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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondoland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio Katie. My son today got his cast off.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how does he feel? Is he happy? Well?

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Speaker 1: Now he has to be in a brace, but we

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Speaker 1: have a cast off party this afternoon. He's requested two

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Speaker 1: friends to be a Pokemon trading company. Were you ever

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Speaker 1: into Pokemon? Hell no, yeah, I still don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: I still didn't even understand what Pokemon is. Boys. Pikachu

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Speaker 1: It's a bunny. I think it's a bunny. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea. I literally have no cluthes going on. But

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Speaker 1: my son is so into it. And for the first time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's only the cards. He gets our shit ass knockoffs

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Speaker 1: that are like five cents because I'm not spending money

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Speaker 1: on this show. And some of these cards are like

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Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. It's like collecting baseball card, like limited edition,

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Speaker 1: you know, Pokemons being around for thirty years or something.

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Speaker 1: So when he got his cast off, I got him

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Speaker 1: his first like real it was like sixteen dollars card.

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Speaker 1: Oh and as big fear is that he's going to

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Speaker 1: try to trade these knockoff piece of shit card They're like, kid,

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Speaker 1: this is this is a fake. Like this is a fake.

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Speaker 1: You're a fake, You're a phony, you're parents phones. Yo.

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Speaker 1: The only time I loved Pikachu is when when Pikachu

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Speaker 1: was a fucking happy meal box? Do you remember that?

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Speaker 1: Just a few months ago? And all I listen, I

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Speaker 1: don't love anything more than I love a good happy meal.

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Speaker 1: It makes the food taste better. Well, you could either

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Speaker 1: have a hamburger or cheeseburger, and then it comes with

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Speaker 1: small fries, apple slices, or yogurt, and that's pretty much.

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Speaker 1: I always get the hamburger with the fries. But y'all,

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Speaker 1: for a stint, for a little for a period there,

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Speaker 1: the only time I was interested in Pikachu, the only

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Speaker 1: and actually surprisingly have you ever had a broken bone?

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Speaker 1: Uh in my foot? Yeah? I have? Oh did you

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Speaker 1: have to have a cast? Uh? No? You know you

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Speaker 1: know what in my hand too. Yeah, I had to

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Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid, I broke my leg.

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Speaker 1: I remembered them taking the cast off and it hurt

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Speaker 1: so so so badly, and it was so scary. And

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Speaker 1: kids for in literally under one minute. It tickles their

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Speaker 1: But and Albi was husterical laughing. Are you serious? Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's so ticklish and he's stile laughing and had the

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Speaker 1: I've had a very active mourning. I tid Freeman, do

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Speaker 1: you ever hike I have? Yeah, I like hiking Freeman

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Speaker 1: is a is a trail up here in a North Hollywood, right,

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Speaker 1: But today when I got there, I was following the

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Speaker 1: whole time, like seventy five teenage girls on this crash.

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Speaker 1: It was awful. You gotta let them go ahead. You

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Speaker 1: I'm a fast fucking hiker. You are. We gotta go

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Speaker 1: hiking one day together. I love hiking. I would love it.

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Speaker 1: like thin outdoors. You're listening to Madonna. I listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 1: laughing because the greatest guest is here, the one and

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Speaker 1: only lies a while. Hi Liza, Hi, right, Yes you

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Speaker 1: did it, you crush it. Welcome to the Scandal Rewatch Podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's so nice to be here, you guys. I'm so

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Speaker 1: fit to dig in this with you. Man, you're unpacking

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Speaker 1: the toolbox. We're talking about episode one oh four called

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Speaker 1: Enemy of the State, which originally aired on April twenty

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Speaker 1: sixth of twenty twelve, and it was written by Richard E.

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Speaker 1: Robbins who I don't remember this writer, Katie, And it

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Speaker 1: was directed by Michael Cattleman, and I don't remember that director.

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Speaker 1: Gar guest starring Liza Wild, Amanda Tanner, Brendan Hines is Gidey,

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Speaker 1: and Wallace Bellamy Young his first Lady, Mellie Grant, Dan

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Speaker 1: Bucatinsky as James Novak, Joshua Molina as David Rosen, Matt

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Speaker 1: Lesher is Billy Chambers, Jose Zuniga as Hened, Benicio Flores,

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Speaker 1: and Kate McGregor stewart as Mary. And just to take

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Speaker 1: you guys, scandal pace through the synopsis like we do.

