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Speaker 1: To our very first edition of The Break live from Oxnard, California.

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Speaker 1: It is day two of Cowboys camp. Here. It's our

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Speaker 1: first time on the air this uh, this camp, and

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Speaker 1: we're excited to be back, excited to be on the air,

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Speaker 1: excited to be talking Cowboys football for the twenty nineteen season.

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Speaker 1: Got my crew here, Nick, Amber, Dave, how's everybody doing

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Speaker 1: this morning? Awesome? So good? That's awesome. All right. So

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Speaker 1: we got a lot to get into today. Since we

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Speaker 1: haven't been on the air in a while, I thought

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Speaker 1: it would be a good idea for us to start

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Speaker 1: with some questions. I have a little game I'm gonna play.

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Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be a fill in the blank. I

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Speaker 1: have four questions, or actually four sentences for you guys,

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Speaker 1: and I will leave a blank and I'll ask each

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the first one. We've arrived in

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Speaker 1: sunny Oxnard, and expectations for this team are blank, Nick,

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Speaker 1: very high, very high, very high, higher than they've been

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Speaker 1: in the last ten years. Got it, Dave? Sky high? Oh,

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Speaker 1: very high in sky high? Okay? I high, right, Amber,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to surpress that in my English

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Speaker 1: vocabulary doesn't expand that much. But to the Galaxy, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean we talk about contracts, we talk about young

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Speaker 1: guys are are making creating a new team, and yes,

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Speaker 1: that's fresh and everything. He's exciting, but that's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: the case for Jason Garrett, who is coming to an

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Speaker 1: end of from his contract. So this is a very

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Speaker 1: important year. It's either he makes it or he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Everything that's happened since last season indicates that the divisional

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Speaker 1: rounds not good enough. The head coach won the division

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Speaker 1: and got to the second round of the playoffs, he

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Speaker 1: does not have a new deal. As it stands right now,

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Speaker 1: everybody and their mother on this team is asking for

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Speaker 1: astronomical amounts of money. Whether it's the running back who's

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Speaker 1: not here, or the quarterback, or the receiver or even

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Speaker 1: you know, guys like Jalen Smith that aren't on the radar.

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Speaker 1: They want money too. It sounds like they got a

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Speaker 1: hell of a lot of good players, and it sounds

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Speaker 1: like they're not happy enough with their coach getting to

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Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs. They've added a couple

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Speaker 1: Pro bowlers in the off season. Yeah, like, what what

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Speaker 1: we all agree expectations are extremely high. What's the biggest threat, Well,

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Speaker 1: the biggest threat to this expectation is blank, Nick, I

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Speaker 1: think it's injury. I mean, I know that's probably an

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Speaker 1: easy thing to say, but but you know, like Dave said,

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Speaker 1: this is a really good roster. It was a good

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Speaker 1: roster last year. It got better. We think it got

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Speaker 1: better this year with Frederick coming back, went and coming back,

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Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, Robert Quinn. So the thing that's gonna stop

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Speaker 1: it is injuries, and especially at positions were the backups

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Speaker 1: because it's very top heavy with good players. I don't

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Speaker 1: know from one to fifty three how great it is amber,

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Speaker 1: you know, going back to injuries, that is something that

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Speaker 1: And for some reason, that always stays in my mind,

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Speaker 1: like when you have a big contract coming up, there

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Speaker 1: may be a possible injury coming up, and then all

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Speaker 1: I just said it. They've had three straight winning seasons,

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Speaker 1: They've won the division two out of the last three years.

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett has been to the second round of the

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Speaker 1: playoffs twice, no three times, three times, and there is

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Speaker 1: not a fan base in the history of sports that

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Speaker 1: those credentials. Clearly, ownership might not light the ownership wants

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you believe that everything changes for this team? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into that a little bit deeper when

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Speaker 1: of questionings though, although those sentences, despite those big threats,

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Speaker 1: obviously Zeke makes a big difference. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: way too early on the record. Prediction for this team

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Speaker 1: or eleven win team. I really do. But I think

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Speaker 1: the division with one of the best rosters in the

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Speaker 1: only good enough for a wild card. Okay, Amber, Um,

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Speaker 1: I hate this. I'm just gonna go with eleven. I

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Speaker 1: sounds good. Yeah, eleven and five. Dave is ten and six?

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Speaker 1: You're eleven and five? Yes, all right, Nick, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: ten and six and that. And that's gonna be hard,

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Speaker 1: just you're saying those are easy wins. No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying those games are always tough. They're always tough,

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Speaker 1: and so you know when and every team's got division,

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Speaker 1: Zeke is doing. I really do. I want to get

427
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,639
Speaker 1: that out there. I think he should ask for more money,

428
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 1: he should do it now. And and I've said all

429
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 1: along I thought he should be the top priority, and

430
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 1: so I think he's got leverage. I don't look at

431
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 1: it like mah, he's he's he should honor a contract.

