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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Saturday, February seventh, and we have a significant

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Speaker 2: breaking update in the ongoing search for Nancy Guthrie. The

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Speaker 2: family has put out now a third video saying they

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Speaker 2: will pay to get their mother back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roobes.

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Speaker 2: This is a breaking story, and this is something to

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Speaker 2: try to figure out and interpret here what they're trying

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Speaker 2: to say, what message they're trying to get out. This

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Speaker 2: is a lot, but Robes, they're saying they'll pay a ransom,

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Speaker 2: I guess, but I'm not sure exactly what they're thinking

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Speaker 2: they're getting back.

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Speaker 3: So this is something that just was posted as of

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Speaker 3: this recording within the last twenty thirty minutes. And this

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Speaker 3: is once again Savannah Guthrie alongside her siblings Cameron Guthrie

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Speaker 3: and Annie Guthrie.

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Speaker 4: And yes, they said we will pay.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is, this is a very cryptic video

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Speaker 3: message seemingly to an abductor they have somehow been in

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Speaker 3: contact with. Because and we'll play it for you in

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Speaker 3: a second. It begins with we received your message and

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Speaker 3: we understand it. Almost for me, it sounds like they're

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Speaker 3: talking to aliens who have sent some message from it,

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Speaker 3: it's very CRYPTI we don't know exactly what they're referring

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Speaker 3: to and who they're speaking to.

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Speaker 2: And this is, as we mentioned, the third one we've

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Speaker 2: seen from the family. As far as the authorities go Robes,

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Speaker 2: it's important to mention they have not said that they

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Speaker 2: believe they've received a credible ransom note. Yet there have

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Speaker 2: been several out there a ransom demand. A guy's been

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Speaker 2: arrested in charged with a fake ransom demand, so it's

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Speaker 2: it's all over the place. But Rose, based on this video,

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Speaker 2: they do believe someone has their mom and it's possible

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Speaker 2: to get her back by giving money, and that is

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Speaker 2: what this message is, and that is different from the

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Speaker 2: rest of them.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this felt like a very different tone, and this

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Speaker 3: feels like a significant twist in the story because yes,

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Speaker 3: I think look, we had had the reports that had

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Speaker 3: leaked out a veteran journalist putting perhaps some suspicion on

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Speaker 3: a family member, and people were headed in that direction.

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Speaker 3: That was what a lot of people were going with.

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Speaker 3: But now seeing those three siblings putting out a third video,

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Speaker 3: and yes, the tone what they said in this video

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Speaker 3: message would lead you to believe that there has been

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Speaker 3: some shift, some development where they believe they are speaking

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Speaker 3: to the person or persons who have their mother.

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Speaker 2: So, folks, we're gonna let you hear it. Now, forgive

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Speaker 2: kind of the crappy audio here. We are doing this

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Speaker 2: on the fly again. This was just posted twenty thirty

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Speaker 2: minutes ago by Savannah Guthrie to her Instagram account. But

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Speaker 2: this is her sitting next to her siblings on a couch,

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Speaker 2: just not reading from notes this time. And it's only

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Speaker 2: a twenty two second video. And this is what she said.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Now, we received your message and we understand.

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Speaker 3: We beg you now to return our mother to us

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Speaker 3: so that we can celebrate with her.

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Speaker 4: This is the only way we will have peace.

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Speaker 1: This is very valuable to us, and we will pay

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Speaker 1: a video.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that is it, and this is very valuable to us.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like they understand something about their mother that

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Speaker 2: we don't right now.

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Speaker 1: That's that's plaining is day.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like to me they said, we understand there's

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Speaker 2: something we understand, like understand something that might have happened.

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Speaker 2: The celebrate part is so let's go through that. We

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Speaker 2: heard it for what it is, But what did you.

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Speaker 3: Hear, so could it be we received your message and

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Speaker 3: we understand what they had been asking for was proof

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Speaker 3: of life. So it seems to me either they received

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Speaker 3: of their mother. But it seems as though they're acknowledging

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Speaker 3: that whatever was communicated to them or sent to them

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Speaker 3: feels like it's verified. That was my That was my interpretation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Robes, this is now.

