WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Hollywood Sign

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck in Hollywood. Dave c is not here, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's here in spirit. I was going to make a

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<v Speaker 1>tasteless joke, but we'll just send it there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we are talking today about the Hollywood Sign, which

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<v Speaker 2>this year, the year twenty twenty three at which time

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<v Speaker 2>we're recording, is celebrating its centennial. Right there at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of Mount Lee and Griffith Park in Central Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>Central Hollywood. That iconic sign is turning one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. Did not realize it was that old, because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't think of Hollywood that old.

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<v Speaker 2>Doe, No, do you. I used to think Hollywood was

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<v Speaker 2>not a place but a mere euphemism for the film industry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's both.

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<v Speaker 2>It's both, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But the whole idea of Hollywood, at least with the sign,

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<v Speaker 1>was that it was initially constructed and built all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back in nineteen twenty three as essentially a big

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<v Speaker 1>billboard for a real estate development called Hollywood Land, and

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<v Speaker 1>the original Hollywood sign originally said Hollywood Land.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and by the way, thanks to Kate Morgan and

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<v Speaker 2>houstuffworks dot Com for this one. This is something I

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<v Speaker 2>talked about in a Movie Crush episode. Occasionally, on the

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<v Speaker 2>many episodes, Nola and I would go over like it

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit of like Hollywood history, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was one of them. And it's funny. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know people, some people may have seen the original Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>Land sign that said Hollywood Land and kind of thought, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is that even all about? But that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a real estate company. It was just an

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<v Speaker 2>advertisement to go buy houses in that development. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was lit up with light bulbs at the time, about

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<v Speaker 2>four thousand of them that blinked all night long. Because

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<v Speaker 2>the Hollywood Sign is not lit up at night, you

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<v Speaker 2>might falsely picture it in your head as something that's

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<v Speaker 2>like up in the hills all night. That's not the case.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And by the way, before we move any further forward,

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<v Speaker 1>I did an entire episode on the Hollywood Sign in

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<v Speaker 1>the End of the World with Josh Clark.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you really know? Jeez, man, you were getting me

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<v Speaker 2>I know so much lately Left and right?

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<v Speaker 1>Is my delivery even drier than usual?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's just it's so earnest and I'm just falling

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<v Speaker 2>for it. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I get you because I thought it might.

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<v Speaker 2>Have been in a part of another I just I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>No you're not. I'm just that earnest.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a good actor these days. Thanks. I wish you

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<v Speaker 2>would have been when we were on our TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey hey, zing I did great. But anyway, no, you

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<v Speaker 1>did great. So Hollywood Land. It was originally the sign

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<v Speaker 1>this billboard, and the Hollywood Land developer spent I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's twenty one grand to build it, which I believe

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<v Speaker 1>is in nineteen twenty three dollars, which would make it

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<v Speaker 1>about almost four hundred thousand dollars. And despite that price,

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<v Speaker 1>they just expected it to last about eighteen months. But

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<v Speaker 1>the crazy thing about it is, even though it was

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<v Speaker 1>built of essentially plywood, it outlasted the Hollywood Land development

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<v Speaker 1>itself well into the forties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did. It had gone through a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>stages of disrepair over the years. In the late nineteen forties,

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<v Speaker 2>it was looking pretty rough. That company, that Hollywood Land Company,

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<v Speaker 2>was long gone and it was sort of a thing

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<v Speaker 2>in the city. They were like, should we tear this

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<v Speaker 2>thing down now? Is it kind of dumb to have

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<v Speaker 2>this old billboard up? And then the Hollywood Chamber of

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<v Speaker 2>Commerce stepped in and said, you know what, let's rebuild

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. Sure, let's drop the land and let's just

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<v Speaker 2>have a sign that says Hollywood. And it was going

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<v Speaker 2>strong again for about three decades until the nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 2>when it was in very bad shape once again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and who of all people stepped in? Well, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you right after this commercial.

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<v Speaker 3>Break, Josh and.

