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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up NSFU podcast. I'm Kara
Speaker 1: Klank and I'm Liza Traeger and we're coming to you
Speaker 1: live still from a Cleveland, Ohio hotel room. The illusion
Speaker 1: is gone, the fourth wall is crumbled, and I do
Speaker 1: have to apologize ahead of time.
Speaker 2: I fucked up the audio for this. I was ripping
Speaker 2: the card out Lucy Goosey no lube did not take
Speaker 2: care of the zoom recorders. So audio will sound bad,
Speaker 2: but it's okay because it happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she just won't sound as you know,
Speaker 1: Chris perfect as I sound, I guess coming.
Speaker 2: From my garage. Crispy Cracker, Crispy Cracker. Okay, I have
Speaker 2: something to say. So, so I went with my sister
Speaker 2: and her husband to a place I've passed a bunch
Speaker 2: and it said Relax Center and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: a photo like a picture of the refluck flexology feet
Speaker 2: and like it's a massage place. And they're like, it's
Speaker 2: the best massages. You keep your clothes on. It was
Speaker 2: one of the best experiences of my life. If you
Speaker 2: are a skokey person and you need information or scoop,
Speaker 2: you can DM me and I will, I will, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what's up. But man, did it relax? I
Speaker 2: mean I was drooling.
Speaker 3: It was the most slown massage.
Speaker 2: Well, it's mostly like a foot thing, right, So first
Speaker 2: you lay on your back and your feet go in
Speaker 2: a tub of like warm water, and then he works
Speaker 2: your head, arms, shoulder, vibes. Then it's legs, and then
Speaker 2: each foot truly gets so much time. I mean, I
Speaker 2: was stoned out of my mind. But at one point
Speaker 2: I was like so sad that it was ending, and
Speaker 2: then I remembered I had another leg and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: thank God, and so then so then he did the
Speaker 2: other leg and then filipped. Then you get to flip
Speaker 2: over and then it's like regular backstuff, and it's like
Speaker 2: I was transported. Wow.
Speaker 1: I love a good massage. I never get them enough,
Speaker 1: but I do love them.
Speaker 2: And my sister, well, they're regulars. They love it. I would.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I've never even it's by the
Speaker 2: Lover's Lane, and so to me, that's the Lover's Lane plaza.
Speaker 2: I don't really think about it. And so then to
Speaker 2: have this kind of gem there is incredible, amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Well this segues perfectly. Maybe when we're
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Actually, as of this episode coming out, we
Speaker 1: will have just been in Chicago. But tonight we are
Speaker 1: going to be in Minneapolis, and we're gonna there Casey.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see Casey, our producer, producer Casey live and
Speaker 1: in person and probably on stage. Come on down, guys,
Speaker 1: come to the show. Oh my god, we should totally
Speaker 1: play a game. We should do a game. Are you
Speaker 1: gonna come?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Where you have to pick between us fun questions.
Speaker 1: Ah, oh, like the one on TikTok where they go
Speaker 1: who does this?
Speaker 3: Who does that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh no, you yeah, you have to play. You're the
Speaker 1: contestant we made We're.
Speaker 4: Gonna make it up.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna We're gonna do this all right.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is tomorrow. Well, Milwaukee, we've never come to you.
Speaker 1: We've always gone to Madison, but this time we decided
Speaker 1: to come to you and Madison, so come to us
Speaker 1: tomorrow night and then Thursday or what. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: don't know what day of the week it will be,
Speaker 1: but the ninth will be in Saint Louis, and then
Speaker 1: Sacramento on December thirteenth. New York on the sixteenth, with
Speaker 1: a second late show added.
Speaker 2: It's not even a late show. It's at nine.
Speaker 1: Come go get dinner and then come to our nine
Speaker 1: o'clock show, and then Philly on the seventeenth, and the
Speaker 1: Wet Comedy Festival in Seattle on January seventh, but Lisa
Speaker 1: will be there also doing stand up on the sixth.
Speaker 1: So yes, January six January sixth, baby, I did have.
Speaker 2: Something to say about Lovers Lane. So I had a
Speaker 2: friend who did get She works there and she got
Speaker 2: a concussion because a box of Dildo's did fall on
Speaker 2: her head. What and then she got a second concussion
Speaker 2: that week too. It was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: That is some fucking sitcom shit. Are you talking a
Speaker 1: box at Dildo's falling on your head?
Speaker 2: Well, the funniest heavy was her nameplate said anal specialist,
Speaker 2: which I love.
Speaker 3: Love that.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jared just got rid of all these fucking books
Speaker 1: in my house. I've been asking him to get rid
Speaker 1: of for ten years.
Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like when I met you, guys, you
Speaker 2: were you were making him get rid of books. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's a constant battles, you just trying to get.
Speaker 1: Yes, because it's like, you know how you like little
Speaker 1: Chochkey's and just like memorabilia and stuff like that. For him,
Speaker 1: that's books like our house would be flooded for Florida's ceiling.
Speaker 2: Books if I wasn't like get rid of these.
Speaker 1: And I get that there's some books you want to
Speaker 1: keep forever, but it's like most of them, it's like,
Speaker 1: once you've read it, I don't think you're going to
Speaker 1: revisit this book about life in the Renaissance again, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Let's get rid of it.
Speaker 2: So are there some that have always that have lasted
Speaker 2: throughout the years that are just the name stays. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He actually has like these wild books that are like
Speaker 1: really big that are like the Big Book of serial Killers,
Speaker 1: the Big Book of Monsters, the Big Book of the
Speaker 1: like they're like more like reference books like encyclopedias for
Speaker 1: creepy shit that he's into. But honestly, and then like
Speaker 1: I keep some we have like some Shakespeare and stuff
Speaker 1: that I figure.
Speaker 3: Maybe my kids will have to read one day or something.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: We have some classics, but like my book collection has
Speaker 1: gotten so small and his is just like constantly growing.
Speaker 1: It has to be tamped down. It's hard being married
Speaker 1: to a nerd. Everybody difficult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess it's like books and games is
Speaker 2: a little better than like full blown action figures. I
Speaker 2: think that would drive you crazy. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He has like he doesn't have that stuff, Like all
Speaker 1: his dice and shit stays out in the garage. But
Speaker 1: this is I was actually watching yesterday before I left
Speaker 1: for the airport.
Speaker 3: He was watching a horror movie.
Speaker 1: He was watching Halloween four, and I was like, the
Speaker 1: acting was so bad, and I was like, are there
Speaker 1: horror movies with good acting? Like this is so bad?
Speaker 1: And he was like, I don't know if there's slasher
Speaker 1: movies with good acting, but there are definitely, And then
Speaker 1: I was like, obviously Hereditary, I know our Queen Tony Collette.
Speaker 1: I know there are some, but like, what's a horror
Speaker 1: movie that you think of that has he goes maybe scream,
Speaker 1: I go, I mean, I guess that's good act but
Speaker 1: that's such a comedy that's like a comedy to me, like, okay,
Speaker 1: I have some I would say get Out, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, scary and good acting. I would say it
Speaker 2: follows is like it's really creepy and scary and good acting.
Speaker 2: Like you really I that movie. I've only actually seen
Speaker 2: once and I really am scared to ever see it again.
Speaker 2: And it came up I think it's on one of
Speaker 2: the streamers, so the previews started playing, and just that shivers.
Speaker 2: Is that the thing?
Speaker 1: Is that the one where like you get a demon
Speaker 1: or something and then you have to give it to
Speaker 1: someone else. Yeah, but it's through.
Speaker 2: So it's like if you have sex and then this
Speaker 2: like thing follows and you can't get rid of it
Speaker 2: until you have sex with someone else and then it
Speaker 2: follows them. But then I shouldn't remember more because I
Speaker 2: was so scared.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's nodding, He's like, that's the gist.
Speaker 2: I want to think of others. I mean, it's not
Speaker 2: good acting, but I love The Human Centipede.
Speaker 1: Okay, Like I can't even finish the trailer for The
Speaker 1: Human Centipede.
Speaker 3: It horrifies me. Like, but I do think, like I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, or Eleton Key the Ring maybe blair Witch.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, blair Witch, you know, not famously. I thought
Speaker 2: blair Witch was real, so that is good acting. My
Speaker 2: brother in law actually took me to that and he
Speaker 2: was horrified. And we also went to one where it
Speaker 2: was like the Ten Commandments were happening to people and
Speaker 2: he really would get scared. It's pretty funny. What other
Speaker 2: I it's just a classic.
Speaker 1: One week after Halloween horror movie review, hear it that's
Speaker 1: messed up?
Speaker 3: Were nothing if not timely.
Speaker 2: Because now I love a challenge, I love a list.
Speaker 2: I love this. Yeah, you know that's why when I
Speaker 2: but I guess that's more of a yeah.
Speaker 1: More of like a thriller, like thrillers to me, yes,
Speaker 1: the acting like has to be good. But like when
Speaker 1: I watch these like these like old seventies and eighties
Speaker 1: like horror movies that my husband's watching all the time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this acting is so bad that I almost
Speaker 1: don't care if these people die. I know that sounds bad,
Speaker 1: but like tell their actors. It makes me feel like
Speaker 1: it's fake, you know, if it's like if it's like
Speaker 1: Hereditary or some movie like that, like were like the
Speaker 1: people everything seemed so real that the science, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Sixth Sense was oh yeah, yeah, oh man, remember seeing
Speaker 1: the Sixth Sense before you knew anything about like the
Speaker 1: twist that was a.
Speaker 4: That was well.
Speaker 2: Rosie O'Donnell famously ruined it for everybody for that. In
Speaker 2: Fight Club, she straight up was like on her show
Speaker 2: hosting and she goes, I don't know. With Fight Club
Speaker 2: it's different than Sixth Sense because he goes, he gives
Speaker 2: the business card, and I just remember Rosy O'Donnell kind
Speaker 2: of doing that on national television. I was like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck is Like I even as a kid, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I was in junior high.
Speaker 3: When did those come out spoiled?
Speaker 2: Oh maybe they didn't come out at the same time.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but h two.
Speaker 1: Oh Halloween h two? Oh yeah, Like I can't remember,
Speaker 1: Like I definitely saw the Halloween that came out, the
Speaker 1: one with the oh what you know.
Speaker 2: What movie really scared me is the taking of Deborah Logan.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is that? That feels like you improvised it?
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: It is so scary. Hold on, my husband's name is
Speaker 2: Jared Logan. I'm sending you screenshots. It's the most fucked
Speaker 2: up movie. Okay, hold on, I'm gonna send you a
Speaker 2: crazy screenshot. Do you think I can send it into
Speaker 2: the notes? Okay?
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm just gonna do a link. Hold on,
Speaker 1: because I'm sending Jared a text. Have you ever seen
Speaker 1: the taking of Jared? Have you ever seen the taking
Speaker 1: of Deborah Logan? I almost said the taking of Jared Logan.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to share a screen, which is embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I think zoom has been out for years. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna chat you the Google Oh my god, why can't
Speaker 2: I can't even find the chata. Okay, I say, it's
Speaker 2: just a Google image thing. But then just scroll though,
Speaker 2: I don't want to see this, Lady, scroll down and
Speaker 2: then to the right and stuff.
Speaker 3: What the fuck, Liza?
Speaker 1: No, Okay, I just sent Jared that text and then
Speaker 1: I saw that, and then what popped up was Jared
Speaker 1: has notification silenced.
Speaker 3: So he read that text.
Speaker 2: It was like not now, Yeah, I don't even know
Speaker 2: how to silence. Everyone's always silencing their shit, but I'm
Speaker 2: always on my phone. I don't need to silence anything.
Speaker 2: So I watched this with a few people and then
Speaker 2: I had to walk home. I was living in Williamsburg
Speaker 2: and I went to someone's house in Willomsburg and then
Speaker 2: I had to walk home, and I was so scared.
Speaker 2: I kept like jumping into Bodega's to like get myself
Speaker 2: together because I was just like stoned, scared, terrified. That
Speaker 2: one's scared, but I get scared. I one time we
Speaker 2: were on a flight and Matteo was in front of
Speaker 2: me and I screamed so loud that he slowly picked
Speaker 2: up his head and like gave me the dirtiest look.
Speaker 2: And I was watching The Gift with Jason Bateman. No,
Speaker 2: that movie has jump scares. That movie has jump scares.
Speaker 2: I saw that movie, and that movie has jump scares.
Speaker 2: It is scary. I give you that one.
Speaker 1: Also, I saw The Conjuring in the theater with Jared
Speaker 1: and I screamed like a cartoon character at a point
Speaker 1: that everybody in the theater was like, what's going on.
Speaker 1: But along the lines of your Williamsburg thing, you know.
Speaker 1: After I saw Blair Witch, I was living, I was
Speaker 1: at camp. I was a counselor. So I saw it
Speaker 1: and then I had to go back to my tent
Speaker 1: in the woods, like it was terrifying.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. Because also my brother.
Speaker 1: Had told me that it was real, so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's found footage, like it's based on this documentary that
Speaker 1: they found that these kids were making. And I was like,
Speaker 1: wait what. So I went to it thinking it was real.
Speaker 1: Jared said, no, I heard it was bad. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's your great grandma Deborah Logan.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't even put that together. Send him that
Speaker 2: photo of her like eating the person, and I fok.
Speaker 2: And then I'll be like, and what do you think
Speaker 2: about this?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 2: Casey, you're a huge horror guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, do you like the taking of Deborah Logan?
Speaker 5: I've never heard of this movie before. Oh wow, it
Speaker 5: looks scary. It looks it says it's set in Virginia.
