Speaker 1: To our very first edition of The Break live from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: It is day two of Cowboys camp. Here. It's our
Speaker 1: first time on the air this uh, this camp, and
Speaker 1: we're excited to be back, excited to be on the air,
Speaker 1: excited to be talking Cowboys football for the twenty nineteen season.
Speaker 1: Got my crew here, Nick, Amber, Dave, how's everybody doing
Speaker 1: this morning? Awesome? So good? That's awesome. All right. So
Speaker 1: we got a lot to get into today. Since we
Speaker 1: haven't been on the air in a while, I thought
Speaker 1: it would be a good idea for us to start
Speaker 1: with some questions. I have a little game I'm gonna play.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be a fill in the blank. I
Speaker 1: have four questions, or actually four sentences for you guys,
Speaker 1: and I will leave a blank and I'll ask each
Speaker 1: of you guys to fill in that blank. All right,
Speaker 1: So let's start with the first one. We've arrived in
Speaker 1: sunny Oxnard, and expectations for this team are blank, Nick,
Speaker 1: very high, very high, very high, higher than they've been
Speaker 1: in the last ten years. Got it, Dave? Sky high? Oh,
Speaker 1: very high in sky high? Okay? I high, right, Amber,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to surpress that in my English
Speaker 1: vocabulary doesn't expand that much. But to the Galaxy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we talk about contracts, we talk about young
Speaker 1: guys are are making creating a new team, and yes,
Speaker 1: that's fresh and everything. He's exciting, but that's not necessarily
Speaker 1: the case for Jason Garrett, who is coming to an
Speaker 1: end of from his contract. So this is a very
Speaker 1: important year. It's either he makes it or he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Everything that's happened since last season indicates that the divisional
Speaker 1: rounds not good enough. The head coach won the division
Speaker 1: and got to the second round of the playoffs, he
Speaker 1: does not have a new deal. As it stands right now,
Speaker 1: everybody and their mother on this team is asking for
Speaker 1: astronomical amounts of money. Whether it's the running back who's
Speaker 1: not here, or the quarterback, or the receiver or even
Speaker 1: you know, guys like Jalen Smith that aren't on the radar.
Speaker 1: They want money too. It sounds like they got a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of good players, and it sounds
Speaker 1: like they're not happy enough with their coach getting to
Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs. They've added a couple
Speaker 1: Pro bowlers in the off season. Yeah, like, what what
Speaker 1: about what they've done suggests that the expectations or anything
Speaker 1: other than high. All right, So with that being said,
Speaker 1: we all agree expectations are extremely high. What's the biggest threat, Well,
Speaker 1: the biggest threat to this expectation is blank, Nick, I
Speaker 1: think it's injury. I mean, I know that's probably an
Speaker 1: easy thing to say, but but you know, like Dave said,
Speaker 1: this is a really good roster. It was a good
Speaker 1: roster last year. It got better. We think it got
Speaker 1: better this year with Frederick coming back, went and coming back,
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, Robert Quinn. So the thing that's gonna stop
Speaker 1: it is injuries, and especially at positions were the backups
Speaker 1: just it's a huge drop off and so that I
Speaker 1: think that that's going to derail most teams, especially this one,
Speaker 1: because it's very top heavy with good players. I don't
Speaker 1: know from one to fifty three how great it is amber,
Speaker 1: you know, going back to injuries, that is something that
Speaker 1: always scares me when you think about guys that ask
Speaker 1: for big contracts, and we have several guys that are
Speaker 1: in that situation right now. And I always go back
Speaker 1: to like dus Brian and what happened to him when
Speaker 1: he asked for a contract and then he got injured.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, that always stays in my mind,
Speaker 1: like when you have a big contract coming up, there
Speaker 1: may be a possible injury coming up, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're screwed. So I would say injuries
Speaker 1: as well. Injuries is an eternal answer. Of course, I
Speaker 1: agree with that. But if that's not it, then it's coaching.
Speaker 1: I just said it. They've had three straight winning seasons,
Speaker 1: They've won the division two out of the last three years.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett has been to the second round of the
Speaker 1: playoffs twice, no three times, three times, and there is
Speaker 1: not a fan base in the history of sports that
Speaker 1: is less satisfied with the coach of a guy with
Speaker 1: those credentials. Clearly, ownership might not light the ownership wants
Speaker 1: him to succeed. Jerry Jones says that all the time,
Speaker 1: but not so much that they're going to hand out
Speaker 1: a deal ahead of time. And you know, Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: kind of made a joke of it, not wanting to
Speaker 1: talk about what's good enough for Jason Garrett to get
Speaker 1: a new deal. He said, he was like, I can't
Speaker 1: hear you, what next question? On top of that, I
Speaker 1: mean what we scapegoaded Scottlandahan last year for a mediocre
Speaker 1: to bad offense. It's all on Kellen Moore. Now. I
Speaker 1: think people are pretty excited about what he might do,
Speaker 1: but now it's time to prove that. So we just said,
Speaker 1: how many great players does this team have? The expectations
Speaker 1: are sky high, assuming everybody's healthy. It's gonna be coaching
Speaker 1: that holds them back in my opinion. You know, the
Speaker 1: one thing that Jason Garrett and his teams have not done,
Speaker 1: but really this franchise hasn't done, and I think it's
Speaker 1: about twenty years, maybe more twenty three years, is they
Speaker 1: haven't won the division back to back years. When the
Speaker 1: expectations are there and you've done well, they haven't handled
Speaker 1: success very well. I know in OH seven they were
Speaker 1: thirteen and three lost to the Giants, and then in
Speaker 1: O eight there were supposed to be a really really
Speaker 1: good team three and oh to start and then and
Speaker 1: then it just it tanked. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: think that's one thing this team has to do, is
Speaker 1: the target is on their chest number. You know, good schedule,
Speaker 1: really good schedule for what it looks like right now
Speaker 1: and at first place, schedule and you've got to be
Speaker 1: able to handle that, and so far in the last
Speaker 1: twenty something years, they have not done that. So that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a big thing. And for whatever the reason,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's injuries every year. I just don't
Speaker 1: think it's handling success the right way. So now go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna add, so, Okay, I don't think
Speaker 1: any of us really think that Zeke is gonna hold
Speaker 1: out for that long. But if that was to happen,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you believe that everything changes for this team? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: if he's if he's not here when the games start,
Speaker 1: absolutely and he and he knows that, and that's the
Speaker 1: only thing that's gonna really matter on this is this
Speaker 1: August sixth deadline or whatever. I don't think we'll do anything.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have to go all the way
Speaker 1: into September and threaten to lose some games, because we
Speaker 1: know if you miss one game, if you lose one
Speaker 1: game you're not supposed to like to the Giants at home,
Speaker 1: that could change everything. That could be ten and six
Speaker 1: to nine and seven, and now you're out of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And we'll get into that a little bit deeper when
Speaker 1: we get into Zeke, I want to talk a lot
Speaker 1: about what's happening with Zeke Elliott continuing on those line
Speaker 1: of questionings though, although those sentences, despite those big threats,
Speaker 1: Blank should give the Cowboys confidence that they will reach
Speaker 1: their goal. Amber should give confidence. Well, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: confident on what Amari Cooper can bring to the offense.
