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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories. Dundun.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up NSFU podcast. I'm Kara

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<v Speaker 1>Klank and I'm Liza Traeger and we're coming to you

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<v Speaker 1>live still from a Cleveland, Ohio hotel room. The illusion

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<v Speaker 1>is gone, the fourth wall is crumbled, and I do

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<v Speaker 1>have to apologize ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I fucked up the audio for this. I was ripping

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<v Speaker 2>the card out Lucy Goosey no lube did not take

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<v Speaker 2>care of the zoom recorders. So audio will sound bad,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's okay because it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, she just won't sound as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris perfect as I sound, I guess coming.

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<v Speaker 2>From my garage. Crispy Cracker, Crispy Cracker. Okay, I have

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<v Speaker 2>something to say. So, so I went with my sister

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<v Speaker 2>and her husband to a place I've passed a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>and it said Relax Center and it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a photo like a picture of the refluck flexology feet

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<v Speaker 2>and like it's a massage place. And they're like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the best massages. You keep your clothes on. It was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best experiences of my life. If you

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<v Speaker 2>are a skokey person and you need information or scoop,

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<v Speaker 2>you can DM me and I will, I will, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what's up. But man, did it relax? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I was drooling.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the most slown massage.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's mostly like a foot thing, right, So first

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<v Speaker 2>you lay on your back and your feet go in

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<v Speaker 2>a tub of like warm water, and then he works

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<v Speaker 2>your head, arms, shoulder, vibes. Then it's legs, and then

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<v Speaker 2>each foot truly gets so much time. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>was stoned out of my mind. But at one point

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<v Speaker 2>I was like so sad that it was ending, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I remembered I had another leg and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>thank God, and so then so then he did the

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<v Speaker 2>other leg and then filipped. Then you get to flip

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<v Speaker 2>over and then it's like regular backstuff, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I was transported. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a good massage. I never get them enough,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do love them.

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<v Speaker 2>And my sister, well, they're regulars. They love it. I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why. I've never even it's by the

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<v Speaker 2>Lover's Lane, and so to me, that's the Lover's Lane plaza.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really think about it. And so then to

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<v Speaker 2>have this kind of gem there is incredible, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Well this segues perfectly. Maybe when we're

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago. Actually, as of this episode coming out, we

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<v Speaker 1>will have just been in Chicago. But tonight we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in Minneapolis, and we're gonna there Casey.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna see Casey, our producer, producer Casey live and

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<v Speaker 1>in person and probably on stage. Come on down, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>come to the show. Oh my god, we should totally

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<v Speaker 1>play a game. We should do a game. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Where you have to pick between us fun questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, oh, like the one on TikTok where they go

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<v Speaker 1>who does this?

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<v Speaker 3>Who does that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, you yeah, you have to play. You're the

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<v Speaker 1>contestant we made We're.

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<v Speaker 4>Gonna make it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're gonna We're gonna do this all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee is tomorrow. Well, Milwaukee, we've never come to you.

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<v Speaker 1>We've always gone to Madison, but this time we decided

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<v Speaker 1>to come to you and Madison, so come to us

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow night and then Thursday or what. I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what day of the week it will be,

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<v Speaker 1>but the ninth will be in Saint Louis, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Sacramento on December thirteenth. New York on the sixteenth, with

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<v Speaker 1>a second late show added.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even a late show. It's at nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Come go get dinner and then come to our nine

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock show, and then Philly on the seventeenth, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Wet Comedy Festival in Seattle on January seventh, but Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>will be there also doing stand up on the sixth.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, January six January sixth, baby, I did have.

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<v Speaker 2>Something to say about Lovers Lane. So I had a

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<v Speaker 2>friend who did get She works there and she got

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<v Speaker 2>a concussion because a box of Dildo's did fall on

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<v Speaker 2>her head. What and then she got a second concussion

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<v Speaker 2>that week too. It was pretty wild.

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<v Speaker 1>That is some fucking sitcom shit. Are you talking a

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<v Speaker 1>box at Dildo's falling on your head?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the funniest heavy was her nameplate said anal specialist,

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<v Speaker 2>which I love.

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<v Speaker 3>Love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Jared just got rid of all these fucking books

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<v Speaker 1>in my house. I've been asking him to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of for ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I feel like when I met you, guys, you

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<v Speaker 2>were you were making him get rid of books. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a constant battles, you just trying to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because it's like, you know how you like little

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<v Speaker 1>Chochkey's and just like memorabilia and stuff like that. For him,

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<v Speaker 1>that's books like our house would be flooded for Florida's ceiling.

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<v Speaker 2>Books if I wasn't like get rid of these.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get that there's some books you want to

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<v Speaker 1>keep forever, but it's like most of them, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>once you've read it, I don't think you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>revisit this book about life in the Renaissance again, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So are there some that have always that have lasted

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the years that are just the name stays. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually has like these wild books that are like

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<v Speaker 1>really big that are like the Big Book of serial Killers,

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Book of Monsters, the Big Book of the

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<v Speaker 1>like they're like more like reference books like encyclopedias for

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<v Speaker 1>creepy shit that he's into. But honestly, and then like

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<v Speaker 1>I keep some we have like some Shakespeare and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that I figure.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe my kids will have to read one day or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Like.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some classics, but like my book collection has

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<v Speaker 1>gotten so small and his is just like constantly growing.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be tamped down. It's hard being married

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<v Speaker 1>to a nerd. Everybody difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I guess it's like books and games is

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<v Speaker 2>a little better than like full blown action figures. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that would drive you crazy. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He has like he doesn't have that stuff, Like all

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<v Speaker 1>his dice and shit stays out in the garage. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is I was actually watching yesterday before I left

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<v Speaker 1>for the airport.

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<v Speaker 3>He was watching a horror movie.

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<v Speaker 1>He was watching Halloween four, and I was like, the

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<v Speaker 1>acting was so bad, and I was like, are there

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<v Speaker 1>horror movies with good acting? Like this is so bad?

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, I don't know if there's slasher

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<v Speaker 1>movies with good acting, but there are definitely, And then

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, obviously Hereditary, I know our Queen Tony Collette.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there are some, but like, what's a horror

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<v Speaker 1>movie that you think of that has he goes maybe scream,

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<v Speaker 1>I go, I mean, I guess that's good act but

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<v Speaker 1>that's such a comedy that's like a comedy to me, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I have some I would say get Out, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, scary and good acting. I would say it

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<v Speaker 2>follows is like it's really creepy and scary and good acting.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you really I that movie. I've only actually seen

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<v Speaker 2>once and I really am scared to ever see it again.

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<v Speaker 2>And it came up I think it's on one of

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<v Speaker 2>the streamers, so the previews started playing, and just that shivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the one where like you get a demon

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<v Speaker 1>or something and then you have to give it to

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<v Speaker 1>someone else. Yeah, but it's through.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like if you have sex and then this

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<v Speaker 2>like thing follows and you can't get rid of it

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<v Speaker 2>until you have sex with someone else and then it

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<v Speaker 2>follows them. But then I shouldn't remember more because I

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<v Speaker 2>was so scared.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's nodding, He's like, that's the gist.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to think of others. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>good acting, but I love The Human Centipede.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Like I can't even finish the trailer for The

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<v Speaker 1>Human Centipede.

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<v Speaker 3>It horrifies me. Like, but I do think, like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, or Eleton Key the Ring maybe blair Witch.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, blair Witch, you know, not famously. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>blair Witch was real, so that is good acting. My

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<v Speaker 2>brother in law actually took me to that and he

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<v Speaker 2>was horrified. And we also went to one where it

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<v Speaker 2>was like the Ten Commandments were happening to people and

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<v Speaker 2>he really would get scared. It's pretty funny. What other

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<v Speaker 2>I it's just a classic.

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<v Speaker 1>One week after Halloween horror movie review, hear it that's

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<v Speaker 1>messed up?

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<v Speaker 3>Were nothing if not timely.

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<v Speaker 2>Because now I love a challenge, I love a list.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this. Yeah, you know that's why when I

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess that's more of a yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>More of like a thriller, like thrillers to me, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the acting like has to be good. But like when

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<v Speaker 1>I watch these like these like old seventies and eighties

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<v Speaker 1>like horror movies that my husband's watching all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this acting is so bad that I almost

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<v Speaker 1>don't care if these people die. I know that sounds bad,

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<v Speaker 1>but like tell their actors. It makes me feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's fake, you know, if it's like if it's like

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<v Speaker 1>Hereditary or some movie like that, like were like the

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<v Speaker 1>people everything seemed so real that the science, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>Sixth Sense was oh yeah, yeah, oh man, remember seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the Sixth Sense before you knew anything about like the

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<v Speaker 1>twist that was a.

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<v Speaker 4>That was well.

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<v Speaker 2>Rosie O'Donnell famously ruined it for everybody for that. In

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<v Speaker 2>Fight Club, she straight up was like on her show

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<v Speaker 2>hosting and she goes, I don't know. With Fight Club

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<v Speaker 2>it's different than Sixth Sense because he goes, he gives

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<v Speaker 2>the business card, and I just remember Rosy O'Donnell kind

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<v Speaker 2>of doing that on national television. I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck is Like I even as a kid, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I was in junior high.

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<v Speaker 3>When did those come out spoiled?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh maybe they didn't come out at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but h two.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Halloween h two? Oh yeah, Like I can't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I definitely saw the Halloween that came out, the

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<v Speaker 1>one with the oh what you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What movie really scared me is the taking of Deborah Logan.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck is that? That feels like you improvised it?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>It is so scary. Hold on, my husband's name is

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Logan. I'm sending you screenshots. It's the most fucked

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<v Speaker 2>up movie. Okay, hold on, I'm gonna send you a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy screenshot. Do you think I can send it into

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<v Speaker 2>the notes? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on, I'm just gonna do a link. Hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm sending Jared a text. Have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>the taking of Jared? Have you ever seen the taking

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<v Speaker 1>of Deborah Logan? I almost said the taking of Jared Logan.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to share a screen, which is embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think zoom has been out for years. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna chat you the Google Oh my god, why can't

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even find the chata. Okay, I say, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a Google image thing. But then just scroll though,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to see this, Lady, scroll down and

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<v Speaker 2>then to the right and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>What the fuck, Liza?

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<v Speaker 1>No, Okay, I just sent Jared that text and then

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that, and then what popped up was Jared

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<v Speaker 1>has notification silenced.

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<v Speaker 3>So he read that text.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like not now, Yeah, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>how to silence. Everyone's always silencing their shit, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always on my phone. I don't need to silence anything.

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<v Speaker 2>So I watched this with a few people and then

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<v Speaker 2>I had to walk home. I was living in Williamsburg

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<v Speaker 2>and I went to someone's house in Willomsburg and then

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<v Speaker 2>I had to walk home, and I was so scared.

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<v Speaker 2>I kept like jumping into Bodega's to like get myself

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<v Speaker 2>together because I was just like stoned, scared, terrified. That

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<v Speaker 2>one's scared, but I get scared. I one time we

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<v Speaker 2>were on a flight and Matteo was in front of

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<v Speaker 2>me and I screamed so loud that he slowly picked

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<v Speaker 2>up his head and like gave me the dirtiest look.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was watching The Gift with Jason Bateman. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that movie has jump scares. That movie has jump scares.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that movie, and that movie has jump scares.

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<v Speaker 2>It is scary. I give you that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I saw The Conjuring in the theater with Jared

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<v Speaker 1>and I screamed like a cartoon character at a point

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody in the theater was like, what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>But along the lines of your Williamsburg thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>After I saw Blair Witch, I was living, I was

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<v Speaker 1>at camp. I was a counselor. So I saw it

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<v Speaker 1>and then I had to go back to my tent

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods, like it was terrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll never forget it. Because also my brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Had told me that it was real, so I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's found footage, like it's based on this documentary that

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<v Speaker 1>they found that these kids were making. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>wait what. So I went to it thinking it was real.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared said, no, I heard it was bad. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's your great grandma Deborah Logan.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't even put that together. Send him that

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<v Speaker 2>photo of her like eating the person, and I fok.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I'll be like, and what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>about this?

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<v Speaker 4>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>Casey, you're a huge horror guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, do you like the taking of Deborah Logan?

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<v Speaker 5>I've never heard of this movie before. Oh wow, it

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<v Speaker 5>looks scary. It looks it says it's set in Virginia.

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<v Speaker 5>Isn't Jared from West Ja?

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<v Speaker 4>What theod? What he goes?

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<v Speaker 3>What's crazy? Is is it? It's about my great aunt?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait? Casey? What are the horror movies that have good acting?

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<v Speaker 4>The Exorcist is really good acting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The Shining, Oh, the Shining for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>The Shining is so good.

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<v Speaker 5>I just feel like there was so many like comically

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<v Speaker 5>bad horror movies in the eighties that just don't have

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of good acting.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't think you're wrong, Kara.

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<v Speaker 2>But now you reminded me Chainsaw Massacre is great acting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh really that one scared me. Oh yeah, she's like

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<v Speaker 2>running out the Yeah, it's like pretty well.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Well guys, listen, there's only fifty one more weeks until

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween forty twenty four, so I'm glad we could cover this.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we get our humiliating Are we doing this in November?

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<v Speaker 2>It really is? It really is, But I you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>time is just an illusion, That's what I say. Literally,

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<v Speaker 2>there are things to haunt us all around us. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's another reminder.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to That's Messed Up live dot com see us live,

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<v Speaker 1>and then don't go anywhere because we're about to start

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<v Speaker 1>a really I hate to say one of my favorite episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do really like this episode a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing Tortured, season four, episode sixteen. It came out

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<v Speaker 2>on Valentine's Day. That would have been a romantic night in.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been nice cozying up with a spouse

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<v Speaker 2>and watching a nice little Torture SVU. And this episode

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<v Speaker 2>I always get I always think this episode Tortured is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the episode inherit, which is where the

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<v Speaker 2>because isn't that one about feet two? Or no? It's

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<v Speaker 2>just about no.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like a mother and a son thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like the mother something that is like

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<v Speaker 1>what always reminds me of it?