Speaker 5: Isn't Jared from West Ja?
Speaker 4: What theod? What he goes?
Speaker 3: What's crazy? Is is it? It's about my great aunt?
Speaker 2: Wait? Casey? What are the horror movies that have good acting?
Speaker 4: The Exorcist is really good acting.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: The Shining, Oh, the Shining for sure.
Speaker 3: The Shining is so good.
Speaker 5: I just feel like there was so many like comically
Speaker 5: bad horror movies in the eighties that just don't have
Speaker 5: a lot of good acting.
Speaker 4: So I don't think you're wrong, Kara.
Speaker 2: But now you reminded me Chainsaw Massacre is great acting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh really that one scared me. Oh yeah, she's like
Speaker 2: running out the Yeah, it's like pretty well.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Well guys, listen, there's only fifty one more weeks until
Speaker 1: Halloween forty twenty four, so I'm glad we could cover this.
Speaker 2: Should we get our humiliating Are we doing this in November?
Speaker 2: It really is? It really is, But I you know what,
Speaker 2: time is just an illusion, That's what I say. Literally,
Speaker 2: there are things to haunt us all around us. But
Speaker 2: let's let's another reminder.
Speaker 1: Go to That's Messed Up live dot com see us live,
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Speaker 1: a really I hate to say one of my favorite episodes,
Speaker 1: but I do really like this episode a lot.
Speaker 2: We're doing Tortured, season four, episode sixteen. It came out
Speaker 2: on Valentine's Day. That would have been a romantic night in.
Speaker 2: That would have been nice cozying up with a spouse
Speaker 2: and watching a nice little Torture SVU. And this episode
Speaker 2: I always get I always think this episode Tortured is
Speaker 2: going to be the episode inherit, which is where the
Speaker 2: because isn't that one about feet two? Or no? It's
Speaker 2: just about no.
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a mother and a son thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's like the mother something that is like
Speaker 1: what always reminds me of it?
Speaker 3: But I, oh, I do the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: I always think torture inheritance. But whatever, this one is
Speaker 2: really good. It's a classic. We've wanted to do this
Speaker 2: for a really long time, and we're so lucky to
Speaker 2: be here today, and we could all pretend it's Valentine's
Speaker 2: Day in two thousand and three. The towers just fell recently,
Speaker 2: and we're not forgotten. God, you know, I always think like,
Speaker 2: what if al Gore won? I always think that that
Speaker 2: is my Roman Empire? Okay, what if al Gore won? Okay?
Speaker 2: We open up on a John and Trick type moment,
Speaker 2: and I never understand why sex worker was ever called trick.
Speaker 2: There are no tricks. It's an exchange of services. What's
Speaker 2: the trick? Yeah, you know who a trick is? A magician,
Speaker 2: you know, a little card guy like your pay for sex.
Speaker 2: I don't understand what the trick, right, It's like they
Speaker 2: want it for free, go fuck yourselves. But a man
Speaker 2: is like, all right, we're good to go, right, And
Speaker 2: then but a phone rings and they both check if
Speaker 2: it's their phones. It's you know, early days of cell phones.
Speaker 2: It's exciting. And she says, I gotta take this and
Speaker 2: makes a sound. Oh, and then she says to him,
Speaker 2: make a sound and I'll cut your balls off, and
Speaker 2: he understands. She says, hi, sweetie, mommy, we'll be home soon.
Speaker 2: Wake the sitter. And the guy's like, what the hell,
Speaker 2: because I mean nothing, you know, shuts down a boner
Speaker 2: more than a mother talking to her child. And so
Speaker 2: unless you're some of the criminals we have covered on
Speaker 2: this very program, he runs off, but then turns around
Speaker 2: and is like, wait, can I at least get my
Speaker 2: money back? And she waves him off like okay, fuck off.
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty happy. Maybe she is a trick, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: She uh, that's the trick she does.
Speaker 1: Every time she's about to do it, She's like, hold on,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a call from my kid.
Speaker 2: So he marches off and and goes, I'll find a
Speaker 2: hotter piece of ass with a lot less baggage, But
Speaker 2: instead he finds a dead piece of ass. So there
Speaker 2: is a body in a broad short skirt. She's sitting
Speaker 2: up right near the dumpsters and like garbage. And then
Speaker 2: immediately we go to a uniformed cop that's bringing Benson
Speaker 2: and Stabler to the scene and tells them what's what.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you saw the attack, and she's like, nope,
Speaker 2: the discovery though this tough guy really screamed a bunch.
Speaker 2: This is stupid. So they ask, you know, the sex worker, like,
Speaker 2: did you see anything? She goes, no, just we found
Speaker 2: I saw the body because this tough guy started screaming.
Speaker 2: But she says she didn't see anything. Benson and Stabler
Speaker 2: approached the body and there's ligature marks around the neck,
Speaker 2: no other apparent wounds except for the skirt. It's been
Speaker 2: cut short. And then Stabler notices on the boot there's
Speaker 2: some blood and he wants to like put it in
Speaker 2: an evidence bag, and then when he unzips the boot,
Speaker 2: her foot is cut off. It is just an ankle
Speaker 2: dripping blood in the boot. Benson makes an announcement, anybody
Speaker 2: find a severed foot?
Speaker 3: Right off of severed foot.
Speaker 2: And where do we open the morgue? Of course, Melinda's there,
Speaker 2: and she explains to Benson and Stabler that it wasn't
Speaker 2: one smooth hack job. It was like really chewed up
Speaker 2: in a sowed up situation. And she said it's a
Speaker 2: serrated and not thick blade, so kind of an upper
Speaker 2: end knife. No bruising and clotting. So she was already
Speaker 2: dead before the foot chop. He used a braided type
Speaker 2: wire and she sprays something on the body and it glows,
Speaker 2: showing that the wire residue was copper, and it glows
Speaker 2: like James and the Giant Peach. Did you watch that.
Speaker 2: I've never seen that. I've never seen that. There's like
Speaker 2: glowy little bugs and that's what makes everything grow. But
Speaker 2: her unfortunate dead now did glow like mystical little bugs
Speaker 2: in the James and the Giant Peach. It's a really
Speaker 2: sweet story. I read it in fourth grade. So no
Speaker 2: hits on her DNA, no ScDs, and no cervical daplasia,
Speaker 2: so probably not a pro and all they have on
Speaker 2: her is that she's Asian in mid twenties. Melinda then
Speaker 2: adds more gruesome details. She had a painful past. There
Speaker 2: were healed burnmarks on the genitals from an electroshock device
Speaker 2: and in her wrists the bones were disrupted and there's
Speaker 2: tears and rotator cuffs. So she was hung by her
Speaker 2: wrists and tortured. So we go to work in the
Speaker 2: squad room. Craigan asks if the old attacker is the
Speaker 2: new attacker, and of course maybe, but there's a two
Speaker 2: year gap in attacks. So Fann goes, well if the
Speaker 2: first one was even an attack, and they're like, shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up, this is not self inflicted. We also
Speaker 2: have nothing for missing persons yet. And it's a full house,
Speaker 2: you know, bells are huong, everyone's there, all hands on deck,
Speaker 2: and now we're debating the cause because Finn is convinced
Speaker 2: this is SNM and a painful game of shock the kitty.
Speaker 2: I never want to hear that sentence again.
Speaker 3: No, erase it.
Speaker 2: No. Cragan's like, I understand getting kinky, but it's not
Speaker 2: like she was spinked to death, dude. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: Finn is just very into the BDSM community. Apparently he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but maybe she was down with whips and chains, but
Speaker 2: not with the cattle prod and Cragan's like, get a
Speaker 2: room for yourself. No, he's not convinced. So it's like Huang,
Speaker 2: what do you think? He thinks the marks are a
Speaker 2: sign of political torture used by the Chinese military occupying Tibet.
Speaker 2: So then Munch gets sassy as hell and is like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe she was a nun their favorite target and according
Speaker 2: to that, like you know, that's their favorite target according
Speaker 2: to Physicians for Human Rights. And then Huang's like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a member of that club. It's really strange, like
Speaker 2: did you catch this? The way even Munch goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you think? Agent Huang like did you not
Speaker 2: catch any of this? Am I my own little like
Speaker 2: it seemed like there was sass in between them.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe I well, you know, Bell Munch likes to
Speaker 1: like sort of do a lot of conspiracy. And then
Speaker 1: Huang comes in with the science. So I'm sure that
Speaker 1: they bought heads a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, and Munch his transitional lenses are pop
Speaker 2: they are popping. So then they're like, oh, maybe someone
Speaker 2: came looking for her here in the States, like you know,
Speaker 2: she's been seeking political asylum, like maybe from someone from
Speaker 2: her past, like is getting to her for supporting Tibet.
Speaker 2: So let's go check with I ins Finn and Munch
Speaker 2: go visit a blonde board bitch, and she's like, excuse me,
Speaker 2: do you even know how many immigrants we get a year?
Speaker 2: And out of a million, ten percent claim to be
Speaker 2: political refugees, and then there's a million and a half
Speaker 2: who try to sneak in illegally. She is annoyed and
Speaker 2: she is sassy. She does not belong in this job,
Speaker 2: and Munch reminds her of the sign above, you know,
Speaker 2: the huddle masses, the poor ellis island stuff, and we
Speaker 2: get a hit on the print. Her name is Kuon
Speaker 2: Song Tashi and Huang is right. She was born in
Speaker 2: Tibet and she got in on a marriage Viza and
Speaker 2: her husband is Preston Bennett. So they go to b
Speaker 2: and Sea Shipping. Benson and Stabler are there and him
Speaker 2: and Kim's song. He explains they met at a bizarre
Speaker 2: and dahar masala sounds like a delicious dish. That's disrespectful,
Speaker 2: but I'm thinking of tiki masala obviously. But you know,
Speaker 2: they met at a bizar and he found an old stone,
Speaker 2: but the merchant didn't speak English, and she walked by
Speaker 2: and interpreted for them, and that's that, and they fell
Speaker 2: in love. They look at the wedding photo and Stabler's like, well,
Speaker 2: how's your relationship now? He is crying, and the actor
Speaker 2: is known for In plain Sight, where the lead lady
Speaker 2: is Mary McCormick, and she I didn't know that this
Speaker 2: was the premise. Do you know what the premise of
Speaker 2: In plain Sight is? No, don't read it. Okay. She
Speaker 2: hunts down witnesses for trial that are in witness protection.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, that's kind of cool. So she has to
Speaker 2: find people that are being hidden to like bring them
Speaker 2: back to like be a witness. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I kind of love it, saying.
Speaker 2: But he was in sixty one episodes. His name is
Speaker 2: Frederick Weller. He's working, okay, So he sniffles after some
Speaker 2: tears and he goes, we never fought, not once. That's nuts.
Speaker 2: That's like saying he never heard a fly. We don't
Speaker 2: believe that. Yeah, yeah, everyone fights, that's part of being human.
Speaker 2: And Stabler is like, dude, it's fucking audio. Didn't report
Speaker 2: her missing, and he's like, well, I assume she was
Speaker 2: just at the center. There's a program at Bellevue for
Speaker 2: torture survivors, and you know she was tortured for attending
Speaker 2: a demonstration. Cops came, rounded them up, kept kept her
Speaker 2: for a month and Benson's like, well, you know, are
Speaker 2: there issues at the center. He says, no, that you know.
Speaker 2: We love the center. The center changed her life. She
Speaker 2: was there a bunch. She does group therapy and interpreting,
Speaker 2: and when a new survivor enters the program, she would
Speaker 2: sit with them. Stabler gets really close to him and goes,
Speaker 2: I'm not buying it really all night without and he's
Speaker 2: backed up against the wall and he's like yeah, Benson
Speaker 2: and Sailor walk out and Standler's like again, not buying it,
Speaker 2: not buying it. And he goes like, if Kathy didn't
Speaker 2: come home, he would be out looking for her. And
Speaker 2: It's like, babe, you're the one gone all night, okay,
Speaker 2: and it's your job to go look for people? Like what?
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, well, who's taking care of the
Speaker 2: kids if Kathy's gone and you're out looking for people
Speaker 2: all night? And then Benson, we're on the same feminist team.
Speaker 2: She throws it in his face and goes, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: how often are you on a case and you don't
Speaker 2: call Kathy? And he goes, it's different I'm on the job,
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, well, it seems like she was too.
Speaker 2: So we go to the center and there are candles
Speaker 2: lit and a woman explains that she was here listening
Speaker 2: to victims' stories all the time, even if it brought
Speaker 2: up old wounds for her. And this actress is Jodi
Speaker 2: Long and she was in Margaret Show's sitcom All American Girl,
Speaker 2: and most famously for me, she was a power lesbian
Speaker 2: and the Sex and the City episode with Melinda Warner.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're in the same posse of power lesbians that
Speaker 1: Charlotte befriends, and.
Speaker 2: The episode's called the Cheating Curve. And one of her
Speaker 2: big lines is if you don't eat pussy, you're not
Speaker 2: one of us. So that's like, oh no, she got
Speaker 2: it's actually a wilder line. She goes, if you don't
Speaker 2: eat pussy, you're not a dyke. I think yeah is
Speaker 2: the direct quote, So sorry if that's a word you
Speaker 2: don't like. Honestly, an amazing career spanning decades. She works.
Speaker 2: So she goes into detail about her torture and basically,
Speaker 2: like Kimsong was stripped, naked, held in a small cage
Speaker 2: without food, beaten around the clock, electroshock, batons, and rape.