432
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,199
Speaker 1: I hate that argument. Alan hearns they didn't honor his

433
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,879
Speaker 1: you know, and he did everything he could get back.

434
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 1: They don't honor contract. What it is is not At

435
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you have to look out

436
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 1: for yourself. Cowboys to look out for themselves, and you

437
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 1: as a player, you have to look out for yourself.

438
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,440
Speaker 1: This is a business business, right, I think he's doing

439
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 1: I actually think he's doing the right thing. But by

440
00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 1: doing this, I don't think this is going to be

441
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 1: a quick fix. I think he's gonna have to go

442
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: into September. I'm because if if in two okay, well yeah,

443
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 1: I guess seem no into September, but I mean that's

444
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 1: game week. That's game week starts on the second. I think,

445
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,640
Speaker 1: when when are you gonna be in Austin. I'm gonna

446
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 1: be in No LSU, Texas is the seventh. That's the

447
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,199
Speaker 1: Saturday before the opener horns down. We can have that

448
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 1: conversation against it. Okay, Yeah, I'm fine. It's a flag.

449
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 1: Um so September Labor Day. Roster cuts will be August thirty. First, Yeah,

450
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 1: you start looking, you start working towards the Giants on

451
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 1: September first and second, that's okay. YouTube mention. You think

452
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: it'll still I mean, okay, I could see that. I

453
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: hope not. That sounds stressful. Obviously, don't though. I don't

454
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 1: think it's gonna last that long. I don't either, But

455
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: then what's the point. Here's the I'm not I'm not

456
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna he's gonna Cave. What I believe is, um,

457
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: I think when you have two parties that both want

458
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: the same thing, which is they both want Zeke to

459
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: be here, I think that gives them reason to say, Okay,

460
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 1: let's figure this thing out. It's when you run into problems,

461
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: is when you've got kind of mismatched expectations. You got

462
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 1: one side that wants to be there more than the other, right,

463
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: and then it's kind of like, well, yeah, I kind

464
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: of want it, but I don't really want it, And

465
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 1: that's when you got problems. Both of them firmly want

466
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 1: Zeke to be here, and so if both the Cowboys

467
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: and Zeke's representatives want the same thing, they'll figure out

468
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 1: how to make it work. And I honestly don't believe that.

469
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: I think there are probably a few things that they

470
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: have to try to figure out where they may be

471
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: far apart. They all know he's gonna get paid. They

472
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: all know he's probably gonna get something. I would guess

473
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: they would all know he's gonna get something in the

474
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: range if not more than Todd Gurley. What they got

475
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: to figure out is how you divvy that up. What's

476
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,479
Speaker 1: the guaranteed money, how do you create language that protects

477
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: the cowboys in the event that Zeke Runt finds himself

478
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: running a file of the commissioner. Those are the kinds

479
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: of things I would expect are probably going to be

480
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: the negotiating points. But again, if everybody wants to get there,

481
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: Usually when negotiate Asians are like that, he works itself out.

482
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna come to a conclusion here,

483
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: and I would I would suspect personally give it two weeks.

484
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: I would think they probably get a deal, and you're hearing, hey,

485
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: there's a new deal for Zeke out there, That's what

486
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,959
Speaker 1: I would guess. I'm fascinated because Stephen Jones is pretty blunt,

487
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: like I mean, he's not gonna tell you everything, but

488
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: like you can piece some of the stuff together. What

489
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: was fascinating to me was on Friday he was talking

490
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: about all three of these guys, you know, Daka, Mari,

491
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: and he was like, these will get done, Like this

492
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: is not a matter of if it's gonna happen, Like

493
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: he said, we're gonna come to an agreement with Amari

494
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: quote for sure, and Zeke he's you know talking about

495
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, like we gotta make it work for both

496
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: of us. Same thing for Dak. It's not a matter

497
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: of like, well, you know, we might want to play

498
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: a franchise tag with this guy. I know, it sounds

499
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: like they very much plan on getting this done. And

500
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: then after the press conference, Stephen Jones is like, all

501
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 1: three of these guys have offers on the table, and

502
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: we're bas like, which is to say, we're waiting for

503
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: their counter offer, which is to say, if you really

504
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: read between the lines, they're saying we're not interested and

505
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: like they want too much right now. You know, that's

506
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: kind of the whisper on Dak's deal and its negotiations,

