1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame voter Armando Salgero and senior NFL writer 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: for OutKick dot Com. How did we get to this point, Armando? 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 3: Well, obviously, Bill Belichick has been away from the game 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 3: for a year, so he becomes eligible for consideration for 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a coach. He 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: went through the Coach committee and beat out such people as. 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 4: Holmgren and others. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: I presented him there and he got through to the 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: main selection committee, which consists of fifty folks media, former 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: NFL players and coaches. Tony Dungee is on the committee. 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 3: Dan Fouts is on the committee. Bill Pollian obviously is 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: on the committee, and we took a vote and we 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: found out found out yesterday that he hadn't made it. 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: He found out last Friday that he hadn't made it. 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 2: And I'm shocked you laughed when you mentioned Bill Pollian. Why. 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: I can't tell you. I know that Bill has gone 19 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: forward and backward on whether he voted for coach Belichick 20 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: or not. I think that speaks for yourself. 21 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: No, if you're you're. 22 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: Not sure that you did, you are one hundred percent 23 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: sure that you did, and then you're you don't remember. 24 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: Was there any talk in the room while you're presenting 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: the case for Bill Belichick that would lead you to 26 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: believe that we were going to have this end result. 27 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: So the way it works, Dan is I present, and 28 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: then there's the you know, discussion slash debate. And in 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: that discussion slash debate, there was definitely of signs that 30 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 3: this was going to be somewhat of. 31 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: An uphill battle. 32 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: There was one voter who said, out right, I'm not 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: voting for him and because of Spygate, and you know, 34 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: he gets his opinion, and. 35 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 4: There was others who brought up the one year thing, 36 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 4: just the. 37 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: Fact that he might come back and be a coach 38 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: again in the NFL after being selected to the Pro 39 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame. That is not an issue for 40 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and that was said 41 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: in the meeting, So I assume that that was not 42 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: the thing. 43 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 4: I think that Spygate was the factor that we're sitting 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 4: here today. 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: It's the reason that Bill Belichick is not a first 46 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Fame. 47 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: Can I be fair to the story the situation in 48 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: Belichick where I look at his career after Spygate. Could 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: I could I look at success after Spygate and maybe 50 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 2: split this up that if you you have something under 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: suspicion as we move into the second part of his career, 52 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer with what he did after 53 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: that one. 54 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: In fact, in my rebuttal, because you get the presenter 55 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: gets a presentation, everybody you know discusses, and then I. 56 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: Get the last word on Bill Belichick. 57 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: And in my rebuttal, I pointed out that Bill Belichick 58 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: had a higher winning percentage after Spygate than before. Bill 59 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: Belichick went to six conference championships, a record after Spygate. 60 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: Bill Belichick won three Super Bowls after Spygate. Spygate happened 61 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: on September seventh, two thousand and seven. On September eighth, 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, the New England Patriots hired a 63 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: compliance officer. And I've been told that that compliance officer, 64 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: who worked for the team through twoenty twenty five, her 65 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: sole purpose, she's a lawyer, was to make sure that 66 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: the Patriots complied with any every NFL rule to make 67 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 3: sure that this didn't repeat. And obviously we didn't have 68 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: another spygate after two thousand and seven, you. 69 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: Get a letter from Tom Brady, and I don't know 70 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: if you even thought you were going to have to 71 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: use the letter from Tom Brady? But how did you 72 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: get the letter? And then you you present that to 73 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: the voters by reading. 74 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: It correct And oh no, I knew that I was 75 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: going to use it, because if you're going to come 76 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: to a gunfight, you bring all of your ammunition. 77 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: That was part of it. When Tom Brady, who, let's 78 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 4: be honest and transparent. 79 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: There were rumors years ago that their relationship wasn't great, 80 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 3: that there was, you know, a little bit of a 81 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: separation there. Tom Brady gave the most full throated endorsement 82 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: of Bill Belichick that I've ever seen or read or 83 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 3: been associated with. So I thought that that would carry 84 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: weight in the room, and I read the whole thing 85 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: to the other selectors. 86 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 2: Do we know the number of voters who didn't vote 87 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: for Belichick? I know that you had to have at 88 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: least eleven. Was it exactly eleven? 