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Speaker 2: Now have you've taken a poll or we just all

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Speaker 2: use common sense in this matter. This doesn't happen in

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Speaker 2: the United States since Lindbergh baby type stuff, Robes, those

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. And an eighty four year old woman,

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So the likelihood, Robes was that this was something else,

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Speaker 2: that this wasn't a ransom demand, and the authorities of

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Speaker 2: saying we haven't very so now with this, you're telling me,

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Speaker 3: This is what it feels like. We received your message,

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Speaker 2: They are talking to somebody that they believe has their mother.

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Speaker 1: Is that yes?

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Speaker 3: And this is apparently the way that this person has

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Speaker 3: instructed they communicate with them, because if there was another channel,

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Speaker 3: if there was another way, there are plenty of ways

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Speaker 4: But it appears as though this is their way.

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Speaker 3: Of communicating with these abductors who it seems as though

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Speaker 3: they are validating or verifying or authenticating by this message.

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Speaker 2: You have the text in front of you. Yes, what

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Speaker 2: she said, Okay, that she is one hundred percent. They

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Speaker 2: are verifying to all of us that their mother is

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Speaker 2: being held for ransom right now, and it's legit.

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Speaker 3: We received your message and we understand. We beg you

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Speaker 3: now to return our mother to us so that we

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Speaker 3: can celebrate with her.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: That would mean she is alive?

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Speaker 3: I mean that is what that would I would take

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Speaker 3: that to mean that somehow they received something from this

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Speaker 3: person they're now talking to or communicating with, that their

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Speaker 3: mother is alive and they believe it. This is the

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Speaker 3: only way we will have peace. Then you can interpret

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Speaker 3: as maybe they know she's not alive and they need

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Speaker 3: to have her to celebrate a funeral with her, and

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Speaker 3: then they will have peace. Because that next line to me,

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Speaker 3: negates celebrate with her, this is the only way we

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Speaker 3: will have peace. Sounds like we just want her remains returned.

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Speaker 2: Celebrate is a word that I hear coming from religious

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Speaker 2: people when you're talking about people passing on. And when

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Speaker 2: she said that word sank me more than the next line.

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Speaker 2: So we can celebrate with her, celebrates not a word. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they would love to have her home right now, a

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Speaker 2: celebration doesn't seem like it's even in your mindset. Even

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Speaker 2: if she comes home, you're going to be happy, You're

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Speaker 2: gonna be hugging you got me be crying. Celebrate was

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Speaker 2: a tough word to hear. It was because it sounds

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Speaker 2: know and I've heard. I've grew up around celebrate, homegoing celebrations,

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Speaker 2: and it just sounded for her in the next line

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Speaker 2: to say, we need peace.

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Speaker 4: This is the only way we will have peace.

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Speaker 1: But that means we have to we have to Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We have to be able to celebrate her life and

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Speaker 3: bury her remains.

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Speaker 4: And then the next sentence was even more somber.

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Speaker 3: This is very valuable to us, and we will pay,

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Speaker 3: meaning it sounded like we will pay for her.

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Speaker 1: Remains and there is no ransom anymore.

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Speaker 4: That is what it sounded like.

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Speaker 3: We don't know, that's just we have an honest interpretation,

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Speaker 3: but it wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Also the tone. Look, this was such a quick and

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Speaker 4: short message that also created a tone.

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Speaker 3: If they thought their mother was still alive, there would

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Speaker 3: be it seems like there would be more desperation, more earnestness.

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Speaker 4: It would have gone on for longer.

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Speaker 3: The fact that it was very concise, very short, and

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Speaker 3: in tone seemed deliberate and somber.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was a day, and it seems Robes recently,

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Speaker 2: at least major developments. We're hearing more from the family,

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Speaker 2: if you will, than we have from authorities with all

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Speaker 2: this going on, What exactly are we hearing from authorities

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Speaker 2: right now? All right, Robes, we continue here again a

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Speaker 2: major development and a major shift in I guess interpretation

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Speaker 2: of what's happening behind the scenes. We haven't gotten official word,

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Speaker 2: of course, not yet about the fate of Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: But we've been discussing this twenty two second video that

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Speaker 2: the family has now put out, Savannah Guthrie flanked by

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Speaker 2: her brother and sister, making a plea to the kidnappers

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Speaker 2: for the return of their mother.