507
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: of course, and it's a very poorly kept secret, Like

508
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: it certainly seems like Amari Cooper's team is waiting to

509
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: see what Michael Thomas and Julio Jones get paid, which

510
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: I don't blame them at all, because Michael Thomas is

511
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: holding out as well. So it's one of those things

512
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 1: where like it's going to take a minute for these

513
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 1: dominoes to fall, but once they do, like I wouldn't

514
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: be shocked if all three of these guys are signed

515
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: before the season starts. I don't know if that will happen,

516
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: but it would not surprise because again, the cowboys want

517
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: that to happen. Yeah, cowboys want all these three guys,

518
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 1: and they want them under contract, and they want them

519
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: under longer term contracts so they feel good about where

520
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: they are right now and where they are in the

521
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: next couple of years. One press conference that would be

522
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: all three. How you talk about from a market standpoint, markability?

523
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: If they did that, you know, new triplets, without a doubt,

524
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: new triplets right there. And I mean I know a

525
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: guy who sits in an office above us at the

526
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: Star who would be really happy about that, which one

527
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: a lot of row of offices above a lot of

528
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: typically our friend who runs the merchandising to partab. Yeah,

529
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm sure he can be very very excited. All right,

530
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this on that same topic.

531
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: Talk to me at about the priority. Is there a

532
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: priority with these three or is it just kind of

533
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 1: like whichever one kind of falls in line happens when

534
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: it happens. He set me up fantastically like I'm I'm

535
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: so fascinated by that, and I want to understand it,

536
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: and I just don't know, I don't know if I can.

537
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: I Actually I talked to Stephen Jones about that where

538
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, typically when we come to camp,

539
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: it's it's Tyring needs a deal or Travis needs a deal.

540
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: Like we've never seen this before where you need three

541
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: guys signed at once, and he's all very important, yeah,

542
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: and he's just like yeah, you know, like we're in

543
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: good caps. I'm like, do you need to sign him

544
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: Maori first because he's got the highest salary. Do you

545
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: need to sign Dak first because it's the biggest number

546
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: and it kind of sets the table what's going on?

547
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: And he's like, hey, you know, it just it'll work

548
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: itself out like that. He's like, we've juggled four and

549
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: five at a time, Like, you know, if if we

550
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: want to do four deals at once, we can do four.

551
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 1: If we want to do five, we can do I'm

552
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: and I'm just like that doesn't make sense to my

553
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: very bad math brain. But if you say so, Stephen,

554
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: then I guess it's true. So he's just kind of like,

555
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: whoever's willing to play ball first, I think that's who

556
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: gets the deal. Like, I don't think there's really any

557
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: order to it. I disagree. I think there is a priority.

558
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: I think it's Zeke. He's the guy where he's the

559
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: one that's making He doesn't look like he's going to

560
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: play without a deal. I don't whatever, But was that

561
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: the priority before he held out? Because I personally made

562
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: him I personally and that's why he he just did

563
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: one of his patent hurdles right over and said, what's

564
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: this Now, I'm a priority? And I I agree with

565
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: them because going back to what Stephen Jones said, he's

566
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: the straw that stirs the drink. That's what he said.

567
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: So you know, if that's the case, then it's like,

568
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: let's mix it up. I've spent enough time around Amari

569
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: Cooper to believe him when he says he's not really

570
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: worried about it. And to his point, I mean, he's

571
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: scheduled to make fourteen million dollars this year, so like,

572
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not that upset number four out there.

573
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like. I think I think

574
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: he cares a little bit more than he's going to

575
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: say in a press conference setting, like what's he making

576
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: this year? He's making two million, which is only because

577
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: of how many snaps he's played over the last four years.

578
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: He should be making like six hundred thousand, and but

579
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: even at two million, I mean, I don't know how

580
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: to do the numbers on this, but I would argue

581
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: he is the most underplayed, underpaid athlete in all of sports.

582
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: Bet you there's all any sport, all of them. I

583
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: bet you there's a third quarterback on a roster that

584
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: might make more than Yeah, I would Yeah, I would

585
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: be willing the third quarterback that was definitely definitely definitely backup.

586
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: You're a good backup, you know. I mean, what's the

587
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: what's the Dave looklike out there? What's his name? Ryan Fitzpatrick? Yeah,

588
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm on the Soda Weight loss Challenge now, So I'm

589
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: not going to have the gut that Ryan Fitzpatrick had

590
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: when he reported about So tell us about the Soda challenge. No,

591
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: nobody wants to hear about that, talk about talk about

592
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: that by the day ten. Yeah, yeah, you're searching for topics. Um, okay.

