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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small

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Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions

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Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor Joy hard and Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or

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Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website

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Speaker 1: at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. While I hope you

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Speaker 1: love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is

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Speaker 1: a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me for session three sixty of the Black

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Speaker 1: Girls Podcast. We'll get right into our conversation afterword from

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Speaker 1: our sponsors. It's been a while since we had some

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Speaker 1: time on the podcast to catch up on all things TV,

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Speaker 1: music and pop culture, and y'all, there is a lot

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Speaker 1: to unpack, from the well documented wrapped beef between Kendrick

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Speaker 1: Lamar and Drake to our Queen Beyonce's latest release of

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Speaker 1: Cowboy Carterer, and not to mention the recent met Gala.

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Speaker 1: I figured it was time to sit down and have

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Speaker 1: another one of our fan favorite producer chats. Joining me

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Speaker 1: for today's pop culture rundown is our TBG production team,

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Speaker 1: including senior producer Elise Ellis and production assistants Aria Taylor.

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Speaker 1: We discuss all of the aforementioned topics, plus dive into

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Speaker 1: some of my recent obsessions like the CW drama All

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Speaker 1: American and this year's WNBA Boom. If something resonates with

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Speaker 1: the episode. You can join us at community dot Therapy

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Speaker 1: for Blackgirls dot com. Here's our conversation. All right, so

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Speaker 1: the TVG team is back together again for a little

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Speaker 1: pop culture catchup. It feels like we're coming late with

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Speaker 1: this one this year because we haven't had one so

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Speaker 1: far in twenty twenty four, so we definitely want to

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Speaker 1: weigh in on all the things that we've been watching,

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Speaker 1: listening to reading. I'm very excited for us to do

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Speaker 1: a little bit of ketchup. So I'm here today joined

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Speaker 1: by Elise and Zaria from our team. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to introduce yourselves and tell us what you do here

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Speaker 1: at Therapy for Black Girls Hi everyone.

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Speaker 2: My name is Zaria Taylor. I am the production assistant

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Speaker 3: My name's Elise Ellis.

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Speaker 2: I am now the senior producer of the podcast, and

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Speaker 2: I'm super excited to talk about pop culture, definitely one

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Speaker 1: So we are going to start, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: I owe the audience a bit of an apology because

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Speaker 1: I was late to this show All American and All

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Speaker 1: American Homecoming, and I feel like I have kind of

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Speaker 1: and I definitely feel like we could have been doing

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna do a little catch up now because

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Speaker 1: I binge watched most of them, I think over the

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Speaker 1: watching All American in real time every Monday and then

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Speaker 1: waiting for All American Homecoming. The new season I think

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Speaker 1: starts in July. So Elise, you were faithfully watching All

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Speaker 2: I do think at its essence, it follows like a similar,

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Speaker 2: very slightly storyline of The Fresh Rent. So you have

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Speaker 2: quote unquote like troubled neighborhood who kind of infiltrates this

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Speaker 2: I won't say that acting is the best, but every

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Speaker 2: Sometimes with All American it moves too fast. But I

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Speaker 2: every episode. I just like good teen drama shows, and

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Speaker 2: I think especially with the CW, we saw a lot

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Speaker 1: So it's really interesting you bring up that point because

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe that is like a function of the privilege, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that could be the case, but I

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Speaker 2: I definitely think it is a function of the privilege.

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Speaker 2: And then I also think about just from my experience

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles. I'm not saying parents who aren't in major

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Speaker 2: they're driving themselves to school, which kids everywhere do. But

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes when you live in like a bigger city,

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Speaker 2: think this wasn't All American before it was All American Homecoming.

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Speaker 2: They went to Vegas and someone got married, and I

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Speaker 2: But I think that is what makes honestly any CW

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Speaker 1: Very good point. Yeah, and I grew up in the

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Speaker 1: do you watch All American?

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Speaker 2: So I always think it gives me a level of

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Speaker 1: So I love even the generational differences that are showing up,

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Speaker 1: operas with my grandmother, right, and really fell in love

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Speaker 1: I have definitely enjoyed this show, but I think it

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Speaker 1: even see some storylines around therapy, so you know, at

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Speaker 1: I mean so I think that there's just lots of

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Speaker 1: So I just think that there have been lots of like,

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Speaker 2: I really enjoy seeing the friendship between Spencer and Jordan

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Speaker 2: Also do appreciate about the show it doesn't try to

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Speaker 2: and I think that is something I grapple with with

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Speaker 2: I'm like, are we not allowed to argue? And disagree

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Speaker 2: with each other. This show marries that perfectly, and I think,

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Speaker 2: like what you said, the characters are multi dimensional, and

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Speaker 2: I think one of my favorite characters both Layla and

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Speaker 2: Also, how the show approaches their mental health struggles, I

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Speaker 2: characters one, we see them party, we see them at school,

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Speaker 2: we see them have conflict with each other. But I

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Speaker 2: think there's a level of self awareness with themselves that

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Speaker 2: I don't think we see with a lot of teen

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Speaker 1: I agree with it. So how are you feeling about

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Speaker 2: So I'm not all the way caught up, doctor Joy,

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Speaker 2: a bad way.

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Speaker 2: and I do think I'm tired of seeing like the

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Speaker 3: You know, there's always going to be tension between Spencer

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Speaker 2: I went to Spelman College. I was an international studies major,

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Speaker 2: lean into their styles a little bit. So I'm a

438
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: big Cowboy Carter fan.

439
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So like you, Zaria, I am not a

440
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: country songs fan, but it was Beyonce, so I was like, okay, girl,

441
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna go wherever you take us. I'm gonna be

442
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: open to this project. And I definitely enjoyed it much

443
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: more on first list and then I expected myself to.

