1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: dot com. The Giants part of the Giants podcast Net. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giant Huttle podcast. John 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Schmolke with you today's guests former NFL linebacker and Fox 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: NFL analyst Chris Spielman. The first one to remind you 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: that The Giants Huddle podcast is part of the Giants 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Podcast Network, which is presented by Investors Bank. You can 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: find it on the Giants mobile app, your favorite podcast platforms, 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: and Giants dot com slash podcast. Now we're joined by 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: our guest. He is Chris Spielman. He will be on 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: the call for Fox Sunday at one o'clock the Giants 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: visiting the Cincinnati Bengals. Chris, thanks so much for being 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: with us, and Happy Thanksgiving. Well, happy Thanksgiving, and before 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: we get started, I just want to say what a 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: great job the Giants website, podcast and all this information 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: that they have for the fans and for guys like me. Uh, 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: It's a big part of my preparation. And the best 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: part of it is that I don't have to waste 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: coaches or players times when I've already seen them interviewed 20 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: and talked about and all that stuff. So I just 21 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of teams do that, but I think 22 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: the Giants to really do a great job of that. 23 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that. I wouldn't tell you that 24 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: if it wasn't real. So I just wanted to let 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: who who's ever charted that, thank you from our for 26 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: our profession and it saves everybody time, including the coaches 27 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: and players. Well, Chris, thank you very much. I appreciate that. 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: I will certainly send that up the old poll and 29 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: uh uh, let the guys know we do work hard 30 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: on that, and thank you very much. So the Giants are, 31 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: believe it or not, three and seven right in the 32 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,279 Speaker 1: middle of this division race. Chris. They've won two straight, 33 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: two games where they did not turn the bowl over. 34 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: A big reason why they've won two straight. Where have 35 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: you seen the Giants grow the most as as as 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: you've kind of gone over their game tape heading into 37 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: this game against the Bengals, Well, the running game right 38 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: the last five games, and I have our I have 39 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: a stat where we talked about it in one of 40 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: our production meetings about the graphic for rushing yards for 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: the first five games. As opposed to the last five games. 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: Here's something new we did this on the Eagles broadcast 43 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: is that the r p O s are are are 44 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: as part of the Giants offense now and when Sae 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: Kwon does come back, Yeah, I think it will be 46 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: a main part of their offense for Jason Garrett moving forward. 47 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Because of Daniel Jones ability to run the football. I mean, 48 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: it was just so impressed with him on film and 49 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: his ability to read that zone read and then also 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: throw off of that. If you can put that and 51 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: use that accordingly, it's such a difficult guy to stop 52 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: and you force the defense to kind of play like 53 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: the old triple option when even back when I played, 54 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: when we played against Wish phone teams or triple option teams, 55 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: one guy has a one guy have to have the handoff. 56 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: One guy have to have to dive and know by 57 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: the way you gotta be alert for the past off 58 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: of that. So everybody just has to be disciplined in 59 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: their assignments. If not, I think, you know, Daniel Jones, 60 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: especially on short yards and goal line, like I mentioned, 61 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: it is such a threat with the football and he's 62 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: doing a very good job. I think we and he 63 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: decided in the broadcast. I can't quite remember, but I 64 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: just remember watching the film of of protecting that football 65 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: inside that pocket, he's getting two hands on it and 66 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: um also when he's about to take contact. The only 67 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: thing I would like to see for him, because I 68 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: think it's vital for the Giants offense to continue to improve, 69 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: is that he's got to learn when to protect himself 70 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: and use the rules that the league is set up 71 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: to protect the quarterbacks to his advance. As far as 72 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: being a runner and the guy that I would advise 73 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: two guys that I think he needs to watch tape 74 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: on as far as running in the football or Kyler 75 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: Murray and Russell Wilson who have mastered the ability to 76 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: use the rules from their advantage to get as many 77 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: yards as they can. And oh, by the way, they 78 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: do a great job of not taking any unnecessary hits. Now, Chris, 79 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm with you, and you know it's funny. Dak Prescott 80 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: was one of those guys too, right, and he seemed invincible. 