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Speaker 1: When a dictator shows up at the OPA office pleading

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Speaker 1: faces a moral dilemma on taking the case. Then, when

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Speaker 1: the truth comes out about the dictators missing family, the

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Speaker 1: entire team faces an even more difficult situation. Olivia and

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Speaker 1: Cyrus navigate the Amanda Tanner case. And who better to

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Speaker 1: only Amanda fucking Tanner? Yeah? Yo, lines up? How did

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Speaker 1: get right into it. I had done an episode of

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Speaker 1: Chef's Kiss. They had me come in right into a

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Speaker 1: we gotta get there. Yeah, I mean I remember Katie,

425
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: like I loved Arla of Amanda and Quinn st so

426
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: much because it just felt like when I got to

427
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: be in a scene with you that I was just

428
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: being bathed in like warmth and kindness because Carrie as

429
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: Olivia really was pretty harsh with Amanda, and she would

430
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: just look at me like a fucking piece of shit,

431
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: like and like so much judgment. Yeah, well she thinks

432
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: you're pregnant with her fucking love yeah boyfriend with her boyfriend.

433
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: What am I saying? It's so so complicated for her, Yeah,

434
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: and it isn't really intense thing for her to take on.

435
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: It is webby as fuck, you know. Yeah, But Quinn

436
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: and Quinn and Amanda were just like I'm just like

437
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: I just want you to be Okay, yeah, it doesn't

438
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: have to be your story. Yeah, come be a client.

439
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: I come be a client, And like I'm trying to

440
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: do a good job. And I felt I feel like

441
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: Quinn feels so bad for her, Like I just think

442
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: she relates to her in a way too, right, Yeah,

443
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: there's empathy there, yeah, for sure. I mean, also, let's

444
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: take it back to like this is the cook Man.

445
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: This storyline Aman Tanner sleeping with the president. I mean

446
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: that is literally ripped from Judy Smith, who Olivia Pope

447
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: is based on representing Monica Lewinsky. Yes, yes, right, that's

448
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. I mean, your your case and

449
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: your person is very loosely inspired by probably the most

450
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: famous political presidential scandal in the history of time other

451
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: than Nixon, and like yeah, yeah, I mean there was

452
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: also a thing where, you know, the writers were sort

453
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: of like, we don't really know if she did sleep

454
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: with him, you know, yeah, Mike having to be like, Okay, well,

455
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: I think I just have to play that I did,

456
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: but I think it also, I mean to get kind

457
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: of raw about it. It was bringing up like a

458
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: lot of interesting things for me because I was like,

459
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: I did just have a baby. It was like really

460
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: a little sense of about being kind of on TV

461
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: and being looked at, and also been adding that element

462
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: of like, is anybody gonna believe that he slept with me? Like, yes,

463
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man. You you're gorgeous. We're our worst enemies,

464
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: ourselves we are. Yeah, you are gorgeous every day of

465
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: your life, like in any any version of you. Brew brunette, blonde,

466
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: short hair, long hair, post baby. That's not why I'm

467
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: bringing that up. I didn't mean it to be a high.

468
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: We're going to be the ones to tell you, and

469
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: then we've and also you're doing some mad sketchy shit.

470
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: It's not in this episode, but in previous episodes you're

471
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: like on the phone and you're like, I have to

472
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: tell her. I can't like lie anymore. I had no

473
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: idea who I was calling. By the way, who you're talking.

474
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: You don't know you're talking to Billy Chambers. You don't

475
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: know you're actually pregnant with Billy Chambers. Baby. No, I

476
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: have none of that information. But it was such a

477
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: great way in going back, I have to say, like

478
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I wish I made a little

479
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: bit more of a choice. There because it was a

480
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: pretty general We all felt like that. I keep going

481
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: back and I'm like, God, why was I playing that?