Speaker 2: And they hear some voices and it's a member of
Speaker 2: the Tibetan support group that kons songs. It's her group,
Speaker 2: and they're holding a memorial for her. And they chat
Speaker 2: a little bit and Stabler asks about the husband and
Speaker 2: she's very matter of fact, goes there is no marital
Speaker 2: discord and walks away. And this is just not really
Speaker 2: rubbing them the right way. Also, while I was in
Speaker 2: Chicago recently, there was it was really small. It was
Speaker 2: just like five or six people and a few kids
Speaker 2: with signs. There's a little you know, protest. They were
Speaker 2: singing songs and basically people that have escaped North Korea
Speaker 2: go to China and China's like sending them back. Oh God,
Speaker 2: and they obviously get killed, their families get kill you know,
Speaker 2: it's like horrible what happens to them. But and so
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, they're singing for China to
Speaker 2: let people stay, and why won't China let people? I
Speaker 2: don't understand, But we're we live in America and we're
Speaker 2: not helping people, but like to skape North Korea that's
Speaker 2: so hard. Yeah, why wouldn't you help these people? I
Speaker 2: don't think you're supposed to have all the answers. I
Speaker 2: don't know why I keep looking to you. It's just
Speaker 2: something I didn't know that was going on. So if
Speaker 2: anyone's like educated and what's happening, please let me know.
Speaker 2: I'm really curious. So Benson is like, listen, it's just
Speaker 2: really hard to believe someone with this much trauma just
Speaker 2: has an easy, breezy time in a relationship. No discord,
Speaker 2: no fights, no nothing, like obviously things come up and
Speaker 2: she is like, listen, he cared about her deeply and
Speaker 2: was over very overly protective. And they're like, who does
Speaker 2: she need protection from? And the center director is like
Speaker 2: you duh, Like you know, the whole purpose of tortures
Speaker 2: to break a person's will and destroy their humanity, and
Speaker 2: there's a certain degree of paranoia that comes with it,
Speaker 2: and that's not uncommon. So sablers like, hold up, I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't just paranoia, like look what happened, and
Speaker 2: our power lesbian goes yeah, I mean, their tormentors can
Speaker 2: totally come here, just as the survivors have. But she
Speaker 2: did get into, like recently, got into activism really heavy,
Speaker 2: and she met another torture victim and they got along
Speaker 2: and her name is Detchen Giazzo, and that's who took
Speaker 2: her to her first protests, and so we had to
Speaker 2: find her. And Munch and Finn are at the protest
Speaker 2: and it's Tibet for Tibetans, and they head straight to
Speaker 2: the woman with a bull who right away classic classic
Speaker 2: is we have a right to be here. We have
Speaker 2: our permits. We have a pull horned permit and much
Speaker 2: like babe, we're on your side. You don't even know.
Speaker 2: We're here to talk about coon Song. And we find
Speaker 2: out that kuon Song did something, did some protesting in
Speaker 2: front of a brokerage firm that is funding a pipeline
Speaker 2: through Tibet. But they're hurting them and they forced us
Speaker 2: to only like so basically because of the protesting. It
Speaker 2: forced the US to only give them like five billion
Speaker 2: instead of seven billion, which to me doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: that big of a win. But then Finn says, I've
Speaker 2: seen men kill for a pizza, so two billion dollars
Speaker 2: could be worth killing for. And they ask if there
Speaker 2: was any roughing up and she's like, no, this is
Speaker 2: times square, Like this is really tame. We're used to more.
Speaker 2: There were no cops, no issues. She was the only
Speaker 2: one taken away by her husband. Done done what? So
Speaker 2: we find out that he was yelling, she was crying,
Speaker 2: he pulled her out of line and she did not
Speaker 2: finish the protests and we're like, excuse me, you said
Speaker 2: you guys never fought. So we're immediately in the cement
Speaker 2: room bars and Stabler's like well and he's like it
Speaker 2: wasn't a fight, and they're like, we heard that you
Speaker 2: dragged your wife away in tears, start talking. Benson and
Speaker 2: Stabler are yelling while the husband is yelling how like,
Speaker 2: you don't get it. I was just trying to protect her.
Speaker 2: And he explains that they were close to the end
Speaker 2: of their probation period with the I ins and if
Speaker 2: she had been arrested or anything happened, it would have
Speaker 2: fucked up their lives and he just doesn't want her
Speaker 2: to get deported. That's it. Finn comes in and goes, uh, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a record. He hasn't been arrested before, but nine
Speaker 2: to one one was called to his residence. What was it?
Speaker 2: He blames the neighbor for misinterpreting something, but it was
Speaker 2: screams and yells in the night and Stabler's like, how
Speaker 2: is that open to interpretation? And it's like it's torture, nightmares.
Speaker 2: You just learned she was tortured, has few detectives, like
Speaker 2: you know she has night terrors, Like yeah, I just
Speaker 2: hate when they play dumb and like ignore all the evidence.
Speaker 2: But he's pleading with them like it's nightmares and I'm
Speaker 2: a Buddhist. I would never take a life a white Buddhist.
Speaker 2: That's tough. So then they talked to the neighbor in
Speaker 2: finn Is, like, well, you threatened him and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know how much trauma calling the cops caused us,
Speaker 2: Like you know, it fucked her up. They just like
Speaker 2: I'm with I'm on this guy's side, like very rarely,
Speaker 2: but I'm on this guy's side. Like he's been out
Speaker 2: like forthright about the torture of it all.
Speaker 1: Like come on, he's not giving murdered my wife and
Speaker 1: cut off her foot and left her in an alley.
Speaker 2: He's not giving that. No, And the detectives, no, she's
Speaker 2: been through a lot and that nightmares are common and
Speaker 2: that calling the cops would be fucked up for her,
Speaker 2: Like I just it's annoying me. I hate when they
Speaker 2: act dumb and forget all of their training and knowledge
Speaker 2: and care. So but he's smart and he knows he's
Speaker 2: free to leave, so he storms off in an angry rage,
Speaker 2: and Sailor goes, he's lying, so now it's bustling off
Speaker 2: his time. Stabler doesn't like that everything is explained away
Speaker 2: by her past, like, you know, but I also believe that,
Speaker 2: And Craigan's like, maybe he is lying, but the paper
Speaker 2: trails don't. So is there an insurance policy on his wife? No,
Speaker 2: as the alibi he was home alone, was no calls.
Speaker 2: Munch pulled financials, and he did have a charge at
Speaker 2: six pm that night at a Tibetan restaurant, Hello Dolly.
Speaker 3: Like la I do love that pun name, Hello Dolly.
Speaker 2: Love it, love it. And it's in the village, and
Speaker 2: they rush over there and fit in, Munch take the
Speaker 2: lunch duty, and the restaurant dude knows them. But they
Speaker 2: haven't been there in a couple as a couple for
Speaker 2: weeks and weeks. But according to the credit card receipt,
Speaker 2: he was there last Tuesday. He goes, yeah, yeah, not him.
Speaker 2: She was there for sure, and they were the only
Speaker 2: ones in the restaurant and she was with a man,
Speaker 2: brown hair, thirty ish, perfect tan in February and left
Speaker 2: a hefty tip and they're like, no, no, no, hold up,
Speaker 2: it was the husband's card, which means she paid, and
Speaker 2: he goes, no, he signed, and he's going to check
Speaker 2: for the receipt. So they're like, oh my god, she
Speaker 2: was cheating on him using his card. This is fucking hut.
Speaker 2: And they're like signing the husbands with the card that's cold.
Speaker 2: So the manager comes out and he's like, so, what
Speaker 2: is the trouble. They're like, well, at least it's identity theft,
Speaker 2: like someone else signed for mister Bennett's card, and the
Speaker 2: dude's like, no, it's an authorized signer on the card,
Speaker 2: mister Chambers. It's mister Bennett's partner, their work business partners.
Speaker 2: And Finn's like the triangle thickens and they go to
Speaker 2: talk to Chambers and it's a classic SVU actor who's
Speaker 2: been in a few episodes. His name was Paul Fitzgerald.
Speaker 2: He was in season nineteen Country Apasto, which we covered,
Speaker 2: and he's the teacher who gets his balls cut off,
Speaker 2: and then there's a show, Oh, yeah, yeah, yah. Kathleen
Speaker 2: Monroe was our guest for that. And then season fourteen
Speaker 2: he was in Criminal Hatred and it's the gay Hatred
Speaker 2: one with Nia Vardalos where the guy like hates himself
Speaker 2: for being gay and yeah, like whatever. So and for
Speaker 2: my veep heads, he's in a few episodes of viepas
Speaker 2: Owen Pierce, you know, one of the idiots and government
Speaker 2: so and he's in everything the Americans, Mentalist, Niptuck, he
Speaker 2: works Benson and Stablers say they want to talk about
Speaker 2: Coonsong Ben and he's like, not a good time, bye, guys,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, we would have talked to you
Speaker 2: the day her body was discovered, but at the time
Speaker 2: we didn't know that you were having a torrid little affair.
Speaker 2: And he's like, lol, I'm not banging his wife. And
Speaker 2: then he tries to close the door. They threaten him
Speaker 2: with prison and let him know that he was the
Speaker 2: last person to see her alive. And a man is
Speaker 2: in the house and guess who else it is. It
Speaker 2: is her husband. It is the original husband, our Buddhist friend.
Speaker 2: They are together. They are gay. The marriage was a sham.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they never say that they're gay, but they're gay, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's bearding for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he cares for her and it was the way,
Speaker 2: it was the only way to bring her here. Like,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, why would you obstruct a murder investigation?
Speaker 2: He's like, I fucking panicked, Like I'm so sorry. I
Speaker 2: was scared. You know, we violated federal immigration laws. The
Speaker 2: ions could put me in prison and take away my business.
Speaker 2: So they're like, you better fill us in on everything,
Speaker 2: because if you've been quiet and we can't find something,
Speaker 2: this is bullshit. And so they're like, what happened at dinner? Like,
Speaker 2: tell us everything. So Stabler's in this dude's face and
Speaker 2: he says it was a Barry the Hatchet dinner. So
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, wow, there were problems and he goes, yes, listen,
Speaker 2: she's very sweet, we love her, but this was going
Speaker 2: on three years and obviously put a strain on our relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they did talk about being gay. I'm an idiot. I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't want to jump to conclusion, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, she sensed the tension and that's why she
Speaker 2: moved out. But they put the apartment in this you know,
Speaker 2: very tan Man's name, so I n s would and
Speaker 2: find out. So they go to the apartment, big team.
Speaker 2: No sign of blood, no sign of struggle. They're looking
Speaker 2: through her place. She has no messages, and Benson's like,
Speaker 2: I guess she wasn't very popular. Okay, she's dead. Then
Speaker 2: there are classifieds and stars next to some used furniture,
Speaker 2: and Sambler's like, well she needed it. Like they're dissing
Speaker 2: her apartment. They're dissing her. She has no friends. It's like,
Speaker 2: this bitch escape torture and like, I'm here as the
Speaker 2: high to fake marriage until she can become a citizen.
Speaker 2: Like back off, Sorry, she's not popular with an interior
Speaker 2: design degree. Guys, they are roasting her. I have some
Speaker 2: respect for the dead detectives. But she was gonna go
Speaker 2: see one of the couches the day she fucking died.
Speaker 2: So they go to Polly's apartment and it's a Sopranos guy,
Speaker 2: Steve Sherpa, Bobby Bacala Becala. I don't care. I don't
Speaker 2: Sopranos doesn't do it for me. It's good, the acting
Speaker 2: is good. I love James Gandelfini, but I'm an enough,
Speaker 2: said fan, and I love the movie. The Mexican. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's just me. So now, wait, have you seen the
Speaker 2: thing where someone's like, I tried to dress like Sophia Richie,
Speaker 2: but instead I look like a mob boss. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I haven't. It's really funny. You know, TikTok, TikTok. Our
Speaker 2: brains are rotting. But this guy, I didn't know he
Speaker 2: was such a big actor. He's like he was in
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty episodes of Blue Bloods and one
Speaker 2: hundred and ten episodes of the Secret Life of the
Speaker 2: American Teenager. Wow, so I didn't know there were so
Speaker 2: many episodes of that second show. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a secret.
Speaker 1: The secret is that The Secret Life of the American
Speaker 1: Teenager has been on for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should do it over under on how many
Speaker 2: teen pregnancies there were. It's something grassy. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we got a cutter, we got an eating disorder, we
Speaker 2: got a cheating we got someone being a goth, we
Speaker 2: got a divorce, we got someone poor. You know, it's like,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? So he says that he's been waiting,
Speaker 2: He waited for her, but she never showed up, and
Speaker 2: Sailor notices the couch is not the one from the ad,
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, I sold it to a sorority
Speaker 2: girl type, like a Buffy or a Cindy, something like that,
Speaker 2: Buffy is your go to. Nay, Cindy, you're obviously old man,
Speaker 2: ha ha. And by the way, he's in a white
Speaker 2: tank top, referred to by others as a wife beater
Speaker 2: and by me when I'm not on an SVU podcast.
Speaker 2: And then he's also wearing a short sleeved black and
Speaker 2: gold silk dress like a Versace esque vibe, and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, dude, you don't really strike us as a floral,
Speaker 2: shabby sheet kind of guy, which is how the couch
Speaker 2: was described in the ad. I just didn't think it
Speaker 2: was important to add in the in the notes, but
Speaker 2: I guess it was. And he's like, Nope, I'm not.
Speaker 2: It belonged to my ex. That's why I was getting
Speaker 2: rid of it. He's got an answer for everything, and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, oh, why would she leave a catch like you?
