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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. So it's off season for me. Got some

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Speaker 1: time at home, and one of the cool things about

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Speaker 1: not being on the road is I get to be

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Speaker 1: back at the Floridian with my team and Ryan Krysler

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Speaker 1: I've had on the pod before. Ryan and I've been

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Speaker 1: working together really since two thousand and five, and he's

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Speaker 1: just such a valuable member of my team. He's a mentor,

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Speaker 1: he's a confidant, he's a friend, and so when I'm home,

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Speaker 1: I get to spend time around him and Matt Galan,

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Speaker 1: who I work with, who I had on the pod recently,

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Speaker 1: and they really do kind of help recharge me and

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Speaker 1: kind of give me kind of a boost because at

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Speaker 1: times I can just be NonStop with the travel, just

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Speaker 1: trying to get through, you know, my schedule away from

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Speaker 1: work with tour players. And so I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: Ryan back on this week because you know, he sits

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Speaker 1: cross for me in the office and we throw ideas

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Speaker 1: out at each other, and he came up with a

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Speaker 1: really great idea about a game that he wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about. So I thought I'd be really good to

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Speaker 1: get him back on. And you know, my goal, all

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Speaker 1: of our goals is just to help players play better,

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Speaker 1: learn how to play a game that really is kind

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Speaker 1: of simple, learn how to play it better. And I

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Speaker 1: think this is a really good opportunity to listen to

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Speaker 1: someone who's come up with a really cool game that

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Speaker 1: can help you lower your scores. All right, Ryan, So,

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Speaker 1: whenever I think about trying to come up with topics

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Speaker 1: and content for the podcast, it's always from a space

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Speaker 1: of trying to figure out real world stuff that players

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Speaker 1: can work on. And so you and I talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about different the difference between practicing and playing technique

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Speaker 1: versus execution. That's kind of a theme. If you've listened

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Speaker 1: to the podcast before, you know that's a theme that's

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Speaker 1: hugely important to me. I know it's a theme that's

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Speaker 1: that's really important to you. So the difference between practicing

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Speaker 1: golf and playing golf, in your opinion.

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Speaker 2: Is what, Well, it's completely separate games, if you will.

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Speaker 2: If you're practicing golf, you're possibly working on some sort

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Speaker 2: of technique situation. You're working on, maybe yarders, controlled wedges,

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Speaker 2: certain window, whatever it may be. It's primarily something technical.

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Speaker 2: We're target based, and when you're playing golf, man, we're

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Speaker 2: just trying to solve the hole. We're trying to get

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Speaker 2: apart or Bertie and just get the heck out of there,

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Speaker 2: not really working on mechanics, working on maybe process and

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Speaker 2: routine and visualization things like that. But it's completely different

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Speaker 2: from the typical practice session, if you will.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of players, you and I

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Speaker 1: talk about this a lot. I've talked about it on

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Speaker 1: the pod as well. Yeah, there's two buckets, right, there's

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Speaker 1: the practice, the technique bucket, there's the performance. There's the

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Speaker 1: execution bucket. And I think so many players are just

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Speaker 1: stuck constantly. It's like eighty twenty ninety ten in technique, technique, technique,

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Speaker 1: bad round, Get me back to the range, back to

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Speaker 1: the range. I'm going to play golf today, nine or

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Speaker 1: eighteen holes. Right, I'm going to go to the golf course.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to practice for Cheo de Far. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I see so many of our juniors do that. Right,

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Speaker 1: Every practice session, every warm up is a practice session, right,

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Speaker 1: They're getting ready to go play golf. So they want

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Speaker 1: get to the golf course at eight o'clock practice, go

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Speaker 1: it's next to impossible to take the four hours, three hours,

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Speaker 1: bridging that gap between technique and execution. On the execution side,

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Speaker 1: it's a really cool game. Ogie proof blueprint game. All right,

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Speaker 1: what is it? Talk me through it?

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Speaker 2: Well, Ideally, when you're playing golf, you're out there chasing course,

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Speaker 2: and the concept behind this game is avoiding bogies at

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Speaker 2: And the concept basically is you get eighteen holes or

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Speaker 1: It's a W, so you've won the whole W. So

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Speaker 1: it's like a match play. If it's par or better,

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Speaker 1: you're playing against yourself, right, So the only object on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the great thing about this

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Speaker 1: to improve their handicap is to make more bogies, more bogies. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what we constantly talk about is bogie avoidance. Yes. But

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Speaker 1: He's now a junior at the University of Florida. Played

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Speaker 1: a tournament last week. Aaron Hills finished top fifteen, he

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Speaker 1: Four to three puts, two four putts and then a

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's no stories.