444
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: But like you, Elise, I have also made a playlist

445
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: of the ones that I want to go back to

446
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: over and over again, like I typically play it in

447
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: the shower, and I also really enjoy the songs with

448
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 1: other people. So the song with Miley Cyrus Too Most

449
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: Wanted probably was the most surprising song on the album

450
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: for me, because one I didn't expect like a Miley

451
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: Cyrus matchup, Like I didn't even consider that this would

452
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: be something that would happen. But the way that their

453
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: voices blend so beautifully on that song, I think makes

454
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: it probably one of my favorite songs on the album.

455
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: If not my favorite, I kind of go back and forth.

456
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: But I also really love Blackbird. So that was not

457
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: a song that I was familiar with before Beyonce's album,

458
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: before Cowboy Carter, but now of course, knowing more about

459
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: the history about the Beatles and like they wrote it

460
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: out of the inspiration of the civil rights movement and

461
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: the way that she brought the three other black women

462
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: country artists onto that song specifically, I just really love it.

463
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: I love that they have gotten so much more shine

464
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: because of being on the album, and I just feel like,

465
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, they have been doing this work for a

466
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: long time, and so to be able to get this

467
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: Beyonce shout out, I think has really opened some doors

468
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: for them that they have been probably trying to beat

469
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: down for quite some time. So I love the to

470
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: hit Heel's angle of course of Blackbird, but also really

471
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: love like, I feel like the back half of the

472
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: album I enjoy more than the front half. Like it

473
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: feels like that is more the fast paced, like it

474
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: kind of gives me almost a Renaissance vibe. Now, I

475
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: definitely still love Renaissance more, but I definitely feel like

476
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: the back half of the album I enjoy more than

477
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: the front end.

478
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 2: It's so interesting that you say that, because really, up

479
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: until two weeks ago, I used to stop the album

480
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: at Two Hands to Heaven. I was like, clip, don't

481
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: need to hear anything after that. But I love Tyrant

482
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 2: Now when I hear Sweet Honey bucking, it jars me

483
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: when it comes on. It's not that I don't like it.

484
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: The transitions are beautiful, which I think is why, Like

485
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: you're able to just listen to the full thing, but

486
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: on its own, I'm like, oh, I'm not listening to

487
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: the song, but within the album, I listened to it.

488
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 2: My favorite run I think it starts at the Linda

489
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 2: Martell show through Two Hands to Heaven. That's the part

490
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: of the album that I could listen to over and

491
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: over and over again. But I really do love Just

492
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: for Fun. Like the middle part of the album to

493
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: me is the most country, so starting at Daughter kind

494
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 2: of through Just for Fun, I love that part of

495
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: the album because I think that's where Beyonce is doing

496
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: country very well. I am like the exact opposite of you.

497
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: At least I'm not gonna lie. The first half I

498
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: used to straight skip. I think it's because I don't

499
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: like country music, so I like the songs that feel

500
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: least like country. Just for fun is the least favorite

501
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: of mine. I'm so sorry. That's a snooze fest to me.

502
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: And also, I just generally I don't like slow songs.

503
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: I like really upbeat songs. It just keeps my attention

504
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: more so. It's the second half all day, every day

505
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: for me, and it still is that way.

506
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: I love that they're often with Beyonce projects. Everybody finds

507
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: their like groove, right. I think that's the beauty of

508
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: her giving us so many songs is that everybody can

509
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: find their own collection of things. So besides Cowboy Chrter

510
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: and it sounds like Renaissance is still on people's playlist,

511
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: what other things are you all listening too that you

512
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: want to maybe dig into a little bit. I don't

513
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: know if you guys listen to Bryson Tiller, but I

514
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: really like his most recent album.

515
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: It's so funny.

516
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: I've never been a Bryson Tiller fan, but I do like.

517
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 3: Songs on this album.

518
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: If you probably search his name on my Twitter, i'd

519
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: be like, I hate resent her. I just did not

520
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: see the hype in his music at all. I thought

521
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: it was very basic, but I do enjoy this album

522
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: a lot, and I think it's going to do well

523
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: outside over the summer. I think the cover is so ugly, though,

524
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: and I think it speaks to like how I feel

525
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: like a lot of people, myself included, will not click

526
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: on an album with the cover is ugly, same way

527
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: with a book. So I feel like he's limiting himself

528
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 2: with this cover. But the album is really good. I

529
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: have been listening to Anisia. She's a rapper. I really

530
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: like her music. One of my friends styles her, but

531
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: I appreciate that her albums are short. I really enjoy

532
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: more melodic rap. I don't like things that are really

533
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: fast paced. It kind of overwhelms me. And so her

534
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: voice is very deep, but she's rapping, so I really

535
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: enjoy her music a lot, and I just enjoy her

536
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: personality in general. This album came out like a long

537
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: time ago.

538
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 3: It was last year.

539
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: Cleo Soul's album Gold I really love, and then Dua

540
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: Lipa just covered one of her songs, so it brought

541
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: that back up for me.

542
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: But I'm always listening to Cleo Soul.

543
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: I have a couple of songs that I've really been playing,

544
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: so there's a song that actually at least put me

545
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: on too. It is called Fisher by Cash Cobain and

546
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: Ice Spice hopped on the remix. I really really like it.

547
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: And then there's a song going viral and TikTok right now.

548
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: It's called million Dollar Baby. And I usually do not

549
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: go for TikTok songs, but that one has been on

550
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: my playlist for a while now.

551
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: I really love that song.