Speaker 1: Let's say, whatever happens with Zeke, I know that Amri
Speaker 1: showed a lot last year and this year should be better,
Speaker 1: especially with him asking for a contract. Also, Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: the way that he has improved. I feel that this
Speaker 1: is the first time since he's been here where we've
Speaker 1: been able to see a significant change growth. This is
Speaker 1: the first time that he has a noticeable growth since
Speaker 1: he's been here. At his footwork. He keeps talking about
Speaker 1: that and John Kinna what he has been coaching up
Speaker 1: and how that has been helping him. So I have
Speaker 1: confidence that at least the passing game should improve this
Speaker 1: year and they would be able to rely on or
Speaker 1: lean on that a little more this year. Dave, the
Speaker 1: talent that you have on hand, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's Dak Prescott taking another step forward, which I
Speaker 1: think he will, whether it's even if it's a small edition.
Speaker 1: But I think having Jason wittenback can help you in
Speaker 1: small measures. Obviously, Travis Frederick is enormous. You add him
Speaker 1: to the other All pros on this offensive Linemari Cooper,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, Ezekiel Elliott, who I do think will be
Speaker 1: there when it matters. And then you know the defense.
Speaker 1: You got some of the brightest young stars in the
Speaker 1: NFL on that side of the ball, whether it's Jalen,
Speaker 1: whether it's Late and Vander esh I think Byron Jones
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Lawrence. That's something to watch. But I think
Speaker 1: they'll they'll be more ready than not as far as
Speaker 1: injuries go. So what I mean what you got like
Speaker 1: eight of the top one hundred players in the league.
Speaker 1: You got five All Pros and eight Pro Bowlers. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: the talent is going to carry this team and hopefully,
Speaker 1: like I said, hopefully the coaching goes with it. What
Speaker 1: you give the Cowboys confidence sake. I don't think the
Speaker 1: backbonus changed. I think of the offensive line is going
Speaker 1: to still give me confidence for this team to do well. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously Zeke makes a big difference. I don't think that
Speaker 1: the backups here would be able to sustain it and
Speaker 1: do it as as good of a job. I don't
Speaker 1: think they. They would probably get some outside help. But
Speaker 1: I think whoever it is we've seen de Marco Murray
Speaker 1: can set records behind the line, Darren McFadden can can
Speaker 1: rejuvenate his career behind the line, and I think you know,
Speaker 1: the special backleg Zeke can take it to another level.
Speaker 1: But I still think this offensive line and if Frederick
Speaker 1: can get back, I think offensive line is gonna gonna
Speaker 1: help that do his job. Cooper and whatever running back
Speaker 1: is back there, but I we'll talk more about and
Speaker 1: at least we feel good about the backup seeing the
Speaker 1: offensive line. Yeah, when you talk about injuries, at least
Speaker 1: you have guys that you are like, not, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're screwed. He's gonna be a good player. If there's
Speaker 1: if there's one spot where you feel good about the depth,
Speaker 1: it's got to be that offensive line. YEA. All right,
Speaker 1: So final sentence that you'll fill in the blank. My
Speaker 1: way too early on the record. Prediction for this team
Speaker 1: is Dave, Oh you start with me, all right, don't
Speaker 1: get mad at me. I think this is a ten
Speaker 1: or eleven win team. I really do. But I think
Speaker 1: this is a ten or eleven win team that's sharing
Speaker 1: the division with one of the best rosters in the
Speaker 1: league in the Philadelphia Eagles. So right now, July twenty eight,
Speaker 1: I think they win ten or eleven games and it's
Speaker 1: only good enough for a wild card. Okay, Amber, Um,
Speaker 1: I hate this. I'm just gonna go with eleven. I
Speaker 1: think that sounds about Yeah, eleven sounds about good. It
Speaker 1: sounds good. Yeah, eleven and five. Dave is ten and six?
Speaker 1: You're eleven and five? Yes, all right, Nick, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: ten and six and that. And that's gonna be hard,
Speaker 1: you know, with with some of the teams that they
Speaker 1: have to face. But you know, just when you when
Speaker 1: you throw in the Redskins and the Giants and you know,
Speaker 1: just you're saying those are easy wins. No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying those games are always tough. They're always tough,
Speaker 1: and so you know when and every team's got division,
Speaker 1: you know, games like that. But but you know, who
Speaker 1: knows what the Jets and Dolphins and Bills and they're
Speaker 1: gonna do. But I know what the Patriots are gonna
Speaker 1: bring um. You know, they'll win some of those games,
Speaker 1: they'll lose some a couple that they should not. I
Speaker 1: think ten and six and I I don't know, ten
Speaker 1: and six might win the division. I mean it did
Speaker 1: last year. It did. I think ten and six is
Speaker 1: and again this is Stills Parcels line from by fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago. I think this is gonna be a much
Speaker 1: better team than last year. The record may not show it,
Speaker 1: but it will be a better team. I do agree
Speaker 1: with that, because I mean ten and six would be
Speaker 1: the same record as last year, but I think this
Speaker 1: team will look more impressive even if they finished with
Speaker 1: that record. There are a lot of topics we need
Speaker 1: to hit, and none is bigger than Ezekiel Elliott. It
Speaker 1: started when we first saw you don't have to make
Speaker 1: a prediction. Would you like me to make it? Yes? Yea,
Speaker 1: if we're all putting our butts out there, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna go with their fifteen and one.
Speaker 1: No no, no, okay, sorry, I'm gonna go with twelve
Speaker 1: and four because the way I look at the way
Speaker 1: I look at this team, what they did in the
Speaker 1: second half of the year last year, was really impressive.
Speaker 1: It would have been a better record than that if
Speaker 1: they could have sustained that four full year before they
Speaker 1: got a Mark or after they got a Mark Cooper.
Speaker 1: But I actually think they got better. I think really
Speaker 1: the big one is the adding of Robert Quinn. I
Speaker 1: think you've now given yourselves two legitimate top end pass
Speaker 1: rushers on either side. I think you've got guys that
Speaker 1: can spell those guys who still can get some pressure.
Speaker 1: If what we're hearing about Randy Gregory suggests that he
Speaker 1: really will be back and playing for this team, I
Speaker 1: feel really good about what you got. The pass rush
Speaker 1: I think you got. I actually expect a little bit
Speaker 1: more this year from a guy like Malie Collins and
Speaker 1: a contract here we see this happen all the time.
Speaker 1: Guy's getting contract years, and all of a sudden they're
Speaker 1: playing in a much better level than they were before.
Speaker 1: You got those two linebackers in the middle, who are,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, two of the best in the league,
Speaker 1: and they are young and they are only going to
Speaker 1: be getting better. I think the secondary, I'm very excited
Speaker 1: to see what Xavier Woods can do, so I think
Speaker 1: the defense is really air. That gives me a lot
Speaker 1: of confidence to say I think this team is even
Speaker 1: better than it was last year at in even the
Speaker 1: guys that you brought back with your Trivis Fredick coming
Speaker 1: back from injury, Randall Cobb being signed, I think you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of weapons to make this team even
Speaker 1: better than they were last year. I know the schedule
Speaker 1: is going to be tough, but I think that's also
Speaker 1: what separates the good teams from the teams that are
Speaker 1: up there is the teams that can actually figure out
Speaker 1: a way to get wins. And I think this team
Speaker 1: is mentally tough. I think they'll be able to manage that.