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Speaker 1: So there's no stories, and invariably we go through this

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Speaker 1: Noah Kent's situation, he makes a ten. I call him

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Speaker 1: it takes an all places. Whenever you make a double

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Speaker 2: Like a little self defense mechanism too. You know, I

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Speaker 2: blame it on my bad lie. I was plugged in

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Speaker 1: So if the goal is on every single hole, horror,

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Speaker 2: But we're cracking the code on scoring, right, so we're

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Speaker 2: gonna eliminate scoring, So we don't care as a coach

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Speaker 2: if it's sixty five or seventy five. I'm looking for

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Speaker 2: a fourteen and four record right with this game, the

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Speaker 2: Bogie Blueprint game. That's gonna explain a lot, and the

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Speaker 2: mindset would be, you know, instead of you know, how

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Speaker 2: I going to carry this bunker? You're going to really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think what you said there is quite interesting,

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Speaker 1: this idea behind score chasing on the golf course where

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Speaker 1: barriers one hundred and ninety eighty break par for the

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Speaker 1: first rye there is a number. It's number centric, right,

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Speaker 1: You've got a number in mind. What am I going

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Speaker 1: to try and break eighty for the first time? And

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Speaker 1: then as soon as you get behind the eight ball,

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Speaker 1: calculations then become you know, like I always said, most golfers,

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Speaker 1: regardless of their handicap, you know, to me playing golf,

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Speaker 1: you're in that higher handicap range, trying to break one hundred,

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Speaker 1: ninety or eighty for the first time. It's knowing when

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Speaker 1: to play offense, knowing when to play defense. But what

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Speaker 1: soon as something goes wrong on the golf course, as

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Speaker 1: lie or something, and something bad happens, the immediate reaction

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Speaker 1: is straight offense. Push all the chips into the middle

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Speaker 2: I gotta catch up.

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Speaker 1: Gott to try and make up for that. From a

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Speaker 2: Now it's a three way from two forty over water

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Speaker 2: to the back.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking hyper aggressive lines and stuff like that, so

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Speaker 1: as I gotta make it up the mindset of taking

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Speaker 1: the score, the actual real score the way the game

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Speaker 1: sixty nine. That is not a reality. It's crazy for

430
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Speaker 1: almost everybody listening to this podcast going to do that.

431
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: You're not you don't have the depth of talent and

432
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Speaker 1: the toolbox to be able to shoot forty on the

433
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Speaker 1: front nine and shoot thirty two on the back. It's

434
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Speaker 1: just not a reality. Yes, it looks like it's a

435
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Speaker 1: reality because we're all so focused and watching golf on

436
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Speaker 1: TV and we see players do that. We see Rory

437
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Speaker 1: McRoy shoot thirty nine to thirty right and shoot sixty

438
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Speaker 1: nine and in the in the interview say yeah, you know,

439
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Speaker 1: I man, I didn't play great on the front and

440
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Speaker 1: you know, really didn't have it and then I found

441
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Speaker 1: something on the back and then knew I had to

442
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Speaker 1: make a bunch of birdies coming in and lighting it up.

443
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: And stuff like that, because at the tour level on Thursday,

444
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Speaker 1: if you go out on any tour, doesn't matter where

445
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: you're playing, doesn't matter which side of the tee you're on,

446
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: whether you're playing the front or the back. You shoot

447
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Speaker 1: forty on your first nine as a professional golfer, and

448
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: you know in your head you are already on the

449
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: cut line. You are going to be on the cut.

450
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: If you do that on the corn ferry, you might

451
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Speaker 1: as well just go home because you are not going

452
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Speaker 1: to recover. My point behind that. Professional golfers will know that,

453
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Speaker 1: let's say they're unless it's a major or a real

454
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Speaker 1: I'm talking a rank and file run of the mill

455
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Speaker 1: tour event, non major, non superstar, Riviera type golf course

456
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Speaker 1: where they've played majors, where you know that ten under

457
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: is probably gonna win, single digits is probably gonna win. Right,

458
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: you shoot forty on the front, you throw a double

459
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: bogie in there, you are going to spend the next

460
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Speaker 1: couple hours, the next couple hours of that round, for

461
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Speaker 1: the next nine, and then all eighteen the following day

462
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Speaker 1: trying to make being right on the cut line, and

463
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: every single birdie put you have is life or death.

