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Speaker 1: Matt was two years ago here that we were having

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Speaker 1: similar conversations about Joe Burrow and yeah, right, and we

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Speaker 1: everyone was doing the measurement and you told me a

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Speaker 1: lot of people do it wrong, like they just hold

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Speaker 1: out their hand to measure it. You're supposed to like

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Speaker 1: break the wrist right and put it down. I'm a

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Speaker 1: little rusty from my scouting, but there is a technique

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Speaker 1: and it's not just like holding up in the air.

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Speaker 1: I saw everyone doing that on Twitter yesterday and I

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Speaker 1: was like, wait a second, you guys, you're not doing it.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna flatten it out right. But I know you

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Speaker 1: guys know what you're talking about. How big of a

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Speaker 1: deal is that hand size in your mind? When it's

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Speaker 1: a half inch smaller than anyone who has ever been

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Speaker 1: considered a remotely draftable guy in the last twenty years,

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Speaker 1: that matters. And you have to remember, I know, because

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh you need a quarterback. It's Kenny Pick comic fans,

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Speaker 1: right right, You guys recognize it's a smaller football in college.

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Speaker 1: It is a smaller It makes a difference. And I've

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Speaker 1: done a great h Kenny Picking on gradio right right,

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Speaker 1: But like I kind of have been if problem if

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Speaker 1: he was. Patrick Mahomes is a prospect and he pulled us.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, okay, okay, you know Michael Vick has

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Speaker 1: smaller hands, he's we we know what he's capable of.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett's whole thing is he's supposed to be the

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Speaker 1: safe choice at the NFL level, and he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: that guy who can come out and maybe it does

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Speaker 1: high high ceiling. Now you're worried about this other element

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Speaker 1: of things. Well, is he gonna fumble a lot? Is

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Speaker 1: he gonna have trouble with the cold weather? You know

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Speaker 1: they didn't have in college and things like that, And

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Speaker 1: it's one more thing that another data point to be

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Speaker 1: to be worried about for a guy that you weren't

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Speaker 1: a lot of us weren't like blown away by as

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Speaker 1: a top prospect. Weren't. Right of course, So you probably

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Speaker 1: don't know this, but Bill Lawly and I do it.

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Speaker 1: Quit on this in our every day We quote football

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Speaker 1: outsiders constantly dvo A like crazy. I think I thought

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Speaker 1: every Almanact that's ever been ever been published in the

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Speaker 1: history of football outsiders. But you guys now are moving

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Speaker 1: to the draft, right, I mean you're expanding a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what's going on there? Man, Yes, we're really

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Speaker 1: we're really up the draft coverage, you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: be more year round, and I'm spearheading that along with

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Speaker 1: Derrick Class and who also bleach reports some other sides

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Speaker 1: a QB Class on Twitter. Um, yeah, he does phenomenal

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Speaker 1: where he does the deep dive film stuff and I'm

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Speaker 1: around here interviewing aspects about their dogs and they're not

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Speaker 1: they've ever eaten Haggists and things like that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of what we're doing is is traditional stuff.

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Speaker 1: We're more mock draft. We have a thing called the

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Speaker 1: FO forty right now, which is your top forty prospects.

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Speaker 1: We also do top forty skill position prospects. If you're like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to look at the quarterbacks and receivers a

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Speaker 1: little more fantasy oriented little area on outside. We are

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Speaker 1: going to do a little more gambling orient when the

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Speaker 1: props come in and things like that. But you're also

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Speaker 1: gonna see Football Outsiders has also done things like que base,

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Speaker 1: which is taking college stats and metrics trying to project

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Speaker 1: the college to the pros Playmaker score for wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: backcast for running backs, and once we get these forty results,

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Speaker 1: we can do that because you know, you need three

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Speaker 1: cones and need something, guys, So you're gonna get all

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Speaker 1: of that good stuff plus some more conventional stuff as

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Speaker 1: you've done some of that for years though. I mean

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Speaker 1: it was like I think it's sacks seeker, the running

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Speaker 1: back scores, the combined forties in white weight and all

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Speaker 1: those things, and history has taught you a lot that way,

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Speaker 1: and it does, and what you can normally find is

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Speaker 1: a lot of it. The data can only do so much.