593
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: So that all being said, let's move on to Jason

594
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: and kind of how he looks at this whole thing.

595
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: I think Jason's big takeaway for me, at least, was

596
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: that when guys are out, it creates opportunities for other guys.

597
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: It means that there's a chance for other guys to

598
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: get on the field and show what they can do,

599
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: and not just for themselves, but also for the team.

600
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: So the team knows, hey, we got a good, viable

601
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: option and maybe we were thinking he's just a backup.

602
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: Maybe we got to work him in a little bit more.

603
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: That being said, who do you think has the greatest

604
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: opportunity with Zeke being out? Is it Darius Jackson, Mike Webber,

605
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: or Tony Pollard? I honestly think it's Darius Jackson, because well,

606
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is what he I mean, he's a fourth

607
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: round pick. He's by I mean, if you pulled them anonymously,

608
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: I think they'd say he's the draft pick they're the

609
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: most excited about this year. He's here and they're going

610
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: to find a role for him or try to. So

611
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: I don't worry about him. But I mean, Darius Jackson

612
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 1: is the guy that gets forgotten about because they drafted

613
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: Mike Webber and he's the most experienced guy. He got

614
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: the first crack at the first team reps yesterday. He's

615
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: the one that has the chance to make the biggest

616
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: statement because these other guys are the shiny new toys, right,

617
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they're already excited to see them, whereas you

618
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of push out the older guy. And so I

619
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: think any opportunity that he can get to take reps

620
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: is going to be great for him. And even if

621
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: it's not with the Cowboys, it could be great for

622
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: him to get that tape out there for another team

623
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: to see. I think he's just a good, great combination

624
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: of a guy that could be at every down back.

625
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: He's got some speed as well. I think Tony Pollard

626
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: is the Felix Jones to when they had Marian Barber.

627
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, Pollard will be great if they got Zeke,

628
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: but if they don't have Zeke, I still think he's

629
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: going to be number two all the way. I don't

630
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: think anybody's nobody's looking at him to be the lead back.

631
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean that that was kind of the scouting report

632
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: on him coming out, as you know, Stephen Jones even

633
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: see he's like he can run between the tackles more

634
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: than he gets credit for. But I still don't know

635
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: if you want him doing that exclusively, which says to

636
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: me that they need a number one to pair him with.

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Speaker 1: the second segment of The Break live from Oxnard, California.

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Speaker 1: This day two of Cowboys training camp team is actually

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Speaker 1: out here behind us going through their walkthrough. Practice will

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Speaker 1: happen this afternoon at three to thirty pm Pacific time.

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Speaker 1: So for those of you in the area that want

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Speaker 1: to come out into ten practice, it's an open practice.

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Speaker 1: Makes you get out if you happen to see Nick,

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Speaker 1: Dave or Amber along the fence line, makes you stop

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Speaker 1: before a picture. They are open for business, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be open for business about training camp. Open for business

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Speaker 1: like we're charging for these pictures. No, just okay, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't I would never do that. But you were suggesting no,

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Speaker 1: what I mean open for business. I mean like you're

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Speaker 1: open to help out. Got you take a picture and

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Speaker 1: nick Hole's babies and all that kind of stuff. You

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Speaker 1: one of them, Momi three at a time. That's fine. Three,

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Speaker 1: that's the record, yea, And please don't do more because

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Speaker 1: I was really nervous that we might have a lawsuit

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Speaker 1: after that because I didn't think you're gonna hold them

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Speaker 1: all and think, yeah, a few beers. So yeah, kind

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Speaker 1: of treacherous there. All right, anyway, let's get back in.

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Speaker 1: I do want to catch up on one injury from yesterday.

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Speaker 1: In day one of practice s Triston Hill was carted

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Speaker 1: off during the practice on Saturday. Do we have any

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Speaker 1: updates on what his injury was and what his status

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Speaker 1: is at this point. Well, it obviously wasn't as as

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Speaker 1: bad as it looks like. Anytime you're carted off the field,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a good thing. But again, this

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Speaker 1: is his first training camp practice and it sounds like

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Speaker 1: it was just cramps, hamstring may be tightened up on

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Speaker 1: him or looking down here, I saw him down there,

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Speaker 1: down down there, and in the walk through his grandson

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Speaker 1: eyes are better than others. He's definitely down there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well that's good. That's that's good for him. That's I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's easy to poke fun because we wait all summer

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Speaker 1: and then these two practices are are very boring. Offense

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Speaker 1: doesn't go against defense and seventy three degrees. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that's exactly that's exactly why they do it. Is it's

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, then you know that's what you said.

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Speaker 1: I know, give me our time. That was pointed at me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure because I was just like, it's seventy three degrees.