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<v Speaker 3>But I, oh, I do the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think torture inheritance. But whatever, this one is

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<v Speaker 2>really good. It's a classic. We've wanted to do this

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<v Speaker 2>for a really long time, and we're so lucky to

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<v Speaker 2>be here today, and we could all pretend it's Valentine's

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<v Speaker 2>Day in two thousand and three. The towers just fell recently,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're not forgotten. God, you know, I always think like,

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<v Speaker 2>what if al Gore won? I always think that that

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<v Speaker 2>is my Roman Empire? Okay, what if al Gore won? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>We open up on a John and Trick type moment,

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<v Speaker 2>and I never understand why sex worker was ever called trick.

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<v Speaker 2>There are no tricks. It's an exchange of services. What's

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<v Speaker 2>the trick? Yeah, you know who a trick is? A magician,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a little card guy like your pay for sex.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand what the trick, right, It's like they

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<v Speaker 2>want it for free, go fuck yourselves. But a man

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<v Speaker 2>is like, all right, we're good to go, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>then but a phone rings and they both check if

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<v Speaker 2>it's their phones. It's you know, early days of cell phones.

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<v Speaker 2>It's exciting. And she says, I gotta take this and

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<v Speaker 2>makes a sound. Oh, and then she says to him,

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<v Speaker 2>make a sound and I'll cut your balls off, and

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<v Speaker 2>he understands. She says, hi, sweetie, mommy, we'll be home soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Wake the sitter. And the guy's like, what the hell,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean nothing, you know, shuts down a boner

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<v Speaker 2>more than a mother talking to her child. And so

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<v Speaker 2>unless you're some of the criminals we have covered on

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<v Speaker 2>this very program, he runs off, but then turns around

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<v Speaker 2>and is like, wait, can I at least get my

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<v Speaker 2>money back? And she waves him off like okay, fuck off.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm pretty happy. Maybe she is a trick, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>She uh, that's the trick she does.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time she's about to do it, She's like, hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a call from my kid.

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<v Speaker 2>So he marches off and and goes, I'll find a

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<v Speaker 2>hotter piece of ass with a lot less baggage, But

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<v Speaker 2>instead he finds a dead piece of ass. So there

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<v Speaker 2>is a body in a broad short skirt. She's sitting

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<v Speaker 2>up right near the dumpsters and like garbage. And then

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<v Speaker 2>immediately we go to a uniformed cop that's bringing Benson

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<v Speaker 2>and Stabler to the scene and tells them what's what.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, you saw the attack, and she's like, nope,

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<v Speaker 2>the discovery though this tough guy really screamed a bunch.

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<v Speaker 2>This is stupid. So they ask, you know, the sex worker, like,

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<v Speaker 2>did you see anything? She goes, no, just we found

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the body because this tough guy started screaming.

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<v Speaker 2>But she says she didn't see anything. Benson and Stabler

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<v Speaker 2>approached the body and there's ligature marks around the neck,

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<v Speaker 2>no other apparent wounds except for the skirt. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>cut short. And then Stabler notices on the boot there's

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<v Speaker 2>some blood and he wants to like put it in

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<v Speaker 2>an evidence bag, and then when he unzips the boot,

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<v Speaker 2>her foot is cut off. It is just an ankle

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<v Speaker 2>dripping blood in the boot. Benson makes an announcement, anybody

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<v Speaker 2>find a severed foot?

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<v Speaker 3>Right off of severed foot.

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<v Speaker 2>And where do we open the morgue? Of course, Melinda's there,

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<v Speaker 2>and she explains to Benson and Stabler that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>one smooth hack job. It was like really chewed up

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<v Speaker 2>in a sowed up situation. And she said it's a

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<v Speaker 2>serrated and not thick blade, so kind of an upper

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<v Speaker 2>end knife. No bruising and clotting. So she was already

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<v Speaker 2>dead before the foot chop. He used a braided type

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<v Speaker 2>wire and she sprays something on the body and it glows,

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<v Speaker 2>showing that the wire residue was copper, and it glows

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<v Speaker 2>like James and the Giant Peach. Did you watch that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen that. I've never seen that. There's like

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<v Speaker 2>glowy little bugs and that's what makes everything grow. But

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<v Speaker 2>her unfortunate dead now did glow like mystical little bugs

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<v Speaker 2>in the James and the Giant Peach. It's a really

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<v Speaker 2>sweet story. I read it in fourth grade. So no

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<v Speaker 2>hits on her DNA, no ScDs, and no cervical daplasia,

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<v Speaker 2>so probably not a pro and all they have on

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<v Speaker 2>her is that she's Asian in mid twenties. Melinda then

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<v Speaker 2>adds more gruesome details. She had a painful past. There

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<v Speaker 2>were healed burnmarks on the genitals from an electroshock device

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<v Speaker 2>and in her wrists the bones were disrupted and there's

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<v Speaker 2>tears and rotator cuffs. So she was hung by her

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<v Speaker 2>wrists and tortured. So we go to work in the

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<v Speaker 2>squad room. Craigan asks if the old attacker is the

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<v Speaker 2>new attacker, and of course maybe, but there's a two

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<v Speaker 2>year gap in attacks. So Fann goes, well if the

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<v Speaker 2>first one was even an attack, and they're like, shut

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck up, this is not self inflicted. We also

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing for missing persons yet. And it's a full house,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bells are huong, everyone's there, all hands on deck,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we're debating the cause because Finn is convinced

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<v Speaker 2>this is SNM and a painful game of shock the kitty.

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<v Speaker 2>I never want to hear that sentence again.

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<v Speaker 3>No, erase it.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Cragan's like, I understand getting kinky, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like she was spinked to death, dude. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Finn is just very into the BDSM community. Apparently he's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe she was down with whips and chains, but

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<v Speaker 2>not with the cattle prod and Cragan's like, get a

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<v Speaker 2>room for yourself. No, he's not convinced. So it's like Huang,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think? He thinks the marks are a

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<v Speaker 2>sign of political torture used by the Chinese military occupying Tibet.

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<v Speaker 2>So then Munch gets sassy as hell and is like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe she was a nun their favorite target and according

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<v Speaker 2>to that, like you know, that's their favorite target according

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<v Speaker 2>to Physicians for Human Rights. And then Huang's like, uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a member of that club. It's really strange, like

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<v Speaker 2>did you catch this? The way even Munch goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think? Agent Huang like did you not

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<v Speaker 2>catch any of this? Am I my own little like

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<v Speaker 2>it seemed like there was sass in between them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh maybe I well, you know, Bell Munch likes to

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<v Speaker 1>like sort of do a lot of conspiracy. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Huang comes in with the science. So I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 1>they bought heads a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, and Munch his transitional lenses are pop

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<v Speaker 2>they are popping. So then they're like, oh, maybe someone

0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.679
<v Speaker 2>came looking for her here in the States, like you know,

0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.600
<v Speaker 2>she's been seeking political asylum, like maybe from someone from

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<v Speaker 2>her past, like is getting to her for supporting Tibet.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's go check with I ins Finn and Munch

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<v Speaker 2>go visit a blonde board bitch, and she's like, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>do you even know how many immigrants we get a year?

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<v Speaker 2>And out of a million, ten percent claim to be

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<v Speaker 2>political refugees, and then there's a million and a half

0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:53.959
<v Speaker 2>who try to sneak in illegally. She is annoyed and

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<v Speaker 2>she is sassy. She does not belong in this job,

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<v Speaker 2>and Munch reminds her of the sign above, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the huddle masses, the poor ellis island stuff, and we

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<v Speaker 2>get a hit on the print. Her name is Kuon

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Song Tashi and Huang is right. She was born in

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Tibet and she got in on a marriage Viza and

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.359
<v Speaker 2>her husband is Preston Bennett. So they go to b

0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 2>and Sea Shipping. Benson and Stabler are there and him

0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 2>and Kim's song. He explains they met at a bizarre

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:26.840
<v Speaker 2>and dahar masala sounds like a delicious dish. That's disrespectful,

0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.439
<v Speaker 2>but I'm thinking of tiki masala obviously. But you know,

0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 2>they met at a bizar and he found an old stone,

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<v Speaker 2>but the merchant didn't speak English, and she walked by

0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 2>and interpreted for them, and that's that, and they fell

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.679
<v Speaker 2>in love. They look at the wedding photo and Stabler's like, well,

0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 2>how's your relationship now? He is crying, and the actor

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<v Speaker 2>is known for In plain Sight, where the lead lady

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<v Speaker 2>is Mary McCormick, and she I didn't know that this

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<v Speaker 2>was the premise. Do you know what the premise of

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<v Speaker 2>In plain Sight is? No, don't read it. Okay. She

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.960
<v Speaker 2>hunts down witnesses for trial that are in witness protection.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, that's kind of cool. So she has to

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<v Speaker 2>find people that are being hidden to like bring them

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<v Speaker 2>back to like be a witness. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of love it, saying.

0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.199
<v Speaker 2>But he was in sixty one episodes. His name is

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Frederick Weller. He's working, okay, So he sniffles after some

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 2>tears and he goes, we never fought, not once. That's nuts.

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:21.360
<v Speaker 2>That's like saying he never heard a fly. We don't

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 2>believe that. Yeah, yeah, everyone fights, that's part of being human.

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 2>And Stabler is like, dude, it's fucking audio. Didn't report

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.359
<v Speaker 2>her missing, and he's like, well, I assume she was

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 2>just at the center. There's a program at Bellevue for

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.400
<v Speaker 2>torture survivors, and you know she was tortured for attending

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 2>a demonstration. Cops came, rounded them up, kept kept her

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 2>for a month and Benson's like, well, you know, are

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.480
<v Speaker 2>there issues at the center. He says, no, that you know.

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.560
<v Speaker 2>We love the center. The center changed her life. She

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.400
<v Speaker 2>was there a bunch. She does group therapy and interpreting,

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 2>and when a new survivor enters the program, she would

0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 2>sit with them. Stabler gets really close to him and goes,

0:23:56.600 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm not buying it really all night without and he's

0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 2>backed up against the wall and he's like yeah, Benson

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 2>and Sailor walk out and Standler's like again, not buying it,

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 2>not buying it. And he goes like, if Kathy didn't

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:12.359
<v Speaker 2>come home, he would be out looking for her. And

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like, babe, you're the one gone all night, okay,

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.639
<v Speaker 2>and it's your job to go look for people? Like what?

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:21.200
<v Speaker 2>And then I'm like, well, who's taking care of the

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 2>kids if Kathy's gone and you're out looking for people

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 2>all night? And then Benson, we're on the same feminist team.

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.080
<v Speaker 2>She throws it in his face and goes, I'm sorry,

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:31.240
<v Speaker 2>how often are you on a case and you don't

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 2>call Kathy? And he goes, it's different I'm on the job,

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.359
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, well, it seems like she was too.

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.120
<v Speaker 2>So we go to the center and there are candles

0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 2>lit and a woman explains that she was here listening

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>to victims' stories all the time, even if it brought

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 2>up old wounds for her. And this actress is Jodi

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Long and she was in Margaret Show's sitcom All American Girl,

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>and most famously for me, she was a power lesbian

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and the Sex and the City episode with Melinda Warner.

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they're in the same posse of power lesbians that

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte befriends, and.

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 2>The episode's called the Cheating Curve. And one of her

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 2>big lines is if you don't eat pussy, you're not

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 2>one of us. So that's like, oh no, she got

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>it's actually a wilder line. She goes, if you don't

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 2>eat pussy, you're not a dyke. I think yeah is

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 2>the direct quote, So sorry if that's a word you

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 2>don't like. Honestly, an amazing career spanning decades. She works.

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 2>So she goes into detail about her torture and basically,

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 2>like Kimsong was stripped, naked, held in a small cage

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 2>without food, beaten around the clock, electroshock, batons, and rape.

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 2>And they hear some voices and it's a member of

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 2>the Tibetan support group that kons songs. It's her group,

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 2>and they're holding a memorial for her. And they chat

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 2>a little bit and Stabler asks about the husband and

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.400
<v Speaker 2>she's very matter of fact, goes there is no marital

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 2>discord and walks away. And this is just not really

0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 2>rubbing them the right way. Also, while I was in

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Chicago recently, there was it was really small. It was

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>just like five or six people and a few kids

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 2>with signs. There's a little you know, protest. They were

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 2>singing songs and basically people that have escaped North Korea

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:18.520
<v Speaker 2>go to China and China's like sending them back. Oh God,

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.359
<v Speaker 2>and they obviously get killed, their families get kill you know,

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like horrible what happens to them. But and so

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.440
<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know, they're singing for China to

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 2>let people stay, and why won't China let people? I

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.880
<v Speaker 2>don't understand, But we're we live in America and we're

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.880
<v Speaker 2>not helping people, but like to skape North Korea that's

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 2>so hard. Yeah, why wouldn't you help these people? I

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>don't think you're supposed to have all the answers. I

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 2>don't know why I keep looking to you. It's just

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 2>something I didn't know that was going on. So if

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 2>anyone's like educated and what's happening, please let me know.

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm really curious. So Benson is like, listen, it's just

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>really hard to believe someone with this much trauma just

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>has an easy, breezy time in a relationship. No discord,

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 2>no fights, no nothing, like obviously things come up and

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 2>she is like, listen, he cared about her deeply and

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 2>was over very overly protective. And they're like, who does

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 2>she need protection from? And the center director is like

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you duh, Like you know, the whole purpose of tortures

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 2>to break a person's will and destroy their humanity, and

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 2>there's a certain degree of paranoia that comes with it,

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 2>and that's not uncommon. So sablers like, hold up, I mean,

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.479
<v Speaker 2>maybe it wasn't just paranoia, like look what happened, and

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 2>our power lesbian goes yeah, I mean, their tormentors can

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 2>totally come here, just as the survivors have. But she

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 2>did get into, like recently, got into activism really heavy,

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and she met another torture victim and they got along

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:51.719
<v Speaker 2>and her name is Detchen Giazzo, and that's who took

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:53.919
<v Speaker 2>her to her first protests, and so we had to

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.120
<v Speaker 2>find her. And Munch and Finn are at the protest

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 2>and it's Tibet for Tibetans, and they head straight to

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 2>the woman with a bull who right away classic classic

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 2>is we have a right to be here. We have

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 2>our permits. We have a pull horned permit and much

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 2>like babe, we're on your side. You don't even know.

