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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows That. There's so much going

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Speaker 1: on in the news this week. We're going to start

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Speaker 1: off with a Morgue worker who was fired after leaking

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Speaker 1: information about Johnny Gudreau's death, the latest on the crash

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Speaker 1: at LaGuardia Airport, and another disturbing story involving a person

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Speaker 1: who died during a flight. Yesterday, a really unusual true

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Speaker 1: crime case went viral online involving a quadruple amputee cornhole

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Speaker 1: champion who has been accused of murder. We're just going

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Speaker 1: to talk about how that possibly happened, and one woman

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Speaker 1: who swore her vagina was burning after eating spicy food.

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Speaker 1: All that and more, and we will follow up with

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Speaker 1: your questions, comments, and emails. So let's talk about this

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Speaker 1: morg assistant because this is kind of something I'm really

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Speaker 1: familiar with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, a New Jersey Morgue worker has been fired

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Speaker 2: after he leaked details of Johnny and Matthew Gudrou's death

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Speaker 2: to his friends in a group chat.

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Speaker 1: What was he thinking? Well, I read the story in

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Speaker 1: a couple other articles and his defense was he he

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Speaker 1: was saying that he was sorry and remorseful and he

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Speaker 1: just was so shocked by the news. And clearly he

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Speaker 1: plays hockey as well, so that you know that guy,

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Speaker 1: he was very familiar with that particular sports player, and

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Speaker 1: just you know, it's in New Jersey. He's in New Jersey. Guy,

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Speaker 1: he's local, and he just got really like upset, slash,

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Speaker 1: you know, starstruck. This is what happens. And he decided

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Speaker 1: to share it in a group chat with him his friend,

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Speaker 1: like his hockey buddies.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I understand that, but there's a difference between which

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Speaker 2: this could this probably violates his job too. But there's

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Speaker 2: a difference between just texting your hockey friends and being like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, NHL superstar Johnny Gudrou's in my morgue

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Speaker 2: right now, versus sending a picture of his private notes

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Speaker 2: that included details such as birthdays, their home addresses, sensitive

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Speaker 2: crash details, information about the victims, and the responding trooper's

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Speaker 2: cell phone number.

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Speaker 1: So, in this world, sending a text that says Johnny

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Speaker 1: Gudreau is in my morgue is also fireworthy in mind,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But there's a difference between just being like somebody's here

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Speaker 2: versus sharing all those extra details as well.

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Speaker 1: Like when you when you work in this field, it's

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Speaker 1: like pounded in your head, pounded in your head that

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Speaker 1: this is like a major no no. And think about

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Speaker 1: a place like the LA Coroner's Office. They have almost

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Speaker 1: all of the celebrities go there. You know, people die

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Speaker 1: like Gene Hackman died in New Mexico. There's like randos

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Speaker 1: across the country, but they get the big concentration of them,

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Speaker 1: like the major stars Michael Jackson, you know, Natalie Wood,

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Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe, like like super huge stars that live in LA.

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Speaker 1: And you can't be having leaks out of the department

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Speaker 1: when it involves people that are super famous or anybody

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Speaker 1: like even because when you work at a morgue and

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Speaker 1: you live in the same city or the or a

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Speaker 1: neighboring city, there's a high probability that someone you know

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Speaker 1: is going to go there. And you're like, that is

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Speaker 1: tight lip. You're never supposed to tell anybody. And this

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Speaker 1: guy trusted sending this information in this group chat, and

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Speaker 1: then someone in the group chat posted it to X

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Speaker 1: and read it and then it's all over from there,

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Speaker 1: Like it's probably still there if we really looked for it.

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Speaker 2: Well exactly, And that's what I was gonna say, Like,

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Speaker 2: if you're gonna share, like if I found something out

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Speaker 2: like this, right that, I'm like, I probably shouldn't share.

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Speaker 2: But like the two people I trust most in this

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't even do it over text, you should like

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Speaker 2: call that so there's no traces.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I just wouldn't do that. I just

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Speaker 1: is is that on top of the Gudreau's personal information

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Speaker 1: being released, it's also they're the state trooper who went

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Speaker 1: to the scene his person. It seems like his personal

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Speaker 1: And this is kind of how it all unraveled. So

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Speaker 1: uphold his termination. So what I mean, I guess his

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Speaker 1: that he admitted to that, but like, I'm sorry, this

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Speaker 1: job's not cut out for you then, because this could

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Speaker 1: totally happen again, Like we drive through Gloucester County all

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Speaker 1: Like I really don't want our autopsy notes being spread

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Speaker 1: the public record that was released, which is this is

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Speaker 2: But not prematurely and it's like, well, what else is

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Speaker 2: he going home and telling people? Because it's not like

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Speaker 2: this is the only person that's everybody well I mean.

