Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondoland Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio Katie. My son today got his cast off.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how does he feel? Is he happy? Well?
Speaker 1: Now he has to be in a brace, but we
Speaker 1: have a cast off party this afternoon. He's requested two
Speaker 1: friends to be a Pokemon trading company. Were you ever
Speaker 1: into Pokemon? Hell no, yeah, I still don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I still didn't even understand what Pokemon is. Boys. Pikachu
Speaker 1: is the a cat, is the mouse? What is he?
Speaker 1: It's a bunny. I think it's a bunny. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. I literally have no cluthes going on. But
Speaker 1: my son is so into it. And for the first time. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's only the cards. He gets our shit ass knockoffs
Speaker 1: that are like five cents because I'm not spending money
Speaker 1: on this show. And some of these cards are like
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. It's like collecting baseball card, like limited edition,
Speaker 1: you know, Pokemons being around for thirty years or something.
Speaker 1: So when he got his cast off, I got him
Speaker 1: his first like real it was like sixteen dollars card.
Speaker 1: Oh and as big fear is that he's going to
Speaker 1: like still be into this in like ten years and
Speaker 1: try to trade these knockoff piece of shit card They're like, kid,
Speaker 1: this is this is a fake. Like this is a fake.
Speaker 1: You're a fake, You're a phony, you're parents phones. Yo.
Speaker 1: The only time I loved Pikachu is when when Pikachu
Speaker 1: was a fucking happy meal box? Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Just a few months ago? And all I listen, I
Speaker 1: don't love anything more than I love a good happy meal.
Speaker 1: It makes the food taste better. Well, you could either
Speaker 1: have a hamburger or cheeseburger, and then it comes with
Speaker 1: small fries, apple slices, or yogurt, and that's pretty much.
Speaker 1: I always get the hamburger with the fries. But y'all,
Speaker 1: for a stint, for a little for a period there,
Speaker 1: the Happy Meal boxes were an actual Pikachu and you
Speaker 1: could fold the ears up and it looked like That's
Speaker 1: the only time I was interested in Pikachu, the only
Speaker 1: time we were into it. It It is so annoying, but
Speaker 1: he loves it so much, and he was very brave
Speaker 1: and actually surprisingly have you ever had a broken bone?
Speaker 1: Uh in my foot? Yeah? I have? Oh did you
Speaker 1: have to have a cast? Uh? No? You know you
Speaker 1: know what in my hand too. Yeah, I had to
Speaker 1: have a I had to have a cast. So I
Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid, I broke my leg.
Speaker 1: I remembered them taking the cast off and it hurt
Speaker 1: so so so badly, and it was so scary. And
Speaker 1: I feel like the thing like touched my skin and
Speaker 1: it was like a saw. Now, it's things have come
Speaker 1: so far from when way we were kidding. I have
Speaker 1: this like saw machine that takes off cast now and
Speaker 1: kids for in literally under one minute. It tickles their
Speaker 1: skin as it's doing it. I don't know how that's possible.
Speaker 1: But and Albi was husterical laughing. Are you serious? Yes,
Speaker 1: he's so ticklish and he's stile laughing and had the
Speaker 1: best time of his life. Like he wasn't scared. I
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be like Jesus Christ, this is
Speaker 1: like a loud saw. Meanwhile, back in the day, we're like,
Speaker 1: please don't cut my arm off? Were you taking the
Speaker 1: cast off skin? Like I'm terrified. Um, it's not like
Speaker 1: that at all. It's come very far. Um. And so
Speaker 1: I've had a very active mourning. I tid Freeman, do
Speaker 1: you ever hike I have? Yeah, I like hiking Freeman
Speaker 1: is a is a trail up here in a North Hollywood, right,
Speaker 1: what do we end Like, is that considered North Hollywood? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's in it's in Studio City, yeah, And it's a
Speaker 1: a trailhead and it's like a three mile hike. It's
Speaker 1: like a mile and a half up into my half
Speaker 1: down and it's really beautiful. And it's very clear right
Speaker 1: now in Los Angeles because we've had rains, which means
Speaker 1: the smog has sort of moved out, and you can
Speaker 1: see that there's like snow capped mountains nearby, and it's
Speaker 1: really beautiful and I love it because it I zen out.
Speaker 1: But today when I got there, I was following the
Speaker 1: whole time, like seventy five teenage girls on this crash.
Speaker 1: It was awful. You gotta let them go ahead. You
Speaker 1: should have put off to the side and sat down
Speaker 1: for a second. Get ahead. I couldn't get behind, I
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out where I fit. And the whole fucking
Speaker 1: hike I'm hearing like such annoying shit, and I just
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, is this my fee Like God, damn it,
Speaker 1: teenage girls are the fucking worst. Like it was so annoying. Wait,
Speaker 1: you didn't have music or anything. You didn't have music
Speaker 1: and music in my ear and it made no difference.
Speaker 1: It was like like it was just so and so disturbing.
Speaker 1: And if I went too far, because they were all
Speaker 1: in clumps, like their little clicks. It was like seventy
Speaker 1: five girls all split up up around you, all around me.
Speaker 1: I was surrounded and I only had a certain amount
Speaker 1: of time. So really, if I had been smart, I
Speaker 1: would have just pulled over for like a long time.
Speaker 1: And really, you didn't have time. I still want caught up.
Speaker 1: I'm a fast fucking hiker. You are. We gotta go
Speaker 1: hiking one day together. I love hiking. I would love it.
Speaker 1: I do too. It's like it's like the only the
Speaker 1: only form of working out that I actually enjoy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I just enjoy it. I like look around, I
Speaker 1: like thin outdoors. You're listening to Madonna. I listen to podcasts.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to Madonna. I'm my iPod, which they don't
Speaker 1: even make them anymore. Right, I have to tell you
Speaker 1: are the only person on planet Earth that I know
Speaker 1: that still uses an iPod. I love my iPod? Is
Speaker 1: she here? Oh shit, we're already in it. We're already
Speaker 1: laughing because the greatest guest is here, the one and
Speaker 1: only lies a while. Hi Liza, Hi, right, Yes you
Speaker 1: did it, you crush it. Welcome to the Scandal Rewatch Podcast.
Speaker 1: It's so nice to be here, you guys. I'm so
Speaker 1: fit to dig in this with you. Man, you're unpacking
Speaker 1: the toolbox. We're talking about episode one oh four called
Speaker 1: Enemy of the State, which originally aired on April twenty
Speaker 1: sixth of twenty twelve, and it was written by Richard E.
Speaker 1: Robbins who I don't remember this writer, Katie, And it
Speaker 1: was directed by Michael Cattleman, and I don't remember that director.