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 2>We're here to talk about coon Song. And we find

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>out that kuon Song did something, did some protesting in

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>front of a brokerage firm that is funding a pipeline

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>through Tibet. But they're hurting them and they forced us

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 2>to only like so basically because of the protesting. It

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.439
<v Speaker 2>forced the US to only give them like five billion

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 2>instead of seven billion, which to me doesn't seem like

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 2>that big of a win. But then Finn says, I've

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:37.400
<v Speaker 2>seen men kill for a pizza, so two billion dollars

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 2>could be worth killing for. And they ask if there

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>was any roughing up and she's like, no, this is

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 2>times square, Like this is really tame. We're used to more.

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>There were no cops, no issues. She was the only

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>one taken away by her husband. Done done what? So

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 2>we find out that he was yelling, she was crying,

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 2>he pulled her out of line and she did not

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 2>finish the protests and we're like, excuse me, you said

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 2>you guys never fought. So we're immediately in the cement

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 2>room bars and Stabler's like well and he's like it

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a fight, and they're like, we heard that you

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>dragged your wife away in tears, start talking. Benson and

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Stabler are yelling while the husband is yelling how like,

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 2>you don't get it. I was just trying to protect her.

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 2>And he explains that they were close to the end

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>of their probation period with the I ins and if

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 2>she had been arrested or anything happened, it would have

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>fucked up their lives and he just doesn't want her

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 2>to get deported. That's it. Finn comes in and goes, uh, oh,

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 2>there's a record. He hasn't been arrested before, but nine

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 2>to one one was called to his residence. What was it?

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 2>He blames the neighbor for misinterpreting something, but it was

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>screams and yells in the night and Stabler's like, how

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 2>is that open to interpretation? And it's like it's torture, nightmares.

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 2>You just learned she was tortured, has few detectives, like

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>you know she has night terrors, Like yeah, I just

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 2>hate when they play dumb and like ignore all the evidence.

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>But he's pleading with them like it's nightmares and I'm

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>a Buddhist. I would never take a life a white Buddhist.

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 2>That's tough. So then they talked to the neighbor in

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 2>finn Is, like, well, you threatened him and he's like, yeah,

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>you know how much trauma calling the cops caused us,

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, it fucked her up. They just like

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm with I'm on this guy's side, like very rarely,

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>but I'm on this guy's side. Like he's been out

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 2>like forthright about the torture of it all.

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Like come on, he's not giving murdered my wife and

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>cut off her foot and left her in an alley.

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>He's not giving that. No, And the detectives, no, she's

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>been through a lot and that nightmares are common and

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>that calling the cops would be fucked up for her,

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Like I just it's annoying me. I hate when they

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 2>act dumb and forget all of their training and knowledge

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 2>and care. So but he's smart and he knows he's

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 2>free to leave, so he storms off in an angry rage,

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>and Sailor goes, he's lying, so now it's bustling off

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>his time. Stabler doesn't like that everything is explained away

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>by her past, like, you know, but I also believe that,

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>And Craigan's like, maybe he is lying, but the paper

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>trails don't. So is there an insurance policy on his wife? No,

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>as the alibi he was home alone, was no calls.

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Munch pulled financials, and he did have a charge at

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>six pm that night at a Tibetan restaurant, Hello Dolly.

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>Like la I do love that pun name, Hello Dolly.

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Love it, love it. And it's in the village, and

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 2>they rush over there and fit in, Munch take the

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 2>lunch duty, and the restaurant dude knows them. But they

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>haven't been there in a couple as a couple for

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 2>weeks and weeks. But according to the credit card receipt,

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 2>he was there last Tuesday. He goes, yeah, yeah, not him.

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>She was there for sure, and they were the only

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 2>ones in the restaurant and she was with a man,

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 2>brown hair, thirty ish, perfect tan in February and left

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 2>a hefty tip and they're like, no, no, no, hold up,

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>it was the husband's card, which means she paid, and

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 2>he goes, no, he signed, and he's going to check

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>for the receipt. So they're like, oh my god, she

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 2>was cheating on him using his card. This is fucking hut.

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 2>And they're like signing the husbands with the card that's cold.

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 2>So the manager comes out and he's like, so, what

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>is the trouble. They're like, well, at least it's identity theft,

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 2>like someone else signed for mister Bennett's card, and the

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>dude's like, no, it's an authorized signer on the card,

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>mister Chambers. It's mister Bennett's partner, their work business partners.

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 2>And Finn's like the triangle thickens and they go to

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 2>talk to Chambers and it's a classic SVU actor who's

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>been in a few episodes. His name was Paul Fitzgerald.

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>He was in season nineteen Country Apasto, which we covered,

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>and he's the teacher who gets his balls cut off,

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 2>and then there's a show, Oh, yeah, yeah, yah. Kathleen

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Monroe was our guest for that. And then season fourteen

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 2>he was in Criminal Hatred and it's the gay Hatred

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.479
<v Speaker 2>one with Nia Vardalos where the guy like hates himself

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 2>for being gay and yeah, like whatever. So and for

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 2>my veep heads, he's in a few episodes of viepas

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Owen Pierce, you know, one of the idiots and government

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 2>so and he's in everything the Americans, Mentalist, Niptuck, he

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 2>works Benson and Stablers say they want to talk about

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Coonsong Ben and he's like, not a good time, bye, guys,

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, well, we would have talked to you

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 2>the day her body was discovered, but at the time

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 2>we didn't know that you were having a torrid little affair.

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, lol, I'm not banging his wife. And

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.479
<v Speaker 2>then he tries to close the door. They threaten him

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>with prison and let him know that he was the

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 2>last person to see her alive. And a man is

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>in the house and guess who else it is. It

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 2>is her husband. It is the original husband, our Buddhist friend.

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 2>They are together. They are gay. The marriage was a sham.

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they never say that they're gay, but they're gay, right, Yeah.

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's bearding for him.

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he cares for her and it was the way,

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 2>it was the only way to bring her here. Like,

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, well, why would you obstruct a murder investigation?

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:49.239
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I fucking panicked, Like I'm so sorry. I

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 2>was scared. You know, we violated federal immigration laws. The

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 2>ions could put me in prison and take away my business.

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 2>So they're like, you better fill us in on everything,

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 2>because if you've been quiet and we can't find something,

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>this is bullshit. And so they're like, what happened at dinner? Like,

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 2>tell us everything. So Stabler's in this dude's face and

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 2>he says it was a Barry the Hatchet dinner. So

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh, wow, there were problems and he goes, yes, listen,

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 2>she's very sweet, we love her, but this was going

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>on three years and obviously put a strain on our relationship. Yeah,

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.800
<v Speaker 2>they did talk about being gay. I'm an idiot. I

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>was like, I don't want to jump to conclusion, and like,

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, she sensed the tension and that's why she

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 2>moved out. But they put the apartment in this you know,

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 2>very tan Man's name, so I n s would and

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.919
<v Speaker 2>find out. So they go to the apartment, big team.

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 2>No sign of blood, no sign of struggle. They're looking

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 2>through her place. She has no messages, and Benson's like,

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I guess she wasn't very popular. Okay, she's dead. Then

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 2>there are classifieds and stars next to some used furniture,

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 2>and Sambler's like, well she needed it. Like they're dissing

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 2>her apartment. They're dissing her. She has no friends. It's like,

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 2>this bitch escape torture and like, I'm here as the

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>high to fake marriage until she can become a citizen.

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Like back off, Sorry, she's not popular with an interior

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>design degree. Guys, they are roasting her. I have some

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 2>respect for the dead detectives. But she was gonna go

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 2>see one of the couches the day she fucking died.

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 2>So they go to Polly's apartment and it's a Sopranos guy,

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Steve Sherpa, Bobby Bacala Becala. I don't care. I don't

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Sopranos doesn't do it for me. It's good, the acting

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:32.879
<v Speaker 2>is good. I love James Gandelfini, but I'm an enough,

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.439
<v Speaker 2>said fan, and I love the movie. The Mexican. Yeah,

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:39.360
<v Speaker 2>that's just me. So now, wait, have you seen the

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>thing where someone's like, I tried to dress like Sophia Richie,

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 2>but instead I look like a mob boss. It's like, oh,

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I haven't. It's really funny. You know, TikTok, TikTok. Our

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 2>brains are rotting. But this guy, I didn't know he

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 2>was such a big actor. He's like he was in

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty episodes of Blue Bloods and one

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 2>hundred and ten episodes of the Secret Life of the

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>American Teenager. Wow, so I didn't know there were so

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 2>many episodes of that second show. Oh my god.

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a secret.

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:12.760
<v Speaker 1>The secret is that The Secret Life of the American

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Teenager has been on for a long time.

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should do it over under on how many

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 2>teen pregnancies there were. It's something grassy. It's like, Okay,

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>we got a cutter, we got an eating disorder, we

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 2>got a cheating we got someone being a goth, we

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 2>got a divorce, we got someone poor. You know, it's like,

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.839
<v Speaker 2>what are we doing? So he says that he's been waiting,

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 2>He waited for her, but she never showed up, and

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Sailor notices the couch is not the one from the ad,

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, yeah, I sold it to a sorority

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.800
<v Speaker 2>girl type, like a Buffy or a Cindy, something like that,

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Buffy is your go to. Nay, Cindy, you're obviously old man,

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 2>ha ha. And by the way, he's in a white

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 2>tank top, referred to by others as a wife beater

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and by me when I'm not on an SVU podcast.

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 2>And then he's also wearing a short sleeved black and

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>gold silk dress like a Versace esque vibe, and they're like,

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, dude, you don't really strike us as a floral,

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>shabby sheet kind of guy, which is how the couch

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>was described in the ad. I just didn't think it

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>was important to add in the in the notes, but

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess it was. And he's like, Nope, I'm not.

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 2>It belonged to my ex. That's why I was getting

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>rid of it. He's got an answer for everything, and

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, oh, why would she leave a catch like you?

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.919
<v Speaker 2>And it's like he truly hasn't done anything, like he's

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:31.399
<v Speaker 2>just in his home drinking like we he hasn't done

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 2>anything wrong yet, but he says the reason his the

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 2>girl left him is because she's a whore and she

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 2>found a fatter wallet. So my bad Benson was right.

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 2>She's always right, and he does suck and he's like

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:48.439
<v Speaker 2>that worthless bitch couldn't boil water. Yeah, okay, we hate

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 2>him at first. I'm like, leave this guy alone. He

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 2>just was trying to sell a couch and I'm like,

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 2>cut off his dick. Benton's going off like this is

0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 2>a perfect scam, Like how else would you get women

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>to just enter your home and classifies her super cheap

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 2>and so it's like a perfect way to get women there,

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>And like we don't even know if the couch ever

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 2>even existed, and so they're working on getting some history.

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 2>The poly guy has two drunken disorderlies and then ring ring,

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 2>it's the lab, and we head to the lab. They

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.760
<v Speaker 2>have something on the boots. It's Daniel Sunjada Sexy green Eyes.

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Hello James Holt from Devilwar's Prada if you're new to

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 2>the pod. And then the shoes are a size nine,

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>which is weird because the victims shoe size was a

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 2>six and a half. So what's going on? Then, of

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 2>course Benson, bougie Benson notices. They're Jacques Lecoeur and those

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 2>are seven hundred dollars boots.

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:46.240
<v Speaker 1>She knows exactly the price. She knows her luxury items,

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>this bitch, and.

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 2>They have no evidence of her actually walking in them.

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 2>And Benson's like, but they're scuff marks, and he goes, yeah,

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 2>but that's not hers. She's actually pigeon toed, so these

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 2>scuff marks wouldn't be hers. I mean, the way she

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 2>is roasted after death is wild for everything she's been through.

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 2>So Fit and Munch go to the store and the

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Tenon is being like an okay level of helpful. The

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>shoe they're showing, though, is a prototype that's never been sold.

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.399
<v Speaker 2>It's supposed to hit shelves next month. So who had

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 2>access to it. Laurie Schneider is who reps the account,

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 2>so they rush over to her. Flash, flash flash.

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 3>They're like in the.

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Middle of a fashion show. Fashion shows last maybe fifteen minutes.

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I've been to one fashion week show. It was not

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 2>a high class in any way. Quick, yeah, even if

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:37.800
<v Speaker 2>it's even if it's fifty outfits. The bitches are walking

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:40.320
<v Speaker 2>back like, yeah, you have to fuck her up in

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the middle of a dress rehears like, I just know

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 2>about fashion shows from top model and like no, and

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I used surprised.

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Used to get my nails done at a place where

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 1>they were constantly showing fashion shows. They are like fifteen

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 1>or twenty minutes, like and sometimes they're only like, you know,

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 1>fifteen looks.

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. If I could watch a fashion show

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:58.800
<v Speaker 2>as I was getting a manny petty, I would be

0:39:58.840 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 2>in heaven.

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's West Hollywood. It was a great place.

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:04.040
<v Speaker 2>That's as a close.

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>No, I think it's unless the pandemic got it. I

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>just don't go there anymore because I live over here.

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Of course, of course we wish you luck. Okay, So

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 2>they're interrupting this fashion show that's so hectic, so crazy

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 2>models everywhere. But they have to talk to her right now,

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.799
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, I have two minutes. So they bring

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:26.320
<v Speaker 2>up the shoe. She goes. The only model who's a

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 2>size nine is Crystal. She wore them last month. They're

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 2>not supposed to take the shoes, obviously, but also she's

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 2>in Milan right now, So the woman's not being helpful,

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 2>and the detectives finally have to be like, listen, lady,

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.920
<v Speaker 2>this is a murder investigation. Like, can you please give

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 2>us the real scoop? She goes, fine, Okay, she didn't

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.399
<v Speaker 2>take them. I took them. I thought I was going

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 2>on a hot date, but it wasn't hot at all.

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 2>He took me bowling. He didn't touch her, and then

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 2>her boots disappeared from the bowling alley and it was

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty degrees outside, and she wrote a car in her stockings,

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:58.879
<v Speaker 2>and munch goes, well, at least you have your feet.