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<v Speaker 1>Things, Jock and job all right, Chuck, Who have all

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<v Speaker 1>people stepped in to save the Hollywood sign from being bulldozed? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Clark, creator of End of the World with Josh

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<v Speaker 2>Clark wrong? Hm hmmm uh. Oh, I don't know. Bob Guccioni,

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<v Speaker 2>who ran Penthouse Magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice, or maybe Larry Flint who ran Larry Flint. No,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe Jim Bob Jones who ran Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Now see is that a real guy? I no anymore? Okay, God,

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<v Speaker 2>we should do a you know what I want to

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<v Speaker 2>do an episode of Gullibility. Okay, No, I don't see.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, you got me.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually do. Hugh Hefner stepped in, obviously Playboy magazine

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<v Speaker 2>founder in chief, and he raised money by throwing a

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<v Speaker 2>big party in nineteen seventy eight at his very famous,

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<v Speaker 2>so may say, infamous playboy mansion. And what he did

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<v Speaker 2>was he said, is, hey, are you a company, are

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<v Speaker 2>you a rich person? And you want to sponsor a

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<v Speaker 2>letter and had that thing restored? You can do that

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty seven grand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he held an auction and invited all of his

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<v Speaker 1>famous rich friends and apparently the guy who sponsored or

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<v Speaker 1>purchased the o was none other than Alice Cooper. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got the o in honor of Graucho Marx,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. And hey, shout out to Nita strap Else.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Hurricane Hurricane Nita. I don't know if she's

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<v Speaker 2>still playing with Alice Cooper, but she was kind enough

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<v Speaker 2>to invite us to that concert when she came through Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was great.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really awesome. But Alice Cooper bought one Warner

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers Records, or rather sponsored one. Gene Autry did, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Williams sponsored one and it was restored and it

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<v Speaker 2>was They actually didn't restore it, they tore it down

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<v Speaker 2>and rebuilt it. Yeah, which was a smart thing because,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, that plywood and sheet metal was just

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<v Speaker 2>not very hearty. So this time it was steel, steel

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<v Speaker 2>on steel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They built it bigger, stronger and faster.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And steel and Steel was also a record by

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<v Speaker 2>Mega Death I think, right, I don't know. No, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like it would be a Mega Death record.

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<v Speaker 2>Elsie, Now you're afraid to agree with something.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm just yeah, I'm just gonna be wishy washy

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of our career.

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<v Speaker 2>So so here's another little a few more little interesting tidbits.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another threat that came along later because and

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<v Speaker 2>this wasn't that long ago. It was in twenty ten

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<v Speaker 2>when it was found out that all that land, I

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<v Speaker 2>think because it's in Griffith Park on top of Mount Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone just figured it's like the city owns it. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is not true because Howard Hughes actually owned land

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<v Speaker 2>just to the left of the H And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>some people knew this, but not many did until years

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<v Speaker 2>later when someone was like, Hey, we're going to sell

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<v Speaker 2>this land and develop it, and the city went, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't develop next to the H.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, yeah, we can. Have you ever heard of capitalism? Suckers?

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<v Speaker 1>And the Los Angeles City Council went to the dictionary

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, oh my god. And apparently the developer

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<v Speaker 1>bought that parcel for one point sixty seven million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and two and put it up eight

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<v Speaker 1>years later for twenty two million dollars, which is quite

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<v Speaker 1>an inflated price, but they knew that the city was

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<v Speaker 1>going to scramble to do to put it together.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>And you said that it was owned by Howard Hughes.

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<v Speaker 1>He bought it so he could build a mansion for

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<v Speaker 1>his fiance at the time, Ginger Rogers, but she refused

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<v Speaker 1>to move up there because she said that basically, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's off his nut and he will hold me prisoner

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<v Speaker 1>up there, so I'm not even gonna go up there.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just kind of like fell into disuse and

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<v Speaker 1>was forgotten and became part of the Hughes estate. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure how it was rediscovered and put up for sale,

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<v Speaker 1>But when the city of Los Angeles was basically presented

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<v Speaker 1>with either losing the land just to the left of

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<v Speaker 1>the Big h in Hollywood or coughing up twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, they really went and tried to raise that money,

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<v Speaker 1>and they couldn't quite do it, but luckily someone stepped in.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was it, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Pob GUCCIONI Nope, that would have been great if it

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<v Speaker 2>was Gooch on that second go round. Sure, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was Hugh Hefner again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he felt like, you know, I did this once.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd probably look like a heel if I didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>it second time.

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<v Speaker 1>Or he could have been like, I'm tapped out you.

