. I would never suggest shooting an archery 666 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: bear just head on. I mean, I know it's worked 667 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: for people. I mean I'm sure it has, uh, but well, 668 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, bullet you're getting that shock, that energy hydro 669 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: static shock, you're shutting down the electrical system. Basically, shoot 670 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: him in the shoulder, head on, like you're talking about 671 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: quarterin away a little more forgiving on. Definitely a rifle, right, 672 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: So with a rifle, I would have to say that 673 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: it would be fairly similar to a white tail in principle. 674 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: I mean, because you can shoot them the shoulder, you 675 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: can shoot him head on, you can shoot him quarter 676 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: in a way that wouldn't be a problem. Um, you know, 677 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: you don't have to obviously judge for you don't need 678 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: to shoot low because they're not gonna jump the string. 679 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: I mean, so rifle hunting is quite different. And this 680 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: podcast really isn't about rifle caliber, but a lot of 681 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: questions about caliber rifle, and it kind of goes back 682 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: to the same thing with archery. You can kill a 683 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: bear with a thirty thirty and a hundred and fifty 684 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: grand bullet. I mean there are lots of air it 685 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: probably thirty thirties probably killed as many bears as any 686 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: any caliber, just from the old days of when guys, 687 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: when that was a main cartridge. But you the bigger 688 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: the better, the bigger the better with with bear because 689 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: they are a big animal, you do want to hit 690 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: them hard. Uh. You know, my gun of choice currently 691 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: for black bear rifle of choice mag with a two 692 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: grain bullet out of my my Best of the West rifle. 693 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: But I did want to just clarify that a lot 694 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: of the delicate things that we're talking about in terms 695 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: of shot placement for black bear does include is about 696 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: archery hunting, not as much about about rifle hunting. But hey, 697 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: closing comments or thoughts, Ryan Um, let me ask you 698 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: a question, what would you say would be the biggest 699 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: mistake that you have seen? First time bear hunters are 700 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: just inexperienced bear hunters make on shot placement biggest mistake. 701 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: You know, Bears aren't like dear people are excited to 702 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: finally you know, Hey, I've got a bear here in 703 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: front of me, and you know it's in range. I 704 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 1: need to hurry up and get take the shot. Bears 705 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: are pretty patient, you know, especially on a baited hunt. 706 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 1: You can wait and wait and wait for that perfect shot. 707 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: You don't have to be in a rush. You know, 708 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people want to take that first shot 709 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: opportunity just to wait for the right shot. You know, Um, 710 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: I've made mistakes and you know, not made the right shot. 711 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: But you know it's all about patients. But I guess 712 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: you know it just comes with experience. So um, more 713 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: bears you get a chance to be around and and harvest, 714 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: you'll learn from that and take it to the next hunt. 715 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: But like I said, just be patient, wait for the 716 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: right shot opportunity. You don't have to be in any hurry. 717 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: That's a. That's a great example because in white tail hunting, 718 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: most of the time you have a very short window 719 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: to execute a shot on a big buck. I mean, 720 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: like take the first shot you get, you know what 721 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, that's a that's a good ethical shot. 722 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: That's that's kind of the way we're preached to because 723 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: most time these animals are just moving through areas that 724 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,959 Speaker 1: we're hunting. But especially on a baited hunt or even 725 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: on a spring a spring hunt, when a bear is 726 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: feeding out in the meadow, you got time. If that 727 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 1: animal is feeding, he's gonna be there for a while, 728 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: and so you don't have to rush it. So you're 729 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: number one thing when the first time bear hunter, new 730 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 1: bear hunter would be rushing the shot. Yeah, yea, yeah, 731 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,919 Speaker 1: you know I'm basing that on hunting over a bait 732 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: where the bears occupied. You know, like you said, he's 733 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: not passing through. Uh, you're gonna have some time to 734 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: especially if the wind's right and he don't know you're around, 735 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: You've you've got a little bit of time to play with. 736 00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: And I can say, the right opportunity to present itself. Yeah, 737 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: very good, Kobe, What do you think? I mean, those 738 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: are the things that Corey told us or told me 739 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: whenever I went up there. It was just you know, 740 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: to be patient and make the right shot. And we 741 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: were patient, I mean watching We watched that bear for 742 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: a while and the right opportunity was there. Um. I 743 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: think one of the things that happened I didn't realize 744 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: he was he was moving, you know, And so I 745 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: think what happened was I was looking through the peep 746 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: like once I should close my other eye and just 747 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: like focused on him. I couldn't tell that he was moving, 748 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, because it was the right opportunity. He just 749 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: started moving right at the wrong time. So you probably 750 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: hit right where you were aiming. He just wasn't in 751 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: the same spot he moved. Yeah. Well, and I think 752 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 1: that's a good thing to to think about is that 753 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 1: once you initiate that shot cycle, you've got to be 754 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: super flexible. I mean, your shot cycle has to be quick. 755 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: And when I say shot cycle, I mean like draw 756 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: your bow and from the time you make the decision 757 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: to shoot until the time you actually execute the shot, 758 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: you need to be able to back out of it, 759 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: you know. I mean like because in that situation, you 760 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, I'm gonna shoot, and then two seconds 761 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: time he moved, you know, and you went ahead and shot, 762 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: you know. Now, I think that I think that's just 763 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: learning being in bow hunting situations in archery and executing 764 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: the shot, you know, which is anybody could have made 765 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: the mistake. But yeah, I think, uh I I had 766 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: been drawn back for a while. I think that if 767 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: I there, if in the future, like whenever I get 768 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: an opportunity or I think I have one, I think 769 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just, you know, if I'm drawn back for 770 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,320 Speaker 1: too much time, just let it down and just reassessed, 771 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: you know what. Though that being said, my strongest trait 772 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: I think when it comes to actually taking an animal, 773 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: especially with a compound bow, it's knowing when to draw. 774 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: And I love drawing before they get there. I mean, 775 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: like I like doing what you did. Yeah, I felt 776 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: like you did the right thing. I mean like the 777 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: bear was just at any second gonna step into a 778 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: correct shooting position. So you were drawn and ready. Now 779 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,280 Speaker 1: once you start holding up for over a minute or something, yeah, 780 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean like if you start to fill your body 781 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: be compromised and like, yeah, you should have let you 782 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: you can let down that situation. But like, the biggest 783 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: thing that I see people do is like a deer 784 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: or bear is coming and they wait till it's in 785 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: position to shoot before they draw their bow. Man I draw. 786 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like draw a minute before it 787 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: gets there, but I'm anticipating the shot, drawn and ready, 788 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: and boy, when it steps to where I want to shoot, shoot, 789 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: And that's probably more a white tail thing because a 790 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: lot of times they're moving. And but hey, we're gonna 791 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna end this podcast. I hope that you've learned 792 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: something here, and uh, yeah, you know, ultimately our goal 793 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,760 Speaker 1: is to make as many good at the gold quick 794 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: killing shots as possible. And uh, bears are big, tough, 795 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: unforgiving animals, but when they're hit right, they go down easy. 796 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: And so hey, guys, thanks for being on the podcast, 797 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,800 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have We're gonna continue, We're gonna have 798 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,280 Speaker 1: a few more podcasts that are kind of this style 799 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: where we're just talking about a specific issue. Hey, keep 800 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: the wild places wild. Why keep us? For the bears 801 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: b