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Speaker 1: And it's not even just that. It's like you hear

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Speaker 1: And this is why it's so embedded in your head

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Speaker 1: because you go to the hospital, urgent care, psychiatrists, all

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Speaker 1: don't want to be let out. And this is for

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Speaker 1: not just for famous people, just like all people. Right,

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Speaker 1: you have hemorrhoids, you have herpes, whatever, it is, like

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Speaker 1: Like if you come home and you work in the

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Speaker 1: I like, that's okay. I mean, that's what I've done

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Speaker 1: specifically point to a person like that unless they're unless

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Speaker 1: of course it's part of the public record. Then that's

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Speaker 2: Well that's a different story. And like giving non specific

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Speaker 1: And the difference too is like in LA for example,

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Speaker 1: In New Jersey, however, like they don't release the autopsy

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Speaker 1: a little bit different with like dead people at the

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Speaker 1: morgue versus like HIPO violations at the hospital. But it's

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Speaker 1: still it's like I guarantee you that this guy has

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Speaker 1: just be like no, no, no pictures, no nothing, and

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Speaker 1: totally firable. But like his handwritten notes, like my handwritten

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Speaker 1: notes when I do an autopsy, are covered in blood

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Speaker 1: like his wife is pregnant, and like dealing with his

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Speaker 1: tragic death and their I mean, that was like a

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Speaker 2: Their home address is out there, so like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: understand people could look up addresses and stuff, but a

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Speaker 2: lot of time celebrities and athletes will go to great

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Speaker 2: and to fight back again, it's getting fired over doing

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, I guess maybe he thought if

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Speaker 1: He was a morg assistant, so don't I don't really

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Speaker 2: No, totally, And we're still going to keep up on

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Speaker 2: what's going on with the driver. He's not due back

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Speaker 2: and that's when they're gonna decide how they're going to

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Speaker 2: proceed with. Where were they talking about his like blood

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Speaker 2: So yesterday I woke up to this horrific news that

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Speaker 2: weird because it seems like what happened is that port

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Speaker 2: So they were driving through the runways, and as they

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Speaker 1: The back of the fire truck. Yeah. That was That's like, wow,

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Speaker 1: So this flight was longer than thirteen hours, and they

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Speaker 1: and accelerating it, those bacterias start putting off gases, and

436
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Speaker 1: that gas smells awful. And the most disturbing part of

437
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: it is that their family had to smell that, and

438
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Speaker 1: it's the smell is so it's so disturbing and so

439
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: unique to a decaying human body. It's just nothing anyone

440
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: should have to smell of a loved one like that.

441
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Speaker 2: Not only that, but when they did eventually land. So

442
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: now by the time they land, everybody on this plane

443
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: is already smelling this woman's decomposing body. They made them

444
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Speaker 2: sit on the plane in an additional forty five minutes

445
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Speaker 2: while the police came on and investigated it.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the airline's just like, this is protocol

447
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: and it is something that you have to understand that

448
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: just like like I talk about this every single time

449
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: we talk about a situation like this, about like the

450
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Speaker 1: guy that was sitting next to me and Andrea and

451
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: jerking off on the plane, Like it's just like like

452
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Speaker 1: sometimes you're gonna be in a shitty situation and you're

453
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Speaker 1: in this tube that like unless it's like an actual emergency,

454
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: they can't. It's not only your life, but it's like

455
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Speaker 1: every other one hundred people on the plane that you're

456
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Speaker 1: gonna dis including a whole entire schedule of everyone behind

457
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: you and other planes and this and that. And it's

458
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: just like if there's a person that's having an active

459
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: heart attack and they're able to revive the person and

460
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Speaker 1: like land and save their life, then that's understandable. But

461
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: like you're on a full flight and a guy's jerking

462
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: off next to you, Like it's not I mean, it sucks,

463
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: and that person sucks, but like I think it's not

464
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Speaker 1: an emergency, Like, it's just not I think.

465
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Speaker 2: We should be allowed to taser public.

466
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Speaker 1: Master me, especially if you're drapped with both. Oh that

467
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Speaker 1: guy was still gross. He was so gross. He smelled too, youw.

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Speaker 1: she sent us the story. She always sends us stories

493
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Speaker 1: like every single day, multiple times a day, and we're

494
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Speaker 1: always like, we have it on the list, and this

495
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: one I was like, oh, okay, we didn't have this

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Speaker 1: one on the list.

497
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Speaker 2: Listen to this headline. A quadruple amputee cornhole champion has

498
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Speaker 2: been accused of fatally shooting someone in his car.