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Speaker 1: We can get three cones and sometimes for a college player,

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Speaker 1: you've got ten sacks and some freshures. You can find busts,

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Speaker 1: like sometimes we we identify those busts really well, and

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Speaker 1: you can find the sleepers very well. And that's what

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Speaker 1: this is about. Making sure you don't bust and hitting

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Speaker 1: a sleep or you know, hey, Thiboda is gonna be

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Speaker 1: real good, that'll be you can We have discovered Myles

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Speaker 1: Garrett right right, like mar Metrics says he's good. But

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Speaker 1: the most common things like we find and it's like

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Speaker 1: a red flag on the guy, and very often the

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Speaker 1: red flag turns out to be true. Some trait that's

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Speaker 1: missing that's gonna doom them in the NFL. Okay no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that very well said. That's that's interesting. That's

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Speaker 1: something that we kind of talk about a lot. The

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Speaker 1: just use of certain metrics and analytics in football is

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Speaker 1: is that something from your standpoint, that's becoming easier to do,

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Speaker 1: more widely accepted with all the resources and tools that

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Speaker 1: are available. Before you start, I want to throw this

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Speaker 1: out there too, because Mike and I were talking before

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Speaker 1: we were on the air. I guess a bunch of

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Speaker 1: you analytics folks, seeks, nerds, whatever, all got together and

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Speaker 1: it's not just handful of people anymore. I mean that

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Speaker 1: the growth of that area is remarkable. It is not.

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Speaker 1: There was a little a soiree, uh so to speak

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Speaker 1: was Aaron Schotz, who was the godfather, and he was

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Speaker 1: being treated like the godfather. Some people actually literally kissed

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Speaker 1: his rag, not really, but that he was. But he

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Speaker 1: was being fetted to a degree and stunning because I

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Speaker 1: was expecting to see, uh, you know, a dozen point

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Speaker 1: dexters there and it was like a hundred fifty point

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Speaker 1: fifty diverse people from different backgrounds and all different teams.

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Speaker 1: And these are empowered individuals in the in the front

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Speaker 1: office is and even in the coaching stances. So these

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Speaker 1: are people from actually teams. They're not they're not media

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Speaker 1: and fans. So these are guys with the team jersey

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Speaker 1: with a team. So I don't I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: that exactly. And there were some vendors they're trying to

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Speaker 1: sell them their stuff as well, but like, and they're

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Speaker 1: in four and five at the time, so it's a department.

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Speaker 1: It's not like one person orner who whispers into the

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Speaker 1: cap guys, you know, which you might have had a

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Speaker 1: couple of years. There's four or five people and they're

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Speaker 1: looking on all kind of things. Get the cap, they

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Speaker 1: look at long range, they look at dress data and

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Speaker 1: bringing it in and saying, what can we apply to

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Speaker 1: our draft scouting process? And fourth and one people gay

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Speaker 1: management fourth and one there are there as well, and

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Speaker 1: they're talking about big like over my head topics because

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just kind of there as like as

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Speaker 1: like the crazy uncle. Yeah real quick, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if you even know this answer, but the a f

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Speaker 1: C North, where would you rank those teams in terms

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Speaker 1: of their stress of analytics or the use of analytics?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Browns and Ravens are near

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Speaker 1: the top of list. Yes, yes, the Browns are very

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Speaker 1: open about it. You know, two different regimes that came in.

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Speaker 1: Their Ravens have been using them for decades. But some

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Speaker 1: of the things the Ravens, but they put an ad

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Speaker 1: out on Twitter like two years ago, like we're gonna

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Speaker 1: hire people off and they hired off Twitter. Yeah, hired

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Speaker 1: people off Twitter. And there might have been a little

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Speaker 1: turning for that, but I think I saw some of

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Speaker 1: the people that they hired off Twitter there. But even

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Speaker 1: before that, they were one of the teams that was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, free agency, We're gonna let the guy

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Speaker 1: go in exchange for the third round supplemental throws gold

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Speaker 1: and the Compics were gold and they figured this out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got rid of the thirty one year old and

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Speaker 1: we got in a guy. We trained them up for

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Speaker 1: two years and doing that and it was very quiet

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, but that's what they were doing. I

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Speaker 1: don't know from a Steelers standpoint, how much I know

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Speaker 1: they have a department, of course, I don't know how much.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Bengals are like six people, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl team, but I think they only have

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Speaker 1: three scouts, So how many anilts people people have come on,

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Speaker 1: they don't have an indoor facility right right in the rain. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it offens them up. I guess since we brought up Bengals,

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Speaker 1: I gotta are they here to stay? You trust them?