552
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: I love Million Dollar Baby. The artist Tommy Richmond. He's

553
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: from Virginia, so he's from the DMV. I'm from DC,

554
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: so that's really cool to see like artists in this

555
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: area going up. But his song debut number two on Billboard,

556
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: which I think is crazy, and I hadn't seen any

557
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: promo outside of tik talk videos, so I thought that

558
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: was really cool just seeing the song blow up in

559
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: that way. Georgia Smith just release I think it was

560
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: last week, and they were kind of like new arrangements

561
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: of older songs. I saw her in concert in October

562
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: and she did some different arrangements of her classics, and

563
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: so I always appreciate her music.

564
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: I really love kind.

565
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: Of the British R and B scene, as you may

566
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: be able to tell and then I'm always listening to

567
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: Cash Cobaine and Challie. They're from New York. I guess

568
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: the sub genre is sexy drill. I like the music

569
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: because it's rap that you can dance to, and I

570
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 2: don't think enough people are making that, Like I think

571
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: we see like R and B rap.

572
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: This is more rap over R and B beats, and

573
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: so I appreciate that as well.

574
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: So I do not know most of the people that

575
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: y'all have just said. I'm like, Okay, clearly, I gotta

576
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: go back and do some research on who the young

577
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: folks are listening to. So I am finding myself deep

578
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: in my Tamia bag right now. So for evernybody who

579
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: was not a to me a fan, or for the

580
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: younger folks who might be listening and you did not

581
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: go down the Tamia discography a rabbit hole, I would

582
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: like to introduce you to that because I feel like

583
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: she is somebody who I think got a fair amount

584
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: of shine like when she was most popular, but I

585
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: think just has one of the most beautiful voices in

586
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: her music. I think is just very relaxing but also

587
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: really beautiful and powerful. So I have been re listening

588
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: to a lot of her first albums.

589
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: Recently, one of my goals before my twenties, so I

590
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: have five years left, is to learn to me a

591
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: line dance.

592
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: I oh, now, I'm not going that far it.

593
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: At Thanksgiving last year, people were trying to learn it,

594
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: like some people knew it, some people did it, and

595
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: I was just like, this is not the space.

596
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: I think.

597
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: You need rehearsal, you need individual practice.

598
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: So that is one of my goals is to learn

599
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: that dance.

600
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: As an HBCU student, it's almost required for us to

601
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: know it. So I had to get on my zoom

602
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: and I was in my room learning it myself, and

603
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: it was actually really fun. And once you get it,

604
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: it's not that hard, y'all. It's really not. It looks difficult,

605
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: but it's not hard. That's what everyone says, Like, it's

606
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: really not that difficult. But I mentioned this dance class

607
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm taking through that I've learned that I'm a bit

608
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: directionally challenged when it comes to dance. So it's not

609
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: like I don't have rhythm, but when it comes to

610
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: like directions and like no, that is what's messing me up.

611
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: A stylist woman in fashion London Girl and NYC. I

612
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: follow her on Instagram. She just started a newsletter and

613
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: she interviewed T Dramoses in her newsletter, and so I've

614
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: been listening to more of her music. I've always been

615
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 2: a fan, but I think everyone points to be Your

616
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Girl as like her best song, and she has like

617
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: so many other songs. So I've been revisiting her catalog

618
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: as well because of that newsletter.

619
00:31:48,560 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: Okay, more from our conversation after the break, anything else

620
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: to put on the radar that people might not be

621
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: paying attention to.

622
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: I know we might get into this a little later,

623
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: but I have not stopped listening to not Like Us

624
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: the Kendrick lamartis as someone who really does love hip hop.

625
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: I have been checked out of this beef. I know

626
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: what goes on because of social media, but I really

627
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: wasn't listening to the songs, like maybe I'll listen to

628
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: them once, but I'm not revisiting them.

629
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: I'm not unpacking what's going on. But then I would

630
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: see the videos or.

631
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: Like the memes from Not Like Us and I was like, okay,

632
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: I need to listen, and now I will listen to that.

633
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: Song on a loop.

634
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: And I told myself today is the day where I

635
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: will go one day without listening to the song. I'm

636
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: just like, I'm not tired of it, but I'm over

637
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 2: indexing on it.

638
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: I need to space it out. What's so crazy is

639
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: I was about to say the same thing.

640
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: Euphoria and not Like Us are both on my replay,

641
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: especially Euphoria. I almost know all the lyrics to Euphoria

642
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: and that's like a six minute song. Yeah, I think

643
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: I know all the lyrics to not Like Us now,

644
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: which it didn't take me that long, but yeah, I

645
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: got a press pause for a few days.

646
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I definitely am not all the way caught

647
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: up on how we got to this place. I have

648
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: been also enjoying Not Like Us though, but I also

649
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: think I just like DJ Mustard's beat, and so I

650
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: think most songs that he produces I typically am going

651
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: to enjoy. But not Like Us definitely is the favorite

652
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: song of this whole beef that we have going on.

653
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that we want to get into

654
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: related to this that y'all think would be helpful to

655
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: talk about that you feel like you really want to

656
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: share some thoughts on and maybe a little crash course

657
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: into how we got here, Like I'm not quite sure

658
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: that I understand, so maybe other members of the community

659
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: also don't understand, Like, how do we get to this

660
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: place where Drake and Kendrick are going at each other?

661
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: They've been beefing for years.

662
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: We have Poetic Justice, which came out My Goodness in

663
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. They clapped on that song. But Kendrick diss

664
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: Drake on All the Stars on the Black Father Sound, which.

665
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm just learning. I love that song. I never knew

666
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: that that was like a Drake dis.