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 2>The other girl wasn't so lucky. She's in the middle

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 2>of a work day. You don't have to It's like

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 2>they're all so, you know. She thought it was like

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 2>the theft of the boot, Like, okay, should.

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:12.879
<v Speaker 1>You ever like get your jacket stolen in New York

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:13.959
<v Speaker 1>though in the freezing winter?

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 2>No, obviously you have. You seem very passionate.

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>That's happened to me, and you have to like go

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>home like in a tube top, like freezing fucking cold

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>on a Saturday night.

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 2>That's happened to me before. And I hate it.

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 5>Oh.

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 2>One of my friends posted a photo and it's like

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 2>it's Chicago girls are built different, and it's just like

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 2>a group of Chicago girls walking in the snow and

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:37.839
<v Speaker 2>heels in like tiny club dresses. And this was me back,

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 2>This was totally me. We were built different and or

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 2>it's wunny. I mean I.

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean I would just wear like skimpy outfits with

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>like a winter coat over it and then shove my

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>coat into the corner of like a bar somewhere, and

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 1>then it got stolen one time and I truly had

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 1>to walk home half nude and.

0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 3>I was so freezing.

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 2>So fuck those people, thief. Yeah, we're gosh, the youth,

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:06.759
<v Speaker 2>what is it? The youth is wasted on the young.

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.439
<v Speaker 2>So we're at a bowling alley. You know, this girl

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 2>had a terrible date at a bowling alley. How do

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 2>you feel about bowling alley for first dates?

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:16.359
<v Speaker 3>Not first date?

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>But Jared and I did just go to a beautiful

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 1>dinner and then bowling for our eight year wedding anniversary,

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and we had a blast.

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I love bowling.

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Bowling's fine, But on first date, No, that's like too,

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 1>that's too down in the like, it's not that's not good.

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 3>You want to like get to know each other.

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I think a little bit more before you like just

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.919
<v Speaker 1>start throwing heavy balls down a lane.

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we're at the bowling alley. We're talking to

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 2>the counter guy and he he's like, oh, yeah, she

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 2>was hitting on me. She didn't even want to be

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 2>here with the date. She hated him. She you know,

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 2>she liked me. He were concessions though not the shoe

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 2>counter that night, and he brought tons of beer to them.

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 2>That's why he like really remembers her. And you know

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 2>she's obviously, you know, works in fashion. I'm sure she

0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>looked extra cool. They asked how up, and the shoes

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.839
<v Speaker 2>get stolen and during the chat though, the bowling work

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:06.399
<v Speaker 2>never ends. So he asks a man named Jerry. He's like, hey,

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 2>go tend to some pins that Laye needs your help. So,

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're talking about missing shoes. He goes, not

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 2>that often. You know, sometimes pranks and stuff, people are wasted,

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>so they forget them, like some people know show, I

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know what to tell you. So they end up

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.800
<v Speaker 2>going to Jerry and being like, how's working for counterboy Marshall,

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>the kingpin of the bowling alley, And Jerry goes, I

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 2>fucking hate this guy, and Stabler's like, is he annoying

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 2>to everyone as he is to us? And he's like, oh,

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 2>he's disgusting. He hits on every girl that walks in there.

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.640
<v Speaker 2>It's pathetic. And he goes and they all reject him,

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler pushes like anything else, like any theft does

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 2>he steal? He's like, I wouldn't put it past him.

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.399
<v Speaker 2>So now we're back in the office. But this bowling guy,

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>they checked his record, it's clear. Benson goes, yeah, but

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 2>he was young, so maybe he's never been caught before.

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 2>And then someone's like, well, or maybe never reported. It's

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 2>just a pair of shoes who would report like shoes.

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 2>And Munch does a pushpin map now of all the

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 2>crimes that have to do with shoes, and Benson goes, well,

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 2>why shoes, and Huang pops out of nowhere fetish arousal

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 2>by shoes, feet or smelly socks, and Munch doesn't get it.

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>But Huang is like, I mean, basically, there's a cross

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 2>wiring the control map of the brain and the genitals

0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>are really and like genitals and feet are right next

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 2>to each other, so if there's any sort of mixing

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 2>and matching the genital feet stuff, they cross.

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.800
<v Speaker 1>But I look this up and apparently it's pop science.

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it's not really there's like people, some people were

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>arguing online there's really like no articles that are reputable

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that say that this is real, and there's different doctors online,

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.399
<v Speaker 1>like one biologist on Instagram is like, this is why

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:42.280
<v Speaker 1>so many people.

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Have foot fetishes.

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>It's because of exactly what the episode says, and then

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 1>other doctors are like, that's not true at all, Like

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the brain doesn't rewire like that, Like the brain doesn't

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 1>cross wire like that.

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's I think it's hard to prove, but

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>it's cool.

0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 1>It's something I've always thought, like, you know, famously, like

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Quentin Tarantino has a foot fetish, and I'm like, oh,

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if it's like a cross wiring because of

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 1>the sex thing, like I learned on SVU, But I

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's real.

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Whitney Cummings says, it's on our podcast all the time.

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 2>It's because tos look like little dicks or something, and like,

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I'm sure that's a joke. Cragan's like,

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 2>enough fetish talk, let's talk the crime. So they're back

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 2>to the map work and Huang SE's one that's green

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, well, this is a violet He's like,

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 2>what is this me? And Munch goes violent attack and

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Huang goes, okay, that's weird. Fetishes usually are not like

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 2>violent related. So this crime was two weeks ago. It

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 2>was an NYU grad named Greta and she was choked

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 2>and then when she woke up, her shoes were gone.

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 2>So now we're going to show the photo of Polly

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to her and maybe it's him. So Benson is walking

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.840
<v Speaker 2>with a purple, fluffy earmuff woman and she is like,

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm running late for class and well, I don't know

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 2>what else do you want from me? And Benson's like,

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:57.359
<v Speaker 2>well I noticed, you know, nice running shoes. She goes, well,

0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 2>I used to wear heels all the time, but now

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm too scared of wear them, so running shoes all day.

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 2>And she feels like she's not even the same person anymore.

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 2>And the whole thing is like she's short, and I

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 2>just I didn't realize being a short woman has any

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 2>effect on people, you know what I mean? Because we

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:16.399
<v Speaker 2>remember took a photo with a woman who like kept

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 2>moving the camera wildly, so she looked taller, yeah, in

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 2>a selfish way, And it's like, well, we all look

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 2>horrible because of this, like short, I don't get it,

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 2>like people like short girls. I don't under like to

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:31.800
<v Speaker 2>wear three inch or four inch heels every day to

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 2>look a little taller. It just couldn't be me, I know.

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 1>I guess the grass is always greener. It's like people

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 1>just like short, like girls with small boobs want to

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>have big boobs.

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Girls with big boobs wish they were smaller.

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:40.880
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 3>It's like it is weird though, like shortness.

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Is short and I never have been, Like god, I

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 2>wish I was taller, you know, I just I don't

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 2>know I get it for guys, but maybe if you

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 2>really loved sports. Yeah, so that's why she, you know,

0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 2>wore heels. She was short like a maloof and now

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 2>she wears sneakers all the time. And so all she

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 2>remembers is it was dark. All of a sudden, hands

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.439
<v Speaker 2>around her throat, she came up, you know, she didn't

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 2>see his face was all from behind, but because he

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 2>came from behind, she then hit her head onto his chin.

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 2>So now they know her height. She was five three

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 2>in the heels, so that means he was five eight

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 2>or five ten. She was in classes and she goes

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to a bakery and that's all she really does. And

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 2>the bakeryes on Houston and Sullivan, and she was walking

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 2>back from the bakery when it happened. And Pollie lives

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 2>right on Houston by the bakery. So they go to

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 2>the bakery. It's Ma's Bakery, and the bakery woman remembers Greta.

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:42.360
<v Speaker 2>She hasn't been in for a while though, but she

0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 2>always hated the dorm food. You're a grad student, get

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:50.239
<v Speaker 2>an apartment, okay. So the bakery looks cute and really

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 2>really fun and the woman is Margaret Colin, who is

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:56.760
<v Speaker 2>an anti abortion person, so who cares about her credits?

0:47:57.600 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So then the detectives are like, do you know this

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 2>much about all of your customers? About the dorm food

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 2>and all of that, and she goes, yeah, you know,

0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:06.959
<v Speaker 2>everyone that comes in usually lives in a ten block

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:09.720
<v Speaker 2>radius and I mostly know them by all the orders.

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>They show a photo Coon Song and she doesn't remember her.

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.880
<v Speaker 2>So how many employees work there? She goes Michael Rodney

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.080
<v Speaker 2>and then there's a little boy, Brandon, and they show

0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the Polly photo and the little boy goes, yeah, pumper

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 2>nickel and olive oil. And what's funny is that's a

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 2>disgusting order. Does that mean? But also, this little boy

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 2>looks like you'd be an Oliver twist time, like he

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.439
<v Speaker 2>is not a boy of arter time. Yeah, he looks

0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 2>He truly looks like he hopped in a time machine. Yes,

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:43.240
<v Speaker 2>he's an oliverat he is an Irish little ghost because

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 2>he does not look like a modern child.

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.400
<v Speaker 3>Please, sir, I'd like some more pump and nickel.

0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's a regular. And then they put Polly

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:55.399
<v Speaker 2>in a cement barroom and Benson's gonna play some games.

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:59.600
<v Speaker 2>She walks in wearing pumps, high healed, Benson looking sexy.

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.080
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I didn't do anything. Annie didn't get hard

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 2>over the heels. So they're like, fuck, you know, we're

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:07.879
<v Speaker 2>not Annie go And he's like, how can I proof

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 2>to you I did not know it? And they say,

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:14.840
<v Speaker 2>search your apartment. He agrees, and they find nothing. Daniel

0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Sun Johna looked at everything, not even a hair in

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 2>the drain. They dusted everything. Then another dork comes in

0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and he found something. So in Coonsong's room there was

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a notepad with a grocery list on it and so,

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 2>but they have technology that they can recover identifying writing

0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:33.239
<v Speaker 2>three four pages beneath the og like with the impressions,

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 2>and they did find something. They found something that said

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:39.160
<v Speaker 2>couch six four two East Houston Street, apartment two A

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:42.840
<v Speaker 2>after six. That's not Polly's address though his address is

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 2>four six two. So they go to six four two

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 2>right next to the bakery. Mama Bakery comes out and

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 2>is like, oh my god, you're just in time for

0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:53.879
<v Speaker 2>fresh banana bread, which I love Claudia's and Brooklyn best

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.880
<v Speaker 2>banana bread ever. Shout out to my favorite place on

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Bushwick av. So then they ask if she I can't

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 2>believe I'm doing banana bread collouts. So then they ask

0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.200
<v Speaker 2>if she knows who lives right next door, and she goes, yeah,

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 2>it's me, and they're like, okay, well, I mean she

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 2>was looking for furniture, maybe not a customer. Can you

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.200
<v Speaker 2>look at this photo of this woman again? And she goes, well,

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:16.320
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't selling any furniture, so there's no way I

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:18.480
<v Speaker 2>would have seen her. And they're like, who else lives there?

0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Just you and that little brand and he goes, well,

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 2>and you know his half brother, my other son, Jerry.

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 2>So she calls up and she's like Jerry, he opens

0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the window. Guess who it is. It's the motherfucker from

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the bowling Alley, not the counter guy, but the guy

0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 2>who hates the counter guy work in the lanes, and

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:36.320
<v Speaker 2>they keep him in interrogation and they walk in with

0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:39.840
<v Speaker 2>just boxes and boxes of stuff from the apartment. They

0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:43.480
<v Speaker 2>found his secret stash and it's all shoes, and he

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:46.800
<v Speaker 2>flips out, don't touch my things, and they go, your things.

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:49.680
<v Speaker 2>We've tied half of these to burglaries in the neighborhood.

0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:52.719
<v Speaker 2>And they talk to his mom too, and he's like, oh, yeah,

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, she revealed that he's loved heels and shoes

0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:57.439
<v Speaker 2>since he was five years old. And then he goes,

0:50:57.719 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gay, and it's like, oh yeah, this seems worse.

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Piles of stolen woman's shoes and a dead body with

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:07.399
<v Speaker 2>a severed foot. Honey, we wish you were getting Yeah.

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 2>So he just he's like, I just like the way

0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.319
<v Speaker 2>the shoes look. I collect them. It's harmless, and they

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 2>push him. They're like, fuck you harmless. So what he

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 2>says was he usually just follows the women home, sees

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 2>where they live, and then gets them later. And the

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 2>NYU grad student was the first time he ever hurt anyone,

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.160
<v Speaker 2>And then Benson goes, well, it wasn't your last. And

0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 2>then they show the photo of coon Song and then

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 2>they say that they found blood all over the mom's

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:35.360
<v Speaker 2>delivery van. And then they say, and we know you

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 2>use the van to dump her body, and we know

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 2>she came to your apartment by accident looking to buy

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 2>a couch. He sighs, he knows he's been got. Stabler

0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 2>pulls the red boot out of his box and goes,

0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:48.720
<v Speaker 2>does this help? And it's in a bag. He touches

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.279
<v Speaker 2>it and he goes, she was like something out of

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:54.279
<v Speaker 2>my dreams. So I invited her in. She just had

0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:57.680
<v Speaker 2>the most perfect tiny feet. All I did was compliment

0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:00.840
<v Speaker 2>her things were going really well. She asked where the

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.320
<v Speaker 2>couch was, and then she ran for the door. I

0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:05.160
<v Speaker 2>stopped her. I asked her to try on a pair

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:07.359
<v Speaker 2>of shoes for me. She told me I was sick.

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:11.360
<v Speaker 2>His lips are quivering. He snaps. So Stabler is like,

0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 2>for sure, dude, so you didn't mean to kill her.

0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 2>He's like exactly, he was just rewiring his TV when

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 2>she came in. And they're like, oh, the wire from

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.080
<v Speaker 2>the crime we got you now. And then Benson asks,

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:24.239
<v Speaker 2>why did you cut off her foot? And he goes, well,

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:26.719
<v Speaker 2>just for my collection. The shoes look better with like

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:30.200
<v Speaker 2>a real foot in it. And they're both grossed out,

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.719
<v Speaker 2>both of them big really funny faces. So now it's

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Cabot time. She's in a walk and talk with someone

0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:37.959
<v Speaker 2>else and behind her is Ileana Douglas and she runs

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 2>in being like, Girley, can we chat? And I love her.