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Speaker 1: You know, Like we had a Bengals beat reporter on

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Speaker 1: yesterday the day before and every was so afraid of

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Speaker 1: the Bengals. Now they have all this cap room and

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Speaker 1: they have their quarterback and those things are true, but

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Speaker 1: there's an art to winning. You know. The Ravens and

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Speaker 1: Steelers were doing this a long time. I would trust

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Speaker 1: them less if it wasn't so obvious. The one job

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Speaker 1: they have in the offseason and they have the money

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Speaker 1: to do right, Like you have one job offensive line?

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Speaker 1: That is it? Like there's like no thought has to

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Speaker 1: go in fantasy. I could come in and say, go

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Speaker 1: get Trent Williams or you know right, whoever you name,

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Speaker 1: and it'll be better, right, and it will be better

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Speaker 1: now that there was a flukey element to them. I

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Speaker 1: think their schedules ranked a Football Outsiders twenty ninth last year,

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Speaker 1: so they have twenty nine ranks scheduling. Quite a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams are injury times and things like that. They

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Speaker 1: were remarkably healthy. Yeah, you can get in the Playoffbviously

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Speaker 1: faced the Raiders first round, etcetera. They get hot at

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Speaker 1: the end. Obviously they were there were team. But when

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Speaker 1: you got to worry about is uh is Aaron shows

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Speaker 1: around the numbers. Preliminarily we don't know what the rosters

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Speaker 1: look like, but the best estimate right now, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have the easiest schedule. And I saw that the way

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Speaker 1: too early dv O as a new thing. You guys

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Speaker 1: have going out too. I was excited to see it.

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Speaker 1: And then they look at well, they're playing the the NFC.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is playing the NFC. Sap you get, you know,

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Speaker 1: what's left of the Buccaneers and what's left of the

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Speaker 1: rot of the Saints. The poor poor Falcons. My gosh,

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Speaker 1: the Falcons might pick first overall next year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the the worst team in football next year. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to say because they've got these veterans that are kind

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Speaker 1: of okay, but they have to keep because they're all

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Speaker 1: making eight trillion dollars, so like so they so they're

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Speaker 1: like they're built to get like seven wins and not

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Speaker 1: get the top of the draft. You know, it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: go be the Jets for a year. But the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: so they're going to have like a softer still they're

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Speaker 1: getting guys back, and that's that's that's the team you

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Speaker 1: have to look out for. Like watch the sixth situation.

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Speaker 1: I hear you going back to the Steelers here quarterback situation.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you know, big conversation and there's it feels like

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Speaker 1: kind of two camps amongst this, the one that say

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Speaker 1: you gotta bring in somebody who can win right now

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Speaker 1: because you look at the defense, You've got cam Hey,

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Speaker 1: where do you got t J? Wat You got makea Fitzpatrick.

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Speaker 1: You can't afford to waste years with those guys. Some

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Speaker 1: other people they saw the eight team, Ben Rob the

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Speaker 1: Spurger and how the Steelers traditionally build through the draft

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Speaker 1: and they want to be patient in that regard. Do

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Speaker 1: you look at at a at a right answer in

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Speaker 1: that for the Steelers or does it just able to

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Speaker 1: accomplish in free agency? How the dominoes fall in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen picks before you in the draft. And Mike, this

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Speaker 1: organization is never gonna do the win two games team.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna put seven hundred and seventy million dollars in

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Speaker 1: all of their draft picks and go rushing for a

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Speaker 1: guy exactly. And that's the thing. The wind now guy

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Speaker 1: isn't coming through the door. He's not out there. You're

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Speaker 1: not going after the trinity of Rogers, Wilson, Watson. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the the Holts did everything short of toss Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: at the back of a suck and drive ninety miles. Aw.

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Speaker 1: You don't want any action that you don't want the

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Speaker 1: garoppolo at the garpo action doesn't excite me. And then yeah,

641
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Speaker 1: and then you look at the draft. So they're not there.