Speaker 1: Gar guest starring Liza Wild, Amanda Tanner, Brendan Hines is Gidey,
Speaker 1: and Wallace Bellamy Young his first Lady, Mellie Grant, Dan
Speaker 1: Bucatinsky as James Novak, Joshua Molina as David Rosen, Matt
Speaker 1: Lesher is Billy Chambers, Jose Zuniga as Hened, Benicio Flores,
Speaker 1: Valerie Cruz is Carolina Flordes, leland Orcer as Sanders Black,
Speaker 1: and Kate McGregor stewart as Mary. And just to take
Speaker 1: you guys, scandal pace through the synopsis like we do.
Speaker 1: When a dictator shows up at the OPA office pleading
Speaker 1: for help to find his missing wife and children, Olivia
Speaker 1: faces a moral dilemma on taking the case. Then, when
Speaker 1: the truth comes out about the dictators missing family, the
Speaker 1: entire team faces an even more difficult situation. Olivia and
Speaker 1: Cyrus navigate the Amanda Tanner case. And who better to
Speaker 1: have on the Scandal Rewatch podcast than the one and
Speaker 1: only Amanda fucking Tanner? Yeah? Yo, lines up? How did
Speaker 1: this part? Like? Did you guests are on all the
Speaker 1: other great like all the other shandaland shows? I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you and Paul were husband wife. You knew Shanna
Speaker 1: that way? How did you get Amanda Tanna? Okay? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I think we're gonna get We're just gonna
Speaker 1: get right into it. I had done an episode of
Speaker 1: Private Practice, and I think I did an episode of
Speaker 1: Grades Anatomy. I went in for Scandal and read for
Speaker 1: Quinn and Abby. What I didn't know that shit that either? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But the weird thing was is that I read for
Speaker 1: Quinn and then they um found you, which is like
Speaker 1: Chef's Kiss. They had me come in right into a
Speaker 1: test for Abby and I like had a complete psychotic
Speaker 1: break in the audition room. It really stands as one
Speaker 1: of the worst auditions experiences of my life. I was
Speaker 1: so freaked out. I was like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know who this Abbey Willen person is.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like connected to it. And they kept
Speaker 1: insisting that I come right into a test, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Linda, can I just come to your office
Speaker 1: and like read this through? Like I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. And I left my body in the audition
Speaker 1: room and like was watching myself and I started doing
Speaker 1: the anxiety thing when you're like narrating everything that's going
Speaker 1: through your head and you're out loud. Ye so um
Speaker 1: real Arlie, real, real bad you? Were you crying? Were
Speaker 1: you hyperventilating? Was your heart racing? I remember like turning
Speaker 1: away from them and like facing a corner of the
Speaker 1: audition room and just sort of like touching the wall,
Speaker 1: like trying to like bring my bring myself back to
Speaker 1: some ground yourself. Yeah. So it was really humiliating and embarrassing.
Speaker 1: They were so lovely, however, I think that they saw
Speaker 1: a little bit of like an interesting, unhinged perfect Oh
Speaker 1: my god, which is like you know, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: one of the sort of all time great like switcherus
Speaker 1: of it working out in like a really bizarre, beautiful
Speaker 1: way that they could see past what I considered like
Speaker 1: a huge sort of weakness and failure and it was
Speaker 1: just like, no, just channel that into this other thing here.
Speaker 1: Here you go. A lot of actors, I know, like
Speaker 1: literally take beta blockers, like oh, they take like they
Speaker 1: actually take like beta blocker, which is far less than
Speaker 1: like um Araz of Pamm or an ad a Van
Speaker 1: or something, because because they're going to have a full
Speaker 1: bone anxiety. This is our lives as actors. Like that
Speaker 1: shit happens for me. How it manifests for me is
Speaker 1: my hand shake and I'll be holding sides. So now
Speaker 1: I got a tip from another actor, Gary Perez, my
Speaker 1: my buddy, and he was like, just bring a heavy,
Speaker 1: heavy book and hold the sides on top of that
Speaker 1: book and it sort of gives weight to your hand.
Speaker 1: Because I sometimes I get so nervous that my hands
Speaker 1: are shaking and then all I'm thinking about they're looking
Speaker 1: at my shaking hands and my shaking Baby, I've had
Speaker 1: fucking tongue rock by the way, like that's happened to
Speaker 1: me before on like like a live talk show. And
Speaker 1: then some days you feel amazing like a fucking king
Speaker 1: and a queen right in the room and you're like
Speaker 1: the most confident and chill. Yeah, but you just mis
Speaker 1: chasing it. And then yes, I think why we keep
Speaker 1: doing it is to like chase that that gray zone
Speaker 1: right like and it's so rare, so trippy. Well without yeah,
Speaker 1: I also I'm a firm believer that yeah, without Amanda Tanner,
Speaker 1: like I needed to do Amanda Tanner, but I could
Speaker 1: have never done Bonnie when her Bottom without being Amanda First.
Speaker 1: I think it definitely like opened a door to like
Speaker 1: the dark weirdness that so I was like, this is
Speaker 1: my comeback story, guys, all right, like I am gonna
Speaker 1: I gotta crush this and I and it felt really good.
Speaker 1: But mostly I think because I was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: get weird and have a meltdown. This is a triumph.
Speaker 1: I did it. When you booked Amanda Tanner, did you
Speaker 1: know that she was going to die? Did you know mine?
Speaker 1: Did you know what it could be? So? Um, I
Speaker 1: don't think I knew any of it. I think I
Speaker 1: gradually heard that it was going to turn into like
Speaker 1: a little bit of an arc and be like five
Speaker 1: or six episodes. But I didn't know anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: and you guys, because I'm so curious about your experience
Speaker 1: going back and watching this as well. But I'm realizing
Speaker 1: now that it was such a primer for me in
Speaker 1: terms of uh, sort of the the shandaland staple of
Speaker 1: really like going for a fucking ride because you wouldn't
Speaker 1: know anything. You don't know anything as actors. You didn't
Speaker 1: know the Quinn background. You didn't know the background of
Speaker 1: any of these Oh yeah, so it just it really
Speaker 1: is like a car pulling up in front of your
Speaker 1: house being like come on, get in. You're like, where
Speaker 1: are we going, and they're like it doesn't matter, just yeah,
Speaker 1: you trust it. Yeah you trust again. First some actors
Speaker 1: it's like wildly unsettling and they don't like it, and
Speaker 1: they're sort of used to like sitting down with the
Speaker 1: showrunner at the beginning of season and hearing what their
Speaker 1: whole characters arc is going to be in with the
Speaker 1: writer's room has planned for them and all of that
Speaker 1: in Shanda Universe, which tell me if it was was
Speaker 1: it the same for how to get with for Murder too. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so you were not told a fucking thing.