0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 2>She was in ghost World if you're wondering, she was

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 2>the art teacher. That's how I know her. So she's

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:48.760
<v Speaker 2>defending footboy and Cabot looks down and goes, nice shoes

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:52.520
<v Speaker 2>and they're like flat, like tap dance shoes, like lay stuff.

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 2>She goes, I hate them too, but they're the only

0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:58.480
<v Speaker 2>ones that, like client won't go insane over focus if

0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 2>I wear these. If I wear shoes, Jerry can't focus.

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 2>And basically she's like, we're doing a psychoval and Cabot's like, wow,

0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:09.839
<v Speaker 2>how original. And she also has like physical evaluations, neurological

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.840
<v Speaker 2>exams IQ. Cabot's not interested. She does not give a

0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:15.520
<v Speaker 2>fuck trial time. So we have a doctor on the

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>stand and we talk frontal lobe stuff and how that's

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 2>the impulse control center, and Ele Douglas is like, so

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 2>if you know it holds urges, that's what happens. So

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:29.439
<v Speaker 2>if you're frontal lobe, even if you have a wild urge,

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.640
<v Speaker 2>it keeps it tight. The guy did tests on Dupree,

0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:36.719
<v Speaker 2>that's Jerry Dupree, and his frontal lobe is fucked, which

0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:40.040
<v Speaker 2>means he can't hold onto stuff. He had a subdural

0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:43.080
<v Speaker 2>hematoma and that means there was so much frontal low

0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:46.960
<v Speaker 2>pressure and so it can produce radical personality changes. He

0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 2>has decreased frontal brain activity stemming from an injury, which

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 2>means how a gentle, meek person becomes a violent person

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:57.720
<v Speaker 2>and it disinhibits people and they can't control their urges.

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 2>But now it's Cabot's turn and she is a to

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 2>murder this motherfucker. I like love this six change. So

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 2>she's like, so everyone who suffers a blow to the

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.080
<v Speaker 2>frontal lobe will kill and he's like, of course not.

0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 2>And so then she says, okay, thank you, and so

0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:15.799
<v Speaker 2>according to your theory, and he gets offended and tries

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:19.280
<v Speaker 2>to drop his credits because she's like, so your little theory,

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:23.360
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I'm a psychologist, and he goes, I

0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 2>work with the most vicious criminals ever, and what I

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:31.960
<v Speaker 2>figured out is overwhelmed. Overwhelmingly, those who have abusive childhoods,

0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:35.680
<v Speaker 2>psychotic symptoms, and brain injuries commit the most amount of crimes.

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 2>But his study had only one hundred and eighty seven

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.360
<v Speaker 2>people in it, which is not enough for a study.

0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:45.320
<v Speaker 2>And the total number of brain injuries per year is

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:50.160
<v Speaker 2>five hundred thousand, So your tiny study does not matter

0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 2>because five hundred thousand people are following the law. And

0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:58.160
<v Speaker 2>he's like, actually, my study included really famous serial killers

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Bundy Dahmer, Shawcross, who I don't know, Mark David Chapman,

0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Joel Rifkin, who I only know from Seinfeldt. And she

0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:09.720
<v Speaker 2>cuts in and says, and now, Jerry Dupree, thank you doctor.

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she crushed it like that is hot. I'm

0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:16.239
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with her. And so now we have bakery Mama

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 2>on the stand and she's talking about what a sweet

0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:20.680
<v Speaker 2>boy he was. He never fought or cursed or anything.

0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:23.680
<v Speaker 2>But in January, the bakery was robbed by a crazed

0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:26.359
<v Speaker 2>man with a hammer. He threatened to kill the mom.

0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Jerry wasn't there at the time, but Jerry heard from upstairs,

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 2>ran down. He tried to rescue the mom, tried to

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.840
<v Speaker 2>pull the weapon from the man's grip, but instead he

0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:39.800
<v Speaker 2>got hit right in the head with a hammer, and

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:42.719
<v Speaker 2>he changed Jerry completely. He had headaches all the time,

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 2>fits of anger, and he started to swear, and so

0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 2>he was just not the same person. But it's not

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:53.040
<v Speaker 2>his fault. He was just protecting his mother. So we're

0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:55.440
<v Speaker 2>in Craigan's office. Cabint is pitched. She's like, great, now

0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:57.879
<v Speaker 2>she has the whole Jerry's believing he's some sort of hero,

0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:01.120
<v Speaker 2>but the robbery case is still open with no leads,

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:04.040
<v Speaker 2>and the mom, you know, there was a report, and

0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Wan's like, listen, the brain's injuries are legit. He's looking

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 2>up the papers, and Kaba's like sure, but Consong also

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.960
<v Speaker 2>dealt with abuse and never hurt a soul, and Craigan's like,

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:15.880
<v Speaker 2>fuck to have survived hell and to run into Jerry,

0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and Wong notices something. He goes, well, it might this

0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 2>guy's kind of a klutz. Numerous evidence of structural damage

0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 2>in the brain, which means tons of attacks over a

0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 2>long period of time, and of other places at like

0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 2>other places in the brain and he's been hitting the

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.880
<v Speaker 2>head a ton, and Cabot's like, well, this is funny.

0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't the mother mention all these other head wounds,

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, and those those wouldn't make him look like

0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:42.600
<v Speaker 2>a hero. So we need to find evidence now that

0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:45.319
<v Speaker 2>she perjured herself. So we're off to talk to an

0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:49.400
<v Speaker 2>fdny hottie and it's Fedora Munch and Finn and so,

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, tell us about everything. And the mom wouldn't

0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:55.319
<v Speaker 2>leave his side and basically like physically like would pull

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:57.440
<v Speaker 2>him aside and stuff like, he was very attached to

0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:59.799
<v Speaker 2>the mom. And then we go talk to the little bro.

0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:03.120
<v Speaker 2>So basically the mom said that this will happened in

0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the bakery, and the kid is like wait wait, wait no,

0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 2>not in the bakery. This was home. This was in

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:10.359
<v Speaker 2>our home. So then they're like wait so and then

0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:12.680
<v Speaker 2>to the boy is like, well why would my mom lie?

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.799
<v Speaker 2>But also this is the whole exchange's while the two

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 2>detectives can just accost the young child out right outside

0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:22.400
<v Speaker 2>of school, it's like two bullies just ready to attack,

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and so I just think it's wild to corner a

0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 2>child after school. And then they threaten the little child

0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and go well, your mom lied on the sand and

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:33.960
<v Speaker 2>said it was in the bakery that this happened, not

0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 2>at the home. So we're going to take her to

0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.720
<v Speaker 2>jail and your brother, so you better start talking. Benson

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Bend's down on his level and is like, we know

0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 2>you want, like she wants to protect her son, but

0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:46.480
<v Speaker 2>she can ruin her life, so don't let that happen. Like,

0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 2>we need to make sure she's not lying for her son,

0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:51.400
<v Speaker 2>and the little boy yells, you don't even know her.

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:56.240
<v Speaker 2>She's the one who hurt him. Bomb show, bomb show.

0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:59.160
<v Speaker 2>She caught him with another pair of ladies shoes and

0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:02.000
<v Speaker 2>beat him. So the first time she caught him was

0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:04.240
<v Speaker 2>five years old, which means she's been beating the shit

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:07.120
<v Speaker 2>out of him since she was five years old. She blame,

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:10.480
<v Speaker 2>and then the little boy goes. She blames Jerry for

0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:13.720
<v Speaker 2>dad leaving us since he was such an embarrassment, and

0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:16.080
<v Speaker 2>she hits him too, but not as bad because he's

0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 2>faster than Jerry. Benson and Stabler are now sitting with

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Jerry and Ileana Douglas in prison, and they're convincing him

0:58:22.120 --> 0:58:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to go against the mom, but he won't. He denies

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:27.160
<v Speaker 2>ever being hit by her and he's screaming wildly she

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:30.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't do anything bad, and he's getting up doing some

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:33.240
<v Speaker 2>great acting. He's like, I killed that girl. I belong

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>in prison, and Ileana Douglas goes, no, you don't belong

0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.880
<v Speaker 2>in prison. You belong in a hospital. And he says

0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:40.920
<v Speaker 2>they can't fix me, and if I get out, I'll

0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:44.000
<v Speaker 2>do it again. And Benson's like, well, what about your mom,

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:46.800
<v Speaker 2>because she might do it again. She's going to hit Brandon.

0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:50.160
<v Speaker 2>We have to save Brandon without with you in the hospital.

0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 2>She's he's gonna get hit. You have to save your brother.

0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.160
<v Speaker 2>And they're pleading with him, like, turn on your mom,

0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:58.360
<v Speaker 2>you have to save like your brother, and he starts

0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 2>talking basically, there was the girl in the bakery and

0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:03.919
<v Speaker 2>I started, you know, he started talking so her about

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:05.520
<v Speaker 2>the shoes, right in front of the mom, and the

0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:08.000
<v Speaker 2>mom went crazy and came after him with a frying

0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:10.600
<v Speaker 2>pant and I told her, don't hit my head, maw,

0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.160
<v Speaker 2>and that made her even like madder, and she bopped

0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:14.880
<v Speaker 2>him on the side of the head and knocked him

0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:17.400
<v Speaker 2>down and kept hitting and she be and he begged

0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:20.040
<v Speaker 2>her to stop, and it's like, remember what the doctor said,

0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:23.120
<v Speaker 2>but she grabbed the handle with both hands and brought

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:26.000
<v Speaker 2>it down as hard as she could, and he's crying

0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's really hard for him to speak and it's

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:30.720
<v Speaker 2>the last thing he ever remembers, and the music turns

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:33.400
<v Speaker 2>super dark, and now she's in a pink dress, like

0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:36.800
<v Speaker 2>dressed shirt and she's working the bakery, smiling like it's

0:59:36.880 --> 0:59:40.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, fucking mourning at Beauty and the Beast. Then

0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:43.640
<v Speaker 2>they arrest her in front of all the customers. She

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:46.080
<v Speaker 2>is shocked and she's like, this is insane. I had

0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:50.680
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with Coon's song. And they're like, it's

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 2>depraved indifference. You're going to jail. You turned him into

0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.000
<v Speaker 2>a killer, and she says, I didn't make him the

0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:58.400
<v Speaker 2>way he is. He's always been like this. I did

0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:00.920
<v Speaker 2>everything I could to fix it. Benson's like, you mean,

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:03.840
<v Speaker 2>beat the shit out of him, and she screams, nothing

1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:06.120
<v Speaker 2>else worked. You don't know what he put me through.

1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:09.440
<v Speaker 2>And she's yelling as Stabler has her handcuffed, leading her

1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:12.920
<v Speaker 2>out as everyone is watching, and she's twisting and screaming

1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:15.240
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, don't look at me like that. I'm

1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:17.720
<v Speaker 2>not the one who's sick, you know me. Tell them

1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:20.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm a good mother tell them. Nobody tells them. I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if everyone's gonna get a pastry on the house

1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:26.440
<v Speaker 2>that little disturbance and that is Dick wolf a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, wow, wow, wow wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That is such a good episode and the crime is

1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:55.000
<v Speaker 1>super disturbing, So stay tuned. So crazy crazy that I

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<v Speaker 1>just realized this episode is based off of a criminal

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<v Speaker 1>also Jerry, So they literally didn't even change the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Killer in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode is based off of the lust Killer or

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<v Speaker 1>the shoe fetish Slayer, whose name was Jerome Henry Brutos

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<v Speaker 1>aka Jerry Brutos.

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<v Speaker 3>He is depicted in mind Hunter.

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<v Speaker 1>He is up there with Ted Bundy and all of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys that are known as the biggest serial killers.

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<v Speaker 1>He killed four women between sixty eight and sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think just the nature of his horrific crimes

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<v Speaker 1>is what puts him like up with these guys that

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<v Speaker 1>killed like so many more. And and rule the woman

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<v Speaker 1>who was friends with Ted Bundy, yeah, and wrote the

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<v Speaker 1>Stranger Beside Me. She wrote a book about him called

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<v Speaker 1>the lust Killer and gave him the nickname the lust Killer.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jerry Brudos as a young boy moved around a

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<v Speaker 1>lot with his family between like Oregon and California, and

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<v Speaker 1>then settled down in Salem, Oregon, which is a town

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<v Speaker 1>I've been to to do comedy, and it is this

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous coastal town in Oregon, but it's like it is

1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:04.480
<v Speaker 1>a little spooky. It's like on the water and like

1:02:04.960 --> 1:02:08.800
<v Speaker 1>that like specific northwest fog. Like it's really gorgeous, but

1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:12.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a little spooky. He found a pair of women's

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<v Speaker 1>high heels in a junkyard at around age five, and

1:02:15.360 --> 1:02:18.880
<v Speaker 1>that kicked off his obsession with women's shoes. And another

1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:21.560
<v Speaker 1>thing about him was that I don't I don't. There's

1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:23.920
<v Speaker 1>no evidence that his mom was ever beating him the

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<v Speaker 1>way that this in this episode. But his mom had

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<v Speaker 1>wanted a son, I mean, had wanted a daughter, and

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<v Speaker 1>when she had him, like, she already had an older

1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:34.520
<v Speaker 1>son named Larry, and she wanted her next kid to

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<v Speaker 1>be a girl, and like prayed and prayed that her

1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:38.640
<v Speaker 1>second pregnancy would be a girl. But it was Jerry,

1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and she was pissed and she let him fucking know it.

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<v Speaker 1>She would dress him in girl's clothing, she would shower

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<v Speaker 1>praise on the older brother, and then one time when

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<v Speaker 1>she found his heels, she set them on fire. So

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<v Speaker 1>by first grade, he's fully obsessed.