Speaker 2: And it's like he truly hasn't done anything, like he's
Speaker 2: just in his home drinking like we he hasn't done
Speaker 2: anything wrong yet, but he says the reason his the
Speaker 2: girl left him is because she's a whore and she
Speaker 2: found a fatter wallet. So my bad Benson was right.
Speaker 2: She's always right, and he does suck and he's like
Speaker 2: that worthless bitch couldn't boil water. Yeah, okay, we hate
Speaker 2: him at first. I'm like, leave this guy alone. He
Speaker 2: just was trying to sell a couch and I'm like,
Speaker 2: cut off his dick. Benton's going off like this is
Speaker 2: a perfect scam, Like how else would you get women
Speaker 2: to just enter your home and classifies her super cheap
Speaker 2: and so it's like a perfect way to get women there,
Speaker 2: And like we don't even know if the couch ever
Speaker 2: even existed, and so they're working on getting some history.
Speaker 2: The poly guy has two drunken disorderlies and then ring ring,
Speaker 2: it's the lab, and we head to the lab. They
Speaker 2: have something on the boots. It's Daniel Sunjada Sexy green Eyes.
Speaker 2: Hello James Holt from Devilwar's Prada if you're new to
Speaker 2: the pod. And then the shoes are a size nine,
Speaker 2: which is weird because the victims shoe size was a
Speaker 2: six and a half. So what's going on? Then, of
Speaker 2: course Benson, bougie Benson notices. They're Jacques Lecoeur and those
Speaker 2: are seven hundred dollars boots.
Speaker 1: She knows exactly the price. She knows her luxury items,
Speaker 1: this bitch, and.
Speaker 2: They have no evidence of her actually walking in them.
Speaker 2: And Benson's like, but they're scuff marks, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's not hers. She's actually pigeon toed, so these
Speaker 2: scuff marks wouldn't be hers. I mean, the way she
Speaker 2: is roasted after death is wild for everything she's been through.
Speaker 2: So Fit and Munch go to the store and the
Speaker 2: Tenon is being like an okay level of helpful. The
Speaker 2: shoe they're showing, though, is a prototype that's never been sold.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to hit shelves next month. So who had
Speaker 2: access to it. Laurie Schneider is who reps the account,
Speaker 2: so they rush over to her. Flash, flash flash.
Speaker 3: They're like in the.
Speaker 2: Middle of a fashion show. Fashion shows last maybe fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: I've been to one fashion week show. It was not
Speaker 2: a high class in any way. Quick, yeah, even if
Speaker 2: it's even if it's fifty outfits. The bitches are walking
Speaker 2: back like, yeah, you have to fuck her up in
Speaker 2: the middle of a dress rehears like, I just know
Speaker 2: about fashion shows from top model and like no, and
Speaker 2: I used surprised.
Speaker 1: Used to get my nails done at a place where
Speaker 1: they were constantly showing fashion shows. They are like fifteen
Speaker 1: or twenty minutes, like and sometimes they're only like, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen looks.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. If I could watch a fashion show
Speaker 2: as I was getting a manny petty, I would be
Speaker 2: in heaven.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's West Hollywood. It was a great place.
Speaker 2: That's as a close.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's unless the pandemic got it. I
Speaker 1: just don't go there anymore because I live over here.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course we wish you luck. Okay, So
Speaker 2: they're interrupting this fashion show that's so hectic, so crazy
Speaker 2: models everywhere. But they have to talk to her right now,
Speaker 2: and she goes, I have two minutes. So they bring
Speaker 2: up the shoe. She goes. The only model who's a
Speaker 2: size nine is Crystal. She wore them last month. They're
Speaker 2: not supposed to take the shoes, obviously, but also she's
Speaker 2: in Milan right now, So the woman's not being helpful,
Speaker 2: and the detectives finally have to be like, listen, lady,
Speaker 2: this is a murder investigation. Like, can you please give
Speaker 2: us the real scoop? She goes, fine, Okay, she didn't
Speaker 2: take them. I took them. I thought I was going
Speaker 2: on a hot date, but it wasn't hot at all.
Speaker 2: He took me bowling. He didn't touch her, and then
Speaker 2: her boots disappeared from the bowling alley and it was
Speaker 2: twenty degrees outside, and she wrote a car in her stockings,
Speaker 2: and munch goes, well, at least you have your feet.
Speaker 2: The other girl wasn't so lucky. She's in the middle
Speaker 2: of a work day. You don't have to It's like
Speaker 2: they're all so, you know. She thought it was like
Speaker 2: the theft of the boot, Like, okay, should.
Speaker 1: You ever like get your jacket stolen in New York
Speaker 1: though in the freezing winter?
Speaker 2: No, obviously you have. You seem very passionate.
Speaker 1: That's happened to me, and you have to like go
Speaker 1: home like in a tube top, like freezing fucking cold
Speaker 1: on a Saturday night.
Speaker 2: That's happened to me before. And I hate it.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: One of my friends posted a photo and it's like
Speaker 2: it's Chicago girls are built different, and it's just like
Speaker 2: a group of Chicago girls walking in the snow and
Speaker 2: heels in like tiny club dresses. And this was me back,
Speaker 2: This was totally me. We were built different and or
Speaker 2: it's wunny. I mean I.
Speaker 1: I mean I would just wear like skimpy outfits with
Speaker 1: like a winter coat over it and then shove my
Speaker 1: coat into the corner of like a bar somewhere, and
Speaker 1: then it got stolen one time and I truly had
Speaker 1: to walk home half nude and.
Speaker 3: I was so freezing.
Speaker 2: So fuck those people, thief. Yeah, we're gosh, the youth,
Speaker 2: what is it? The youth is wasted on the young.
Speaker 2: So we're at a bowling alley. You know, this girl
Speaker 2: had a terrible date at a bowling alley. How do
Speaker 2: you feel about bowling alley for first dates?
Speaker 3: Not first date?
Speaker 1: But Jared and I did just go to a beautiful
Speaker 1: dinner and then bowling for our eight year wedding anniversary,
Speaker 1: and we had a blast.
Speaker 2: I love bowling.
Speaker 1: Bowling's fine, But on first date, No, that's like too,
Speaker 1: that's too down in the like, it's not that's not good.
Speaker 3: You want to like get to know each other.
Speaker 1: I think a little bit more before you like just
Speaker 1: start throwing heavy balls down a lane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're at the bowling alley. We're talking to
Speaker 2: the counter guy and he he's like, oh, yeah, she
Speaker 2: was hitting on me. She didn't even want to be
Speaker 2: here with the date. She hated him. She you know,
Speaker 2: she liked me. He were concessions though not the shoe
Speaker 2: counter that night, and he brought tons of beer to them.
Speaker 2: That's why he like really remembers her. And you know
Speaker 2: she's obviously, you know, works in fashion. I'm sure she
Speaker 2: looked extra cool. They asked how up, and the shoes
Speaker 2: get stolen and during the chat though, the bowling work
Speaker 2: never ends. So he asks a man named Jerry. He's like, hey,
Speaker 2: go tend to some pins that Laye needs your help. So,
Speaker 2: you know, they're talking about missing shoes. He goes, not
Speaker 2: that often. You know, sometimes pranks and stuff, people are wasted,
Speaker 2: so they forget them, like some people know show, I
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell you. So they end up
Speaker 2: going to Jerry and being like, how's working for counterboy Marshall,
Speaker 2: the kingpin of the bowling alley, And Jerry goes, I
Speaker 2: fucking hate this guy, and Stabler's like, is he annoying
Speaker 2: to everyone as he is to us? And he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's disgusting. He hits on every girl that walks in there.
Speaker 2: It's pathetic. And he goes and they all reject him,
Speaker 2: and Stabler pushes like anything else, like any theft does
Speaker 2: he steal? He's like, I wouldn't put it past him.
Speaker 2: So now we're back in the office. But this bowling guy,
Speaker 2: they checked his record, it's clear. Benson goes, yeah, but
Speaker 2: he was young, so maybe he's never been caught before.
Speaker 2: And then someone's like, well, or maybe never reported. It's
Speaker 2: just a pair of shoes who would report like shoes.
Speaker 2: And Munch does a pushpin map now of all the
Speaker 2: crimes that have to do with shoes, and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 2: why shoes, and Huang pops out of nowhere fetish arousal
Speaker 2: by shoes, feet or smelly socks, and Munch doesn't get it.
Speaker 2: But Huang is like, I mean, basically, there's a cross
Speaker 2: wiring the control map of the brain and the genitals
Speaker 2: are really and like genitals and feet are right next
Speaker 2: to each other, so if there's any sort of mixing
Speaker 2: and matching the genital feet stuff, they cross.
Speaker 1: But I look this up and apparently it's pop science.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's not really there's like people, some people were
Speaker 1: arguing online there's really like no articles that are reputable
Speaker 1: that say that this is real, and there's different doctors online,
Speaker 1: like one biologist on Instagram is like, this is why
Speaker 1: so many people.
Speaker 3: Have foot fetishes.
Speaker 1: It's because of exactly what the episode says, and then
Speaker 1: other doctors are like, that's not true at all, Like
Speaker 1: the brain doesn't rewire like that, Like the brain doesn't
Speaker 1: cross wire like that.
Speaker 2: So it's it's I think it's hard to prove, but
Speaker 2: it's cool.
Speaker 1: It's something I've always thought, like, you know, famously, like
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino has a foot fetish, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's like a cross wiring because of
Speaker 1: the sex thing, like I learned on SVU, But I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's real.
Speaker 2: Whitney Cummings says, it's on our podcast all the time.
Speaker 2: It's because tos look like little dicks or something, and like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm sure that's a joke. Cragan's like,
Speaker 2: enough fetish talk, let's talk the crime. So they're back
Speaker 2: to the map work and Huang SE's one that's green
Speaker 2: and he goes, well, this is a violet He's like,
Speaker 2: what is this me? And Munch goes violent attack and
Speaker 2: Huang goes, okay, that's weird. Fetishes usually are not like
Speaker 2: violent related. So this crime was two weeks ago. It
Speaker 2: was an NYU grad named Greta and she was choked
Speaker 2: and then when she woke up, her shoes were gone.
Speaker 2: So now we're going to show the photo of Polly
Speaker 2: to her and maybe it's him. So Benson is walking
Speaker 2: with a purple, fluffy earmuff woman and she is like,
Speaker 2: I'm running late for class and well, I don't know
Speaker 2: what else do you want from me? And Benson's like,
Speaker 2: well I noticed, you know, nice running shoes. She goes, well,
Speaker 2: I used to wear heels all the time, but now
Speaker 2: I'm too scared of wear them, so running shoes all day.
Speaker 2: And she feels like she's not even the same person anymore.
Speaker 2: And the whole thing is like she's short, and I
Speaker 2: just I didn't realize being a short woman has any
Speaker 2: effect on people, you know what I mean? Because we
Speaker 2: remember took a photo with a woman who like kept
Speaker 2: moving the camera wildly, so she looked taller, yeah, in
Speaker 2: a selfish way, And it's like, well, we all look
Speaker 2: horrible because of this, like short, I don't get it,
Speaker 2: like people like short girls. I don't under like to
Speaker 2: wear three inch or four inch heels every day to
Speaker 2: look a little taller. It just couldn't be me, I know.
Speaker 1: I guess the grass is always greener. It's like people
Speaker 1: just like short, like girls with small boobs want to
Speaker 1: have big boobs.
Speaker 3: Girls with big boobs wish they were smaller.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like it is weird though, like shortness.
Speaker 2: Is short and I never have been, Like god, I
Speaker 2: wish I was taller, you know, I just I don't
Speaker 2: know I get it for guys, but maybe if you
Speaker 2: really loved sports. Yeah, so that's why she, you know,
Speaker 2: wore heels. She was short like a maloof and now
Speaker 2: she wears sneakers all the time. And so all she
Speaker 2: remembers is it was dark. All of a sudden, hands
Speaker 2: around her throat, she came up, you know, she didn't
Speaker 2: see his face was all from behind, but because he
Speaker 2: came from behind, she then hit her head onto his chin.
Speaker 2: So now they know her height. She was five three
Speaker 2: in the heels, so that means he was five eight
Speaker 2: or five ten. She was in classes and she goes
Speaker 2: to a bakery and that's all she really does. And
Speaker 2: the bakeryes on Houston and Sullivan, and she was walking
Speaker 2: back from the bakery when it happened. And Pollie lives
Speaker 2: right on Houston by the bakery. So they go to
Speaker 2: the bakery. It's Ma's Bakery, and the bakery woman remembers Greta.
Speaker 2: She hasn't been in for a while though, but she
Speaker 2: always hated the dorm food. You're a grad student, get
Speaker 2: an apartment, okay. So the bakery looks cute and really
Speaker 2: really fun and the woman is Margaret Colin, who is
Speaker 2: an anti abortion person, so who cares about her credits?
Speaker 2: So then the detectives are like, do you know this
Speaker 2: much about all of your customers? About the dorm food
Speaker 2: and all of that, and she goes, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: everyone that comes in usually lives in a ten block
Speaker 2: radius and I mostly know them by all the orders.
Speaker 2: They show a photo Coon Song and she doesn't remember her.
Speaker 2: So how many employees work there? She goes Michael Rodney
Speaker 2: and then there's a little boy, Brandon, and they show
Speaker 2: the Polly photo and the little boy goes, yeah, pumper
Speaker 2: nickel and olive oil. And what's funny is that's a
Speaker 2: disgusting order. Does that mean? But also, this little boy
Speaker 2: looks like you'd be an Oliver twist time, like he
Speaker 2: is not a boy of arter time. Yeah, he looks
Speaker 2: He truly looks like he hopped in a time machine. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's an oliverat he is an Irish little ghost because
Speaker 2: he does not look like a modern child.