Speaker 1: We showed the table read. You're not you don't ask questions,
Speaker 1: you don't know where your character is going. I think
Speaker 1: it's because they don't know really where your character right,
Speaker 1: They're kind of waiting to see what you do and
Speaker 1: what develops and like build off of that true what
Speaker 1: I found complete freedom in it. Yeah, it becomes I
Speaker 1: think can very liberating. There is like a you know,
Speaker 1: a wonky like adjustment period because I think you also
Speaker 1: just like you're you're up against so many other things.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to be good on TV, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm fast paced, like you're just up against so much.
Speaker 1: But there is a there is a a liberation I
Speaker 1: think once you're like, I don't know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen to me tomorrow in life, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you know, Like, yeah, so it I think it can
Speaker 1: be really fun and beautiful, but it's scary. Yeah, it's scary.
Speaker 1: I like the part of TV two of doing an
Speaker 1: episodic like like Scandal or Murderer, that you you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have time to stress out or get too
Speaker 1: nervous about something because the shooting pace is so freaking
Speaker 1: fast and just going, going, going, Yeah, you don't have
Speaker 1: time to be like I'm gonna stress and overthink this monologue.
Speaker 1: You don't have time for that shit. You just gotta go, go,
Speaker 1: go and keep doing it. And I guess that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of a good thing, because you know, with my
Speaker 1: crazy brain, my anxious brain, Yeah, was Amanda Tanner your
Speaker 1: like big job after Gilmore I mean, I know you
Speaker 1: worked a ton, but like, was it your first life?
Speaker 1: Did you say Gilmore Girls? Wait a minute, Garmo love Gilmour.
Speaker 1: Garmo fucking loves gilmar Girls. When we had Shanna on
Speaker 1: the podcast for episode one, he was like, Seana, you
Speaker 1: watched Gilmore Girls. And Seana was like no, and Garmos
Speaker 1: like almost died. I was I almost. I almost turned
Speaker 1: off my camera and like left the podcast. Now, No,
Speaker 1: because because Liza, because she cast you, she cast the
Speaker 1: lovely actress who played Lane on Gilmore Girls. Yes, and
Speaker 1: then of course Hollis Doyle who was Greg Henry also
Speaker 1: on Gilmore Girls. Like all these like wonderful people that
Speaker 1: were on Gilmore Girls, and oh man, I always assumed
Speaker 1: that she did watch it, but I that's news to
Speaker 1: me that she did. She never saw it, which is
Speaker 1: so crazy because when I go back and I think
Speaker 1: about like the fast paced talking shows, it's like West Wing,
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls, Scandal, Like there's not so many shows where
Speaker 1: like the Secret Sauce one of them in the recipe
Speaker 1: is speaking as fast as humanly fucking possible. Yes, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. I mean I Gilmore Girls ended, I got married,
Speaker 1: and then I was having like a really hard time
Speaker 1: going back into audition rooms. I feel like the whole
Speaker 1: time I was on Gilmore Girls, I wasn't really getting
Speaker 1: out for other things, so like the audition muscle was
Speaker 1: like I had no idea like and again just a
Speaker 1: lot of panic attacks and a lot of anxiety, just
Speaker 1: a lot of straight up anxiety because yeah, so I
Speaker 1: didn't work for for like three years, I think after
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls, and then oh well I had my daughter,
Speaker 1: so yeah, Amanda Tanner was like the first job back
Speaker 1: after having a baby and sort of all of it,
Speaker 1: and I was freaked out. I was really really nervous
Speaker 1: because you guys were you know, you got us with
Speaker 1: guys who were coming to play. We were not. You were.
Speaker 1: I want to I want we wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: this episode, but literally I will never forget that scene
Speaker 1: in the pilot with you and the dog and Carrie
Speaker 1: Washington and her having that monologue about you better get
Speaker 1: out of town and here's all the things she's going
Speaker 1: to do to you if you don't, and where'd you
Speaker 1: get that dog? And you just have to literally sob
Speaker 1: for like ever take it? Yeah, I mean, do you
Speaker 1: remember that day and how the generous thing that Carrie
Speaker 1: did of I remember, but please tell okay because it's
Speaker 1: so it was you know, it was there was a
Speaker 1: big build up for that scene and like it was
Speaker 1: a long process, and I was like, I think I
Speaker 1: had kind of blown my wad. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And she did not as we say, we called for
Speaker 1: tear stick, which I did all the time. Liza never
Speaker 1: did that. Well, I think my moment, But honestly, it
Speaker 1: was again like the motivation, like the motivation for crying
Speaker 1: was out of like I am going to like whiff this,
Speaker 1: like I this is I'm going to fail publicly. So
Speaker 1: it was all just like you know, you better fucking
Speaker 1: do this. Um. But then I remember having to break
Speaker 1: for lunch and then before they part Ridge and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, no, no, no, please please, let's
Speaker 1: not break for lunch. And then just like sitting in
Speaker 1: the honeywagon like rocking back and forth, like trying to starving,
Speaker 1: starving because you know you're not going to eat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But Harry did like the thing for my coverage where
Speaker 1: she just it just wasn't there, and she went off
Speaker 1: script and sort of like added some personal stuff that
Speaker 1: would sort of get a response out of me. She
Speaker 1: knew that, you know, we were starting to try to
Speaker 1: like find child care for our daughter and it was
Speaker 1: so stressful, and it was like I was leaving her
Speaker 1: alone for the first time, and she put she kind
Speaker 1: of like sprinkled into the yeah, and and it just
Speaker 1: saved my ass, man, And I was so grateful for
Speaker 1: her to her for that. Uh well, let's stricken plays man,
Speaker 1: because that scene. I'm convinced like that scene is probably
Speaker 1: why we even like got to pick up for the
Speaker 1: second season. Oh stop, Yeah, that's one of those iconic
Speaker 1: fucking scenes where we know who Olivia Pope really is.
Speaker 1: We know like what length she's willing to go for
Speaker 1: her for her love for the president. We see that
Speaker 1: she doesn't give a fuck that this girl is just
Speaker 1: like a regular girl who was in the fucking wrong
Speaker 1: place at the wrong time, although we kind of learned
Speaker 1: that that's not who Amanda Tana. Yeah, and that scene
Speaker 1: they use that they use that scene and a lot
Speaker 1: of promos too, like that's the scene that when the
Speaker 1: show first started sort of being publicized, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: iconic and you were phenomenal and however you got there,
Speaker 1: like I just remember it was forever. That scene was
Speaker 1: first of all outside, which is impossible. They can't like
Speaker 1: really control lots of things that needed to be controlled.
Speaker 1: He did shoot it, like wides and masters and Carrie's
Speaker 1: coverage eight billion times for hours before we turned it
Speaker 1: around on Liza. So by the time we turned around
Speaker 1: on Liza, she's like, I can't hear this. Like when
Speaker 1: I hear this doesn't have any effect on me anymore.