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<v Speaker 2>With women's shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>He's trying to steal his teacher shoes, and his obsession

1:02:54.760 --> 1:02:57.440
<v Speaker 1>is like in full swing. He also liked to collect

1:02:57.480 --> 1:03:00.720
<v Speaker 1>women's underwear. He would break into homes to steal underwear,

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<v Speaker 1>and then as he moved into his teens, obviously this

1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:07.240
<v Speaker 1>obsession became more violent and dark. Psychiatrists think that he

1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:09.200
<v Speaker 1>created these fantasies.

1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Blaming women for men's crimes, but like I know, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly, I just really quickly googled it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there are some articles that say that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a head injury, but nothing in my research says where

1:03:22.320 --> 1:03:24.280
<v Speaker 1>he would have gotten that head injury or where like

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<v Speaker 1>because he's on the list with guys like the expert

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode, there are experts that try to say

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<v Speaker 1>that like Dahmer had a head injury, Ben Bundy had

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<v Speaker 1>a head injury, that all these guys had head injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. In Brutos's like history, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see where that head injury happened. There are other injuries

1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that he tries to blame later, but I'll get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, it does suck. Like maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why was he so attructed to women's shoes

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<v Speaker 1>right from the jump at age five, Like maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, had some gender dysphoria, who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>But psychiatrists said that they thought he was creating those

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<v Speaker 1>fantasies for revenge on his mother for treating him like shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh see, because like, yeah, I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these issues because it's like if Jerry or someone like

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<v Speaker 2>choose and he wasn't shamed for it and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, wear are my heels, he could have been fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe he would just end up doing drag you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like drag quitz forcing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's just oh okay, yeah yeah yeah. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>so much of this stuff happening right now and like

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<v Speaker 2>contemporary times with like gender whatever, like everyone being mad

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<v Speaker 2>at trans people out of nowhere, like marks of for

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<v Speaker 2>fucking fascism. Yeah, but it's like, yeah, just let your

1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:38.440
<v Speaker 2>kids be who they are. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't even have to do all that stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like there was like a post where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like of the binary our number one Fan Arsley posted this,

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<v Speaker 2>But if the binary was so natural, why would you

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<v Speaker 2>have to work so hard to keep it? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if boys just had to be rough, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like, if your son wants to fucking do ballet,

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<v Speaker 2>let him fucking do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar was wearing Barett's and his hair the whole day

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<v Speaker 2>the other day. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to look like his sister, who, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>my daughter won't wear dresses. I'm like, okay, I did

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<v Speaker 1>force her once for a wedding, but never again. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's only and it's been a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine forcing Rosie to wear something shit didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to wear, like sicking it.

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<v Speaker 3>It would sick in it. It would honestly be horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yes, even yesterday I was going to give her

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<v Speaker 1>a bath and she really didn't want to take one

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<v Speaker 1>because she was sick.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, all right, I'm not going to force you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're sick, you know, I'll let you have this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, I just obviously we have to force them

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<v Speaker 1>to do some things, you know, but like what they wear,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff, it's insane. So at seventeen, this

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<v Speaker 1>morph's into stalking. Obviously, he would hold women at knife

1:05:42.680 --> 1:05:44.360
<v Speaker 1>point and sometimes he would knock them out so he

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<v Speaker 1>could steal their shoes. So it's like what Jerry said

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<v Speaker 1>that he would like sometimes stalk these women and then

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<v Speaker 1>like figure out ways to get into their apartment and

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<v Speaker 1>get their shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for Sbu to use the exact name of

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<v Speaker 2>the real killer for the fake killer's.

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<v Speaker 3>Wife, I know, I know, it's like there wasn't even

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<v Speaker 3>a brain. They're like, let's just go with Jerry.

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<v Speaker 1>So one time he forced a woman to strip down

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<v Speaker 1>and took photos of her before stealing her shoes, and

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<v Speaker 1>that one he got arrested for, and they sent him

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<v Speaker 1>to the Oregon State Hospital where he was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though he told them all about how he

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<v Speaker 1>had these fetishes and these fantasies of chopping up women

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<v Speaker 1>and keeping them in a freezer and all this shit,

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<v Speaker 1>he only spent nine months in the hospital before they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, he's sane and they let him go. They're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we fixed Timmy's good. I mean, it is this it

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<v Speaker 1>is like the sixties here, like or probably the late fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I understand that this shit was like not

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<v Speaker 1>as advanced as it is today, But Jesus, like, how

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<v Speaker 1>many people would be alive if he had just like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, been medicated or stayed in the hospital longer. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he eventually graduated high school. He tried to join the army,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was discharged for having quote unquote bizarre obsessions.

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<v Speaker 1>And then at twenty two he settles down and he

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<v Speaker 1>marries seventeen year old Darcy Metzler. This is actually the

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<v Speaker 1>ages that my in laws got married and they are

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<v Speaker 1>still in love, so thank god it were, but like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>wild to be married at seventeen and twenty two, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was in nineteen sixty one. He would ask his

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<v Speaker 1>wife to do housework naked except for a pair of

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<v Speaker 1>high heels while he took pictures. And for some this

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<v Speaker 1>might be considered like sexy, like a sexy kink for

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<v Speaker 1>a husband and wife, but according to an article in

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<v Speaker 1>that Oregon Life quote, things were decidedly non consensual. He

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<v Speaker 1>never simply asked, he demanded, So that's the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the quote. But like Darcy was like at first, she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I guess this is what I'm supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>do as a wife, and then she was like very

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<v Speaker 1>over it, and so by the time, she gave birth

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<v Speaker 1>to their second child, a son, like at first he

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<v Speaker 1>had a daughter and then he had a son, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was so excited for his son to be born,

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<v Speaker 1>and she wouldn't let him into the room during the

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<v Speaker 1>birth because she's like, you treat me like an object,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't want you to be in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>And that sent him on a spiral, apparently, and at

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<v Speaker 1>this time he started to get migraines and experience blackouts,

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<v Speaker 1>and according to him, the only cure was to go

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<v Speaker 1>out and steal more shoes and underwear. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>he starts dressing in drag in order to disassociate and

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<v Speaker 1>to escape from reality. So now his first murder is

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<v Speaker 1>in January of nineteen sixty eight, and unfortunately it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit like the coon Song thing. Linda Slawson is nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>She is selling Encyclopedia's door to door and she comes

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<v Speaker 1>to Brutos's door. So it's another case of like knocking

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<v Speaker 1>on the wrong psycho's door. His wife and his kids

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<v Speaker 1>were at home, and he lured this girl into the

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<v Speaker 1>basement somehow without them seeing lured her to the basement

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<v Speaker 1>where he knocked her out with a wooden two by

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<v Speaker 1>four and strangled her to death. Then he would dress

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<v Speaker 1>her up in underwear from his collection and pose her body.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he used a hacksaw to cut off her left foot,

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<v Speaker 1>which he kept in a freezer in a high heeled

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<v Speaker 1>shoe like modeling it, and he threw the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>her body into the Willamette River.

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<v Speaker 2>So horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>The second murder happens almost ten months later in November

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen sixty eight, when a twenty three year old

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<v Speaker 1>named Jan Susan Whitney's car breaks down on the five

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<v Speaker 1>between Salem in Albany in Oregon. Brutos offers to drive

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<v Speaker 1>her to his house so that she can call a

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<v Speaker 1>tow truck. She was actually traveling with two men. There

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<v Speaker 1>were like two hippie guys she had picked up, but

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't helping fix the car, so he picked up

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<v Speaker 1>all three of them. Then he dropped the guys off

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<v Speaker 1>and brought Jan to his own house. So he got

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<v Speaker 1>Then when he got to his house, he's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to run in and tell my wife, But

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<v Speaker 1>he got in the car behind her and strangled her

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<v Speaker 1>with a leather strap, sexually assaulted her and then kept

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<v Speaker 1>This is like so disturbing. So I'll just tell you

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<v Speaker 1>to fast forward thirty seconds if like really really disturbing stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But he kept her body hanging from a hook and

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<v Speaker 1>pulley system in his garage for several days, and he

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<v Speaker 1>dressed her up, photographed her, had sex with her. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a necrophile as well, Like he had sex with

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<v Speaker 1>her dead body, and it's so insane.

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<v Speaker 3>He was super cocky after he.

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<v Speaker 1>Got away with his first murder, Like he left her

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<v Speaker 1>there for days and days. In fact, his family went

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<v Speaker 1>away for a few days and he left her hanging there,

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<v Speaker 1>and a car crashed into his house, leaving a hole

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<v Speaker 1>big enough that if anyone had looked inside, they would

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<v Speaker 1>have seen this woman's body just dangling there. But no

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<v Speaker 1>one looked inside, including the cops. So it gets grown, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened is what happened was like after he got home.

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<v Speaker 1>He later, when he confessed all this later, he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a close one.

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<v Speaker 2>To the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, so I took her down, and I like

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped her in plastic and then and put her in

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<v Speaker 1>another building on my property. And then I invited the

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<v Speaker 1>insurance and the cops people to come back and take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at the garage, so it's like but on

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<v Speaker 1>first blush, like they really could have seen it, like

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't, and it's so it's horrible. He also

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<v Speaker 1>cut off one of her breasts and made a resin

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<v Speaker 1>mold out of it that he used as a paperweight,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an asylum the season of American Horror Story

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<v Speaker 1>if you've seen that, like Zachary Quinto's character has paper

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<v Speaker 1>weights that are made out of human breasts.

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<v Speaker 2>It's horrible. This is very ed Gean, Like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that even earlier as you talked that, go oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like Psycho, which is kind of based on

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<v Speaker 2>Edgie and likes a key. It is now the breast paperway.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is no great connection.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the articles that I read refers to him

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<v Speaker 1>as like the main character in Psycho, Like many of

1:11:12.720 --> 1:11:15.519
<v Speaker 1>them refer to him as that because he has all

1:11:15.560 --> 1:11:17.680
<v Speaker 1>these like similar tendencies and like a hatred of his

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<v Speaker 1>mother and blah blah blah. So when he then he

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<v Speaker 1>again threw the body into the Willamette River, he waged

1:11:24.120 --> 1:11:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the bodies down and then he would throw them into

1:11:25.760 --> 1:11:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the river. And he also threw in the foot from

1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the first victim because at that point it had rotted.

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<v Speaker 1>Murder Number three happens four months later, so they're getting

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<v Speaker 1>closer together because this guy's obviously like he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Turned on by these murders, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>And March of nineteen sixty nine, eighteen year old Karen

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<v Speaker 1>Sprinker is abducted at gunpoint from a parking garage, and

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<v Speaker 1>then two young girls later informed the police that a

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<v Speaker 1>large man dressed in drag was on the parking garage

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<v Speaker 1>roof on the day that Karen went missing, So that

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<v Speaker 1>was Jerry. He took her to his garage, made her

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<v Speaker 1>try on his collection, impose while he took pictures of her,

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<v Speaker 1>sexually assaulted her, and then finally strangled her by hanging

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<v Speaker 1>her body from this pulley system that he.

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<v Speaker 2>Has in his garage, which is like so horrific, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so then he again had sex with the

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<v Speaker 1>body's post mortem, more necrophilia, and then on he also

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<v Speaker 1>cut off her breast to make plastic molds with them

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<v Speaker 1>because I think the first one he said didn't turn

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<v Speaker 1>out the way he wanted it to anyway, then he

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<v Speaker 1>of course say it with me now through her body

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<v Speaker 1>into the Willamette river.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like where he goes to dump all of his bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>And now the crimes are getting.

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<v Speaker 1>So close together because it's literally a month later April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first, he attempts to kidnap Sharon Wood, aged twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>at gunpoint in a parking garage at Portland State University.

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<v Speaker 1>She fought back, bit his thumb till it broke the skin,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he beat her unconscious, and then an oncoming

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<v Speaker 1>car spooked him and he fled the scene. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>so like hard up to get another woman that he

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<v Speaker 1>tries the next day to get someone else.

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<v Speaker 3>Then it's so bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>There's on April twenty second, there's all this conflicting info.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reading info that he tried to kidnap Gloria Jean Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>who was fifteen, and also that he tried to kidnap

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<v Speaker 1>nap fourteen year old Leanne Brumley, And so some of

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<v Speaker 1>the articles I read think that this is the same victim.

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<v Speaker 2>With their name changed. So I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 2>actual name of the victim is.

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<v Speaker 1>But I looked everywhere and it's it's both names or

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<v Speaker 1>in places all over about him. But he was only

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<v Speaker 1>confessed to like there were only two attempted kidnappings, so

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<v Speaker 1>these are definitely the same one that happened on April's

1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:36.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty second. And he tried to lure this person into

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<v Speaker 1>his mother's green Volkswagen, but they escaped.

1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:41.400
<v Speaker 2>So this victim escaped, thank god.

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<v Speaker 1>But the cops like still at this point, aren't really

1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:47.800
<v Speaker 1>like connecting these these disappearances. Wow, well they haven't found

1:13:47.840 --> 1:13:51.800
<v Speaker 1>bodies yet, so they're not They're not connecting anything yet

1:13:51.800 --> 1:13:52.479
<v Speaker 1>that these women.

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<v Speaker 2>Have gone missing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then murder number four happens the day after these

1:13:57.320 --> 1:14:02.880
<v Speaker 1>two consecutive days of kid nappings. He's super desperate and

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<v Speaker 1>he abducts Linda Sale, who's twenty two, from a mall

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<v Speaker 1>parking lot. And here he uses a fake police badge

1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and says he's a cop, and it's like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>rest you for shoplifting. Get come with me, and does

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing, brings her to his garage, rape, strangle, necrophilia,

1:14:16.760 --> 1:14:17.960
<v Speaker 1>dump the body in the Willamette River.

1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:20.519
<v Speaker 3>But he also tried to This is so horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>He tries to electrocute her to make her body like

1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:27.040
<v Speaker 1>git dance or jump, but it didn't work. But he's

1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:29.400
<v Speaker 1>an electrician, like a lot of them were choked with

1:14:29.680 --> 1:14:32.679
<v Speaker 1>a copper wire. So that's like from the episode, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a link also to the sexual true crime. So the

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<v Speaker 1>next month, May of nineteen sixty nine, a fisherman finds

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<v Speaker 1>the body of victim number four, Linda Salee, in the

1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Long Tom River, and a couple days later they find

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Sprinker, victim number three's body.