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Speaker 1: How do you get the hydrated seventy three degree? I

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Speaker 1: give it, but whatever Again, I like I said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I think if you did all that in your hotel

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Speaker 1: room and went for for an hour and a half,

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Speaker 1: you can still if you're not in the best shape

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Speaker 1: you need to be in. And that was the key, right,

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Speaker 1: that's the key. And again I'm not saying I don't

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Speaker 1: know his condition level. My thought is these guys, as professionals,

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Speaker 1: when they have that month month and a half off,

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Speaker 1: they're still working out to make sure that when they

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Speaker 1: enter training camp they are ready to go. The trainer

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Speaker 1: told me a long time ago about especially about rookies.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes rookies come in and they don't know the difference

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Speaker 1: between being hurt and being sore, and you have to

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Speaker 1: kind of go through that a little bit, and it's

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Speaker 1: hard for the trainers to kind of know that and

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00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: to see, all right, this is something you just have

746
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: to keep grinding through or this is a serious thing.

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Speaker 1: So you know. But this is the reason why they

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Speaker 1: do these two boring practices, right, kind of get your

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Speaker 1: feet underneath you, get used to going through football stuff.

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Speaker 1: See if you got any problems with your muscles and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know what the long

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Speaker 1: term outlook is for Tristan. It doesn't look too serious

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Speaker 1: if he's walked through. But that's why they do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's on your you know agenda here

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00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: about talking about positions that are going to be problematic

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Speaker 1: or could be. But defensive tackles the one I think

757
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: could really hurt this team. And I think them in

758
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: a smart move now to draft that with their first pick,

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00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: because when you look at yeah, they won seven of

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Speaker 1: their last nine or eight of ten or whatever it was,

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Speaker 1: but the two that they lost, they got completely dashed

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. The Colts ran all

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Speaker 1: over them. The Rams ran all over them all night.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's an area that they have shown

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Speaker 1: they can get pushed around a little bit. And so

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Speaker 1: I know. Laton Vanderesh was asked yesterday about what about

767
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: that Rams game, said I'm not worried about it. Well,

768
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: somebody needs to be worried about the way they played

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Speaker 1: and make sure that that doesn't happen again. Let me

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00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: make this clarification. I want to give you a chance

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Speaker 1: to clarify. It seemed to me during that game that

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Speaker 1: a lot of particularly the Rams game, a lot of

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00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: the issues that were happening weren't necessary. It wasn't like

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00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: they were lining up and they were playing power football.

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00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: It was a lot of misdirection. There was a lot

776
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: of stuff that was happening that I think the Cowboys

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00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: got caught out of position a lot of times, So

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Speaker 1: it wasn't so much getting pushed around, which I think

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00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: is a unique distinction that should be made. Do you

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Speaker 1: agree with that? Do you disagree? Disagree? Because because what

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00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: does Marion Ellie love from his defensive tackles? What does

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00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: he want them to do? Get up the field? Do

783
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: what disrupt the passer rush, the quarterback rushman. He calls

784
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: him that. That sounds great. Sometimes you can use those

785
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: guys to your advantage. So put, whether it's pushed around

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Speaker 1: or allowing you to go this way. In opening up

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Speaker 1: the game, there's a running back that I never even

788
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: heard of that was going all over on you know

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Speaker 1: them in the Indianapolis game. I mean Marlon Mack. I

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00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: mean I'd heard of him some, but I mean, yeah,

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00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, not a household name. And so I just

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00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: think sometimes that scheme can be used against them. So

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, whether it be pushed around or just

794
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: just they there were plenty of running lanes for those

795
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: games and those I think that's the recipe to kind

796
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: of beat the Cowboys and that aggressive defense, the speed

797
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: on linebacker, the speed into the rush, use the rush

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00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: against them. They got to figure out ways to not

799
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: let that happen. I haven't watched the tape of that

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00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: game in a long time, but and the Rams do

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00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: use misdirection. They did it very well in that game.

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00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: But like I can go make a two minute cut

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00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: up of C. J. Anderson runs between the guards, just

804
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: plowing right up the middle of the field, linebackers out

805
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: of position, defensive tackles getting pushed off the ball like

806
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: Big Boy got hurt in that game. Yeah no, and

807
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, I mean he was playing with like a

808
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: separated shoulder or a bomb shoulder like hurt it in

809
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: the second quarter. I get all that, but they got

810
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: blown off the ball in both of those games. And

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Speaker 1: I do think that is something to watch here. And

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00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: that's the thing with repetition. It can be a bad

813
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: thing for you whence you train a certain way and

814
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: you repeat that over and over. And yes, it may

815
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: work for you most of the times. When you're playing

816
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: a team like that that is starting to get so creative,

817
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: your instincts have to be able to follow that and

818
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: adjust at the moment and not be able to do

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00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: the same thing that you do over and over. You know.