81 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: He's such a big guy, just like Daniel Jones. But 82 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: you never know. You get hit the wrong way that 83 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: one time and all of a sudden everything changes. But 84 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny targets. Another thing was not a 85 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: big target. It's not a big target. Very easy for 86 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: those guys to get that on the ground. Absolutely, and 87 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: it's funny, you know. And the thing about Daniel Jones 88 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: running the ball, Chris, you know, he isn't keeping the 89 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: ball and running for six or seven yards. He's keeping 90 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: the ball and getting explosive plays. And you're right. I 91 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: was watching the um watching back they winning against Philadelphia, 92 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: and you see that backside safety, you see that backside linebacker. 93 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: They have to wait that at your second or two 94 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: to attack Wing Golman, to attack Alfred Morris. And it 95 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: really does create extra room in that running game when 96 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: you have to worry about Jones pulling it and running 97 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: for a potential big play. Well, and you saw I 98 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: think it was Sweat kid from Philadelphia came on that 99 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: first touchdown run by Daniel in the last game. My memory, 100 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: I think he's right on. This is either Sweat or 101 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Burnett jumped inside on the handoff and Daniel had a 102 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: great read, tucked it and went in for the touchdown. 103 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I think the receivers are are doing 104 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: a good job. Austin Max stepped up in Austin is 105 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: an interesting guy, got a boatload of talent, really good 106 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: tracker the deep ball. If Golden's mind is right, and 107 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: I understand, you know, he's he's a competitor, he wants 108 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: the ball. I get all that. Hopefully all that's behind him, 109 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: because when he's mind is right, he's a really really 110 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: good player. Slayton burst onto the scene last year. Then 111 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: if Evan, in my opinion, just get a little bit 112 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: more consistent. I mean, he is a I'm thinking of 113 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: a defensive like the mind of a defensive coordinator right now, 114 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: he's such a nightmare matchup. Man, it's just because what 115 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: are you gonna You're gonna put on them, so you 116 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: almost have to take two. So when you take two 117 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: to put on O and then you you know, then 118 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: your guys outside are working one on one and they 119 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: got to win those battles. But I think they're coming along. 120 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: And I don't know what the feelings of Wayne Ballman 121 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: is in New York. The feeling I have about him. 122 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: I love the guy. Man. I'm not saying he's a 123 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: one eight, but he's definitely a one beat and the 124 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: way he's taking advantage of I don't know if it's 125 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: just his second or third opportunity, but the way he's 126 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: taking the fan and so that's that's something I love 127 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: to see any player do. It's a feel good story 128 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: for me. And I'm all about the guys that you know, 129 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: get knocked back or hanging on by limb get another 130 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: opportunity and make the most of it. And I think, uh, 131 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: the emergence of Wayne Gallman has been fun for a 132 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: football fan, not not a Giant fan, just a football 133 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: fan to see him kind of come into his own. 134 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: So it's been really impressed with him on the offensive 135 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: side of the ball, not Chris, we agree, and he 136 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: kind of fits that one cut downhill power scheme in 137 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: the right game. And you know, they run a lot 138 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: of counters, they run a lot of those you know, 139 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: double teams, get to the second level type stuff and 140 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: and that kind of leads us to the offensive line. Right. 141 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: So the Giants made the move at the bye week, 142 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: Um they moved on from our Columbia I all right, 143 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: Uh and Dave, it is the biggest story ever, Chris, 144 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: So how do you think that now impacts how the 145 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: Giants work here on the offensive? Only Joe Jogo was 146 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: asked the other day, said, look, we're not gonna make 147 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: wholesale changes because in weekend that, frankly is cookie talk crazy. 148 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: So how do you think that does affect the schemes 149 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: offensive line to individual players with technique? How is this 150 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: going to impact the giants of the final six games? 151 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: I want you to pronounce his name a game because 152 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: I gotta practice this, David de Gulielmo Nice. A lot 153 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: of Italians in New York. I have practice christ. Look 154 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: here's uh, obviously it's a bigger story in New York. 155 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: It's a big story, but it's you know, I get 156 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: all these clippings, and you know, Pat does a great 157 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: job with the pr sending everything all that. So I'm 158 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: just tired of hearing about it, right, and and look 159 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: at it like this. I'm a I'm a back when 160 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: I was a player, all right. The buddies that I'm 161 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: playing besides just flew his a cl and hiss Achilles tenon. 162 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: He's gone. It doesn't matter, doesn't change the mission. I 163 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: feel bad for him. Next guy in there, and you know, 164 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: I get I've been on teams. I forget the year 165 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: I fired our offensive coordinator. We twelve new guys call 166 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 1: him plays. It doesn't matter. We still have your job 167 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: to do. And here's the key to success. I believe 168 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: in this, and this is leadership. It's leadership at all 169 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: levels in all different uh uh whatever sports. But I'm 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: around football coaches and this is what I've learned about 171 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: this COVID year and about leadership. Okay, Leadership is defined 172 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: by being responsible, by being courageous, by being optimistic, and 173 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: by pushing forward no matter what the circumstances. It's not 174 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: defined by blame, shame or guilt. That's not leadership leadership. 