482
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh, because I didn't know. You

483
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: didn't know, but I worked. It worked. Yeah, you just

484
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: have to embrace like the general, like I'll just do

485
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: something general. Yeah. I remember distinctly one day on set,

486
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: not in this episode, on an earlier episode, I want

487
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: to say, maybe even the pilot. Yeah. I think it

488
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: was the pilot. The scenes where you are in bed

489
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: after you've slit your wrist. Oh. Yeah, and you brought

490
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Josephine to set. Oh, and she met Shonda and it

491
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: was so stressed, Like I was like as a like

492
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: as a person who wanted to be a mom. I

493
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: just remember like looking at you and being like, oh

494
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: my god, Like she's married to an actor and she

495
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: is bringing her child to set and she's working and

496
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: you're doing it amazing job. Like I just remember being like,

497
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: holy shit, Like I hadn't I hadn't seen that before

498
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: because I only guest starred on procedurals where men were

499
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: the leads. I really hadn't seen any people bring babies

500
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: on set. It was the first time. I mean Shanda

501
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: like was very like she's obsessed with babies obviously. I

502
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: mean people don't know this. Sean is obsessed with babies

503
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: from Grays and Private and all that. And she just

504
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: was so like welcoming and happy that you brought her

505
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: to set. And I just remember being like, oh my god, like, yeah,

506
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: she was lovely about that. Okay. A few other firsts

507
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: and orders of business that I need to touch upon

508
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: is this is the first time we see Olivia drink

509
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: the biggest fucking glass of red wine in the history

510
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: of fucking television, which became a staple. Yea, it really

511
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: does make you want to have wine immediately the way

512
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: she drinks it. You're just like, ah, so she does

513
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: this huge wine thing, which became such a staple, like

514
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: such a joke. Like I remember seeing so much any sketches,

515
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: I think even on SNL or some shit that just

516
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: had like some Olivia Pope thing with a glass like

517
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: the size of a room. We meet James played by

518
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Dan Bugatinski, and we learned that Cyrus is gay. Yeah,

519
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: fucking episode, Oh my god, that is huge. I mean,

520
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: Jeff Perry will have when we have him on, like

521
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: he didn't know Cyrus was gay. I remember talking Dan

522
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, he had no clue, And I mean,

523
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: we have to have Dan Bugatinski on who plays James

524
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: Novakian's performance is absolutely legendary, and it starts in this episode.

525
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: We also this Sanders Black played by leland Or ser

526
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: gets hired by the White House, and we learn for

527
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: the first time some of the like stray dogs in

528
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: OPA their backstory. For example, that Hawk's a killer. We

529
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: learned that Abby was beaten, which we didn't know before.

530
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: We've really We learned that Quinn Perkins didn't exist until

531
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: two thousand eight, motherfucker. And we learned that Harrison Wright

532
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: was like a car salesman kind of you know, slimy

533
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: dude turned lawyer, right, yeah, and we got caught up

534
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: in some money like yeah, he was some money laundering

535
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: type bad shit, and that Stephen Stephen was an attorney

536
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: as well who had a breakdown. Yeah, yeah, doing a

537
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: case and Olivia brought him sort of took him under

538
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: her wing. Yeah, oh right, he had a breakdown. Yeah.

539
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: And then I have my next note is Jeff gives

540
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 1: the best monologue ever whoa Well he says, you know,

541
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: you've got a man of Tanner's pregnant, and the President

542
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: is like, well, what happens now? And he takes him

543
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: through the trajectory of like what is like his downfall

544
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: and ultimately like you're you know, his demise and like

545
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: how he's just his life is just completely ruined and

546
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot himself with that gun that his dad

547
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: gave him, blow the back of his skull out. Yeah,

548
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: so good God, nobody can do what Jeff Perry does.

549
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: It is like, I watch him with such wonder There

550
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: should be an entire podcast just devoted to how he like,

551
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: how he brings stuff off the page. It is just astounding.

552
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: And then yeah, he has this little giggle at the

553
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: end as he's walking out the door. Do you remember that, Liza? Yes,

554
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: And he's like, huh no, but write your speech like

555
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: that matters, that's important, brilliant. Just that little moment is like, oh,

556
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: it's so amazing. He's so good. And then we're prepping

557
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: a man a Tanner for Diane Sawyer and it seems

558
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: like she may not want to Yeah, because that paternity

559
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: suit's going to be a little bit of when we

560
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: do that and we realize that she's not pregnant with

561
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: the president's husband, I mean the president's baby. And this

562
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: for the next first is that we've got the words.