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<v Speaker 3>Because Sprinker was a college.

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<v Speaker 1>Student, the police ask students at Oregon State University in

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<v Speaker 1>Corvallis about any suspicious men that have been hanging around

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever, and it turns out that Jerry had just

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<v Speaker 1>been calling random college girls, posing as a lonely Vietnam

1:15:06.320 --> 1:15:09.320
<v Speaker 1>vet and asking them on dates. And one girl who

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<v Speaker 1>talked to the police said, I actually did go on

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<v Speaker 1>a date with this guy, Jerry Brutos, and he really

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<v Speaker 1>creeped me out because on the date he asked me,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't you afraid that I'm going to strangle you? And

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<v Speaker 1>that obviously got her like, you know, red flags flapping

1:15:22.120 --> 1:15:24.080
<v Speaker 1>in the wind. They were like, okay, well, let us

1:15:24.120 --> 1:15:26.479
<v Speaker 1>know if he calls you again, and he did. He

1:15:26.600 --> 1:15:28.880
<v Speaker 1>called her again, and she had no intention of going

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<v Speaker 1>on a second date with him, but when he called

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<v Speaker 1>she set one up and then she called the cops,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they were surveilling the date, and they said

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<v Speaker 1>he strolled up to the date full confidence, not like

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<v Speaker 1>a sketchy person with someone with something to hide, like

1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:42.400
<v Speaker 1>just like, what's up, Ready for my date?

1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:44.960
<v Speaker 2>And probably excited that he was going to kill again.

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<v Speaker 2>And they won a hero yeah, college girl hero yeah, seriously, And.

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<v Speaker 1>They were interested in him as a suspect, but they

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<v Speaker 1>really had nothing to hold him under like and they

1:15:54.040 --> 1:15:56.200
<v Speaker 1>just kept him under surveillance and looked into his background

1:15:56.240 --> 1:15:58.759
<v Speaker 1>and they realized, oh my gosh, like the first victim

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<v Speaker 1>was taken like right near where he lives, and the

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<v Speaker 1>second victim, her car broke down right on a route that.

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<v Speaker 3>He would take to and from work.

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<v Speaker 1>So like they basically figured out he had full access

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<v Speaker 1>to all four victims.

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<v Speaker 3>It would have been easy for him to get to them.

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<v Speaker 2>He had.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, when he had been questioned by police, he gave

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<v Speaker 1>a false address, which increased their suspicions. They got a

1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:23.960
<v Speaker 1>warrant to search his car which had been which I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the warrant to search his car and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff is based off of the girl who he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to abduct because she lived the car had been

1:16:31.520 --> 1:16:35.560
<v Speaker 1>freshly washed, more suspicious. So then the teen who he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to abduct picked him out of a photo array,

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<v Speaker 1>so the cops went to go arrest him. On May thirtieth,

1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Brudos was arrested wearing women's underwear and was interrogated by police,

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<v Speaker 1>and even though his lawyer told him to shut the

1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:50.719
<v Speaker 1>fuck up, he confessed to everything because he wanted to brag,

1:16:50.920 --> 1:16:52.920
<v Speaker 1>like he's one of these guys like they I don't

1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:55.879
<v Speaker 1>remember exactly, but if you watched Minehunter, he is portrayed

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<v Speaker 1>in mind Hunter, and this guy loves to talk about

1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:01.799
<v Speaker 1>his crimes like he had zero guilt, zero remorse.

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<v Speaker 2>He had only remorse for himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, I'm going to jail, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for my wife and kids, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the women.

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<v Speaker 1>He apparently at one point they asked him about the women,

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<v Speaker 1>and he bawled up a piece of paper and threw

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<v Speaker 1>it away, and he's like, I feel about those women

1:17:15.240 --> 1:17:16.599
<v Speaker 1>the way I feel about that wadded up.

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<v Speaker 2>Piece of paper, like trash. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>They also said the cops that he never lost his

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<v Speaker 1>appetite despite like describing every horrific thing he did to

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<v Speaker 1>these women and their bodies after they were dead, and

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<v Speaker 1>that he said he talked about the victims like they

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<v Speaker 1>were objects that belonged to him and existed only for

1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:35.040
<v Speaker 1>his pleasure. He also told his wife Darcy, to burn

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of evidence, which girl Darcy did not do,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when the authorities came to his home and garage,

1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:43.040
<v Speaker 1>he thought like, Aha, they're never going to find anything.

1:17:43.120 --> 1:17:44.000
<v Speaker 3>My wife took care of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They found everything, they found evidence linking him to Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>they found evidence linking him to only three of the murders.

1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Even though he confessed to.

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<v Speaker 3>The first murder, that was his first murder.

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<v Speaker 1>So at that point he wasn't taking photos, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>keeping trophies yet, and so there wasn't as much evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But they found the hook and pulley system, nylon cord,

1:18:05.640 --> 1:18:09.479
<v Speaker 1>leather straps like copper wire that he had used, a

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<v Speaker 1>mold for the paperweight, that he had made, women's shoes

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<v Speaker 1>in various sizes, tons of underwear, girdles, panties, slips, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as photographs, and the photos were really graphic like

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<v Speaker 1>the photos were of him and female underwear, but were

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<v Speaker 1>also images of the victims, like one was a woman

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<v Speaker 1>suspended from the hook and pulley with a black hood

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<v Speaker 1>over her head. Another the body had been dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>several different garments and photograph and a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>in the photographs the heads had been cut out of

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<v Speaker 1>the women in the photograph so that he could just

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<v Speaker 1>look at the bodies. So that just goes to show you,

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<v Speaker 1>like how much he dehumanized the women, like their faces

1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:48.439
<v Speaker 1>and heads, like just like didn't really mean anything. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the photos that Anne Rule wrote about in her

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<v Speaker 1>book was of quote, a girl's body clothes in a

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<v Speaker 1>black lace slip and panties with garters hung suspended from

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<v Speaker 1>the ceiling, the camera angled up to her crotch, reflected

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<v Speaker 1>in a mute on the floor. In the lower corner

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<v Speaker 1>of the photo there was the frozen image of a

1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:07.600
<v Speaker 1>killer caught unawares in the mirror end of quote. So

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<v Speaker 1>the photo was Brutos in the photo looking up at

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<v Speaker 1>the woman he had just murdered. So he like caught

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<v Speaker 1>himself on camera, so like he and he confessed to

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<v Speaker 1>all four.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately he did not.

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<v Speaker 1>He was never prosecuted for the murder of Linda Slawson

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<v Speaker 1>and her body was never found, So if her body

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<v Speaker 1>had been found and they'd been able to make like

1:19:27.600 --> 1:19:30.799
<v Speaker 1>forensic matches, but her body was never found, his lawyers

1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:33.920
<v Speaker 1>attempted a mental illness defense, and he, like you know,

1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:37.360
<v Speaker 1>tried to whine and like fake, cried to convince psychiatrists

1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:39.519
<v Speaker 1>that he was the victim of a terrible mother, but

1:19:39.640 --> 1:19:41.360
<v Speaker 1>most of them were like, no, you just feel sorry

1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:45.040
<v Speaker 1>for yourself. He claimed that in nineteen sixty seven, the

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<v Speaker 1>year before he started murdering, that he'd been electrocuted because

1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:49.920
<v Speaker 1>he was an electrician, and he said that's when his

1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:52.880
<v Speaker 1>headaches started, and he said he couldn't control himself, and

1:19:52.960 --> 1:19:56.320
<v Speaker 1>he fantasized about keeping women in their corpses in freezers,

1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to be able to dress and pose

1:19:57.920 --> 1:20:01.240
<v Speaker 1>them like they were dolls essentially, And he said if

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<v Speaker 1>he went to a hospital, he knows he'd get better

1:20:03.760 --> 1:20:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and he could get out and raise.

1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:05.400
<v Speaker 2>His own kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Like so he was like arrogant and delulu this man.

1:20:09.240 --> 1:20:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Seven psychiatrists assessed him and said that he absolutely has

1:20:12.640 --> 1:20:14.920
<v Speaker 1>a personality disorder, but always knew that what he was

1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:17.720
<v Speaker 1>doing was wrong, So they're like, yes, he had antisocial

1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:21.880
<v Speaker 1>personality disorder, which many psychopaths have, but was not legally

1:20:21.960 --> 1:20:25.040
<v Speaker 1>insane or psychotic. He knew what he did was illegal,

1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and he knew what was wrong, and they said there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way he can be rehabilitated. So after consulting with

1:20:30.400 --> 1:20:32.880
<v Speaker 1>his attorneys, who were like, bro, you are it is

1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:35.160
<v Speaker 1>a dead end for you, he changed his plea to

1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:37.800
<v Speaker 1>guilty and the murders of Jan Whitney, Karen Sprinker, and

1:20:37.840 --> 1:20:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Linda Saley. Whitney's body was recovered the month after he

1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:44.240
<v Speaker 1>was convicted, but they were able to charge her based

1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:47.400
<v Speaker 1>on photos and evidence and stuff. But unfortunately, Linda Slawson's

1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:50.880
<v Speaker 1>body was never found in so he was never prosecuted

1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:53.479
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, he took no photos of her. He was

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to three consecutive terms of life imprisonment with the

1:20:57.000 --> 1:21:01.640
<v Speaker 1>chance of parole, which is crazy, but he appealed and

1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:04.840
<v Speaker 1>went before the Pearl board a billion times, and then

1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:07.360
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety five they were like, you're never getting out.

1:21:07.439 --> 1:21:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Just FYI, like you're never getting out, so and they

1:21:10.160 --> 1:21:11.960
<v Speaker 1>assured the families he's never getting out.

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<v Speaker 3>So and his prison cell was filled with shoe catalogs.

1:21:15.600 --> 1:21:17.280
<v Speaker 1>He would like ride away for them and like get

1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:21.439
<v Speaker 1>shoe companies to send him shoe catalogs, so a sickness

1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:25.080
<v Speaker 1>even in punishment. And he died in prison in two

1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:27.679
<v Speaker 1>thousand and six of liver cancer after serving thirty seven

1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:31.000
<v Speaker 1>years in prison. And I believe I read something like

1:21:31.080 --> 1:21:33.800
<v Speaker 1>he was one of the longest kept offenders in prison

1:21:33.960 --> 1:21:36.000
<v Speaker 1>in Oregon or something at the time of his death,

1:21:36.120 --> 1:21:39.200
<v Speaker 1>so he definitely served a lot of time before he died.

1:21:39.280 --> 1:21:43.480
<v Speaker 1>But like, truly one of the sickest cases I've read about.

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<v Speaker 3>And what And it's weird.

1:21:46.680 --> 1:21:50.040
<v Speaker 1>There's not like I don't know, there's not like good

1:21:50.160 --> 1:21:52.680
<v Speaker 1>docks and stuff about him. It's like almost maybe too

1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:54.440
<v Speaker 1>much like people.

1:21:54.280 --> 1:21:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I've never really heard of him. Was it Season one

1:21:57.240 --> 1:22:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of Mine Hunter? I think so, because I don't even

1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:04.320
<v Speaker 2>remember that. This is sick, dude, This is like fucking

1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:06.639
<v Speaker 2>movie level gross.

1:22:06.760 --> 1:22:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they I read the actor's name. They told

1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:11.519
<v Speaker 1>me they wrote they said somewhere of who played him

1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:12.160
<v Speaker 1>in mind Hunter.

1:22:12.320 --> 1:22:17.639
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's uh, super fun.

1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:21.120
<v Speaker 1>And it's just like the guy was so not remorseful,

1:22:21.439 --> 1:22:23.880
<v Speaker 1>not like I'm sick, not like you know what I mean,

1:22:24.080 --> 1:22:26.759
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like, yep, I did it and wanted

1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:27.519
<v Speaker 1>to brag about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And dude, ugh, yeah, the shoe fetish slayer.

1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was portrayed by an actor named Happy Anderson

1:22:37.840 --> 1:22:39.840
<v Speaker 1>in uh season one of Mine Hunter.

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<v Speaker 2>It was episode seven and eight.

1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:45.479
<v Speaker 1>And Wikipedia says, and I'm not sure whether this stuff

1:22:45.520 --> 1:22:48.960
<v Speaker 1>is ever real that Ted Levine, who played Buffalo Bill

1:22:49.200 --> 1:22:53.280
<v Speaker 1>in Silence Little Lambs, partially based his performance on Brutos

1:22:53.439 --> 1:22:55.040
<v Speaker 1>but fucking sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for doing that. Yeah, and join us for

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<v Speaker 2>a host mortem that will be sicker than ever.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, Still no guests today because we are standing

1:23:10.040 --> 1:23:12.519
<v Speaker 1>union strong. Hopefully as of the time of this release

1:23:12.520 --> 1:23:14.519
<v Speaker 1>of this episode, the SAG strike will be over, but

1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:17.920
<v Speaker 1>it has not ended yet. Actually, were we did a

1:23:18.000 --> 1:23:20.280
<v Speaker 1>while ago have a guest lined up for this episode.

1:23:20.320 --> 1:23:22.240
<v Speaker 1>We were supposed to talk to the woman who plays

1:23:22.280 --> 1:23:26.439
<v Speaker 1>the mother, who I always thought of as you know,

1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the iconic Blair Waldorf's mother from Gossip Girl. But we

1:23:31.080 --> 1:23:34.160
<v Speaker 1>did find out through doing research on her that she

1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:36.280
<v Speaker 1>is anti choice and that's just if you know.

1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:39.599
<v Speaker 2>You know us, and that's not the vibe of this podcast.

1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:43.679
<v Speaker 2>So we decided wildly anti choice. It's like very loud.

1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, she's loudly anti choice. Wow. So we were like,

1:23:48.400 --> 1:23:50.640
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like we had to even dig. It was like,

1:23:51.280 --> 1:23:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and this is the number one thing I care about

1:23:54.160 --> 1:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>church results.

1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it wasn't like in my free time, I

1:23:58.760 --> 1:24:02.680
<v Speaker 1>enjoy knitting going on and uh protesting women's rights, you know,

1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>like that.