Speaker 3: Please, sir, I'd like some more pump and nickel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's a regular. And then they put Polly
Speaker 2: in a cement barroom and Benson's gonna play some games.
Speaker 2: She walks in wearing pumps, high healed, Benson looking sexy.
Speaker 2: He's like, I didn't do anything. Annie didn't get hard
Speaker 2: over the heels. So they're like, fuck, you know, we're
Speaker 2: not Annie go And he's like, how can I proof
Speaker 2: to you I did not know it? And they say,
Speaker 2: search your apartment. He agrees, and they find nothing. Daniel
Speaker 2: Sun Johna looked at everything, not even a hair in
Speaker 2: the drain. They dusted everything. Then another dork comes in
Speaker 2: and he found something. So in Coonsong's room there was
Speaker 2: a notepad with a grocery list on it and so,
Speaker 2: but they have technology that they can recover identifying writing
Speaker 2: three four pages beneath the og like with the impressions,
Speaker 2: and they did find something. They found something that said
Speaker 2: couch six four two East Houston Street, apartment two A
Speaker 2: after six. That's not Polly's address though his address is
Speaker 2: four six two. So they go to six four two
Speaker 2: right next to the bakery. Mama Bakery comes out and
Speaker 2: is like, oh my god, you're just in time for
Speaker 2: fresh banana bread, which I love Claudia's and Brooklyn best
Speaker 2: banana bread ever. Shout out to my favorite place on
Speaker 2: Bushwick av. So then they ask if she I can't
Speaker 2: believe I'm doing banana bread collouts. So then they ask
Speaker 2: if she knows who lives right next door, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's me, and they're like, okay, well, I mean she
Speaker 2: was looking for furniture, maybe not a customer. Can you
Speaker 2: look at this photo of this woman again? And she goes, well,
Speaker 2: I wasn't selling any furniture, so there's no way I
Speaker 2: would have seen her. And they're like, who else lives there?
Speaker 2: Just you and that little brand and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: and you know his half brother, my other son, Jerry.
Speaker 2: So she calls up and she's like Jerry, he opens
Speaker 2: the window. Guess who it is. It's the motherfucker from
Speaker 2: the bowling Alley, not the counter guy, but the guy
Speaker 2: who hates the counter guy work in the lanes, and
Speaker 2: they keep him in interrogation and they walk in with
Speaker 2: just boxes and boxes of stuff from the apartment. They
Speaker 2: found his secret stash and it's all shoes, and he
Speaker 2: flips out, don't touch my things, and they go, your things.
Speaker 2: We've tied half of these to burglaries in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: And they talk to his mom too, and he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, she revealed that he's loved heels and shoes
Speaker 2: since he was five years old. And then he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm not gay, and it's like, oh yeah, this seems worse.
Speaker 2: Piles of stolen woman's shoes and a dead body with
Speaker 2: a severed foot. Honey, we wish you were getting Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he just he's like, I just like the way
Speaker 2: the shoes look. I collect them. It's harmless, and they
Speaker 2: push him. They're like, fuck you harmless. So what he
Speaker 2: says was he usually just follows the women home, sees
Speaker 2: where they live, and then gets them later. And the
Speaker 2: NYU grad student was the first time he ever hurt anyone,
Speaker 2: And then Benson goes, well, it wasn't your last. And
Speaker 2: then they show the photo of coon Song and then
Speaker 2: they say that they found blood all over the mom's
Speaker 2: delivery van. And then they say, and we know you
Speaker 2: use the van to dump her body, and we know
Speaker 2: she came to your apartment by accident looking to buy
Speaker 2: a couch. He sighs, he knows he's been got. Stabler
Speaker 2: pulls the red boot out of his box and goes,
Speaker 2: does this help? And it's in a bag. He touches
Speaker 2: it and he goes, she was like something out of
Speaker 2: my dreams. So I invited her in. She just had
Speaker 2: the most perfect tiny feet. All I did was compliment
Speaker 2: her things were going really well. She asked where the
Speaker 2: couch was, and then she ran for the door. I
Speaker 2: stopped her. I asked her to try on a pair
Speaker 2: of shoes for me. She told me I was sick.
Speaker 2: His lips are quivering. He snaps. So Stabler is like,
Speaker 2: for sure, dude, so you didn't mean to kill her.
Speaker 2: He's like exactly, he was just rewiring his TV when
Speaker 2: she came in. And they're like, oh, the wire from
Speaker 2: the crime we got you now. And then Benson asks,
Speaker 2: why did you cut off her foot? And he goes, well,
Speaker 2: just for my collection. The shoes look better with like
Speaker 2: a real foot in it. And they're both grossed out,
Speaker 2: both of them big really funny faces. So now it's
Speaker 2: Cabot time. She's in a walk and talk with someone
Speaker 2: else and behind her is Ileana Douglas and she runs
Speaker 2: in being like, Girley, can we chat? And I love her.
Speaker 2: She was in ghost World if you're wondering, she was
Speaker 2: the art teacher. That's how I know her. So she's
Speaker 2: defending footboy and Cabot looks down and goes, nice shoes
Speaker 2: and they're like flat, like tap dance shoes, like lay stuff.
Speaker 2: She goes, I hate them too, but they're the only
Speaker 2: ones that, like client won't go insane over focus if
Speaker 2: I wear these. If I wear shoes, Jerry can't focus.
Speaker 2: And basically she's like, we're doing a psychoval and Cabot's like, wow,
Speaker 2: how original. And she also has like physical evaluations, neurological
Speaker 2: exams IQ. Cabot's not interested. She does not give a
Speaker 2: fuck trial time. So we have a doctor on the
Speaker 2: stand and we talk frontal lobe stuff and how that's
Speaker 2: the impulse control center, and Ele Douglas is like, so
Speaker 2: if you know it holds urges, that's what happens. So
Speaker 2: if you're frontal lobe, even if you have a wild urge,
Speaker 2: it keeps it tight. The guy did tests on Dupree,
Speaker 2: that's Jerry Dupree, and his frontal lobe is fucked, which
Speaker 2: means he can't hold onto stuff. He had a subdural
Speaker 2: hematoma and that means there was so much frontal low
Speaker 2: pressure and so it can produce radical personality changes. He
Speaker 2: has decreased frontal brain activity stemming from an injury, which
Speaker 2: means how a gentle, meek person becomes a violent person
Speaker 2: and it disinhibits people and they can't control their urges.
Speaker 2: But now it's Cabot's turn and she is a to
Speaker 2: murder this motherfucker. I like love this six change. So
Speaker 2: she's like, so everyone who suffers a blow to the
Speaker 2: frontal lobe will kill and he's like, of course not.
Speaker 2: And so then she says, okay, thank you, and so
Speaker 2: according to your theory, and he gets offended and tries
Speaker 2: to drop his credits because she's like, so your little theory,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm a psychologist, and he goes, I
Speaker 2: work with the most vicious criminals ever, and what I
Speaker 2: figured out is overwhelmed. Overwhelmingly, those who have abusive childhoods,
Speaker 2: psychotic symptoms, and brain injuries commit the most amount of crimes.
Speaker 2: But his study had only one hundred and eighty seven
Speaker 2: people in it, which is not enough for a study.
Speaker 2: And the total number of brain injuries per year is
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand, So your tiny study does not matter
Speaker 2: because five hundred thousand people are following the law. And
Speaker 2: he's like, actually, my study included really famous serial killers
Speaker 2: Bundy Dahmer, Shawcross, who I don't know, Mark David Chapman,
Speaker 2: Joel Rifkin, who I only know from Seinfeldt. And she
Speaker 2: cuts in and says, and now, Jerry Dupree, thank you doctor.
Speaker 2: I mean, she crushed it like that is hot. I'm
Speaker 2: obsessed with her. And so now we have bakery Mama
Speaker 2: on the stand and she's talking about what a sweet
Speaker 2: boy he was. He never fought or cursed or anything.
Speaker 2: But in January, the bakery was robbed by a crazed
Speaker 2: man with a hammer. He threatened to kill the mom.
Speaker 2: Jerry wasn't there at the time, but Jerry heard from upstairs,
Speaker 2: ran down. He tried to rescue the mom, tried to
Speaker 2: pull the weapon from the man's grip, but instead he
Speaker 2: got hit right in the head with a hammer, and
Speaker 2: he changed Jerry completely. He had headaches all the time,
Speaker 2: fits of anger, and he started to swear, and so
Speaker 2: he was just not the same person. But it's not
Speaker 2: his fault. He was just protecting his mother. So we're
Speaker 2: in Craigan's office. Cabint is pitched. She's like, great, now
Speaker 2: she has the whole Jerry's believing he's some sort of hero,
Speaker 2: but the robbery case is still open with no leads,
Speaker 2: and the mom, you know, there was a report, and
Speaker 2: Wan's like, listen, the brain's injuries are legit. He's looking
Speaker 2: up the papers, and Kaba's like sure, but Consong also
Speaker 2: dealt with abuse and never hurt a soul, and Craigan's like,
Speaker 2: fuck to have survived hell and to run into Jerry,
Speaker 2: and Wong notices something. He goes, well, it might this
Speaker 2: guy's kind of a klutz. Numerous evidence of structural damage
Speaker 2: in the brain, which means tons of attacks over a
Speaker 2: long period of time, and of other places at like
Speaker 2: other places in the brain and he's been hitting the
Speaker 2: head a ton, and Cabot's like, well, this is funny.
Speaker 2: Why didn't the mother mention all these other head wounds,
Speaker 2: you know, and those those wouldn't make him look like
Speaker 2: a hero. So we need to find evidence now that
Speaker 2: she perjured herself. So we're off to talk to an
Speaker 2: fdny hottie and it's Fedora Munch and Finn and so,
Speaker 2: you know, tell us about everything. And the mom wouldn't
Speaker 2: leave his side and basically like physically like would pull
Speaker 2: him aside and stuff like, he was very attached to
Speaker 2: the mom. And then we go talk to the little bro.
Speaker 2: So basically the mom said that this will happened in
Speaker 2: the bakery, and the kid is like wait wait, wait no,
Speaker 2: not in the bakery. This was home. This was in
Speaker 2: our home. So then they're like wait so and then
Speaker 2: to the boy is like, well why would my mom lie?
Speaker 2: But also this is the whole exchange's while the two
Speaker 2: detectives can just accost the young child out right outside
Speaker 2: of school, it's like two bullies just ready to attack,
Speaker 2: and so I just think it's wild to corner a
Speaker 2: child after school. And then they threaten the little child
Speaker 2: and go well, your mom lied on the sand and
Speaker 2: said it was in the bakery that this happened, not
Speaker 2: at the home. So we're going to take her to
Speaker 2: jail and your brother, so you better start talking. Benson
Speaker 2: Bend's down on his level and is like, we know
Speaker 2: you want, like she wants to protect her son, but
Speaker 2: she can ruin her life, so don't let that happen. Like,
Speaker 2: we need to make sure she's not lying for her son,
Speaker 2: and the little boy yells, you don't even know her.
Speaker 2: She's the one who hurt him. Bomb show, bomb show.
Speaker 2: She caught him with another pair of ladies shoes and
Speaker 2: beat him. So the first time she caught him was
Speaker 2: five years old, which means she's been beating the shit
Speaker 2: out of him since she was five years old. She blame,
Speaker 2: and then the little boy goes. She blames Jerry for
Speaker 2: dad leaving us since he was such an embarrassment, and
Speaker 2: she hits him too, but not as bad because he's
Speaker 2: faster than Jerry. Benson and Stabler are now sitting with
Speaker 2: Jerry and Ileana Douglas in prison, and they're convincing him
Speaker 2: to go against the mom, but he won't. He denies
Speaker 2: ever being hit by her and he's screaming wildly she
Speaker 2: didn't do anything bad, and he's getting up doing some
Speaker 2: great acting. He's like, I killed that girl. I belong
Speaker 2: in prison, and Ileana Douglas goes, no, you don't belong
Speaker 2: in prison. You belong in a hospital. And he says
Speaker 2: they can't fix me, and if I get out, I'll
Speaker 2: do it again. And Benson's like, well, what about your mom,
Speaker 2: because she might do it again. She's going to hit Brandon.
Speaker 2: We have to save Brandon without with you in the hospital.
Speaker 2: She's he's gonna get hit. You have to save your brother.
Speaker 2: And they're pleading with him, like, turn on your mom,
Speaker 2: you have to save like your brother, and he starts
Speaker 2: talking basically, there was the girl in the bakery and
Speaker 2: I started, you know, he started talking so her about
Speaker 2: the shoes, right in front of the mom, and the
Speaker 2: mom went crazy and came after him with a frying
Speaker 2: pant and I told her, don't hit my head, maw,
Speaker 2: and that made her even like madder, and she bopped
Speaker 2: him on the side of the head and knocked him
Speaker 2: down and kept hitting and she be and he begged
Speaker 2: her to stop, and it's like, remember what the doctor said,
Speaker 2: but she grabbed the handle with both hands and brought
Speaker 2: it down as hard as she could, and he's crying
Speaker 2: and it's really hard for him to speak and it's
Speaker 2: the last thing he ever remembers, and the music turns
Speaker 2: super dark, and now she's in a pink dress, like
Speaker 2: dressed shirt and she's working the bakery, smiling like it's
Speaker 2: you know, fucking mourning at Beauty and the Beast. Then
Speaker 2: they arrest her in front of all the customers. She
Speaker 2: is shocked and she's like, this is insane. I had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with Coon's song. And they're like, it's
Speaker 2: depraved indifference. You're going to jail. You turned him into
Speaker 2: a killer, and she says, I didn't make him the
Speaker 2: way he is. He's always been like this. I did
Speaker 2: everything I could to fix it. Benson's like, you mean,
Speaker 2: beat the shit out of him, and she screams, nothing
Speaker 2: else worked. You don't know what he put me through.