563
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: Abby throws papers at her when I wanted to leave Charles,

564
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: and she has the most beautiful scene. Oh well I

565
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: wanted to leave Charles. Yeah, well, I wanted to leave Charles.

566
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: Abbey and Olivia have been at odds for a while

567
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: because Abby thinks Olivia keeps fucking up. She's her gut

568
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: is not in the right place, she's taking on the

569
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: wrong cases, she's she's misstepping right and left in Yeah.

570
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: For the first time, Abby says the phrase over a cliff, yes,

571
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: which like are you choking? Like who comes up with

572
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: this shit? I also, Katie, I don't know if you

573
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: if you notice, this is the first time that we

574
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: hear um. Abby mentions um Olivia taking a tire iron

575
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: to her ex husband's kneecap. Yes, And it's the first time,

576
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: Like I heard it for the first time when I

577
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: watched it on this rewatch and I was like, oh shit,

578
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: Like Olivia got violent on this dude because he, you know,

579
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: he hit her friend. And I was like, oh, wow,

580
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. That's interesting information. Shadowing of kills what's

581
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: his name with the chair? Oh wow, yes, yes, which

582
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: is like seasons later. Um. I cry so hard in

583
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: this episode because of the fucking don't ever show me

584
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: an episode of television anywhere anytime where a baby's being

585
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: ripped away from its mother while the baby's fucking crying.

586
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: Baby's performance is amazing. I can't watch this. This baby

587
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I don't know whether the baby's really crying

588
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: or they added it in post, but it is absolutely

589
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: face and oh yeah, it's it's really heart wrenching. I mean,

590
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: it is absolutely heart wrenching that the dickhead dictator who's

591
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: abusive and a piece of shit, like the wife wants

592
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: to save her family and leave him because he's not

593
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: the man she married. And he's like, yeah, fine, you

594
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: can leave me, but I'm going to take all the children.

595
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: And they have to like and over the sobbing baby

596
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: and the older son, and it is just absolutely heartbreaking.

597
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: And those those guest stars, can I just say really quickly, Jose,

598
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, Jose's Uniga, who plays hid A

599
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: Benicio Floridez. Oh, he's been in a like over one

600
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: hundred and forty like films and TV shows like, he's

601
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: in everything. Yeah, And speaking of first, me and him

602
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: did my first movie ever, Fresh where I got my

603
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: sag card, a movie with Sam Jackson and Bouchet. Right, Um,

604
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: Jose was in that film with me? Is that we did?

605
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: He was in, you know, my first first movie ever.

606
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: I love that anyway, he's he's a wonderful actor. And

607
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: then and then um, Valerie Cruz who plays Catolina Florides,

608
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: She's amazing and she was on Off the Map. Do

609
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: you remember that, Katie? Oh yes, I knew. She looks

610
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: familiar to me. Oh my god, that's where it was

611
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: that that was a Shonda land show right now. It

612
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: was the Doctor's Without Borders like Gray's Anatomy sort of

613
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: spinoff that lasted for one season and it was the

614
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: only show that did not become a huge zow And

615
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: I tested sort of for like all three female doctors

616
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: that didn't get them. And it was the year before Scandal,

617
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: and thank god, because I wasn't supposed to be fucking

618
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: doing that. And our makeup artists are amazing. Makeup artist

619
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: Denise worked on Off the Map and I remember her

620
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 1: and Valerie always just chatting and connecting and reminiscing about

621
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: shooting that show. I think they shot it in Hawaii

622
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: or something, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a question.

623
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: Gideon watches the tape in this episode where the President's

624
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: like whispering in your ear. Do you remember shooting that.

625
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: I do remember shooting it was he saying. I think

626
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: he was just leaning in and he didn't say anything,

627
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: but I think and that was I remember it was.