642
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Speaker 1: And this is an organ and of course the GM

643
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Speaker 1: is changing, so we don't know that the philosophy might

644
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Speaker 1: change slightly. Must be not so much. Nothing changes here

645
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: too quickly. I mean, I've seen three coaches in my lifetime. Yeah, yeah,

646
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Speaker 1: they're not They're not gonna bring in some radical and alright,

647
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Speaker 1: blow the thing up. This is a team that could say, yet,

648
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Speaker 1: we're just gonna take our time this year and we'll

649
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Speaker 1: give Rudolph a chance, and happens a chance, we'll have

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Speaker 1: somebody a third and we'll just wait it out. Any

651
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Speaker 1: team that say we're gonna wait it out of your

652
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Speaker 1: not tank, Yeah, but like we're gonna make sure t. J.

653
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Speaker 1: Watt's contract is taken care of. It's the Steelers. They

654
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Speaker 1: don't for that. They know the fans will rent Rave

655
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Speaker 1: and be there next year guaranteed Tom wanna win nine

656
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Speaker 1: games exactly exactly. Um. Afterget the other question, Oh, the

657
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Speaker 1: champs Bengals are the runner up. I think the Bills

658
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Speaker 1: are the best team in the league. Is who do

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Speaker 1: you think is the class of the NFL right now?

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Speaker 1: If I'm looking at the roster up and down and

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Speaker 1: saying strengths and weak this is it's the Bills. It's

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. If it's like the go go go factor. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if you look some sloppy this this year, and

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Speaker 1: they were sloppy even at their best, but there are

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Speaker 1: another team, It's like, okay, get get an edge rusher,

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Speaker 1: a better edge rusher or whatever, and just go out

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Speaker 1: there and and like run the ball once in a while,

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Speaker 1: like when at fourth and one, don't run triple option

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Speaker 1: reverse double Deluxe N three Cotton Bowl beer play, just

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Speaker 1: hand off or have Kelsey is back quarterback Blake Bell

671
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Speaker 1: and Kelsey in the background. Why you have Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Come the hell on? If you look at Vegas. I

673
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Speaker 1: think I haven't checked recently, but it's like who's gonna

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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl next year? And and it's Bills

675
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Speaker 1: and Chiefs. So they're telling you that. It's telling you

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Speaker 1: we we can see the Rams are strong, but like

677
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Speaker 1: they're one injury away from what. That's it. One of

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00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 1: the big five guys is gone. We're going. Bengals are

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Speaker 1: in the second tier down there, the Packers. We know

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Speaker 1: what the Packers are gonna do. They're gonna thirteen games.

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Speaker 1: And then Rogers is going anywhere. Adams isn't going anywhere.

682
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Speaker 1: Adams is not going anywhere. And Rogers, you know, he

683
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: hates this drama so much. He doesn't He's going to

684
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Speaker 1: go on the McAfee show tomorrow to talk about his

685
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: uh how much he hates all the attention. Um, like

686
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Speaker 1: wake me when it's over. One more for you before

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Speaker 1: we let you go. Um. Because Matt mentioned the Rams there,

688
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know, copycat league. Every league

689
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Speaker 1: a copycat league, but I think especially the NFL, when

690
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Speaker 1: you see how the Rams have done without a first

691
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Speaker 1: round pick for years, going for it, trading draft capital,

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Speaker 1: signing free agents, a non traditional way. Maybe compared to

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Speaker 1: a lot of organizations. Do you see that influencing the

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Speaker 1: other teams or they maybe it's just still a one

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Speaker 1: off to a degree. Remember the Buccaneers kind of did

696
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Speaker 1: it too, And so you can build, you have to

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Speaker 1: have the infrastructure in place. So like we look at

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, we have some team that went,

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Speaker 1: we're wins. Let's trade off our draft picks and try

700
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Speaker 1: to get guys. The guys won't come in because they'll

701
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: veto of the trade and everything, but there are if

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Speaker 1: you're a team this close and maybe the one quarterback

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Speaker 1: can do it. I think that there have been phone

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Speaker 1: calls for Russell Wilson for a team that might have

705
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Speaker 1: made the playoffs and that three first round picks for example.