499
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Speaker 1: Someone posted this on social media and was like, this

500
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Speaker 1: will be the first and last time you will ever

501
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Speaker 1: see these words written in a sentence.

502
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Speaker 2: I mean it. Listen the headline shocking, the situation shocking.

503
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, how are you ever gonna have this

504
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Speaker 2: inn a sentence again?

505
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Speaker 1: I totally agree. So the first time when I read it,

506
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Speaker 1: I guess visually I thought about another person that we're

507
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Speaker 1: going to be talking about in an episode later this week,

508
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: who is also a quadruple amputee, who's a I don't

509
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 1: know if she's like a TikTok or some kind of

510
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: social media Yeah, so that was what was in what

511
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: I was visualizing. And she literally like doesn't even have

512
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: stumps for her limbs. It's just like she's just like

513
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: all Tourso so that's what I was picturing, and I

514
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, how did this happen? But then

515
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: when I saw the video of this guy, because of course,

516
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: like you know, all of these awesome people on social

517
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: media came across a video of this particular guy shooting

518
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Speaker 1: a gun, so then you could really visualize how he

519
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: did it.

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00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like not to be insensitive, but I

521
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: think everybody's first question is like, when you're missing your

522
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: hands and your feet, like fingers, toes, anything like that,

523
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 2: how are you trigger?

524
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: How are you pulling a trigger?

525
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: Right? But this guy happened to have videos online of

526
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: him shooting handguns shotguns, so there's literally video proof of

527
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: him doing it. What ended up happening was he was

528
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: driving in his Tesla SUV with three other people. He

529
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: apparently got in this heated argument with the person in

530
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Speaker 2: the front passenger seat, shot that person until they shot

531
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Speaker 2: that person, killed him, and then asked the other two

532
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: people in the back seat helped me dispose his body?

533
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, I don't think so they ran

534
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 2: out of the car. Went right, the police told them

535
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: what happened. This guy dumped the body in somebody's yard.

536
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: This happened in Maryland. He went to Virginia. They found

537
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: his car at a gas station. He wasn't with the car.

538
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: They later found him at a local hospital where he

539
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: said he was getting treated for some other medical issue,

540
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: and then they arrested him for basically being a fugitive.

541
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Speaker 1: If this guy didn't have a documented history of being

542
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Speaker 1: a cornhole champion and also shooting an actual gone on video,

543
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: like he probably could even though there were witnesses. He

544
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: could have been like, look at me, I don't have

545
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: hands or feet, how could I possibly shoot a gun?

546
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Speaker 1: And really, like I think any person looking at him

547
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Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, it's like the best defense ever, Like,

548
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Speaker 1: oh I don't have hands, Like how did I shoot

549
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Speaker 1: a gun?

550
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Speaker 2: And like obviously what I'm about to say, I'm not

551
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Speaker 2: glorifying he's actions whatsoever, but like I do you do

552
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Speaker 2: have to like sit back and look at a person

553
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Speaker 2: like this that has a challenge like this because.

554
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Speaker 1: He became a quadruple amputee when he from a.

555
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Speaker 2: Bacterial infection he got at ten months old, so he's

556
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Speaker 2: lived his whole life like this, and you're kind of

557
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Speaker 2: like sitting back being like it's miraculous how people can

558
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: adjust to life and do things so much differently than

559
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: the rest of us. But obviously you don't want to

560
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Speaker 2: train yourself to kill somebody and fire a gun.

561
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it is it is really unbelievable.

562
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Speaker 2: I mean.

563
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Speaker 1: And the other story of the influencer we're going to

564
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Speaker 1: talk about later in the week. She does like makeup

565
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: videos and stuff and like so impressive. Yeah, like you

566
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Speaker 1: just watch it in your and it's kind of the same.

567
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Speaker 1: I mean, like she was born with that condition and

568
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Speaker 1: this this guy got it when he was ten months old,

569
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Speaker 1: and that's before you're usually even walking, so like it's

570
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Speaker 1: kind of been his whole life too, you know, not

571
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Speaker 1: having hands or feet, And he's got a little bit

572
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Speaker 1: more of an advantage because he has a little bit

573
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Speaker 1: of his upper and lower limbs, not completely, but like

574
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Speaker 1: he has above the knee and above the elbow amputations,

575
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Speaker 1: but it's not like at the shoulder and at the pelvis,

576
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Speaker 1: so he's got room to work with to get around,

577
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Speaker 1: which would make your life significantly easier. So, I mean,

578
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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what happened to him when he

579
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Speaker 1: was a baby, but unfortunately that can be a complication

580
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Speaker 1: of sepsis, and babies can get like urinary track infections, meningitis, pneumonia,

581
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Speaker 1: so that I mean, there's just certain childhood illnesses that

582
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Speaker 1: kids can get. And once you get sepsis, you know,

583
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: it really messes with your circulatory system and the blood

584
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Speaker 1: is trying to stay around your heart and brain to

585
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Speaker 1: keep you alive, and it just at you know it

586
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Speaker 1: kind of your limbs are expendable at that point because

587
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Speaker 1: you don't need them to survive, and you know you

588
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: could have clotting disorders and stuff like that with stepsis too.