89 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: I don't know the number. The Hall of Fame would know, 90 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 3: and they're not telling. So there's that we don't know 91 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: as selectors who did and who did not because the 92 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: selection process is done electronically, and nobody is sharing their 93 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: ballot obviously, so there's only guesses based on what was 94 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: said in the room. 95 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: Should your vote be made public? Well? 96 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 3: So, I wrote a column at alkick dot com last 97 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: night saying that at the minimum, the people, the minority 98 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: of selectors who declined to vote for Bill Belichick, they 99 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: should speak up and say why, because a majority of 100 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: the selectors did vote for Bill Belichick. And now we're 101 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 3: all under that umbrella of you know, embarrassment. We're all 102 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: we're like beagles that just went to the vet wearing 103 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: this cone of embarrassment around our neck. 104 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: We didn't vote for. 105 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, and I don't want to be a beagle 106 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: wearing a car of embarrassment. 107 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 4: I voted for Bill Belichick and I know him. 108 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 5: Majority did. 109 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: Let the minority who didn't explain themselves if they wish. 110 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: Okay, then what happens to Tom Brady when he's eligible? 111 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 3: That's an interesting question because if you're gonna ding Bill 112 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: Belichick for spygate, are you going to ding Tom Brady 113 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: for the flate gate? 114 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: Have you been in contact with Brady since this announcement? 115 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 5: I have non? 116 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: Okay, Armando, thank you We appreciate you joining us, all right, 117 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: Dan Pleasure, Armando Salgero. 118 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 119 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: Patrick Show week days at nine am Eastern six am 120 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 121 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 6: Hey, it's Ben, host of a Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. 122 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 6: Would mean a lot to have you joined us on 123 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 6: our weekly auditory journey. 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Hey, g here, Bill Belichick's not getting in 134 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, Dominique. 135 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 7: I didn't realize how lucky the Bills are today that 136 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 7: we're not dissecting the decision that. 137 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 8: They made to. 138 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 7: Essentially promote everybody except for the coach and sending them 139 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 7: back in. And also, I guess the Steelers are dodging 140 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 7: a little bit of hell today. Also, but yeah, Bill 141 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 7: Belichick didn't get in, and people are mad. Jimmy Johnson 142 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 7: caught everybody a holes and that started telling They started 143 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 7: telling on everyone else. 144 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 8: Tea scandal. Did you see that tweet? 145 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: I did not. 146 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 7: Oh, I've been looking up and read it to you. 147 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: Why didn't Bill Belichick get in first time? First ballot? 148 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 8: I mean, none of the explanations seem like good. 149 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 7: The only good explanation is one that hasn't really been 150 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 7: presented yet is he's still kind of a professional coach, 151 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 7: and like, I don't have any opposition to putting guys 152 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 7: in while they're still active, but that's traditionally not something 153 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 7: you can do. You have to be one year removed 154 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 7: or for players, five years removed from having played. He's 155 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 7: coaching college now, which like he's getting paid a lot 156 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 7: of money to run a program. So I guess you 157 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 7: could make the argument that he and he might come 158 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,359 Speaker 7: back to the NFL. And we've seen like Mike Shanahan's 159 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 7: a coach who I think is like the father of 160 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 7: most of modern NFL offenses, and he still hasn't gotten 161 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 7: in yet, in part I think because they want to 162 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 7: wait until coaches are fully retired. But that's not the 163 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 7: excuse that's been brought up. It's this spygate stuff and 164 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 7: it's explanations for how convoluted the process is. Those are 165 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 7: really bad excuses for a guy who won six Super 166 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 7: Bowls as head coach too as an assistant coach and 167 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 7: kind of like ushered in the generation of like flexible 168 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 7: edge rushers. 169 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 8: So yeah, it's it's baffling. 170 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: Okay, which this mean for Tom Brady? 171 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 8: Nothing? 172 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 7: No, Like Bill Belichick has just actively been his or 173 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 7: essentially been his fullback. 174 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 8: Nobody's gonna do that to Tom Brady. 175 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 7: And I also think Tom Brady has done a better 176 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 7: job with relationships than Bill Belichick. And that's one of 177 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 7: the things that we haven't focused on. And this very 178 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 7: much that a lot of the voting is about relationships, 179 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 7: and different teams will promote different guys, and if you 180 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 7: like somebody, you're gonna be more prone to vote for him. 181 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 7: Like I think that Tom Brady has done an excellent 182 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 7: job of promoting those relationships. 