667
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: Drake dissed him on one hundred, which is a song

668
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: he did with the game, and that one was a

669
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: little more known, and at the time when Drake was

670
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: in la he was allegedly scared for his life, so

671
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: it goes that far back. But what I think is

672
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: interesting about this beef is, although if you're maybe a

673
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: casual listener of rap music, they seem to be at

674
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: the same stature or the same celebrity, but I think

675
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: there are two completely different artists, and it can seem

676
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: maybe like a little elitist to say, Okay, Kendrick has

677
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: won a Pulitzer and it puts him in a different

678
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: category as Drake. But I think it does not just

679
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: because of who's a better rapper. I think actually both

680
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: of them are really good rappers. I think we hear

681
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: Kendrick rap in the traditional kind of style of what

682
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: we view as serious hip hop more than Drake. But

683
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: I think not gonna say they're gonna go toe to

684
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: toe with lyricism. But I'll never say Drake is a

685
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: bad rapper. I think what's interesting if you back it

686
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: up to Like earlier this year, there's a podcast called

687
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: The Cutting Room Floor. It's really a fashion podcast, but

688
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: Most Deaf was on the show and this cliff went

689
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: viral where he said Drake is pop music and I

690
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: liken his music to shopping. I think that is where

691
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: their differences come through. I think Kendrick Lamar wants to

692
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: be known as like a serious rapper in the tradition

693
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: of a rapper like most def or a rapper like Common,

694
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: but hip hop is so global and universal that he

695
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: has his toe like in pop culture from a music

696
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: standpoint and just from the way we talk about him.

697
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: And then he's done things like the Black Panther soundtrack,

698
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: so he still makes popular music. But I do think

699
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: he wants to be seen in the tradition as like

700
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: a serious rapper. Drake is a pop artist. I don't

701
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: think anyone can deny that. I think the songs people

702
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: enjoy the most from him are the songs that you

703
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: can dance to or are more melodic.

704
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: To me.

705
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 2: When he's trying to be this hard, storytelling, taking shots rapper,

706
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't enjoy it, and so I think taste wise,

707
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: they're very different, and Kendrick is maybe not very vocal,

708
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: but it's more distinct. I'm like, I don't like Drake

709
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 2: for those reasons. We're not the same type of rapper.

710
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to be compared to him. Now, there

711
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: may be other subcontexts in the beef that we're missing,

712
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: but I think that's where it comes from, and I

713
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 2: think it's fair if I want to be seen as

714
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: one type of rapper. I will not say Kendrick is

715
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: a conscious rapper at all, but I think that's what

716
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: he's trying to be and Drake is not that. It's

717
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: just like, don't compare us. I don't want to be

718
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: in the same kind of universe as you at all.

719
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: But something I don't appreciate about this beef is how

720
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: I do feel like women are the punchline in.

721
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: So many of these songs. For years, rumors blind.

722
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: Items circling that Drake messes with underrage women. There's also

723
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: rumors that Kendrick has physically abused his wife. Kendrick has

724
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 2: not addressed those allegations. Drake did address the underage women allegations,

725
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: but even though he did address them, there has been

726
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: like multiple instances where it seems more than plausible. But

727
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: what's interesting is, well, if both of you have known

728
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: this for so long and it seems to be an

729
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: open secret in the industry, what are the repercussions? And

730
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: I think we see this time and time again, like

731
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: with what's going on with Diddy now and so many

732
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: other men in the industry. It's like, oh, yeah, we

733
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: know that they act this way, but it's only going

734
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: to be revealed in a legal setting or if someone

735
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: has like beef with someone. That's what's rubbing me the

736
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: wrong way about it and the reason why I've checked

737
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: out a bit. But overall, I think it's bringing up

738
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting conversations about comparing it to like

739
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: Biggie Tupac. There's been conversations about like does Toronto have

740
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: a regional sound. Allegedly, most artists in Toronto do not

741
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: like Drake. So I think a lot of things are

742
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: being uncovered from this beef, which I.

743
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: Think is more interesting than the actual music itself.

744
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much I want to piggyback on that

745
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: you said at least, but I'll just start by saying

746
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: I didn't know all of the history that was involved

747
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: in like the starting of this beef. I was under

748
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 2: the impression that when j Cole and Drake had First

749
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: Person Shooter and they talked about, oh, the Big Three,

750
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: that Kendrick got offended by that. He was like, fter

751
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: big Three, It's just big me and that's how it started.

752
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 2: And that was crazy to me because it's like, now

753
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 2: they brought in children and wives and all that over

754
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: just kind of an ego competition over who's the best rapper.

755
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: But now I hear that like it's more than that.

756
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: But generally, I was checked out from the beginning in

757
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: this beef because I don't care for either Drake or Kendrick.

758
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: I did not pick aside because Drake I view as

759
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: a misogynist based off of the shots that he took

760
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: at Megan the Stallion. Since then, I've been completely off

761
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: of him and then Kendrick to me, I generally dislike

762
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: conscious rappers because I feel like a lot of times

763
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: they try to portray an image of being very conscious,

764
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: when in reality they are not. And so with Kendrick,

765
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: I also was offended by his use of the f

766
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: SLAF and his song Auntie Diaries. I know that there's

767
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: a lot of conversation around that, some people defending it,

768
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: but I personally that got me off of Kendrick. So

769
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: with that said, I was uninvested in the beginning. But

770
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: what I will say on Aleast's point of like Drake

771
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: being a pop artist, I can speak for my generation

772
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 2: and that I'm quicker to put on a Drake song

773
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: than I am to put on a Kendrick song simply

774
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: because I just want to hear upbeat music. I don't

775
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: want to hear godous rap. And that's just the truth

776
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: of the matter. And so even though I recognize that

777
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: Kendrick is lyrically much better of a rapper than Drake is,

778
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm less likely to put on a Kendrick song just

779
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: because sometimes you're just not trying to hear that. So

780
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: that's how I felt about the beef Obviously, I think

781
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: Kendrick has won the beef based off of just the

782
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: lyrics of it all, and also when it comes to

783
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: Drake and the underage girls thing, his defense was so terrible,