589
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: So you see that from time to time when a

590
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Speaker 1: person gets an infection they have to get they get

591
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Speaker 1: gangarine essentially on their hands and feet and have to

592
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Speaker 1: get amputated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so it's like when you look back

594
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: at this guy's life, you're like, despite this hardship he

595
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: had faced as a baby, like he really went on

596
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: to do great things and perform with his body, and

597
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Speaker 2: like he was so.

598
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Speaker 1: Good at cornhole.

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Speaker 2: Being named a cornhole I feel like Sayings was a

600
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: cornhole champion is so ridiculous in it of itself, But

601
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Speaker 2: he apparently is so good at the sport that ESPN

602
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: did a feature piece on him only a couple of

603
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Speaker 2: years ago, right, so like he's been highlighted in this

604
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: sports world, so to speak. But then you see this

605
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: incident happens where he kills somebody, and then he's smiling

606
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: in his mugshot, which I just always have to point

607
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Speaker 2: out because that's very distressed to me.

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Speaker 1: We have another kid. Is that going to be on

609
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Speaker 1: the next episode too with the Airbnb?

610
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

611
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Speaker 1: Or on Thursday later this week. Yeah, that's another smiling mugshot.

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Speaker 1: It's it is very bizarre. I almost feel there's like

613
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Speaker 1: a level of like sociopath to you that because even

614
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Speaker 1: if you got arrested for something like the Airbnb chick

615
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Speaker 1: for example, I talked about it yesterday on Monday's Morbid Minute,

616
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Speaker 1: that she was, you know, like urinating and on things

617
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Speaker 1: that at airbnbs and posting it on like an OnlyFans

618
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Speaker 1: type of website. Like she got like a five thousand dollars. Fine,

619
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Speaker 1: it's like nothing. She probably made that in two minutes

620
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: on Only Fans if she was actually making content, So

621
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Speaker 1: like it's it's funny and it's nothing, but just like,

622
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't you just be scared that your picture was going

623
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Speaker 1: to circulate online for that and have like if you

624
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Speaker 1: don't have that internal like you're scared and you like

625
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Speaker 1: care about what other people perceive about you, is like.

626
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like you have a chip missing,

627
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: because like even in that case, it's like such a

628
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: ridiculous thing to be arrested for. Like I'm a little

629
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Speaker 2: more forgiving of the smiling in the mugshot even though

630
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: it's still weird, but like this person allegedly took somebody's life, So.

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Speaker 1: No, this smiling in the mugshot is weird with that,

632
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Speaker 1: Like if you're if you're like a dad who killed

633
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: some guy that was like sexually assaulting your daughter, I

634
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: would be like that's the most appropriate time to be

635
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: like I'm smiling in my mugshot, like I just did

636
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: the World of service kind of a thing. Yeah, Like

637
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: just like you're a young woman, you have this your

638
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: career is on only fans peeing on people's couches at airbnbs,

639
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: Like you might want to get another job in the future,

640
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: do you want that circulating about you on the internet?

641
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: Like that might not last forever, even if you're making

642
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: a ton of money now, Like you're very young, you

643
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: might need to have another career choice.

644
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, if anything, it might have helped her

645
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: OnlyFans career because people seeking that type of content might

646
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: not have been aware of her page. And now she's

647
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Speaker 2: getting more well.

648
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Speaker 1: That's probably why she's smiling. She's smiling all the way

649
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: to the bank. But but like, like that that might

650
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Speaker 1: not be a long term thing. Like the guy just died.

651
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Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about that. The guy that's one

652
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: of the guys that started Only Fans or something, he

653
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: just died like a young guy. Oh yeah, that's I'm sure,

654
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: like that's not going to affect anything. But still like

655
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: like good for you that you're making a lot of

656
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: money now, but like there has to be that. You know,

657
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: everything changes and evolves, and like everybody's on it now

658
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: because they're making money, but it's things change over time.

659
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: You know.

660
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: There's a really weird thing happening the last couple of

661
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: years where a lot of young like in their thirties

662
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: and forties, tech startup founders or young billionaires or getting

663
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: murdered or dying. I don't know how the Only Fans

664
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: guy died yet, I don't think they released it. But

665
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: like just in the last couple of years, I've noticed

666
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: that a lot of these young tech billionaires have been

667
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: dying in either weird ways or being brutally murdered. And

668
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 2: it's something not a lot of people are talking about,

669
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 2: and I find it really fascinating.