183 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 8: He's a part. 184 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 7: Owner of a team in the lead broadcaster on one 185 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 7: of the biggest partners, Like I don't think Tom Brady's 186 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 7: gonna have nearly as much of a as much trouble 187 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 7: getting into the Hall of Fame as it seems like 188 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 7: Bill Belichick is. 189 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: Okay, why isn't Robert crafton the Hall of Fame? 190 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 8: Yeah? 191 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 7: Again, I think it's about relationships, and it's the game 192 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 7: of thrones. Behind the scenes is sometimes more interesting, as 193 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 7: I mean, Don Van Nada and Steph Wickersham has made 194 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 7: careers out of exposing some of that stuff that is 195 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 7: so much more interesting in some cases than what's actually 196 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 7: happening on the field. 197 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 8: And I think that speaks to it. 198 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 7: Older guys, I think you get a little bit more 199 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 7: sympathy than more likely to put you in. 200 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 8: But I think often there are. 201 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 7: People and we've heard about some of the rivalries that 202 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 7: Robert Craft has had in the league and some of 203 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 7: the issues, and that might bleed into we saw that 204 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 7: documentary that he put out, that might bleed into some 205 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 7: of the opinion of Bill Belichick. I think all this 206 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 7: stuff matters, but people, I mean, it is nice to 207 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 7: have all of America agree on election, right it's kind 208 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 7: of cool. 209 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: Remember what that was like, Yeah, long time ago. 210 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 8: It was wonderful. 211 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: Joe Brady got promoted. Yeah, I said last hour, I 212 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: thought this was uninspiring. If you're gonna change, and you're 213 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: going to change by firing your head coach, I don't 214 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: know if you can keep your GM and promote your 215 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: offenship coordinator without sort of being the shame team next year. 216 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, I like to. 217 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 8: It's often easy just to be like that was dumb. 218 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 8: I like to extend some like. 219 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 7: Assumed strategy and intelligence to the owners and people who 220 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 7: run the teams. Terry Pagoula when he did that press conference, 221 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 7: made it really hard to continue to assume some sort 222 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 7: of strategy and intelligence. But I think if you without 223 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 7: them having said this, if you're trying to look for 224 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 7: a logical reason why they did this, it's because of 225 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 7: Liam Cohen. 226 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 8: Like that's the reason. Honestly. 227 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 7: It's like you have a good coach on your staff, 228 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 7: with which the Bucks had, and you let him leave, 229 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 7: and it's something that's happened a bunch of times. The 230 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 7: Ravens are a good example of that. Also, Mike McDonald 231 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 7: was on the staff. You let him leave, he goes 232 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 7: to become a head coach and maybe one of the 233 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 7: best coaches in the league at Seattle, and then you 234 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 7: fire your coach the next year. Like, that's the only 235 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 7: thing that possibly makes sense. That they were seeing Brady 236 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 7: as someone who was gaining a lot of attention and 237 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 7: sooner or later they were going to lose to some 238 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 7: other organization. And while they did present a bunch of 239 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 7: other reasons for why they made the decision that they made, 240 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 7: if you look at the collection of all the decisions 241 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 7: that they made and where they ended up, that's the 242 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 7: only thing that makes sense. Either that or they really 243 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 7: think Sean mcdemmert was so bad of a coach he's 244 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 7: the one loan piece that is holding them back, which 245 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 7: is absurd when you also listen to the owner say 246 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 7: that the only reason why they. 247 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 8: Lost is because of bad call. 248 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 7: So, yeah, the only thing it makes sense is they 249 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 7: loved Joe Brady and they didn't want to lose him 250 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 7: to some other team. 251 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy going back home emotional. This isn't a typical 252 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: hire for the Steelers, but he does help. He develops quarterbacks, 253 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: and he can elevate an offense that's been a bottom 254 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: feeder for almost a decade. Now, I know, we look 255 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: at his age, they like to get that thirty five 256 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: year old defensive coordinator. Your thought on Mike McCarthy, Yeah, I. 257 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 7: Mean I think there's some incongruent thoughts in that one also, 258 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 7: where it's like, we hired a coach who we believe 259 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 7: is good at developing quarterbacks, but this coach seems to 260 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 7: want a fully developed quarterback to return, which Aaron Rodgers 261 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 7: is so like, that's the part that doesn't make sense 262 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 7: is if and maybe he's just saying that because he 263 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 7: has to say it, But if this team is serious 264 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 7: about turning the page at some point, I think they're 265 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 7: gonna have to move on from this band aid situation 266 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 7: that they've been doing for the quarterback position. They're gonna 267 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 7: have to start using draft picks and signing free agents. 268 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 7: I don't think Mike McCarthy is a bad hire, Obviously, 269 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 7: it's a kind of an uninspired hire. But what it 270 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 7: suggests to me is something that Mike Tomlin actually did 271 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 7: surprise them with this. 272 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 8: It felt like to me, like there's no way that he. 273 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 7: Could be there for as long as he has and 274 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 7: not have hinted towards the ownership that this might be 275 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 7: my last year, but it seems like the way they 276 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 7: reacted to it, he was really shocked. 