Speaker 2: And she's yelling as Stabler has her handcuffed, leading her
Speaker 2: out as everyone is watching, and she's twisting and screaming
Speaker 2: and she's like, don't look at me like that. I'm
Speaker 2: not the one who's sick, you know me. Tell them
Speaker 2: I'm a good mother tell them. Nobody tells them. I
Speaker 2: wonder if everyone's gonna get a pastry on the house
Speaker 2: that little disturbance and that is Dick wolf a baby.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, wow, wow, wow wow.
Speaker 1: That is such a good episode and the crime is
Speaker 1: super disturbing, So stay tuned. So crazy crazy that I
Speaker 1: just realized this episode is based off of a criminal
Speaker 1: also Jerry, So they literally didn't even change the name
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Killer in this episode.
Speaker 1: This episode is based off of the lust Killer or
Speaker 1: the shoe fetish Slayer, whose name was Jerome Henry Brutos
Speaker 1: aka Jerry Brutos.
Speaker 3: He is depicted in mind Hunter.
Speaker 1: He is up there with Ted Bundy and all of
Speaker 1: these guys that are known as the biggest serial killers.
Speaker 1: He killed four women between sixty eight and sixty nine.
Speaker 1: But I think just the nature of his horrific crimes
Speaker 1: is what puts him like up with these guys that
Speaker 1: killed like so many more. And and rule the woman
Speaker 1: who was friends with Ted Bundy, yeah, and wrote the
Speaker 1: Stranger Beside Me. She wrote a book about him called
Speaker 1: the lust Killer and gave him the nickname the lust Killer.
Speaker 1: So Jerry Brudos as a young boy moved around a
Speaker 1: lot with his family between like Oregon and California, and
Speaker 1: then settled down in Salem, Oregon, which is a town
Speaker 1: I've been to to do comedy, and it is this
Speaker 1: gorgeous coastal town in Oregon, but it's like it is
Speaker 1: a little spooky. It's like on the water and like
Speaker 1: that like specific northwest fog. Like it's really gorgeous, but
Speaker 1: it's a little spooky. He found a pair of women's
Speaker 1: high heels in a junkyard at around age five, and
Speaker 1: that kicked off his obsession with women's shoes. And another
Speaker 1: thing about him was that I don't I don't. There's
Speaker 1: no evidence that his mom was ever beating him the
Speaker 1: way that this in this episode. But his mom had
Speaker 1: wanted a son, I mean, had wanted a daughter, and
Speaker 1: when she had him, like, she already had an older
Speaker 1: son named Larry, and she wanted her next kid to
Speaker 1: be a girl, and like prayed and prayed that her
Speaker 1: second pregnancy would be a girl. But it was Jerry,
Speaker 1: and she was pissed and she let him fucking know it.
Speaker 1: She would dress him in girl's clothing, she would shower
Speaker 1: praise on the older brother, and then one time when
Speaker 1: she found his heels, she set them on fire. So
Speaker 1: by first grade, he's fully obsessed.
Speaker 2: With women's shoes.
Speaker 1: He's trying to steal his teacher shoes, and his obsession
Speaker 1: is like in full swing. He also liked to collect
Speaker 1: women's underwear. He would break into homes to steal underwear,
Speaker 1: and then as he moved into his teens, obviously this
Speaker 1: obsession became more violent and dark. Psychiatrists think that he
Speaker 1: created these fantasies.
Speaker 2: Blaming women for men's crimes, but like I know, ah,
Speaker 2: and honestly, I just really quickly googled it.
Speaker 1: Like there are some articles that say that he had
Speaker 1: a head injury, but nothing in my research says where
Speaker 1: he would have gotten that head injury or where like
Speaker 1: because he's on the list with guys like the expert
Speaker 1: in this episode, there are experts that try to say
Speaker 1: that like Dahmer had a head injury, Ben Bundy had
Speaker 1: a head injury, that all these guys had head injuries,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. In Brutos's like history, I don't
Speaker 1: see where that head injury happened. There are other injuries
Speaker 1: that he tries to blame later, but I'll get into it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it does suck. Like maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know why was he so attructed to women's shoes
Speaker 1: right from the jump at age five, Like maybe he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, had some gender dysphoria, who knows,
Speaker 1: But psychiatrists said that they thought he was creating those
Speaker 1: fantasies for revenge on his mother for treating him like shit.
Speaker 2: Oh see, because like, yeah, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: these issues because it's like if Jerry or someone like
Speaker 2: choose and he wasn't shamed for it and he was like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, wear are my heels, he could have been fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he would just end up doing drag you know,
Speaker 1: like drag quitz forcing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just oh okay, yeah yeah yeah. That's why
Speaker 2: so much of this stuff happening right now and like
Speaker 2: contemporary times with like gender whatever, like everyone being mad
Speaker 2: at trans people out of nowhere, like marks of for
Speaker 2: fucking fascism. Yeah, but it's like, yeah, just let your
Speaker 2: kids be who they are. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like
Speaker 2: we wouldn't even have to do all that stuff. It's
Speaker 2: like it's like there was like a post where it's
Speaker 2: like of the binary our number one Fan Arsley posted this,
Speaker 2: But if the binary was so natural, why would you
Speaker 2: have to work so hard to keep it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: if boys just had to be rough, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, if your son wants to fucking do ballet,
Speaker 2: let him fucking do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oscar was wearing Barett's and his hair the whole day
Speaker 2: the other day. I don't care.
Speaker 1: He wants to look like his sister, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: my daughter won't wear dresses. I'm like, okay, I did
Speaker 1: force her once for a wedding, but never again. And
Speaker 1: it's only and it's been a year.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine forcing Rosie to wear something shit didn't
Speaker 2: want to wear, like sicking it.
Speaker 3: It would sick in it. It would honestly be horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, even yesterday I was going to give her
Speaker 1: a bath and she really didn't want to take one
Speaker 1: because she was sick.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I'm not going to force you.
Speaker 2: You're sick, you know, I'll let you have this one.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I just obviously we have to force them
Speaker 1: to do some things, you know, but like what they wear,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, it's insane. So at seventeen, this
Speaker 1: morph's into stalking. Obviously, he would hold women at knife
Speaker 1: point and sometimes he would knock them out so he
Speaker 1: could steal their shoes. So it's like what Jerry said
Speaker 1: that he would like sometimes stalk these women and then
Speaker 1: like figure out ways to get into their apartment and
Speaker 1: get their shoes.
Speaker 2: I mean, for Sbu to use the exact name of
Speaker 2: the real killer for the fake killer's.
Speaker 3: Wife, I know, I know, it's like there wasn't even
Speaker 3: a brain. They're like, let's just go with Jerry.
Speaker 1: So one time he forced a woman to strip down
Speaker 1: and took photos of her before stealing her shoes, and
Speaker 1: that one he got arrested for, and they sent him
Speaker 1: to the Oregon State Hospital where he was diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Speaker 1: And even though he told them all about how he
Speaker 1: had these fetishes and these fantasies of chopping up women
Speaker 1: and keeping them in a freezer and all this shit,
Speaker 1: he only spent nine months in the hospital before they
Speaker 1: were like, he's sane and they let him go. They're like,
Speaker 1: we fixed Timmy's good. I mean, it is this it
Speaker 1: is like the sixties here, like or probably the late fifties,
Speaker 1: and so I understand that this shit was like not
Speaker 1: as advanced as it is today, But Jesus, like, how
Speaker 1: many people would be alive if he had just like
Speaker 1: you know, been medicated or stayed in the hospital longer. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he eventually graduated high school. He tried to join the army,
Speaker 1: but he was discharged for having quote unquote bizarre obsessions.
Speaker 1: And then at twenty two he settles down and he
Speaker 1: marries seventeen year old Darcy Metzler. This is actually the
Speaker 1: ages that my in laws got married and they are
Speaker 1: still in love, so thank god it were, but like, wow,
Speaker 1: wild to be married at seventeen and twenty two, and
Speaker 1: this was in nineteen sixty one. He would ask his
Speaker 1: wife to do housework naked except for a pair of
Speaker 1: high heels while he took pictures. And for some this
Speaker 1: might be considered like sexy, like a sexy kink for
Speaker 1: a husband and wife, but according to an article in
Speaker 1: that Oregon Life quote, things were decidedly non consensual. He
Speaker 1: never simply asked, he demanded, So that's the end of
Speaker 1: the quote. But like Darcy was like at first, she
Speaker 1: was like, I guess this is what I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: do as a wife, and then she was like very
Speaker 1: over it, and so by the time, she gave birth
Speaker 1: to their second child, a son, like at first he
Speaker 1: had a daughter and then he had a son, and
Speaker 1: he was so excited for his son to be born,
Speaker 1: and she wouldn't let him into the room during the
Speaker 1: birth because she's like, you treat me like an object,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want you to be in the room.
Speaker 1: And that sent him on a spiral, apparently, and at
Speaker 1: this time he started to get migraines and experience blackouts,
Speaker 1: and according to him, the only cure was to go
Speaker 1: out and steal more shoes and underwear. At this point,
Speaker 1: he starts dressing in drag in order to disassociate and
Speaker 1: to escape from reality. So now his first murder is
Speaker 1: in January of nineteen sixty eight, and unfortunately it's a
Speaker 1: little bit like the coon Song thing. Linda Slawson is nineteen.
Speaker 1: She is selling Encyclopedia's door to door and she comes
Speaker 1: to Brutos's door. So it's another case of like knocking
Speaker 1: on the wrong psycho's door. His wife and his kids
Speaker 1: were at home, and he lured this girl into the
Speaker 1: basement somehow without them seeing lured her to the basement
Speaker 1: where he knocked her out with a wooden two by
Speaker 1: four and strangled her to death. Then he would dress
Speaker 1: her up in underwear from his collection and pose her body.
Speaker 1: Then he used a hacksaw to cut off her left foot,
Speaker 1: which he kept in a freezer in a high heeled
Speaker 1: shoe like modeling it, and he threw the rest of
Speaker 1: her body into the Willamette River.
Speaker 2: So horrible.
Speaker 1: The second murder happens almost ten months later in November
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty eight, when a twenty three year old
Speaker 1: named Jan Susan Whitney's car breaks down on the five
Speaker 1: between Salem in Albany in Oregon. Brutos offers to drive
Speaker 1: her to his house so that she can call a
Speaker 1: tow truck. She was actually traveling with two men. There
Speaker 1: were like two hippie guys she had picked up, but
Speaker 1: they weren't helping fix the car, so he picked up
Speaker 1: all three of them. Then he dropped the guys off
Speaker 1: and brought Jan to his own house. So he got
Speaker 1: Then when he got to his house, he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to run in and tell my wife, But
Speaker 1: he got in the car behind her and strangled her
Speaker 1: with a leather strap, sexually assaulted her and then kept
Speaker 1: This is like so disturbing. So I'll just tell you
Speaker 1: to fast forward thirty seconds if like really really disturbing stuff.
Speaker 1: But he kept her body hanging from a hook and
Speaker 1: pulley system in his garage for several days, and he
Speaker 1: dressed her up, photographed her, had sex with her. He
Speaker 1: was a necrophile as well, Like he had sex with
Speaker 1: her dead body, and it's so insane.
Speaker 3: He was super cocky after he.
Speaker 1: Got away with his first murder, Like he left her
Speaker 1: there for days and days. In fact, his family went
Speaker 1: away for a few days and he left her hanging there,
Speaker 1: and a car crashed into his house, leaving a hole
Speaker 1: big enough that if anyone had looked inside, they would
Speaker 1: have seen this woman's body just dangling there. But no
Speaker 1: one looked inside, including the cops. So it gets grown, Well,
Speaker 1: what happened is what happened was like after he got home.
Speaker 1: He later, when he confessed all this later, he goes,
Speaker 1: that was a close one.
Speaker 2: To the cops.
Speaker 1: He goes, so I took her down, and I like
Speaker 1: wrapped her in plastic and then and put her in
Speaker 1: another building on my property. And then I invited the
Speaker 1: insurance and the cops people to come back and take
Speaker 1: a look at the garage, so it's like but on
Speaker 1: first blush, like they really could have seen it, like
Speaker 1: and they didn't, and it's so it's horrible. He also
Speaker 1: cut off one of her breasts and made a resin
Speaker 1: mold out of it that he used as a paperweight,
Speaker 1: which is an asylum the season of American Horror Story
Speaker 1: if you've seen that, like Zachary Quinto's character has paper
Speaker 1: weights that are made out of human breasts.
Speaker 2: It's horrible. This is very ed Gean, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought that even earlier as you talked that, go oh,
Speaker 2: this is like Psycho, which is kind of based on
Speaker 2: Edgie and likes a key. It is now the breast paperway.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is no great connection.
Speaker 1: Most of the articles that I read refers to him
Speaker 1: as like the main character in Psycho, Like many of
Speaker 1: them refer to him as that because he has all
Speaker 1: these like similar tendencies and like a hatred of his
Speaker 1: mother and blah blah blah. So when he then he
Speaker 1: again threw the body into the Willamette River, he waged
Speaker 1: the bodies down and then he would throw them into
Speaker 1: the river. And he also threw in the foot from
Speaker 1: the first victim because at that point it had rotted.