175 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: The guy is always moving everybody forward, no matter the circumstances. 176 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: I've seen it with good teams this year, and maybe 177 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: teams could have struggled. Everybody's looking to point to finger 178 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: this or that. It doesn't matter who's the offensive line coach. 179 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: You can bring grandma in. Grandmother could coach offensive line 180 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: by the way. She had great techniques on beating hands 181 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: and she could tell the guys, hey, you gotta get 182 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: your hands inside, Hey you gotta cut of, gotta get 183 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: a cut off walk. And guys are gonna listen to 184 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: whoever there's coach to at this. This is the key 185 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: it's not about playing for coaches, it's not about playing 186 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: for fans, it's not about playing for ownership. It's not 187 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: even about playing for your family. It's about playing for 188 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: each other. And when every man is committed to play 189 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: for each other, to play for your brother, to play 190 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: for that guy next to you that's actually in the arena. 191 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: When you get that feeling, then guess who benefits the coaches, 192 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: the fans, the ownership, and the families. And that's the key. 193 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: That's got to be the number one thing. And that's 194 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: what I see the Giant players do is no matter 195 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: what the circumstances are to me, they are playing for 196 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: each other. And that's a good thing. And that's credit 197 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: to Joe. Don't play for Joe, Judge, play for you. 198 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, No, of course, I'm with you, and I 199 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: think have to like by the way the progress we've 200 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: seen from this team. Look, everyone knew for a team 201 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: like the Giants, who was gonna be a slow start 202 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: this year, right, They had a really tough schedule, Rams, Bears, Steelers, 203 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: forty nine teams have returned all their coaches from last year. 204 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: You have a young team, it was gonna be a 205 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: rough start. But what have you seen from this team 206 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: that should make Giant fans confident that they have their 207 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: head coach here For the long go so close games 208 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: they were losing, then they started winning close games. Right 209 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: the first loss to Philadelphia, they could have went to 210 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: tank and so oh, here we go again, but they didn't. 211 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: They bounced back and beat Washington. Then they beat Philadelphia quarterback, 212 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: then turn the ball over. Defect is getting better. I 213 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: think Uh bad Gentleman made some really good auditions at 214 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: front four. I love the front four of the Giants. 215 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: I think the addition of Blake was big. There's consistency 216 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: and stability at the middle linebacker positions. Just making play. 217 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: He's not making played seven yards down the field. He's 218 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: making plays where linebacker is supposed to be playing. Bradberry 219 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: has been tremendous. Uh. The addition of Logan Ryan Jabrill Peppers. 220 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: If you don't love football players, and I mean Jabrill 221 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: is average man and man guy, but a really really 222 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: good football player all around. Those are guys you can 223 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: win with because they're good and they play for each other, 224 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: and it seems to me that there's no egos involved 225 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: on that defective side of the ball. No, there is 226 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: any playing better by the way the past two weeks 227 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: in my opinion, No, he is, and Chris. The funny 228 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: thing about it is and you gotta give Patrick Graham credit. 229 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: Al right. He comes from that uh Belichick school where 230 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, if you gave him some truth sire, and 231 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: he'd want to play a lot of cover one right, 232 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: play a lot of man demand pressure, up, bump and run. 233 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: But he saw pretty early that look, I don't have 234 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: necessarily the horses to do that. This team is best 235 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: suited to play a lot more zone, keep things in 236 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: front of you. Got Blake Martinez, who's a smart guy. 237 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: Logan Ryan you can disguise with. When you look at 238 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: this defense, Why have they been so effective even though 239 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: they don't have another top cornerback across some bad berry, 240 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: they don't have a top edge rusher. Why have they 241 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: been able to be as solid and successful as they've 242 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: been So, I'm I'm just curious. One thing that I noticed, 243 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: and I always checked myself, the league is reverting back 244 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: to running this football. We had a graphic on or something, 245 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I saw some analytical points. Teams to 246 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: run the ball over thirty five times when the game 247 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: of the time. So the league gets it right. They're 248 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: running the football and where the Giants really good. Their 249 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: front seven is really good. I mean as a unit. 250 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: That defensive line as a unit is a top five, 251 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: top six defensive line as a unit in my opinion. 