670
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: This guy, I feel like I just briefly read it,

671
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: and I feel like I remember him being like very young,

672
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: like in his forties or fifties. But I feel like

673
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: it was natural, and it wasn't. It wasn't like, yeah

674
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: on the side. So I don't know if he had

675
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: like an underlying, you know, medical condition or whatever, but yeah.

676
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what's going on in his case,

677
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: but it's just certainly a trend I've noticed recently. Okay,

678
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: let's talk about this woman who claimed that every time

679
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: she eats spicy food, it burned her vagina.

680
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so she went obviously, she went to the doctor

681
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: and was like, I'm not making this up, and they

682
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: would They kept giving her exam. She had a pelvic

683
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: examine stuff, and they were just like, everything looks fine.

684
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: They couldn't figure it out. And then they did additional

685
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: testing and they figured out that she had something called

686
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: a recto vaginal fistula. So do you know what that is? No,

687
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: not even kind of. So your your rectum and your

688
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: vagina are like right next to each other, right, yes,

689
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: which is why sometimes when you get your period you

690
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: get that like butt whole pain we talk about because

691
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: they're like right next the whole pain it is, but

692
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: they're like right next to each other, so they you know,

693
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: they work together, but they're not connected, correct, because like

694
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: if they were connected, when you got your period, you

695
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: would bleed out of your your butt and if you

696
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: you know, had to poop, it would come out of

697
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: your vagina. So normally, which sounds disturbing, but it happens.

698
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: So normally, when a person has a recto vaginal fistula,

699
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: you could you could really see the hole in the

700
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: vagina and usually they go in with symptoms of like

701
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: poop is coming out of their vagina. It sounds disgusting,

702
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: but like that that's what happens, and it most commonly

703
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: occur if you had a history of surgery or pelvic surgery,

704
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: which you have so watch out for that. Now I'm

705
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: just joking, like thanks or childbirth. What you're about to do?

706
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: So you're just bubbletanning and you know if you have

707
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: a condition like crone disease or something, because ficiales occur

708
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: in Crone's disease. Usually it's like these. It's it's a

709
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: tunnel that connects the two organs. So from when you

710
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: have the chronic inflammation of something like crone disease, it

711
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: could tunnel through. It usually goes to like another piece

712
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: of bowel, but it can go through the vagina sometimes too.

713
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: So in this case, she had a history of a

714
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: couple of pelvic surgeries, but this is the first time

715
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: that this particular thing that has ever been described. Instead

716
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: of her poop going through and going into her vagina,

717
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 1: it was getting stuck because she had like fecal rock,

718
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: like hard hard poop that are called FeCO lifts that

719
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: turned into stone. It's like a it's like a piece

720
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: of poop that just sits there for a long time

721
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: and eventually turns to a stone basically, And those FeCO

722
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: liths were getting lodged in that hole, so it was

723
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: preventing the poop from flowing in to her vagina. But

724
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: there was enough of the cap station from the spicy

725
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: food she was eating that like seep through that hole

726
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: and was causing her vagina to burn when she was

727
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: eating spicy food. Wow, it's so it's so rare, but

728
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: it's it's like, I mean, from my perspective, I think

729
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: it's like the coolest thing ever, because you know, what's

730
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: cool for me is not cool for other people. But

731
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: it's just like what did she describe it as? She said,

732
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: it was like chili water? Chili water like but but

733
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: you know, like you cut hot peppers and stuff and

734
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: then you touch you like pick your nose or you

735
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: put your hair in your mouth or something right, and

736
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: you know what that feeling is. You're not making it

737
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: up like it burns like you could you could see

738
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: how that would happen.

739
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 2: I understand because of last summer. That day, I cut

740
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: long hots and I've literally never had my hands burned

741
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: from something so bad. It was like the weirdest feeling ever.

742
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 2: I can't imagine experiencing that in my vagina.

743
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes if you ever really spicy food

744
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: and you poop like it could burn it burns your butt,

745
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: like you you know what I mean, Like it's possible,

746
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: so but you would also know if it was specific

747
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: to your vagina. And like of course she's a woman,

748
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: So she kept going to the doctor and they're like, no,

749
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: that's not happening. And then they were like, oh, this

750
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: is this rare case of this actually happening.

751
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, like how many people totally blew her off before

752
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: being like oh shit, she actually this is really rare And.

753
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: Of course that's that's pretty standard.

754
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: Really. Well, while we're on that subject, I actually had

755
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: an interview come out with Getty Schwartz that I did

756
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: for NBC News a couple of months ago, so you

757
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: guys could check that out. We talk all about IVF

758
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: and then May program guy a family that helped me

759
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: secure a loan to fun Mad we have.