277 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: Talking to you, a Dominic Fox of the Mothership former 278 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: NFL Cornerback and Next Thursday, February fifth, from six to 279 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: seven thirty Pacific, the Dominique Foxworth in Friends Live at 280 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: the strand look at You. 281 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, having fun out in San Francisco for a live pod. 282 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 7: Mina Kimes will be there, Marcus Spears and Kevin Clark, 283 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 7: all the proseeds. They're going to go to the Special Olympics. 284 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 7: So please do Fox Surf Podlive dot com. Get on there, 285 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 7: buy some tickets. 286 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos firing coaches yesterday kind of quietly because 287 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: we're still trying to digest the fourth and one call. 288 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: And now Sean comes out and says, hey, I would 289 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: have gone for it. I would have called a better 290 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: play paraphrasing I mean, you won fourteen games, and now 291 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: you're like they had an excuse with Bonnix. They probably 292 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: win that game and you'd be in the super Bowl. 293 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: But like, are these jobs that tenuous? That's like we lost, 294 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: You're going, yeah, Champagne. 295 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 7: Is a powerful guy and he's never been shy about 296 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 7: making these type of decisions. I think that there's one 297 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 7: way to look at this where you're like, hey, we 298 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 7: can always get better. That's commendable that there are going 299 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 7: to be aggressive because you look back at their season, 300 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 7: as good as their season was, as a lot of 301 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 7: single score games, and while you could walk away and 302 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 7: be and feel good at scapegoating the injury to your 303 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 7: quarterback in the weather, I think that whatever happened, obviously 304 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 7: there's a longer track record. I don't think the result 305 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 7: of the season is why they made that decision. And 306 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 7: then you can look at the Jets too, which also 307 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 7: did some cheerious things that at some point someone's got. 308 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: To any coaches aside from Aaron Glenn. 309 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 7: I again talk about strategy, and I said at the 310 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 7: beginning is like I like to extend the assumption that 311 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 7: these owners are at least reasonably intelligent and making some 312 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 7: sort of plan. It's so hard to put together the 313 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 7: last decade of decisions by the Jets and fine like 314 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 7: a through line of a strategy or some belief like 315 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 7: they had a bad season they gave up on it 316 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 7: midway through and then somehow held every coach but the 317 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 7: head coach accountable for a season that they obviously gave 318 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 7: up on. Like, I don't know what's happening in that building, 319 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 7: so it's hard for me to project, but I know 320 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 7: it's ugly. And if I was a fan, I mean, 321 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 7: I guess they probably lost Hope a long time ago. 322 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 8: Pretty pissed. 323 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: Cleveland needs a coach, Vegas needs a coach, Arizona needs 324 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: a coach. Yeah, you want to fill those voyage? Is 325 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: somebody coaching in the Super Bowl who might get one 326 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: or two of those jobs? 327 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, it feels like all of those jobs, right, That's 328 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 7: the only way that it feels like. 329 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: That. 330 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 7: Otherwise they've been getting rejected by people that they want, right, 331 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 7: and that makes it look even worse. These jobs are 332 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 7: few and far between. For people not to take that 333 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 7: opportunity is surprising to me. And we saw Mike mc 334 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 7: Mike mcdiant, no McDaniel, Yeah, McDaniel from Miami. We saw 335 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 7: him go to the Chargers, which like that opportunity to 336 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 7: seem great. But my assumption is he could have gotten 337 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 7: one of these other jobs, and maybe he didn't want it, 338 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 7: but given how he dresses, I feel like he's going 339 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 7: Miami to La next. At some point, man gotta go 340 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 7: to Vegas, right Like, I feel like there's only other 341 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 7: place that Miami, La Vegas, only other place that he 342 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 7: can go. 343 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: Does anybody want the Browns job? I mean it feels 344 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: like they, you know, they might just say to Jim Schwartz, 345 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: we're gonna hire you because we don't want to be 346 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: rejected anymore. 