Speaker 1: I think I can get to twelve wins. You got
Speaker 1: me believing after that field, so we'll see if that
Speaker 1: actually works out that way. But I do think we
Speaker 1: need to talk about Zeke Elliott. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of unknowns in this story. But I do think that
Speaker 1: one thing that stood out to me in the opening
Speaker 1: press conference, and that's how I want to frame our
Speaker 1: conversation is we heard three different things from the three
Speaker 1: primaries on this Jerry, Stephen and Jason, and I thought
Speaker 1: it gave these three different perspectives of how you look
Speaker 1: at situations like this, and I want us to talk
Speaker 1: about talk about it from that standpoint first, Jerry. The
Speaker 1: whole mantra of what Jerry was saying, I think, and
Speaker 1: you guys can correct me if you took something else
Speaker 1: from from his words, But I thought, really what he's
Speaker 1: focused on was the fact that, look, I'm in speaking
Speaker 1: as I'm Jerry. I'm not worried about this. This is
Speaker 1: business as usual. I've been doing this for thirty years.
Speaker 1: This is a part of the business in football. Pro
Speaker 1: football is a business. So there's nothing to be worried
Speaker 1: about at this point. We'll negotiate, we'll talk about it,
Speaker 1: we'll figure out what we're gonna do. There really are
Speaker 1: no words at this point. Is that what you guys
Speaker 1: took from from his words? As a general I think
Speaker 1: I need to direct quote though, because it was such
Speaker 1: a flex when he was like, this is the air
Speaker 1: we breathe, like this is our life. Like you know,
Speaker 1: y'all can stress about it if you want to, but
Speaker 1: this is nothing to me. Which yeah, no, I mean
Speaker 1: you yeah, one hundred percent, that's what they're saying. And
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, that's kind of his I'm
Speaker 1: not call it arrogance, but I mean, they sit up there,
Speaker 1: they know more than us, and they know that, and
Speaker 1: so it's like, even if they were worried about it,
Speaker 1: they're not, you know, gonna say it right there because
Speaker 1: there's no reason to worry about it then. But if
Speaker 1: we're in a month, they'll be worried about it. And
Speaker 1: that's why I you know, that's why I think that
Speaker 1: if Zeke's gonna be serious about this, then you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to wait a little bit longer, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I mean, if they were to say, hey,
Speaker 1: he's not coming back until you know, August six, it's like, great,
Speaker 1: can't get hurt, you get in trouble. But you know,
Speaker 1: you could do that anywhere, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're ain't gonna get hurt, which is kind of a
Speaker 1: good thing. So so should fans be more concerned? I
Speaker 1: know Jerry's not concerned from the standpoint that he's done
Speaker 1: this before. He knows these things tend to work themselves out.
Speaker 1: But let's assume for a second that Zeke takes the
Speaker 1: route that you're talking about, and now it pushes into
Speaker 1: the season because he really has to play. He feels
Speaker 1: like he really has to play hardball right now, when
Speaker 1: he may feel like this is his best leverage should
Speaker 1: be fans be concerned that that could play out, and
Speaker 1: then you go into the season without one of your
Speaker 1: best players, if not your best player. If I was
Speaker 1: a fan, I would probably think about this the same
Speaker 1: way that I think Jason Garrett is, which is to say,
Speaker 1: right here in Oxnard, cool, he's not gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1: We'll get a better look at Darius Jackson and Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard and Mike Weber and Jordan Chun. You know, see
Speaker 1: what these guys got. Maybe they'll do something for this year.
Speaker 1: Maybe they could be trade bait when roster cuts come.
Speaker 1: This is this is a net positive. We're gonna see
Speaker 1: what these guys got. And you get back from Oxnard
Speaker 1: if he's still not there, it's like, I don't love this,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of it's in the back of my
Speaker 1: mind now, you know, I'd like to see my guy.
Speaker 1: I'd like to know he's getting reps, but is he
Speaker 1: in shape? Still not freaking out because we got two
Speaker 1: more weeks so that's fine. And then you know, roster
Speaker 1: cuts and now we're prepping for the Giants. He's still
Speaker 1: not here. Now we're ringing alarm bells. Now we're freaking out,
Speaker 1: We're not sleeping at night. That's I mean, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: won't admit that, but that's how he's going to approach this.
Speaker 1: I feel very confident, and that's how I would feel
Speaker 1: as I was a fan too. If we're game planning
Speaker 1: for the Giants and we're not making moves to get
Speaker 1: him back, then it's time to panic. Until then, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of I'm cool to see what the rest of
Speaker 1: these guys have. You know, what worries me is the
Speaker 1: fact him not being here and where he's at right now,
Speaker 1: the people that he's with are gonna be in his ear.
Speaker 1: These people his agents are wanting money. They get money
Speaker 1: from him. So it's like having those people around you
Speaker 1: telling you like, this is what you should do. You know,
Speaker 1: we should this is the game plan and stuff. You
Speaker 1: start putting those thoughts in your head and then you
Speaker 1: start acting that way towards that specific goal, you know,
Speaker 1: as opposed to let's say, okay, this is a different story.
Speaker 1: The Marcus Lawrence's hurt. That's different, and he has a
Speaker 1: contract obviously, but he mentioned that him being here is
Speaker 1: completely different than when you're at home. So the thought
Speaker 1: of that aspect of it, I wonder how that would
Speaker 1: affect his thought process. Yeah, we're playing the Dolphins in
Speaker 1: Week three at home and the Dolphins have gone down
Speaker 1: and scored a touchdown. That's where we are. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: that's like, Okay, well, you know, plenty of time I
Speaker 1: got to come back and on that. But yeah, quarter
Speaker 1: and they've got the ball and the night we're in
Speaker 1: trouble worried? Yeah not yet. All right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Steven Jones his I think the takeaway from Steven was,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, camps where these things get done. And
Speaker 1: he made that point. Um, if you haven't seen our
Speaker 1: show special edition, Dave, you had to sit down with
Speaker 1: him and ask him about that as well. And I
Speaker 1: think they'd be interviewing Steven all year. He will be
Speaker 1: interviewing It'll be your weekly We could give um. But
Speaker 1: but I think the point of that was that and
Speaker 1: we've seen this, those of us have been covering the
Speaker 1: team for a while. You've seen that. Like there have
Speaker 1: been number of guys that have gotten deals during training camp.
Speaker 1: This tends to be the area the time when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys kind of dig in on those a little bit
Speaker 1: and see if they can get something done. That all
Speaker 1: being said, he's not the only deal. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of new deals that have to be done, particularly
Speaker 1: with DAK and to Mary. So talk to me a
Speaker 1: little bit about the timing of this and how that
Speaker 1: might affect what's happening with DAK and with the Mark.