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Speaker 1: But Robes, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it's what do you do, Rob, You call it

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Speaker 2: as you see it. It is what it is, and

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Speaker 2: we're all hearing the same thing, and we want to

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Speaker 2: hold on to hope that maybe this woman was going

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Speaker 2: to come home. But the family Rope the last part

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Speaker 2: been more crucial in saying it sounds like there's not

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Speaker 2: still a value and we'll pay for that. You I

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Speaker 2: was focused on some earlier things the first part of

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Speaker 3: I think this is very valuable to us and we

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Speaker 3: will pay. Well if you take the last two sentence,

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Speaker 3: this is the only way we will have peace. This

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Speaker 3: is very valuable to us, and we will pay. And

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Speaker 3: you know what, you see these three siblings holding hands,

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Speaker 3: there was a different energy about them.

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Speaker 4: There was a fear.

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Speaker 3: There were tears, there was passion, there was desperation. There

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Speaker 3: was a lot of emotion in that video. When you

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Speaker 3: them now this video, it seemed like.

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Speaker 4: Defeat. And they actually use the.

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Speaker 3: Word beg and that's exactly what this video came off

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Speaker 3: as three people begging for somebody to give them peace,

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Speaker 3: to give them closure, to give them their mother's remains back.

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Speaker 4: That is what this felt like. It did not feel

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Speaker 3: Like like please let us pay you. We want our

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Speaker 3: was none of that. This felt this tone felt very different.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: It also had the hashtag bring her home, and that

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Speaker 4: But this was just it felt very very different.

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Speaker 1: I mean it did, and it didn't you know what.

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Speaker 1: It did.

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Speaker 2: Also didn't feel urgent, right, It didn't feel like a

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Speaker 1: It didn't feel that way.

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Speaker 2: And yes, they went from desperation in the early ones

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Speaker 2: to almost resignation. And this one that we saw and

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Speaker 2: what was it? You have to ask that next thing?

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Speaker 2: What have they heard that got them here?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: They went yesterday from saying we want her home and

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Speaker 2: feel she's alive and haven't seen anything.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise talking to her.

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Speaker 2: What is it today then that they have learned that

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Speaker 3: You have to wonder it will the fact that it began,

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Speaker 3: how it began. We've been just dissecting this twenty two

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Speaker 3: your message, and we understand so they received something. Look,

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Speaker 3: we know that there was another message delivered to the

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Speaker 3: local affiliate there in Tucson, and we know that authorities

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Speaker 3: the gu three children's response comes from that message, but clearly,

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Speaker 3: if it was that message or another one, they received

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Speaker 1: This is.

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Speaker 2: We have someone communicating with a kidnapper over a ransom

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Speaker 2: via social media.

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Speaker 1: What is happening, folks? We wanted to hop on.

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Speaker 2: We didn't anticipate an update, certainly not of this kind,

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Speaker 2: and give you the quick update for what's happening. But folks,

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Speaker 2: we will keep our eye on this one. And hop

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Speaker 2: on again. We keep telling you. Top right corner of

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Speaker 2: get our updates coming right to you. But Robes, this

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Speaker 2: isn't one we saw coming.

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Speaker 3: No, this is this is this feels heartbreaking without knowing anything,

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Speaker 3: without confirming anything, it's just there's an energy, there's a tone.

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Speaker 3: There are the words that they carefully chose, and this

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Speaker 3: was a carefully chosen message, and it just right now,

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Speaker 3: it just feels it feels dark.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, folks, we will hop on with any

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Speaker 2: other significant updates and any other breaking news. We always

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Speaker 2: appreciate you going along with us. Here before my dear

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Speaker 2: Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holms, and we will talk to

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