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<v Speaker 1>I helped you once.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like, the Internet has killed my nudy magazine business.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't even think he auctioned off letters this time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he just stepped in and kind of made

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<v Speaker 2>them whole, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he made of the difference, like you're saying. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so the sign is safe again, including the land around it.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a book that was written by an author

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<v Speaker 1>named Casey Shriner called Discovering Griffith Park Colon a locals

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<v Speaker 1>Guide and how stuff Works. Talk to Casey Shiner and

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<v Speaker 1>he said that you can get all sorts of really

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<v Speaker 1>good views of the Hollywood Sign. In fact, there's fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>of them that he describes in detail where to go

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<v Speaker 1>to get a good view. But one of them is

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<v Speaker 1>not up at the Hollywood Sign. Which if you stop

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<v Speaker 1>and think about it makes total sense. But a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people don't realize that the trail ends behind the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood Sign, So it's not a very good place to

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<v Speaker 1>see the sign.

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<v Speaker 2>No it's not. Nora is standing right under it. If

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<v Speaker 2>you can even manage that, Yeah, because it's really big, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a how taller do we even know that?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm say, I'm sure some people know that feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're about fifty feet I think. But yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to get a little distance, you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going north on Gower, you get a nice you sort

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<v Speaker 2>of bisect it. Great view if you're just driving through Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>and I could see it outside of my apartment window.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a great view of the Hollywood Hills and the

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<v Speaker 2>Griffith Park Observatory in that sign.

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<v Speaker 1>From your room in the Playboy Mansion.

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<v Speaker 2>From my yea hose, I lived under the grotto, which

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<v Speaker 2>is weird. It was. It was awesome. Four hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty bucks a month, which was quite a steel and

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<v Speaker 2>had a great view and it was just a great

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<v Speaker 2>little place that I missed so much. I love that apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>But we should finish, probably by talking about peg Entwinstle

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<v Speaker 2>who was I featured on movie Crush. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people know this, but there was a young starlett who

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<v Speaker 2>I guess not a starlett, a Starlette to be that

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<v Speaker 2>leapt off the h and the Hollywood Sign to plunge

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<v Speaker 2>to her death. I named peg Entwhistle. And this was

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<v Speaker 2>in Oh Jeesus, I couldn't even what year was.

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<v Speaker 1>This, nineteen thirty two. I talked a lot about it

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<v Speaker 1>in the End of the World with.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh not this time. She was twenty four years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, as the story goes, she was went

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<v Speaker 2>to Hollywood to make it big and had trouble doing

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<v Speaker 2>that and so took her own life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this wasn't like she went out to Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>like a month or six months or you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Later she failed at it, like she was, she really

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<v Speaker 1>tried it. She had a bit part in a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>She was in a lot of plays. Apparently Betty Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>a very young Betty Davis, saw a play that peg

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<v Speaker 1>Entwistle was in and told her mother she wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>grow up to be like pag and Twistle. So she

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<v Speaker 1>really kept that and finally it was just like, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do this anymore, and she did. It was at

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<v Speaker 1>least back then that the letters were fifty feet tall,

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<v Speaker 1>and they believe that she got to the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the h by using a ladder that a workman had

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<v Speaker 1>left behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Very sad it is if you want to end with

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<v Speaker 2>a funnier note, though, because there's this great story about

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<v Speaker 2>Betty Davis. I'm not sure if it's true or not,

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<v Speaker 2>but she reportedly was asked one time what the best

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<v Speaker 2>way and aspiring starlet could get into Hollywood, and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>take Fountain, which is a great east west running street

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<v Speaker 2>through Hollywood, and it was always a great sort of

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<v Speaker 2>cut through because most people stick to those main streets

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<v Speaker 2>like Sunset and Santa Monica and Hollywood Boulevard, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you took Fountain, you could get there quicker.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, since we're talking so much about La, I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to shout out minding you May's friends out there,

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<v Speaker 1>Doc and Truth. Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>Are those real people or am you're gonna fool me again?

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<v Speaker 1>They are real people. I'll introduce you to them someday.

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<v Speaker 1>They're great.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Duck, I look forward to meeting you and Truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget truth, Quest and Truth. Yeah, if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, Chuck Hippie Rob was real too.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I doubt if he's in La.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there's no telling where he is. I almost ended

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<v Speaker 1>this one like a regular episode, but instead Chuck, all

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<v Speaker 1>I have to do is say short stuff is out.

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