1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Shorty. I'm Josh, there's Chuck, 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: there's Jerry. Let's get things started. Yeah, let's get it started. 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: And here. Did you ever have eliminated stand growing up 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: at all? I believe I did, but it was kool aid? Actually, 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: who am I kidding? It was flavoring to your cult leader. 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't. I think I might have had one at 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: some point, but I, you know, very famously grew up 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: on a in the woods, on a street with like 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: six houses, So I don't. I can't imagine that it 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: would have been on my street because it would have 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: been completely pointless. So your trick or treating just sucked. Well, 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: we had to go other places. Did you have to 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: take a car to go other places? Yeah? Drive over 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: to a friend's house who lived in a big neighborhood 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: that I was so jealous of. That's a good friend 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: to have. I feel like we've had this conversation before. 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Probably we've had every conversation before by now. Yes, but 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: this is not about Halloween. This is about the origins 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: of lemonade, and also of the lemon itself. Yeah, so 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: I did not know this, Chuck. We have no idea 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: where the lemon came from none. We know that it 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: was a higher It's a hybrid of a sour orange 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: and a citron um, so we know that it was 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: crafted by human hands, but we have no idea who 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: did this, where they did it, and exactly when they 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 1: did it, which I find fascinating. I liked lemons before, 27 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: now I'm in love with them. Yeah, and I believe 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: didn't you talk about citrons in the Pompei episode. That's 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: what you were getting there, right, right, But I didn't 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: realize that they were citron's right, you were like those 31 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: weird big lemons that don't have any juice and are 32 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: all rind. Yeah the size of your head. Yeah, that's 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: about right. But uh, you know, everyone knows you can't 34 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: get a lot of Jews from a citron. So what 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: you need if you wanted to make lemonade was a 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: real lemon. And apparently they have traced at least the 37 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: precursor to lemonade, uh to medieval Egypt, where they made 38 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: something called cosh Cob not cash Cab the Great TV 39 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: Show or kush Kari the guy who handled the tart 40 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: bail out. Uh. Oh, that's rights kash Karai. Uh fermented 41 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: barley combined with mint, rude, black pepper, and citron leaf. 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: And I could see you actually trying to make a 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: cocktail out of this in ancient cocktail. Yeah, I had 44 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: to look up rue. It's like a very pretty meadow flower. 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it would taste like, but yeah, 46 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: they had me at fermented barley. Really there's some Yeah, 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: there's some extra vodka in there in your set. Like 48 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: I love fermented anything. I love it, man, I'm crazy 49 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: about kombucha. I love pickles, all of anything. If you 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: ferment anything, I will eat it. Throw an old shoe 51 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: in a vad of vinegar, He'll eat it in a month. 52 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: If if I go, I should say, when I eventually 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: go to Iceland, I will be trying that fermented shark 54 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: that's supposed to be like the nastiest thing in the world. 55 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: I will try it because I love fermented stuff. Yeah, no, thanks. Uh. 56 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: There's another thing that came out of Um Egypt I 57 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: think as well, called Katarmazat, and it's lemonade. There's really 58 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: no other way to put it. And it was made 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: in at least the tenth century, so again medieval times 60 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: in Egypt. Um. It was either created or sold or 61 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: consumed or all three of those by the Jewish community 62 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: in Cairo. Um, and they just basically added sugar and 63 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: lemon juice together to make katarmazat, which again is that's lemonade. 