Speaker 1: I've heard it one fucking thousand times. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: for Carrie, Yeah, she would. She used to do that
Speaker 1: to me too. I don't know if she ever do
Speaker 1: that to you Garmo too, But sometimes she'd just save
Speaker 1: your ass and she would be like sprinkling just a
Speaker 1: little something that would make me feel a different sound, different,
Speaker 1: wake up, like, let me have an She didn't give
Speaker 1: me shit. She barely remembered her lines when they were
Speaker 1: doing my coverage. I'm kidding. She's great. Now. In this episode,
Speaker 1: we have so many firsts it's insane, Like, yes, we
Speaker 1: have so many first First we have like Carrie Washington
Speaker 1: speaking Spanish, which she knows how to speak Spanish, right, Guermo,
Speaker 1: because the case of the week is this, yes, this
Speaker 1: dictator from yeah, Benicio Florides. I don't remember where he's from,
Speaker 1: but like he comes in and needs help because his
Speaker 1: children are and wife are missing. And Olivia speaks. Why
Speaker 1: does Olivia I mean, excuse me, why does Kerry Washing
Speaker 1: know how to speak Spanish fluently? Know how to do
Speaker 1: everything fluently? Oh my god, she's really smart, right and
Speaker 1: she knows probably all the things. Yeah, we have Amanda
Speaker 1: wants to revisit the five minute like all you want,
Speaker 1: like all you want for your end game. Olivia. Pope
Speaker 1: is saying to you like okay, great, like what do
Speaker 1: you want, and You're like, I want, oh the god,
Speaker 1: you fucking kill you want fucking five minutes with the president.
Speaker 1: Five minutes with the president. Yeah, Oh that scene is
Speaker 1: so good. This way you say I want them all
Speaker 1: to burn for this? Yes, yes it is, Yes it is.
Speaker 1: That would be so hard to do for so many
Speaker 1: people and do well. You guys are really nice, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, because I think it could be kind of melodramatic,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, we'll be right back. Guys.
Speaker 1: Did you rewatch this episode Liza? And it's okay if
Speaker 1: you didn't. We we I did. Was it nice being
Speaker 1: sort of separated, like having the time from you know,
Speaker 1: because I always talk about how we were so close
Speaker 1: to the material and the show when we were shooting it,
Speaker 1: so it was hard to be really be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a great show because I would remember stupid
Speaker 1: shit I didn't like that I did or whatever. But
Speaker 1: now having that time, I'm like, it's such a great show.
Speaker 1: It's such a great show. I mean I started, I
Speaker 1: like burned through like six episodes, like I couldn't stop
Speaker 1: watching it, Like I had the intention of just watching
Speaker 1: until episode four, and then now I'm like fully in
Speaker 1: it again. It's and it's just it's such a it's
Speaker 1: such a delight. Yeah. How did you prepare for scenes
Speaker 1: like like the burn for this? Were you working with
Speaker 1: anybody at the time, or were you just like, I like,
Speaker 1: how what was your like prep? Yeah? I was not
Speaker 1: working with anybody at the time. I mean I think
Speaker 1: I was just doing problem belief and like not great
Speaker 1: unhealthy prep of like just self hatred and um. But again,
Speaker 1: I think so much of of my fuel was just
Speaker 1: a real, like authentic fear of not doing well like
Speaker 1: this one. And it was such a exciting set to
Speaker 1: be on. I mean, you guys were just so it
Speaker 1: was just so lively and like there was such a potent,
Speaker 1: palpable feeling of like joy and commitment and enthusiasm that
Speaker 1: was so special to be around. Um, it was just
Speaker 1: it felt very um just charged with all the things
Speaker 1: that you really want to be around as an actor.
Speaker 1: So I just remember how exciting it felt. I was
Speaker 1: lucky in this episode that Michael Cattleman, who directed this episode,
Speaker 1: tell us who that is? Okay, well he's he's been
Speaker 1: around forever, but he was a very beloved supervising director
Speaker 1: on Gilmore Girls for a couple of seasons and we
Speaker 1: loved him, like he was Oh, what a gift for you.
Speaker 1: Um that show was hard, like it was you know,
Speaker 1: as you were saying, very dialogue heavy and we were
Speaker 1: shooting crazy, crazy hours on that show. Um, but Michael
Speaker 1: came in and just he was like the whisperer you
Speaker 1: know to everybody, just very soothing, calming and like just
Speaker 1: made it feel good there. So I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: he was your person during this episode because you just
Speaker 1: have a lot of heavy lifting in this episode, Like,
Speaker 1: well and you get fucking kids. We gotta get there,
Speaker 1: we gotta get there. Yeah, I mean I remember Katie,
Speaker 1: like I loved Arla of Amanda and Quinn st so
Speaker 1: much because it just felt like when I got to
Speaker 1: be in a scene with you that I was just
Speaker 1: being bathed in like warmth and kindness because Carrie as
Speaker 1: Olivia really was pretty harsh with Amanda, and she would
Speaker 1: just look at me like a fucking piece of shit,
Speaker 1: like and like so much judgment. Yeah, well she thinks
Speaker 1: you're pregnant with her fucking love yeah boyfriend with her boyfriend.
Speaker 1: What am I saying? It's so so complicated for her, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it isn't really intense thing for her to take on.
Speaker 1: It is webby as fuck, you know. Yeah, But Quinn
Speaker 1: and Quinn and Amanda were just like I'm just like
Speaker 1: I just want you to be Okay, yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be your story. Yeah, come be a client.
Speaker 1: I come be a client, And like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do a good job. And I felt I feel like
Speaker 1: Quinn feels so bad for her, Like I just think
Speaker 1: she relates to her in a way too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's empathy there, yeah, for sure. I mean, also, let's
Speaker 1: take it back to like this is the cook Man.
Speaker 1: This storyline Aman Tanner sleeping with the president. I mean
Speaker 1: that is literally ripped from Judy Smith, who Olivia Pope
Speaker 1: is based on representing Monica Lewinsky. Yes, yes, right, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. I mean, your your case and
Speaker 1: your person is very loosely inspired by probably the most
Speaker 1: famous political presidential scandal in the history of time other
Speaker 1: than Nixon, and like yeah, yeah, I mean there was
Speaker 1: also a thing where, you know, the writers were sort
Speaker 1: of like, we don't really know if she did sleep
Speaker 1: with him, you know, yeah, Mike having to be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I think I just have to play that I did,
Speaker 1: but I think it also, I mean to get kind
Speaker 1: of raw about it. It was bringing up like a
Speaker 1: lot of interesting things for me because I was like,
Speaker 1: I did just have a baby. It was like really
Speaker 1: a little sense of about being kind of on TV
Speaker 1: and being looked at, and also been adding that element
Speaker 1: of like, is anybody gonna believe that he slept with me? Like, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man. You you're gorgeous. We're our worst enemies,
Speaker 1: ourselves we are. Yeah, you are gorgeous every day of
Speaker 1: your life, like in any any version of you. Brew brunette, blonde,
Speaker 1: short hair, long hair, post baby. That's not why I'm
Speaker 1: bringing that up. I didn't mean it to be a high.