1:24:03.360 --> 1:24:05.559
<v Speaker 2>It was it was the number one thing that she likes,

1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:10.120
<v Speaker 2>so wed not to do that. You know, and in

1:24:10.200 --> 1:24:14.080
<v Speaker 2>this episode she is very anti choice. No, I don't know.

1:24:14.280 --> 1:24:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna make a connection to like she didn't

1:24:17.439 --> 1:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>let her son just like feet, but that you know,

1:24:19.920 --> 1:24:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that's trivializing of course. Yu. Listen, this episode is so good.

1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:29.640
<v Speaker 2>It's SVU and like shocking. It's twisted, it's kind of

1:24:29.760 --> 1:24:34.280
<v Speaker 2>it's messy, it's layered, there's twists. It's like a really

1:24:34.400 --> 1:24:37.960
<v Speaker 2>good fucking classic yeah episode.

1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's got, it's got all as usual, Olivia

1:24:42.439 --> 1:24:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Benson flexing her knowledge of luxury goods. She knows how

1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:49.559
<v Speaker 1>much things cost. Okay, she she might be a cop,

1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>but she likes the finer things in life.

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<v Speaker 2>What I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the big post mortem takeaway for me here is like, yeah,

1:24:56.200 --> 1:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>let your fucking kids like what they like. I guess

1:24:59.400 --> 1:25:02.920
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter, but I mean Jerry Brutos's mom, it

1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:05.479
<v Speaker 1>seems like was just mad at him for being a boy,

1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and so like she degraded him and made him like,

1:25:10.720 --> 1:25:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, wear girl's clothing. I guess says that I

1:25:13.439 --> 1:25:18.720
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't do go that root because that seems well, that's

1:25:18.800 --> 1:25:21.479
<v Speaker 1>like you turned him into a serial killer. Yeah, don't

1:25:21.560 --> 1:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>force your kids to do anything. Don't force them to

1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:27.400
<v Speaker 1>like any kind of I literally just now posted for shoes.

1:25:27.560 --> 1:25:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I need shoes for my four year

1:25:29.439 --> 1:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>old on my bicell trade group on on a Facebook

1:25:34.320 --> 1:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>and was like, I need shoes for my ten year old.

1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:38.600
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't like any new shoes, so I need to

1:25:38.640 --> 1:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>buy her like worn in shoes and she's not fem

1:25:41.439 --> 1:25:42.599
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't like anything fem.

1:25:42.720 --> 1:25:44.479
<v Speaker 3>So I need blue, I need gray, I need.

1:25:44.400 --> 1:25:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Black, I need red you know wait, and she needs

1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:51.360
<v Speaker 1>them worn in, Like the the best shoes she likes

1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:53.880
<v Speaker 1>are the ones for that I get her from this

1:25:54.080 --> 1:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>consignment store that's over in Eagle Rock, because she likes

1:25:57.360 --> 1:25:59.559
<v Speaker 1>she like if I get her new ones from Target,

1:25:59.560 --> 1:26:02.479
<v Speaker 1>which I have many times, she's like they're too tight,

1:26:02.600 --> 1:26:03.879
<v Speaker 1>like she doesn't like the stiffness.

1:26:03.920 --> 1:26:05.920
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think she understands the concept of breaking

1:26:06.040 --> 1:26:10.400
<v Speaker 2>in shoes. So yeah, but you know, such a little

1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:15.160
<v Speaker 2>particular angel she really is, and you know what she needs? Well, no,

1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:16.679
<v Speaker 2>because I digs you for forever.

1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:17.360
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1:26:17.600 --> 1:26:20.680
<v Speaker 2>She famously just wore these nikes with full white big

1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:23.000
<v Speaker 2>socks and I was just like, why is this happening?

1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:25.720
<v Speaker 2>And then I found out it was her choice, and yeah,

1:26:25.720 --> 1:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I like that. I was like, why is my friend

1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:28.400
<v Speaker 2>doing this?

1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:30.679
<v Speaker 3>No, I am very much trying.

1:26:30.800 --> 1:26:34.760
<v Speaker 6>Like so many places, it's like so much work, it's

1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:37.800
<v Speaker 6>hot out or going to the pool, like, oh my god,

1:26:39.720 --> 1:26:41.679
<v Speaker 6>she it's ninety five degrees.

1:26:41.720 --> 1:26:42.040
<v Speaker 4>In La.

1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:45.200
<v Speaker 1>She will only wear long sleeve shirts with short sleeve

1:26:45.240 --> 1:26:49.200
<v Speaker 1>shirts over them, and then a jacket and then long pants,

1:26:49.400 --> 1:26:52.320
<v Speaker 1>socks and shoes like she is. I don't know how

1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>she could ever live anywhere else but La. She's freezing

1:26:55.160 --> 1:26:55.639
<v Speaker 1>all the time.

1:26:55.720 --> 1:26:58.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess, is she? What is it? And she keeps

1:26:58.840 --> 1:27:01.519
<v Speaker 2>them on? Are they so king wet? When she comes home?

1:27:01.720 --> 1:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Does she get she does? She off the layers.

1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:06.880
<v Speaker 1>She'll take off just the jacket at school at the

1:27:07.000 --> 1:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, usually like when she's at after school,

1:27:09.200 --> 1:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and then when I pick her up, she's like, I'm sweaty,

1:27:10.960 --> 1:27:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, yeah, I know, what are you doing?

1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like I don't, I don't try to, Like,

1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I know you all are, like, what about that time

1:27:19.439 --> 1:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>you made her wear a dress for your brother's wedding.

1:27:21.360 --> 1:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>That was the last time I did that, And that was,

1:27:23.439 --> 1:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, fourteen months ago. She's never worn a dress since,

1:27:25.760 --> 1:27:27.880
<v Speaker 1>and she probably won't wear a dress again until she

1:27:28.280 --> 1:27:32.679
<v Speaker 1>has a full you know, I don't know, maybe's Daniel,

1:27:33.760 --> 1:27:37.120
<v Speaker 1>she's maybe have Bluey wears a dress. Yeah, she's not

1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:39.880
<v Speaker 1>even influenced by friends because her best friend is like

1:27:39.960 --> 1:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the girliest girl ever and she's just like not about

1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>that life. And her best friend eats oysters. She's four

1:27:45.360 --> 1:27:47.519
<v Speaker 1>years old. This girl she eats oysters. She eats sushi,

1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:52.719
<v Speaker 1>eat rosy pasta. So yeah, not a follower, but also

1:27:53.000 --> 1:27:55.360
<v Speaker 1>also totally a follower in a lot of ways. But yeah,

1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>let your kids fucking do what they want so that

1:27:57.320 --> 1:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't turn them into serial killers.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>She's already obsessed with skeletons. I don't need to help

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<v Speaker 1>her get any more creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I know that is a particular genre of

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<v Speaker 2>girl that like loves nightmare before Christmas and Jack Skellington.

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<v Speaker 2>It is just like a little gothic type and I

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of I like it a lot, but

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't my main thing. But like our friend's sister,

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<v Speaker 2>what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, my best friend from home just sent this to

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<v Speaker 1>my best friend from home just sent this to Oscar

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<v Speaker 1>and Rosie. It's Ogie Boogie from Wow from Nightmare before

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas because they love it. That's just funny that you

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<v Speaker 1>brought that up, because Jared just texted me that five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But what were you saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Nothing, that's just like a particular genre of person

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. Oh and then well you we'll have to

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<v Speaker 2>wait for next week, but you are You've been in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of the harvest festival at Rosie's school and can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to hear the full rundown of harvest fest.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, the harvest festival.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing I have left to do is get

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<v Speaker 1>pumpkins and hay bales. And I'm just going around to

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<v Speaker 1>businesses begging them to donate pumpkins and heybales, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>honestly getting ghosted by this woman that runs a pumpkin

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<v Speaker 1>batch and I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, just tell me. No, she's just not answering me.

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<v Speaker 2>Any people aren't good at communicating in that way. They

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<v Speaker 2>would rather just ruin your life. Where did you go

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<v Speaker 2>on the mom group ask for pumpkins?

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<v Speaker 3>I should?

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<v Speaker 2>I should? That's my next move, that's my next move.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's funny. We will not stop talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Halloween and we can't. And what's so funny is that

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<v Speaker 2>we're then going to live through Halloween and then one

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<v Speaker 2>then talk about it again.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be our December first episode and will be like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I had the best Halloween.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we'll talk about the Roney finale.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is so far away.

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<v Speaker 1>But listen, guys, this is how it works when we

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<v Speaker 1>have to be putting out quality podcasts for you, performing

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<v Speaker 1>quality shows for.

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<v Speaker 3>You live I love.

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<v Speaker 2>How's that?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, no reviews there.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you'll have to wait for another You'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait for another season of the Ultimatum Queer Love.

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<v Speaker 2>With someone I was stoned and instead of Ultimatum Queer Love,

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<v Speaker 2>I said it was a show called Ultimate Queers.

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<v Speaker 3>The Ultimate Queers in a queer SmackDown.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that, and we really cracked up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I want to watch and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we have to give a shout out to a

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<v Speaker 1>fellow exactly right person. But our friend Roz Hernandez is

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<v Speaker 1>hosting a show with Kristen Stewart that's like a gay

1:30:31.360 --> 1:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>ghost hunting show, a queer ghost hunting show, and I

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<v Speaker 1>love that it's called Living for the Dead on Hulu.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's just a shout out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to check it out very soon, but hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you guys will watch it as well, because Roz is

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<v Speaker 1>like side splittingly funny and I'm sure that her hunting

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<v Speaker 1>for ghosts with another Twilight vampire is a great idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Wait, does Kristens do whatever turn into

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<v Speaker 1>a vampire? I'm not familiar with the show.

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<v Speaker 4>She does, she does, she does?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Casey very familiar with the cannon? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>a twy hard? No?

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<v Speaker 5>But my group of friends was very into Twilight in

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<v Speaker 5>college and I have I did go to every single

1:31:07.240 --> 1:31:09.800
<v Speaker 5>movie at the midnight showing in college. Wow, I at

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<v Speaker 5>least have a working knowledge of Twilight.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Casey, wow wow wow wow wow.

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<v Speaker 2>The most actually just watched a compilation of Like a

1:31:19.360 --> 1:31:22.519
<v Speaker 2>Carousel on Instagram of Robert Pattinson talking about how much

1:31:22.560 --> 1:31:27.000
<v Speaker 2>he hates Twilight. In every interview he like hates it

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<v Speaker 2>and hates being in it and thinks it is trash.

1:31:29.680 --> 1:31:33.000
<v Speaker 2>And there was like a full carousel ten of him

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<v Speaker 2>just hating it during press jun kits.

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<v Speaker 1>When I worked at MTV, when a new movie would

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<v Speaker 1>come out, it was like all we could talk about

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<v Speaker 1>at work for weeks, and then they would go to

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego Comic Con and it would just be like

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<v Speaker 1>people getting crushed and like it just was such a

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<v Speaker 1>beatles thing with the fucking Twilight that I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>glad I.

1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Was never really a part of No.

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<v Speaker 2>I really wasn't a part of Harry Potter, Lord of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rings. I lay Hunger Games pitted out for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know though, that's I guess I did read

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<v Speaker 2>all the Hunger Games books. I did do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm pleasing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what franchise I really like outside the Housewives?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a movie franchise I've seen them all of

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<v Speaker 2>I think Saw has good acting. Okay, let's go aha.

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<v Speaker 3>Jared just saw Saw ten and said it was bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see it, Casey?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I heard that one is actually pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what everybody said. That's why he went.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, everybody's saying Saw ten is good, and I go,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you didn't like torture porn, and he goes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's supposed to be good, and I go, Okay. He

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<v Speaker 3>comes in from watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, how was it?

1:32:37.360 --> 1:32:38.479
<v Speaker 3>He goes, it was torture porn?

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, but the first one is so cool, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the trap on the head, that's scary.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't watched any of them, are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's like this wild trap on this woman's head

1:32:52.680 --> 1:32:55.600
<v Speaker 2>and she there's like a puzzle of some sort of

1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>a timer and she has to that like unlock this thing,

1:32:59.000 --> 1:33:01.559
<v Speaker 2>and if not, or a whole like john Face gets

1:33:01.640 --> 1:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>ripped open by this metal contraption and so it's like

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<v Speaker 2>so stressful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would be stressful. I fucking hate that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of shit. All right, speaking of you know, let's move

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<v Speaker 1>on to what would Sister Peg do? This is our

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<v Speaker 1>weekly segment where we direct you to an article, an organization,

1:33:20.600 --> 1:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>a book, something to give you more info about what

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about today. And this week, we wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>point you to the book Lust Killer by Ann Rule

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to know more about Jerry Brudos, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why you need to know more, but

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<v Speaker 1>some people, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I read a whole book on the Green River Killer.

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<v Speaker 3>I've read books on Ted Bundy, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And Anne Rule was, as we mentioned, Ted Bundy's like

1:33:38.840 --> 1:33:41.760
<v Speaker 1>pal before he got busted. So she wrote a book

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<v Speaker 1>about Jerry Brudos called The Lust Killer. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to know more about old Jerry, read Lust Killer.

1:33:47.920 --> 1:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>And that will be as always, that will be saved

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<v Speaker 1>on our highlights on our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page,

1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>and we'll post it on our stories the day the

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<v Speaker 1>episode comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>And next week we'll be doing solitary Season eleven, episode three.

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<v Speaker 2>The SVU never stops. We're obsessed with all of you.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're wondering where you can watch, it's Hulu,

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<v Speaker 2>It's Peacock, It's a VPN peace out. Oh my god,

1:34:12.080 --> 1:34:13.680
<v Speaker 2>care I found a childhood photo of me and on

1:34:13.800 --> 1:34:18.120
<v Speaker 2>the TV screen is UPN like it like it says no,

1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:22.759
<v Speaker 2>It's like at the moment, wait and now you're watching EPN,

1:34:23.400 --> 1:34:27.120
<v Speaker 2>I will It's I'll show yeah, I will because I

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<v Speaker 2>do love UPN.

1:34:29.840 --> 1:34:32.679
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for Lisa watching UPN. Thank you guys for listening,

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