Speaker 1: A big difference between the guys you're alluding to, Tyrant Smith,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, Travis Frederick and then the two guys that
Speaker 1: are here that they're here, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: that one thing that the Jerry and Stephen have proven
Speaker 1: is that you're not going to strong arm them. You're
Speaker 1: just not. I mean him and even went two games
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago and they had to lose both
Speaker 1: of those games for it to happen. So I think
Speaker 1: he would have probably been better served to say, listen,
Speaker 1: I have a big problem with this, and then if
Speaker 1: they can say, yah, come in, let's get this thing done.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. You know. But but I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're gonna hit the panic button now because
Speaker 1: they're not gonna let the whole team though that that's
Speaker 1: what you gotta do to set precedence, so I might
Speaker 1: this might be a little tougher to get done now
Speaker 1: because he's done this. I want. I mean, I wonder
Speaker 1: and that's why I do, you know. And Stephen and
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones both kind of said like, look, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about all of this today and then we're not
Speaker 1: going to talk about it again, which if you read
Speaker 1: between the lines, kind of says like we're preparing for
Speaker 1: this to last for a little while. You know, if
Speaker 1: they're gonna get it, if they're gonna talk about it
Speaker 1: Friday and get it done Sunday, then they don't care.
Speaker 1: But they're like, look, we're not gonna do this for
Speaker 1: three weeks, which is probably what's going to happen. I honestly,
Speaker 1: if I'm looking at this from Zeke's perspective, I do
Speaker 1: think this is probably the way to do it, because
Speaker 1: they've got enough other stuff to worry about with Dak's
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty million dollar contract and Amri's ninety
Speaker 1: million dollar contract that yeah, you keep going, you got
Speaker 1: you gotta stand up and do something to make them
Speaker 1: take notice. And yeah, it would be cool if he
Speaker 1: was a team player and came in and he was
Speaker 1: here and they were still talking about it, but he
Speaker 1: got some aggressive advice from his aid. It might not
Speaker 1: have been the best advice in the world, but it
Speaker 1: damn sure is making the cowboys take notice. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that. Yeah, hold on, Nimber, before you say that,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. What I meant is, I don't
Speaker 1: think he can get this deal done like right now
Speaker 1: or in a week or so by doing that, I
Speaker 1: think he could have maybe behind closed door and say
Speaker 1: listen maybe. But but I actually agree with what a
Speaker 1: Zeke is doing. I really do. I want to get
Speaker 1: that out there. I think he should ask for more money,
Speaker 1: he should do it now. And and I've said all
Speaker 1: along I thought he should be the top priority, and
Speaker 1: so I think he's got leverage. I don't look at
Speaker 1: it like mah, he's he's he should honor a contract.
Speaker 1: I hate that argument. Alan hearns they didn't honor his
Speaker 1: you know, and he did everything he could get back.
Speaker 1: They don't honor contract. What it is is not At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you have to look out
Speaker 1: for yourself. Cowboys to look out for themselves, and you
Speaker 1: as a player, you have to look out for yourself.
Speaker 1: This is a business business, right, I think he's doing
Speaker 1: I actually think he's doing the right thing. But by
Speaker 1: doing this, I don't think this is going to be
Speaker 1: a quick fix. I think he's gonna have to go
Speaker 1: into September. I'm because if if in two okay, well yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess seem no into September, but I mean that's
Speaker 1: game week. That's game week starts on the second. I think,
Speaker 1: when when are you gonna be in Austin. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be in No LSU, Texas is the seventh. That's the
Speaker 1: Saturday before the opener horns down. We can have that
Speaker 1: conversation against it. Okay, Yeah, I'm fine. It's a flag.
Speaker 1: Um so September Labor Day. Roster cuts will be August thirty. First, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you start looking, you start working towards the Giants on
Speaker 1: September first and second, that's okay. YouTube mention. You think
Speaker 1: it'll still I mean, okay, I could see that. I
Speaker 1: hope not. That sounds stressful. Obviously, don't though. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna last that long. I don't either, But
Speaker 1: then what's the point. Here's the I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna he's gonna Cave. What I believe is, um,
Speaker 1: I think when you have two parties that both want
Speaker 1: the same thing, which is they both want Zeke to
Speaker 1: be here, I think that gives them reason to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's figure this thing out. It's when you run into problems,
Speaker 1: is when you've got kind of mismatched expectations. You got
Speaker 1: one side that wants to be there more than the other, right,
Speaker 1: and then it's kind of like, well, yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of want it, but I don't really want it, And
Speaker 1: that's when you got problems. Both of them firmly want
Speaker 1: Zeke to be here, and so if both the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and Zeke's representatives want the same thing, they'll figure out
Speaker 1: how to make it work. And I honestly don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I think there are probably a few things that they
Speaker 1: have to try to figure out where they may be
Speaker 1: far apart. They all know he's gonna get paid. They
Speaker 1: all know he's probably gonna get something. I would guess
Speaker 1: they would all know he's gonna get something in the
Speaker 1: range if not more than Todd Gurley. What they got
Speaker 1: to figure out is how you divvy that up. What's
Speaker 1: the guaranteed money, how do you create language that protects
Speaker 1: the cowboys in the event that Zeke Runt finds himself
Speaker 1: running a file of the commissioner. Those are the kinds
Speaker 1: of things I would expect are probably going to be
Speaker 1: the negotiating points. But again, if everybody wants to get there,
Speaker 1: Usually when negotiate Asians are like that, he works itself out.
Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna come to a conclusion here,
Speaker 1: and I would I would suspect personally give it two weeks.
Speaker 1: I would think they probably get a deal, and you're hearing, hey,
Speaker 1: there's a new deal for Zeke out there, That's what
Speaker 1: I would guess. I'm fascinated because Stephen Jones is pretty blunt,
Speaker 1: like I mean, he's not gonna tell you everything, but
Speaker 1: like you can piece some of the stuff together. What
Speaker 1: was fascinating to me was on Friday he was talking
Speaker 1: about all three of these guys, you know, Daka, Mari,
Speaker 1: and he was like, these will get done, Like this
Speaker 1: is not a matter of if it's gonna happen, Like
Speaker 1: he said, we're gonna come to an agreement with Amari
Speaker 1: quote for sure, and Zeke he's you know talking about
Speaker 1: you know, like we gotta make it work for both
Speaker 1: of us. Same thing for Dak. It's not a matter
Speaker 1: of like, well, you know, we might want to play
Speaker 1: a franchise tag with this guy. I know, it sounds
Speaker 1: like they very much plan on getting this done. And
Speaker 1: then after the press conference, Stephen Jones is like, all
Speaker 1: three of these guys have offers on the table, and
Speaker 1: we're bas like, which is to say, we're waiting for
Speaker 1: their counter offer, which is to say, if you really
Speaker 1: read between the lines, they're saying we're not interested and
Speaker 1: like they want too much right now. You know, that's
Speaker 1: kind of the whisper on Dak's deal and its negotiations,
Speaker 1: of course, and it's a very poorly kept secret, Like
Speaker 1: it certainly seems like Amari Cooper's team is waiting to
Speaker 1: see what Michael Thomas and Julio Jones get paid, which
Speaker 1: I don't blame them at all, because Michael Thomas is
Speaker 1: holding out as well. So it's one of those things
Speaker 1: where like it's going to take a minute for these
Speaker 1: dominoes to fall, but once they do, like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked if all three of these guys are signed
Speaker 1: before the season starts. I don't know if that will happen,
Speaker 1: but it would not surprise because again, the cowboys want
Speaker 1: that to happen. Yeah, cowboys want all these three guys,
Speaker 1: and they want them under contract, and they want them
Speaker 1: under longer term contracts so they feel good about where
Speaker 1: they are right now and where they are in the
Speaker 1: next couple of years. One press conference that would be
Speaker 1: all three. How you talk about from a market standpoint, markability?