347 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 7: That's a bad way to go about hiring a coach, 348 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 7: but it might turn It might work out. He's a 349 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 7: guy with experience in that team, obviously respects the defense 350 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 7: has been great all the way through, but you can 351 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 7: expect if they take him off of the defense and 352 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 7: make him a head coach, is possible the defense could 353 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 7: make take a step back. The thing about the Browns 354 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 7: job is on paper when you look at the way 355 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 7: like I one of the reasons why I think the 356 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 7: Ravens job is attractive because you have a front office 357 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 7: that you know consistently will give you quality talent. The 358 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 7: Browns have done a pretty good job of building up 359 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 7: this roster. I think you can point to the major decision, 360 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 7: which was an ownership decision to bring in Deshaun Watson 361 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 7: as a terrible one. But like other than that, they've 362 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 7: done above average in their drafts and decision making, so 363 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 7: it's not that bad of a job. The organization isn't 364 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 7: as poorly run as the results seem to suggest from 365 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 7: what I understand. But it's still the Browns and there's 366 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 7: still the benefit of having a low bar, but also 367 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 7: the challenge of there's really no culture to speak of, 368 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 7: and people will turn on you immediately because they assume 369 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 7: that it's the same old Browns. There's no like faith 370 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 7: in the same way that you would have with the Steelers. 371 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 7: No one has that for the Browns. 372 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: What about Arizona, Yeah. 373 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 7: That one is another situation where the complaint that I've 374 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 7: heard from candidates about the Arizona situation is commitment from 375 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 7: the ownership. And that's always a big question, is what 376 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 7: the ownership is going to do for an organization or 377 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 7: it's going to do for a coach to support them, 378 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 7: And that's something it's been hanging over that organization. So 379 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 7: someone will take that job. There there are some jobs 380 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 7: that aren't A level jobs, and it feels like the 381 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 7: Bengals fall into that category. Despite the fact that they 382 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 7: have a quarterback, and the Cardinals, one of the oldest 383 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 7: franchises in football, also feel like one of those organizations 384 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 7: that doesn't feel. 385 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 8: Like an A level job. 386 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: I was just wondering about this and may be crazy 387 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: and off topic here, but say Matthew Stafford decides she's 388 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: going to retire the Rams. You got two first round picks. 389 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: Do you reach out to the Bengals? 390 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 8: What do you think? 391 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, reach out to the Bengals and and offer those 392 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 7: picks for their quarterback. Yeah, it's gonna take more than that. 393 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: That's the starter. That's the starter. 394 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, okay, okay, Yeah, you can throw it at them, 395 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 7: but I'm hanging up the phone. If the Angles and 396 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 7: you reach out for Joe Burrow for that, like I think, 397 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 7: for Joe Burrow to move, it's going to require him 398 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 7: to force his way out, which is not a very 399 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 7: un football it's a very NBA style behavior. You rarely 400 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 7: see football players force their way out, especially quarterbacks. But 401 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 7: I can't imagine that there's enough compensation where it would 402 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 7: not be received the way that Luca Daunton's. 403 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 2: Trade was received. 404 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 7: If anyone moves on from their top level quarterback who's 405 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 7: still in their prime when quarterbacks are playing for twenty years. 406 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 7: I know Burrow's been injured a lot, but moving on 407 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 7: from your quarterback, you will lose everybody because you are 408 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 7: then acquiring a bunch of draft picks in hopes that 409 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 7: you can find someone nearly as good as Joe Burrow. 410 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: But you get him on a rookie deal that it 411 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: felt like there was a disconnect between him and front 412 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: office not happy. So I don't know, I just throw 413 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: it at It's the dream. 414 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 7: It's the dream like herschel Walker trade situation where you 415 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 7: can find you can set yourself up for a dynasty 416 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 7: if you move on from a super talented player at 417 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 7: the right time. 418 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: Like I get the idea, but it better work, Dominic, 419 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: thank you for joining. 420 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 8: Us, No problem, precid you Dan. 421 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: That's Dominic Foxworth. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports 422 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows 423 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: at foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 424 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: Search FSR to listen live. 425 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: Here's a tweet from Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famer 426 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson, I would like to know the names of 427 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: those bleepholes who did not vote for Bill Belichick. They 428 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: are too cowardly to identify themselves. Goes on to say, 429 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: let's see, as a Hall of Fame coach, I think 430 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: Bill Belichick is the greatest of all time. Yes, he 431 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: had a great quarterback, but we all did. He won 432 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: after the salary cap and free agency. Plus I know 433 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: how much he loves the NFL and the game. I 434 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: am pode bringing South Pallantonio, Hall of Fame voter, ESPN 435 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: National correspondent. How did we get to this point? 436 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 5: Sal Pretty shocking, Dad, Pretty shocking. I think it's a 437 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 5: matter of procedure, as it is a matter of the 438 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 5: voter's decisions, you know, by the by laws of the 439 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. I can't talk to you about the process. 