628
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: There was a lot of discussion I think about like

629
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: how they wanted it to look and it was, so

630
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't recall him. I mean, I think

631
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: he was probably just joking around when we did it,

632
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: and just you know, at the end of the episode

633
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: when you get a man a Tanner gets kidnapped, it's amazing,

634
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: it's eerie, it's fucking terrifying. Did you was it George

635
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: Newburn doing it to you or was it like just

636
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: a stand No, I think it was a stunt person.

637
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: So you didn't know at the time when you were

638
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: shooting it that it was Charlie. I didn't. Nope, didn't

639
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: know any of that. Yeah, yeah, nope, I didn't. No. Shit,

640
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: the yeah, the needle and the foot you know. I

641
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: think I remember reading that episode and being like, oh,

642
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: I think this is my last episode. Because the needle,

643
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: the needle in the toe, I was like, this is

644
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: end you come back from that. Your your foot acting

645
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: was on point, like no pun intended to Ballerina's yo.

646
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: That ship was on point the way trying to pull

647
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: away from that needle. It was so good. It's such

648
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: a great scene. Funny watching it is that I realized

649
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: that I couldn't. I wasn't keeping my eyes open, like

650
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: my my instinct was to like just be squint and

651
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: I so wished were you watching? And I'm like, open

652
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: your eyes, dummy, open your eyes. Don't even see who's

653
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: doing it? Like see was seeing what's happening? Yeah, like

654
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. And I so that's I wish I

655
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: did that differently as well. But I think I didn't

656
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: even think of that. I just I just I see

657
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 1: is that you're fucking terrified, and like, yeah, but that's

658
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: so fucked up. When I'm watching it, I don't even

659
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: think I realized. I don't know if tell me if

660
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm completely wrong. Do you think everybody was like, oh,

661
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: this is when she's dead? I just assumed that he

662
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: puts something in you to make you fall asleep, not

663
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: something that kills you. Yeah, I guess. I yeah, I

664
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: probably just went to the worst case scenario for myself

665
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: as an actor. Yeah. Yeah, Like, gee, did you think

666
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: this like that Amanda Tanner is dead or were you

667
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: like she's going to be put out and we're not

668
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: done with her yet exactly? Yeah, I didn't think. I

669
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: didn't think they were going to kill her off neither. Yeah,

670
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: at least at that point, I think Shanda brought me

671
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: in and told me that she is to die, but

672
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: that there was going to be like some flashback stuff

673
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: and then wait, we need to talk about that while

674
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: we have you though, I'll remember that day like nobody

675
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: like we were in Long Beach, I think, and then

676
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: she told me that they're going to pull my body

677
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: out of the river, and I was like, can I

678
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: please do that? Oh man, I have no idea what

679
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: disgusting thing happens. But you were pulled up on this

680
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: vest this ragon and just dangling it was it freezing

681
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: cold they put I mean they really geared me up.

682
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: I mean I think I had like layers of wetsuits

683
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: on under my clothes and everything and they painted you blue.

684
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: They like painted you. Your makeup was like obviously someone

685
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: who had been dropped in the Potomac. There was a

686
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: lot of discussion about like keep your mouth closed, like

687
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: make sure like this water is probably not great, that's disgusting.

688
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: So they dunked your ass in. They dunked you and

689
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: pulled you out for the scene. Well, there was the

690
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: thing that they did have a stunt person because I

691
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: guess that you're not allowed to be like I couldn't

692
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: be underwater and pulled up, so they so they yeah,

693
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: so they did the stunt person for that, but then

694
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: they did let me just like when it was like

695
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: the close up on your face and really knowing who

696
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: it was that to do that, and it was so fun,

697
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: Like I was like so excited to do that. That

698
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: was just some next level like I cannot believe I

699
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: get to be doing this. This is so cool. That's

700
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: so fun, like River Death, Yeah, yes please, y un

701
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: fucking believable and also so effective for us because you know,

702
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: we have so many episodes after you die where we're talking.

703
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's so crazy that you're not there because

704
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: you're so a lot. You know, it's like those plays

705
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: where like you never meet the dad, but the pictures

706
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: on the wall and they dad so much or whatever,

707
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: but like it felt like that, like you were so

708
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you were the engine and the fire of

709
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: the whole first season. Yeah yeah, and if people didn't

710
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: really care and feel for you, it would never have worked.