464
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Speaker 1: Whether you're going to make the cut. Every hard put

465
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Speaker 1: you have is life or death, whether you're going to

466
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Speaker 1: make the cut, every bogie put, every mistake you make.

467
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Speaker 1: And I think the discipline code for people that are

468
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Speaker 1: non competitive golfers is having an understanding as to how

469
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Speaker 1: detrimental these big numbers are and the thought process around

470
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Speaker 1: these big numbers. What were you thinking? What was your

471
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Speaker 1: strategy when you get out of position? That's the other

472
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Speaker 1: thing I think a game like this can really really

473
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Speaker 1: help players change. Is Okay, I've hit a bad T shot. Okay,

474
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Speaker 1: I've got myself in a situation that's not ideal. Okay,

475
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: what does my strategy become now? If from an errant

476
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Speaker 1: T shot, a win for me is to make a bogie,

477
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Speaker 1: or if you're playing the other game, a win for

478
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Speaker 1: me is to make a par better.

479
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Speaker 2: Yes, when it comes to like extreme ownership, you're taking

480
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: responsibility for that plug line in the bunker as a

481
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Speaker 2: strategy problem, not necessarily a technical problem when you're playing.

482
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Speaker 1: Because everybody listening to this podcast is as a golfer.

483
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Speaker 1: I think if you're a golfer, you're predeposed to do

484
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: one thing. You're predeposed in your head and your thinking

485
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: and your brain to think everything that happens on the

486
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: golf course is technical. Right. If I could just make

487
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: my swing better on the range, this wouldn't happen.

488
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Speaker 2: There's no pickup basketball player on the golf course where

489
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Speaker 2: we can just go out down the road here and

490
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: play some pickup basketball. We're not thinking about how to shoot,

491
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: We're not thinking about how to dribble. We're just playing

492
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Speaker 2: the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the people listening outside, just soccer football five

494
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: A side three aside, right, the strategy, the technique is

495
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: very very different in that game. Then if you have

496
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Speaker 1: the full amount of teams on the court three on

497
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Speaker 1: three basketball, right, half court basketball, right, the strategy is

498
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Speaker 1: very very different than if you're playing a full NBA

499
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Speaker 1: game with referees and timeouts and all of the things

500
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Speaker 1: and all of the players. And I just one of

501
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Speaker 1: the things that I'm always ryan trying to get people

502
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: to think about is golf is thought of. You know,

503
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Speaker 1: Rory McElroy's comments at the Writer Cup about hey, golf

504
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: needs to be different and stuff like that, all fine, right,

505
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: But I do think that people think that golf is

506
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Speaker 1: its own alternate universe of a sport. Where none of

507
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: the other things. Because most of the time, I think

508
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: if people were playing golf and the way that they

509
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: play golf, given their talent level, if they were going

510
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: to try and play any of the sports that they

511
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: watch that they're fans of that are important to them,

512
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Speaker 1: NFL football suck. You know, world.

513
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Speaker 3: Anything right, you'd never succeed because there's nobody in the

514
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: real sports and golf you can think about golf like

515
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Speaker 3: other sports are played.

516
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Speaker 1: Yes, minimize the mistakes. We don't have to do anything

517
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: really special here. You know, again, going back to the

518
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: fact that we're in the US now, NFL football, it's

519
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: all about for the coaching staffs and for the game

520
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: plans to try and say listen, hey, we're just gonna

521
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: go out and try and control the things that we

522
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: can control. You know, practice was great this week, but

523
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna see if any of this works in the game.

524
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: And then when they lose, they come back and say, listen,

525
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Speaker 1: you know, we got to look at the game plan.

526
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: We got to look at how we did things, or hey,

527
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: we had a great game plan today. I thought we

528
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: did a lot of things really really well. Today. We

529
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: just got beat. So maybe it's you know, one of

530
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: the things they're always trying to figure out in team

531
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Speaker 1: sports is did the team beat themselves or did the

532
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: team Did the team play bad and lose? Did the

533
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: team play bad and win and get a couple of breaks? Right?

534
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think golfers think about the game. They're

535
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: trying to play the way they've played other sports and

536
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: the way other sports that they watch are being played, right.

537
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I would disagree with what Roy you're saying.

538
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: I don't know specifically what he's referring to, but I'm

539
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: trying to coach golf like other other sports, you know.