784
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: like saying, I'm too famous to be a pedophile. It's like,

785
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: how many examples of famous people do we know, famous

786
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: rich people that we know who have been able to

787
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: get away with this. It was just like a really

788
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: terrible and then him saying that he fed Kendrick's team

789
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: this whole thing about the daughter. There's so much evidence

790
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: that would go otherwise. So I just feel like he's

791
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: spiraling a little bit. But I don't anticipate that this

792
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: will have a large impact on his career just because

793
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: he's Drake. He's like almost intouchable, so I don't anticipate

794
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: this having a real impact on his career. And like

795
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: Alis said, the fact that black women have been the

796
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: punchline in this whole beef and the accusations of being

797
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: a dead bee dad and being a domestic abuser. At

798
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's black women who are

799
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: the victims of these accusations that they're throwing around, So

800
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: that has me even less caring about any of what's

801
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: going on with this beef. So that's where I'm at

802
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: right now. I think what's interesting that you said Zaria

803
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: is for someone your age, like they rather listen to

804
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: Drake than to Kendrick.

805
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: That's completely true.

806
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: I feel like I grew up with Kendrick, Like his

807
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: first album came out when I was in middle school,

808
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: and then his second album came out when I started

809
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: high school, and it was an album that really encapsulated

810
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: the high school experience, not from necessarily the lyrics, but

811
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: a lot of it came up at the same time

812
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: as Tumblr. And so I do think if you're anywhere

813
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: from like twenty five to thirty five, like you get Kendrick.

814
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: But I will say it wasn't until his.

815
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: Most recent album that I felt like he stopped making

816
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: popular music. I always thought Kendrick's music was popular. I

817
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: just thought it had more of a storytelling lean that

818
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: some people may think is like boring. So to me,

819
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: it's interesting now Kendrick has taken this. I don't want

820
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: to say a complete shift, because I always saw it

821
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: getting there, but I do think his attitude in this

822
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: entire beef and the reasons why he doesn't like Drake

823
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: leans more into mister Morale and the Big Steppers as

824
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: opposed to like what his music was before. But yeah,

825
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: I do think it's really interesting where you start to

826
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: see differences between them as artists, and I think it's

827
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: come up, you know, in the past.

828
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: Three to four year, and.

829
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: There's always been differences, But like you said, I think

830
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: Kendrick was very offended by like him, J Cole and

831
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: Drake seem to be this click that Kendrick's not a

832
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: part of. But I don't think Kendrick wants to be

833
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: a part of it anyway, So that's very interesting. I'm

834
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: always interested to hear how like younger people are processing it,

835
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: because sometimes when I look at Twitter replies or on TikTok,

836
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: it seems like everyone who's rooting for Drake is very young.

837
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm relatively young too, but everyone who's rooting for Kendrick,

838
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: they're definitely like out of college. But I think maybe

839
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: we have more context to the beef as a whole.

840
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I guess my question is, would you all say that

841
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: Drake considers himself a serious hip hop person.

842
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's done a few interviews where he's talked about

843
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: like he loves hip hop like he studies rap, and

844
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: what I've inferred from that is like he just doesn't

845
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: make that type of music. Like I do really like

846
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: Drake's music. What I don't like are this most recent album,

847
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: like her Loss. There are one or two songs that

848
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: I like because I think he's trying to do or

849
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: be something different. Sometimes I feel like he's leaning more

850
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 2: a little too like mimicking Future, mimicking twenty one Savage,

851
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: who from a popularity standpoint, aren't as big as him globally.

852
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: But even when he made honestly Nevermind, which is like

853
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: the house music album, I loved that album. I loved

854
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: Views because it leaned into the Toronto sound, and so

855
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: I think he's made a wave and hip hop for

856
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: the Toronto sound, for what you can do with just

857
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: like party music in general and more melodic songs. He's

858
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: definitely has his own sound in his own wave, and

859
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: I think he's like diverted from that. When I think

860
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: about what he's done with other Toronto artists or things

861
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: that sound more like that, I might Okay, yes, Drake

862
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: is a serious hip hop person because he's made this

863
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: way for the city that he's from. But then when

864
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: he starts to like borrow from Atlanta or like tag

865
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: Team with all the new artists. That's when I start

866
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: to not respect him. And you know, Kendrick has been

867
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: getting at that, like you're a visitor of the culture

868
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: and you're borrowing from the culture. And I'm like, that's

869
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: what people don't like about Drake. But to me, he

870
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: has carved out such a unique lane that I also

871
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: think he has the stature to say, I am a

872
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: hip hop person, especially for like Canada and Toronto. So

873
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: it's interesting to see him divert from what works for

874
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: him and what solidifies him in the genre time and

875
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: time again.

876
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: I don't get it.

877
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, And I think my Drake lane is like

878
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: nice for what and in my feelings, like those are

879
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: the songs that I most enjoy, which it also seems

880
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: like Kendrick is alluding to, right, like I like the

881
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: two step Drake, Like I like that kind of thing,

882
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: And I think that's mostly how I see Drake. But

883
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I am the intended audience for like

884
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: maybe some of this other stuff, and so I don't

885
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: feel like I know very much about his other songs

886
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: besides the ones that I feel like are most poppy

887
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: and the ones that you see like in commercials and

888
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: that you see people talk about on TikTok D too.

889
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: So I definitely think that is what I most identified

890
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: Drake with.

891
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: I agree, Doctor Joy. I almost viewed Drake as an

892
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: R and B artist in the way I feel like

893
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: his strength is his vocals, because a lot of rappers

894
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: try to sing, but few are as tolerable as it

895
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: is listening to Drake to sing, and so I've never

896
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: really viewed him as a serious hip hop artist. And

897
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: also I don't believe that he writes his music. I

898
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: fully support the ghostwriter allegation, so that also takes away

899
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: from my respect for him in the hip hop realm.