Speaker 1: If they did that, you know, new triplets, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: new triplets right there. And I mean I know a
Speaker 1: guy who sits in an office above us at the
Speaker 1: Star who would be really happy about that, which one
Speaker 1: a lot of row of offices above a lot of
Speaker 1: typically our friend who runs the merchandising to partab. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he can be very very excited. All right,
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this on that same topic.
Speaker 1: Talk to me at about the priority. Is there a
Speaker 1: priority with these three or is it just kind of
Speaker 1: like whichever one kind of falls in line happens when
Speaker 1: it happens. He set me up fantastically like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: so fascinated by that, and I want to understand it,
Speaker 1: and I just don't know, I don't know if I can.
Speaker 1: I Actually I talked to Stephen Jones about that where
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, typically when we come to camp,
Speaker 1: it's it's Tyring needs a deal or Travis needs a deal.
Speaker 1: Like we've never seen this before where you need three
Speaker 1: guys signed at once, and he's all very important, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's just like yeah, you know, like we're in
Speaker 1: good caps. I'm like, do you need to sign him
Speaker 1: Maori first because he's got the highest salary. Do you
Speaker 1: need to sign Dak first because it's the biggest number
Speaker 1: and it kind of sets the table what's going on?
Speaker 1: And he's like, hey, you know, it just it'll work
Speaker 1: itself out like that. He's like, we've juggled four and
Speaker 1: five at a time, Like, you know, if if we
Speaker 1: want to do four deals at once, we can do four.
Speaker 1: If we want to do five, we can do I'm
Speaker 1: and I'm just like that doesn't make sense to my
Speaker 1: very bad math brain. But if you say so, Stephen,
Speaker 1: then I guess it's true. So he's just kind of like,
Speaker 1: whoever's willing to play ball first, I think that's who
Speaker 1: gets the deal. Like, I don't think there's really any
Speaker 1: order to it. I disagree. I think there is a priority.
Speaker 1: I think it's Zeke. He's the guy where he's the
Speaker 1: one that's making He doesn't look like he's going to
Speaker 1: play without a deal. I don't whatever, But was that
Speaker 1: the priority before he held out? Because I personally made
Speaker 1: him I personally and that's why he he just did
Speaker 1: one of his patent hurdles right over and said, what's
Speaker 1: this Now, I'm a priority? And I I agree with
Speaker 1: them because going back to what Stephen Jones said, he's
Speaker 1: the straw that stirs the drink. That's what he said.
Speaker 1: So you know, if that's the case, then it's like,
Speaker 1: let's mix it up. I've spent enough time around Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper to believe him when he says he's not really
Speaker 1: worried about it. And to his point, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: scheduled to make fourteen million dollars this year, so like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not that upset number four out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like. I think I think
Speaker 1: he cares a little bit more than he's going to
Speaker 1: say in a press conference setting, like what's he making
Speaker 1: this year? He's making two million, which is only because
Speaker 1: of how many snaps he's played over the last four years.
Speaker 1: He should be making like six hundred thousand, and but
Speaker 1: even at two million, I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to do the numbers on this, but I would argue
Speaker 1: he is the most underplayed, underpaid athlete in all of sports.
Speaker 1: Bet you there's all any sport, all of them. I
Speaker 1: bet you there's a third quarterback on a roster that
Speaker 1: might make more than Yeah, I would Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: be willing the third quarterback that was definitely definitely definitely backup.
Speaker 1: You're a good backup, you know. I mean, what's the
Speaker 1: what's the Dave looklike out there? What's his name? Ryan Fitzpatrick? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on the Soda Weight loss Challenge now, So I'm
Speaker 1: not going to have the gut that Ryan Fitzpatrick had
Speaker 1: when he reported about So tell us about the Soda challenge. No,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to hear about that, talk about talk about
Speaker 1: that by the day ten. Yeah, yeah, you're searching for topics. Um, okay.
Speaker 1: So that all being said, let's move on to Jason
Speaker 1: and kind of how he looks at this whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think Jason's big takeaway for me, at least, was
Speaker 1: that when guys are out, it creates opportunities for other guys.
Speaker 1: It means that there's a chance for other guys to
Speaker 1: get on the field and show what they can do,
Speaker 1: and not just for themselves, but also for the team.
Speaker 1: So the team knows, hey, we got a good, viable
Speaker 1: option and maybe we were thinking he's just a backup.
Speaker 1: Maybe we got to work him in a little bit more.
Speaker 1: That being said, who do you think has the greatest
Speaker 1: opportunity with Zeke being out? Is it Darius Jackson, Mike Webber,
Speaker 1: or Tony Pollard? I honestly think it's Darius Jackson, because well,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is what he I mean, he's a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick. He's by I mean, if you pulled them anonymously,
Speaker 1: I think they'd say he's the draft pick they're the
Speaker 1: most excited about this year. He's here and they're going
Speaker 1: to find a role for him or try to. So
Speaker 1: I don't worry about him. But I mean, Darius Jackson
Speaker 1: is the guy that gets forgotten about because they drafted
Speaker 1: Mike Webber and he's the most experienced guy. He got
Speaker 1: the first crack at the first team reps yesterday. He's
Speaker 1: the one that has the chance to make the biggest
Speaker 1: statement because these other guys are the shiny new toys, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're already excited to see them, whereas you
Speaker 1: kind of push out the older guy. And so I
Speaker 1: think any opportunity that he can get to take reps
Speaker 1: is going to be great for him. And even if
Speaker 1: it's not with the Cowboys, it could be great for
Speaker 1: him to get that tape out there for another team
Speaker 1: to see. I think he's just a good, great combination
Speaker 1: of a guy that could be at every down back.
Speaker 1: He's got some speed as well. I think Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: is the Felix Jones to when they had Marian Barber.
Speaker 1: You know, Pollard will be great if they got Zeke,
Speaker 1: but if they don't have Zeke, I still think he's
Speaker 1: going to be number two all the way. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody's nobody's looking at him to be the lead back.
Speaker 1: I mean that that was kind of the scouting report
Speaker 1: on him coming out, as you know, Stephen Jones even
Speaker 1: see he's like he can run between the tackles more
Speaker 1: than he gets credit for. But I still don't know
Speaker 1: if you want him doing that exclusively, which says to
Speaker 1: me that they need a number one to pair him with.
Speaker 1: So you know, Weber and Jackson are the two that
Speaker 1: we've been looking at, and we'll get a better look
Speaker 1: at him now. If Zeke's not here, Ye, all right,
Speaker 1: We're going to take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some injuries. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about some guys that are starting training camp on
Speaker 1: pop and what that may mean for the Cowboys as
Speaker 1: they get ready for training camp in the preseason and
Speaker 1: even getting ready for the regular season. We'll do that
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Speaker 1: slash football. Back to the Break Welcome back. It is
Speaker 1: the second segment of The Break live from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: This day two of Cowboys training camp team is actually
Speaker 1: out here behind us going through their walkthrough. Practice will
Speaker 1: happen this afternoon at three to thirty pm Pacific time.