540
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: But Rory was saying it from a crowd standpoint that

541
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: your element, and he said, listen, golf needs and should

542
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: be different. And I agree with it from that standpoint,

543
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: But I think that sometimes perpetuates this in my brain,

544
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: this myth that golf and the way it's played is

545
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: so different than every other sport. It's not. And I

546
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: think this game will make you think about the way

547
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: other sports are being played another. In team sports, it's

548
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: two teams playing. One team wins, one team loses. You

549
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: can evaluate how the team won and you can evaluate

550
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: how the team loss. But at the end of the day,

551
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: if you're eight, no, and you're two and six, right,

552
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: So if you won eight and have no losses, how

553
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: you've done that? Yeah, it's important, But at the end

554
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: of the day, the only thing that really matters is

555
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: you've won eight games and you don't have any losses.

556
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: If you're if you played eight games, you've won two

557
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: and you've lost six. You can evaluate all you want,

558
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: why and how, But at the end of the day,

559
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: the team is two and six, right. So I think

560
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: this game of switching it and saying listen, think of

561
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: it like team sports. Every time you go to play

562
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: a whole there's going to be a winning team and

563
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: there's going to be a losing team. Yep. And your

564
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: goal is to be on the winning team. How you

565
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 1: do that, don't care, doesn't matter. The only job is

566
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: to go to term we use in the US, get

567
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: a W. Go get the win. Brad Gilbert the famous

568
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: tennis player who's now tennis coach, who's great commentator. He

569
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: wrote a book called Winning Ugly. He did not have

570
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: a great game, He was not blessed with a lot

571
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: of the things that he won. He found a way

572
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: to win ugly. He kind of coined the phrase of

573
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: winning ugly, So you can go out on the golf

574
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: course with this game and win ugly. The only thing

575
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: that matters is you made poor or better, bogie or better,

576
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: And the only thing that doesn't matter is what happens

577
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: if you don't move on.

578
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: So we're really kind of judging the hopefully, we're judging

579
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: the process. We're not judging the final score on each hole.

580
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: We're not letting those emotions take over whether it's high

581
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: or low, two words in a railwa or two triples

582
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: in a row. You're just judging yourself in the process.

583
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: We talk about it all the time. Was your process

584
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: the problem on that chat? Does it lead to wn album?

585
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: Let's find out.

586
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: So give me some keys to try and have kind

587
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: of an eighteen win perfect season right on the golf course.

588
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: So if the goal was par or better as a win,

589
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: if the goal of the game is bogie or better

590
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: as a win, you can adjust that based off of Yeah,

591
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: your TOOLBIOX, handicap and stuff like that. But what are

592
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: some of in your opinion, the key principles, the key

593
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: things you need to focus on to create that kind

594
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: of more winning season as opposed to a losing season.

595
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first concept I would say is, you know,

596
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: we're going into this eighteen whole season and we're gonna

597
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: lose some we're gonna win something, and regardless, I'm gonna

598
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: play my best. I'm gonna keep their risk level minimum,

599
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: and off we go. I think we're gonna be honest

600
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: with ourselves. Do we need to give ourselves a w

601
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: is actually a bogie or better on maybe a long

602
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: part four or whatever.

603
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: Maybe take adjust the game and say, okay, look at

604
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: the hardest holes on the golf course. Look at the

605
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: easiest holes on your golf course. The easiest holes on

606
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: your golf course, play the part or better game. Ye

607
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: the harder holes on your golf course, play the bogey

608
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: game or better yep.

609
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: So we're taking the emotions out of it, and we're

610
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: not going to be score chasing. So if we're coming

611
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: down the stretch, hopefully we don't even know what our

612
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: technical score is. We just know what our win loss

613
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: record is. We can carry that sense of process and

614
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: confidence into that next match and then next into the

615
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: next hole. You're not chasing the score, which just is

616
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: basically an emotional toll for anybody.

617
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Speaker 1: We were talking to the team Flow kids the other

618
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: day and Richard Johnson came in. He's working with Matt.

619
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Speaker 1: Richard had a fifteen year career from Sweden, lives here

620
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: in Jupiter, one on the European Tour, one on the

621
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Speaker 1: PGA tour and stuff, and we were trying to talk

622
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Speaker 1: to him, get him to talk to some of the

623
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Speaker 1: kids about strategy. He said, work backwards from the green YEP.

624
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: That's the first thing.

625
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: What does that mean? And how can that help players?