900
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: But I think from his point of view, he probably

901
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: thinks that there's a lot of conversation around him helping

902
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: to elevate other artists by giving them number one hits

903
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: or giving them Billboard success, and so I feel like

904
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: he feels like they should be grateful for that. And

905
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: so that's why you know he's visiting all these different cultures,

906
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: but he feels like, oh, well, I'm giving them all

907
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: this fame. Because it is true, when Drake hops on

908
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 2: the song, it immediately goes higher, and so I feel

909
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: like he feels like that compensates for the fact that

910
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 2: he is a visitor in a lot of these cultures.

911
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: Very interesting, So I'm definitely curious to hear the community

912
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: weigh in on this because I'm sure that opinions are

913
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: all over the place and people are feeling lots of

914
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: different things. So definitely let us know. Once you listen

915
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: to this episode, hit us up on Twitter or on

916
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: Instagram and let us know where you fall on the

917
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: whole Kendrick and Drake conversation. So I want to also

918
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: talk about something that I have recently become obsessed with

919
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: and I am surprised at myself for this. So I

920
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: have become a huge women's basketball fan, and I feel

921
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: like I like revisit this every year in response to

922
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: like the NCAA tournament just because of the black girls, right, Like,

923
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: I am totally about like supporting the black women who

924
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: have just really been killing it in the game historically,

925
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: and I feel like are not getting enough shine. But

926
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: I feel like I took it a step further this year.

927
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: So now I have purchased the league pass so that

928
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: I can see the WNBA games I'm on the wait

929
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: list to get season tickets for the Atlanta Dreams, so

930
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm really diving in, and like I

931
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: watched the draft for the first time this year, like

932
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: I have gone fully in. But I have to say, though,

933
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: my love for this season for sure started with Dawn

934
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: Staley and the South Carolina team. So of course I

935
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: knew who Dawn was as both a player and as

936
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: a coach, but I don't feel like I knew as

937
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: much about her before they won the national championship. And

938
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: so I've just been doing a deep dive on all

939
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: of the things written about her, all the interviews that

940
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: she's done, and it just feels like she has created

941
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: such an incredible culture as a coach at South Carolina,

942
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: And so I am fully on the Dawn Staley vandwagon

943
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: and waiting for the new season to start to see, Okay,

944
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: what's the matchup gonna look like, and paying attention to

945
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: like the students at all these other schools, So like

946
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: the Yukon Ladies and Juju at USC, I'm like, Okay,

947
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: what's happening. So I've like followed all of them on TikTok,

948
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: and now my TikTok is like a full women's basketball

949
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: So now I'm not getting like my makeup tutorials. Now

950
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm fully in women's basketball TikTok. So I'm curious to

951
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: know if you all have been paying attention. Is this

952
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: something you have been equally obsessed with like me?

953
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I have most definitely been tapped in. I'll say

954
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: I'm generally a fan of basketball, but college basketball hasn't

955
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: been my specific thing until last season with LSU taking

956
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: the W. That was when I really started to get

957
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: invested in this season. I am all the way tapped

958
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: in with Don Staley and specifically Raven who played on

959
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: their team. I know people who know her because she's

960
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: from Atlanta, she went to Westlake and so it's really

961
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: cool seeing her kind of have this revenge season and

962
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: being able to fight back because I know last season

963
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: she had a moment with Kaitlyn Clark where Kaitlyn was

964
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: saying she can't shoot, and now she absolutely took the W.

965
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 2: So I am all the way interested. I've been all

966
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: over Angel Reese's TikTok and seeing her be on the

967
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: Chicago sky and seeing her elevate in that way. I'm

968
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 2: so excited to follow the journey of these players because

969
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: they're so talented and I just love seeing young black

970
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: girls just like thrive in this way, echoing that I

971
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: love seeing young black girls thrive. Angel Reese, I think,

972
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: is the second WNBA player to go to the met Gallo,

973
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: which is so exciting.

974
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: She looked beautiful.

975
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: She was also styled by a black woman who's an

976
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: editor at Vogue, and so being able to just see

977
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: her enter the pop culture zeigeist in a really.

978
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: Strong way is amazing.

979
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: I am excited to see what Juju in the team

980
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: at USC will do next season. I got to see

981
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: her play in the Slam High School like All American Classic.

982
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: I think this was two years ago, and I got

983
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 2: to see a lot of other like young black women

984
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: players play and that was really exciting. And so to

985
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: also see just storied basketball entities support young women in

986
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: the space is really great. Like Slam has Slam Women's

987
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: which has been around for a few years, but to

988
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: see it grow. The WNBA is now chartering all of

989
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: the travel for WNBA players, which probably could have been

990
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: done before, honestly, but just to see the attention and

991
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: care put back into women's sports It's something I'm really

992
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: loving to see. But yeah, I definitely want to go

993
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: to a Chicago sky Gain that is on my twenty

994
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: twenty four bucket lists.

995
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I love that. Yeah. I also thought that Mangel

996
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: looked beautiful at the met gala, And I love that

997
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: she is just like making the most I think of

998
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: her opportunity. She is somebody who, like you, Zaria, I

999
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: fell in love with last year and feel like she

1000
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: has really gotten a bad rap. I feel like she was,

1001
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: as media often does, two black women, young black women

1002
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: in particular, was villainized. And people can understand the competition

1003
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: of sports when it is not black women, but when

1004
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: black women are involved in all of these different stereotypes

1005
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: and things get placed onto the story. And so I

1006
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: have just really loved how she has been able to

1007
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: handle some of that but also kind of remain true

1008
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: to who she is. And I feel like she has

1009
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: a very solid support system, which I love. Right, So,

1010
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: I know many of us saw the moment with her

1011
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: and Folage when she talked about like all this criticism

1012
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: and how it had impacted her, and so I also

1013
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 1: love that it feels like she has a very loving

1014
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: support system who really affirm her and really help her

1015
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: to kind of block out some of those negative messages

1016
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: that I think people have tried to say about her.