Speaker 1: So for those of you in the area that want
Speaker 1: to come out into ten practice, it's an open practice.
Speaker 1: Makes you get out if you happen to see Nick,
Speaker 1: Dave or Amber along the fence line, makes you stop
Speaker 1: before a picture. They are open for business, and we'll
Speaker 1: be open for business about training camp. Open for business
Speaker 1: like we're charging for these pictures. No, just okay, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't I would never do that. But you were suggesting no,
Speaker 1: what I mean open for business. I mean like you're
Speaker 1: open to help out. Got you take a picture and
Speaker 1: nick Hole's babies and all that kind of stuff. You
Speaker 1: one of them, Momi three at a time. That's fine. Three,
Speaker 1: that's the record, yea, And please don't do more because
Speaker 1: I was really nervous that we might have a lawsuit
Speaker 1: after that because I didn't think you're gonna hold them
Speaker 1: all and think, yeah, a few beers. So yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of treacherous there. All right, anyway, let's get back in.
Speaker 1: I do want to catch up on one injury from yesterday.
Speaker 1: In day one of practice s Triston Hill was carted
Speaker 1: off during the practice on Saturday. Do we have any
Speaker 1: updates on what his injury was and what his status
Speaker 1: is at this point. Well, it obviously wasn't as as
Speaker 1: bad as it looks like. Anytime you're carted off the field,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a good thing. But again, this
Speaker 1: is his first training camp practice and it sounds like
Speaker 1: it was just cramps, hamstring may be tightened up on
Speaker 1: him or looking down here, I saw him down there,
Speaker 1: down down there, and in the walk through his grandson
Speaker 1: eyes are better than others. He's definitely down there. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's good. That's that's good for him. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's easy to poke fun because we wait all summer
Speaker 1: and then these two practices are are very boring. Offense
Speaker 1: doesn't go against defense and seventy three degrees. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's exactly that's exactly why they do it. Is it's
Speaker 1: it's I mean, then you know that's what you said.
Speaker 1: I know, give me our time. That was pointed at me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure because I was just like, it's seventy three degrees.
Speaker 1: How do you get the hydrated seventy three degree? I
Speaker 1: give it, but whatever Again, I like I said yesterday,
Speaker 1: I think if you did all that in your hotel
Speaker 1: room and went for for an hour and a half,
Speaker 1: you can still if you're not in the best shape
Speaker 1: you need to be in. And that was the key, right,
Speaker 1: that's the key. And again I'm not saying I don't
Speaker 1: know his condition level. My thought is these guys, as professionals,
Speaker 1: when they have that month month and a half off,
Speaker 1: they're still working out to make sure that when they
Speaker 1: enter training camp they are ready to go. The trainer
Speaker 1: told me a long time ago about especially about rookies.
Speaker 1: Sometimes rookies come in and they don't know the difference
Speaker 1: between being hurt and being sore, and you have to
Speaker 1: kind of go through that a little bit, and it's
Speaker 1: hard for the trainers to kind of know that and
Speaker 1: to see, all right, this is something you just have
Speaker 1: to keep grinding through or this is a serious thing.
Speaker 1: So you know. But this is the reason why they
Speaker 1: do these two boring practices, right, kind of get your
Speaker 1: feet underneath you, get used to going through football stuff.
Speaker 1: See if you got any problems with your muscles and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know what the long
Speaker 1: term outlook is for Tristan. It doesn't look too serious
Speaker 1: if he's walked through. But that's why they do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's on your you know agenda here
Speaker 1: about talking about positions that are going to be problematic
Speaker 1: or could be. But defensive tackles the one I think
Speaker 1: could really hurt this team. And I think them in
Speaker 1: a smart move now to draft that with their first pick,
Speaker 1: because when you look at yeah, they won seven of
Speaker 1: their last nine or eight of ten or whatever it was,
Speaker 1: but the two that they lost, they got completely dashed
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. The Colts ran all
Speaker 1: over them. The Rams ran all over them all night.
Speaker 1: And I think that's an area that they have shown
Speaker 1: they can get pushed around a little bit. And so
Speaker 1: I know. Laton Vanderesh was asked yesterday about what about
Speaker 1: that Rams game, said I'm not worried about it. Well,
Speaker 1: somebody needs to be worried about the way they played
Speaker 1: and make sure that that doesn't happen again. Let me
Speaker 1: make this clarification. I want to give you a chance
Speaker 1: to clarify. It seemed to me during that game that
Speaker 1: a lot of particularly the Rams game, a lot of
Speaker 1: the issues that were happening weren't necessary. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: they were lining up and they were playing power football.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of misdirection. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that was happening that I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: got caught out of position a lot of times, So
Speaker 1: it wasn't so much getting pushed around, which I think
Speaker 1: is a unique distinction that should be made. Do you
Speaker 1: agree with that? Do you disagree? Disagree? Because because what
Speaker 1: does Marion Ellie love from his defensive tackles? What does
Speaker 1: he want them to do? Get up the field? Do
Speaker 1: what disrupt the passer rush, the quarterback rushman. He calls
Speaker 1: him that. That sounds great. Sometimes you can use those
Speaker 1: guys to your advantage. So put, whether it's pushed around
Speaker 1: or allowing you to go this way. In opening up
Speaker 1: the game, there's a running back that I never even
Speaker 1: heard of that was going all over on you know
Speaker 1: them in the Indianapolis game. I mean Marlon Mack. I
Speaker 1: mean I'd heard of him some, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, not a household name. And so I just
Speaker 1: think sometimes that scheme can be used against them. So
Speaker 1: whatever it is, whether it be pushed around or just
Speaker 1: just they there were plenty of running lanes for those
Speaker 1: games and those I think that's the recipe to kind
Speaker 1: of beat the Cowboys and that aggressive defense, the speed
Speaker 1: on linebacker, the speed into the rush, use the rush
Speaker 1: against them. They got to figure out ways to not
Speaker 1: let that happen. I haven't watched the tape of that
Speaker 1: game in a long time, but and the Rams do
Speaker 1: use misdirection. They did it very well in that game.
Speaker 1: But like I can go make a two minute cut
Speaker 1: up of C. J. Anderson runs between the guards, just
Speaker 1: plowing right up the middle of the field, linebackers out
Speaker 1: of position, defensive tackles getting pushed off the ball like
Speaker 1: Big Boy got hurt in that game. Yeah no, and
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, I mean he was playing with like a
Speaker 1: separated shoulder or a bomb shoulder like hurt it in
Speaker 1: the second quarter. I get all that, but they got
Speaker 1: blown off the ball in both of those games. And
Speaker 1: I do think that is something to watch here. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing with repetition. It can be a bad
Speaker 1: thing for you whence you train a certain way and
Speaker 1: you repeat that over and over. And yes, it may
Speaker 1: work for you most of the times. When you're playing
Speaker 1: a team like that that is starting to get so creative,
Speaker 1: your instincts have to be able to follow that and
Speaker 1: adjust at the moment and not be able to do
Speaker 1: the same thing that you do over and over. You know.