64 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: And I think earlier than that, honey was probably what 65 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: people used. But you know, lemon's are so tart you 66 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: need some sugary agent to cut that and make it 67 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: drinkable for sure. But we so we know that, um, 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: they made something from something like maybe citron or if 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: not lemon. The first reference to a lemon tree is 70 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: from the tenth century as well, in an Arabic book 71 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm Farming by a guy named Acustas al Roumi, and 72 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: he was the first to mention a lemon try. Ever, 73 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: so we know that they were around by then. They 74 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: may have been around for a few hundred years by 75 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: then from what I saw, I think northern India, and 76 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: then it was in Italy by two d This is lemons, 77 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: not lemonade. Yet. We haven't reached lemonade exactly yet. Yeah, 78 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: so if you want to talk about what we think 79 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: of modern lemonade, you need to go to seventeenth century Europe, 80 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: where in Paris. In fact, they even have a day 81 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: supposedly August. August sixty. Uh, it made its debut, which 82 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: was a sparkling version of sparkling water, lemon juice and honey. Yeah. Man, 83 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: have you ever added just sparkling water to lemonade? No? 84 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: But I drink those uh things that we used to 85 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: have here in the office that are so delicious surge. No, 86 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name. Jolt. It's the one where 87 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: you peel like the foiley paper off the top of 88 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: the can. First. Oh, Sam, pellegrina, Yeah, the pellegrino lemon. 89 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, drink many of them because they're like 90 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: super sugary and stuff so good, but they're so delicious. Yeah, 91 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: and like their blood orange, they're grapefruit. All of them 92 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: are so good. Yeah, you're right. They are pretty sugary though, 93 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: and if you read the back of the can, you're like, whoa, 94 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: it's like a coke. Yeah exactly. So that's you know, 95 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: I gotta avoid that stuff, but it's worth it though. 96 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: Once in a while, you got to treat yourself chuck. Yeah. 97 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: So these vendors in Paris would sell the stuff from 98 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: tanks on their back and it was wildly successful across 99 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: Europe because it is so refreshing, and apparently even in 100 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: sixteen seventy six it was so popular that the vendors 101 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: got together and formed a union, eliminate union called the 102 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: Campagnie de lemonardils nice work. And then eventually it hit 103 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: a bigger craze because of a man named Joseph Priestley, 104 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: probably related to Jason Priestley, I think clear. We've talked 105 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: about him in the nitrous oxide episode. Yeah, he invented 106 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: the thing that made carbonated water. I guess was that 107 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: before Mr Swept Yes, okay, no, maybe maybe contemporaneously. Yeah, 108 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: I think he was around the same time. He was 109 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: in the late eighteenth century, maybe mid eighteenth century. But yeah, 110 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: Schwebt came up with his thing in the seventeen eighties, right, 111 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: So that made it even more popular with this fizzy version. Uh. 112 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: And let's take a quick break and then we'll move 113 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:56,559 Speaker 1: across the pond to America right after this. Alright, dude, 114 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: so we've made it across to the United States, a journey. 115 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: By the eighteenth century, um lemonades all over America, and 116 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: again people are adding like sparkling water or soda to lemonade, 117 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: which I want to encourage it. It's so good, it's um. 118 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: And by about the time of the the late nineteenth 119 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: century lemonade it was pretty popular. People liked it um 120 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: and the Temperance movement actually clamped onto it and said, 121 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: this is a really good alternative to liquor. You want 122 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: some liquor, forget about it. Just drink some sparkling lemonade 123 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: and you'll you'll be as trash as you want. Yeah, 124 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: especially if you enjoy it in its best form, which 125 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: is to add liquor. All right. I think the Temperance 126 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: movement was like, don't do that. Yeah, it was. It 127 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: was apparently sun kissed even back then, which I didn't 128 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: know it was. Around back then they had a slogan 129 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: that said goodbye to liquor, his to lemonade. Yes, everyone went, 130 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: that's a lame substitute. They said, do we have to choose? 