1017
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: So at least I know the Met Gala is like

1018
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: a big thing for you every year. You are like

1019
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: our resident Met Gala watcher. So what were your thoughts

1020
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: from this year? In addition to Angel?

1021
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 2: So, I always enjoy the Met Gala, like I love

1022
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 2: dressing up personally, and I love seeing other people dress

1023
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: up and what they can do with a theme. But overall,

1024
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: although there were a lot of like beautiful gowns, I

1025
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: know that is like a derogatory saying. Sometimes I wasn't

1026
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: wowed by anything in particular. So the theme was Garden

1027
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: of Time, which refers to a short story. I think

1028
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 2: it's four pages, but basically you have this count Axle

1029
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: who there's like an angry mob approaching his castle and

1030
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: to kind of slow them down, he cuts flowers from

1031
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: the garden. So over time there are no flowers left.

1032
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: And so I think there are themes of erosion and

1033
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: a course, florals are a big theme, but I think

1034
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: the theme of time and how things change over time

1035
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: was what I wanted to see in a lot of

1036
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: the garments that I didn't see, and so people who

1037
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: played into one using textures that he wrote over time

1038
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: and showing that on their garment I think was really great.

1039
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: People who leaned into the delicacy of florals instead of

1040
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: like literal florals I think were really great. But yeah, overall,

1041
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't wowed by this carpet. I will say H

1042
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: and M had some of the best dresses on the carpet,

1043
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: so Paloma Elceser wore H and M, and so did

1044
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: Divine Joy Randolph, so I absolutely loved their dresses. I

1045
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: thought Tyler looked really great at the met gala, although

1046
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: she had to.

1047
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: Be carried up the stairs.

1048
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: But I don't think what a lot of people saw

1049
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: it was later her dress was cut into a shorter

1050
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: dress and it started to fall apart, which I thought

1051
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 2: was really great. I really loved everyone at Loeve and

1052
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: what they wore to the met Gala. Thought like the

1053
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: florals were very literal, they were still really beautifully done.

1054
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: They looked delicate. I think some of them were like

1055
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 3: hand painted or hands sown.

1056
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: But overall, I was just really happy to see black

1057
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: creators on the carpet.

1058
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: So wisdom. K is a TikTok creator.

1059
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: I love to see like his personal style shine through,

1060
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: so he wears very big coats and dramatic hats. But

1061
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 2: just the fact that he was invited was really great.

1062
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: I will say overall, it did seem like there was

1063
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: a lack of black designers on the carpet as compared

1064
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: to previous year. So last year, I think Usher was

1065
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: there with Bianca Sanders and his suit was really great,

1066
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: and so I was definitely thinking about that. It felt like,

1067
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: as it does with the Grammys or the Oscars, there's

1068
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: a high in representing kind of black talent and then

1069
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: it falls off. That's what the Met Gala is starting

1070
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: to feel like, both from who's invited from a celebrity

1071
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: standpointorn influencer standpoint, but then also the designers and then

1072
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: another dress. I loved Aurora James, who her brand is

1073
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: Brother Bellies, which is a black brand. She always looks

1074
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: amazing at the Metgala, and my hope is that eventually

1075
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: she'll become.

1076
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: A host because every year she kills it.

1077
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: I wish we would have seen Solange do this theme,

1078
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: but I haven't seen her do a carpet in like

1079
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 2: a long time, but anytime she's at the MET gala,

1080
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: she looks absolutely fabulous. Those are my general thoughts. I

1081
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: don't have much to add. I wasn't really tapped into

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00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: this MET gala. I've been like over it in general.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just like ob seeing displays of wealth.

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Speaker 2: It's just like not my bag. But I will say

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Speaker 2: that I don't like the theme this year. I feel

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Speaker 2: like I more gravitate towards teams that have more interpretations

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Speaker 2: to them, like Camp. I really liked the Camp theme.

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Speaker 2: I feel like garden at the time, people immediately think garden, flowers,

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Speaker 2: time clocks. It is repetitive, so there weren't really any

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Speaker 2: looks that stood out to me. I wasn't like tapped

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Speaker 2: in with this megala as I have been with some

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Speaker 2: past ones. To piggyback off of what Zaria said, I'm

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Speaker 2: tired of, I wouldn't necessarily say themes that.

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Speaker 3: Aren't as literal.

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Speaker 2: But Camp is one definition, one word, very easy, you

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Speaker 2: get it immediately.

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Speaker 3: Punk is in that same tradition.

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Speaker 2: I think, even with the naming of the theme, they

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Speaker 2: could have been a little more literal or suggestive. But

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Speaker 2: I think what I want from Met Gala's in future

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Speaker 2: years is for them to niche down. I like when

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Speaker 2: they lean into specific designers, specific eras of time. I

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Speaker 2: think that always brings a really lively carpet. Although I

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Speaker 2: get where they're going. This theme works for a museum exhibit,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think it works on people interpreting it

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Speaker 2: as a dress code. But it should with designers, but

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Speaker 2: it just doesn't. It doesn't translate.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate the history of the theme at least

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Speaker 1: because then that to me makes it seem as if

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Speaker 1: Tyler Vin won the night. Now, granted I did not

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Speaker 1: get the reference for her dress until I saw like

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Speaker 1: her little hour glass purse or whatever it was, and

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Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, she's supposed to be an

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Speaker 1: hour glass. So if we are thinking specifically about the theme,

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Speaker 1: I definitely think that she won the night for sure.