440 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 5: I can just tell you what I did and what 441 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 5: I considered. I voted for Bill Belichick as a first 442 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 5: ballot Hall of Famer. I supported him as a first 443 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 5: ballot Hall of Famer. Of course, you know, when you're 444 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 5: in this process, you do your due diligence for all 445 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 5: of the candidates, because hey, that's your job, and b 446 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 5: this is their legacy and you want to make sure 447 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 5: you get it right. So I take it really seriously, 448 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 5: and of course I considered spygate. I considered whether he 449 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 5: was going to come back into the NFL. I considered 450 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 5: whether it was more Brady than Belichick. All of those 451 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 5: things went into my thinking. But in the end, Dan 452 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 5: I decided that his credentials and his accomplishments outweighed all 453 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 5: of those things, making him a first ballot Hall of Famer. Now, 454 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 5: the procedure part is a little idiosyncratic because we had 455 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 5: two votes. The first one was we had three seniors 456 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 5: Else Greenwood, Roger Craig, and Ken Anderson. They were the finalists, 457 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 5: and then Bob Kraft is the contributor, and then Bill Belichick, 458 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 5: and we were asked to vote for three of the five. 459 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 5: And in the end, according to the reporting, I'm not 460 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 5: going to give away what I know about the vote. 461 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 5: I don't really know much about the class. We're not 462 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 5: told supposed to come out at the honor ceremony next Thursday. 463 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 5: Belichick didn't get the required votes. Whether that was members 464 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 5: of the committee saying, you know what, I'm going to 465 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 5: vote for my guy or for somebody else, because I 466 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 5: know Belichick's going to get the required votes. I'm not 467 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 5: going to waste my vote on Bill Belichick. And you 468 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 5: know I hope that's not what people were thinking. I 469 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 5: don't know, but you have to ask somebody who voted 470 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 5: who didn't vote for him, because I voted for him. 471 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know if anybody's going to make 472 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 2: that public. 473 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 5: No, probably not. 474 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: Should we make it public? 475 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 5: We should make everything public. We live it. Then they 476 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 5: have cameras in the courtroom. You have cameras everywhere, and 477 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 5: I think you know, some people say, well, that will 478 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 5: chill the debate. No, I think that will concentrate and 479 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 5: focus the debate in the room. Do you have cameras 480 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 5: in the room and bo, by the way, sell it 481 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 5: what I've always said. I mean, come on, you could 482 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 5: have a spot. Who wouldn't watch the Hall of Fame debate? 483 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: Well, this is what I've said for years. Put it 484 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: on NFL network. 485 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 6: Yeah. 486 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: Have it started ten in the morning and go to 487 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: six at night and it's like seean c SPAN's not 488 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: very exciting, but there are moments that it is, and 489 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: they're voting on some really serious stuff. I would love 490 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: to have a little more transparency, and I would hope 491 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 2: that those who didn't vote for Bill can at least 492 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: explain why you didn't and if you say Spygate, I'm 493 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: fine with that. If you say that to flate Gate, 494 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. But I don't think you can 495 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: look at Bill's resume and say he's not a first 496 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Famer unless you're factoring in something that 497 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 2: we don't know. And I was told the same thing 498 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: you were, and that is is Bill coming back to 499 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 2: the NFL. Don't want to have somebody in the Hall 500 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: of Fame who's still an active coach. And whether that's 501 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 2: true or not, but I'm just kind of surprised. Then Jimmy, 502 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson calling those who didn't vote for Bill cowards. Yeah, 503 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: pretty hard. 504 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 5: Let's let's tone down the rhetoric there. I don't think 505 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 5: that that's the case. I think it's important. Let's look 506 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 5: at the philosophy of what you just laid out. You 507 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 5: and I are in agreement. I believe in the First Amendment. 508 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 5: I believe in the Sunshine Law in Florida, all public records, 509 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 5: public cameras in the courtroom. We want to hold public 510 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 5: officials accountable, certainly don't want to hold Hall of famers accountable. 511 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 5: And the best way to do that, Hey, now you've 512 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 5: got to put a suit and a tie on, and 513 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 5: you're in the meeting and you have to make your case. 514 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 5: And I wouldn't. I would say it's not like c 515 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 5: SPAN because I've been in that room. It's more like 516 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 5: Prime Minister's question Time. If you've ever seen that. You 517 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 5: make your case and then people shout a moment and 518 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 5: scream again. You know, they come right back at you, 519 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 5: my right, honorable friend. And although I love watching Prime 520 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 5: Ministers Question Time because it's a lot of fun and 521 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 5: it's interesting to be but that's philosophically and procedurally. But 522 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 5: I'm a big believer Dan in doing what it takes 523 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 5: to put people in the Hall of Fame, not keep 524 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 5: them out. So I think that we should have a 525 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 5: coach every year, separate category up or down. Because you 526 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 5: got Belichick waiting, Coughlin waiting, Shanahan waiting, Homegun waiting, Andy 527 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 5: Reid is going to be in the queue. That's five guys. 528 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 5: Bob Kraft has waited way, way, way too long. I 529 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 5: was his presenter for three years and talk about debate 530 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 5: h and Bob Kraft's waited too long. Adam Vinitari and 531 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 5: other special teams guys should get in maybe once every 532 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 5: three years or five years. How about Sean Landetta has 533 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 5: been on two two All decade teams, Vinetary, Steve Tasker. 