Speaker 1: As far as the linebackers, that was one thing that
Speaker 1: Laton had been doing all year. I thought his instincts
Speaker 1: were so good. And when you talk about Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: that's one of his best abilities. To me, Shan Lee,
Speaker 1: his instants are amazing, That's what That was something that
Speaker 1: Jalen had to work on, and I think he improved
Speaker 1: on that last year. So that takes you have to
Speaker 1: consider that instincts and be able to react in the moment.
Speaker 1: But that was part of what I was saying about
Speaker 1: the misdirection. I think for a lot of the plays
Speaker 1: I saw with the linebackers, they were just out of position.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like somebody was on them and they couldn't
Speaker 1: get off blocks. They couldn't get off blocks because they
Speaker 1: had already taken a false step and when they took
Speaker 1: the false step, now they can't recover rights. It was
Speaker 1: there was so much in that game to me that
Speaker 1: was about to be blung with you. It was about coaching.
Speaker 1: It was about the fact that the way that they
Speaker 1: were attacking the Cowboys, the Cowboys just weren't responding well
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, I mean either way, it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: talking about the strength guys or whatever. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: if you're in the right you know, just like boxing,
Speaker 1: if you're in the wrong position, you get knocked out.
Speaker 1: I mean, so it doesn't really matter about what it is,
Speaker 1: whether it be pushed off the ball or got yourself
Speaker 1: ran yourself out of the play. But one of the
Speaker 1: things that that Amber was talking about with the linebackers
Speaker 1: that made me think about. I think you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a little bit more clarity of who's going to be
Speaker 1: on the field, no more feelings when we've already you know,
Speaker 1: slashed Shawn Lee's salary here, so like the feelings are
Speaker 1: out the window. You're not just one of the starting
Speaker 1: linebackers anymore. In fact, they talked about and playing special teams.
Speaker 1: There should be no situation when Layton designed on the
Speaker 1: field on third and seven for the season on the line,
Speaker 1: your best two linebackers need to be playing. That's the
Speaker 1: that's the deal. And hopefully that will happen more and
Speaker 1: you won't. You won't find out where why why don't
Speaker 1: they have Jalen on the field here? You know why
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee here? If it's a big drop off, and
Speaker 1: I think it is, I think it's now it's clear
Speaker 1: these top two guys and then Shaun Lee. All right,
Speaker 1: let's jump into some of the guys that are starting
Speaker 1: training camp on PUP. There are four guys, and really
Speaker 1: there are two of them that are most concerned about.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, Tyrone Crawford, Byron Jones, Noel Brown, all of
Speaker 1: PUP to start a training camp. The two I'm most
Speaker 1: concerned about though, DeMarcus Lawrence and Byron Jones. How much
Speaker 1: are you guys concerned or you think the Cowboys should
Speaker 1: be concerned with the fact that there are two players who,
Speaker 1: by all accounts were probably maybe the two best defensive
Speaker 1: players you had on your team, two of the three
Speaker 1: best players. Let's say that two of the best three
Speaker 1: defensive players you had in your team, and both of
Speaker 1: them start the preseason or start training camp on pup
Speaker 1: and there is no real indication of just how something
Speaker 1: they come back. I think most people believe they'll be
Speaker 1: back by the season. There's a chance maybe they aren't
Speaker 1: back by the beginning of the season. How concerned do
Speaker 1: you think the Cowboys should be with that? I think
Speaker 1: at this point I've talked to enough people who know
Speaker 1: what they would be talking about, who think that they
Speaker 1: will be ready for the season. The problem is how
Speaker 1: much work will they have had to get in by
Speaker 1: the time that arrives. Like, you know, is DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: going to hit the practice field real deal for the
Speaker 1: first time on the Wednesday before the Giants game, or
Speaker 1: is he gonna get ten days in August to get
Speaker 1: his feet back underneath them? Matter practices first, d Law
Speaker 1: or Zeke oh Um, good question? Damn uh, d Law.
Speaker 1: I think I think I think that is that that's
Speaker 1: that's I think. I question. I think it was. I
Speaker 1: think d Law is gonna start practicing when we're back
Speaker 1: in Texas between the final two preseason games or you know,
Speaker 1: around that time, like the you know, the part of
Speaker 1: camp where everybody's like enough of this, we're done, you know,
Speaker 1: let's yeah. Uh, I don't know. I don't feel as
Speaker 1: confident about Byron. Uh it's a hip. He's recovering from
Speaker 1: hip surgery. That's like everything when you play the cornerback position. Uh,
Speaker 1: So I wonder about that. So I think they'll both
Speaker 1: be ready for the season. I just wonder how much
Speaker 1: work they will get. And that is concerning because that's important.
Speaker 1: Even if you're an all pro, that's important. You can't
Speaker 1: rush it. Then comes another injury, the true which I
Speaker 1: think they're being smart about that for the record. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, Zeke, you feel these different
Speaker 1: levels of alarm or interest because like he could be here,
Speaker 1: but he's not. You know, like they're just they're not
Speaker 1: ready and there's no sense in rushing them back. I
Speaker 1: think they're being smart about it. If they can get
Speaker 1: some reps in August, that's fantastic. But if they're ready
Speaker 1: for the season, they're all pro players. Hopefully they can
Speaker 1: figure it out as they go. It's not ideal, but
Speaker 1: it is what it is, So I don't I don't
Speaker 1: feel concerned. I'm just kind of like, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's what it is. The schedule makers helped them
Speaker 1: out because if there's two positions that the Giants have
Speaker 1: been talked about a lot, is that their offensive line
Speaker 1: has not been that good. And I don't know who's
Speaker 1: playing receiver. They have a lot of products right now.
Speaker 1: A wide receivers, I don't know. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If Golden Tay doesn't win his appeal, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the top three wide receiver presumably the top
Speaker 1: three wide receivers will all be out against the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: or one could be back, but it would be is
Speaker 1: he would be just after having no training camp. Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown starting dish doesn't seem such a bad idea, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, if that happens, then who knows, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll have somebody that emerges. But but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: and then the offensive line that they've had some some
Speaker 1: missues there. But I think I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: feel like, and I've always said this for years, when
Speaker 1: you start skateboarding, you know you're getting close to on
Speaker 1: your way back. And so said years for years, we
Speaker 1: always say when you skateboard around through training camps, like
Speaker 1: being on the courts. When you get on the courts,
Speaker 1: you're new, it's the new thing. So when you skateboard,
Speaker 1: you're you're a couple of steps from being back. Byron
Speaker 1: Jones was doing that. I think he's I think this,
Speaker 1: like you said, just being you know, cautious about it.
Speaker 1: No sense here you think, Byron practice is here. I
Speaker 1: do not law. I think I feel like you will
Speaker 1: practice a little bit work into practice. Okay, So all
Speaker 1: that being said, I talked a little bit earlier about
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and how he says, when guys are out
Speaker 1: of creates opportunities. Let's start at the defensive end position.
Speaker 1: What guys get the best opportunity With DeMarcus not being
Speaker 1: out here during camps. Don't forget about Tyron Crawford either.