252 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: As far as run stoppers, right, and they're only getting 253 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: better being run stoppers. They are a little bit then, 254 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: but don't break meaning zone. They do a good job 255 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: of eliminating yards after catch when they do play zone. Ideally, Patrick, 256 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure I wouldn't want to be total man coverage 257 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: across the board. Third and three, third and four. Yeah, 258 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: you'd like to play man, But then you've got to 259 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: be careful, right if you're playing man and we play 260 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: a guy like Kyler Murray or Russell Wilson or Teddy 261 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: Bridgewater or whoever the guy may be, then you have 262 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: to be a concern that even if if Joe was 263 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: playing this week, because Joe could take off and run 264 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: and get your first down. So there's that fine mixture 265 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: that you want to have, uh, and playing man and 266 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: playing zone and zone pressures and man pressures and all 267 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: that kind of good stuff. I should ask you about 268 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones before we get to this matchup in the NFC, 269 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: specifically Chris Um. We talked about him a runner, how 270 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: about him as a passer? Where have you seen him 271 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: continue to go? You talked about the ball protection with 272 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: the fumbles. How about getting through his progressions, getting off 273 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,119 Speaker 1: that first guy, getting to your second guy, making good decisions. 274 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: What have you seen from Jones over the course of 275 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: the season in terms of where he's improved? Well? Watching 276 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: some game right, and then I think he's getting better 277 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: and better, and I think his weapons have gotten better 278 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: around him. I don't think he was surrounded by great 279 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: surrounded with great weapons last year. I think this year 280 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: is just a little bit better. And I can't emphasize enough. 281 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: And this is my philosophy in my line of thinking, 282 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: when you have a player like Evan Ingram that helps 283 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: the people by Evan's presence and people can get on 284 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: Evan all they want. I'm just telling you when I 285 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: talked to defensive coordinators, as a player, when there's a 286 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: tight end or whatever Evan's position is, a move guy 287 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: can be flought. That takes two because if you put 288 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: a linebacker, it's over. You can't put a linebacker on 289 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: a four or four guy like Evan in an athlete 290 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: like Evan Ingram, so you have to account for him. 291 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: And I think Daniel has done a good job of 292 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: spreading the ball around. I think Slayton has grown as 293 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: a receiver and I think he's I think his decision 294 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: making is better and it's only going to get better 295 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: because he works really, really hard. And if you talk 296 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: to Daniel and Daniels Ah got a lot of the 297 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: lion and it's not gonna say much to you, but 298 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: the one thing he always emphasized and talks about his 299 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: his decision making and how that's improved. And I think 300 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: it's evident on tape. Hey, Giant fans, just want to 301 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: remind you you can get a New York Giants checking 302 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: account from Investors Bank with the Giants brand, the debit card, 303 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: security features and discounts at the Giants online shop. You 304 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: can earn up the two and your fifty dollars when 305 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: you open an account at Investors Bank dot COM's last 306 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: Giants remember F D I C. We're joined by Fox 307 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: NFL analyst and former NFL linebacker Chris Spielman. You know Chris, 308 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: I imagine on on your assignments. The rest of the year, 309 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna see a lot of NFC East teams, and 310 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of the NFC East teams as 311 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: we've gone along here, Boy, crazy division. All the teams 312 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: the three wins. The Eagles have the half game advantage, 313 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: Dallas and the Giants probably have the easiest schedules. The 314 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: rest of the way, we have Dallas and Washington and Thanksgiving, 315 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: which is gonna be a big game. How do you 316 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: have kind of break down this horse race here with 317 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: six games left? Well, I gotta saying that, what do 318 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: you think of the NFL? Chris and I I have 319 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: no idea. I see a Detroit Lions team that scored 320 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: twenty points in fifteen straight games or something gets shut 321 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: out by rank defense in the Carolina Panthers. So I 322 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: think this. I think as long as you're still in 323 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: control of your own destiny at Thanksgiving, it's pretty good. 324 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: And I think all these teams are still in control 325 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: of their own destiny to a certain extent, at least 326 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: trying to get to that playoff. So I I, you know, 327 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: I I'm but I'd better be the New York Giants 328 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: right now than the Philadelphia Eagles of the information that 329 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: we have today because the Giants are going up. They're 330 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: playing a team that's struggling, trying to find itself with 331 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: the backup quarterback, and the Eagles seem to be trending down. 332 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: The Giants are in good position as anybody. They really are, 333 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: because I think they are a young team and they played, man, 334 