711
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: And that's just like such a testament to everything you did. Wow.

712
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. We will be back with more after the break.

713
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: If this was twenty twelve, right, this aired on table

714
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: twenty six and two twelve. Do you remember when you

715
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: first shot Murder twenty fourteen? So it was two years? Yeah,

716
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: two years, that's yeah, that's why. My god, I remember

717
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: being at the one of the evening before parties, those

718
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: Emmy parties as a scandal, Cassie. We were already on

719
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: season I don't know what season we were on, two

720
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: or three, maybe right before Murder started, and then all

721
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, How To get Away with Murder was

722
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: a hot show, huge. Yeah. Yeah, did you have scenes

723
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: again with Carrie when she crossed over to How To

724
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: get Away with Murder? Because we did it, that's right. No,

725
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: they had to do a really weird thing with me

726
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: because they couldn't have Amanda Tanner and Vonnie winner Bottom

727
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: exist in the same universe. Oh shit, Oh my god,

728
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: that's insane. Did someone tell you that? No, I mean

729
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: I think that it occurred to them in the room

730
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: when they were trying to break that crossover of like

731
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: she's gonna like I was kind of problematic. I had

732
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: to think about that either, because you also look so

733
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: different between the two roles. I mean, I mean you're

734
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: also you're a kamelion of an actor, but like you

735
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: look wildly different. I mean you have a short, blonde

736
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: bob and you're in these suits and like really powerful

737
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: and just such. I mean, honestly, I don't even know

738
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: if I didn't know you that you were the same person,

739
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: that you would connect that. Yeah, which is which is great.

740
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: I wish I got to be a part of those scenes.

741
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, they just didn't. They just didn't bring Bonnie

742
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: into that story. Holy shit. I never even thought about that. Wow,

743
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: that would have flipped fans out. Yeah, yeah, yo, Liza,

744
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: were you ever on how to get it with murder?

745
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: Did you ever have days where you were like, I

746
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck is happening in the story,

747
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: Like what and then just do do it because me

748
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: and Katie talked about that. There'd be days where I'd

749
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: be like, Katie, I don't know, I don't know what

750
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: the fuck is happening in the storyline. I really don't.

751
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm so lost. Yeah, but I'm just gonna act the

752
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: shit out of it or try. Like I don't know

753
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: what's happening. And we were on the show and I

754
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: know how to get watching how to get it with murders.

755
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd be like I'd have to rewatch and read

756
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: because I was like, wait, what I say? Why? Yeah?

757
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: If we were braiding time in such a weird way

758
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: too on that show, well, they were like going back

759
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: and forth and jumping back in time and the night

760
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: of the thing, and then other than that, I'm like,

761
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: I don't know where we are. Yeah, I mean, yes,

762
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: we were constantly doing that. And it was also like

763
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: our you know, like the night X stuff, like we

764
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: would shoot the murder night stuff um that that you

765
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: know that comes together at the end of the season.

766
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: But they hadn't even figured it out, like they didn't

767
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: know the trajectory. So we're shooting it and like piece

768
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: me a little sections as well, and they've never they

769
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: never wanted to break that story fully, so everybody was

770
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: just completely in the dark, like they would be like,

771
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, like season five, or like we're gonna have you,

772
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: um smothering somebody in the snow. We don't know who

773
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: that person is or while you're doing this. So if

774
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: you could just do that, do that with like a

775
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: neutral expression on ourthing. Um, you know, like run out

776
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: of the house like you just killed somebody. Now run

777
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: out of the house like you didn't kill somebody, but

778
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: you still there's still an urgency that you're running like

779
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: we don't. It's just like, oh my god. You know,

780
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: we had the whole season of like Who's under the Sheet?