626
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: How can I get to the green from the ferryway

627
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: from the tea basically right, instead of trying to hit

628
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: I think.

629
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: Everybody starts from the tee and then works from the

630
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: tee to the green. YEP. This concept and this idea

631
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: is start at the green and work backwards. So when

632
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: you're starting at the green and working backwards, what does

633
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: that look like? And what should everyone listening be thinking? Right?

634
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 2: So is this small green? Okay, small green? I probably

635
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: need to get closer in my next shot. Does it

636
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: take a drive and an iron shot to get there?

637
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it does. So play that par four as a

638
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: three shotter if you will to get to the green safely,

639
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: and then we have a chance to make a par

640
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: with one putt, we're with two putts, and then off

641
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: the tea, where can I say myself best for that

642
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: approach into the green or into the layer position. And

643
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: if there's a bunker or a tree or water we

644
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Speaker 2: need to carry, perhaps you actually don't need to carry it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we need to push out to one side or

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Speaker 2: the other with a different club so we can make

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Speaker 2: sure we get to that next location. For the layout

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Speaker 2: planning in reverse, instead of trying to solve the first problem,

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Speaker 2: which is off the tee, we're solving the last problem,

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Speaker 2: which is getting to the green.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that you and I talk about a

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Speaker 1: lot that I think is really really important in trying

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Speaker 1: to improve your scores on the golf course is conservative

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Speaker 1: targets and committed swings to conservative targets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing how many times we hear it. I

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Speaker 2: just did not think it was the right play and

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Speaker 2: I hit it anyway. You know those type of anyways moments,

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Speaker 2: Those are the ones that kill you. Those are the

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Speaker 2: ones that last. Some linger to rest of the round

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Speaker 2: because you're score chasing, right.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're score chasing, you're also flag hunting,

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Speaker 1: or you are thinking about where the flag is. If

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Speaker 1: you're trying to break one hundred ninety and eighty for

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Speaker 1: the first times, I've said this a million times. Don't

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Speaker 1: even worry about where the flag is. Don't even imagine

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Speaker 1: the flag is not there, and you are just going

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Speaker 1: to try and get the ball on the green anywhere.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's front, left, front, right, back, right,

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Speaker 1: back left, it doesn't matter where the pin is. So

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Speaker 1: that again is the discipline code of going out. I

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Speaker 1: think one of the ways to solve this, to play

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Speaker 1: this game well and to have a good score at

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Speaker 1: the end of it, is to think less about don't

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Speaker 1: even think about where the target is. Just hit the green.

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Speaker 1: We played a game on our Part three course the

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Speaker 1: other day with some of our kids and some of

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Speaker 1: our juniors and stuff. Part three are our nine hole

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Speaker 1: Part three course here the floriding the harmon course. Longest

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Speaker 1: holl would be one sixty maybe and the shortest eighty,

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Speaker 1: so the majority are going to be under.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're looking at shots between eighty and one to

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Speaker 2: fifty essentially.

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Speaker 1: Eight and one fifty nine shots, ninety shots. So what

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Speaker 1: we did with the team, the only goal was to

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Speaker 1: hit the green.

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Speaker 2: Yes, pick up if you hit the green, right, If

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Speaker 2: you hit the green, you pick up. Now here's the

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Speaker 2: piloty right. If you miss the green, you start back

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Speaker 2: over on one.

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Speaker 1: You start back over on one. So if you hit

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Speaker 1: the first green and you hit the second green, and

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Speaker 1: you hit the third green, keep going. Obviously, for everyone listening,

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Speaker 1: it's an embarrassment of riches that were lucky enough to have.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody has a nine hole par three course that

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Speaker 1: they can use, right, But this is just an example

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Speaker 1: of how we're trying to have players conceptually think about

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Speaker 1: the game differently. So in the in the nine hole

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Speaker 1: par three game, you could get to the sixth hole

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Speaker 1: and hit all six greens, you miss the green on

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Speaker 1: the seventh, you've got to go all the way back.

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Speaker 1: But it took one of our race.

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Speaker 2: It's a race, and sadly I won the race, like

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Speaker 2: the coach should never beat you. But it took one

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Speaker 2: of our guys like four hours to actually complete the project,

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Speaker 2: the mission and.

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Speaker 1: That struggle, that kind of fight and having to fight

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Speaker 1: through that, to me is where that's the best practice.

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Speaker 1: That's the best practice, and that's where that's where you

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Speaker 1: find the gold, right, that's where you find things. You're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've just got to completely shift my mindset now, and

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Speaker 1: so the poor game.