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Speaker 1: As far as the linebackers, that was one thing that

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Speaker 1: Laton had been doing all year. I thought his instincts

822
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: were so good. And when you talk about Sean Lee,

823
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: that's one of his best abilities. To me, Shan Lee,

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00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: his instants are amazing, That's what That was something that

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00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: Jalen had to work on, and I think he improved

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Speaker 1: on that last year. So that takes you have to

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Speaker 1: consider that instincts and be able to react in the moment.

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00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: But that was part of what I was saying about

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Speaker 1: the misdirection. I think for a lot of the plays

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Speaker 1: I saw with the linebackers, they were just out of position.

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00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't like somebody was on them and they couldn't

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00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: get off blocks. They couldn't get off blocks because they

833
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: had already taken a false step and when they took

834
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Speaker 1: the false step, now they can't recover rights. It was

835
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: there was so much in that game to me that

836
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: was about to be blung with you. It was about coaching.

837
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: It was about the fact that the way that they

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00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: were attacking the Cowboys, the Cowboys just weren't responding well

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Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, I mean either way, it's not necessarily

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00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: talking about the strength guys or whatever. I mean, it's

841
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: if you're in the right you know, just like boxing,

842
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: if you're in the wrong position, you get knocked out.

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, so it doesn't really matter about what it is,

844
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: whether it be pushed off the ball or got yourself

845
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: ran yourself out of the play. But one of the

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Speaker 1: things that that Amber was talking about with the linebackers

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Speaker 1: that made me think about. I think you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a little bit more clarity of who's going to be

849
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: on the field, no more feelings when we've already you know,

850
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: slashed Shawn Lee's salary here, so like the feelings are

851
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: out the window. You're not just one of the starting

852
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: linebackers anymore. In fact, they talked about and playing special teams.

853
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: There should be no situation when Layton designed on the

854
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: field on third and seven for the season on the line,

855
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: your best two linebackers need to be playing. That's the

856
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: that's the deal. And hopefully that will happen more and

857
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: you won't. You won't find out where why why don't

858
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: they have Jalen on the field here? You know why

859
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee here? If it's a big drop off, and

860
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: I think it is, I think it's now it's clear

861
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: these top two guys and then Shaun Lee. All right,

862
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: let's jump into some of the guys that are starting

863
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: training camp on PUP. There are four guys, and really

864
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: there are two of them that are most concerned about.

865
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, Tyrone Crawford, Byron Jones, Noel Brown, all of

866
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: PUP to start a training camp. The two I'm most

867
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: concerned about though, DeMarcus Lawrence and Byron Jones. How much

868
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: are you guys concerned or you think the Cowboys should

869
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: be concerned with the fact that there are two players who,

870
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: by all accounts were probably maybe the two best defensive

871
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: players you had on your team, two of the three

872
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: best players. Let's say that two of the best three

873
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: defensive players you had in your team, and both of

874
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: them start the preseason or start training camp on pup

875
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: and there is no real indication of just how something

876
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: they come back. I think most people believe they'll be

877
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: back by the season. There's a chance maybe they aren't

878
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: back by the beginning of the season. How concerned do

879
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: you think the Cowboys should be with that? I think

880
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: at this point I've talked to enough people who know

881
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: what they would be talking about, who think that they

882
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: will be ready for the season. The problem is how

883
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: much work will they have had to get in by

884
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: the time that arrives. Like, you know, is DeMarcus Lawrence

885
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: going to hit the practice field real deal for the

886
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: first time on the Wednesday before the Giants game, or

887
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: is he gonna get ten days in August to get

888
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: his feet back underneath them? Matter practices first, d Law

889
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: or Zeke oh Um, good question? Damn uh, d Law.

890
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: I think I think I think that is that that's

891
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: that's I think. I question. I think it was. I

892
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: think d Law is gonna start practicing when we're back

893
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: in Texas between the final two preseason games or you know,

894
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: around that time, like the you know, the part of

895
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: camp where everybody's like enough of this, we're done, you know,

896
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: let's yeah. Uh, I don't know. I don't feel as

897
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: confident about Byron. Uh it's a hip. He's recovering from

898
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: hip surgery. That's like everything when you play the cornerback position. Uh,

899
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: So I wonder about that. So I think they'll both

900
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: be ready for the season. I just wonder how much

901
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: work they will get. And that is concerning because that's important.