760
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: We have the link posted in my story Maria's story

761
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: mother Knows Death story, So like, if you guys check

762
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: that out tonight, you'll be able to see the interview.

763
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was really nervous about that. I was gonna

764
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: come off of it, and it came out good, and

765
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: it was like kind of Kisma came out today because

766
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: today is exactly one year ago today I had my

767
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: endometriosis surgery. So I'm actually excited because it was supposed

768
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: to come out in December and then I got pushed

769
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: it out but I actually feel like timing wise, it

770
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: was better. Now.

771
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: I actually recalled you having like a meltdown and being like,

772
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: shut up, you're gonna you'll have a baby by next summer.

773
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: It's not that big of a deal, and like, look,

774
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: I know, but you know it's I know at the time,

775
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: you're just like at the time, it was like I

776
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: knew I was going in getting.

777
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: One fallopian tube removed, and then they prepared me it

778
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: might have to be both, but like you know, I

779
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: was in denial. So like when I woke up and

780
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: they were like, no, we had to take both, I

781
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, this is awesome because now I have

782
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: like an extra hardship for no reason.

783
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, I.

784
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: Mean, it is what it is. It was my case.

785
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: But because it's end of metriosis Awareness Month and everything,

786
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: I think the message you should learn from listening to

787
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: this show is that people get blown off all the time,

788
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: and if you really think you have a problem, make

789
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: sure you're speaking up for yourself.

790
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: Maria got blown off. I swear she went to the

791
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: guynecologist like it had to be for ten years straight,

792
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: like just ten years, just like I have this terrible pain, pain, pain,

793
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: and then it's like they didn't ultra they didn't yeah,

794
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: periods her and then they did an ultrasound and said

795
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: you had a corpus ludium cyst And I'm just like

796
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: that's I mean, like they can be painful when you know,

797
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: especially if they get big and if they rupture, but

798
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: like that it wasn't even that big, that wasn't causing it.

799
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: Which I had to force them to give me that ultrasound,

800
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: by the way, it's not like they offered it.

801
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. But like so then it's like fast forward. You

802
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: actually start getting more invasive tests done and they're like

803
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: like like your your doctor, I have pictures from your laparoscopy,

804
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: like your organs were all stuck together and and like

805
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: she had to dissect your uridors from your kidneys, like

806
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: off of your other pelvic organs. Like how how do

807
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: we go from like oh, you have nothing to like

808
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: you have this thing that you're basically so scarred up.

809
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: We have to like scoop out your insides.

810
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing, like I understand endimytriosis is

811
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: so difficult to diagnose and everything, So like I am

812
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: forgiving in that aspect, But if you have a patient

813
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: coming in for a full decade, being like, my period's

814
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: hurt so bad that every single month, I feel like

815
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: I have to go to the hospital. They're just like

816
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: periods hurt. I just think it's so it's so absolutely ridiculous.

817
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: I just can't believe it. And then I remember going

818
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: to the follow up with my surgeon when she's going

819
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: over all of this with me, and she's like, I

820
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: can't believe you were living like this, and I'm like, well,

821
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: I can't believe it either, But it's not like I

822
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: wasn't trying to take care of it, right, So ridiculous.

823
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: That kind of happens to one of our like our

824
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: good friends too. She had a similar situation. And I

825
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: used to think that all the time because you ever

826
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: go you ever like go to a place and you

827
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: don't have a tampon and then you have to get one,

828
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: like from someone or in the bathroom, and it's like

829
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: one of those ones that's like the size of a pencil. Yeah,

830
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: and you're like and you're just like, you're just like,

831
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: there's actually people that could use this when they have

832
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: their period. I need to put like four of them

833
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: together and stick them up at the same time, like

834
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't need well when I was in the heat

835
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: of the period situation, but I'm I always used to

836
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: be like is it is it normal? Like you know,

837
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: they tell you it's normal, and you're like, you're normal.

838
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: I wear one of these like dildo sized tampons and

839
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: it's like pouring out, Like I can't even go out.

840
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: Because Mom had the same problem. She used to have

841
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: to sit on those like Chucks that you know, those

842
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: like blue plastic things that have the cotton over them

843
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: that you use at the hospital. Yeah, she used to

844
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: have to put them in her car because like she

845
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: was scared she was gonna bleed through on her the

846
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: seat of her car, Like, oh, that's not normal. And

847
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: she had endemetriosis too, she had it in the uterine wall.

848
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: But like again she was blown off for such a

849
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: long time, and it's like like nobody that to me.

850
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: Like if you go to any guyn of collogist and

851
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: tell them that, they should be like that's not normal.