781
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: Like we know we were told like one of you

782
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: is gonna die, we don't know who it is. I mean,

783
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: Scandal became a show sort of like that. I remember

784
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: I was actually just gonna ask you this question, like

785
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: scal when when James died. Oh yeah, you know, we

786
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: we were we were very very quickly shaken to realize like,

787
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: oh yeah, people can die on this show, like like

788
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: Columbus Shorts character died, like James died, and I remember

789
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: being like, oh shit, none of us are safe. But

790
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: how do you survive it. I mean it's too much,

791
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: you know, when you're on such serious shows, it's like

792
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: you gotta like let some of that air out. M

793
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: We also make farting sounds all the time. Oh my god, Liza,

794
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: that's what we do, Like right before shooting, we would

795
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: do that all the time, and then we'd go it's levity, man,

796
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: you gotta have the levity. I know, I can't. I

797
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: wish we could like all go back and we're going

798
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: to make this scandal musical comedy. Yes, oh I know.

799
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean if you guys think that there will be

800
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: like a reboot thing like or like, I don't. I

801
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: think has always been like, no, it doesn't in the cards,

802
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: but I whenever I whenever we've like set it in

803
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: passing like carry or anyone. I know that the whole

804
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: cast would do anything because we really loved working together

805
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: and we yeah, you know, I think that's the hardest part.

806
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: I think so much about Scanal being over is more.

807
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, we loved the material and the ride,

808
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: but the greatest is like, oh, I'm never going to

809
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: be at five o'clock in the morning on a Monday

810
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: morning and a makeup trailer with Hermo Diaz and Carrie

811
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: Washington and Darby Stansfield, like just shooting the shit. It's

812
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: like that only exists in the time that we had. Yeah,

813
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: I know, that's the stuff, man, It's it's magic, it's

814
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: the stuff. Yeah, all right, y'all, let's get into our

815
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: favorite tweet time. Y'all. We read some of the tweets

816
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: of the time. Were you on Twitter during this time?

817
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't yet. I was, we were. I was mandated

818
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: to get Twitter and Instagram when Murder started and so

819
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: I but I wasn't fully doing it. I remember watching

820
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: you guys do that. Well, I guess you guys didn't

821
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: start the live tweeting phenomena until season two, right, that

822
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: was like the big ship pilot. Okay, it was the pilot,

823
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: ye I believe. So, yeah, we started tweeting from the

824
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: from the beginning, but it took off later. Yeah, yeah,

825
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: it took off second season, but the first season we

826
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: started it. But some of the tweets from April twenty seven,

827
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: from twenty twelve, this is like going back into our

828
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: our time capsule. Liza is at end the fact it said,

829
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: whoever this Amanda Turner is has balls of steel? Lying

830
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 1: like that hashtag scandal. Nice job, Amanda Turner. They would

831
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: they would mess up our names all the time. I

832
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: get called hawk, Oh my, would be like I love Puck. Yeah,

833
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: I got Puck or Hawk, love that Hawk. I'm like, yo,

834
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: you're all um this stay at home. I stay at

835
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: home daughter at fuddle Cutter says me while watching Scandal. Bitch,

836
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: you know they can kill you, right. Take the fucking

837
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: money serious, which is not wrong. Where's the lie? Where's

838
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: the lie in that statement? Yeah? Nowhere it was ten

839
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: million dollars. Amanda Turner said no to ten millions. Five,

840
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: wasn't it? Yeah? It was ten million. I thought they

841
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: were offering her right. Oh gosh, she wasn't really love

842
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: that Billy Chambers yea like she loved that Billy Chambers.

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Speaker 1: At Lex Boogie one on April twenty twelve, says I

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Speaker 1: just finished doing that. I don't know what that's it,

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Speaker 1: replies to llol retweet, Oh here it is, guys. I'm

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Speaker 1: just like remembering how to read Twitter at I need

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Speaker 1: to watch Cyrus read the President for blood one more

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Speaker 1: time on Scandal hashtag DVR. Who's this at row Lake

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Speaker 1: says the blondie and newbie on Scandal are kind of

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Speaker 1: alle I know, I was trying to figure out who

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Speaker 1: they were talking about. Who is that? That's YouTube? That's

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Speaker 1: YouTube blonde. She was kind of dirty blonde. Oh was she?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, they're talking about us?

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Speaker 1: Fuck you a No, it's fine. Please. That is nothing

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Speaker 1: compared to the shit I got for the next seven years.