902
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: Even if you're an all pro, that's important. You can't

903
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: rush it. Then comes another injury, the true which I

904
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: think they're being smart about that for the record. You know,

905
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, Zeke, you feel these different

906
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: levels of alarm or interest because like he could be here,

907
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: but he's not. You know, like they're just they're not

908
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: ready and there's no sense in rushing them back. I

909
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: think they're being smart about it. If they can get

910
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: some reps in August, that's fantastic. But if they're ready

911
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: for the season, they're all pro players. Hopefully they can

912
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: figure it out as they go. It's not ideal, but

913
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: it is what it is, So I don't I don't

914
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: feel concerned. I'm just kind of like, well, I mean,

915
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: that's that's what it is. The schedule makers helped them

916
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: out because if there's two positions that the Giants have

917
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: been talked about a lot, is that their offensive line

918
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: has not been that good. And I don't know who's

919
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: playing receiver. They have a lot of products right now.

920
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: A wide receivers, I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

921
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: If Golden Tay doesn't win his appeal, yeah, I don't

922
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: know what the top three wide receiver presumably the top

923
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: three wide receivers will all be out against the Cowboys,

924
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: or one could be back, but it would be is

925
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: he would be just after having no training camp. Anthony

926
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: Brown starting dish doesn't seem such a bad idea, you know,

927
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if that happens, then who knows, you know,

928
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: they'll have somebody that emerges. But but I'm just saying

929
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: and then the offensive line that they've had some some

930
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: missues there. But I think I don't know. I just

931
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: feel like, and I've always said this for years, when

932
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: you start skateboarding, you know you're getting close to on

933
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: your way back. And so said years for years, we

934
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: always say when you skateboard around through training camps, like

935
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: being on the courts. When you get on the courts,

936
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: you're new, it's the new thing. So when you skateboard,

937
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: you're you're a couple of steps from being back. Byron

938
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: Jones was doing that. I think he's I think this,

939
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: like you said, just being you know, cautious about it.

940
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: No sense here you think, Byron practice is here. I

941
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: do not law. I think I feel like you will

942
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: practice a little bit work into practice. Okay, So all

943
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: that being said, I talked a little bit earlier about

944
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and how he says, when guys are out

945
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: of creates opportunities. Let's start at the defensive end position.

946
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: What guys get the best opportunity With DeMarcus not being

947
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: out here during camps. Don't forget about Tyron Crawford either.

948
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: He's on up as well. So your longest Tyrone's probably

949
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: not a starter at this point because Robert Quinn is here,

950
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: but your longest tenured end, one of the you know

951
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: spark plus because of your defensive line. This is this

952
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: is a golden opportunity for Taco Charlton to do something

953
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: out dude carry hid or two. But not only that,

954
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: maybe last chance like this, maybe Taco's chance to actually

955
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: do something where he ends up staying on this team,

956
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Like he's got to show him something. I think you

957
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: are in. You are in the territory now where that

958
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: is a post that is a feasible conversation where you're like,

959
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: if this guy is really not giving us anything, what's

960
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: the point? Just the fact that you feel like as

961
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: a Cowboys organization, you had to go out and sign

962
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: a guy like Robert Quinn. We have a first round

963
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: pick entering when he should be Henry embarrassing as a

964
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: little but calent acquisitions three twenty three, sixty five, twenty four.

965
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, like, what is he into his third th year?

966
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: You would expect that a pass rusher by entering his

967
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: third year should be showing you enough where you don't

968
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: have to go out of spin. That absolutely Quin ended

969
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: back they did is the biggest indictment. It's you know,

970
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: actually a bit of a tangent. I'm sorry, but the

971
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals cut Robert Candici yesterday. They're first round history

972
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: is atrocious, like going back to like twenty twelve, they

973
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: have not hit on anybody, like their best pick in

974
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: the first round. He could take out first round no,

975
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: because they found you know, they found Tyron Matthew, they

976
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: found I'm just saying, oh no, yeah, I'm in their

977
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: draft history. But their first round history sucks out loud.

978
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: There's no nice way to say it out loud. Which

979
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: but then you look at the Cowboys and it's like

980
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: it's so good, and that makes Tacco look even worse

981
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: because there's an All Pro on that. I mean, Layton

982
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: was an All Pro as a rookie. Zeke is the

983
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: best running back in the league, Byron made All Pro

984
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: last year, DeMarcus got paid one hundred million dollars, Zach

985
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: Martin and on and on and on and Tyron, yeah

986
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: it is. And here you are. They've even got a

987
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: point now with their second round as a becoming net right,

988
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, and here you are now saying, damn Tacco.

989
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: If you this is your opportunity to get some stops.