852
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like every time I had my period, I

853
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: had to sleep on a towel the whole week.

854
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not I don't want if it's not normal,

855
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: because there's like there's only so many products you could use. Well,

856
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: now they make those underwear that have like I've never

857
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: used them, the ones that have the like pad in them.

858
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: I feel like that could be like in addition to

859
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: a pad and a tampon too, that might help a little.

860
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm even like now thinking about you know, the

861
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: postpartum bleeding, Like you know they give you those giant

862
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: pads and those disposable underwear, I'm like, I might just

863
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: go full blown adult diaper, Like who cares if they

864
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Speaker 2: say it's fine, like and it's easier than whatever. I

865
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Speaker 2: think they make them specifically for a postpartum.

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Speaker 1: Now, oh my god.

867
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Speaker 2: But yeah, so check that interview out. It was really

868
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Speaker 2: fun to do. And if you guys ever have questions

869
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Speaker 2: about IVF F endometriosis, definitely you could always email us

870
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Speaker 2: about that too. All right, onto your questions and emails.

871
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Speaker 2: If you have stories or questions for us, please submit

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Speaker 2: them to stories at motherosdeth dot com. We kindly ask

873
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: that you keep them brief because some of the submissions

874
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: we get are basically novels and I can't read that well,

875
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: so that's not gonna work for anyone. All right, First,

876
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: from Carrie recently, I was listening to the comments about

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Speaker 2: delaying deliveries to keep C section numbers low, which was

878
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: related to the story where that doctor was trying to

879
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Speaker 2: make his numbers look good with transplants. It made me

880
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Speaker 2: think of this story about deliveries my mom told me

881
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Speaker 2: about when she worked as an LPN at a hospital.

882
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Speaker 2: My mom worked in labor and delivery and they had

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Speaker 2: this one doctor who was a total ask to everyone

884
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Speaker 2: and he would always try to do things like he wanted,

885
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Speaker 2: even when anyone else would tell him otherwise. He also

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Speaker 2: didn't like to have to do sea sections if he

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Speaker 2: felt he didn't have to. One day, he was doing

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Speaker 2: a delivery back when forceps were still used with deliveries,

889
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Speaker 2: and he was held bent on delivering the baby vaginally.

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Speaker 2: The hospital rule at the time was if three tries

891
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Speaker 2: with the forceps, if the baby couldn't be delivered vaginally,

892
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Speaker 2: you had to do a sea section. This baby was

893
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Speaker 2: not going to be delivered vaginally. However, this doctor just

894
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Speaker 2: kept going with trying to deliver with the forceps and

895
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Speaker 2: actually damage the baby's skull in the process. My mom

896
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: said that the doctor had a serious God complex attitude,

897
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: and it really was his way or the highway anyway,

898
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: the comments reminded me of that story and how it

899
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Speaker 2: affected the staff they had to fill out statements about

900
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: the incident after they were all pretty horrified.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's unfortunate. I mean, most doctors

902
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: are really great, but I mean it's just the same

903
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: thing where we're talking about with like the air traffic control,

904
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter. And you guys know this from

905
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: the show. It doesn't matter how educated you are. I mean,

906
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: like that the the Tepe murders, the husband that the

907
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: ex husband that killed them was a surgeon, right, it

908
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And we have so many stories like we

909
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: just had we had one on Monday's Morbid Minute about

910
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: a cosmetic surgeon that sexually assaulted a woman during a

911
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: procedure while she was on medication. Right, So it's like

912
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: you just just because you're a doctor doesn't mean that

913
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Speaker 1: you're not human and you're and that happens to sometimes.

914
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Speaker 1: I like people that have the lowest jobs versus the

915
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: highest job still get that kind of a complex where

916
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Speaker 1: they think that they know everything and they make terrible mistakes.

917
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Speaker 1: It's just like, unfortunately with doctors, you have to leave

918
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Speaker 1: the hospital with a baby that has like a permanent

919
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Speaker 1: skull deformity because you were doing that, and that's you know,

920
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Speaker 1: the effects of their actions could really could ruin a

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Speaker 1: person's life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and to think that they don't care, Like,

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Speaker 2: your entire job is patient.

924
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Speaker 1: Care, So why don't you care about the patient?

925
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Speaker 2: It's so weird.

926
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Speaker 1: It's just a disconnect. People get all right.

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Speaker 2: Next is from Chrissy. At the hospital where I work,

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Speaker 2: we have a few protocols in place to protect our patients.