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Speaker 2: These are good players too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the par and bogie game. I just think

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Speaker 1: it's a really good opportunity to just not think so much.

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Speaker 1: The outcome is par or better. The outcome is bogie

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Speaker 1: or better, and that's it. How you do that, what

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Speaker 1: strategy you use to do that? We don't care, and

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't care.

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Speaker 2: A lot of layups, a lot of easy shots off

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Speaker 2: the tee. You're not chasing, you're just looking for the

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Speaker 2: w The bogey proof bleeprint game pretty fun stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really really good one. I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to help a lot of players, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's going to help players maybe kind of shift

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Speaker 1: their mindset. Rcy always good stuff. Golf Chaos managed their

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Speaker 1: Instagram site fo Instagram characters we got out there and

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Speaker 1: the goal behind that and how you're coming up with it.

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Speaker 1: Just tell everybody kind of the goal behind it, but

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Speaker 1: also how you're doing it well.

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Speaker 2: I think if we just start from the top, it's

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Speaker 2: kind of our coaching philosophy is making our practice task

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Speaker 2: based with some sort of high intensity exercise so the

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Speaker 2: player is physiologically rapped up to practice the show their challenge.

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Speaker 1: They're kind of in chaos. This all kind of comes

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Speaker 1: from you know, I made a comment to you about

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Speaker 1: you asked me once, you know, when Brooks was on

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Speaker 1: that kind of it, won four out of eight or

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Speaker 1: nine of the majors he played in in a very

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Speaker 1: short period of time, and you asked me, you know,

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Speaker 1: what's his secrets? Off, I'm like, he kind of likes

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Speaker 1: the chaos and trying to win a major championship on

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Speaker 1: Sunday golf course. Trying to win a major championship is

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Speaker 1: golf chaos, right, It's going to be chaotic, and Brooks

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Speaker 1: always succeeded in that role and kind of had something

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Speaker 1: at that time that a lot of people in the

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Speaker 1: game thought that he had something that they didn't. Is

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Speaker 1: he kind of liked the fact that it was going

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Speaker 1: to be chaotic. He thrived in the chaos. I always

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Speaker 1: call it, you know, trying to win major championships, win tournaments,

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Speaker 1: but trying to break one hundred ninety and eighty it's

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Speaker 1: it's the death zone on Everest yep. Right, you think

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Speaker 1: that you're going to be comfortable that high on the mountain.

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Speaker 1: But the oxygen gets thin, you start making crazy decisions

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and I think this is a really,

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Speaker 1: really good one. So Golf Chaos Managed. The idea behind

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Speaker 1: the instagram is.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, it started with Brooks a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago that career define a moment we need, delivered

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Speaker 2: that discipline speech for us.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: It's something I'd never knew he could come up with,

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Speaker 2: but it was awesome. I made a speech about it

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Speaker 2: a TPI summit and we've created Golf Chaos Managed. And

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Speaker 2: it's essentially, you're not practicing under duress enough. And a

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Speaker 2: lot of it comes from military principles and high performing

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Speaker 2: principles and football principles and how their sports.

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Speaker 1: Teams compete and train and practice.

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Speaker 2: It's all under duress. And we can't have any growth

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Speaker 2: without the duress. So if you're out there just casually

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Speaker 2: hidden wedges with nothing on the line, what are we

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Speaker 2: even doing When we're playing the par three game and

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Speaker 2: it's a race from the first hole to the ninth hole,

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Speaker 2: you must hit each screen consecutively.

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Speaker 1: That is duress.

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Speaker 2: You can recreate it on your own practice tee if

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Speaker 2: you wanted to, and add a jog if you miss

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Speaker 2: agree something like that. But essentially it's practicing and growing

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Speaker 2: under duress.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really good Golf Chaos Manage. Go check

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Speaker 1: it out or see great stuff. Yes, sir, so, I

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Speaker 1: really liked that. That was a really good one. Ryan's

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Speaker 1: always got great ideas. He's a deep thinker. He thinks

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Speaker 1: a lot about Brian to help players get better. He

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Speaker 1: is a kind of unique approach at golf. Chaos Manage

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Speaker 1: is kind of his pet project Instagram. He uses a

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Speaker 1: lot of AI with that, and he's a good one.

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Speaker 1: It's a good game and it can definitely help you

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Speaker 1: lower your scores. Rate, review, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

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