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Speaker 1: But if the phone call doesn't work, you don't you

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Speaker 1: don't you don't sacrifice everything for us. So I think

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Speaker 1: it could happen, but it's not going to be a

709
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Speaker 1: new paradigm because the circumstances have to be just right.

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Speaker 1: And I know you guys are football siders, are all

711
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Speaker 1: over this, but when everyone talks about the Rams team building,

712
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: drives me crazy that no one mentions, well, they don't

713
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Speaker 1: care about the draft at all. They trade all their picks.

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Speaker 1: They make like eight to twelve picks every draft because

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Speaker 1: their comp pick masters like the Ravens. They let Joshton

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Speaker 1: go to the Browns and they'll get a third in return,

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Speaker 1: and that's gonna be their next guard. And then they'll

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00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: let him go in four years and they'll get a

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Speaker 1: third in return for him. There's more to the process.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna buy shining thing. And I thinkink

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Speaker 1: Jordan at the Athletic Road about it. It's like when

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Speaker 1: they're on the fourth, fifth round, it's like, we need

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Speaker 1: the guy with this one Like we're not trying to

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Speaker 1: blow the world. You can do this one thing where

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Speaker 1: we're gonna fit him in there because that's all we're

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Speaker 1: looking at. Donald's gonna get triple team. So you'd be

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Speaker 1: the gap shooting guy comes behind him and that's all

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Speaker 1: you know. It's like and it's degraded approach. Yeah right,

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00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: it's more than just I like that Shinye von Miller things.

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Speaker 1: There's more to it than that. Absolutely, he Football Outsiders

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Speaker 1: kind enough to join us give us some of his

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Speaker 1: time here on radio Road. Thank you, Mike, as a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Take care of guys and enjoy the rest of your time.

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Speaker 1: Oh we will. Absolutely We're gonna be here until four o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Plenty more to come from the Indiana Convention Center. Are

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Speaker 1: Combine coverage continues on a center live from Indianapolis. This

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Speaker 1: is continuing cover each of the NFL Combine on Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio. Our fourth day here on Radio Row on

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Speaker 1: s n R continues a reminder. Our coverage brought to

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Speaker 1: you by First National Bank. Let's get started, f D.

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Speaker 1: I see Wesley Ueler, Matt Williamson with you here and

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Speaker 1: are just streak of outstanding guests continues up here with

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Speaker 1: us now Tony Pauline, Pro Football Network Tony Big Night,

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Speaker 1: last night quarterback out at Lucas Oil Stadium in prime time.

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Speaker 1: Biggest takeaway that you had from from last night's proceedings

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Speaker 1: as Real much faster uh than expected, Christian Watson. I

747
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: mean I knew I had written at Pro Football on

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Speaker 1: Network earlier the week that I expected Taekwon Thornton to

749
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Speaker 1: run into two twos, which he did. I was glad

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Speaker 1: to see Chris Olave run as fast as he did.

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Speaker 1: Shakira of Boisy State Realm much faster than I would

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Speaker 1: have expected, and I think we got a lot what

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Speaker 1: we expected from the quarterback. They were up and down.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was no dominant performance. Molik Willis had

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Speaker 1: some phenomenal throws and then he had some throws where

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Speaker 1: you say, yeah, this guy needs work. And same thing

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Speaker 1: with Kenny Pickett. I think C. M. Howell was consistent,

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Speaker 1: but he's got some limitation. Obviously we didn't see that

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Speaker 1: correl A lot of people talking about Desmond Ritter, you know,

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Speaker 1: the numbers he put up, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that people saw that thing or not. We knew it

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Speaker 1: was a good athlete, maybe not a tremendous athlete. Where

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Speaker 1: are you at on him? I mean is he where

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Speaker 1: is he in your packing order? What are your concerns?

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Speaker 1: What are your strengths? Weakness? Is all the about He's

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Speaker 1: probably right now for five or number six, I mean after,

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Speaker 1: you know, after obviously Molik Willis, corral Sam Howell, can

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Speaker 1: you pick it? And then he's there. His strengths are

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Speaker 1: the fact he's a winner, you know, I mean he

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Speaker 1: constantly produces. His strengths are his physical abilities, the arm strength,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the athleticism that we saw yesterday on

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Speaker 1: this a ah he doesn't make mistakes, He sees things.