Speaker 1: We're going to be the ones to tell you, and
Speaker 1: then we've and also you're doing some mad sketchy shit.
Speaker 1: It's not in this episode, but in previous episodes you're
Speaker 1: like on the phone and you're like, I have to
Speaker 1: tell her. I can't like lie anymore. I had no
Speaker 1: idea who I was calling. By the way, who you're talking.
Speaker 1: You don't know you're talking to Billy Chambers. You don't
Speaker 1: know you're actually pregnant with Billy Chambers. Baby. No, I
Speaker 1: have none of that information. But it was such a
Speaker 1: great way in going back, I have to say, like
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I wish I made a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a choice. There because it was a
Speaker 1: pretty general We all felt like that. I keep going
Speaker 1: back and I'm like, God, why was I playing that?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh, because I didn't know. You
Speaker 1: didn't know, but I worked. It worked. Yeah, you just
Speaker 1: have to embrace like the general, like I'll just do
Speaker 1: something general. Yeah. I remember distinctly one day on set,
Speaker 1: not in this episode, on an earlier episode, I want
Speaker 1: to say, maybe even the pilot. Yeah. I think it
Speaker 1: was the pilot. The scenes where you are in bed
Speaker 1: after you've slit your wrist. Oh. Yeah, and you brought
Speaker 1: Josephine to set. Oh, and she met Shonda and it
Speaker 1: was so stressed, Like I was like as a like
Speaker 1: as a person who wanted to be a mom. I
Speaker 1: just remember like looking at you and being like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like she's married to an actor and she
Speaker 1: is bringing her child to set and she's working and
Speaker 1: you're doing it amazing job. Like I just remember being like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, Like I hadn't I hadn't seen that before
Speaker 1: because I only guest starred on procedurals where men were
Speaker 1: the leads. I really hadn't seen any people bring babies
Speaker 1: on set. It was the first time. I mean Shanda
Speaker 1: like was very like she's obsessed with babies obviously. I
Speaker 1: mean people don't know this. Sean is obsessed with babies
Speaker 1: from Grays and Private and all that. And she just
Speaker 1: was so like welcoming and happy that you brought her
Speaker 1: to set. And I just remember being like, oh my god, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she was lovely about that. Okay. A few other firsts
Speaker 1: and orders of business that I need to touch upon
Speaker 1: is this is the first time we see Olivia drink
Speaker 1: the biggest fucking glass of red wine in the history
Speaker 1: of fucking television, which became a staple. Yea, it really
Speaker 1: does make you want to have wine immediately the way
Speaker 1: she drinks it. You're just like, ah, so she does
Speaker 1: this huge wine thing, which became such a staple, like
Speaker 1: such a joke. Like I remember seeing so much any sketches,
Speaker 1: I think even on SNL or some shit that just
Speaker 1: had like some Olivia Pope thing with a glass like
Speaker 1: the size of a room. We meet James played by
Speaker 1: Dan Bugatinski, and we learned that Cyrus is gay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fucking episode, Oh my god, that is huge. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jeff Perry will have when we have him on, like
Speaker 1: he didn't know Cyrus was gay. I remember talking Dan
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, he had no clue, And I mean,
Speaker 1: we have to have Dan Bugatinski on who plays James
Speaker 1: Novakian's performance is absolutely legendary, and it starts in this episode.
Speaker 1: We also this Sanders Black played by leland Or ser
Speaker 1: gets hired by the White House, and we learn for
Speaker 1: the first time some of the like stray dogs in
Speaker 1: OPA their backstory. For example, that Hawk's a killer. We
Speaker 1: learned that Abby was beaten, which we didn't know before.
Speaker 1: We've really We learned that Quinn Perkins didn't exist until
Speaker 1: two thousand eight, motherfucker. And we learned that Harrison Wright
Speaker 1: was like a car salesman kind of you know, slimy
Speaker 1: dude turned lawyer, right, yeah, and we got caught up
Speaker 1: in some money like yeah, he was some money laundering
Speaker 1: type bad shit, and that Stephen Stephen was an attorney
Speaker 1: as well who had a breakdown. Yeah, yeah, doing a
Speaker 1: case and Olivia brought him sort of took him under
Speaker 1: her wing. Yeah, oh right, he had a breakdown. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I have my next note is Jeff gives
Speaker 1: the best monologue ever whoa Well he says, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got a man of Tanner's pregnant, and the President
Speaker 1: is like, well, what happens now? And he takes him
Speaker 1: through the trajectory of like what is like his downfall
Speaker 1: and ultimately like you're you know, his demise and like
Speaker 1: how he's just his life is just completely ruined and
Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot himself with that gun that his dad
Speaker 1: gave him, blow the back of his skull out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so good God, nobody can do what Jeff Perry does.
Speaker 1: It is like, I watch him with such wonder There
Speaker 1: should be an entire podcast just devoted to how he like,
Speaker 1: how he brings stuff off the page. It is just astounding.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, he has this little giggle at the
Speaker 1: end as he's walking out the door. Do you remember that, Liza? Yes,
Speaker 1: And he's like, huh no, but write your speech like
Speaker 1: that matters, that's important, brilliant. Just that little moment is like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so amazing. He's so good. And then we're prepping
Speaker 1: a man a Tanner for Diane Sawyer and it seems
Speaker 1: like she may not want to Yeah, because that paternity
Speaker 1: suit's going to be a little bit of when we
Speaker 1: do that and we realize that she's not pregnant with
Speaker 1: the president's husband, I mean the president's baby. And this
Speaker 1: for the next first is that we've got the words.
Speaker 1: Abby throws papers at her when I wanted to leave Charles,
Speaker 1: and she has the most beautiful scene. Oh well I
Speaker 1: wanted to leave Charles. Yeah, well, I wanted to leave Charles.
Speaker 1: Abbey and Olivia have been at odds for a while
Speaker 1: because Abby thinks Olivia keeps fucking up. She's her gut
Speaker 1: is not in the right place, she's taking on the
Speaker 1: wrong cases, she's she's misstepping right and left in Yeah.