Speaker 1: He's on up as well. So your longest Tyrone's probably
Speaker 1: not a starter at this point because Robert Quinn is here,
Speaker 1: but your longest tenured end, one of the you know
Speaker 1: spark plus because of your defensive line. This is this
Speaker 1: is a golden opportunity for Taco Charlton to do something
Speaker 1: out dude carry hid or two. But not only that,
Speaker 1: maybe last chance like this, maybe Taco's chance to actually
Speaker 1: do something where he ends up staying on this team,
Speaker 1: Like he's got to show him something. I think you
Speaker 1: are in. You are in the territory now where that
Speaker 1: is a post that is a feasible conversation where you're like,
Speaker 1: if this guy is really not giving us anything, what's
Speaker 1: the point? Just the fact that you feel like as
Speaker 1: a Cowboys organization, you had to go out and sign
Speaker 1: a guy like Robert Quinn. We have a first round
Speaker 1: pick entering when he should be Henry embarrassing as a
Speaker 1: little but calent acquisitions three twenty three, sixty five, twenty four.
Speaker 1: You know, like, what is he into his third th year?
Speaker 1: You would expect that a pass rusher by entering his
Speaker 1: third year should be showing you enough where you don't
Speaker 1: have to go out of spin. That absolutely Quin ended
Speaker 1: back they did is the biggest indictment. It's you know,
Speaker 1: actually a bit of a tangent. I'm sorry, but the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals cut Robert Candici yesterday. They're first round history
Speaker 1: is atrocious, like going back to like twenty twelve, they
Speaker 1: have not hit on anybody, like their best pick in
Speaker 1: the first round. He could take out first round no,
Speaker 1: because they found you know, they found Tyron Matthew, they
Speaker 1: found I'm just saying, oh no, yeah, I'm in their
Speaker 1: draft history. But their first round history sucks out loud.
Speaker 1: There's no nice way to say it out loud. Which
Speaker 1: but then you look at the Cowboys and it's like
Speaker 1: it's so good, and that makes Tacco look even worse
Speaker 1: because there's an All Pro on that. I mean, Layton
Speaker 1: was an All Pro as a rookie. Zeke is the
Speaker 1: best running back in the league, Byron made All Pro
Speaker 1: last year, DeMarcus got paid one hundred million dollars, Zach
Speaker 1: Martin and on and on and on and Tyron, yeah
Speaker 1: it is. And here you are. They've even got a
Speaker 1: point now with their second round as a becoming net right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, and here you are now saying, damn Tacco.
Speaker 1: If you this is your opportunity to get some stops.
Speaker 1: You can do it. It's not great, but so I
Speaker 1: mean he was He's the first He's the first string
Speaker 1: left end right now without Tyrone and Demark. Guess so
Speaker 1: big for him. Carry hiders. Another guy Nick mentioned him
Speaker 1: um Dorian's armstrong, very very excited to see if he
Speaker 1: can make that patented year or two jump to draft
Speaker 1: picks too. Joe Jackson and Jalen Jelks. Both those guys
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know they're gonna factor into this
Speaker 1: mix as well. I don't forget Randy Gregory could show
Speaker 1: up in a moment, right That's Jalen Jelks is my
Speaker 1: guy that I believe is going to do something. You
Speaker 1: have you've been on him, I don't know. It's which
Speaker 1: is interesting because most people, most people ride off the
Speaker 1: guy that's wearing Bob Lilly's number. They're like, oh, if
Speaker 1: you gave him seventy four, he doesn't have a future
Speaker 1: I or you just right off the fact he's gonna
Speaker 1: be wearing that. Well, sure, I know change, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And we've been burned by the guys that look you
Speaker 1: know that look the part. There's a lot of really
Speaker 1: good guys out there that get cut. Joe Jackson looks
Speaker 1: the fricking party he I mean, so there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some competition there. Definitely talk about the cornerback position real
Speaker 1: quick before we before we leave Jordan, Lewis, Donovan Olumba,
Speaker 1: what kind of what cornerbacks could possibly pop up here
Speaker 1: and get some opportunities. Obviously, Anthony Brown is still gonna
Speaker 1: be of the mix as a you know, starter caliber guy, Mike,
Speaker 1: but who who really gets a get some opportunities here
Speaker 1: to kind of impress Mike Jackson's a great answer. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the opportunity to cheerlead for Jordan because
Speaker 1: the longer Buyron sits, the more Jordan is a starter.
Speaker 1: And that's awesome for me. I mean, I love the guy.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. We've beating it into
Speaker 1: the ground. I think it's unfortunate, you know, they change
Speaker 1: schemes right after he got drafted, But this is an
Speaker 1: opportunity for him to prove his merit and if he
Speaker 1: does well, he could either find a bigger role for
Speaker 1: himself or you know, I don't want him to get traded,
Speaker 1: but maybe you know, you could use him as you
Speaker 1: know that type of you know, business of the NFL,
Speaker 1: all that good type of stuff. Yeah, maybe he could
Speaker 1: improve his standing in the league with a good showing
Speaker 1: at training camp one way or the other. Christopher Shard
Speaker 1: loves a big, long cornerbacks. That's his second favorite thing
Speaker 1: about a cornerback. This first one. It's gotta be that
Speaker 1: he likes corners that make plays. That's what all defensive
Speaker 1: coaches want. Yeah, so do that offset the second part
Speaker 1: by going out there and making play and for some reason,
Speaker 1: the ball finds him a lot fun recoveries things like
Speaker 1: you you know, he just needs to clean up his
Speaker 1: game just a little more and he can be so
Speaker 1: good like we've seen him. He has the talent. He
Speaker 1: just needs to take advantage of those opportunities, clean up
Speaker 1: his game, and then he'll be in everybody's eyeball. Keep
Speaker 1: him on defense, you know, please don't do that. It's
Speaker 1: you see it all the time where coaches have a
Speaker 1: kind of a prototype of what they want up for
Speaker 1: particular players as far as size and and and length
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But I saw it
Speaker 1: with Parcels when he came in and his linebackers and
Speaker 1: we got here. He actually had two linebackers with that
Speaker 1: with the exact opposite what he typically one. He had
Speaker 1: Dexter Cokeley at dat Win and by the end of
Speaker 1: that first year, I remember him saying those guys are
Speaker 1: in my respect, and I think it's the same thing here.
Speaker 1: There's an opportunity for Jordan to earn the respect of
Speaker 1: Chris Rashard from the standpoint and saying he may not
Speaker 1: be my prototypical guy, but he earned the right to
Speaker 1: be able to be among my starting or playing cornerbacks
Speaker 1: because of how point he can play. Having said all
Speaker 1: of that, Mike Jackson is right. That dude can tie
Speaker 1: his shoes standing straight up like I'm believable. He can
Speaker 1: do a group hug over here. He is. He's running
Speaker 1: with the second string. I mean, okay, they're not really practicing,
Speaker 1: but he is working with the second string as a
Speaker 1: Day three rookie, Day three pick, as a rookie second string.
Speaker 1: He's got all the measurables. So if he lives up
Speaker 1: to what Richard saw on him, and I have heard
Speaker 1: that he was a Chris Richard special. He loved him,
Speaker 1: that'll be exciting. All right. We appreciate you guys joining us.
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