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Speaker 1: His accuracy is a major concern for me. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about statistical accuracy. I'm saying if you break

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Speaker 1: down the film, you constantly see whether it be Alec Pierce, uh,

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Speaker 1: the receiver, whether you see the tight end the other

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Speaker 1: kid that was there adjusting backwards to grab throws being

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Speaker 1: their feet which leads to a loss of opportunity running

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Speaker 1: have to catch. You often see him with throw wide

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Speaker 1: open receivers, and that's something that can be tough. I know,

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Speaker 1: he takes a little bit of too long of a

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Speaker 1: step into his throws, which is why the passes go where.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen, you know, we've seen people with

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Speaker 1: poor technique like Philip Rivers have great careers, and we've

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Speaker 1: seen people technique like EJ. Manuel have So that's my

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Speaker 1: concern with the ritter. Does his body type of his

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Speaker 1: small he's lean, you know, does that worry with him?

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Speaker 1: In Corral? Uh? More so Corral than the Ritter. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean Kyler Murray is the first pick in the

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00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: dress Biker Mayfield was. Yeah, I mean it does with Corral,

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Speaker 1: especially because yeah, I don't know, he's a two RPO quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But when you watch Corral play, he was a tough

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Speaker 1: guy running the ball, the ball between the tackles, and

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Speaker 1: he would take a hit, which is the next level.

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Speaker 1: It's like watching Josh Allen. I mean, anytime Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: does that, I kind of cringe and pray for the best.

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Speaker 1: And he's a big, big guy. Tony obviously quarterback has

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Speaker 1: been conversation one, two, and three in Pittsburgh. You know,

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Speaker 1: you lose your future Hall of Famer really for the

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Speaker 1: first time in teen years now, asking who's going to

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00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: be qb one, a name that keeps getting thrown out

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00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: by fans by media. Mitch Drobiski heard it again this morning.

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Speaker 1: You think Bible option for the Steelers. You know, I

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00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: reported it first last week. I said it was Mr Robinsky,

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00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: I said it was Teddy Rutter, and I said Jamis Winston.

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00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: And I heard again this this morning from a source

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Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with the situation, has nothing

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00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: to do do with the Steelers, has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: Mr Drobiski. They seem to be targeting uh Trabinsky himself,

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Speaker 1: and Trabisky is the talk of the town here as

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Speaker 1: far as the free agent quarterbacks to concern he's gonna

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Speaker 1: get a lot of money. So I continue to hear

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Speaker 1: Robinsky in free agency draft the quarterback early if they

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00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: possibly can, and move forward, which I think is a

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00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: phenomenal strategy. Okay, because if you signed Trobisky, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to sign him, You're probably gonna have to pay

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Speaker 1: more for him now than what you thought coming into

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Speaker 1: the combine, and you keep him around for a couple

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Speaker 1: of years. If you can get a guy like Malik

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Speaker 1: Willis or even a Matt Corral and you can basically

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Speaker 1: set him for a year. Patrick Mahomes, I'll know what

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Speaker 1: we so out in. It's a I think it's a

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00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: terrific strategy. What I like about that too, is you

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Speaker 1: don't go in the draft saying I have to get

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Speaker 1: a guy. If he falls to and it works out,

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Speaker 1: great or if you could give a little to move up,

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00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: great and but if it doesn't happen and you don't

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Speaker 1: draft a quarterback this year, so it's not the end

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Speaker 1: of the world, you know, and he hops out with Rabisky,

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Speaker 1: know I mean, I think Trabisky was put in a

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Speaker 1: bad spot. I think he was overradd from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: He was ridiculously overdrafted. It was a bad situation. You

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Speaker 1: could probably make the argument he probably should have stayed

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Speaker 1: in school one year because he only had run start

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Speaker 1: season at North Carolina. So I mean maybe the second

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Speaker 1: time around, after sitting behind Josh Allen, what works out

837
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Speaker 1: for him? Yeah, and if they don't go quarterback and

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Speaker 1: round twenty area, A lot of people are thinking old

839
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Speaker 1: line and I definitely want to get your thought on

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00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: some old lineman. But the guy that we haven't brought

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00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: up yet since we've been here at the combine is

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00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: George's and Davis. He's gonna be working out here coming up.