Speaker 1: For the first time, Abby says the phrase over a cliff, yes,
Speaker 1: which like are you choking? Like who comes up with
Speaker 1: this shit? I also, Katie, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: if you notice, this is the first time that we
Speaker 1: hear um. Abby mentions um Olivia taking a tire iron
Speaker 1: to her ex husband's kneecap. Yes, And it's the first time,
Speaker 1: Like I heard it for the first time when I
Speaker 1: watched it on this rewatch and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: Like Olivia got violent on this dude because he, you know,
Speaker 1: he hit her friend. And I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. That's interesting information. Shadowing of kills what's
Speaker 1: his name with the chair? Oh wow, yes, yes, which
Speaker 1: is like seasons later. Um. I cry so hard in
Speaker 1: this episode because of the fucking don't ever show me
Speaker 1: an episode of television anywhere anytime where a baby's being
Speaker 1: ripped away from its mother while the baby's fucking crying.
Speaker 1: Baby's performance is amazing. I can't watch this. This baby
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I don't know whether the baby's really crying
Speaker 1: or they added it in post, but it is absolutely
Speaker 1: face and oh yeah, it's it's really heart wrenching. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is absolutely heart wrenching that the dickhead dictator who's
Speaker 1: abusive and a piece of shit, like the wife wants
Speaker 1: to save her family and leave him because he's not
Speaker 1: the man she married. And he's like, yeah, fine, you
Speaker 1: can leave me, but I'm going to take all the children.
Speaker 1: And they have to like and over the sobbing baby
Speaker 1: and the older son, and it is just absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: And those those guest stars, can I just say really quickly, Jose,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, Jose's Uniga, who plays hid A
Speaker 1: Benicio Floridez. Oh, he's been in a like over one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty like films and TV shows like, he's
Speaker 1: in everything. Yeah, And speaking of first, me and him
Speaker 1: did my first movie ever, Fresh where I got my
Speaker 1: sag card, a movie with Sam Jackson and Bouchet. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: Jose was in that film with me? Is that we did?
Speaker 1: He was in, you know, my first first movie ever.
Speaker 1: I love that anyway, he's he's a wonderful actor. And
Speaker 1: then and then um, Valerie Cruz who plays Catolina Florides,
Speaker 1: She's amazing and she was on Off the Map. Do
Speaker 1: you remember that, Katie? Oh yes, I knew. She looks
Speaker 1: familiar to me. Oh my god, that's where it was
Speaker 1: that that was a Shonda land show right now. It
Speaker 1: was the Doctor's Without Borders like Gray's Anatomy sort of
Speaker 1: spinoff that lasted for one season and it was the
Speaker 1: only show that did not become a huge zow And
Speaker 1: I tested sort of for like all three female doctors
Speaker 1: that didn't get them. And it was the year before Scandal,
Speaker 1: and thank god, because I wasn't supposed to be fucking
Speaker 1: doing that. And our makeup artists are amazing. Makeup artist
Speaker 1: Denise worked on Off the Map and I remember her
Speaker 1: and Valerie always just chatting and connecting and reminiscing about
Speaker 1: shooting that show. I think they shot it in Hawaii
Speaker 1: or something, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a question.
Speaker 1: Gideon watches the tape in this episode where the President's
Speaker 1: like whispering in your ear. Do you remember shooting that.
Speaker 1: I do remember shooting it was he saying. I think
Speaker 1: he was just leaning in and he didn't say anything,
Speaker 1: but I think and that was I remember it was.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of discussion I think about like
Speaker 1: how they wanted it to look and it was, so
Speaker 1: I don't I don't recall him. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he was probably just joking around when we did it,
Speaker 1: and just you know, at the end of the episode
Speaker 1: when you get a man a Tanner gets kidnapped, it's amazing,
Speaker 1: it's eerie, it's fucking terrifying. Did you was it George
Speaker 1: Newburn doing it to you or was it like just
Speaker 1: a stand No, I think it was a stunt person.
Speaker 1: So you didn't know at the time when you were
Speaker 1: shooting it that it was Charlie. I didn't. Nope, didn't
Speaker 1: know any of that. Yeah, yeah, nope, I didn't. No. Shit,
Speaker 1: the yeah, the needle and the foot you know. I
Speaker 1: think I remember reading that episode and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think this is my last episode. Because the needle,
Speaker 1: the needle in the toe, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: end you come back from that. Your your foot acting
Speaker 1: was on point, like no pun intended to Ballerina's yo.
Speaker 1: That ship was on point the way trying to pull
Speaker 1: away from that needle. It was so good. It's such
Speaker 1: a great scene. Funny watching it is that I realized
Speaker 1: that I couldn't. I wasn't keeping my eyes open, like
Speaker 1: my my instinct was to like just be squint and
Speaker 1: I so wished were you watching? And I'm like, open
Speaker 1: your eyes, dummy, open your eyes. Don't even see who's
Speaker 1: doing it? Like see was seeing what's happening? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. And I so that's I wish I
Speaker 1: did that differently as well. But I think I didn't
Speaker 1: even think of that. I just I just I see
Speaker 1: is that you're fucking terrified, and like, yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: so fucked up. When I'm watching it, I don't even
Speaker 1: think I realized. I don't know if tell me if
Speaker 1: I'm completely wrong. Do you think everybody was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is when she's dead? I just assumed that he
Speaker 1: puts something in you to make you fall asleep, not
Speaker 1: something that kills you. Yeah, I guess. I yeah, I
Speaker 1: probably just went to the worst case scenario for myself
Speaker 1: as an actor. Yeah. Yeah, Like, gee, did you think
Speaker 1: this like that Amanda Tanner is dead or were you
Speaker 1: like she's going to be put out and we're not
Speaker 1: done with her yet exactly? Yeah, I didn't think. I
Speaker 1: didn't think they were going to kill her off neither. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least at that point, I think Shanda brought me
Speaker 1: in and told me that she is to die, but
Speaker 1: that there was going to be like some flashback stuff
Speaker 1: and then wait, we need to talk about that while
Speaker 1: we have you though, I'll remember that day like nobody
Speaker 1: like we were in Long Beach, I think, and then
Speaker 1: she told me that they're going to pull my body
Speaker 1: out of the river, and I was like, can I
Speaker 1: please do that? Oh man, I have no idea what
Speaker 1: disgusting thing happens. But you were pulled up on this
Speaker 1: vest this ragon and just dangling it was it freezing
Speaker 1: cold they put I mean they really geared me up.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I had like layers of wetsuits
Speaker 1: on under my clothes and everything and they painted you blue.
Speaker 1: They like painted you. Your makeup was like obviously someone
Speaker 1: who had been dropped in the Potomac. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of discussion about like keep your mouth closed, like
Speaker 1: make sure like this water is probably not great, that's disgusting.