Speaker 1: Murder Number three happens four months later, so they're getting
Speaker 1: closer together because this guy's obviously like he's.
Speaker 2: Turned on by these murders, of course.
Speaker 1: And March of nineteen sixty nine, eighteen year old Karen
Speaker 1: Sprinker is abducted at gunpoint from a parking garage, and
Speaker 1: then two young girls later informed the police that a
Speaker 1: large man dressed in drag was on the parking garage
Speaker 1: roof on the day that Karen went missing, So that
Speaker 1: was Jerry. He took her to his garage, made her
Speaker 1: try on his collection, impose while he took pictures of her,
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted her, and then finally strangled her by hanging
Speaker 1: her body from this pulley system that he.
Speaker 2: Has in his garage, which is like so horrific, I
Speaker 2: can't even.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so then he again had sex with the
Speaker 1: body's post mortem, more necrophilia, and then on he also
Speaker 1: cut off her breast to make plastic molds with them
Speaker 1: because I think the first one he said didn't turn
Speaker 1: out the way he wanted it to anyway, then he
Speaker 1: of course say it with me now through her body
Speaker 1: into the Willamette river.
Speaker 3: That's like where he goes to dump all of his bodies.
Speaker 3: And now the crimes are getting.
Speaker 1: So close together because it's literally a month later April
Speaker 1: twenty first, he attempts to kidnap Sharon Wood, aged twenty four,
Speaker 1: at gunpoint in a parking garage at Portland State University.
Speaker 1: She fought back, bit his thumb till it broke the skin,
Speaker 1: and then he beat her unconscious, and then an oncoming
Speaker 1: car spooked him and he fled the scene. But he's
Speaker 1: so like hard up to get another woman that he
Speaker 1: tries the next day to get someone else.
Speaker 3: Then it's so bizarre.
Speaker 1: There's on April twenty second, there's all this conflicting info.
Speaker 1: I'm reading info that he tried to kidnap Gloria Jean Smith,
Speaker 1: who was fifteen, and also that he tried to kidnap
Speaker 1: nap fourteen year old Leanne Brumley, And so some of
Speaker 1: the articles I read think that this is the same victim.
Speaker 2: With their name changed. So I don't know what the
Speaker 2: actual name of the victim is.
Speaker 1: But I looked everywhere and it's it's both names or
Speaker 1: in places all over about him. But he was only
Speaker 1: confessed to like there were only two attempted kidnappings, so
Speaker 1: these are definitely the same one that happened on April's
Speaker 1: twenty second. And he tried to lure this person into
Speaker 1: his mother's green Volkswagen, but they escaped.
Speaker 2: So this victim escaped, thank god.
Speaker 1: But the cops like still at this point, aren't really
Speaker 1: like connecting these these disappearances. Wow, well they haven't found
Speaker 1: bodies yet, so they're not They're not connecting anything yet
Speaker 1: that these women.
Speaker 2: Have gone missing.
Speaker 1: And then murder number four happens the day after these
Speaker 1: two consecutive days of kid nappings. He's super desperate and
Speaker 1: he abducts Linda Sale, who's twenty two, from a mall
Speaker 1: parking lot. And here he uses a fake police badge
Speaker 1: and says he's a cop, and it's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: rest you for shoplifting. Get come with me, and does
Speaker 1: the same thing, brings her to his garage, rape, strangle, necrophilia,
Speaker 1: dump the body in the Willamette River.
Speaker 3: But he also tried to This is so horrific.
Speaker 1: He tries to electrocute her to make her body like
Speaker 1: git dance or jump, but it didn't work. But he's
Speaker 1: an electrician, like a lot of them were choked with
Speaker 1: a copper wire. So that's like from the episode, that's
Speaker 1: a link also to the sexual true crime. So the
Speaker 1: next month, May of nineteen sixty nine, a fisherman finds
Speaker 1: the body of victim number four, Linda Salee, in the
Speaker 1: Long Tom River, and a couple days later they find
Speaker 1: Karen Sprinker, victim number three's body.
Speaker 3: Because Sprinker was a college.
Speaker 1: Student, the police ask students at Oregon State University in
Speaker 1: Corvallis about any suspicious men that have been hanging around
Speaker 1: like whatever, and it turns out that Jerry had just
Speaker 1: been calling random college girls, posing as a lonely Vietnam
Speaker 1: vet and asking them on dates. And one girl who
Speaker 1: talked to the police said, I actually did go on
Speaker 1: a date with this guy, Jerry Brutos, and he really
Speaker 1: creeped me out because on the date he asked me,
Speaker 1: aren't you afraid that I'm going to strangle you? And
Speaker 1: that obviously got her like, you know, red flags flapping
Speaker 1: in the wind. They were like, okay, well, let us
Speaker 1: know if he calls you again, and he did. He
Speaker 1: called her again, and she had no intention of going
Speaker 1: on a second date with him, but when he called
Speaker 1: she set one up and then she called the cops,
Speaker 1: and so they were surveilling the date, and they said
Speaker 1: he strolled up to the date full confidence, not like
Speaker 1: a sketchy person with someone with something to hide, like
Speaker 1: just like, what's up, Ready for my date?
Speaker 2: And probably excited that he was going to kill again.
Speaker 2: And they won a hero yeah, college girl hero yeah, seriously, And.
Speaker 1: They were interested in him as a suspect, but they
Speaker 1: really had nothing to hold him under like and they
Speaker 1: just kept him under surveillance and looked into his background
Speaker 1: and they realized, oh my gosh, like the first victim
Speaker 1: was taken like right near where he lives, and the
Speaker 1: second victim, her car broke down right on a route that.
Speaker 3: He would take to and from work.
Speaker 1: So like they basically figured out he had full access
Speaker 1: to all four victims.
Speaker 3: It would have been easy for him to get to them.
Speaker 2: He had.
Speaker 1: Also, when he had been questioned by police, he gave
Speaker 1: a false address, which increased their suspicions. They got a
Speaker 1: warrant to search his car which had been which I
Speaker 1: believe that the warrant to search his car and all
Speaker 1: that stuff is based off of the girl who he
Speaker 1: tried to abduct because she lived the car had been
Speaker 1: freshly washed, more suspicious. So then the teen who he
Speaker 1: tried to abduct picked him out of a photo array,
Speaker 1: so the cops went to go arrest him. On May thirtieth,
Speaker 1: Brudos was arrested wearing women's underwear and was interrogated by police,
Speaker 1: and even though his lawyer told him to shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up, he confessed to everything because he wanted to brag,
Speaker 1: like he's one of these guys like they I don't
Speaker 1: remember exactly, but if you watched Minehunter, he is portrayed
Speaker 1: in mind Hunter, and this guy loves to talk about
Speaker 1: his crimes like he had zero guilt, zero remorse.
Speaker 2: He had only remorse for himself.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I'm going to jail, and I guess
Speaker 1: I feel bad for my wife and kids, but that
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 3: Like the women.
Speaker 1: He apparently at one point they asked him about the women,
Speaker 1: and he bawled up a piece of paper and threw
Speaker 1: it away, and he's like, I feel about those women
Speaker 1: the way I feel about that wadded up.
Speaker 2: Piece of paper, like trash. I don't care.
Speaker 1: They also said the cops that he never lost his
Speaker 1: appetite despite like describing every horrific thing he did to
Speaker 1: these women and their bodies after they were dead, and
Speaker 1: that he said he talked about the victims like they
Speaker 1: were objects that belonged to him and existed only for
Speaker 1: his pleasure. He also told his wife Darcy, to burn
Speaker 1: a bunch of evidence, which girl Darcy did not do,
Speaker 1: and so when the authorities came to his home and garage,
Speaker 1: he thought like, Aha, they're never going to find anything.
Speaker 3: My wife took care of it.
Speaker 1: They found everything, they found evidence linking him to Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: they found evidence linking him to only three of the murders.
Speaker 2: Even though he confessed to.
Speaker 3: The first murder, that was his first murder.
Speaker 1: So at that point he wasn't taking photos, he wasn't
Speaker 1: keeping trophies yet, and so there wasn't as much evidence.
Speaker 1: But they found the hook and pulley system, nylon cord,
Speaker 1: leather straps like copper wire that he had used, a
Speaker 1: mold for the paperweight, that he had made, women's shoes
Speaker 1: in various sizes, tons of underwear, girdles, panties, slips, as
Speaker 1: well as photographs, and the photos were really graphic like
Speaker 1: the photos were of him and female underwear, but were
Speaker 1: also images of the victims, like one was a woman
Speaker 1: suspended from the hook and pulley with a black hood
Speaker 1: over her head. Another the body had been dressed in
Speaker 1: several different garments and photograph and a lot of times
Speaker 1: in the photographs the heads had been cut out of
Speaker 1: the women in the photograph so that he could just
Speaker 1: look at the bodies. So that just goes to show you,
Speaker 1: like how much he dehumanized the women, like their faces
Speaker 1: and heads, like just like didn't really mean anything. One
Speaker 1: of the photos that Anne Rule wrote about in her
Speaker 1: book was of quote, a girl's body clothes in a
Speaker 1: black lace slip and panties with garters hung suspended from
Speaker 1: the ceiling, the camera angled up to her crotch, reflected
Speaker 1: in a mute on the floor. In the lower corner
Speaker 1: of the photo there was the frozen image of a
Speaker 1: killer caught unawares in the mirror end of quote. So
Speaker 1: the photo was Brutos in the photo looking up at
Speaker 1: the woman he had just murdered. So he like caught
Speaker 1: himself on camera, so like he and he confessed to
Speaker 1: all four.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately he did not.
Speaker 1: He was never prosecuted for the murder of Linda Slawson
Speaker 1: and her body was never found, So if her body
Speaker 1: had been found and they'd been able to make like
Speaker 1: forensic matches, but her body was never found, his lawyers
Speaker 1: attempted a mental illness defense, and he, like you know,
Speaker 1: tried to whine and like fake, cried to convince psychiatrists
Speaker 1: that he was the victim of a terrible mother, but
Speaker 1: most of them were like, no, you just feel sorry
Speaker 1: for yourself. He claimed that in nineteen sixty seven, the
Speaker 1: year before he started murdering, that he'd been electrocuted because
Speaker 1: he was an electrician, and he said that's when his
Speaker 1: headaches started, and he said he couldn't control himself, and
Speaker 1: he fantasized about keeping women in their corpses in freezers,
Speaker 1: and he wanted to be able to dress and pose
Speaker 1: them like they were dolls essentially, And he said if
Speaker 1: he went to a hospital, he knows he'd get better
Speaker 1: and he could get out and raise.
Speaker 2: His own kids.
Speaker 3: Like so he was like arrogant and delulu this man.
Speaker 1: Seven psychiatrists assessed him and said that he absolutely has
Speaker 1: a personality disorder, but always knew that what he was
Speaker 1: doing was wrong, So they're like, yes, he had antisocial
Speaker 1: personality disorder, which many psychopaths have, but was not legally
Speaker 1: insane or psychotic. He knew what he did was illegal,
Speaker 1: and he knew what was wrong, and they said there's
Speaker 1: no way he can be rehabilitated. So after consulting with
Speaker 1: his attorneys, who were like, bro, you are it is
Speaker 1: a dead end for you, he changed his plea to
Speaker 1: guilty and the murders of Jan Whitney, Karen Sprinker, and
Speaker 1: Linda Saley. Whitney's body was recovered the month after he
Speaker 1: was convicted, but they were able to charge her based
Speaker 1: on photos and evidence and stuff. But unfortunately, Linda Slawson's
Speaker 1: body was never found in so he was never prosecuted
Speaker 1: because yeah, he took no photos of her. He was
Speaker 1: sentenced to three consecutive terms of life imprisonment with the
Speaker 1: chance of parole, which is crazy, but he appealed and
Speaker 1: went before the Pearl board a billion times, and then
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five they were like, you're never getting out.
Speaker 1: Just FYI, like you're never getting out, so and they
Speaker 1: assured the families he's never getting out.
Speaker 3: So and his prison cell was filled with shoe catalogs.
Speaker 1: He would like ride away for them and like get
Speaker 1: shoe companies to send him shoe catalogs, so a sickness
Speaker 1: even in punishment. And he died in prison in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six of liver cancer after serving thirty seven
Speaker 1: years in prison. And I believe I read something like
Speaker 1: he was one of the longest kept offenders in prison
Speaker 1: in Oregon or something at the time of his death,
Speaker 1: so he definitely served a lot of time before he died.
Speaker 1: But like, truly one of the sickest cases I've read about.
Speaker 3: And what And it's weird.
Speaker 1: There's not like I don't know, there's not like good
Speaker 1: docks and stuff about him. It's like almost maybe too
Speaker 1: much like people.
Speaker 2: I've never really heard of him. Was it Season one
Speaker 2: of Mine Hunter? I think so, because I don't even
Speaker 2: remember that. This is sick, dude, This is like fucking
Speaker 2: movie level gross.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they I read the actor's name. They told
Speaker 1: me they wrote they said somewhere of who played him
Speaker 1: in mind Hunter.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's uh, super fun.
Speaker 1: And it's just like the guy was so not remorseful,
Speaker 1: not like I'm sick, not like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just kind of like, yep, I did it and wanted
Speaker 1: to brag about it.
Speaker 2: And dude, ugh, yeah, the shoe fetish slayer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was portrayed by an actor named Happy Anderson
Speaker 1: in uh season one of Mine Hunter.