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00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: He is a rare prospect. I mean, but in today's NFL,

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Speaker 1: are you taking him at twenty? I mean, what do

845
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Speaker 1: you if he's there? I'm jumping all over Listen. I

846
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: think too many times people coming with these notions and

847
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: the pigeonhole these guys, well, he's a two down players,

848
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: not a paste crap With Jordan Davis. I mean, what's

849
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis. He's a fantastic athlete. I mean he's a

850
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: guy that he's not just an in the box guy.

851
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can change direction, pursue outside of

852
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: the box and make plays in space. You know those

853
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: outside runs he chases down sec running by Its crazy.

854
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just he's He's not just a

855
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: gap occupier, He's a playmaker. They say, well, the conditioning, okay,

856
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: I would like to seem shed a few pounds. But

857
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: the fact is this, they had so much depth on

858
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: that Georgia defensive line. I mean, why not rotate the

859
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: guys in and when he was there, he was double

860
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: team and he was clogging up the middle line. If

861
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: he was not making plays on the bowl handler of

862
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: the quarterback, I think, as far as I'm concerned, he's

863
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: a top ten talent in this draft. I don't know

864
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: that he goes top ten, but he's got type that

865
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: type of ability in a class that's very weak at

866
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Correct me if I'm wrong with him in

867
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: the Georgia situation. But we know that why it's gonna

868
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: be really well. But when I noticed Georgia offenses definitely

869
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: played them different when Davis was on the field. And

870
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: not only the rest of their front seven loaded with

871
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be drafted left and right, But I

872
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: heard they have a defensive tackle who might be a

873
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: top ten pick next year to a couple of guys.

874
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Number I think you're talked about number eighty eight. I

875
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: don't know the name, to be honest, but yeah, I

876
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: mean it's they're turning into almost Alabama white. I think

877
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: that Georgia bands would get offended when I say that,

878
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: since they won the nation. FAM is pretty staffed, but

879
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: they've got, you know, they've got a dominant defense kind

880
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: of guys in the draft this year. They just gotta

881
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: get a good quarterback. Becau. See what happens with the

882
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: kid from USC who's never panned out. The transfer that

883
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: point is he only played twenty snaps, but if you

884
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: would have paid and played sixty STAPs, exactive guys everywhere.

885
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: It's like the U back tony position green to defensive

886
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: tackle not not the strongest in in this year's draft.

887
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: Feels like edge rusher is the opposite of that eight

888
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: or nine guys with the first round grades on him.

889
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: Is that fair? I think it's a little bit less

890
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: than that. I think there's a lot of guys at

891
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: the top, and most of those guys at the top,

892
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: whether it be Ade Hutchinson, whether it be uh Cavon, Thibadeau,

893
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: or though there's some red flegs about him, Davena Jabu,

894
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: who I absolutely love, George car laftis George again, Trayvon

895
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: Walker or other people say, well he's not an edge rusher. Well,

896
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: he did a lot of different things. I think Georgia

897
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: transferred to Florida State, Johnson, John Jermane Jack tremendous senior

898
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: Bowl Um, we could senior Bowl practices. So yeah, I

899
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: mean listen, before the league went quick and quarterbacks were overdrafted,

900
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: the objective in the draft was come out of the

901
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: draft with an impact defensive player. And there's that potential

902
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: this year, especially at the top of the draft. I

903
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: don't think the Steelers any shot at Cross, at Kuanu

904
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: or Neil at offensive tackle? What about Penning? What about Raymond?

905
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: What about any of the others. I think Raymond's a

906
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: bit overrated. He's a ways away. I like Penning a lot.

907
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: Raymond's years old already, and I don't think he's a

908
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: left tackle. He's a big guy who's got a you know,

909
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: really developed I like Penning. I think Penning is strictly

910
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: a right tackle. I think whether he fits the Raiders

911
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: or whether he's fits the Steelers. He's a good fit.

912
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy who would come in right away. Um,

913
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: he's a big guy who plays with excellent leverage and fundamentals,

914
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: and that's what you want to see. You know, people talk, wow,

915
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: he's a big guy, buries his head in the ground.