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Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see what the theme is

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Speaker 1: next year and see what the looks are giving. So

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Speaker 1: as we wrap up, then I would love for you

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Speaker 1: all to talk about maybe one piece of media, whether

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Speaker 1: it be music, something you're watching that is leaving you

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00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: feeling inspired and maybe uplifted recently.

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00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so my pick is one of my favorite shows

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Speaker 2: of all time, Like I've rewatched it six seven, eight times.

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Speaker 2: Is BoJack Corseman on Netflix and that show people typically

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00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: say that it's so depressing to them because it is

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00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: a really candid look at mental health, which is why

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00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: I love that show. But for me, every time I

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00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: watch it, it's uplifting to me. I don't know what

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00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: that says about me, but even the more depressing aspects

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00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: of the show I just find really interesting. I think

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00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: it's a great study on like addiction, on depression, on anxiety,

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00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: and so that's always going to be something that I

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00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: run back and I'm currently on. Like I said, like

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00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: my eighth or ninth rewatch, I'm going to start off

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00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: and say Challengers. I saw Challengers in April. I've seen

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00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: it twice and I anticipacing in a third time. I

1137
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: honestly think this movie released too early. I think it

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00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: needed to be the movie of the summer, and April

1139
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: was too early. But either way, I'm happy it's out.

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Speaker 2: I think the movie is just exhilarating. Like the way

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00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: it's shot, the way the storyline is set up, the

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00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: tension between the characters is really fun.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to see.

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00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: Zendaya in a more mature movie, and I'm excited to

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00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: see like her career grow from there. I've loved like

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00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: all the red Carpet looks that she's done just for

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00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: the press tour in general, and so Challengers is something

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00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: that has made me really happy seeing all the tweets.

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00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: I could talk about it four hours, so I anticipate

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00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: seeing that movie one more time, maybe two more times.

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00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: I really loved it. And then I recently watched, or

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00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: I've been rewatching Jane the Virgin, which I watched episode

1153
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: by episode when it first came out, and I think

1154
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: it made me realize that I do like television that

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00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: is a bit campy and soapy, because that is like

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00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: a play on a telenovella, and I grew up watching

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00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: a few telenovellas, so maybe that's where that comes from.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's a really great love story. There's

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00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: a lot of great family themes. It's just a feel

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00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: good TV show. And sometimes I think working in media,

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: I feel this pressure to watch everything that's new and

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00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: have an opinion on it or be able to talk

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00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: about it with other people. So to kind of slow

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00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: down and revisit something that I loved when it first

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00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: came out has been really fun.

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Speaker 1: So I will say, in addition to WNBA games and

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: keeping up with women's basketball, I typically this time of

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00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: the year get back into like my romance novel kind

1169
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: of bag because I feel like summertime it's the perfect

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00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: time to like read things that don't require me to

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00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: like do too much deep diving like that I can

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Speaker 1: just enjoy. So right now I'm reading a love story

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00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: for Ricky wild by Tia Williams, who was of course

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00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: a guess on the podcast and Hand seven Days in June.

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00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: And then next up on my list or the books

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: from Kennedy Ryan that have gotten lots of excitement, and

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to read.

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Speaker 2: Those romance novels so real, Like I just love a

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00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: good campy romance novel. And I've been really into the

1180
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: Colleen Hoover books, which I know is like terrible because

1181
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: people like hate her, but I just need like a

1182
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: good corny read sometimes, so I've been really into that

1183
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: as well. I will also be reading a love story

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00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: for Ricky Wilde. It has come about maybe every other

1185
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: month on my ig story, I'll ask what are you

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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: guys reading, and like four people said that and it

1187
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: wasn't on my radar at all, so it's now populated

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00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: my book list for the summer.

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Speaker 1: There you go, so definitely, Like I said, y'all, weigh

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Speaker 1: in on the comments and let us know what you're reading,

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00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: what you're watching, any reactions to the things that we

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Speaker 1: have shared. So Alisa and Zaria, as we wrap up,

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Speaker 1: please let the people know where they can find you

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Speaker 1: if they are curious about more of your pop culture thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I want to stay connected with you. Where can we

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Speaker 1: find you online?

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Speaker 2: The people can find me. I'm on Instagram at Yours Truly,

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Speaker 2: Zaria Yours Truly. Then my name is spelled C A

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Speaker 2: R I A H. And then I'm on LinkedIn as

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Speaker 2: Zaria Taylor. I'm on LinkedIn at Elise ls so e

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Speaker 2: l l I C E last name E L L

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Speaker 2: I S.

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Speaker 3: And then my Instagram is my first in my last.

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Speaker 1: Name perfect and we will be sure to include that

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. Well, thank y'all so much for

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Speaker 1: joining me for this little pop culture recap.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, doctor Joy, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that Lisa Zier you were able to

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Speaker 1: join me for this conversation to learn more about the

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Speaker 1: work that they're doing. Be sure to visit the show

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Speaker 1: notes at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com slash Session three

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Speaker 1: sixty and don't forget to text two of your girls

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Speaker 1: right now and tell them to check out the episode.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for a therapist in your area, visit

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Speaker 1: our therapist directory at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com slash directory.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to continue digging into this topic,

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Speaker 1: just be in community with other sisters. Come on over

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Speaker 1: and join us in the Sister Circle. It's our col

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Speaker 1: can join us at community dot Therapy for Blackgirls dot com.

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Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Alice Ellis and Zaria Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Editing was done by Dennison Bradford. Thank y'all so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me again this week. I look forward to

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Speaker 1: continuing this conversation with you all real soon. Take good

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Speaker 1: care

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Speaker 3: What