Speaker 1: So they dunked your ass in. They dunked you and
Speaker 1: pulled you out for the scene. Well, there was the
Speaker 1: thing that they did have a stunt person because I
Speaker 1: guess that you're not allowed to be like I couldn't
Speaker 1: be underwater and pulled up, so they so they yeah,
Speaker 1: so they did the stunt person for that, but then
Speaker 1: they did let me just like when it was like
Speaker 1: the close up on your face and really knowing who
Speaker 1: it was that to do that, and it was so fun,
Speaker 1: Like I was like so excited to do that. That
Speaker 1: was just some next level like I cannot believe I
Speaker 1: get to be doing this. This is so cool. That's
Speaker 1: so fun, like River Death, Yeah, yes please, y un
Speaker 1: fucking believable and also so effective for us because you know,
Speaker 1: we have so many episodes after you die where we're talking.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so crazy that you're not there because
Speaker 1: you're so a lot. You know, it's like those plays
Speaker 1: where like you never meet the dad, but the pictures
Speaker 1: on the wall and they dad so much or whatever,
Speaker 1: but like it felt like that, like you were so
Speaker 1: I mean, you were the engine and the fire of
Speaker 1: the whole first season. Yeah yeah, and if people didn't
Speaker 1: really care and feel for you, it would never have worked.
Speaker 1: And that's just like such a testament to everything you did. Wow.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. We will be back with more after the break.
Speaker 1: If this was twenty twelve, right, this aired on table
Speaker 1: twenty six and two twelve. Do you remember when you
Speaker 1: first shot Murder twenty fourteen? So it was two years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: two years, that's yeah, that's why. My god, I remember
Speaker 1: being at the one of the evening before parties, those
Speaker 1: Emmy parties as a scandal, Cassie. We were already on
Speaker 1: season I don't know what season we were on, two
Speaker 1: or three, maybe right before Murder started, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, How To get Away with Murder was
Speaker 1: a hot show, huge. Yeah. Yeah, did you have scenes
Speaker 1: again with Carrie when she crossed over to How To
Speaker 1: get Away with Murder? Because we did it, that's right. No,
Speaker 1: they had to do a really weird thing with me
Speaker 1: because they couldn't have Amanda Tanner and Vonnie winner Bottom
Speaker 1: exist in the same universe. Oh shit, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's insane. Did someone tell you that? No, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that it occurred to them in the room
Speaker 1: when they were trying to break that crossover of like
Speaker 1: she's gonna like I was kind of problematic. I had
Speaker 1: to think about that either, because you also look so
Speaker 1: different between the two roles. I mean, I mean you're
Speaker 1: also you're a kamelion of an actor, but like you
Speaker 1: look wildly different. I mean you have a short, blonde
Speaker 1: bob and you're in these suits and like really powerful
Speaker 1: and just such. I mean, honestly, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I didn't know you that you were the same person,
Speaker 1: that you would connect that. Yeah, which is which is great.
Speaker 1: I wish I got to be a part of those scenes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they just didn't. They just didn't bring Bonnie
Speaker 1: into that story. Holy shit. I never even thought about that. Wow,
Speaker 1: that would have flipped fans out. Yeah, yeah, yo, Liza,
Speaker 1: were you ever on how to get it with murder?
Speaker 1: Did you ever have days where you were like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck is happening in the story,
Speaker 1: Like what and then just do do it because me
Speaker 1: and Katie talked about that. There'd be days where I'd
Speaker 1: be like, Katie, I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck is happening in the storyline. I really don't.
Speaker 1: I'm so lost. Yeah, but I'm just gonna act the
Speaker 1: shit out of it or try. Like I don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening. And we were on the show and I
Speaker 1: know how to get watching how to get it with murders.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd be like I'd have to rewatch and read
Speaker 1: because I was like, wait, what I say? Why? Yeah?
Speaker 1: If we were braiding time in such a weird way
Speaker 1: too on that show, well, they were like going back
Speaker 1: and forth and jumping back in time and the night
Speaker 1: of the thing, and then other than that, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we are. Yeah, I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: we were constantly doing that. And it was also like
Speaker 1: our you know, like the night X stuff, like we
Speaker 1: would shoot the murder night stuff um that that you
Speaker 1: know that comes together at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: But they hadn't even figured it out, like they didn't
Speaker 1: know the trajectory. So we're shooting it and like piece
Speaker 1: me a little sections as well, and they've never they
Speaker 1: never wanted to break that story fully, so everybody was
Speaker 1: just completely in the dark, like they would be like,
Speaker 1: you know, like season five, or like we're gonna have you,
Speaker 1: um smothering somebody in the snow. We don't know who
Speaker 1: that person is or while you're doing this. So if
Speaker 1: you could just do that, do that with like a
Speaker 1: neutral expression on ourthing. Um, you know, like run out
Speaker 1: of the house like you just killed somebody. Now run
Speaker 1: out of the house like you didn't kill somebody, but
Speaker 1: you still there's still an urgency that you're running like
Speaker 1: we don't. It's just like, oh my god. You know,
Speaker 1: we had the whole season of like Who's under the Sheet?
Speaker 1: Like we know we were told like one of you
Speaker 1: is gonna die, we don't know who it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: Scandal became a show sort of like that. I remember
Speaker 1: I was actually just gonna ask you this question, like
Speaker 1: scal when when James died. Oh yeah, you know, we
Speaker 1: we were we were very very quickly shaken to realize like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, people can die on this show, like like
Speaker 1: Columbus Shorts character died, like James died, and I remember
Speaker 1: being like, oh shit, none of us are safe. But
Speaker 1: how do you survive it. I mean it's too much,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're on such serious shows, it's like
Speaker 1: you gotta like let some of that air out. M
Speaker 1: We also make farting sounds all the time. Oh my god, Liza,
Speaker 1: that's what we do, Like right before shooting, we would
Speaker 1: do that all the time, and then we'd go it's levity, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta have the levity. I know, I can't. I
Speaker 1: wish we could like all go back and we're going
Speaker 1: to make this scandal musical comedy. Yes, oh I know.
Speaker 1: I mean if you guys think that there will be
Speaker 1: like a reboot thing like or like, I don't. I
Speaker 1: think has always been like, no, it doesn't in the cards,
Speaker 1: but I whenever I whenever we've like set it in
Speaker 1: passing like carry or anyone. I know that the whole
Speaker 1: cast would do anything because we really loved working together
Speaker 1: and we yeah, you know, I think that's the hardest part.
Speaker 1: I think so much about Scanal being over is more.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, we loved the material and the ride,
Speaker 1: but the greatest is like, oh, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: be at five o'clock in the morning on a Monday
Speaker 1: morning and a makeup trailer with Hermo Diaz and Carrie
Speaker 1: Washington and Darby Stansfield, like just shooting the shit. It's
Speaker 1: like that only exists in the time that we had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, that's the stuff, man, It's it's magic, it's
Speaker 1: the stuff. Yeah, all right, y'all, let's get into our
Speaker 1: favorite tweet time. Y'all. We read some of the tweets
Speaker 1: of the time. Were you on Twitter during this time?