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: do they play hard. And as a guy that lasted 335 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: or survived or whatever you want to call it in 336 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: this league for eleven years, I appreciate that and I 337 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: can't wait to watch them play on Sunday. Hey, Giant 338 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: fans of New York Giants in Quest Agnostics want our 339 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: fans to come back stronger than ever. Now you can 340 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: order your own lab test to Quest Direct to get 341 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: the health answers you need. Most. We're drawn by Fox 342 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 1: NFL analysts and Form NFL linebacker Chris Spielman. Okay, well, 343 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: let's briefly talk about the game here, Chris, how do 344 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: you prepare for this game? Now? If you're the Giants, 345 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure the coaches the last two days 346 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: have been looking at all the tendencies. This is what 347 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: they do. This is you know how often they run 348 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: in certain situations, is when they run this when they pass? 349 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: How much did things change? Now when you see Brandon 350 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: Allen in there, who's never taken a snap in that 351 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: offense for the Bengals, and you're trying to get ready, 352 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: you know how difficult is that to prepare for? If 353 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: you're Patrick Graham and the Giants defensive staff, the only 354 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: thing that changes for me, and I don't think it applies. 355 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't think they change at all. The only thing 356 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: that changes for me as a coordinator star's preparation is 357 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: you bring a new guy in there. Your schemes and 358 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: what you do and what you do well you're always 359 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: going to do. If they were bringing in a thrower 360 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: that can run, I'm not saying Brandon can't run, but 361 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: he's not. You know, it's not like playing Kyler Murray 362 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: back there or Russell or anybody like that. So I 363 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: don't think Patrick changes anything. Why they're they're going to 364 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: run the Cincinnati Bengals offense. They're not going to change 365 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: the offense. So each defense you have in the signment, 366 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: you have a responsibility against a certain formation, and down 367 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: in distance, the defensive coordinator calls the defense on what 368 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: he thinks that formation is or Blake make make a 369 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: change with THEE and what that formation is off the 370 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: down the distance and you go tackle the guy and 371 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: you do your responsibility and that's defense. Well, let's not overcomplicated. 372 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: That's my that's my philosophy. I'm not saying you are, 373 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: but it's just my philosophy. No. Absolutely, do you think 374 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: that they will be as pass heavy as a team 375 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: as they've been with Joe Burrow? I think they have 376 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: like the third the but you know the Bengals are 377 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: playing from behind all that. That's a good points, a 378 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, But and you don't have Joe Mixon, 379 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: who's a really good player. I don't know if you 380 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: how much you've got to see in Joe's years. I 381 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: love the guy. And you know Jille Bernard's the nicest 382 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: player the guy with the Bengals needs to. If I 383 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: were Zach Taylor, I challenged my J. P. Ryan. You 384 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: know this because you're a football guy and you follow football. 385 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: Do you know that my J. P. Ryan once held 386 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if he still does the n c 387 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: A record for most yards in the football game. It's funny. 388 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: We actually had a lot of discussion about him when 389 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: he got drafted. What was I think Chris, and a 390 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: lot of Giant fans loved his frame, his size of strength. 391 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: A lot of Giant fans wanted him, so did I. 392 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what, but he's got a you know, 393 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: he's got up up the game here. He's the one 394 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: that It's not that I'm not talking in a negative 395 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: way or hey, if you don't get fifty sixty yards, 396 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut you, not at just this is your time, 397 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: this is your opportunity. It's time for you to go. Man, 398 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: we need you and that you know, see if he 399 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: gets that spark, because we all thought, including Giant fans, 400 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: that was was the guy. Final question, Chris, how do 401 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: you go about attacking the Bengals defense? Uh? I run right, 402 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: I run right down your throat. I'm changing, you know, 403 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm going what I'm seeing teams what success do is 404 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: running football and just pound people. And I think the 405 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: Giants do have that ability. And we talked about at 406 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: the top of the podcast the improving rushing game of 407 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 1: the Giant and uh, I, you know it's something crazy 408 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: like it's almost a seventy yard difference and I think 409 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: it was seventy seven. You'll have to look us up, 410 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: but it's roughly seventy the first five games running the football, 411 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: forty two yards running football, the last five game. Chris, 412 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: awesome stuff, my friend. Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving. 413 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: We look forward to you on the call Giants and 414 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: Bengals on Sunday and Fox at one o'clock. Be safe, 415 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: my friends. All right, God bus you thank you. That's 416 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: Fox analyst Chris Spielman again. 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