534 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 5: These guys should be in. The assistant coaches Tom Moore, 535 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 5: Manti Kiffin, Ben Uh, I'm thinking of the old Eagles 536 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 5: defensive coordinator Carson Jim Johnson only got of course an 537 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 5: excuse me, thank again. All these guys should have a 538 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 5: chance to go into the Hall of Fame. Maybe it's 539 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 5: a separate wing, separate category, but I'm for putting guys in, 540 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 5: not keeping them out. 541 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's this backlog now because these other coaches 542 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: now they get pushed back another year. I don't know 543 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: if Ken Anderson or Elsie Green, would Roger Craig get him? 544 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: And you know, somebody voted told me this morning, we 545 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: have to go back to what it was, you know 546 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. If you get down to five, 547 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: sal five should go in, not get down to five, 548 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: and then we're going to vote for three to go in, 549 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 2: and you got to get eighty percent. I don't just 550 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: feels like there are guys. If I say Luke Keekley 551 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, you go yes, correct. Adam Viniti Hall 552 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: of Famer yes, it's we get caught up in procedural 553 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: instead of what the goal is is to celebrate the 554 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: game with guys. We know our Hall of famers. Gerald's 555 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: going to get in probably his first ballot. That means 556 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: Tory Holt and Reggie Wayne are not going to get in. 557 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: But this backlog is what concerns me as we move forward. 558 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: And I agree with you. If you want to have 559 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: a coaching category and you want to have just players 560 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 2: and then you have a contributor, that's fine. But you know, 561 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: I thought it was just a bad day for the 562 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame yesterday. 563 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 5: Well, you know it's it's great when Bill Belichick can 564 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 5: lead to Refort. 565 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: Did he have a good day yesterday? 566 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 5: Bill Belichick? Yeah, Well, I mean, you know, I'm sure 567 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 5: that he did personally, but you know, I'm talking about 568 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 5: national It's a reminder his legacy is not tarnished, okay 569 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,719 Speaker 5: by this. And here's what I would like people to understand. 570 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 5: The Hall of Fame is not tarnished by this. Bill 571 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 5: Belichick's legacy, he's not tarnished by this. Whoever gets in 572 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 5: this year should not be tarnished by the fact that 573 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 5: Bill Belichick did not get in. Those are all mutually 574 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 5: exclusive things. I think that it can lead to change 575 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 5: and that will be good for sure. But you know, 576 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 5: it's it's it's gonna be okay, Dan, We're gonna we're 577 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 5: gonna figure this out. 578 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: South pal Antonio, ESPN National correspondent. He was in Denver 579 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: covering the AFC title game. Sean Payton firing a few 580 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: coaches there, and I don't know if he's budging too 581 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: much on going forward on fourth and one. I think 582 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: he said, I'd still go for it, but I would 583 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 2: change the play. 584 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 5: Listen, he should have gone. He should have kicked the 585 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 5: field goal. Even you know a lot of the metrics 586 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 5: say he should have kicked the field goal. If you 587 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 5: could have seen me in the press box when he 588 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 5: lined up the go for it on fourth and one, 589 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 5: you you wouldn't want to be sitting next to me. 590 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 5: I mean, I was like banging the table. You gotta 591 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 5: be kidding me. Take the points. A. You gotta take 592 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 5: the points in the first quarter in the championship game. B. 593 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 5: If you have a backup quarterback, you're playing. Points are 594 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 5: at a premium. See, everybody in the world knew about 595 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 5: the forecast. I was talking about it on countdown at 596 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 5: eleven o'clock in the morning. Major snowstorm coming in is 597 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 5: gonna change the dynamics of the game. Points are gonna 598 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 5: be at a premium. It's got to kick the field goal, 599 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 5: but that should not take anything away from New England. 600 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 5: So I'm really impressed with New England's front four, front seven. 601 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 5: Zach Kerr, the guy calling the plays, the inside linebackers 602 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 5: coach who I call Baby Vrabel, was an intern at 603 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 5: Ohio State, went with Mike to Tennessee. He outsmarted Sean 604 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 5: Payton on that play. You saw what he did. That 605 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 5: dynamics six man front played zone behind it, boy oh boy. 606 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 5: And he's got Milton Williams who played in Philly in 607 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 5: that defense a year ago that blew up Patrick Mahomes. 608 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 5: Don't count out that Patriots defense. Over overlooked and underrated. 