Speaker 1: I wasn't yet. I was, we were. I was mandated
Speaker 1: to get Twitter and Instagram when Murder started and so
Speaker 1: I but I wasn't fully doing it. I remember watching
Speaker 1: you guys do that. Well, I guess you guys didn't
Speaker 1: start the live tweeting phenomena until season two, right, that
Speaker 1: was like the big ship pilot. Okay, it was the pilot,
Speaker 1: ye I believe. So, yeah, we started tweeting from the
Speaker 1: from the beginning, but it took off later. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it took off second season, but the first season we
Speaker 1: started it. But some of the tweets from April twenty seven,
Speaker 1: from twenty twelve, this is like going back into our
Speaker 1: our time capsule. Liza is at end the fact it said,
Speaker 1: whoever this Amanda Turner is has balls of steel? Lying
Speaker 1: like that hashtag scandal. Nice job, Amanda Turner. They would
Speaker 1: they would mess up our names all the time. I
Speaker 1: get called hawk, Oh my, would be like I love Puck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got Puck or Hawk, love that Hawk. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: you're all um this stay at home. I stay at
Speaker 1: home daughter at fuddle Cutter says me while watching Scandal. Bitch,
Speaker 1: you know they can kill you, right. Take the fucking
Speaker 1: money serious, which is not wrong. Where's the lie? Where's
Speaker 1: the lie in that statement? Yeah? Nowhere it was ten
Speaker 1: million dollars. Amanda Turner said no to ten millions. Five,
Speaker 1: wasn't it? Yeah? It was ten million. I thought they
Speaker 1: were offering her right. Oh gosh, she wasn't really love
Speaker 1: that Billy Chambers yea like she loved that Billy Chambers.
Speaker 1: At Lex Boogie one on April twenty twelve, says I
Speaker 1: just finished doing that. I don't know what that's it,
Speaker 1: replies to llol retweet, Oh here it is, guys. I'm
Speaker 1: just like remembering how to read Twitter at I need
Speaker 1: to watch Cyrus read the President for blood one more
Speaker 1: time on Scandal hashtag DVR. Who's this at row Lake
Speaker 1: says the blondie and newbie on Scandal are kind of
Speaker 1: alle I know, I was trying to figure out who
Speaker 1: they were talking about. Who is that? That's YouTube? That's
Speaker 1: YouTube blonde. She was kind of dirty blonde. Oh was she?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, they're talking about us?
Speaker 1: Fuck you a No, it's fine. Please. That is nothing
Speaker 1: compared to the shit I got for the next seven years.
Speaker 1: It's a very strange thing. The twitters, the blessing and
Speaker 1: a curse. Man, I don't know. The key is not
Speaker 1: responding to to that bullshit, not feedy into that like
Speaker 1: I did in the beginning a little bit, and then
Speaker 1: I was just like, I can't do that. I just
Speaker 1: would mute people. For me, it would be like a
Speaker 1: hundred compliments, but the one thing that someone said that
Speaker 1: was unc behind would be the thing I would think about.
Speaker 1: And my husband would be like, Katie, there's literally like
Speaker 1: ninety nine people telling you that you're pretty or you
Speaker 1: did a good job or something, and the one person
Speaker 1: who said I was had a fat ass, or you know,
Speaker 1: that I was stupid, or somebody fucking killed Quinn Perkins
Speaker 1: or something would be the thing that would like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like yeah. It was such a lesson. But also
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for it because my god, I have
Speaker 1: a thick skin now, Like I don't even fucking care,
Speaker 1: and like I'm just like, think what you want, Like
Speaker 1: when you get put through that, you're just likely way
Speaker 1: I'm going to survive this is to just yeah, you
Speaker 1: just you just build up immunity to it. You're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Liza Vile, you are.
Speaker 1: So we tell us what you're up to now and
Speaker 1: then we'll let you go. We can catch you on
Speaker 1: The Cleaning Lady. You can catch me up The Cleaning Lady. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can watch it on Hulu and I believe that
Speaker 1: the first season is on HBO Max. But yeah, I've
Speaker 1: had a really lovely time recurring on that show. Really
Speaker 1: really nice. I've heard it's amazing. It's a really fun show.
Speaker 1: And again, like I get to do some really fucking
Speaker 1: cool shit on that show. Man, Like what are you playing?
Speaker 1: What are you playing? Now? God, you're such a chameleon.
Speaker 1: Assistant Special Agent in Charge Catherine Russo who is um
Speaker 1: FBI and I play sort of this the boss supervisor
Speaker 1: to Oliver Hudson, who is yes, a little bit of
Speaker 1: a loose cannon rogue rogue agent. This is very cool.
Speaker 1: I'm very into this. Yeah, it's a cool show. But
Speaker 1: I get to um, I got to like fucking jump
Speaker 1: out of a helicopter with like swat gear on, and
Speaker 1: I get to do cool actionly stuff a little bit
Speaker 1: um yo. And Liza's fucking strong as how. I used
Speaker 1: to take pilates private doubles with her. We had the
Speaker 1: same pilates teacher, Juliet Casca. Who's so I can do
Speaker 1: one move? She asked me, like, I'm not a single
Speaker 1: fucking It took me months, Katie, like, like I think
Speaker 1: maybe even a full two babies. I have lost everything
Speaker 1: I ever knew or was when I I mean, I
Speaker 1: started working with her like six months after I had Josephine,
Speaker 1: and I had zero body awareness or like I couldn't
Speaker 1: feel any kind of muscle an ab good luck, I know,
Speaker 1: but I used to do doubles with Liza when I
Speaker 1: was in grade shape. And Liza's a piece. You are
Speaker 1: so fit, and anyone who's anyone should go and watch
Speaker 1: the cleaning lady and watch Liza jump out of helicopters
Speaker 1: and kick some fucking Yeah. Thank you all so much,
Speaker 1: for listening to the Scandal rewatch podcast Unpacking the tool Though,
Speaker 1: and thank you Lisa, Thank you so so much for
Speaker 1: Liza for hanging out with us. Ah, thank you, guys,
Speaker 1: as it's lovely talking to you. I could talk to
Speaker 1: you all day long because it's so fun. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we drinks and let's do that. I want to hang out, Liza.
Speaker 1: I miss you terribly. Thank you for coming on. Next week.
Speaker 1: We are on episode one oh five called Crash and Burn.
Speaker 1: That's a really good episode. The next one too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a huge plane crash. Yes, yeah, you guys got
Speaker 1: to come back and check it out. I'm back check
Speaker 1: it out with Katie Lowez Unpacking the Toolbox. Y. Thank
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