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Speaker 1: It's a very strange thing. The twitters, the blessing and

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Speaker 1: a curse. Man, I don't know. The key is not

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Speaker 1: responding to to that bullshit, not feedy into that like

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Speaker 1: I did in the beginning a little bit, and then

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Speaker 1: I was just like, I can't do that. I just

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Speaker 1: would mute people. For me, it would be like a

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Speaker 1: hundred compliments, but the one thing that someone said that

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Speaker 1: was unc behind would be the thing I would think about.

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Speaker 1: And my husband would be like, Katie, there's literally like

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Speaker 1: ninety nine people telling you that you're pretty or you

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Speaker 1: did a good job or something, and the one person

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Speaker 1: who said I was had a fat ass, or you know,

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Speaker 1: that I was stupid, or somebody fucking killed Quinn Perkins

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Speaker 1: or something would be the thing that would like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's like yeah. It was such a lesson. But also

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for it because my god, I have

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Speaker 1: a thick skin now, Like I don't even fucking care,

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Speaker 1: and like I'm just like, think what you want, Like

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Speaker 1: when you get put through that, you're just likely way

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Speaker 1: I'm going to survive this is to just yeah, you

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Speaker 1: just you just build up immunity to it. You're just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Liza Vile, you are.

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Speaker 1: So we tell us what you're up to now and

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Speaker 1: then we'll let you go. We can catch you on

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Speaker 1: The Cleaning Lady. You can catch me up The Cleaning Lady. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can watch it on Hulu and I believe that

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Speaker 1: the first season is on HBO Max. But yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: had a really lovely time recurring on that show. Really

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Speaker 1: really nice. I've heard it's amazing. It's a really fun show.

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Speaker 1: And again, like I get to do some really fucking

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00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: cool shit on that show. Man, Like what are you playing?

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Speaker 1: What are you playing? Now? God, you're such a chameleon.

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Speaker 1: Assistant Special Agent in Charge Catherine Russo who is um

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Speaker 1: FBI and I play sort of this the boss supervisor

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Speaker 1: to Oliver Hudson, who is yes, a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a loose cannon rogue rogue agent. This is very cool.

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Speaker 1: I'm very into this. Yeah, it's a cool show. But

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Speaker 1: I get to um, I got to like fucking jump

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Speaker 1: out of a helicopter with like swat gear on, and

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Speaker 1: I get to do cool actionly stuff a little bit

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Speaker 1: um yo. And Liza's fucking strong as how. I used

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Speaker 1: to take pilates private doubles with her. We had the

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Speaker 1: same pilates teacher, Juliet Casca. Who's so I can do

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Speaker 1: one move? She asked me, like, I'm not a single

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Speaker 1: fucking It took me months, Katie, like, like I think

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Speaker 1: maybe even a full two babies. I have lost everything

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Speaker 1: I ever knew or was when I I mean, I

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Speaker 1: started working with her like six months after I had Josephine,

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Speaker 1: and I had zero body awareness or like I couldn't

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Speaker 1: feel any kind of muscle an ab good luck, I know,

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Speaker 1: but I used to do doubles with Liza when I

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Speaker 1: was in grade shape. And Liza's a piece. You are

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Speaker 1: so fit, and anyone who's anyone should go and watch

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Speaker 1: the cleaning lady and watch Liza jump out of helicopters

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Speaker 1: and kick some fucking Yeah. Thank you all so much,

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Speaker 1: for listening to the Scandal rewatch podcast Unpacking the tool Though,

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Speaker 1: and thank you Lisa, Thank you so so much for

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Speaker 1: Liza for hanging out with us. Ah, thank you, guys,

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Speaker 1: as it's lovely talking to you. I could talk to

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Speaker 1: you all day long because it's so fun. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: we drinks and let's do that. I want to hang out, Liza.

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Speaker 1: I miss you terribly. Thank you for coming on. Next week.

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Speaker 1: We are on episode one oh five called Crash and Burn.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good episode. The next one too. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a huge plane crash. Yes, yeah, you guys got

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Speaker 1: to come back and check it out. I'm back check

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Speaker 1: it out with Katie Lowez Unpacking the Toolbox. Y. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If

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Speaker 1: Our producer and editor is Vince de Johnny, with music

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