609 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 5: They come after the quarterback with relentless energy and they 610 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 5: I know everybody's talking about, well, you can't leave Gonzalez 611 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 5: or Carlton Davis alone with these receivers. Well the Eagles 612 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 5: did that last year. So I'm just saying, don't sleep 613 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 5: on that Pats defense at all. 614 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 2: The Browns have hired Todd Munkin as their new head coach. 615 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: So you know what that means, Dan, somebody had to 616 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: take the job. 617 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 5: That means the outfensive coordinator job is open in Philly, 618 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 5: the Jets and the Giants. That means I'm firing up 619 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 5: the easy Pass, Dan, I'm getting on the turnpike an 620 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 5: exit force. I mean, then I'm gonna make a left 621 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 5: at seven eight, go over to Madison to the Jets 622 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 5: at Florham Park. Then I can go up. I mean, 623 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 5: I'm going to be in the Easy Pass Hall of Fame. 624 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: Dan, What are the Jets doing, by the way they 625 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 2: fired all their coaches? 626 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 5: Yeah? Uh, then we could spend the whole segment on 627 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 5: the Jets. We could probably spend a whole week on 628 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 5: the Jets. And I don't think and I try not 629 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 5: to be facetious, because this is These are men's lives 630 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 5: and families lives, and it's hard where these guys have 631 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 5: to move on and move their children into a new school. 632 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 5: It's very difficult. But they got it. They gotta somehow 633 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 5: get it figured out, because I mean, Aaron Glenn really 634 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 5: does he have one more year to figure it out? 635 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 2: Dan? 636 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 5: Probably probably one more year maybe, but it's not his 637 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 5: fault because they didn't give him a quarterback. And you 638 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 5: it's the same way with Tom. And why did my 639 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 5: Tom Will walk away in Pittsburgh? Well, look at the 640 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 5: quarterbacks he had to work with since pen Roethlisberg a retired. 641 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 5: Look at Cleveland. The front office and the ownership made 642 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 5: so many mistakes with the quarterback position. And you have 643 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 5: a revolving door at the coaching's death, and who wants 644 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 5: to go work there? So you look at all these situations, 645 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 5: and I'm a big believer in two things. When you 646 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 5: hire a head coach, One is he a culture changer? 647 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 5: And two kenny coach the quarterback or does he have 648 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 5: somebody who can do that? Those are the two main ingredients. 649 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 5: So you look at Sean Payton. You got two for 650 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 5: one with Sean Payton. He could do both jobs. He 651 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 5: certainly changed the culture and he coaches the quarterback and 652 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 5: did a remarkable job. You look at on the other 653 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 5: side in the AFC Championship game, Mike Rabel culture changer, 654 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 5: but he hired the right guy to handle the quarterback 655 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 5: in Josh McDaniels. I love to watch McDaniel's coach. He 656 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 5: greets the quarterback. When he comes off the field at 657 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 5: the sideline, they sit next to one another on the bench, 658 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 5: him and Drake May. They look at the tablet. This 659 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 5: is what went right, this is what went wrong, this 660 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 5: is what you gotta do next. And his design is 661 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 5: complex enough but also simple enough for a young quarterback 662 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 5: to execute and to foil pretty much any defense you 663 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 5: come against. And by the way, how about Drake May 664 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 5: ran for six of the Patriots twelve first downs in 665 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 5: that game. 666 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 2: He better be their leading rusher in the Super Bowl 667 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 2: because there's yards out there. He could have gotten yards 668 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 2: against Denver. I thought, I thought that he could have 669 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 2: taken advantage of that. He could have been Josh Allen 670 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: like or maybe light against Denver. 671 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 5: Is that the Dan Patrick special prop bet of the 672 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 5: week right there? 673 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: Well, I don't gamble, but I don't, but I would 674 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 2: I would be curious what is over under rushing total 675 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 2: is because I there were yards out there to get 676 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 2: and it just felt like, you know, they kept just 677 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 2: forcing you know, a running play up the middle and 678 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: not gaining much. Or even when he went back to pass, 679 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 2: I just thought he could have you know, taken off 680 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 2: and run. I'd like to see a little bit more 681 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: and against that Seattle defense probably gonna have to do that. 682 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 5: I got a guy in South Philly for you, do 683 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 5: you gamble at all? Zero plus? It's against Disney policy, 684 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 5: but we're allowed to talk about gambling content. That's the 685 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 5: church and state of it. You know. We can talk 686 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 5: about gambling content, but I don't gamble. I like to 687 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 5: take all my money, Dan and give it to my grandchildren. 688 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 5: That's all I do. 689 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 2: Well. I like that you're the poster child for not 690 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 2: gambling at the Mothership, but you're probably in the minority. 691 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 2: Just just letting you know. 692 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 5: How I stay there. 693 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 2: Thank you so South Calantonio.