Speaker 2: It was episode seven and eight.
Speaker 1: And Wikipedia says, and I'm not sure whether this stuff
Speaker 1: is ever real that Ted Levine, who played Buffalo Bill
Speaker 1: in Silence Little Lambs, partially based his performance on Brutos
Speaker 1: but fucking sick.
Speaker 2: Thank you for doing that. Yeah, and join us for
Speaker 2: a host mortem that will be sicker than ever.
Speaker 1: All Right, Still no guests today because we are standing
Speaker 1: union strong. Hopefully as of the time of this release
Speaker 1: of this episode, the SAG strike will be over, but
Speaker 1: it has not ended yet. Actually, were we did a
Speaker 1: while ago have a guest lined up for this episode.
Speaker 1: We were supposed to talk to the woman who plays
Speaker 1: the mother, who I always thought of as you know,
Speaker 1: the iconic Blair Waldorf's mother from Gossip Girl. But we
Speaker 1: did find out through doing research on her that she
Speaker 1: is anti choice and that's just if you know.
Speaker 2: You know us, and that's not the vibe of this podcast.
Speaker 2: So we decided wildly anti choice. It's like very loud.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's loudly anti choice. Wow. So we were like,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like we had to even dig. It was like,
Speaker 2: and this is the number one thing I care about
Speaker 2: church results.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it wasn't like in my free time, I
Speaker 1: enjoy knitting going on and uh protesting women's rights, you know,
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: It was it was the number one thing that she likes,
Speaker 2: so wed not to do that. You know, and in
Speaker 2: this episode she is very anti choice. No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was gonna make a connection to like she didn't
Speaker 2: let her son just like feet, but that you know,
Speaker 2: that's trivializing of course. Yu. Listen, this episode is so good.
Speaker 2: It's SVU and like shocking. It's twisted, it's kind of
Speaker 2: it's messy, it's layered, there's twists. It's like a really
Speaker 2: good fucking classic yeah episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's got, it's got all as usual, Olivia
Speaker 1: Benson flexing her knowledge of luxury goods. She knows how
Speaker 1: much things cost. Okay, she she might be a cop,
Speaker 1: but she likes the finer things in life.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the big post mortem takeaway for me here is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let your fucking kids like what they like. I guess
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, but I mean Jerry Brutos's mom, it
Speaker 1: seems like was just mad at him for being a boy,
Speaker 1: and so like she degraded him and made him like,
Speaker 1: you know, wear girl's clothing. I guess says that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do go that root because that seems well, that's
Speaker 1: like you turned him into a serial killer. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: force your kids to do anything. Don't force them to
Speaker 1: like any kind of I literally just now posted for shoes.
Speaker 1: I was like, I need shoes for my four year
Speaker 1: old on my bicell trade group on on a Facebook
Speaker 1: and was like, I need shoes for my ten year old.
Speaker 1: She doesn't like any new shoes, so I need to
Speaker 1: buy her like worn in shoes and she's not fem
Speaker 1: she doesn't like anything fem.
Speaker 3: So I need blue, I need gray, I need.
Speaker 1: Black, I need red you know wait, and she needs
Speaker 1: them worn in, Like the the best shoes she likes
Speaker 1: are the ones for that I get her from this
Speaker 1: consignment store that's over in Eagle Rock, because she likes
Speaker 1: she like if I get her new ones from Target,
Speaker 1: which I have many times, she's like they're too tight,
Speaker 1: like she doesn't like the stiffness.
Speaker 2: And I don't think she understands the concept of breaking
Speaker 2: in shoes. So yeah, but you know, such a little
Speaker 2: particular angel she really is, and you know what she needs? Well, no,
Speaker 2: because I digs you for forever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: She famously just wore these nikes with full white big
Speaker 2: socks and I was just like, why is this happening?
Speaker 2: And then I found out it was her choice, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I like that. I was like, why is my friend
Speaker 2: doing this?
Speaker 3: No, I am very much trying.
Speaker 6: Like so many places, it's like so much work, it's
Speaker 6: hot out or going to the pool, like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: she it's ninety five degrees.
Speaker 4: In La.
Speaker 1: She will only wear long sleeve shirts with short sleeve
Speaker 1: shirts over them, and then a jacket and then long pants,
Speaker 1: socks and shoes like she is. I don't know how
Speaker 1: she could ever live anywhere else but La. She's freezing
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: I guess, is she? What is it? And she keeps
Speaker 2: them on? Are they so king wet? When she comes home?
Speaker 2: Does she get she does? She off the layers.
Speaker 1: She'll take off just the jacket at school at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, usually like when she's at after school,
Speaker 1: and then when I pick her up, she's like, I'm sweaty,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I know, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I don't, I don't try to, Like,
Speaker 1: I know you all are, like, what about that time
Speaker 1: you made her wear a dress for your brother's wedding.
Speaker 1: That was the last time I did that, And that was,
Speaker 1: you know, fourteen months ago. She's never worn a dress since,
Speaker 1: and she probably won't wear a dress again until she
Speaker 1: has a full you know, I don't know, maybe's Daniel,
Speaker 1: she's maybe have Bluey wears a dress. Yeah, she's not
Speaker 1: even influenced by friends because her best friend is like
Speaker 1: the girliest girl ever and she's just like not about
Speaker 1: that life. And her best friend eats oysters. She's four
Speaker 1: years old. This girl she eats oysters. She eats sushi,
Speaker 1: eat rosy pasta. So yeah, not a follower, but also
Speaker 1: also totally a follower in a lot of ways. But yeah,
Speaker 1: let your kids fucking do what they want so that
Speaker 1: you don't turn them into serial killers.
Speaker 3: Come on, let's go.
Speaker 1: She's already obsessed with skeletons. I don't need to help
Speaker 1: her get any more creepy.
Speaker 2: You know, I know that is a particular genre of
Speaker 2: girl that like loves nightmare before Christmas and Jack Skellington.
Speaker 2: It is just like a little gothic type and I
Speaker 2: know a lot of I like it a lot, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't my main thing. But like our friend's sister,
Speaker 2: what is that?
Speaker 1: Oh, my best friend from home just sent this to
Speaker 1: my best friend from home just sent this to Oscar
Speaker 1: and Rosie. It's Ogie Boogie from Wow from Nightmare before
Speaker 1: Christmas because they love it. That's just funny that you
Speaker 1: brought that up, because Jared just texted me that five
Speaker 1: minutes ago.
Speaker 3: But what were you saying.
Speaker 2: Oh? Nothing, that's just like a particular genre of person
Speaker 2: for sure. Oh and then well you we'll have to
Speaker 2: wait for next week, but you are You've been in
Speaker 2: charge of the harvest festival at Rosie's school and can't
Speaker 2: wait to hear the full rundown of harvest fest.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the harvest festival.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only thing I have left to do is get
Speaker 1: pumpkins and hay bales. And I'm just going around to
Speaker 1: businesses begging them to donate pumpkins and heybales, and I'm
Speaker 1: honestly getting ghosted by this woman that runs a pumpkin
Speaker 1: batch and I don't get it.
Speaker 3: It's like, just tell me. No, she's just not answering me.
Speaker 2: Any people aren't good at communicating in that way. They
Speaker 2: would rather just ruin your life. Where did you go
Speaker 2: on the mom group ask for pumpkins?
Speaker 3: I should?
Speaker 2: I should? That's my next move, that's my next move.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's funny. We will not stop talking about
Speaker 2: Halloween and we can't. And what's so funny is that
Speaker 2: we're then going to live through Halloween and then one
Speaker 2: then talk about it again.
Speaker 1: It will be our December first episode and will be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I had the best Halloween.
Speaker 3: And then we'll talk about the Roney finale.
Speaker 2: Everything is so far away.
Speaker 1: But listen, guys, this is how it works when we
Speaker 1: have to be putting out quality podcasts for you, performing
Speaker 1: quality shows for.
Speaker 3: You live I love.
Speaker 2: How's that?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no reviews there.
Speaker 1: I guess you'll have to wait for another You'll have
Speaker 1: to wait for another season of the Ultimatum Queer Love.
Speaker 2: With someone I was stoned and instead of Ultimatum Queer Love,
Speaker 2: I said it was a show called Ultimate Queers.
Speaker 3: The Ultimate Queers in a queer SmackDown.
Speaker 2: I love that, and we really cracked up.
Speaker 1: You know what I want to watch and I feel
Speaker 1: like we have to give a shout out to a
Speaker 1: fellow exactly right person. But our friend Roz Hernandez is
Speaker 1: hosting a show with Kristen Stewart that's like a gay
Speaker 1: ghost hunting show, a queer ghost hunting show, and I
Speaker 1: love that it's called Living for the Dead on Hulu.
Speaker 3: So that's just a shout out.
Speaker 1: I'm going to check it out very soon, but hopefully
Speaker 1: you guys will watch it as well, because Roz is
Speaker 1: like side splittingly funny and I'm sure that her hunting
Speaker 1: for ghosts with another Twilight vampire is a great idea.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Wait, does Kristens do whatever turn into
Speaker 1: a vampire? I'm not familiar with the show.
Speaker 4: She does, she does, she does?
Speaker 2: Thank you, Casey very familiar with the cannon? Are you
Speaker 2: a twy hard? No?
Speaker 5: But my group of friends was very into Twilight in
Speaker 5: college and I have I did go to every single
Speaker 5: movie at the midnight showing in college. Wow, I at
Speaker 5: least have a working knowledge of Twilight.
Speaker 3: Wow, Casey, wow wow wow wow wow.
Speaker 2: The most actually just watched a compilation of Like a
Speaker 2: Carousel on Instagram of Robert Pattinson talking about how much
Speaker 2: he hates Twilight. In every interview he like hates it
Speaker 2: and hates being in it and thinks it is trash.
Speaker 2: And there was like a full carousel ten of him
Speaker 2: just hating it during press jun kits.
Speaker 1: When I worked at MTV, when a new movie would
Speaker 1: come out, it was like all we could talk about
Speaker 1: at work for weeks, and then they would go to
Speaker 1: San Diego Comic Con and it would just be like
Speaker 1: people getting crushed and like it just was such a
Speaker 1: beatles thing with the fucking Twilight that I'm kind of
Speaker 1: glad I.
Speaker 3: Was never really a part of No.
Speaker 2: I really wasn't a part of Harry Potter, Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings. I lay Hunger Games pitted out for me.
Speaker 2: I don't know though, that's I guess I did read
Speaker 2: all the Hunger Games books. I did do that.
Speaker 3: But I'm pleasing.
Speaker 2: I think what franchise I really like outside the Housewives?
Speaker 2: Is there a movie franchise I've seen them all of
Speaker 2: I think Saw has good acting. Okay, let's go aha.
Speaker 3: Jared just saw Saw ten and said it was bad.
Speaker 3: Did you see it, Casey?
Speaker 4: No, I heard that one is actually pretty good.
Speaker 3: That's what everybody said. That's why he went.
Speaker 1: He goes, everybody's saying Saw ten is good, and I go,
Speaker 1: I thought you didn't like torture porn, and he goes.
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be good, and I go, Okay. He
Speaker 3: comes in from watching it.
Speaker 2: I go, how was it?
Speaker 3: He goes, it was torture porn?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but the first one is so cool, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, the trap on the head, that's scary.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched any of them, are you.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's like this wild trap on this woman's head
Speaker 2: and she there's like a puzzle of some sort of
Speaker 2: a timer and she has to that like unlock this thing,
Speaker 2: and if not, or a whole like john Face gets
Speaker 2: ripped open by this metal contraption and so it's like
Speaker 2: so stressful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be stressful. I fucking hate that kind
Speaker 1: of shit. All right, speaking of you know, let's move
Speaker 1: on to what would Sister Peg do? This is our
Speaker 1: weekly segment where we direct you to an article, an organization,
Speaker 1: a book, something to give you more info about what
Speaker 1: we talked about today. And this week, we wanted to
Speaker 1: point you to the book Lust Killer by Ann Rule
Speaker 1: if you want to know more about Jerry Brudos, which
Speaker 1: I don't know why you need to know more, but
Speaker 1: some people, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I read a whole book on the Green River Killer.
Speaker 3: I've read books on Ted Bundy, you know.
Speaker 1: And Anne Rule was, as we mentioned, Ted Bundy's like
Speaker 1: pal before he got busted. So she wrote a book
Speaker 1: about Jerry Brudos called The Lust Killer. So if you
Speaker 1: want to know more about old Jerry, read Lust Killer.
Speaker 1: And that will be as always, that will be saved
Speaker 1: on our highlights on our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page,
Speaker 1: and we'll post it on our stories the day the
Speaker 1: episode comes out.
Speaker 2: And next week we'll be doing solitary Season eleven, episode three.
Speaker 2: The SVU never stops. We're obsessed with all of you.
Speaker 2: And if you're wondering where you can watch, it's Hulu,
Speaker 2: It's Peacock, It's a VPN peace out. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: care I found a childhood photo of me and on
Speaker 2: the TV screen is UPN like it like it says no,
Speaker 2: It's like at the moment, wait and now you're watching EPN,
Speaker 2: I will It's I'll show yeah, I will because I
Speaker 2: do love UPN.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for Lisa watching UPN. Thank you guys for listening,
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much to our producer Casey O'Brien and
Speaker 2: our associate producer Christina.
Speaker 1: Chamberlain, and to our mixer John Bradley and our guest
Speaker 1: booker Patrick Cottner, and to Henry Kaperski for our theme song,
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