131 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: So there was actually a period in UM in the 132 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: nineteenth century eighteen seventy seven to eighteen eighty one where 133 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: if you were invited to a white house dinner or 134 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: function or something you were not going to be served liquor, 135 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: you would probably you probably get in big trouble because 136 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: Rutherford B. Hayes, he was the one who um who 137 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: signed that um that executive order to apparently to curry 138 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: favor with the the Prohibition party. UM. But his wife 139 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: was very well known as a teetotaler. She was a 140 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: big time into temperance movement. His wife Lucy Lucy Hayes, 141 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: and she was dubbed lemonade Lucy because UM, people, I 142 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: guess wanted to to poke fun at her for her 143 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: beliefs and that wasn't a very good job. And she 144 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: sighed and said, well, I guess it's better than liquor, Lucy. 145 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: They said, we hadn't thought about that. So I didn't 146 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: know that lemonade had a circus connection, did you. Nope, 147 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: I had no idea that this was a thing. But 148 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: apparently lemonade, and especially pink lemonade has a circus connection, uh, 149 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: and that it came from the or at least in 150 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy nine from West Virginia's Wheeling Register newspaper told 151 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: a story about how the circus turned lemonade pink. And 152 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: there are a couple of different many different versions, but 153 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: the two U two stories that stuck of how this happened. 154 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: One is sounds like it could be delicious, and one 155 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: is really gross. Yeah. So one is found in a 156 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: nineteen twelve obituary in the New York Times for a 157 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: guy named Henry E. Allett. And this would have happened 158 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: years and years before because he ran away as a 159 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: boy to join the circus. And this, this story is 160 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: that he was um. He accidentally dropped some red colored 161 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: cinnamon candies into a out of lemonade and just said, well, 162 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to throw this away, and he sold 163 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: it as pink lemonade and people loved it. I bet 164 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: that's good. That's what I'm thinking, is that? And what 165 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: are the little cinnamon candies that we ate when we 166 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: were kids. Cinnamon candies? You remember their name? They were 167 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: like right next to the lemonheads. Yeah, oh um, I remember, yeah, 168 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: red Hot. It's a good job. The other one I 169 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: remember is Alexander the Grape. The other I remember is 170 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: Boston Baked Beans, Yeah, which are not actually beans, they're nuts. 171 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: They're candy coated peanuts. Such a weird name. It is 172 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: like have you ever had Boston cottage cheese? It is 173 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: not that God, but this pink lemonade a bet with 174 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: a like a little hot cinnamon. I bet that's a 175 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: pretty delicious thing to drink. It could be sure like 176 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: today when you make pink lemonades usually like red food 177 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: coloring or something like that. But back in the day 178 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: after pink lemonade was created, Um, what's Dr Kellogg's name, 179 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: the guy from Battle Creek, Oh, I can't remember his 180 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: first name. Well, he um, he came up with a 181 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: recipe that uses like either grenadine or cranberry juice or 182 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: something like that to make it pink and just kind 183 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: of slightly alter the flavor. Right. The other origin story, though, 184 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: that is gross that I mentioned was from fifty seven, 185 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: and this is when a circus concession worker was in 186 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: a big hurry to make a batchel of lemonade, grabbed 187 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: the first water they could find, which apparently was a 188 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: washtub full of pink water from a performer's dirty pink tights. 189 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: And they used that and people enjoyed it. Well, I 190 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: don't think they knew what the source was of the 191 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: pink water. That's pretty gross, that is, but either way, 192 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: so we're gonna go with the other one. The Henry E. 193 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Allett went, Okay, yeah, the red hots agreed. Well that's 194 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: it for lemonade, right, Yeah, I got nothing else, unless actually, 195 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: should we mention the make lemons out of lemonade origin? 196 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good call man. Yeah. Apparently this was a 197 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: borrowed phrase by Elbert Hubbard in nineteen fift for an 198 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: obituary for a humorous named Marshall Pickney Wilder. And Wilder 199 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: was three and a half feet tall, and he was 200 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: a world famous, kind of household name comedian, and at 201 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: one point he didn't want people to be stigmatized, and 202 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: he said something like Fate handed me a lemon, but 203 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: I've made lemon ade of it, and that's the earliest 204 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: place that people can find that. Good for that guy. 205 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I got anhing else. It's a great origin story. 206 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: Well I don't either. If you want to get in 207 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: touch with me and Chuck, you can go to the 208 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know dot com. 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