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Speaker 1: there's Chuck in Hollywood. Dave c is not here, but

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Speaker 1: he's here in spirit. I was going to make a

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Speaker 1: tasteless joke, but we'll just send it there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are talking today about the Hollywood Sign, which

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Speaker 2: this year, the year twenty twenty three at which time

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Speaker 2: we're recording, is celebrating its centennial. Right there at the

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Speaker 2: top of Mount Lee and Griffith Park in Central Los Angeles,

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Speaker 2: Central Hollywood. That iconic sign is turning one hundred.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Did not realize it was that old, because

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Speaker 1: you don't think of Hollywood that old.

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Speaker 2: Doe, No, do you. I used to think Hollywood was

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Speaker 2: not a place but a mere euphemism for the film industry.

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Speaker 1: It's both.

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Speaker 2: It's both, for sure.

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Speaker 1: But the whole idea of Hollywood, at least with the sign,

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Speaker 1: was that it was initially constructed and built all the

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Speaker 1: way back in nineteen twenty three as essentially a big

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Speaker 1: billboard for a real estate development called Hollywood Land, and

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Speaker 1: the original Hollywood sign originally said Hollywood Land.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, thanks to Kate Morgan and

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Speaker 2: houstuffworks dot Com for this one. This is something I

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Speaker 2: talked about in a Movie Crush episode. Occasionally, on the

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Speaker 2: many episodes, Nola and I would go over like it

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Speaker 2: just a little bit of like Hollywood history, and this

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Speaker 2: know people, some people may have seen the original Hollywood

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Speaker 2: Land sign that said Hollywood Land and kind of thought, like,

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Speaker 2: what is that even all about? But that's what it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a real estate company. It was just an

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Speaker 2: advertisement to go buy houses in that development. And it

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Speaker 2: was lit up with light bulbs at the time, about

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Speaker 2: four thousand of them that blinked all night long. Because

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Speaker 2: the Hollywood Sign is not lit up at night, you

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Speaker 2: might falsely picture it in your head as something that's

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Speaker 2: like up in the hills all night. That's not the case.

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Speaker 1: No, And by the way, before we move any further forward,

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Speaker 1: I did an entire episode on the Hollywood Sign in

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Speaker 1: the End of the World with Josh Clark.

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Speaker 2: Did you really know? Jeez, man, you were getting me

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Speaker 2: I know so much lately Left and right?

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Speaker 1: Is my delivery even drier than usual?

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Speaker 2: No, it's just it's so earnest and I'm just falling

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Speaker 1: That's how I get you because I thought it might.

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Speaker 2: Have been in a part of another I just I'm

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Speaker 2: so dumb.

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Speaker 1: No you're not. I'm just that earnest.

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Speaker 2: You're a good actor these days. Thanks. I wish you

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Speaker 2: would have been when we were on our TV show.

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Speaker 1: Hey hey, zing I did great. But anyway, no, you

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Speaker 1: did great. So Hollywood Land. It was originally the sign

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Speaker 1: this billboard, and the Hollywood Land developer spent I think

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Speaker 1: it's twenty one grand to build it, which I believe

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Speaker 1: about almost four hundred thousand dollars. And despite that price,

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Speaker 1: they just expected it to last about eighteen months. But

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Speaker 1: the crazy thing about it is, even though it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. It had gone through a couple of

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Speaker 2: stages of disrepair over the years. In the late nineteen forties,

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Speaker 2: it was looking pretty rough. That company, that Hollywood Land Company,

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Speaker 2: Commerce stepped in and said, you know what, let's rebuild

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Speaker 1: Yes, and who of all people stepped in? Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: tell you right after this commercial.

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Speaker 3: Break, Josh and.

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Speaker 1: Things, Jock and job all right, Chuck, Who have all

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Speaker 1: people stepped in to save the Hollywood sign from being bulldozed? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Josh Clark, creator of End of the World with Josh

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Speaker 2: Clark wrong? Hm hmmm uh. Oh, I don't know. Bob Guccioni,

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Speaker 2: Now see is that a real guy? I no anymore? Okay, God,

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Speaker 2: we should do a you know what I want to

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you got me.

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Speaker 2: I actually do. Hugh Hefner stepped in, obviously Playboy magazine

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Speaker 2: was he said, is, hey, are you a company, are

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Speaker 2: for twenty seven grand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he held an auction and invited all of his

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Speaker 2: That's right. And hey, shout out to Nita strap Else.

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Speaker 2: It was really awesome. But Alice Cooper bought one Warner

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Speaker 2: like you said, that plywood and sheet metal was just

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Speaker 2: not very hearty. So this time it was steel, steel

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They built it bigger, stronger and faster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And steel and Steel was also a record by

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Speaker 2: Mega Death I think, right, I don't know. No, Okay,

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it would be a Mega Death record.

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Speaker 2: Elsie, Now you're afraid to agree with something.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just yeah, I'm just gonna be wishy washy

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Speaker 2: So so here's another little a few more little interesting tidbits.

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Speaker 2: There was another threat that came along later because and

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Speaker 2: this wasn't that long ago. It was in twenty ten

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Speaker 2: when it was found out that all that land, I

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Speaker 1: They said, yeah, we can. Have you ever heard of capitalism? Suckers?

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Speaker 1: And you said that it was owned by Howard Hughes.

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Speaker 1: Who was it, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: was Gooch on that second go round. Sure, but it

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Speaker 2: I think he felt like, you know, I did this once.

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Speaker 1: Or he could have been like, I'm tapped out you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, the Internet has killed my nudy magazine business.

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Speaker 2: But I don't even think he auctioned off letters this time.

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Speaker 1: And there's a book that was written by an author

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Speaker 1: named Casey Shriner called Discovering Griffith Park Colon a locals

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Speaker 1: good views of the Hollywood Sign. In fact, there's fourteen

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Speaker 2: No it's not. Nora is standing right under it. If

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Speaker 2: and I could see it outside of my apartment window.

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Speaker 2: Had a great view of the Hollywood Hills and the

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Speaker 1: From your room in the Playboy Mansion.

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Speaker 2: From my yea hose, I lived under the grotto, which

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Speaker 2: is weird. It was. It was awesome. Four hundred and

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Speaker 2: who was I featured on movie Crush. A lot of

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Speaker 2: in Oh Jeesus, I couldn't even what year was.

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Speaker 1: This, nineteen thirty two. I talked a lot about it

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Speaker 2: Oh not this time. She was twenty four years old,

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Speaker 2: and you know, as the story goes, she was went

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this wasn't like she went out to Hollywood

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Speaker 1: a very young Betty Davis, saw a play that peg

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Speaker 1: Well, since we're talking so much about La, I just

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Speaker 1: want to shout out minding you May's friends out there,

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Speaker 1: Doc and Truth. Hello.

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Speaker 2: Are those real people or am you're gonna fool me again?

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Speaker 1: They are real people. I'll introduce you to them someday.

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Speaker 1: They're great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Duck, I look forward to meeting you and Truth.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget truth, Quest and Truth. Yeah, if you want.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Chuck Hippie Rob was real too.

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Speaker 2: No, but I doubt if he's in La.

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Speaker 1: No, there's no telling where he is. I almost ended

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Speaker 1: this one like a regular episode, but instead Chuck, all

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Speaker 1: I have to do is say short stuff is out.

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