990
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: You can do it. It's not great, but so I

991
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: mean he was He's the first He's the first string

992
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: left end right now without Tyrone and Demark. Guess so

993
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: big for him. Carry hiders. Another guy Nick mentioned him

994
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: um Dorian's armstrong, very very excited to see if he

995
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: can make that patented year or two jump to draft

996
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: picks too. Joe Jackson and Jalen Jelks. Both those guys

997
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know they're gonna factor into this

998
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: mix as well. I don't forget Randy Gregory could show

999
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: up in a moment, right That's Jalen Jelks is my

1000
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: guy that I believe is going to do something. You

1001
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: have you've been on him, I don't know. It's which

1002
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: is interesting because most people, most people ride off the

1003
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: guy that's wearing Bob Lilly's number. They're like, oh, if

1004
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: you gave him seventy four, he doesn't have a future

1005
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: I or you just right off the fact he's gonna

1006
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: be wearing that. Well, sure, I know change, I don't know.

1007
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: And we've been burned by the guys that look you

1008
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: know that look the part. There's a lot of really

1009
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: good guys out there that get cut. Joe Jackson looks

1010
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: the fricking party he I mean, so there's gonna be

1011
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: some competition there. Definitely talk about the cornerback position real

1012
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: quick before we before we leave Jordan, Lewis, Donovan Olumba,

1013
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: what kind of what cornerbacks could possibly pop up here

1014
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: and get some opportunities. Obviously, Anthony Brown is still gonna

1015
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: be of the mix as a you know, starter caliber guy, Mike,

1016
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: but who who really gets a get some opportunities here

1017
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: to kind of impress Mike Jackson's a great answer. But

1018
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the opportunity to cheerlead for Jordan because

1019
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: the longer Buyron sits, the more Jordan is a starter.

1020
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: And that's awesome for me. I mean, I love the guy.

1021
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. We've beating it into

1022
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: the ground. I think it's unfortunate, you know, they change

1023
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: schemes right after he got drafted, But this is an

1024
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: opportunity for him to prove his merit and if he

1025
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: does well, he could either find a bigger role for

1026
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: himself or you know, I don't want him to get traded,

1027
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: but maybe you know, you could use him as you

1028
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: know that type of you know, business of the NFL,

1029
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: all that good type of stuff. Yeah, maybe he could

1030
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: improve his standing in the league with a good showing

1031
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: at training camp one way or the other. Christopher Shard

1032
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: loves a big, long cornerbacks. That's his second favorite thing

1033
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: about a cornerback. This first one. It's gotta be that

1034
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: he likes corners that make plays. That's what all defensive

1035
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: coaches want. Yeah, so do that offset the second part

1036
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: by going out there and making play and for some reason,

1037
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: the ball finds him a lot fun recoveries things like

1038
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: you you know, he just needs to clean up his

1039
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: game just a little more and he can be so

1040
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: good like we've seen him. He has the talent. He

1041
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: just needs to take advantage of those opportunities, clean up

1042
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: his game, and then he'll be in everybody's eyeball. Keep

1043
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: him on defense, you know, please don't do that. It's

1044
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: you see it all the time where coaches have a

1045
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: kind of a prototype of what they want up for

1046
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: particular players as far as size and and and length

1047
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But I saw it

1048
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: with Parcels when he came in and his linebackers and

1049
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: we got here. He actually had two linebackers with that

1050
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: with the exact opposite what he typically one. He had

1051
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: Dexter Cokeley at dat Win and by the end of

1052
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: that first year, I remember him saying those guys are

1053
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: in my respect, and I think it's the same thing here.

1054
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: There's an opportunity for Jordan to earn the respect of

1055
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: Chris Rashard from the standpoint and saying he may not

1056
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: be my prototypical guy, but he earned the right to

1057
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: be able to be among my starting or playing cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: because of how point he can play. Having said all

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Speaker 1: of that, Mike Jackson is right. That dude can tie

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Speaker 1: do a group hug over here. He is. He's running

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Speaker 1: Day three rookie, Day three pick, as a rookie second string.

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Speaker 1: He's got all the measurables. So if he lives up

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Speaker 1: to what Richard saw on him, and I have heard

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Speaker 1: that he was a Chris Richard special. He loved him,

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Speaker 1: that'll be exciting. All right. We appreciate you guys joining us.

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Speaker 1: We will be back um tomorrow at our normal time

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Speaker 1: for the training camp. We'll be at ten am Pacific time,

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Speaker 1: us out. Then we'll give you, guys, our latest and

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Speaker 1: what we think of what's happening out here in training

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Speaker 1: camp in Oxtard, California. Until then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman,

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