916
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: I look to see there's a guy bend, hiss, knees

917
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: this to play with balance, get his hands, and Petty

918
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: does those those things reasonably well for a guy that's

919
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: almost six seven any day two tackles that ticlarly fancy

920
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: at all. Uh. I happen to love Rashid Walker Penn State.

921
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: I think Rashid Walker is probably one of the best

922
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: pure left hack in this draft. It's not working out

923
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: here at the combine. He played the middle of the

924
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: season last year with a torn meniscus when he really

925
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't had that, surgically repenting out the Pence Day prote

926
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: You watch Racheid Walker, not just this year, go back

927
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: to his freshman tape. He's a terrific left tackle. Some fundamentals,

928
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: great footwork off the edge, excellent lateral blocking range, a

929
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: guy that can block emotion. He's gotta get a little

930
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: bit stronger. Got learned to finish his blocks, especially the

931
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: rum box. But I absolutely don't listen, don't take my

932
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: word for it. Watch the film on it. I mean,

933
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: watch the Penn Stay film. I I mean the ability

934
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: to slide laterally. You know, people talk about Charles Cross

935
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: Rashid Walkers. The mentals are much better than Charles Cross

936
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: and Rashid Walker. Unlike Charles Cross has consistently come out

937
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: of a three point stance. You watch Charles Cross, He's

938
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: constantly standing up at a two points stance. Now he's

939
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: got to learn thing completely different, which is a concern

940
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: for me. Last one, I've got for you a name

941
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: that's starting to get a lot of buzz in Pittsburgh.

942
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: He's a local kid, Shady Side Academy, played high school

943
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: football with Mike Tomlin's son. Sky Moore had a great

944
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: night last night as well. To any chance he's still

945
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 1: there at fifty two when the Steelers have their second

946
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: round pick, I think so, because what happened is after

947
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: the last night, a lot of those receivers are gonna

948
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: be pushed up. The Board's gonna finally start to get

949
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: the credit that he deserves after his workout. You know,

950
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: I like Sky more. I don't love him. I do

951
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: think there's a chief. I think there's a real possibility

952
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: he's there Laton round two. But you know with the Steelers,

953
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, do they restructure Deante Thompson. I think that's

954
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: something that they got to look at the off season.

955
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: Are they're gonna resign questions right now? Yeah, But they've

956
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: been really good Day two drafting receivers and they love

957
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: too and that's that's one position that do they do

958
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: a great job developing. It sounds like you agree, though,

959
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: that rounds two and three are pretty loaded with receivers

960
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: as usual. Solid I think it's offensive tackle. I think

961
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: it's loaded at tight endy. But I mean, I think

962
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: we've been spoiled with a couple of consecutive drafts that

963
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: had great depth and great quality at the receiver position.

964
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: And what happens that's problem primarily because you have so

965
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: many underclassmen who went to the draft, so it dilutes

966
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: the position in the future because old airs that would

967
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: have been seniors and juniors this year have are actually

968
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: are either in the league or past drafts. Tony Pauline

969
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: Pro Football Network kind enough to give us some of

970
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: his time here on Radio row. Always a pleasure, Thank you,

971
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: and we don't even get to talk about led Zeppe

972
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: ze stuff. Come on, okay, real quick. This guy knows music,

973
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: man he does. Yeah. Matt calls me the world's young, grateful,

974
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: dead and led Zeppelin enthusiast contest his father's in Pittsford Symphony.

975
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy can grow up around music. Led

976
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: Zeppelin four, greatest album of all time, Physical Graffiti fors

977
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: close Physical Graffiti, and really, when you think about it,

978
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: some a lot of songs on Physical Graffiti we're actually

979
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: recorded for Zeppelin three and Zeppelin four, so you know

980
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: it's uh. The Rover was recorded for Zeppea four and

981
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: that's one of their most underrated songs of all time.

982
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: One of our ten years ago Summer one ten years ago. Yeah, yeah,

983
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: absolutely on that album. Yeah you took any die hard

984
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: Zeppelin fan who stay die hard Zepplin fans. It's Achilles

985
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: Last Stand or ten years going. I'm out on a

986
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: titles fan myself a good one, the best guy talk

987
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: NFL Draft with the Talk led Zepplin with Tony Pauline,

988
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: Pro Football Network, Thanks to you have me again. Absolutely

989
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