929
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Speaker 2: If a patient is a victim of violence, that are

930
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Speaker 2: limited to four visitors and are typically placed in a

931
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Speaker 2: unit that could be locked down. Additionally, a patient can

932
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Speaker 2: request do not publish status. This ensures that staff are

933
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Speaker 2: where the patient does not want visitors. If someone calls

934
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Speaker 2: to inquire about a patient with that status, staff will

935
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Speaker 2: inform the caller that we do not have a patient

936
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Speaker 2: by that name. This is in reference to me. I

937
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: like that had last week about that woman who gave

938
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Speaker 2: birth and her husband shot her right after, and they

939
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Speaker 2: had apparently been in like a domestic violence situation.

940
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean the thing is in that particular case,

941
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Speaker 1: I know that they were having marital problems but I

942
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Speaker 1: don't know if there was any actual documented abuse or

943
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Speaker 1: anything to that point, so there might not be a

944
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Speaker 1: history of violence there. But certainly she could have said,

945
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Speaker 1: like like this listener is saying, she could have said,

946
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Speaker 1: I don't want to have any visitors, and I don't

947
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Speaker 1: want because it is true. Like if you call if

948
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Speaker 1: I let's say, like you're in the hospital. If I

949
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Speaker 1: call and say, hi, uh is what floor is Maria

950
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Speaker 1: qualityiung because I want to send her or Maria Kane.

951
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm like saying, your your your maiden name, Maria Kane's

952
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: on I want to send her flowers because she had

953
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: a baby. Like they'll give you that information, like you

954
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: could find out if somebody's in the hospital like that,

955
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, which I always thought was kind of weird

956
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: because it gives away. But I guess you could say

957
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: you could put that out and say, like I don't

958
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: when people call for me, like I don't want them

959
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: to know that I'm here.

960
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: Maybe you'll take that what Uh Yeah, I don't know.

961
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: I definitely like that you could put a system in place.

962
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like people in general, like giving

963
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: birth or not, they just hear somebody's in the hospital.

964
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: And they go and it's like why are you here?

965
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: You know, there's just always that one person that shows

966
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: up that you're like, this is inappropriate that you're here

967
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: right now, like wait till I get home.

968
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Speaker 1: I just I don't think anytime I had you guys,

969
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: that I had anybody that wasn't I mean the second

970
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: time when I like almost died, I guess that was

971
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: like not having visitors. But like you're just you're in

972
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: the hospital, especially if you don't have a c section,

973
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: you're in the hospital for like a day. I just

974
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: don't remember like any non fam Like of course mom,

975
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: mom would pop up and you guys are there, but

976
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: like I don't remember any non family ever coming to

977
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: see me. Well, actually that's not true because when I

978
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: were both of the times that I gave birth in

979
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: two different hospitals within the same system, I worked at

980
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: those hospitals, So like my coworkers would come up and

981
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: say hi, but like that was just different. They were

982
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: already there. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, all right.

983
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Speaker 2: Last question, how do I get my book signed if

984
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Speaker 2: I'm not able to attend an event in person? So

985
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Speaker 2: we sell signed book plates that you can get personalized

986
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: on the doormattershop dot com. That link is always on

987
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: our website, the grocerroom dot com, or it's in the

988
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: description of every episode. So you can get one of

989
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: three options. You could get just a signature, you could

990
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: get the your signature phrase more to IVVOS docent with

991
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: the signature, or you could get it to somebody's name

992
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: with a personalized message. That's reasonable that we have to

993
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: approve before we sign it, and I think it's important.

994
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: It's important to say though that we've never not approved something.

995
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: But there's been weird ones. There's been there's been weird ones.

996
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: But as long as like sometimes I'm kind of like,

997
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: what does this mean? Clearly it's an inside joke. As

998
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: long as it's not like super offensive or whatever, threatening

999
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: or are threatening or just whatever, then I'll do it

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: We have our event coming up in just two and

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Speaker 2: And Joe is going to be on our show tomorrow

1006
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Speaker 2: for a very exciting conversation.

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Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's he's both of those guys are the best.

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00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: I love them. And yeah, Scott's like such a nice guy.

1009
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna have him on coming up shortly too, So

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00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: we like we want if you guys aren't familiar with them,

1011
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1013
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: They explain things and it's good because like Scott's got

1014
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: the FBI perspective and Joe's got I mean, like he

1015
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: was like a legit sergeant at a huge police department,

1016
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: the NYPD, So like he has a lot to say

1017
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Speaker 1: about cases we've been talking about on this show, which

1018
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: is what it was very good, Like we had I

1019
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: thought we had pretty good questions and he was able

1020
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Speaker 1: to clear a lot of stuff up for us.

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Speaker 2: No, he cleared a lot up and we always have

1022
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Speaker 2: a good time with him. He's a funny guy, laid

1023
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: back and chill, which is always Yeah, he's funny. If

1024
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1027
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1028
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